Pod Insights The Big Picture The Paul Thomas Anderson Movie Character Draft About this episode For the first time ever, Sean, Amanda, and Chris are doing a movie character draft! Today, they draft their favorite characters from Paul Thomas Anderson’s filmography. But before diving in, they react to a handful of news headlines, including the speculation that David Ellison and Paramount plan on making a strong bid to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery, new information regarding key details about Aaron Sorkin’s ‘The Social Network II’, and the recent awards buzz surrounding Sydney Sweeney’s performance in the upcoming boxing film ‘Christy’ (1:38). Then, they talk through their personal relationships to Anderson’s work (25:15), introduce the new categories (41:19), and finally draft their characters (49:27).
Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins
Guest: Chris Ryan
Producer: Jack Sanders
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2:27 Sean Fennessey? I'm Sean Fennessey.
2:28 Amanda Dobbins? I'm Amanda Dobbins.
2:29 Sean Fennessey? And this is the Big Picture Conversation Show about Paul Thomas Anderson. CR is here, it must mean we're drafting. Chris, welcome back to the Big Picture.
2:37 Speaker 05 Thank you guys for having me. It's been too long.
2:38 Sean Fennessey? Has it been, has it been two months?
2:41 Speaker 05 It's been most of the summer, yeah.
2:42 Sean Fennessey? Two months.
2:43 Amanda Dobbins? I guess so, since Chicago.
2:44 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, since we were in Chicago, which is remarkable. Welcome back. Um, we are gonna draft, very special, Paul Thomas Anderson movie characters today.
2:54 Speaker 05 The well-adjusted All-Stars.
2:56 Sean Fennessey? Yes, a lot of normal men and women for whom everything is going fine. Uh, I'm very excited to do that, but a lot of news has struck today.
3:06 Amanda Dobbins? Right. Some, some more consequential than others.
3:09 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
3:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:10 Sean Fennessey? One very large piece of news that we should discuss, and we don't have a lot of details around this piece of news, but it is really, really relevant to what we do on this show on a daily basis and what you do on The Watch as well.
3:20 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
3:21 Sean Fennessey? Which is that it has been reported by The Wall Street Journal that Paramount, Skydance, is making a majority cash offer to buy Warner Brothers. Not Warner Brothers Movie Studio, not the networks, the whole kit and caboodle.
3:35 Speaker 05 Yes.
3:35 Sean Fennessey? Warner Brothers is about to break off into two companies, this sort of, uh, discovery, uh, section of the company is spinning off, and then the, the other assets, the assets that interest us most prominently. And of course, Skydance just closed the deal to buy Paramount, which is one of the most legendary movie studios. Warner Brothers also one of the most legendary movie studios. Um, first reactions to this news, Amanda, what do you make of this potential acquisition?
4:03 Amanda Dobbins? I think the first thing I said to you was, oh, that happened because it has been rumored for a while, or there, like, there were indications, and especially if you listen to The Town with Matt Bellamy. Tea leaves suggest that people are maneuvering, and so this was the, we got some of the deal points, I guess, on this one. Um.
4:23 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, sure, I guess Hollywood seems fucked like the rest of the world. So, you know, I don't, David Ellison owns Paramount at this point, I think, but all I really know about his tenure is that he's trying to hire Barry Weiss. So have some questions about CNN. Otherwise, like, we all, all we have is Skydance to go on, which, um, you know, I like the Mission Impossible movies. But, uh, it's, it's a lot of Hollywood history, all under one roof that we don't know much about.
4:55 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm. Chris?
4:57 Speaker 05 Uh, it would, it would seem to me that if this goes through, we just arrive back to where we were 20 years ago, where there's a big three, and that we have Netflix, Amazon, and Paramount Warner Brothers with Apple being like, yeah, we like to make shows to put on our phones and stuff.
5:13 Sean Fennessey? Do you think that that diminishes Disney's standing in the?
5:16 Speaker 05 Oh, right. So, big four. Sorry. Yeah. So Disney, Disney still has its, its, its, you know, network arm.
5:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. This is a man who has not seen Lilo and Stitch, clearly.
5:25 Speaker 05 No, I have not. I mostly go to the Disney app for Alien Earth at this point. But I saw the first news story that I thought you were referring to, I guess I thought this morning was, I mean, among others, was that I saw that Larry Ellison had added $100 billion of, uh, personal wealth, uh, over because of Oracle's stock performance.
5:45 Sean Fennessey? The stock is surging for Oracle.
5:47 Speaker 05 While Skydance's acquisition of Paramount was marched by a lot of like, can David pull this money together? I do not think that that seems like to be truly an issue. Like, it was more like, what's Paramount actually worth? If it was just, if they are going in with an all cash offer, it seems that he does have the cash. And, uh, it also seems like this, this administration will probably waive that through, given their attitude towards mergers, I would say.
6:17 Sean Fennessey? At least mergers from the right.
6:19 Speaker 05 Yes.
6:19 Sean Fennessey? Ownership groups. I, you know, It's impossible to know what the intentions of the new potential owners of a movie studio are going to do. There are some things that we do know about Paramount. For example, we know that they have made a lot of noise about preserving the theatrical experience and hiring the Duffer Brothers to move over to Paramount so that they can make theatrical movies away from Netflix. As far as I know amongst people I know who work here, there's a lot of optimism about what Paramount is attempting to do, which is to, you know, they bought a James Mangold, Timothy Chalamet heist movie. And that was one of the very first things that was announced that they did. They signed an overhaul with Will Smith to make theatrical movies. Like, there's clearly something, at least in terms of what we do here on the show,
7:05 Sean Fennessey? that is trending in a positive direction. Warner Brothers has been this awkward media conglomerate for about 25 years, right? The Time merger famously, like Time AOL, kind of a disaster, right? The Verizon era of ownership for the company was...
7:26 Amanda Dobbins? Was it Verizon or AT&T?
7:28 Sean Fennessey? The AT&T era of ownership was problematic at best. Yeah, the John Malone and that's where Zazzola comes in, right? Yes. Now, the Discovery Group owning the company has been, up until about nine months ago, I would say, defined by inconsistency and a lot of show, a lot of tell and not show. And now, at least on the movie side...
7:50 Amanda Dobbins? You're being so diplomatic.
7:52 Sean Fennessey? Well, I'm trying to, I don't really know.
7:55 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, they're on...
7:55 Sean Fennessey? Consolidation is very dicey in Hollywood, but it is also the story of Hollywood.
7:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
7:59 Sean Fennessey? Like, historically, a movie studio starts and then another person realizes that if they bring their skills to one group and another group and they come together, they can be more powerful. Yeah. And that sometimes creates good outcomes, but it also sometimes squeezes people out of jobs. If you work at Warner Brothers and your parent company also owns Paramount, will they keep them separate or will there be duplication?
8:21 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
8:21 Sean Fennessey? Will the tastes of the two studios, whatever the emerging taste of Paramount is versus... If you look at what Mike DeLuca and Pam Abdi are doing at Warner Brothers right now, it is fucking working. I mean, it is working more than any studio chiefs have done in 10 years.
8:34 Speaker 05 They have four people writing movies at Paramount.
8:35 Sean Fennessey? Right, right.
8:36 Speaker 05 You know, they have Jeff Shell and they have all these people who are working on that stuff. And then, so you have to ask yourself, is that a purchase for certain assets and then a fire sale for others? You know, so like, do they buy it and then they say, but we're going to spin HBO off or we're going to spin off X, Y, or Z? I don't know.
8:51 Sean Fennessey? It's certainly possible, obviously, and it majorly affects the world of TV because of CNN, because of HBO, because of a handful of other networks that are there. HBO is one of the only things that in the tumult of the last 20 years of Warner's ownership, it's been doing just great.
9:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:04 Sean Fennessey? You know, I mean, you know, they've had ups and downs, I guess, but it still basically has that platinum reputation for quality programming. You're in the midst of a task recap.
9:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:13 Sean Fennessey? I'm in the midst of a, I promise I'm going to watch Task One Day conversation. Um, maybe this week. I hope I will. I'm, I am like a little bit nervous about this.
9:24 Amanda Dobbins? It, it doesn't, it doesn't feel great. I would agree. And, but I mean, you're right that the history of Hollywood is these studios being mushed together or traded or being owned by like Gulf and Western and other, so we have, we have seen this before.
9:41 Amanda Dobbins? But I, I mean, again, the world doesn't feel good right now. It is like a pretty shaky time in the industry. If you are living here in Los Angeles and trying to work, um, and it, I think you're right to read that, like, no matter what, it probably means layoffs, it probably means just, it's more uncertainty.
9:59 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
9:59 Amanda Dobbins? So, and it, I mean, it doesn't seem like we're getting another boom as a result of it, right? It doesn't seem like they're just going to start greenlighting even more stuff. Uh, and even more people will get jobs. So that's, that's alarming.
10:14 Sean Fennessey? It's funny because, you know, Amazon obviously acquired MGM, which at the time of that acquisition was a very, had an incredible library, but was a relatively small movie studio. Disney absorbed Fox before that and Fox was a massive studio with an incredible history, but it really just kind of very quickly got subsumed by
10:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
10:36 Sean Fennessey? by the Mouse House, right?
10:37 Speaker 05 Yeah.
10:37 Sean Fennessey? That they kind of just absorbed the IP, what was valuable and then kind of more or less dispensed with
10:42 Speaker 05 Alien, etc.
10:43 Sean Fennessey? Yes, using some of that, that library, that catalog to make more stuff. In this case, I don't, we don't know what Paramount's got ends is. Like, we don't even really know what they're gonna do. And so the idea of them potentially absorbing, you know, the home of Stanley Kubrick and Clint Eastwood and for many years, Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve and all of these filmmakers.
11:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:05 Sean Fennessey? And now maybe more Ryan Coogler movies and so on and so forth.
11:11 Sean Fennessey? It's interesting and we will continue to cover.
11:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:13 Sean Fennessey? I'm sure Matt will be all over this on the town this week.
11:14 Speaker 05 The consolidation thing is, is this, uh, cause I even as I said, oh, there's gonna be a big three, but there's also Comcast Universal. So there's a big four, there's a big five, but does consolidation end there? You know, does a tech company turn around and say, well, we'll buy one of the last legacy studios or, you know?
11:32 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
11:32 Speaker 05 Does it, does it become harder and harder to compete if you're running a, um, a studio like Sony that doesn't have a streaming arm per se, you know, and is probably gonna go through a leadership change at some point soon? Like it's, there's gonna be a lot of tumult in the industry, I think.
11:48 Amanda Dobbins? Also, you didn't say Netflix.
11:50 Speaker 05 And I didn't say Netflix, I guess.
11:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
11:52 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:52 Amanda Dobbins? So, which is a different thing, but also.
11:54 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. The one last kind of like open piece out there is Lions Gate, which has been rumored to be on the block for like a decade. And another studio that has actually quite a good library of films, but, you know, has had kind of a tough couple of years in terms of the box office. So, but everything else, you're right, is kind of like super powering up, you know? Amazon is doing movies in theaters next year. Apple, off the success of F1, I think will try to do events like this. Netflix doesn't seem to be changing their tune, but maybe they are. That's something we don't really know.
12:26 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
12:26 Sean Fennessey? And K-pop demon hunter sing-along style, you know?
12:29 Amanda Dobbins? They put it in theaters.
12:30 Sean Fennessey? Something that happened while we were on break.
12:33 Speaker 05 What studio made The Beekeeper?
12:35 Sean Fennessey? I believe that was Amazon MGM.
12:38 Speaker 05 Okay.
12:38 Sean Fennessey? I believe.
12:39 Speaker 05 That's who I'm betting on.
12:40 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
12:41 Sean Fennessey? Uh, cool.
12:42 Speaker 05 They just seem to have their finger on the.
12:43 Sean Fennessey? Was it?
12:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it was Amazon MGM.
12:45 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
12:46 Amanda Dobbins? I just.
12:46 Sean Fennessey? Follow David Ayer into the fire.
12:49 Amanda Dobbins? Just pull up a list of Skydance films, uh, Skydance that is.
12:52 Sean Fennessey? Well, it's not the best history.
12:53 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I mean, it's, but it's, it's specific.
12:55 Sean Fennessey? It sure is.
12:56 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, yeah.
12:57 Sean Fennessey? Is there a man with a heavy artillery in his hand?
12:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
12:59 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
12:59 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I won't read them all, but as Skydance, as opposed to Skydance Productions, we start with Star Trek Beyond, Jack Reacher, Never Go Back, Baywatch, Annihilation for you.
13:10 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
13:10 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, and you.
13:11 Sean Fennessey? Nice.
13:11 Amanda Dobbins? Mission Impossible Fallout, Gemini Man Didn't Work, Six Underground for both of you. A Terminator movie also that.
13:18 Speaker 05 Sounds like they just make classics.
13:19 Amanda Dobbins? The Old Guard, Tomorrow War, The Adam Project, Top Gun Maverick. I have to be honest, I'm really grateful for that. Thank you, David Ellison.
13:27 Speaker 05 I also kind of like.
13:28 Amanda Dobbins? That and that only.
13:29 Speaker 05 Yeah.
13:29 Amanda Dobbins? Luck, Air, some more Transformers, Spy Kids Armageddon, The Gorge, Fountain of Youth.
13:37 Sean Fennessey? You love The Gorge.
13:39 Speaker 05 Huge movie right now.
13:40 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
13:40 Amanda Dobbins? Which we watched for five minutes on our, uh, computer right here before.
13:44 Sean Fennessey? Guy and gal with a gun, very movie star forward. Their formula is pretty straight, it's like straight down the middle. Now, that's fine when you're running a big production company that finances studio movies. And that's what they do. They finance streamers, they finance theatrical releases for Paramount.
14:00 Amanda Dobbins? Ghosted, remember that?
14:01 Sean Fennessey? Oh, yeah. Terrible movie.
14:02 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
14:02 Sean Fennessey? Um, the, the trick will be can they make any other kind of movie? Movies for kids, movies for women, movies for old people, movies for, you know, like they're only making movies for Chris. And so you're gonna have to figure out something else.
14:16 Speaker 05 It's not true. There's a lot of different kinds of people in the Tomorrow War.
14:19 Sean Fennessey? That's, it's a diverse cast. That's very, very true. Uh, okay. Well, that's by far the biggest news of the day.
14:24 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Good luck, everyone.
14:25 Sean Fennessey? Good luck to, uh. Warner Brothers finally doing something really good for movies and everyone being excited about it and then immediately getting bought is a little like, god damn it, what are we, what are we doing this for? But maybe it'll turn out great.
14:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, Amanda's right. We just have to remember that like, it was Paramount at Gulf Western Company, you know, like this stuff is...
14:46 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, totally, totally.
14:47 Amanda Dobbins? The one thing I...
14:48 Sean Fennessey? Didn't Coca-Cola own Columbia at a certain point? I mean, that's, that's movies, that's a movie business.
14:52 Amanda Dobbins? I'm concerned about the lots and the real estate here.
14:55 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
14:56 Amanda Dobbins? Because these are two prime locations, prime old school lots.
15:01 Sean Fennessey? Yep. Love both of them, actually.
15:03 Amanda Dobbins? I love both of them.
15:04 Sean Fennessey? They're really fun. That's a fun part about being in this world is getting to visit the lots and see movies.
15:09 Amanda Dobbins? And, but I'm just, I'm very nervous about them, we can't, we can't change them because they're real estate ventures.
15:18 Sean Fennessey? I will buy the Warner Brothers lot.
15:19 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, but I would take Paramount, you know?
15:21 Speaker 05 Wasn't there a report that like, though, that like, they were gonna make the Paramount lot, like the CBS headquarters as well?
15:26 Amanda Dobbins? Right, and like also an apartment builder or something? I don't know.
15:29 Sean Fennessey? We don't know. We shall see.
15:30 Amanda Dobbins? It's my fave.
15:32 Sean Fennessey? Lesser, lesser news in the world of entertainment, but not necessarily to this world here of the big picture, is The Social Network 2.
15:40 Speaker 05 We're just calling it that. That is what it's called.
15:43 Sean Fennessey? The Social Networker. The Social...
15:46 Speaker 05 Social Beekeeper.
15:47 Sean Fennessey? The Socialer Network. The Social, what's a good title? Too Social to Network?
15:52 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
15:53 Sean Fennessey? Too Social to Network.
15:54 Amanda Dobbins? There we go. That's me.
15:56 Sean Fennessey? That is you. That movie's happening, apparently.
15:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
15:58 Sean Fennessey? It is apparently gonna begin shooting in one month, and the film is cast.
16:03 Speaker 05 We're gonna be on the East Coast in October. Field trip?
16:07 Sean Fennessey? To the set?
16:07 Amanda Dobbins? Do you think it's being filmed there?
16:09 Sean Fennessey? There's a large picture of Amanda outside of that set that says, "Do not allow this woman within 100 yards of this shooting set."
16:15 Amanda Dobbins? I just wanna help. You know? I think, I think this can be a group project. Me, Aaron, David Fincher.
16:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
16:22 Amanda Dobbins? Other people who know how to shoot movies. Just a thought.
16:26 Sean Fennessey? Aaron Sorkin is the writer and director of this movie, which he is making for Sony. It stars Jeremy Strong, Mikey Madison, and Jeremy Allen White. Apparently that is confirmed. Um, Mikey Madison will be playing Francis Haugen, the former Facebook product manager turned whistleblower who exposed the Facebook files. That, you know, I think that is a good area of focus for this story.
16:46 Speaker 05 Yes.
16:46 Sean Fennessey? That actually gives me some relief around the attempt to make this a Jan 6 movie.
16:51 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
16:52 Sean Fennessey? I'm sure that that will be a component in the story, but making it process oriented, making it specific.
16:57 Amanda Dobbins? I had totally blocked that out until just now.
16:58 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, not ideal.
16:59 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
17:00 Sean Fennessey? Jeremy Allen White will portray Jeff Horowitz, the author of the Wall Street Journal piece around these revelations.
