Encounters x283 - Time Slips, Glitches & Dimensional Shifts

We’re diving into one of our absolute favorite topics: Glitches in the Matrix. These are the moments that break reality — when time skips, locations warp, or you wake up in a reality where your ex is suddenly your current partner again (ah!). We're reading listener-submitted stories about dimensional shifts, memory blackouts, unexplained teleportations, and a familiar haunted hotel that has us phoning a friend. A Hotel Whitcomb elevator glitch that takes a group of students to a sterile, backrooms-style floor with chained cafeteria doors, vanishing women A red moon rises in the wrong direction, disappears, then shows up where it’s “supposed” to be. Multiple listeners who find themselves suddenly on the wrong side of the highway or losing hours of time with no clue how they got where they are A meditation sends one listener into a full alternate life… with an ex they swore they’d left behind. Reality might be glitching, but at least we have each other (and maybe a backup timeline just in case). 🌀✨ Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

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• 1:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 1:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone is sleep deprived. And it's Corinne.

• 1:33Corinne Vien?

  I have a baby, and that baby only let me sleep about three hours last night. This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost. And we are your ghostesses.

• 1:42Corinne Vien?

  I'm like about to cry.

• 1:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are you? Because you're so tired.

• 1:46Corinne Vien?

  I'm good. We're your ghostesses.

• 1:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corinne, you OK?

• 1:50Corinne Vien?

  No, my brain hurts. But that's OK because we're going to read cool stories. And then after that...

• 1:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We can put you in a sleep chamber.

• 1:56Corinne Vien?

  I'm just gonna find a way to recline this chair that isn't reclined and continue working in silence.

• 2:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this is Corinne.

• 2:04Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 2:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One of the Ghosts, and I'm Sabrina. We have a really cool topic for today, tonight.

• 2:12Corinne Vien?

  Actually, one of my favorites. If I had to rank my favorite topics, paranormally, this would be top three.

• 2:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, what else is on the top three list? I'm curious.

• 2:19Corinne Vien?

  Cryptid encounters, specifically in the woods.

• 2:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. My top three would be

• 2:24Corinne Vien?

  Aliens.

• 2:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ouija boards, demonic encounters, and believe it or not, I don't think aliens are my top encounters to read. Because I feel like there are some really incredible ones, don't get me wrong, but I feel like they're limited. I would say ghost photos over aliens.

• 2:41Corinne Vien?

  Ghost photos. I'm a little surprised you didn't say reincarnation. I think you really vibe with the reincarnation stories, too. But I guess they're so limited in terms of our inbox.

• 2:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 2:50Corinne Vien?

  Like ghost photos. So all of the above, I guess?

• 2:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't even think we've even said what this one was. You just said it was among the top three and listed the other two.

• 2:58Corinne Vien?

  Glitches.

• 2:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Time slips, glitches in the matrix.

• 3:02Corinne Vien?

  What is time? Are we in a simulation?

• 3:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100% we are. I can verify that we are.

• 3:08Corinne Vien?

  Everywhere, all at once. And another timeline, these microphones are hot dogs.

• 3:14Corinne Vien?

  And we're just bagels looking out on the landscape.

• 3:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want to be a bagel so bad.

• 3:18Corinne Vien?

  With googly eyes and a rock as a heart.

• 3:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What kind of bagel would you want to be?

• 3:22Corinne Vien?

  Um, a Parmesan.

• 3:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 3:25Corinne Vien?

  Rosemary with veggie cream cheese.

• 3:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, veggie cream cheese with the chunks of veggie.

• 3:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 3:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is like a

• 3:32Corinne Vien?

  They have to be a chunky.

• 3:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Homemade veggie cream cheese.

• 3:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, absolutely. So good.

• 3:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're making me so hungry.

• 3:39Corinne Vien?

  Cream cheese.

• 3:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can we order bagels to eat after this?

• 3:42Corinne Vien?

  I can't eat bagels!

• 3:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They have gluten-free bagels places?

• 3:45Corinne Vien?

  Okay, wait, did you know something?

• 3:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I don't know.

• 3:48Corinne Vien?

  Did you know anything?

• 3:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know anything, because this is me from an alternate universe where we all know nothing.

• 3:54Corinne Vien?

  And I can't speak because I'm glitching in my brain. Holy doughnut.

• 3:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:58Corinne Vien?

  Delivers now.