17:05 Amanda Dobbins? That's what all, uh, finance reporters look like. And then Jeremy.
17:10 Sean Fennessey? Journal, journal, well, you know, I know, I know a few.
17:13 Amanda Dobbins? We're all on camera now.
17:14 Sean Fennessey? I mean, you know, Amina Kimes, our friend, was once a finance reporter.
17:18 Amanda Dobbins? She's brought businesses, yeah, to their knees. Yeah.
17:21 Sean Fennessey? She doesn't look like Jeremy Allen White.
17:22 Speaker 05 Who's Jeremy Allen White playing?
17:24 Sean Fennessey? He's playing this, this, this author.
17:26 Amanda Dobbins? Jeremy Strong is Mark Zuckerberg.
17:27 Sean Fennessey? Jeremy Strong is Mark Zuckerberg.
17:28 Speaker 05 Gotcha. Okay.
17:29 Amanda Dobbins? Fine. I'm concerned about that. I'm, I, I have concerns.
17:32 Sean Fennessey? Do you think he's gonna bulk up Jeremy Strong?
17:35 Amanda Dobbins? Well.
17:36 Sean Fennessey? With like Zuckerberg in his MMA era?
17:38 Amanda Dobbins? What is this? This is like 2015, 16?
17:44 Speaker 05 Was in, wouldn't it be 20? It would be.
17:46 Amanda Dobbins? But didn't, didn't Zuckerberg get swole after that? Wasn't it like a pandemic macroboy thing?
17:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:52 Amanda Dobbins? And then he re, um.
17:53 Sean Fennessey? The Facebook files piece was published in 2021. I don't have in front of me.
17:58 Amanda Dobbins? When did Mark Zuckerberg get swole?
18:01 Speaker 05 Did you see Mark Zuckerberg at Oasis?
18:04 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, Mark Zuckerberg fitness timeline from Business Insider. Guess they're doing the work.
18:09 Sean Fennessey? It's very, very useful.
18:11 Amanda Dobbins? I guess this happened, okay, so the, the sunscreen photo was also 2021.
18:18 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
18:18 Amanda Dobbins? So the makeover was after that. And then, so 2023 is when he's competing in jujitsu tournaments. We live, we live truly in hell.
18:27 Speaker 05 And he was at Oasis. You, but you didn't bump into him.
18:29 Amanda Dobbins? He was there?
18:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:30 Amanda Dobbins? I heard Leo was there too. I, no, I.
18:32 Speaker 05 He left early. That was big. Like Leo, Leo dipped with like 15 people and got into a party bus and left.
18:39 Sean Fennessey? Do you think he also checked his email during Noel's set, like Amanda?
18:45 Amanda Dobbins? One, Talk Tonight would have been fine.
18:47 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
18:48 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
18:48 Sean Fennessey? Cool.
18:49 Amanda Dobbins? It kept going.
18:51 Sean Fennessey? I am a little nervous about this movie. I'm on the record about that.
18:54 Amanda Dobbins? Of course.
18:55 Sean Fennessey? I'm kind of glad that movies like this are getting made. That's something, I guess it's a sequel, but not really. I mean, it's a, it's a docudrama.
19:01 Speaker 05 What studio is making this?
19:02 Sean Fennessey? It's, I think it's Sony, which made the original, the first film. You have some doubts?
19:06 Speaker 05 I was just wondering if it would pass the Ellison family's small test at this point.
19:10 Sean Fennessey? Oh, it's a very good point. Obviously Sony is a bit inoculated to some of those concerns, given their ownership. But they're also making four Beatles films.
19:18 Speaker 05 Yes.
19:19 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
19:19 Sean Fennessey? Directed by Stan Mendes? Yeah.
19:21 Amanda Dobbins? Who's we have to hang on to 2028?
19:23 Sean Fennessey? Who, hang on where?
19:25 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know.
19:25 Sean Fennessey? Hang on to what?
19:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, we should do, like, what are the things we're hanging on for? You know?
19:31 Sean Fennessey? Oh, that's a good draft.
19:31 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:32 Sean Fennessey? Like, the next three years draft?
19:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
19:34 Speaker 05 Like, I want to see Tim Chalamet become Worm King of Arrakis.
19:39 Amanda Dobbins? Right, right, right, right.
19:40 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, right.
19:40 Amanda Dobbins? Spoilers.
19:41 Sean Fennessey? And then when the final thing happens, we all jump off the Golden Gate Bridge together, arm in arm. But we're wearing parachutes.
19:50 Speaker 05 Yeah. And it turns out we are in Avatar 5, and we have become...
19:54 Sean Fennessey? So if Avatar, did you, did I tell you that we have confirmed that we will be doing an Avatar: The Way of Water watch along for this show?
20:01 Speaker 05 No, you don't tell me enough things. Yeah.
20:03 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. So December 1st.
20:06 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's when it is?
20:06 Sean Fennessey? Me and you and Amanda, we will go to the theater here at the Spotify HQ.
20:10 Speaker 05 Uh huh.
20:11 Sean Fennessey? And we will watch the film Avatar: The Way of Water.
20:13 Speaker 05 That's the second one.
20:14 Sean Fennessey? That's the second one. Now, you have a choice.
20:16 Speaker 05 Okay.
20:16 Sean Fennessey? You can watch the first movie if you want.
20:18 Amanda Dobbins? Do it. Don't.
20:19 Sean Fennessey? Or you can just sit down and experience the story of Avatar.
20:24 Amanda Dobbins? Or, third option.
20:27 Amanda Dobbins? I don't want to spoil things for people, but Sean and I had a delightful film-going experience last night, which did start with a previously on, starring two characters from the, or two actors from the film. So Jack Sanders could perform previously on Avatar, the original, for you.
20:44 Speaker 05 What about option three? I come to this theater and wear an Apple Vision Pro and watch Sicario: Day of the Soldado while you guys watch Avatar. And then I comment on Sicario: Day of the Soldado.
21:01 Speaker 05 Two great sequels.
21:02 Sean Fennessey? You know, they have something in common, is what I'll say.
21:05 Speaker 05 Oh, okay.
21:06 Sean Fennessey? Narratively, they do.
21:07 Amanda Dobbins? Do they?
21:08 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, in terms of protecting the young children of refugees.
21:11 Speaker 05 Sure.
21:12 Sean Fennessey? That is a huge theme of both films.
21:14 Amanda Dobbins? I don't remember either film, it turns out.
21:16 Sean Fennessey? Did you see Day of the Soldado?
21:17 Amanda Dobbins? Maybe not, now that we're talking about it.
21:19 Sean Fennessey? Definitely a Chris and Sean episode, I can assure you.
21:21 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, that I know, but like, did I follow?
21:22 Speaker 05 Interview Stefano Salima.
21:24 Sean Fennessey? It was a rare case where Chris asked me if he could sit in on the conversation with Stefano Salima, the director of Sicario 2.
21:31 Speaker 05 What's wrong with me?
21:32 Sean Fennessey? Chris, I think that's the old, no, I guess we did, once we did Jake Johnson and Joe Swanberg together in the early days. I don't, I can't think of another time when you sat in on an interview on this show.
21:43 Speaker 05 It must be like crazy making for you because I'm just like, hey Stefano, so how did you get the echoes of automatic weapon fire?
21:51 Sean Fennessey? I'm happy that you were there. It was a fun pod.
21:55 Sean Fennessey? Okay, last thing, this is very small by comparison, but there's a new movie called Christie.
21:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:59 Sean Fennessey? Starring Sydney Sweeney about the female boxer, Christie Martin, that just premiered at TIFF that got very seemingly loud raves for her performance in the immediate aftermath of the premiere. And then the reviews of the movie hit and they were a little bit more middling, but the feedback for the movie has been mostly positive for Sydney Sweeney. Trailer hit today. It's kind of a crowded best actress race this year.
22:26 Sean Fennessey? Sydney Sweeney nominated for an Academy Award, setting aside the sort of subjective taste about the movie. That's very good for the Oscars. That would be very good for the Oscars, for someone like this to be vaulted into that level of respect. I've asked you both to watch the trailer. What did you make of it?
22:41 Speaker 05 It's quite long. I think most of the movie is in the trailer. I wonder whether or not the trailer sells a movie that it is not. So it seems to be a very uplifting story of overcoming adversity. I don't know Christie Martin's actual biography, but I feel like now with fight movies, they
22:57 Sean Fennessey? She's the VP of Finance at Skydance.
22:59 Speaker 05 They, no matter what the movie, if it's a fight movie, they show it like it's Creed. Like they present it as if it's like.
23:06 Sean Fennessey? This is something that's going on with the Smashing Machine right now. That's what I was thinking. People are seeing the Smashing Machine marketing materials and I will say that they're not entirely accurate to what the movie is.
23:14 Speaker 05 Right.
23:16 Sean Fennessey? I don't know. I mean, Sydney Sweeney was really good in reality. Like, I think she is got. I think she has dramatic chops. I've said this before. On the Anyone But You pod, I was like. Super. In the middle distance. Yeah, totally. Just checked out. She was like that with two guys. Can we get like the slow Altman zoom on Amanda's face while Chris and I talk about Sydney Sweeney's acting chops?
23:39 Amanda Dobbins? Can I tell you actually what I was?
23:40 Sean Fennessey? I think she's actually a serious woman with grace and, and, and fine taste. Yeah.
23:47 Amanda Dobbins? Can I tell you what I was?
23:47 Sean Fennessey? You obviously haven't seen her head up, you know?
23:51 Amanda Dobbins? What I was actually doing while you guys were talking about this was I was thinking through like every single, like PR fiasco that Sydney Sweeney has stepped into in the last three to six months. Like, obviously, the, you know, MAGA birthday party or whatever, but then being at the Bezos Sanchez wedding, the American Eagle stuff.
24:12 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
24:12 Amanda Dobbins? The, she's dating.
24:13 Sean Fennessey? You thought that was a good campaign.
24:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, you liked that. And you also liked the original Brooke Shields. Um, the, she's dating Scooter Braun. Don't know if you guys know that.
24:22 Sean Fennessey? Heard about this, yeah.
24:23 Amanda Dobbins? So it's, it's a lot. And what, anyway. Um, you know, we watched the trailer. She looks fine. This is a classic Oscars move of the hottest person in the world makes themselves.
24:36 Sean Fennessey? Dressed down.
24:37 Amanda Dobbins? Less conventionally hot. I wish that if we were gonna give Sydney Sweeney an Oscar, it was for being really, really hot in a, and using that well in a movie.
24:50 Sean Fennessey? For Madame Web.
24:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, we don't have, no, she wasn't that, was, you know, she has specific gifts.
24:54 Sean Fennessey? I think she wore glasses in Madame Web. She did. She did. It was, she's all that situation. It was like, look at this dork.
24:58 Amanda Dobbins? I'm not saying like, give it to her for Anyone But You. That was terrible. And, but.
25:02 Sean Fennessey? I just think she's not that, she's not a comic actress, but I think she actually is a skilled dramatic actress. I think in Euphoria, she's doing something that the filmmakers are asking her to do, but she's really good at that thing, that like frantic mania of that character on that show. And I think she's good in reality. There's one other show, there's one other film.
25:18 Amanda Dobbins? It's okay to be hot, especially if you're Sydney Sweeney.
25:21 Sean Fennessey? I couldn't agree more.
25:23 Amanda Dobbins? You guys are agreed on this. So let's, you know, let's use it for good.
25:26 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Yeah. Well, look at you every day. You get out of bed, you put your glasses on, you put a hat on.
25:32 Sean Fennessey? Look at all this. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this movie. Sounds fine. Tiff, we will talk about as much as we can with Adam Nathan on Monday, which will be fun.
25:41 Amanda Dobbins? Let me ask you one more thing.
25:43 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
25:43 Amanda Dobbins? How many more punching people movies can we do?
25:46 Sean Fennessey? Movies where people get punched in the face?
25:47 Speaker 05 It will never end.
25:48 Amanda Dobbins? Well, no, specifically competitive punching.
25:50 Speaker 05 People like fight movies. There are a lot of fight fans.
25:53 Amanda Dobbins? Competitive.
25:54 Sean Fennessey? It's one of the oldest styles of Hollywood movie around.
25:58 Amanda Dobbins? Don't like.
25:59 Sean Fennessey? The Wallace Beery wrestling picture.
26:01 Amanda Dobbins? Don't film history me, you know?
26:02 Sean Fennessey? Well, you're right.
26:02 Speaker 05 I just think that also like we have not even. We haven't even begun to get UFC movies.
26:07 Sean Fennessey? I totally agree with that.
26:08 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, my lord. Okay, all right.
26:10 Sean Fennessey? This is the most popular rising sport.
26:13 Amanda Dobbins? Sounds like two Skydance VPs sitting on either side of me.
26:16 Sean Fennessey? Well, you know, cut the check. You know, I'm, I got ideas. This is, this is a movie about guys punching each other.
26:21 Speaker 05 Apartment right next to the lot. Seems convenient, you know?
26:24 Sean Fennessey? You should be both the executive producer of 60 Minutes and run the film division.
26:28 Speaker 05 No, you know what I, I want to do is buy like, uh, I'll get a condo right where they're trying to like expand the Paramount lot and then I'll be like eminent domain, like I will not move until you make me the editor in chief of 60 Minutes.
26:42 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's not gonna work, I don't think. Okay, Paul Thomas Anderson. So.
26:47 Amanda Dobbins? So it begins, the month of Paul.
26:49 Sean Fennessey? So it begins, the month of Paul. Amanda and I have both had a chance to see one battle after another. Chris, you've not yet seen it. One battle after another will not be eligible for this draft, so we will not be drafting any of the characters. I will say, how many characters, without revealing anything, do you think you would be interested in drafting from that movie?
27:09 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, two, three,
27:14 Amanda Dobbins? four, four at least, like off the top of my head.
27:17 Sean Fennessey? Four was my answer as well. It's a good sign. There's some very memorable characters in that movie, as there are in all of his movies. Let's just talk about our histories with the guy. Chris, what, do you remember the first Paul Thomas Anderson movie that you saw and how you saw it?
27:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, I think by the time that he was really cranking it, it was not Hardy, it was Boogie Nights. And by the time he had kind of hit mainstream, well, somewhat mainstream cultural consciousness, I was like pretty into movies and it was the late 90s and I probably greeted him with like just the like lightest bit of skepticism because I first get introduced to Boogie Nights and I'm like, I really think this is quite great. But it is one of the first times where I was like, I have seen that before. Like, I've seen guys pull some of these moves before. And you're coming right after, like, the really height of Tarantino mania, you know, in the mid 90s. So I think that my relationship with him has, like, been pretty uncomplicated over the years.
28:12 Speaker 05 Like, I don't think he's capable of making a bad movie. Every movie he makes is, like, stands up to almost endless rewatch, rewatches.
28:23 Speaker 05 He's one of the funniest filmmakers, one of the most technically dazzling filmmakers. And I don't have a lot of, like, I don't have any take. There's no zag. He's awesome. He's one of the best, best fucking guys in the world.
28:35 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. He's, um, did you always have that relationship to his movies? No, and I would say, so I was trying to think, it was probably Punch Drug Love was the first that I saw. Because that came out the year that I graduated high school. And then I'm sure that it's- Did you like it? I think so, yeah. Because, again, it's also, that's a good one for me because it has Sandler, but also is a romantic comedy of sorts. And it's, like, and I was at an age where I was like, oh, you can do different things with this. Interesting, you know? So, yeah, I did like it. And then I assume that Boogie Nights happened, you know, in college at some point because of, you know, some boy.
29:19 Amanda Dobbins? And this- Probably a cool guy. Yeah, yeah.
29:23 Speaker 05 See what I call in?
29:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I can't remember- Does he work at Skydance?
29:27 Speaker 05 You showed Amanda Boogie Nights. Please, right?
29:31 Amanda Dobbins? I hear, I hear from far too many people I went to college with, they'll be like, hey, man? Can Bill Simmons send me a cameo? Anyway, um, it's a true story. I don't know when I saw Magnolia, but so, whatever. There Will Be Blood and Inherent Vice was like a very interesting run, right? There Will Be Blood is obviously a masterpiece. Well, the master came in between those two. Oh, that's right. Okay, so that is, but it's same point.
29:58 Amanda Dobbins? Though, not with the exception of Amy Adams, like, not, not a ton of women. And probably like the bro-iest face of the thing and also corresponded with like a very bro culture moment around him. So I think that I
30:15 Sean Fennessey? I don't know what you're referring to.
30:16 Amanda Dobbins? I think that I really, um, like Phantom Thread is when like my heart opened up. You know, and then, and then I think probably I like went back to Magnolia and went to other places and was like, oh, like, I really understand this wavelength. But There Will Be Blood, The Master moment, those are the two phenomenal movies.
30:36 Speaker 05 I think you're down. I think that there is like
30:38 Amanda Dobbins? Left me like a little
30:39 Speaker 05 Something happens when he makes Inherent Vice, Phantom Thread, Lookerish Pizza, there feels like a, kind of like, you know what, let's, let's, let's open up the
30:48 Sean Fennessey? Much sweeter. Those movies are much sweeter. They're much less, they, they have kind of the same, I think, thematic concern. You know, like all of his movies have a very similar kind of thematic concern about like the tenseness of relationships and the way that people fit into society and what their roles are supposed to be. But tho- those three movies are, I think ultimately about love. And The Master and There Will Be Blood are, The Master is about love, but it is about a very
31:14 Amanda Dobbins? Messed up.
31:14 Sean Fennessey? Dark, painful love. And There Will Be Blood is about hate. You know, it's really about division. I think, obviously, I, I, it's very similar to you. I don't think I, I can't remember if I saw Boogie Nights in theaters and I can't even remember what I said on the rewatchables a few years ago and we did it. I know that when I saw it, I was like, I have to watch this a hundred times in a row. And I was not, since I'm a little bit younger than you, I wasn't immediately like, oh, this is Goodfellas or oh, this, I've seen these movies before. I was like, it kind of shattered my mind. It just shattered my mind. I was like, this is the most exciting thing I've ever seen. That and Pulp are the two movies where I was like, and you know, unfortunately, I am
31:55 Sean Fennessey? in some ways an avatar for an entire strain of guy who likes movies, who is an annoying guy. I don't think that that changes anything about how special I think his movies are and how much they have impacted people. And so it's very, it's very cool that we can feel in the atmosphere of moviedom, like, this is kind of happening this year, it seems like.
32:17 Amanda Dobbins? Sure.
32:18 Sean Fennessey? And it's, it's a lot of fun in part because we'll talk about it a lot more when we talk about the movie, but the new movie to me feels like this kind of accumulation of both of these two strands that Amanda's talking about, you know, that it's like, it is the movie that he has been kind of working towards that pulls in all that stuff from 96 through 2012, and then also all that stuff from 2014 through 2023. So I, I rewatched Magnolia a week ago.
32:49 Amanda Dobbins? Mm hmm.
32:50 Sean Fennessey? And I hadn't seen it since we did a rewatchables about it. And on that rewatchables, I was kind of like, this movie is really messy and like, kind of, it's not a mess, but going back to it, I don't feel the same way I did when I was in high school. And then when I watched it last week, I was like, it's one of the best movies ever made.
33:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
33:10 Sean Fennessey? And its ambition is not a bug.
33:13 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
33:13 Sean Fennessey? Uh, it is like, it is the feature and it is like so feeling. And it, it is a lot of what you've seen in the last couple of movies is all in that movie, too.
33:21 Amanda Dobbins? Absolutely. Which is why I think I must have like gone back, I must not have seen it until later in because it doesn't have the, I, rewatching, I rewatched Inherent Vice or parts of it for this because again, lots of characters in there.
33:33 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
33:34 Amanda Dobbins? And also, you know, we're going to be talking about another, at least inspired by Pinchin, PTA film very soon. And I was essentially, I was pissed off again and
33:43 Sean Fennessey? At Inherent Vice.
33:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. And Inherent Vice like famously caused one of the worst fights between me and my now husband that we ever had, but I just really.
33:49 Sean Fennessey? Was it over Reese Witherspoon or what was it about?
33:51 Amanda Dobbins? No, it was about having to watch the Eagles game, straight into this. And I was just like, I would like my Sunday back, you asshole. Uh, but it, it, it feels.
34:02 Sean Fennessey? Do you think if you smoked more weed, you would enjoy Inherent Vice more?
34:05 Amanda Dobbins? Or the Eagles?
34:10 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know, do you think weed would be the drug that, I mean, I understand that weed is like, I understand weed's the drug that
34:16 Sean Fennessey? You know, maybe nine light beers, that would also help.
34:18 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
34:19 Sean Fennessey? I, I don't know.
34:20 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know, I'm not very good on weed.
34:21 Sean Fennessey? I do think that that's a movie that has always been near the bottom for my,
34:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
34:25 Sean Fennessey? my list of, of PTA's movies, but near the bottom is like, so it's four and a half stars and not five.
34:31 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:31 Amanda Dobbins? Um. It's well made, everybody's good in it.
34:33 Sean Fennessey? It's just like, once you give up on trying to understand it, it's just such a great hang.
34:38 Speaker 05 It's like reading a book.
34:39 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
34:39 Speaker 05 You're just like, oh.
34:40 Sean Fennessey? You're just kind of flowing through it.
34:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:41 Sean Fennessey? Um, but I, I hear you, not, we, we all have differing tastes. Do you, is, have you had any kind of rediscoveries or any ones that you have clicked into more in the last 20 years?
34:51 Speaker 05 I haven't had the kind of moment that you had with Magnolia about any particular movie because I think that as he became sort of like up in, up and around the greatest living filmmaker talk, conversation, each movie feels like an event when you go see it. It's kind of like going to see a Tarantino movie. So I remember going to see The Master at Midnight and like stumbling out of the arc light at like 2:30 in the morning.
35:17 Sean Fennessey? Me and you and Papadimas.
35:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, and just like staring at you and staring at Alex and then just being like, I just want to go home and think about my dad for a while. You know, and it's like, it's just an intense experience to go see his films and, but then when you go back and sort of check them out in different contexts and, and outside of that sort of first night mania and tizzy that you're in, oh, there's just so many different emotional shades to them. I think that was the, the reason Phantom Thrive was so successful for a lot of people was that those emotional shades immediately revealed themselves. There were people who were like, oh, this is funny, like, I think it's funny in the moment to watch this film rather than like, oh, what a trenchant, like, analysis of a deeply broken relationship. And then you find out it's funny later, like, so I think that as he's gotten older, he's gotten almost
36:03 Speaker 05 better at dialing in, like, The desired effect of his films. I don't know. But yeah, I don't have like a film that I like disliked and went back and liked. I think The Master is the one that's the hardest to watch for a variety of reasons, but I think it's also among his best movies.
36:21 Amanda Dobbins? Saw The Master at the Ziegfeld Theater in New York with Zach Baron and then had dinner afterwards with Zach, Andy Greenwald and Chuck Klosterman. So imagine that table.
36:31 Speaker 05 And then when did the Eagles happen?
36:33 Amanda Dobbins? That was in Heron Vice.
36:34 Speaker 05 Oh, in Heron Vice. I'm sorry.
36:36 Amanda Dobbins? That was, and that was the first time I met Chuck.
36:38 Sean Fennessey? Zach, Andy, Chuck and who else?
36:39 Amanda Dobbins? And myself.
36:40 Sean Fennessey? The four of you guys?
36:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
36:41 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
36:42 Amanda Dobbins? After The Master, so I just.
36:43 Sean Fennessey? Did you talk about The Master?
36:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, we did. I mean, I did. I think I was mostly just like, uh huh, uh huh. I was just like, imagine it's the first time you've met Chuck. And you've just seen The Master.
36:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
36:52 Amanda Dobbins? And then you're just like in some, you know, basement restaurant that Andy insisted on walking 10 blocks to.
36:57 Sean Fennessey? Chuck is also in The Cult of Paul. He really is a huge Paul Thomas Anderson fan.
37:01 Amanda Dobbins? It was great. It was really fun, but I just remember it was a overwhelming night.
37:07 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I mean, all these movies are good. I saw one better off another and then I immediately went and saw it again, to your point about rewatchability. I'll probably see it in theaters four or five times. It's there. It's not that they're like these densely packed info, you know, philosophical mind fucks either. They're not those kinds of, they're not Nolan-esque, you know, they're not like Kubrick movies where you're like, what does it all mean? Like, it's not, they're not mysterious in that specific way, with the exception of The Master, which I think is still kind of like.
37:35 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
37:36 Sean Fennessey? You can define it in many different kinds of ways, what it means and what it's about, but they're just, they're fun. They're just very fun.
37:44 Speaker 05 What is, uh, I was curious, without talking about the film itself and getting into any spoilers, like, what was your reaction to seeing a PTA movie that was actually set in the era that it was made?
37:57 Sean Fennessey? I thought he, I thought he achieved it in his own way.
38:00 Speaker 05 Yeah. It's often, it wasn't really a knock, but it was a running piece of commentary about Paul Thomas Anderson movies was that he's somebody who's disinterested in making art about our current moment. And, you know, you could say that's because he doesn't like cell phones, or you could say because lots of different reasons, but it was, I'm fascinated.
38:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
38:19 Speaker 05 This is the first time since Magnolia?
38:22 Sean Fennessey? No, since Punch Drunk Love.
38:23 Speaker 05 Punch Drunk.
38:24 Amanda Dobbins? It's.
38:26 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, you'll see.
38:26 Amanda Dobbins? You'll see. It is like, it, that's true, but it's.
38:29 Sean Fennessey? It's not, it's not a, it's not a looking at your phone movie.
38:32 Speaker 05 Cool.
38:33 Sean Fennessey? In a good way.
38:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
38:34 Amanda Dobbins? But it's also, you know, it's all like PTA world, basically.
38:38 Sean Fennessey? Hundred percent.
38:39 Amanda Dobbins? Which is, you know, and that was kind of what was fun about this was you just like it's eight different movies to pick from.
38:47 Sean Fennessey? Nine.
38:47 Amanda Dobbins? Nine.
38:47 Sean Fennessey? Nine.
38:48 Amanda Dobbins? But.
38:49 Sean Fennessey? Well, Junin too. Did you, are you, will you be drafting any of the musicians from Junin? No?
38:54 Speaker 05 No.
38:54 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Anima, the Tom York short film?
38:57 Speaker 05 Did you pick any of the Heim sisters from any of the Heim videos?
39:00 Sean Fennessey? I would like to.
39:01 Amanda Dobbins? Well, okay. But they're all, you know, and they're sat in different places at different times. But they all, they all have a flavor. It's, you know, it's a clubhouse.
39:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's all like paper dollars, right? They're all connected to each other in some way. You can see that. And I was saying to Jack before we were recording this morning, this is not, you get Goodfellas or you die in this draft. Like, no one's gonna lose. No one's gonna be like, how could you take that from me? Like, I think.
39:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
39:34 Sean Fennessey? There's enough to go around.
39:35 Speaker 05 So, you know what, I wanted to ask you guys before we get into the drafting itself, and I don't really know if there's an answer to this question, but I, obviously, we podcast about movies and television a lot, and you are referring to the plots, and sometimes you refer to the characters by the character names, and sometimes you'll be like, De Niro did, does this, or De Niro does that. And so I try in my mind, when I'm talking about something, element of performance, to do the actor name.
39:57 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
39:57 Speaker 05 But if I'm doing plot, I'm trying to talk about the character name. But I was always going through all these PTA characters to choose who to draft from. It's funny how often I'm like, that's Philip Seymour Hoffman. It's not a character. And it's like, maybe he's a very specific case, uh, because of their relationship, but that, like, how often I feel like Paul Thomas Anderson seems to almost find something about the actor or actress. Beyond the character, like it's, I associate Julianne Moore with these people and being in these movies to the extent where I'm like, that's what Julianne Moore was like back then. Uh, which is a strange phenomenon.
40:40 Sean Fennessey? Iconography.
40:42 Speaker 05 I don't think, but I don't think Robert De Niro is Jimmy Conway, you know, like, and when I'm talking about Goodfellas, I'm like, yes, like that's Jimmy Conway and that's Tommy and that's Henry Hill. But with these, I'm like, right. And then, and then Adam Sandler does this.
40:55 Amanda Dobbins? Right. Well, he does, he uses, like, he has a troupe, you know, so the same people, the same actors show up in different movies and are like sort of associated with PTA world. So in that sense, you do start thinking about like, I mean, the number of Philip Seymour Hoffman things, characters that we could draft and I'm, and I probably will. But I think it's natural that in that sense, you start grouping them under him.
41:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I think part of it is that he has gotten the best work out of people's careers out of a handful of his favorites, right? John C. Reilly, Julianne Moore, Phil Hoffman, like those, all of those people who pop up in three, four, five movies, William H. Macy, like, he's great at that. He's also really good at, and this, this can be an entree into the categories, but the kind of like one scene, you know, contained space with a character we haven't seen yet in the movie, who takes over the movie for five minutes or 10 minutes. And he obviously writes a lot of ensemble movies. He writes a lot of movies where people are kind of moving around a lot of places and going to new spaces and you're discovering things in
42:03 Sean Fennessey? real time. Um, they're not like plot engines, his movies, you know, they're really more, kind of more journey-like. Um, and so you just get a ton of people introduced to you all the time. And some of them are very famous actors and some of them are actors you haven't seen in 30 years. And some of them are people you don't think of as actors at all. You know, I will never forget seeing James Downey, the SNL writer pop up in There Will Be Blood and thinking like, I don't think I've seen this guy in a movie, except for Billy Madison, when he was, you know, hosting the trivia contest at the end of the movie. That's the only James Downey performance I could think of when I saw the movie. And he just has a tendency to kind of like pluck people that he thinks are interesting. There's plenty of that in the new movie too. So, yeah, he's
42:45 Sean Fennessey? got a, he's got a, he's got a robust bench for sure. Um, categories. Do you feel that I?
42:53 Sean Fennessey? Navigated this correctly?
42:54 Speaker 05 Have we ever done a character draft before?
42:55 Sean Fennessey? No. No. We have done drafts of actors' careers and directors' careers, I think.
43:02 Speaker 05 Will our next character draft be Skydance characters?
43:05 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
43:06 Amanda Dobbins? We did Tom Cruise.
43:07 Sean Fennessey? That'll be a live event, though, on Larry Ellison's island.
43:10 Amanda Dobbins? Do we do?
43:12 Sean Fennessey? We did Clooney and Pitt.
43:13 Amanda Dobbins? Tom Cruise, Denzel.
43:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
43:15 Sean Fennessey? Denzel, Clooney and Pitt.
43:17 Amanda Dobbins? Have we done directors?
43:20 Sean Fennessey? Maybe not.
43:21 Amanda Dobbins? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
43:23 Sean Fennessey? Maybe not.
43:24 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
43:25 Speaker 05 We never did a Marty draft?
43:27 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm, we were maybe going to, but did we do a Marty draft, Jack?
43:31 Speaker 05 Documentary's coming.
43:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
43:33 Sean Fennessey? I know. I've watched two fifths of it. Crack.
43:37 Speaker 05 I don't think so, Amanda.
43:38 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, Martin Scorsese draft, the big picture, yeah. I felt like it was on the schedule at some point, but...
43:43 Sean Fennessey? Got something I can share with you guys about that off mic?
43:45 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
43:46 Sean Fennessey? Sorry, everybody.
43:46 Speaker 05 About the draft or about Martin Scorsese?
43:48 Sean Fennessey? Just about Martin Scorsese, yeah.
43:49 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, great, okay. I know, I gotta watch it, but I have to see like 45 movies.
43:54 Sean Fennessey? It's a busy time. So, category-wise?
43:56 Speaker 05 Yeah.
43:57 Sean Fennessey? Leading actor. Leading actress. Supporting actor. Supporting actress. Twist. One-scene star.
44:06 Speaker 05 Yep.
44:06 Sean Fennessey? Mega twist.
44:08 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, I forgot to prep Needle Drop.
44:10 Sean Fennessey? Needle Drop.
44:10 Amanda Dobbins? Oh shit, okay, well, it's okay, I can do it. I'm just, I have to do it right now, though, you know?
44:15 Sean Fennessey? And then wildcard. That's seven categories.
44:17 Speaker 05 I had a twist for wildcard that I would just like to present right here, because sometimes we get to wildcard and it's like, I will also pick something cool.
44:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
44:25 Sean Fennessey? Uh huh.
44:26 Speaker 05 What about PTA character you would most like to be in a committed relationship with?
44:31 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
44:31 Sean Fennessey? Easy.
44:32 Amanda Dobbins? That's funny.
44:32 Sean Fennessey? Super easy.
44:33 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
44:34 Sean Fennessey? Now, will you draft to kind of take characters away?
44:38 Speaker 05 Just saying. It's interesting to consider.
44:41 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I can think of a few. I can think of a few.
44:44 Speaker 05 Yeah.
44:45 Sean Fennessey? Um, you want to, do you need five minutes for needle drop?
44:47 Amanda Dobbins? No, I mean, you know, if, if you guys are nice, then it's, then it's fine, but you're probably not nice. So I'll just, no, but keep going.
44:56 Speaker 05 I know exactly.
44:57 Amanda Dobbins? I know, but like.
44:58 Sean Fennessey? There are multiple listicles that are like, here are the 20 best PTA needle drops.
45:02 Amanda Dobbins? But I don't like to do it like that, you know?
45:04 Speaker 05 She likes to just know.
45:05 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
45:06 Sean Fennessey? Tell you what, we'll stop down, you go back, watch all nine movies again. We'll wait here. Chris and I'll sit here, we'll catch up. We haven't seen each other too much recently.
45:13 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
45:14 Speaker 05 We'll talk about the Tomorrow War.
45:15 Sean Fennessey? Yep, we'll revisit the Tomorrow War, record a live, a live YouTube pod where we watch Tomorrow War.
45:21 Amanda Dobbins? Uh huh. Oh, yeah.
45:22 Sean Fennessey? You come back.
45:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
45:24 Sean Fennessey? You say, I love all the needle drops in the master. Here are my favorites.
45:31 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Um, you want to draft?
45:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, let's draft.
45:34 Sean Fennessey? Any other, any other stray thoughts?
45:37 Speaker 05 No, I don't think so.
45:38 Sean Fennessey? Oh, it's kind of looming over your shoulder here, right behind you, just so you know.
45:41 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, which, um. Oh, that's okay. That's a nice photo. Good job, Paul.
45:46 Speaker 05 Wow.
45:46 Sean Fennessey? Jack, we have to set the draft order.
45:48 Speaker 05 Bill just asked if I would trade Drake May for Tua Tagovaiola or.
45:53 Sean Fennessey? What?
45:56 Sean Fennessey? Wait, he wants Tua?
45:57 Speaker 05 Yeah. No, he wants to trade me Tua for Drake.
46:01 Sean Fennessey? I mean, Chris, under no circumstance can you do that.
46:03 Speaker 05 I know that, but I'm also just like, I didn't draft Drake. He's not my guy.
46:07 Sean Fennessey? You should, you should say, yes, if we can do Sicario next week.
46:12 Speaker 05 Oh, that's great.
46:13 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's good. This is exciting. Things happening in real time.
46:20 Sean Fennessey? I would be willing to let Bill have Drake, because you know, we don't know with Drake May. We don't, based on what we saw last week.
46:28 Speaker 05 I didn't draft him.
46:28 Sean Fennessey? He may not be it.
46:29 Speaker 05 Tate, Tate picked him first for content.
46:30 Sean Fennessey? How are you feeling about your team?
46:32 Speaker 05 Well, it depends on whether A.J. Brown ever gets any targets again, but.