• 3:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Down to Massachusetts. What?

• 4:01Corinne Vien?

  I think maybe American wide. I only learned this when Brian surprised me with a shipment of gluten free holy donut, donuts, and you didn't see them. Why? Because I ate all twelve in like two days. Okay, but this is glitches and this is not supposed to be just a ramble, though my brain wants to do that. This is an encounters episode where we, we read the stories that you send, your encounters with the paranormal, with the bizarre, with the weird, the wacky, the macabre. We read them back to you and we're doing glitches.

• 4:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I think I will start.

• 4:31Corinne Vien?

  Please.

• 4:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'll give you a second to just breathe, sink into this dimension.

• 4:38Corinne Vien?

  Let's trade out our chairs for massage chairs.

• 4:42Corinne Vien?

  Right? Imagine I'm talking and you get to just zone out and not listen to me and just.

• 4:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We should just hire masseuses to come stand behind us as we record. That is luxury.

• 4:55Corinne Vien?

  My actual fear, like I, I still exist within me. I have a fear of the massage chairs at malls because I don't know why, but when I was younger, I convinced myself that they were filled with like trolls and evil little entities with basically Chucky dolls. I was picturing like small creatures with knives that were gonna like massage, massage, stab. So I can't send those.

• 5:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe in another dimension, that's what exists. We have some stories and I'm gonna start with this one from our listener, Abriana.

• 5:23Corinne Vien?

  Abriana.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's called encounters, the top floor doesn't exist. Hello, my name is Abriana. I love the community you two have built for your listeners. I'm slowly dipping my toe in and maybe will one day be brave enough to interact. Hey, you're interacting right now. But you ghostly pals have gotten me through countless workdays, workouts and commutes and have inspired me to explore my witchy intuitive side.

• 5:46Corinne Vien?

  Love that.

• 5:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is my first time sending in a listener tale and I'm using talk to text because every time I try to write it down, something weird happens. Weird. My phone will die, the email shuts down, something urgent pops up. So hopefully this works. Hmm. Seems like it did. This happened back in 2012 or 2013. I was 18 and had just been accepted into this film program in San Francisco. They housed us in the Hotel Whitcomb, which, fun fact, used to be a county jail or courthouse after the San Francisco fires. That's all I really knew about it at the time, aside from the fact that it was incredibly old, very grand, and has that old Hollywood glam vibe. When you walk into the lobby, it truly feels like you've been transported to another era.

• 6:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like Greta Garbo could just stroll through the double doors at any second. Beautiful. The program split us up into groups: fashion students, film students, photography, and editing. I was with the film students, and we were placed on the third or fourth floor. The fashion students were above us, and the editing students were below us. This whole thing lasted maybe a week or two, and I remember the moment my roommate and I were given our keys. We walked into our room and immediately felt off. Like we were intruding. Not in a scary way, but more like we had walked into someone else's living room. And I don't consider myself particularly sensitive to energy or anything, but I felt a distinct feminine presence, like it was her space. I even had this weird urge to say sorry, like I was going to move her things. Hmm.

• 7:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I didn't tell my roommate because I didn't want to freak her out, but I will never forget that feeling. Now, the bathroom in our room was at the foot of my bed, and it had the worst energy. And this is gonna sound weird, but in my memory, it had a dark green hue. Not the tiles or the walls, but the light and the energy in there felt green. It's like the aura of the room. That's not how lighting works, but that's how I felt and how I remember it. Interesting. That bathroom terrified me. Oddly enough, it became the first bonding moment with my roommate, because that night, she grabbed her bathroom kit to go shower, walked in, and immediately walked out and said, "Hey, this is gonna sound weird, but um, I really don't like the bathroom." I was like, oh my gosh, thank God it's not just me. We ended up agreeing to shower or use the bathroom with the door cracked,

• 7:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  wedging the iron between the door and wall so it wouldn't fully close.

• 8:01Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 8:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It made us feel safer. And then things got weirder. One day, we had free time to work on our projects and some students went out into the city, but a few of us decided, let's stay behind and explore the hotel. That night, someone down the hall, one of the students, was having a get together and his room was packed with kids from everywhere. Canada, Utah, Northern California, you name it. At one point, this fashion student walks in looking terrified. I noticed, but I didn't say anything. A few other girls walk over to him and soon they get really flustered, which made me curious. So I walked over and asked, what's going on? He told us that he was exploring and decided to go to the top floor. It was marked employee access only, but he was curious, so he pressed the button. When the elevators opened, he said it didn't look like the rest of the hotel.