46:36 Sean Fennessey? You gotta talk to Jalen Hurts about that.
46:37 Speaker 05 Yeah.
46:38 Sean Fennessey? It's a tough one.
46:39 Speaker 05 Yeah.
46:39 Sean Fennessey? He'll be fine. He's gonna catch 80 balls for 1,200 yards.
46:41 Speaker 05 I need the kid from the commanders to be consistently awesome.
46:45 Sean Fennessey? The kid from the commanders? Oh, Bill.
46:48 Speaker 05 Bill. Yeah.
46:49 Sean Fennessey? Sure. Bill. Uh, he scored a touchdown in week one.
46:52 Speaker 05 He did. He had 82 yards, but I just, now I'm like, I made a, a GM decision with him, starting him.
46:58 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
46:58 Speaker 05 So I need him to play well. Jerry Judy's on the bench.
47:01 Sean Fennessey? My team sucks. But my two best players might be on the Jets. So that's been exciting thus far. Breeze Hall is back. How you feeling? You feel caught up now?
47:10 Amanda Dobbins? Uh.
47:10 Sean Fennessey? We did a little fantasy football talk.
47:12 Amanda Dobbins? Sort of. I wasn't really listening to that. I was Googling things.
47:15 Sean Fennessey? It wasn't for you, Amanda.
47:16 Amanda Dobbins? I found a very funny tweet about a one battle after another needle dropped that, but you know, whatever.
47:20 Sean Fennessey? Can't take those.
47:20 Amanda Dobbins? I know. I know. I understand.
47:23 Sean Fennessey? Can't take those.
47:24 Amanda Dobbins? Um, I think I'll be okay.
47:27 Sean Fennessey? It's all Chapel Rohn, one battle after another. Fifteen Chapel Rohn songs.
47:32 Amanda Dobbins? I really am working through Emerald Fennel doing like all Charlie X X for Wuthering Heights.
47:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
47:37 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I hope Charlie got a lot of money.
47:39 Sean Fennessey? It's been so fun to watch everything kind of come back on Amanda.
47:42 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
47:43 Sean Fennessey? You know, like first they came for my beloved IP and remade it with Devil Wears Prada.
47:49 Speaker 05 And she was like, ha, ha, you guys have to watch all these bad Star Wars movies, but now.
47:52 Sean Fennessey? Yes, now it's like pained romantic period pieces.
47:56 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, like I said, I'm not a Bronte gal. I'm much more concerned about the Sense and Sensibility remake. And then, and the Pride and Prejudice series, I think it'll be okay.
48:05 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
48:06 Amanda Dobbins? Anyway, your boy Jekyll and Mr. Darcy.
48:09 Speaker 05 He's the best.
48:10 Amanda Dobbins? But they had to use body doubles because their kid arrived and so he's on parental leave.
48:14 Sean Fennessey? Oh, wow. Body doubles where?
48:16 Amanda Dobbins? Like on set to finish up shots. I don't know. This is according to the Daily Mail.
48:20 Sean Fennessey? Parental leave in the middle of a film?
48:20 Amanda Dobbins? Well, they had a baby. I think it was at the end. I don't know.
48:24 Sean Fennessey? He doesn't work in tech. What does that mean? He's a fucking actor.
48:28 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
48:29 Sean Fennessey? I'm not saying he doesn't deserve parental leave. I'm just saying like he's on camera.
48:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
48:33 Amanda Dobbins? This is according to the Daily Mail and in the UK.
48:37 Speaker 05 Yeah.
48:37 Amanda Dobbins? They do have much better parental leave than we have here.
48:41 Sean Fennessey? I'm gonna go back on parental leave, I think.
48:41 Amanda Dobbins? It expired.
48:42 Sean Fennessey? I know.
48:44 Amanda Dobbins? You messed up, buddy.
48:44 Sean Fennessey? I'm still gonna take it. I'm gonna take six months of parental leave just because I have a four year old. I need parental leave. Sorry, guys. You think that'll be okay?
48:50 Speaker 05 I'm gonna trade Drake May for Tua and your parental leave and then I'm gonna take your parental leave.
48:57 Sean Fennessey? That's, if that's all you get out of this trade, then that's not enough.
49:00 Speaker 05 Okay.
49:00 Sean Fennessey? You need to get, you need to get Sicario and what else? If you could do a rewatchables on any Paul Thomas Anderson movie, what would you do?
49:09 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
49:09 Sean Fennessey? Obviously, we've done a handful.
49:11 Speaker 05 I think the expectation is eventually we'll do all of them, right?
49:15 Sean Fennessey? I don't, I honestly don't even know if Bill has seen it, her advice. I know he really likes Phantom Thread and Licorice Pizza.
49:20 Amanda Dobbins? Phantom Thread would be my pick, obviously.
49:23 Sean Fennessey? Good pick.
49:23 Speaker 05 I would.
49:24 Sean Fennessey? That's a very rewatchable movie.
49:25 Speaker 05 I.
49:26 Sean Fennessey? With many great scenes.
49:27 Speaker 05 I just think that the mastery rewatchables would be the funniest thing we could possibly.
49:30 Sean Fennessey? It's my number one pick. It is probably my current number one.
49:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
49:33 Amanda Dobbins? Well, yeah, but.
49:35 Speaker 05 Big fuck.
49:36 Amanda Dobbins? But here's the thing is that it can't be all three of you. It either has to be you and Bill, or it has to be you and Bill, or it has to be you two.
49:44 Speaker 05 No, it has to be him and Bill.
49:46 Amanda Dobbins? You know, and that could, and then no Bill, and that would be funny too, but it has to be two men. Enter a room.
49:50 Sean Fennessey? I think it should be Van and Kyle Brand.
49:55 Sean Fennessey? I would love that, honestly. I don't know if I could love something more than Van and Kyle Brand talking for two hours.
50:00 Speaker 05 The fantasy guys.
50:02 Amanda Dobbins? Have they done Casablanca yet?
50:04 Sean Fennessey? No.
50:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it's like, oh, sad.
50:06 Sean Fennessey? It's too bad. Um, okay. So we've got our categories. We gotta get draft order. Jack Sanders, you ready?
50:12 Speaker 06 Yeah, just really quickly before we set the draft order, I can't stop thinking about Amanda suggesting, Amanda suggesting me reenacting all of Avatar to CR, and there is nothing that would bring me more joy than not telling him anything, showing up to the studio, painting my full body blue.
50:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
50:28 Speaker 06 Getting some costume design and acting it out.
50:30 Speaker 05 Look, this is your big opportunity.
50:33 Speaker 06 Draft order time.
50:35 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, right. We have the weird.
50:37 Speaker 06 Dungeons and Dragons.
50:38 Amanda Dobbins? Cube.
50:38 Speaker 05 Oh.
50:39 Speaker 06 Selecting first, Amanda Dobbins.
50:42 Amanda Dobbins? Wow.
50:43 Speaker 05 Wow.
50:43 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
50:45 Speaker 05 Stress, stress.
50:49 Speaker 06 Selecting second, CR, Sean, third.
50:54 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
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53:07 Speaker 05 There's no bad choices.
53:09 Amanda Dobbins? There's no bad choices, but I think I have some clarity about what's probably the most shared between the three of us, and watch me be incredibly wrong, but I am going to, in supporting actor, take Frank T.J. Mackey, AKA Tom Cruise from Magnolia.
53:27 Sean Fennessey? Interesting. Now, I was actually going to ask, is this a lead or not? Magnolia is so hard because it's like 15 supporting characters, but also 15 leads, you know, because those characters are so deep.
53:39 Speaker 05 Was there discussion about, did he get nominated for this?
53:42 Sean Fennessey? He did.
53:42 Speaker 05 And for supporting actor or actor?
53:44 Sean Fennessey? Supporting.
53:45 Amanda Dobbins? Supporting, yeah.
53:45 Speaker 05 Okay. I would still consider him lead actor in this.
53:48 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, interesting.
53:49 Sean Fennessey? So I wrote down lead as well, but I definitely would let you take him in supporting.
53:52 Speaker 05 Yes.
53:52 Amanda Dobbins? I think that I have everyone in Magnolia in supporting.
53:56 Sean Fennessey? As supporting?
53:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
53:58 Sean Fennessey? I have everyone else in supporting.
54:03 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, and you have him?
54:03 Speaker 05 Oh, I don't.
54:04 Amanda Dobbins? Just because it's such a giant performance?
54:06 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's like he headlines the movie.
54:08 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, he does, but he is...
54:10 Sean Fennessey? I think he's the kind of the fulcrum of the movie.
54:14 Amanda Dobbins? In, in some ways, but he is like one of a web of people. Anyway.
54:21 Sean Fennessey? Did you notice that a character, an actress who interacts with him in that movie is in one battle after another?
54:27 Amanda Dobbins? Um, no.
54:29 Sean Fennessey? Okay, we'll talk about it afterwards.
54:30 Amanda Dobbins? But I have only seen it the once, so that's fine. Anyway, this is one of his best performances. His like most against tape performance and I would imagine in the moment felt like, oh, this is like really what, you know, Tom Cruise can do. And it starts off, he does Magnolia, then he does Eyes Wide Shut. He works with Spielberg, you know, he's really in a cool zone and eventually the wheels come off. But um, there's like a lot of potential in this performance in addition to him just being absolutely like psychotic and insane in the best way. And it does, like it is a performance, but you're like, it sort of helps understand Tom Cruise. It's like, oh, this is why you're so weird. Like there is, this is.
55:15 Sean Fennessey? A little bit of a skeleton key.
55:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, this, there's something going on here with you. So.
55:20 Sean Fennessey? I always loved that he agreed to do this.
55:23 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
55:23 Sean Fennessey? Because you can feel PTA writing into Tom Cruise's oddity. You know, his unusual weird charisma.
55:34 Speaker 05 It's like such a weird thing to come out of his mouth, but then like the whole thing is like, that's what you used to call me and like, you know.
55:41 Sean Fennessey? The, the scene where he breaks down in front of his father is obviously the one that is the most cited in terms of like the greatness of his performance and how he kind of choreographed a lot of that. And um, PTA always gives him credit for that. But to me, rewatching the movie last week, it's the scene when he's being interviewed. And when the interviewer reveals to him that she knows the truth about his parents and his mom and that she's died. And Cruise doesn't say a lot, but the camera is holding on him and his wheels are turning so hard. And he's so mad and so sad. Um, very special. Might, might be his best performance. I mean, it's, it's definitely up there.
56:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. It's like, it's like his best like capital A acting performance, you know? Then there are some Tom Cruise like serendipitous moments. Yeah.
56:25 Sean Fennessey? Okay. That's a very good pick.
56:27 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
56:29 Sean Fennessey? Chris, you have a pick.
56:30 Speaker 05 I will take Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood as Daniel Plainview. And I was, you know, there are many Daniel Day-Lewis performances, or at least two, that you could think of for this character draft, but I was trying to put myself back in the mindset of seeing this for the first time, you know, and I think that this marked a sort of change in the road for DDL where it was like, he's only going to act every couple of years. And when he does, he is going to be like a storm cloud arriving over your head and, you know, just a complete force of nature. He was that before, but in a much more like kind of tactile, like you could reach out and touch him. And this, he just feels
57:13 Speaker 05 like you're watching, you know, like a god or something behave in front of you. And I just remember just like feeling like I'd never seen a performance like this before. I don't really know if I've ever seen one since. The immediacy with which, like the tics of this performance and the lines that the character delivers and the way he behaves and the way he moves and the way he stands next to his kid and the way he digs for oil have all been like ingrained in my memory is, is pretty distinctive among like, I think, most acting performances that I have ever seen. So it's a, it's a, it's great to get it, get him number one. I mean, this is who I was coming.
57:54 Amanda Dobbins? Number two, but yeah.
57:57 Speaker 05 My, my first pick, yeah.
58:00 Sean Fennessey? It's funny that he's back in the, in the media right now. We have not heard a word from Daniel Day-Lewis in seven years since Phantom Thread. He has not appeared in a movie. He will be in a movie that opens in
58:13 Amanda Dobbins? He's been walking around the West Village, though.
58:15 Sean Fennessey? But you haven't been speaking to him.
58:16 Amanda Dobbins? No.
58:17 Sean Fennessey? Has anyone been speaking to him? Is he popping out?
58:20 Amanda Dobbins? Journalistically, I mean, I
58:21 Sean Fennessey? Like side talk about the Knicks?
58:23 Speaker 05 If you found yourself in line with Daniel Day-Lewis at Joe's Pizza, would you really?
58:26 Amanda Dobbins? No, never.
58:27 Speaker 05 Hand me the red pepper?
58:28 Amanda Dobbins? I don't like to, oh.
58:30 Sean Fennessey? Flakes?
58:30 Amanda Dobbins? Like, I'd be like, excuse me, I need this if I needed something. But like, no, I wouldn't be like, hey, man, I'm such a fan. Can we have a selfie?
58:37 Sean Fennessey? I would very quietly. Saunter up beside him, put my arm around his shoulder.
58:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
58:42 Sean Fennessey? But very gently.
58:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
58:44 Sean Fennessey? Softly. And I would start whisper singing Danny Boy into his ear. Do you think he would receive that well?
58:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I think that would go very well.
58:50 Speaker 05 That would go great.
58:51 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
58:51 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think he'd be like, this is what I do it for.
58:53 Sean Fennessey? Please feel free to come on the big picture, Daniel. Um, he's in a new movie, Anemone, directed by his son, which comes out in three weeks. So he's back and he said that he didn't mean to retire twice.
59:02 Speaker 05 Yes.
59:02 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
59:03 Sean Fennessey? Which is, uh, something I hope to be able to say at some point in my life.
59:09 Speaker 05 I, you know, he talked in Rolling Stone, I think about, he did an interview with Rolling Stone where he talks about like, oh, I wish I hadn't made a big deal about retiring. I just could have gone and done other stuff. Um, but he mentions that like, it was like the stuff around Phantom Thread that ushered on that quote unquote retirement. And I just, what do you think it is about like that experience that is it because people were taking pictures of him? Getting ready to go on set in London and there was all that like sort of?
59:36 Sean Fennessey? I'm not sure. I mean, I think it kept the impression that he really pours.
59:41 Speaker 05 Yeah.
59:41 Sean Fennessey? Everything into the.
59:42 Speaker 05 Harder for him to get it going.
59:43 Sean Fennessey? He kind of goes into it and then it's hard to get out of it and that, um, I don't know, seems to be interested in his family life and.
59:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. And he's inevitably nominated for an Oscar. So then it's the awards thing of it all, which they need to promote the movie. So it's, I mean, it seems like a lot of work and he's, you know, he likes making shoes.
1:00:03 Speaker 05 Maybe he's just, he knows he's never going to top the Charlie Rose interview with Paul Thomas Anderson. He gives you the script and you say what?
1:00:11 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Uh, amazing. Arguably the performance of the 21st century, in my opinion. Um, as great as Frank T J Mackey's performance is.
1:00:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Well, that was 1999. So.
1:00:21 Sean Fennessey? Good point.
1:00:22 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:00:22 Sean Fennessey? Good point. The, you, the two greatest male performances of the last two centuries have been selected in the Paul Thomas Anderson trap. We're doing great. We're doing so great. Maybe the third greatest performance would be Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd in the master. I will take him, I guess, in supporting actor. I will say I put him in lead. Now, would you take him as a master?
1:00:43 Amanda Dobbins? He was the master.
1:00:43 Sean Fennessey? He was nominated in supporting at the Academy Awards. Now I originally placed him in lead and then after I heard you talk about Frank T J Mackey, I moved into supporting. So what's the move?
1:00:52 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I. I think that we can make our own decisions.
1:00:55 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:00:56 Amanda Dobbins? We are, they have not let us into the academy yet.
1:00:58 Sean Fennessey? Well.
1:00:58 Amanda Dobbins? And we also don't always agree with their categories.
1:01:03 Sean Fennessey? Do you think you'll get into the academy before you die?
1:01:05 Amanda Dobbins? No, I don't.
1:01:06 Sean Fennessey? You'll, you, you think you will not, you, they will never add a podcaster's branch.
1:01:10 Amanda Dobbins? I really don't.
1:01:11 Speaker 05 But when she starts making Odyssey R updates.
1:01:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:01:15 Sean Fennessey? Right, right. As a documentarian.
1:01:17 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:01:17 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, okay, you can get into the nonfiction branch?
1:01:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:01:20 Sean Fennessey? As Chris's personal cinematographer?
1:01:22 Amanda Dobbins? The most open-hearted and, you know, and pop branch of the academy.
1:01:26 Sean Fennessey? Definitely, you'll fit right in.
1:01:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:01:27 Sean Fennessey? What, do you think there will ever be a jam tasters branch? For all the jam session fans out there?
1:01:32 Amanda Dobbins? It was just business reporting, okay, and I followed through.
1:01:35 Sean Fennessey? Okay, maybe another branch you could get into. I think that there will be a podcaster's branch one day.
1:01:41 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, well, that's depressing, honestly.
1:01:44 Amanda Dobbins? I think that the Philip Seymour Hoffman and the Master is like a much more central, you know, that's about two guys. That's a, it's a two, obviously there are other people, but it's a two-hander.
1:01:55 Sean Fennessey? There's a, there's a mermaid sandcastle.
1:01:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:01:58 Sean Fennessey? She figures prominently in the film.
1:02:00 Speaker 05 It's true.
1:02:00 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, but, you know.
1:02:02 Speaker 05 Couple of coconuts.
1:02:03 Sean Fennessey? Definitely.
1:02:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:02:04 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:02:04 Amanda Dobbins? But Magnolia's ensemble, and that is, that has two leads, which is Joaquin and Philip Seymour Hoffman. Yeah, okay, well, that's fine. I actually, I have some questions later on about what's eligible as the definition of a character, but we'll get there.
1:02:18 Sean Fennessey? Intriguing.
1:02:19 Speaker 05 Interesting.
1:02:19 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
1:02:21 Sean Fennessey? Philip Seymour Hoffman, the late great.
1:02:22 Speaker 05 I think you could take it in either one. I would say it's a two, I would, I would probably, if I was going back and watching, I don't know how much we see Philip Seymour Hoffman without Joaquin Phoenix's character being present.
1:02:33 Sean Fennessey? A few times. I mean, there's the scenes with Amy Adams alone where they're talking about him. They have dinner at one point without him and talk about it.
1:02:41 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:02:42 Sean Fennessey? You know, he famously is furiously masturbated.
1:02:45 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:02:46 Speaker 05 She cranks it, it's good.
1:02:47 Sean Fennessey? Freddie Quaid was not in the room during that scene.
1:02:49 Speaker 05 We don't think.
1:02:51 Sean Fennessey? We don't think.
1:02:52 Amanda Dobbins? You can see most of the room, because there's a mirror, it's a, it's a small bathroom, you know?
1:02:57 Amanda Dobbins? I guess, I don't know what's, if he's hiding behind the shower curtain.
1:03:00 Sean Fennessey? There's definitely a reading of the movie that those two characters are the same person.
1:03:04 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:03:04 Sean Fennessey? That they're the two, the two strains of masculinity, right? Like the, the searching mind and the beast, right?
1:03:10 Amanda Dobbins? Jesus Christ. Would you like?
1:03:12 Sean Fennessey? This is what I bring to the table.
1:03:14 Amanda Dobbins? No, I know.
1:03:15 Sean Fennessey? This is my thing.
1:03:16 Speaker 05 Yeah. I can't believe Bill doesn't want to talk about Amy Adams, of all people, cranking Philip Seymour Hoffman. And then you could talk about the man and the beast.
1:03:24 Sean Fennessey? We don't know that he doesn't.
1:03:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:03:25 Sean Fennessey? He might want to. If you give him Drake May, maybe he'll give it to us. Can we bundle? Can we get a package of Sicario and the Master together? Uh, so definitely Lancaster Dodd, which is-
1:03:37 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, but did you decide category?
1:03:39 Sean Fennessey? I would, I would like to have him in lead if that's achievable.
1:03:41 Amanda Dobbins? There you go. I think that that is, I accept that.
1:03:43 Sean Fennessey? Thank you for your comfort. We've, we've taken three men.
1:03:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:03:47 Sean Fennessey? At the top of this draft. What do you, what do you make of that?
1:03:51 Sean Fennessey? What do you think it says about the work?
1:03:52 Amanda Dobbins? Right, yeah.
1:03:53 Sean Fennessey? Well, I'll take, I'll start by taking a woman now.
1:03:55 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, no.
1:03:55 Sean Fennessey? And the leading actress. I'll be taking Vicky Crepes.
1:03:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:03:58 Sean Fennessey? As Alma Elson in Phantom Thread.
1:04:00 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
1:04:01 Sean Fennessey? Which, um, I don't know if it's the best female acting performance in one of his films, but I think it is his most wonderful female creation up until the new movie.
1:04:10 Amanda Dobbins? Um, yeah.
1:04:11 Sean Fennessey? And she is remarkable in this movie. To me, a total discovery. I'd never seen her before. Um, the fact that she, a younger and less experienced actress, uh, is toe to toe with Daniel Day-Lewis in Phantom Thread as Reynolds Woodcock is amazing. Um, and the fact that she generates the power that she does in that movie. The movie really hinges on her. It does not hinge on him. And not just her performance, but the way that that character is written and the way that the story is structured is beautiful. And she's really great. And she's like, another person who he kind of like vaulted to a very cool career in Hollywood. So she will be my leading actress.
1:04:49 Amanda Dobbins? It's a good one.
1:04:51 Speaker 05 So I picked second here. I got my second pick, rather.
1:04:53 Sean Fennessey? How do you feel about that category? The leading actress category?
1:04:57 Speaker 05 Well, I, I think this will be where probably there's some maybe disagreement. Cause I'll pick my leading actress right here.
1:05:03 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:05:03 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:05:03 Speaker 05 I was gonna take Julianne Moore as Linda Partridge.
1:05:07 Sean Fennessey? I have her written down.
1:05:07 Amanda Dobbins? I have her in supporting.
1:05:08 Sean Fennessey? I have her written down as leading.
1:05:09 Amanda Dobbins? And I have her, she, I, I mean, that's-
1:05:13 Speaker 05 Don't call me supporting.
1:05:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:05:14 Speaker 05 How about that?
1:05:16 Sean Fennessey? Don't call me lady.
1:05:19 Speaker 05 So in the same way that Tom Cruise, I think is sort of like one big pull. I think that her character to me, at least in my last viewing of Magnolia, which probably isn't honestly much after the rewatchables. I just remember her as being, I know that there are other characters, but like I just remember her being like this huge sort of fulcrum of the movie. So I had her in leading actress. I don't, I don't know if, if, if the jury will accept that.
1:05:45 Sean Fennessey? I'm fine with it. I have her literally.
1:05:46 Amanda Dobbins? I had her in supporting, but I don't, it's, that's fine.
1:05:48 Sean Fennessey? I have her listed as leading, leading actress. I think she has the most prominent female role in that movie.
1:05:54 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:05:54 Sean Fennessey? Give or take Melora Walters. And we can talk about that too. I think she has the most, the sequence with the lawyer, the doctor and the pharmacist.
1:06:07 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:06:08 Sean Fennessey? Those are three of the 10 most memorable sequences in the movie. Plus she gets part of, she is part of the sing along.
1:06:14 Speaker 05 Yep.
1:06:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:06:15 Sean Fennessey? So.
1:06:18 Sean Fennessey? I, I accept.
1:06:19 Amanda Dobbins? That's fine.
1:06:20 Speaker 05 That's what I'll do then.
1:06:21 Sean Fennessey? Okay. So lead actress.
1:06:22 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:06:23 Sean Fennessey? Okay. It's running thin now. Julianne Moore, is that even her best performance in a, in a, in a PTA movie?
1:06:32 Speaker 05 It's up for debate.
1:06:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:06:33 Speaker 05 Would you?
1:06:34 Amanda Dobbins? Well, it's kind of, that's such a bummer to
1:06:37 Amanda Dobbins? take the other one, but you can.
1:06:40 Sean Fennessey? No, it's your turn. It's your turn. Yeah.
1:06:42 Amanda Dobbins? No, no, no, no. I just meant like, you know, emotionally.
1:06:45 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Are you my mom? Can you be my mom?
1:06:48 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:06:50 Amanda Dobbins? Stark. I rewatched all the child custody stuff too. And I was like, I mean, it's a great performance, but this is a bummer. Less of a bummer, but back to, this is definitively supporting actress. But you know, the women, they're thinner on the ground. So, um, I will take Cyril Woodcock, AKA Leslie Manville in Phantom Thread.
1:07:09 Sean Fennessey? That's a great pick. Good one.
1:07:11 Amanda Dobbins? Who.
1:07:13 Amanda Dobbins? Says very little and controls everything and is, this movie rules, is so funny. And, and balances out both the Alma performance, the Vicky Cribbs performance, and then, and gives room for DDL to just.
1:07:31 Speaker 05 But like has gravity against him, which is hard.
1:07:33 Sean Fennessey? That famous moment where she's like, I'll go right through you, you know, don't come for me.
1:07:37 Speaker 05 Exactly. There's like a couple of different ways to go, you know, like we've seen over the course of the two DDL movies that Paul Thomas Anderson made, but you could either get, try to get as loud as him or you can like, you can zero in.
1:07:48 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
1:07:48 Speaker 05 And it's interesting to watch her kind of, she does the latter and she's like, I am just gonna be still. And like, command you.
1:07:56 Sean Fennessey? That, in that scene in particular, you know, he doesn't cut away, back to Reynolds.
1:08:01 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:08:02 Sean Fennessey? He stays, he stays on Cyril the whole time and her like, she doesn't, and she doesn't look at him. She's holding the teacup and she's sipping the tea and she's like, very quietly like this and she's saying, she's speaking, but she's not even, she's like, we've done this before, we've had this fight before and you know not to fuck with me because if you fuck with me, this whole thing falls apart. Uh, great pick.
1:08:22 Amanda Dobbins? And then in Needle Drop, I will take Let Me Roll It from Licorice Pizza.
1:08:25 Sean Fennessey? Great.
1:08:25 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, which set my heart on fire the first time I saw it and is still excellent.
1:08:32 Sean Fennessey? Best part of the movie.
1:08:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. There we go.
1:08:34 Sean Fennessey? Licorice Pizza, a lot of haters out there.
1:08:36 Speaker 05 Are there?
1:08:36 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:08:37 Speaker 05 Age gaps.
1:08:37 Sean Fennessey? Can't say I get it.
1:08:38 Speaker 05 Age gap deniers.
1:08:40 Sean Fennessey? Meaning that they think that it doesn't exist. Where did I make, where did I make it?
1:08:45 Amanda Dobbins? You already, you already like tried to put Jack on the age gap.
1:08:47 Sean Fennessey? Oh, right. Jack thought there should be more age gap. It should be a wider gap.
1:08:51 Speaker 05 That is correct.
1:08:52 Sean Fennessey? Much older guy.
1:08:53 Speaker 05 What I said, yeah.
1:08:54 Sean Fennessey? It was really more like, it should be like 70 and 18.
1:08:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, like Bob Duker.
1:08:57 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:09:01 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I, I, I still think Licorice Pizza is great. It's a totally different kind of a movie from a lot of these movies, but it's so great.
1:09:08 Amanda Dobbins? What's interesting now, I rewatched it since seeing one battle after another. And now that we have one battle after another.
1:09:18 Amanda Dobbins? And it's, and it's big and it's major. I'm sorry, we're not going to spoil it, but it's just like this, it's an event.
1:09:22 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
1:09:23 Amanda Dobbins? I felt like a lot more warmth and enjoyment for Licorice Pizza that it could just be what it is.
1:09:28 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:09:28 Amanda Dobbins? If that, if that makes any sense.
1:09:30 Sean Fennessey? It reminds me a lot of Punch Drunk Love.
1:09:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:09:32 Sean Fennessey? Where when it came up, people were like, this? From the guy capable of that? But then when you remove it from that anticipation and you accept it on its own terms, it's phenomenal.
1:09:41 Speaker 05 It's like his Tenet.
1:09:43 Sean Fennessey? Sure. Definitely. It's just like his Tenet. Just as, as scrutable as his Tenet as well.
1:09:49 Speaker 05 But it's like, Tenet was like, oh, wait, this was, this was gonna save us all.
1:09:53 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:09:54 Speaker 05 And it didn't. But then when you go back, you're like, God, this is, this is the best movie ever made.
1:09:58 Sean Fennessey? Okay. You have one more pick.
1:10:00 Amanda Dobbins? No, I just did two. I did.
1:10:01 Sean Fennessey? You have no more picks.
1:10:02 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:10:03 Sean Fennessey? You know, Chris has a pick.
1:10:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:10:05 Sean Fennessey? I always do that. What happened? Even, we have this beautiful board up here now too, and I still can't do it correctly. I'm sorry.
1:10:11 Amanda Dobbins? Well, it's the, the color coding is ingenious, but also.
1:10:15 Sean Fennessey? My head hurts.
1:10:16 Amanda Dobbins? You have to concentrate. Yeah.
1:10:18 Sean Fennessey? I just can't see. I'm blind.
1:10:20 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Are you wearing your contacts?
1:10:21 Sean Fennessey? I am.
1:10:22 Amanda Dobbins? We gotta talk about upgrading your contacts.
1:10:23 Sean Fennessey? Imagine if I wasn't wearing my contacts right now. I wouldn't be able to make it out the door.
1:10:29 Amanda Dobbins? I know, but that's nothing compared if I weren't wearing my contacts.
1:10:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yours is worse than mine. Yeah.
1:10:32 Amanda Dobbins? So.
1:10:34 Speaker 05 In supporting actor, I'm gonna take Josh Brolin as Bigfoot Bjornson.
1:10:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:10:40 Speaker 05 In her advice.
1:10:42 Sean Fennessey? Big time CR pick.
1:10:43 Amanda Dobbins? When I was rewatching this to try to pick up what I could, fast forwarding through, I was like, this is Elite Brolin. I was like, should I do this? And I don't know. Um.
1:10:51 Speaker 05 He's very, very, very, very, very funny as a, as a pretty racist cop in this movie.
1:10:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:10:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:10:56 Sean Fennessey? I think, I think he's the best part of the movie.
1:10:59 Amanda Dobbins? He is.
1:10:59 Sean Fennessey? No CLO drive for Bigfoot is the funny, I think that's the funniest line.
1:11:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:11:03 Sean Fennessey? In the whole movie, where he, his whole intention is to just be a super famous cop. And everything that he's doing is in an effort to get that.
1:11:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:11:10 Sean Fennessey? But he's such a dickhead.
1:11:12 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:11:12 Sean Fennessey? That of course, no one's willing to give him anything. He's so funny.
1:11:14 Speaker 05 Just a great haircut. I mean, Brolin really is the, you know, really, really adept at fitting into these larger ensembles and has. Probably at this point in his career, he's maybe a little bit bigger than this, but like I feel like he would just be like, yeah, I'll just be, I'll be in the movie for six minutes.
1:11:31 Sean Fennessey? What's his comp as a, as a movie star? Like, I can't think of another person who is so comfortable doing that part, which is like the third supporting character in that movie, but also be the star of No Country, but also be the third supporting character in Weapons, like,
1:11:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:11:47 Sean Fennessey? He's such a-
1:11:48 Amanda Dobbins? Was he Thanos?
1:11:49 Sean Fennessey? He was Thanos?
1:11:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:11:51 Sean Fennessey? I'm, I can't quite put my finger on it. It's a, it's a good thought exercise.
1:11:55 Amanda Dobbins? Did you guys read, um, Zach's Glenn Powell interview? Which was very exciting. Well, I just, it's a great piece about Glenn Powell, but Josh Brolin steals the show as a secondary. Just incredible stuff.
1:12:08 Speaker 05 Well, I can't remember, were they making? Or they were making something at the same time in the same town or something?
1:12:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I don't know.
1:12:13 Speaker 05 And Brolin goes up to Glenn Powell and like when they, like the first day they meet, he goes, are you a bro?
1:12:18 Amanda Dobbins? No, he's like, this witness test for people or is are you a bro or not?
1:12:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:12:23 Sean Fennessey? And is it good to be a bro or bad?
1:12:25 Speaker 05 Or are you a bro?
1:12:26 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:12:26 Speaker 05 Are you gonna make it all about like the, the fame and the bullshit or are you about the work?
1:12:30 Amanda Dobbins? But I think, but then there are definitely some more quotes about, uh, weightlifting or, or like putting on or, or training or something?
1:12:38 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:12:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, no, but Brolin comes back.
1:12:40 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:12:41 Amanda Dobbins? Brolin has a lot. It's really, really good. So shout out to both of them.
1:12:45 Sean Fennessey? I would like to once again recommend the Josh Brolin episode of WTF.
1:12:49 Speaker 05 It's the best.
1:12:50 Sean Fennessey? In which they talk about zen for the first 12 minutes.
1:12:53 Speaker 05 Off-brand Dubai zen.
1:12:56 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. And the insane heart palpitations that are created by leaving them in overnight. Um, it's some of the best content you'll ever find. He, he's very special.
1:13:05 Amanda Dobbins? Good pick.
1:13:05 Sean Fennessey? Good picks he are.
1:13:06 Speaker 05 Thanks. Thanks.
1:13:07 Sean Fennessey? Okay. I've got lead actor and lead actress. I'm gonna look around at supporting performances. I think I know where I'm going. I think I know where we're going in both of them.
1:13:20 Sean Fennessey? In supporting male performance, I'll be selecting John C. Riley as Reed Rothschild.
1:13:27 Amanda Dobbins? Oh.
1:13:28 Sean Fennessey? Which is one of the funniest performances. Now, some would say, maybe you should take Burt Reynolds. I would say no. I like Jack Horner.
1:13:36 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:13:36 Sean Fennessey? I think he's great. I think what he, what Burt Reynolds' fame represents is very powerful for that movie. To me, Reed Rothschild is the pick. John C. Riley, I went to see this movie on Sunday night and Monday night. John C. Riley was there both nights.
1:13:50 Speaker 05 To go see.
1:13:51 Amanda Dobbins? I did. I saw him Sunday night as well.
1:13:52 Speaker 05 One battle after another, you mean?
1:13:53 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:13:53 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
1:13:54 Sean Fennessey? And that's fucking cool. That's like when you direct your 10th film, I'll show up to the premiere and to your interview with Steven Spielberg.
1:14:05 Amanda Dobbins? Which is Steven Spielberg just doing the last time on.
1:14:09 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:14:10 Amanda Dobbins? But for the entire audience. It's very cute. illustrious footsteps you're following in, Jack.
1:14:17 Sean Fennessey? John C. Riley, Reed and Dirk meeting for the first time at Jack's party is what it was like when Ciara and I met for the first time. When we talked about weightlifting and we talked about, I said, people say, I remind them of Han Solo. And I made him a margarita and you said it was the best margarita you'd ever had. And we were friends forever. It's the same relationship.
1:14:44 Speaker 05 To Will Ferrell and John C. Riley meeting at Step Brothers unintentionally or intentionally, it's just the best.
1:14:50 Sean Fennessey? We just become best friends. Yeah, literally. I feel great about that pick. I love Reed. Okay, supporting actress, you know what?
1:15:01 Sean Fennessey? I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna pivot.
1:15:06 Sean Fennessey? No, how many Boogie Nights characters is too many is a question.
1:15:10 Speaker 05 Don't you do it.
1:15:11 Sean Fennessey? Should there be variants?
1:15:12 Amanda Dobbins? Are you gonna do it?
1:15:13 Sean Fennessey? What, what, what am I gonna do?