• 8:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The hallway was white, sterile, with fluorescent lights, almost like a doctor's office.

• 8:52Corinne Vien?

  This almost reminds me of like the back rooms or like we are in a simulation and

• 8:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 8:57Corinne Vien?

  accidentally went into the back of

• 8:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There were two chairs, like a waiting room, and two doors, one to the right, one to the left.

• 9:06Corinne Vien?

  What, in the severance?

• 9:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The right one was a set of double cafeteria-style doors. The left one was a single door with a keypad and a thin rectangular window. He looked through the single door first and saw a hallway lined with what looked like office doors. Some had nameplates on them, like doctors' names. He assumed maybe the hotel had medical facilities or an in-house clinic or something. Then he sat in one of the chairs and went on Instagram for a bit. When he got bored, he decided to check out the double doors. He pushed them and he heard chains rattle from the other side, like they were chained shut. He managed to push the doors just enough to peek through and inside he saw people, people in robes and slippers, sitting around playing board games. Freaking out, he realized he definitely stumbled somewhere where he definitely should not be

• 9:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and took the elevator back down, which is when we saw him terrified. So naturally, me and these three girls, who I didn't even know, by the way, decided we should go check it out. Not my smartest moment. We got into the elevator he used, but we didn't see an employee-only floor button, just a top-floor button. So we pressed that, but when the doors opened, it looked like any other floor. We figured this guy was probably lying or just trying to mess with us, so we went back down. But then, one of the girls had another idea. Let's try to use the other set of elevators across the hall. Because the hotel had a mirrored layout, two elevators on each side, so we got into the opposite elevator. And this time, we did see the employees' access-only button. And it had a little keypad next to it. We didn't know the code, but we pressed the button anyway.

• 10:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To our surprise, the elevator moved. When it opened, it was exactly how he described. White, sterile, eerily bright, same chairs, same doors. We stood there stunned.

• 10:48Corinne Vien?

  Also, employees only? The employees are just hanging out in robes, playing board games? Like, what?

• 10:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To the left, we saw a woman, just her back. She was wearing light tan, high-waisted capri pants and a tucked-in white shirt. Very vintage-looking, like something out of a Marilyn Monroe photo. She went into one of the office-looking doors, disappearing. We all ducked, suddenly terrified of being caught. I even looked for security cameras. Nothing. So, me being emboldened, I crept toward the double doors, pushed gently, sure enough, heard the chains. I peeked through, and the room was empty. It was set up like a cafeteria, but now covered in dust. There were playing cards still on the table, chairs were stacked in corners as if no one had been there for years. I called one of the girls over, and she saw it too. Same thing, dust, abandonment.

• 11:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It looked like someone had set it all up, and then everyone left in the middle of a game and never came back. Then we turned to the single door where we had seen the woman on the other side go into the office.

• 11:46Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was now pitch black. The hallway behind the glass was just gone, like a void, like opening that door would suck you into a nothingness. We panicked. One girl started frantically hitting the elevator button. No one screamed because we were too afraid of getting caught, but we were losing it. When the elevator finally opened, we rushed in. And here's the strangest part: I don't remember the ride down. I remember everything else in vivid detail, but not that. Next thing we knew, we were back in the lobby. We didn't run, we didn't- Cry, we just kind of shuffled out dazed like we were sleepwalking. We went over to the bellman, who was an older guy, and asked him what was on the top floor that was marked employees only. He stared at us and said, there is no employee only top floor. We pushed a little bit more, asking about the area that's off limits, and he smiled and said,

• 12:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know what you're talking about, but hey, it's past curfew for students. And that was it. I don't remember going back to the room. I don't remember going to bed. And now that I'm thinking about it, none of us ever talked about it again. Not that night, not for the rest of the program. It was like we all silently agreed just to pretend it never happened, but I never forgot.

• 12:47Corinne Vien?

  I have chills.

• 12:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And to this day, I still don't know what we saw. A glitch, a time slip, a hidden part of the hotel stuck in another reality? The whole building had this feeling that there's too much happening all at once. Like there were a dozen different versions of itself in one space. That's the story that has always stuck with me. That's from Aubriana. She/her.

• 13:05Corinne Vien?