1:15:15 Amanda Dobbins? Well, if you're doing supporting actress Boogie Nights.
1:15:19 Sean Fennessey? Well.
1:15:21 Sean Fennessey? I've got two thoughts.
1:15:23 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:15:24 Sean Fennessey? I don't, is it wrong to reveal the thoughts? They're both Boogie Nights thoughts.
1:15:29 Speaker 05 I, you're gonna be able to pick, so go ahead.
1:15:32 Sean Fennessey? Well, I'll take Roller Girl.
1:15:33 Amanda Dobbins? Fuck off. Yeah.
1:15:35 Speaker 05 I can't believe I got myself into this jam, you know?
1:15:38 Amanda Dobbins? Delete.
1:15:39 Speaker 05 I could have just done this earlier. Nobody was gonna take Bjornson.
1:15:42 Sean Fennessey? Well, there, there, there are literally three other characters in Boogie Nights that I wanna be able to draft. Obviously won't be able to, cuz I don't even have that many picks left. But the one scene star-
1:15:51 Amanda Dobbins? You could be in a committed relationship with, should you be saving this for Wildcard?
1:15:55 Sean Fennessey? I, it was never gonna get that far.
1:15:56 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's right, that's true.
1:15:58 Sean Fennessey? It was never gonna get that far.
1:15:58 Amanda Dobbins? But you could take it right now in Wildcard.
1:15:59 Sean Fennessey? There are many other complicated women that Paul Thomas Anderson has put on screen that I will happily consummate my love with.
1:16:05 Amanda Dobbins? You could, it doesn't have, you can take it now in Wildcard.
1:16:10 Sean Fennessey? No, but I, this weakens the supporting actress pool, like it weakens pretty prominently. This is Heather Graham's best performance.
1:16:17 Speaker 05 You may wanna run for president someday, so you don't wanna pick Heather Graham's Roller Girl as the woman you'd wish she could be in a committed relationship with.
1:16:23 Sean Fennessey? No, I need to pick an adult woman, like Laura Dern as Helen Sullivan in The Master. That's like, that'll be who I'm in a relationship with. It's like, I drafted a 48-year-old woman. Who's, who's responsible.
1:16:33 Speaker 05 I govern from the center.
1:16:37 Sean Fennessey? Well, there was, I've told the story before, there was a Details Magazine cover featuring Heather Graham in, um, all in gold. Uh, wearing roller skates, nude on the cover. Um, which I, it was a trifold cover, I think. It might have been a bi-fold. I ripped that cover right off, put it on my wall when I was a teenage boy.
1:16:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:16:59 Sean Fennessey? Heather Graham changed all of us.
1:17:00 Speaker 05 Cuz you love photography.
1:17:02 Sean Fennessey? I love acting, you know, I love, I love performance. I love the art of movie making. And, uh, yeah, Roller Girl, I think, kinda set the template for a certain kind of movie love. And her performance is really good because she does have this journey in the movie. Where she starts out as this like, fairly innocent seeming young porn star and eventually becomes yet another victim of the awful nature of that world in that time. And kinda like strikes back and needs to defend herself, but then also gets caught in the throes of addiction and, it's just a really good use of Heather Graham's skills. And you know- We were talking about Sydney Sweeney earlier.
1:17:39 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:17:39 Sean Fennessey? And they have a very similar, I think they're gonna have very similar trajectories.
1:17:43 Speaker 05 Heather Graham? You think Sydney Sweeney is gonna have Heather Graham's career?
1:17:47 Sean Fennessey? I think that they're confronted by the same problems in terms of how they're cast. You know, like you have to fight to not get typecast if you want to be taken seriously as an actor, if you are someone like Heather Graham or Sydney Sweeney.
1:17:57 Speaker 05 Right.
1:17:58 Sean Fennessey? And, you know, like Heather Graham got her start in Drugstore Cowboy.
1:18:01 Speaker 05 That's true.
1:18:02 Sean Fennessey? You know, like she started out as a very serious actor.
1:18:04 Speaker 05 That's true.
1:18:05 Sean Fennessey? But she's also incredibly beautiful and so inevitably at first it's played for gags in Austin Powers 2.
1:18:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:18:12 Sean Fennessey? And then all of a sudden, you're in The Hangover breastfeeding a child on screen and then that's who everybody thinks you are in movies, you know?
1:18:21 Sean Fennessey? It's tough. It's hard out here.
1:18:23 Speaker 05 Yeah, you get typecast.
1:18:23 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Happy to get Heather Graham.
1:18:25 Amanda Dobbins? Bless me. Thank you.
1:18:26 Sean Fennessey? Okay, Chris.
1:18:29 Sean Fennessey? I got Roller Girl and Reed Rothschild.
1:18:33 Speaker 05 All right. So I got lead actor, I got lead actress in a controversial move. I have supporting actor.
1:18:41 Sean Fennessey? Freddie Quell is on the board for you for wildcard.
1:18:45 Speaker 05 What's that?
1:18:46 Sean Fennessey? Freddie Quell.
1:18:47 Speaker 05 Right.
1:18:48 Sean Fennessey? From The Master.
1:18:52 Speaker 05 But I would have to be in a committed relationship with him.
1:18:54 Sean Fennessey? That's my point.
1:18:55 Speaker 05 Right.
1:18:55 Sean Fennessey? Well, he might not be able to commit to you, but you could commit to him.
1:18:59 Speaker 05 I think that I will have a little bit of fun here and take from my one scene wonder, Philip Seymour Hoffman as the mattress man in Punch Drunk Love.
1:19:09 Sean Fennessey? I think that's a number one overall pick. I think.
1:19:12 Amanda Dobbins? I've got a couple of ideas, but it's, yeah, it's pretty good.
1:19:15 Speaker 05 I don't really even know what to say about this. Shut the fuck up. You know, like it's just really, uh, one of my, one of those like this movie leaves planet Earth when that happens and you're just like, anything could happen for the rest of this film. I believe it. He's in two scenes, I think technically in this film, but the phone is the really, the main one.
1:19:34 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:19:34 Speaker 05 Great phone acting. Really, really good phone acting. Like I wonder, they must have done that conversation like for real.
1:19:42 Sean Fennessey? I wonder. That's a good question. Um, yeah, it's amazing. There are some bonus materials on the Blu-ray that feature the Mattress Man commercial that I think people should check out. I think it's on YouTube as well. There is some cutting room store, cutting room floor stuff with Hoffman, but um, yeah, shut, shut, shut, shut, shut is the best. Uh, okay. Dobbins, you got two picks.
1:20:04 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, I have two. Uh, in lead actor, I'm gonna take Reynolds Woodcock, which, you know, you guys, I mean, maybe you wanna be in a committed relationship with him. Um,
1:20:13 Speaker 05 I
1:20:14 Sean Fennessey? Clothes would be nice.
1:20:14 Amanda Dobbins? I honestly, like,
1:20:15 Sean Fennessey? Seems dangerous.
1:20:16 Amanda Dobbins? I could, I could go back and forth on it.
1:20:18 Sean Fennessey? Poison involved there.
1:20:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but you wouldn't have to be taking it in that.
1:20:22 Sean Fennessey? You're just dealing with it. It's like, I accidentally licked my fingers one day.
1:20:27 Amanda Dobbins? This is the funniest, um, and most memorable and like instantly quotable of, of all the characters and performances. So, so funny and useful in everyday life. You know, I really do feel like if either I am just, you know, displaying Reynolds Woodcock-esque energy or my partner is, or you are, or, you know, my podcast partner, I guess. Um,
1:20:54 Sean Fennessey? When, when would I be exhibiting Reynolds Woodcock energy?
1:20:57 Amanda Dobbins? I rewatched the asparagus scene this morning, which is...
1:21:00 Sean Fennessey? Do you have a gun?
1:21:03 Amanda Dobbins? Are you a special agent sent here to ruin my evening? I mean, it's really, really so good. But also, the breakfast scene, the, the first one with the, the free ala? And the, I cannot begin my day with a confrontation. Please. It's really...
1:21:18 Sean Fennessey? But I love, I love the order, the ordering breakfast.
1:21:21 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah, the order is so good.
1:21:23 Sean Fennessey? And then meeting, and her noticing him and, and, and him noticing her back. And that, that scene is magic.
1:21:28 Amanda Dobbins? And the scene when they're, when he's fitting her, that is, you know, essentially the sex scene, but so is, so is the eating scene. Then the first breakfast when she's spreading the toast and the sound mix is just so, it's like so, so loud. It's, I mean, I, this, this is my favorite PTA movie. I really love it. So, um, I'm very happy to have that. And then, I also have lead actress, but...
1:21:50 Sean Fennessey? Wait, I don't understand. You took Tom Cruise as Frank T.J. Mackie in lead actor, so you're taking...
1:21:54 Amanda Dobbins? No, I'm taking, I took him in supporting.
1:21:56 Sean Fennessey? Oh, you took him in supporting? Got it. Okay, got it.
1:21:58 Amanda Dobbins? Because to me, Magnolia is all supporting performances. And maybe, I think we can all draft according to, you know.
1:22:04 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:22:05 Speaker 05 Personal preferences.
1:22:05 Amanda Dobbins? Um, so, I do need a lead actress.
1:22:11 Amanda Dobbins? But.
1:22:13 Sean Fennessey? Going to pass on that because you don't care for women.
1:22:15 Amanda Dobbins? Well, you guys already have your lead actresses.
1:22:17 Sean Fennessey? Yes, that's true.
1:22:18 Amanda Dobbins? So I think that I'm probably okay.
1:22:20 Speaker 05 I need a supporting, so this is going to get tight.
1:22:22 Sean Fennessey? He needs a supporting and I need a woman to spend the rest of my life with. This is the other thing I have to ask is Chris.
1:22:26 Amanda Dobbins? It's fine. I still have a couple of options because I, I see the work of women everywhere, you know, and I can honor them. So it's fine. I have a robust list.
1:22:34 Sean Fennessey? I just wanted to say not on my board.
1:22:36 Speaker 05 Especially me with UNESCO sites.
1:22:39 Amanda Dobbins? He's honoring that.
1:22:42 Sean Fennessey? Not on my board for spending the rest of my life with Disguised Paltrow's Clementine in Heartache.
1:22:46 Amanda Dobbins? No, same.
1:22:47 Sean Fennessey? Not a contender.
1:22:48 Amanda Dobbins? So let me, just for interest, let me bring this to the board.
1:22:52 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:22:53 Amanda Dobbins? In one scene, and this is a, this is a, I guess, like a parliamentary question, but also perhaps an existential question.
1:22:59 Sean Fennessey? You always do this and then you make us make a tough choice and then it kind of sours the mood.
1:23:03 Amanda Dobbins? No, this is not. This is a, you might have to explore something about yourself that you don't want to.
1:23:09 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:23:09 Amanda Dobbins? But yeah, this is about.
1:23:10 Sean Fennessey? Intoxicating. Perfect for this draft.
1:23:15 Amanda Dobbins? So this is for one scene.
1:23:17 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:23:18 Amanda Dobbins? Does Dirk Diggler's penis count as its own character? Discuss.
1:23:24 Speaker 05 Well, you know, I can't.
1:23:25 Amanda Dobbins? I mean.
1:23:25 Sean Fennessey? It's a great, great thought. It's an amazing thought.
1:23:29 Amanda Dobbins? Yes. And, and you two have experience with, you know, with, so you can decide whether.
1:23:34 Sean Fennessey? Also has a giant cock.
1:23:39 Amanda Dobbins? Well, yeah, there is a pathetic part of it, but also just like as a, is that a separate, is that a separate entity? It is doing its own work in the film, in the context of the story.
1:23:49 Speaker 05 Wait, sorry, this was for supporting. What is this?
1:23:52 Speaker 05 One scene.
1:23:54 Sean Fennessey? I love it. I love what you're doing.
1:23:55 Speaker 05 Something after I actually would be pretty into.
1:23:57 Amanda Dobbins? Exactly. See, this is what I'm saying. Either one, but like it is a separate.
1:24:01 Sean Fennessey? I fully approve and I think it's a great idea.
1:24:03 Speaker 05 It's great to see you iterating now that we're on draft 410.
1:24:07 Amanda Dobbins? Thanks so much. But so, okay, so it can be.
1:24:09 Sean Fennessey? I'm so glad it's not like, oh, well, they were actually in four scenes, but that's what I thought you were going to hit us with. And instead you gave us a scene with one key figure in one scene.
1:24:18 Amanda Dobbins? The movie is, is built around it thematically and structurally.
1:24:22 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:24:22 Amanda Dobbins? Pun probably intended and. I just, I think, but it's not Dirk Diggler. It is specifically his penis. So we're counting that as a separate character.
1:24:32 Sean Fennessey? That, that dick is like Harry Lime in The Third Man, where for an hour, all we hear about is like, this guy, this guy, this guy, and we're waiting for him to show up. And we're waiting for Dirk, because you know, the Colonel gets to see what Dirk is working with.
1:24:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:24:48 Sean Fennessey? Jack gets to see what Dirk is working with.
1:24:50 Amanda Dobbins? There we go.
1:24:50 Sean Fennessey? Roller girl gets to see.
1:24:51 Amanda Dobbins? But we do not, until the very end.
1:24:53 Sean Fennessey? Until the very end.
1:24:53 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, great. I'm so pleased.
1:24:54 Speaker 05 Nice job.
1:24:55 Amanda Dobbins? Thanks. Thanks very much.
1:24:56 Sean Fennessey? Great pick.
1:24:56 Speaker 05 I, so I have to do supporting actress here.
1:25:01 Speaker 05 This now kind of reverses some earlier logic, but I'll do Amy Adams from The Master here.
1:25:07 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:25:08 Speaker 05 You can argue that she is the female lead, but I wouldn't say the lead actress.
1:25:12 Sean Fennessey? I had her in lead.
1:25:15 Amanda Dobbins? It's like a kind of activism that's just not really helping us in the end.
1:25:20 Sean Fennessey? A kind of activism.
1:25:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, you're just like trying to put all these women in lead, and it's fine. These movies are about men. These are mostly supporting parts.
1:25:27 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:25:28 Amanda Dobbins? When she focuses on the women.
1:25:30 Speaker 05 So would you say Alana Ham is not the lead actress?
1:25:34 Amanda Dobbins? No, I do think that she is lead, because it's about the two of them.
1:25:37 Sean Fennessey? So my point of view on the female characters of Paul Thomas Anderson, to you, is utter woke nonsense, is what you're saying.
1:25:45 Amanda Dobbins? I was like, I think, you think you're helping, but you're not.
1:25:47 Speaker 05 That's right.
1:25:48 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
1:25:48 Sean Fennessey? Trust me, I'm helping every day.
1:25:50 Amanda Dobbins? It's like a form of patriarchy that's keeping us down.
1:25:51 Speaker 05 They're donating to Klobuchar, you know? It's like, just keep the money, man.
1:25:57 Speaker 05 Minnesota is not your problem.
1:25:58 Sean Fennessey? I can assure you, I was never ensnared in that trap.
1:26:04 Sean Fennessey? Okay, so you selected Amy Adams as Peggy Dodd in The Master.
1:26:08 Speaker 05 Yes, the crank master.
1:26:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:26:09 Speaker 05 One, two, one cranker recognizes.
1:26:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, we've moved on to the dick portion of the podcast.
1:26:14 Sean Fennessey? Two figures well known to pull.
1:26:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:26:18 Sean Fennessey? I, it's a great performance.
1:26:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:26:20 Sean Fennessey? Who was it supposed to be? It wasn't supposed to be Amy Adams. It was supposed to be... Because it was supposed to be Jeremy Renner as Freddie Quell.
1:26:27 Speaker 05 And Marion Cotillard?
1:26:29 Sean Fennessey? No.
1:26:29 Speaker 05 No, The Master.
1:26:30 Amanda Dobbins? That's what we would like, you know? It's always like, I think I was supposed to be Marion Cotillard.
1:26:34 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that would have been a little bit confusing, I think.
1:26:36 Speaker 05 I got you. Hold on.
1:26:41 Sean Fennessey? It was Reese Witherspoon.
1:26:42 Amanda Dobbins? That's right.
1:26:43 Sean Fennessey? That's what it was. And that's, that's, that would have been better.
1:26:47 Amanda Dobbins? You think so?
1:26:48 Sean Fennessey? I do.
1:26:48 Amanda Dobbins? So here's the thing.
1:26:50 Sean Fennessey? And she shows up in Inherent Vice in part because they wanted to do something together.
1:26:54 Amanda Dobbins? I, I, I love Reese.
1:26:56 Sean Fennessey? I know you do.
1:26:56 Amanda Dobbins? And I love her films. I don't think she fits in Inherent Vice.
1:27:01 Sean Fennessey? I, I love the part when it's revealed that she is also a stoner.
1:27:05 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:27:05 Sean Fennessey? And they're like hanging out and that's the real her. I think, I, the thing is, she is Peggy Dodd to me in real life. Like, this is what I think she's like.
1:27:13 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:27:13 Sean Fennessey? Where she's like a power driving.
1:27:15 Speaker 05 See, I think she's Lancaster Dodd.
1:27:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:27:18 Speaker 05 I think she's like, there, we are pushing into the AI future and I will, I will be, I'm getting on the lifeboat.
1:27:26 Sean Fennessey? Are they, are they, is her, is her organization really into AI?
1:27:28 Speaker 05 She's pretty fired up about AI.
1:27:30 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, Reese. I mean, that, that, that company's not making money, so they gotta figure something out.
1:27:34 Speaker 05 The Ringer does a really cool college football podcast called.
1:27:37 Amanda Dobbins? You're about to say something.
1:27:38 Speaker 05 Ringer Tailgate.
1:27:39 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:27:39 Speaker 05 And the, the first, after the first North Carolina game, Van and Joel were talking about what's wrong with Bill Belichick. And Van was like, he doesn't have any pep because his pep is being drained on a nightly basis. And I immediately thought.
1:27:55 Sean Fennessey? Peggy Dodd? You saw Peggy Dodd's face?
1:28:00 Speaker 05 Draining Lancaster's pep.
1:28:01 Sean Fennessey? That's a good meme for you to make.
1:28:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:28:03 Sean Fennessey? Is, it's, it's the shot of Amy Adams looking in the mirror and superimposed is Bill Belichick's face over.
1:28:10 Speaker 05 That wouldn't be weird. Yeah. What if that was my first tweet in six years?
1:28:15 Speaker 05 Just jump in, hey guys, missed, what's, I don't know what you guys are talking about today.
1:28:19 Sean Fennessey? You've missed a lot on Twitter in that time. A lot's been going on.
1:28:21 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:28:22 Amanda Dobbins? I'm good.
1:28:23 Sean Fennessey? Lot of news.
1:28:23 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:28:24 Sean Fennessey? Who's been following the news. Um, okay, Sierra, that was a good pick. Uh, Peggy will always be a lead to me, but then again, I don't hate women. Um.
1:28:37 Amanda Dobbins? Or don't you?
1:28:38 Sean Fennessey? So I have two picks.
1:28:40 Speaker 05 So you have Needle Drop and Relationship?
1:28:43 Sean Fennessey? No, I have Needle Drop, one scene star in Relationship. I love that we just changed Wildcard to Relationship. That's a very, that was a very good idea.
1:28:51 Speaker 05 Cause Wildcard, you could just be like, I love this awesome, awesome performance.
1:28:54 Amanda Dobbins? Right. I mean, I think I had some fun ones though, that I will no longer pick to be in Relationships, including all of the sisters from Punch Drunk Love.
1:29:02 Speaker 05 Right.
1:29:02 Amanda Dobbins? And the phone sex operator from Punch Drunk Love, you know, but I probably won't.
1:29:10 Amanda Dobbins? It's not a good financial decision.
1:29:11 Sean Fennessey? One scene star.
1:29:15 Sean Fennessey? There's a lot of ways to go here. And you guys have both taken your one scene stars. So I think it would be fun to talk through this category a little bit with you guys. Cause I don't think-
1:29:24 Amanda Dobbins? Wait, has he? Has-
1:29:25 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Chris took Philip Seymour Hoffman and Matt as Mattress Man.
1:29:28 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's right.
1:29:29 Sean Fennessey? And you took Dirk Diggler's penis.
1:29:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:29:32 Sean Fennessey? Now.
1:29:34 Sean Fennessey? This is really hard. I'll go from the bottom up.
1:29:38 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:29:40 Sean Fennessey? Benny Safdie as Joel Wachs, the-
1:29:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:29:44 Sean Fennessey? City Councilman candidate-
1:29:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:29:46 Sean Fennessey? In Licorice Pizza.
1:29:47 Amanda Dobbins? Silver Lion winner, Benny Safdie.
1:29:48 Sean Fennessey? Silver Lion winner, that's right. Henry Gibson is Thurston Howell in Magnolia, as the guy who needles-
1:29:53 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah.
1:29:54 Sean Fennessey? William H. Macy in my, uh, at the bar. Hong Chow as Jade in Inherent Vice. Jenna Malone as Hope Harlingen in Inherent Vice. Michelle Sinclair, AKA the porn star Bella Donna, as Clancy Sherlock- AKA. In Inherent Vice, Real Ones No. Martin Short as Dr. Rudy Blackwell at DDS in Inherent Vice-
1:30:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:30:18 Sean Fennessey? Is so fucking funny for three minutes.
1:30:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:30:21 Sean Fennessey? Harriet Sansom Harris as Mary Grady, the agent in Licorice Pizza.
1:30:25 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
1:30:27 Sean Fennessey? When she's like, "You are a fighter." That scene is fucking crack to me. Robert Ridgely as the Colonel in Boogie Nights.
1:30:36 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Powerful stuff.
1:30:39 Sean Fennessey? Philip Baker Hall as Floyd Gondoli- Uh-huh.
1:30:41 Amanda Dobbins? In Boogie Nights. Really, really, really good.
1:30:43 Sean Fennessey? I'm a simple man.
1:30:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Butter, yeah. Butter and lollipops.
1:30:48 Sean Fennessey? Feel free to say it.
1:30:48 Amanda Dobbins? Butter and lollipops.
1:30:49 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:30:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, we know.
1:30:50 Sean Fennessey? Uh. Bradley Cooper is John Peters in Licorice Pizza. Streisand.
1:30:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:30:57 Sean Fennessey? And I think I have to do this. Now, I'm getting a little bit Boogie Nights heavy here, but I have to, I have to take Alfred Molina as Rahajak. Yeah, that's guy you gotta acknowledge. This is, this is the, this is the best single scene thing arguably in his entire career. These other parts are really fun and funny.
1:31:12 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:31:12 Sean Fennessey? And Floyd Gondoli means a lot to me, but Molina as the coked out maniac-
1:31:21 Sean Fennessey? Has to be where I go with that. So that's, I'll take that there.
1:31:24 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:31:26 Sean Fennessey? Needle drop.
1:31:30 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:31:32 Sean Fennessey? I'll tell you one that hit me pretty hard.
1:31:34 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:31:36 Sean Fennessey? This is maybe not the most conventional one that you could go with.
1:31:39 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:31:40 Sean Fennessey? My conventional pick would probably be from Boogie Nights.
1:31:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:31:44 Sean Fennessey? And the song that I listen to the most that he's ever put is from Boogie Nights. But I'll, I'll take Journey Through the Past from Inherent Vice.
1:31:50 Speaker 05 You stole mine.
1:31:51 Sean Fennessey? By Neil Young.
1:31:52 Speaker 05 Them walking by the...
1:31:54 Sean Fennessey? They're using the Ouija board.
1:31:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:31:56 Sean Fennessey? And then they think that they have gotten a message about where to go to get something.
1:32:00 Speaker 05 Isn't that when they make out in the rain?
1:32:01 Sean Fennessey? Yes, and they run through the rain together and make out, which is beautiful.
1:32:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:32:07 Sean Fennessey? And...
1:32:07 Amanda Dobbins? And, and age appropriate.
1:32:09 Sean Fennessey? Yes. And it is age appropriate. That's true. And what film was that in, Sean? Inherent Vice.
1:32:16 Speaker 05 A lot of Inherent Vice. That...
1:32:18 Sean Fennessey? It's coming back.
1:32:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:32:19 Sean Fennessey? It's coming back in a big way. Inherent Vice is, I mean, it's a pension season, you know, for, for PTA. You could make the case that what is so great about One Battle After Another is what held Inherent Vice back a little bit, which is that using the material as a jumping off point as opposed to the source text. Inherent Vice is like literally line for line stuff out of the book is in the movie. That's not the case for One Battle After Another. But yeah, I love that one. There's another one I would love to talk through, but I, you know, I know Chris still has to pick in this category, so I won't stomp all over everything. Okay, CR.
1:32:52 Speaker 05 For...
1:32:56 Speaker 05 Well, for Needle Drop, I'll just get this out of the way because I'll leave, I'll leave the relationship talk to the end. Uh, I'll do...
1:33:05 Speaker 05 I'll do God Only Knows from, from Boogie Nights.
1:33:08 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:33:08 Speaker 05 Just because of the way that it's employed is just like, it's, it's so bittersweet because like, you know, you think a bunch of those characters do have like nice-ish endings, but I always remember Roller Girl like staring out the window in class and be like, ugh, like, you know, like, and it's the way that that drops with Cheadle coming out to do the ad or whatever is just so great.
1:33:29 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. It's an, I, how did he even, how did he even get that song?
1:33:33 Speaker 05 I don't even understand whether like it's hard to get songs anymore. I was watching like, there's like Amazon shows that it's just like, here's With or Without You. And I was like, isn't this expensive?
1:33:43 Sean Fennessey? I know, everything that we were taught in the 90s about the challenges of securing songs is over.
1:33:47 Speaker 05 That's a great one. Robert Plant, a letter to ask. It's like, no, I don't think so.
1:33:51 Sean Fennessey? The, the one that I would have chosen from Boogie Nights is Do Your Thing, which is the song that is used, Charles Wright and the Watts 103rd Street Band that is played during the sequence when Little Bill discovers that his wife is cheating on him again in the bedroom and he goes out to his car and gets a gun at the New Year's Eve party on December 31st, 1979. And that scene, I would just encourage people to re-watch it if you want to see the masterclass in editing and pacing in a story where the way that the music fits to what is happening in the sequence is unbelievable. And that song is so cool because starts out like a regular funk song and then it turns into a really weird electric guitar solo jazz freak out. And it ends, the final note of the song is the final note of the scene is the gunshot.
1:34:36 Sean Fennessey? And it's not the most beloved song of all time, but it is such a perfect use of music in movies. He does this over and over.
1:34:43 Speaker 05 Would you say that Nina Hartley would be the person you would also want to be in a committed relationship with?
1:34:46 Sean Fennessey? We're not there yet, Chris. I have to wait because Amanda has two picks before I can talk about all the porn stars who appeared in all of these films whom I love.
1:34:56 Amanda Dobbins? So I have, in lead actress, I'm going to take Emily Watson as Lena Leonard in Punch Dr. Love, which is a favorite of mine, PTA wise. And also, like,
1:35:09 Amanda Dobbins? she has to be believable as someone who would actually be interested in the Sandler character, you know, despite everything that's going on. But when they're sitting across from each other and he's explaining the Pudding's, like, frequent flyer miles scheme. And she is, she's not like, what a weirdo. She is like, warm and interested and intrigued and like, it's, it's, it's very lovely. And I think it's very hard to be that present when you're just kind of like the girl and the object of this person. And she's not quite the girl. So she's, she has more to do. So that's a good performance. And then who do I want to be in a relationship with? Okay.
1:35:50 Sean Fennessey? You've got an amazing murder row of guys left.
1:35:53 Amanda Dobbins? It's, I do, well, you, I could also, you know, I'm deleting Peggy Dodd here from this list because that's been drafted.
1:36:01 Sean Fennessey? Oh, you're toying with spending the rest of your life with a woman?
1:36:04 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, I, listen, you gotta keep all your options open.
1:36:07 Speaker 05 To spec.
1:36:08 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
1:36:08 Sean Fennessey? It is, it absolutely is.
1:36:10 Amanda Dobbins? I do, I think that all the sisters-
1:36:13 Sean Fennessey? Little Bill dies, just for the record, I don't think he's-
1:36:15 Amanda Dobbins? Love long time would be like a little alarming for me, but they're really good.
1:36:19 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Marilyn Raskin, you know, she's, she's, she's a goat.
1:36:22 Amanda Dobbins? She means well. Okay, so there's, there's the practical choice here.
1:36:29 Amanda Dobbins? Which is just like-
1:36:30 Speaker 05 Well, yes, it will-
1:36:31 Sean Fennessey? Just a point of order question.
1:36:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
1:36:33 Sean Fennessey? Is Dirk Diggler off the board right now?
1:36:35 Amanda Dobbins? No, well, for that's the thing. No, right.
1:36:38 Sean Fennessey? But just in general?
1:36:38 Amanda Dobbins? Well, this is what I was asking, because I drafted his penis.
1:36:42 Sean Fennessey? So if I were to draft him, would he be cockless? Like, is that, and you, you retain rights to his member?
1:36:47 Amanda Dobbins? I think so.
1:36:48 Sean Fennessey? And then he is a eunuch with me?
1:36:51 Amanda Dobbins? I guess so, yeah, which is in some ways, you know, some of the tension of the-
1:36:55 Speaker 05 You'd never know, yeah.
1:36:56 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah. I'm ready to shoot, Jack!
1:37:00 Amanda Dobbins? You want to spend the rest of your life with him in a committed relationship?
1:37:03 Sean Fennessey? I really do not.
1:37:05 Speaker 05 You guys probably have similar taste in action movies, though.
1:37:07 Sean Fennessey? Me and Dirk?
1:37:08 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:37:08 Sean Fennessey? He's kind of a skydance guy.
1:37:10 Amanda Dobbins? So, like, the practical answer here, just, you know, on paper, the, this is a person who you can probably, I don't know, who's good-hearted, unless I'm forgetting a part of the movie where he does something fucked up, but I don't think so. Anyway, Phil Parma, AKA Philip Seymour Hoffman, in Magnolia.
1:37:30 Sean Fennessey? That's nice, yeah.
1:37:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:37:32 Sean Fennessey? Another guy who wants to crank it, sure.
1:37:34 Amanda Dobbins? But, you know, but you, you want that in a committed relationship, right? And then just, but this, you know, this is the scene in the movie, you want someone- Now, here's the thing, would that actually, would that niceness become a little boring?
1:37:45 Speaker 05 Well, it's also like, when you're like, honey, how was your day?
1:37:48 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:37:49 Speaker 05 Not a lot of laughs.
1:37:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, which then leads us to Bradley Cooper as John Peters.
1:37:56 Speaker 05 My god.
1:37:58 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I, I didn't say that to unpicking, I said I'm going through the options here. You know, like, there, there is a lot going on, but like, good enough for Barbra Streisand.
1:38:08 Speaker 05 What about Eli Sunday?
1:38:09 Amanda Dobbins? Good enough for me.
1:38:10 Sean Fennessey? Why not, why not Paul and Eli Sunday together?
1:38:12 Amanda Dobbins? And, listen, it's a nice house.
1:38:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, John Peters's house?
1:38:16 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I, I might be Barbra Streisand, I don't, you know, so that's tricky, but it's, you would never get bored. But then I think that honestly, on my list here-
1:38:29 Amanda Dobbins? I'm not gonna get into the age debate, so it's a small character.
1:38:36 Sean Fennessey? Are you picking Cooper Hoffman?
1:38:37 Amanda Dobbins? No, I said I'm not getting into the age debate.
1:38:41 Sean Fennessey? He's of age now. Now?
1:38:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but in the movie, you know, like we're here revising it.
1:38:46 Sean Fennessey? Wait, what was the fucking movie that I saw that had a direct lift? Oh, Freaky or Friday had a direct lift of Licorice Pizza?
1:38:53 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, really?
1:38:53 Sean Fennessey? Oh, yeah, it's like she's- It's a purposeful homage? Yeah. Do you see Freaky or Friday? But isn't it, she's like old, dating a young guy? No. Like her soul is old? No, that is in the movie, but there is a visual, I think they shot at the same school. And there's a scene where they're walking, you know, there's like that walkway with the overhang in Licorice Pizza?
1:39:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:39:12 Sean Fennessey? That is recreated perfectly in Freaky or Friday, and I was like, are the filmmakers nodding to the 2022 masterpiece Licorice Pizza?
1:39:20 Amanda Dobbins? Why not?
1:39:21 Sean Fennessey? Maybe they are.
1:39:22 Amanda Dobbins? Because, you know, young women have wide tastes and probably also enjoy Freaky or Friday and Licorice Pizza. There you go.
1:39:28 Sean Fennessey? Great, okay. What an incredible pod for women.
1:39:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's what we're doing here.
1:39:32 Sean Fennessey? Against all odds. They've got Dirk Diggler's cock, you know, they've got all these great performances.
1:39:38 Amanda Dobbins? Do you guys remember?
1:39:39 Sean Fennessey? So you're not picking Phil Hardman?
1:39:41 Amanda Dobbins? I'm doing Lance Branigan, who is Skylar Kazondo's character.
1:39:48 Sean Fennessey? I wasn't sure where to put him. It's like, is he a one-scene star? Is he a supporting actor?
1:39:52 Amanda Dobbins? You know, I mean, he's definitely got charisma. I really relate to the dinner scene where just absolutely putting your foot in your mouth around the dad and all the other people, you know, we've all been there.
1:40:03 Sean Fennessey? Him throwing it at Alana Heim on the plane is elite.
1:40:05 Amanda Dobbins? It's so funny stuff. So that seems like that would be funny.
1:40:10 Sean Fennessey? He's thriving.
1:40:11 Amanda Dobbins? Right. What's he do at the newspaper?
1:40:13 Sean Fennessey? He's a photographer.
1:40:14 Amanda Dobbins? He puts things right into the CMS.
1:40:16 Sean Fennessey? But he also has relationships that help draw out necessary investigative information.
1:40:22 Amanda Dobbins? We saw that.
1:40:23 Sean Fennessey? He was a critical part of that. So did you see the film Superman? Yeah. We talked about this, didn't we? No, I think on the watch you talked about.
1:40:30 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, I thought it was good.
1:40:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's good.
1:40:32 Speaker 05 Yeah. Did you guys see what the new Superman is about? Yeah.
1:40:36 Amanda Dobbins? Sean told me two minutes ago before we started the podcast.
1:40:39 Sean Fennessey? It was actually Chris who told you, so that tells you a lot about how you see men.
1:40:42 Speaker 05 For the purposes of the pod.
1:40:44 Sean Fennessey? Which is we're not all the same.
1:40:45 Amanda Dobbins? Teaming up, you know, to fight another evil.
1:40:47 Sean Fennessey? Yes, Lex and Supes.
1:40:49 Amanda Dobbins? One, one and the other, you know, I don't know.
1:40:52 Sean Fennessey? Do you think that that film will then be accused of valorizing billionaires?
1:40:57 Speaker 05 Uh, it's possible, but who knows, you know, depends on who actually winds up releasing it.
1:41:02 Sean Fennessey? Very good point. Okay, Chris Ryan, Amanda, you're done.
1:41:06 Amanda Dobbins? I'm done.
1:41:06 Sean Fennessey? You're, you are wedded to Lance Branigan.
1:41:10 Speaker 05 Well, you don't have to be married. You don't have to put a ring on it. You just date the person.
1:41:14 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:41:14 Speaker 05 You know, along the same lines as Amanda, she was saying how would this, you know, you could say like, wouldn't it be cool to date Shasta? But I think it would probably get pretty one note after a while.
1:41:23 Sean Fennessey? Completely disagree, but continue. Yeah.
1:41:25 Amanda Dobbins? We know.
1:41:26 Speaker 05 I like to keep things lively and that's why I'm going to be in a committed relationship with Claudia Gator.
1:41:35 Sean Fennessey? How would your ears handle the volume at which she likes to hear music?
1:41:38 Speaker 05 I don't know. If I was doing a blow, I'd probably be like, sounds great.
1:41:44 Sean Fennessey? You and Claudia Gator would get into some trouble, I think. I think you guys would get into some trouble.
1:41:48 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:41:49 Sean Fennessey? She, do you think that by the end of the movie, she's okay?
1:41:51 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think she's on her way to being a little bit better off.
1:41:54 Sean Fennessey? You think she and Jim Curing make it?
1:41:56 Speaker 05 Bored of him.
1:41:57 Sean Fennessey? You do?
1:41:58 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:41:58 Sean Fennessey? Oh.
1:41:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:41:59 Sean Fennessey? And that's kind of like, who are you afraid about being bored of?
1:42:01 Speaker 05 She was afraid.
1:42:02 Amanda Dobbins? Phil Parma.
1:42:02 Speaker 05 Phil Parma.
1:42:02 Sean Fennessey? Phil Parma.
1:42:03 Speaker 05 So maybe like, yeah.
1:42:05 Amanda Dobbins? Magnolia, everyone's in their feelings too much to, to, to be with them long-term, you know?
1:42:10 Speaker 05 My true answer would have been.
1:42:11 Sean Fennessey? If you could, would you be with TJ Mackey?
1:42:13 Speaker 05 My true answer would have been Reese from Inherent, but, but you took her.
1:42:17 Sean Fennessey? I didn't take her.
1:42:18 Speaker 05 Somebody took her, right?
1:42:19 Amanda Dobbins? No, we just talked about her.
1:42:20 Sean Fennessey? No, Deputy District Attorney Penny Kimball?
1:42:22 Speaker 05 Then I'm, I'm with her.
1:42:24 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:42:24 Speaker 05 Yeah. I'm with her.
1:42:26 Sean Fennessey? So it's like, uh, an attorney in the streets and a freak in the sheets.
1:42:32 Speaker 05 She just seems like a gray hang.
1:42:33 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:42:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:42:34 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:42:35 Sean Fennessey? All right. So would you have one more?
1:42:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:42:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I'm obviously taking Shasta F. Hepworth. I would like Catherine Waterston destroy my life.
1:42:45 Sean Fennessey? The whole movie is about. Not being able to get over. You can't get over what some, the hacks that someone put on you, you know, when someone comes along who has that incredible power that she has in that movie and the whole first scene. And then the whatever second to last scene is like, you just can't, you can't shake it. And, uh, yeah, for me, definitely. I mean, what are my other options? I'm not definitely not choosing Claudia Gator. That sounds. And not, not Nina Hartley? Well, I love Becky Barnett. Yeah. Nicole Ari Parker from Boogie Nights. Chocolate love. Most recently on in Just Like That as a documentary filmmaker.
1:43:23 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
1:43:24 Sean Fennessey? Yes. So I was talking with Eileen, uh, a couple of weeks ago about and just like that, which apparently the last season was like a war crime and.
1:43:31 Amanda Dobbins? I still haven't finished it. Did you finish it?
1:43:33 Sean Fennessey? No, I did not.
1:43:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Did Eileen?
1:43:34 Sean Fennessey? She did finish it. Yeah.
1:43:35 Amanda Dobbins? Wow.
1:43:36 Sean Fennessey? She, I mean, she loves it and loves to hate it and is obsessed with.
1:43:40 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:43:40 Sean Fennessey? That's like, that show is, is a religion to her, the original Sex and the City. But she kept talking about, you know, like the new characters that they added and then how they kind of like pulled back on some of them in the.
1:43:50 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:43:50 Sean Fennessey? In these future seasons because of the backlash and what was missing and what wasn't there. And she was explaining the Nicole Ari Parker character to me and I was like, oh, who plays that character? And she looked it up and she's like, oh, it's Nicole Ari Parker. And I was like, oh, Becky Barnett. And she was like, who's Becky Barnett? And I was like, Becky Barnett from Boogie Nights. And she was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And I was like, the, the black porn star who dates, you know, Buck Swope, like Becky Barnett. And she was like, I, that's not, that doesn't register with me. And I was realized. Has she not seen Boogie Nights? No, she's definitely seen Boogie Nights.
1:44:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:44:18 Sean Fennessey? But just that in my mind, I'm like Becky Barnett, one of the signature characters of the 1990s. This is one of the key women we've seen on film.
1:44:26 Speaker 05 Clarice Starling. Becky Barnett.
1:44:28 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Yeah. And she just didn't, she didn't hold a lot of, a lot of interest for Eileen. She said she was fine on the show, though. Nicole H. Parker.
1:44:34 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, she was fine. Yeah. Bad show. Don't know how it ends. She was, the, Carrie was writing a historical fiction.
1:44:41 Speaker 05 Yep.
1:44:42 Sean Fennessey? Historical fiction?
1:44:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, about the ghost or the woman who used to live in her Gramercy Park.
1:44:48 Sean Fennessey? Was she writing it in the fashion of her column from the original show?
1:44:52 Speaker 05 I couldn't help but wonder when the suffragette movement would come along.
1:44:55 Amanda Dobbins? Unfortunately, no. She kept being like, the woman did this. Like, the character doesn't have a name.
1:45:01 Sean Fennessey? She should have done it like an epistolary, like diary novel. In her Carrie voice, but set in the 1800s. That's a good idea.
1:45:09 Amanda Dobbins? Maybe that happens in episode eight.
1:45:11 Speaker 05 Maybe, maybe Carrie could like somehow time travel back to the Gilded Age and show up there.
1:45:16 Sean Fennessey? Now we're talking.
1:45:17 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:45:17 Sean Fennessey? That's some HBO IP crossover. So we have a great number of, uh,
1:45:24 Sean Fennessey? also rants.
1:45:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:45:25 Sean Fennessey? Honorable mentions.
1:45:26 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:45:27 Sean Fennessey? So we've mentioned quite a few of them. Not, not taken here, Dirk Diggler, not taken.
1:45:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:45:32 Sean Fennessey? Freddie Quell.
1:45:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:45:34 Sean Fennessey? Not taken. No Joaquin selected here.
1:45:36 Amanda Dobbins? I know.
1:45:36 Sean Fennessey? No Larry Dax Portello.
1:45:38 Amanda Dobbins? Felt sad about that, but.
1:45:41 Sean Fennessey? What do you think about one battle after another if it's Joaquin instead of Leo?
1:45:46 Sean Fennessey? I'm not saying that it was going to be. I'm just curious what you, because he was, he was on a Joaquin kick.
1:45:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I mean, I think it still works, but I, there is something
1:45:58 Amanda Dobbins? very special about, and softer about what Leo's doing that I, is perfect.
1:46:02 Sean Fennessey? I agree with you. Gary Valentine's still on the board, Cooper Hoffman. Because he was too young for Amanda. Sidney Brown, Philip Baker Hall's character from Hard Eight.
1:46:13 Speaker 05 Yes. Philip Seymour Hoffman's asshole craps player.
1:46:17 Amanda Dobbins? I don't wait for old people. I don't wait for old people.
1:46:21 Speaker 05 Sister's leg.
1:46:22 Amanda Dobbins? That was on my list.
1:46:23 Sean Fennessey? You know, I forgot to put him down on the one scene star. He would have been great. God, Philip Seymour Hoffman. I mean, yeah.
1:46:29 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:46:31 Sean Fennessey? I mean, Sandler is Barry Egan.
1:46:33 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, he's on my, on my leading men list, for sure.
1:46:36 Sean Fennessey? This is the movie, right, that resets the trajectory of his career.
1:46:41 Amanda Dobbins? Punch, struck love?
1:46:42 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, like, this is the movie where we were like, oh, yes, he can do this.
1:46:45 Amanda Dobbins? Right, yeah.
1:46:45 Sean Fennessey? And now is becoming increasingly more known for doing parts like this than the comedies.
1:46:53 Speaker 05 I think it almost feels more like he's doing the slop to pay to do J. Kelly or, you know, whoever.
1:47:00 Sean Fennessey? Happy Gilmore 2?
1:47:02 Speaker 05 Uh, I didn't see it.
1:47:04 Amanda Dobbins? All the, all the golfers are in it.
1:47:05 Speaker 05 I know, I saw some of like-
1:47:07 Amanda Dobbins? And I could ID them.
1:47:08 Speaker 05 I mean, that's, that's just-
1:47:09 Amanda Dobbins? There you go.
1:47:10 Speaker 05 You're a wife guy.
1:47:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:47:13 Sean Fennessey? Uh, Amber Waves was not selected.
1:47:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, like I said, I mean, I, I looked at, she's very, very good. It's, it-
1:47:21 Sean Fennessey? Just too depressing for you.
1:47:21 Amanda Dobbins? Pretty bummer town until, until the god only knows montage, sort of.
1:47:27 Sean Fennessey? Alana Heim as Alana Kane?
1:47:29 Speaker 05 Pretty good.
1:47:30 Amanda Dobbins? I had her on my list.
1:47:31 Speaker 05 Yeah, I had her on my list. Uh, I was, I had, uh, would you consider Kevin J. O'Connor's performance in There Will Be Blood a one scene wonder?
1:47:40 Sean Fennessey? I guess I think of it as supporting, but it's really only about three scenes.
1:47:43 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:47:44 Sean Fennessey? It's when he comes to the house, the swimming and then the fire, yeah. Wow, you see that? Look at that. It's like right off the dome. We just know exactly what Kevin J. O'Connor does and that's-
1:47:53 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:47:53 Sean Fennessey? That's why that, that day, I made that margarita for him. Best friends ever since. Um, Little Bill?
1:48:00 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:48:00 Sean Fennessey? Scotty J? Buck Swope?
1:48:03 Speaker 05 I mean, you could have just done a Boogie Nights cast draft.
1:48:06 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, we could have.
1:48:09 Sean Fennessey? One performance that I really loved upon revisiting it this week was Owen Wilson as Coy Harlingen. There's the scene where they're whispering to each other and he's a kind of explaining the entire plot and the world of the movie. And the Golden Fang and all that is magical. And that's what I was saying, when, when Weedhead Amanda comes around, whenever that is, in your 50s and your 60s.
1:48:31 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know.
1:48:32 Sean Fennessey? Just try it again.
1:48:33 Speaker 05 They've gotta like get, get weed back down to like at least the 1990s.
1:48:37 Amanda Dobbins? I just like, I don't, that's not, I don't relax like that, you know?
1:48:42 Sean Fennessey? How do you relax?
1:48:43 Amanda Dobbins? Well, but that's also, that's just not my vibe. I'm either having fun or I'm asleep.
1:48:49 Speaker 05 There's no third, there's no third way?
1:48:51 Sean Fennessey? Got it. Smoking like a true crackhead.
1:48:56 Sean Fennessey? Either having fun or I'm asleep.
1:49:00 Amanda Dobbins? I'm gonna say that's not my wavelength. It's important to know these things about yourselves.
1:49:04 Sean Fennessey? It's Knox just pressed pause on his phone 20 years from now in therapy. This is what my mom said in public.
1:49:14 Sean Fennessey? Okay, uh, what else? Todd Parker? Todd Parker? Thomas Jane?
1:49:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:49:23 Sean Fennessey? Who else?
1:49:24 Amanda Dobbins? No one said Paul Dano at any point. We just haven't said his name.
1:49:26 Sean Fennessey? We talked about Paul and Eli Sunday.
1:49:28 Amanda Dobbins? That's right, okay.
1:49:29 Speaker 05 Uh, you know, Guzman from Boogie Nights.
1:49:32 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:49:32 Speaker 05 Uh.
1:49:33 Sean Fennessey? TT?
1:49:36 Sean Fennessey? Needle drops?
1:49:38 Speaker 05 I had Vitamin C from Inherent Vice. I had, uh, Jessie's Girl from Boogie Nights.
1:49:44 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:49:46 Speaker 05 There are some sweet tunes in, in the master.
1:49:49 Sean Fennessey? Get the behind me Satan?
1:49:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:49:52 Sean Fennessey? It's an important one.
1:49:52 Speaker 05 Some jams that I like to throw on.
1:49:54 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:49:56 Sean Fennessey? Boogie Shoes.
1:49:57 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:49:57 Sean Fennessey? By Casey and the Sunshine Band in Boogie Nights is a big one. I think He Needs Me in Punch Drunk Love.
1:50:01 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
1:50:01 Sean Fennessey? One of the most famous ones. Wise Up by Amy Mann.
1:50:04 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
1:50:04 Sean Fennessey? I sing along.
1:50:05 Speaker 05 I'll sing along.
1:50:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Life on Mars in, in Licorice Pizza.
1:50:11 Sean Fennessey? What else?
1:50:14 Speaker 05 Do you think the categories worked for this?
1:50:18 Sean Fennessey? Well, it's not up to us to decide. It's up to the listeners to tell us if we've done a good job or not.
1:50:24 Sean Fennessey? Jack, do you think this worked?
1:50:25 Speaker 06 Hundred percent.
1:50:27 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you for your support.
1:50:28 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. And your, your, your brevity, Jack. You really.
1:50:32 Speaker 06 I was going crazy across three Google Docs and Google Sheets.
1:50:35 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, yeah.
1:50:36 Speaker 06 I honestly, I might have to listen to this episode. I blacked out like half of it.
1:50:40 Sean Fennessey? I feel good about it. Um, so you're excited for one battle after another?
1:50:43 Speaker 05 I am. I, you know, it's a shame that this draft wasn't as contentious as usual, but I think we had some interesting.
1:50:48 Amanda Dobbins? We had some fun.
1:50:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:50:50 Sean Fennessey? Who do you think won?
1:50:52 Speaker 05 I think we all did, because we get to live in a time where this man makes movies, you know?
1:50:57 Amanda Dobbins? That's really beautiful.
1:50:59 Speaker 05 Bella Donna on screen.
1:51:01 Speaker 06 You know Amanda is gonna crush the Instagram results with Dirk Diggler's penis.
1:51:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think you.
1:51:05 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you. I was thinking outside the box, but it was honestly.
1:51:10 Sean Fennessey? It's like you put a dick in a box.
1:51:11 Amanda Dobbins? Right. As soon as I saw the category, it was instant, you know?
1:51:16 Speaker 05 So you had, should we recap?
1:51:18 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
1:51:19 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, let's recap. Hmm, did you put it in the doc, Jack?
1:51:22 Speaker 05 It's up there.
1:51:23 Amanda Dobbins? You did, but it's.
1:51:24 Speaker 06 It's in both.
1:51:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but if you want to do it in this order.
1:51:27 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, let's do it in order.
1:51:28 Speaker 05 You go first.
1:51:29 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's right. In lead actor, I have Daniel Day-Lewis as Reynolds Woodcock, and lead actress, I have Emily Watson as Lena Leonard. In supporting actor, I have Tom Cruise as Frank T.J. Mackie. Supporting actress, Lesley Manville as Cyril Woodcock. In one-scene star, I have Dirk Diggler's penis. In needle drop, I have Let Me Roll It from Licorice Pizza. And in wild card, which is actually a committed relationship, I have Skylar Gazano as Lance Branigan.
1:51:57 Sean Fennessey? Chris, you're up.
1:51:58 Speaker 05 I have, in lead actor, Daniel Day-Lewis as Daniel Plainview. In lead actress, Julianne Moore as Linda Partridge from Magnolia. In supporting actor, Josh Brolin as Bigfoot Bjornson from Inherent Vice. Supporting actress, I have Amy Adams. One crank after another, Peggy Dodd from The Master. One-scene star, Philip Seymour Hoffman as Dean Trumbull, AKA The Mattress Man from Punch Drunk Love. Needle drop, I got God Only Knows by The Beach Boys from Boogie Nights. And I will go back and I will say, I was right the first time, committed relationship with Claudia Gator, CR.
1:52:33 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, you're changing it?
1:52:34 Sean Fennessey? Wow, good for you.
1:52:35 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:52:36 Sean Fennessey? Good for you. That's truer to your essence, for sure. Okay, in lead actor, I got Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd in The Master. In lead actress, I got Vicky Crepes as Alma Elson in Phantom Thread. In supporting actor, I got John C. Reilly as Reed Rothschild in Boogie Nights. In supporting actress, I got Heather Graham as Brandy, AKA Roller Girl in Boogie Nights. In one-scene star, I got Alfred Molina as Rahad Jackson in Boogie Nights. In needle drop, I got Neil Young's Journey Through the Past from Inherent Vice. And in committed relationship, I got Shasta Faye Hepworth, as portrayed by Catherine Waterston in Inherent Vice. Good draft. Fantastic.
1:53:15 Amanda Dobbins? Good stuff.
1:53:16 Sean Fennessey? It worked.
1:53:16 Amanda Dobbins? He makes good movies.
1:53:18 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, just nice to go back.
1:53:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:53:20 Sean Fennessey? Just pop them on.
1:53:21 Amanda Dobbins? It's really nice.
1:53:21 Sean Fennessey? Just hang out, let them roll.
1:53:24 Sean Fennessey? Is this dropping tomorrow? This is, we're gonna put this out in about seven years. So feeling good about that decision. Thank you to. I just want to say thank you to David Ellison.
1:53:38 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, you're Lord and Savior. Yeah. You're owner. You check the tapes.
1:53:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:53:42 Sean Fennessey? Love Taylor Sheridan. Yeah, you love The Tomorrow War and all of his other works. Jack Reacher, Never Go Back. Yeah. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Next week, we will dig into the Toronto International Film Festival. That and we will talk about Weapons with Chris Ryan and Amanda Dobbins.
1:53:59 Amanda Dobbins? Everyone at this table has seen Weapons.
1:54:01 Sean Fennessey? We've all seen Weapons. Okay. See you then.
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