  I mean, like, I've never been more intrigued. I want to call this place and say, hey, do you have any?

• 13:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She also drew a layout of what going up onto that top floor looked like, which is so back rooms. Like the waiting room and everything, white, bright, sterile.

• 13:22Corinne Vien?

  And it also reminds me, so I just started Severance, so I'm on like episode four of season one. Like they just randomly encountered the room that has the guy who's like, they're not ready with like the little baby goats. So like this is kind of reminding me of that, like things like set up, things appearing differently for one person, not the other. But then it's like, I'm not remembering the elevator. I don't understand. If this isn't already on Reddit, I urge you to post it on Reddit because I'm so curious if anyone else, any other students, have ever encountered anything like this.

• 13:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or anyone who stayed at this hotel.

• 13:53Corinne Vien?

  Right. Wait, which hotel is this?

• 13:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hotel Whitcomb in San Francisco. Should we call them right now?

• 13:57Corinne Vien?

  Yes, but you do it because I'm shy.

• 14:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 14:00Corinne Vien?

  How are you gonna, what's your opening line?

• 14:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's, wait, it's just gonna happen. Wait, is it closed? Temporarily closed.

• 14:06Corinne Vien?

  Damn it.

• 14:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, this is actually crazy. I'm now I'm trying to remember because I think Payne told it to both of us. But Payne said that he was staying in San Francisco once at a hotel, and he got the weirdest fucking vibes from it so badly that he checked out and went to go stay somewhere else. And when he looked it up recently, it was closed. And now I'm wondering if it's the same hotel.

• 14:28Corinne Vien?

  Did you call him really quickly and ask or text him?

• 14:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll just call him. Let's see.

• 14:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi, it's Corinne and I. We have a question.

• 14:36Corinne Vien?

  We're phoning a friend and you're on air.

• 14:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're on air. So remember that hotel you stayed at in San Francisco that you got really bad vibes from? Do you remember what it was called?

• 14:45Speaker 04

  Oh my god, I found it one time.

• 14:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it Hotel Whitcomb?

• 14:50Speaker 04

  It's closed, I know that.

• 14:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Does Hotel Whitcomb sound familiar?

• 14:55Speaker 04

  If you send me the link, I'll recognize it.

• 14:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  It looked like a haunted house inside, like a tacky...

• 15:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It might be this.

• 15:02Corinne Vien?

  Now I need to look at pictures.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Top of a hill, but that doesn't do much for San Francisco, I'd say.

• 15:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Let me see. Because we just read a story from this listener that is wild and the hotel is now closed. We were gonna call them and it's closed.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  It might be the same one, I mean...

• 15:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just sent you the link.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  I toppled like eight hours that day on planes and I got all the way there and I was so freaked out that I literally just walked out the door and walked to a different hotel.

• 15:28Corinne Vien?

  It kinda gets haunted mansion vibes on the inside.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 15:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, did you see the link?

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Oh, absolutely, that's it.

• 15:35Corinne Vien?

  Oh, holy shit.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  What?

• 15:40Corinne Vien?

  We gotta... Suprema will read you the listener's story later.

• 15:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's crazy. Wait, that's crazy that you stayed at the same hotel?

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's definitely it.

• 15:47Corinne Vien?

  When was this? When did you stay there?

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Um, that was like 2019.

• 15:54Corinne Vien?

  When was this email sent?

• 15:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The email was sent recently, but they stayed in 2012 or 2013. Damn. Oh my gosh.

• 16:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh god.

• 16:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, thank you for verifying. I will fill you in on the rest of the story when I get home.

• 16:08Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 16:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You did well, thank you.

• 16:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, good job leaving it. You probably escaped possible abduction to other timelines.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah, I don't regret my decision.

• 16:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so wild. Alright, love you, Payne, bye.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, you too, bye.

• 16:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's crazy.

• 16:27Corinne Vien?

  Flabbergasted. Wait, quick search in the inbox for WICOM. WICOM.

• 16:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why is it such a hard word to say?

• 16:34Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. No, that's the only, only email in our inbox about this hotel.

• 16:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are there any weird Yelp reviews or Google? I mean, look.

• 16:42Corinne Vien?

  This is now, this just needs to be an episode on this place because what in the hell is this?

• 16:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Reviews. Very old world, traditional hotel. Interesting. Seven years ago, decent place to stay to sleep. If you're not going to spend much time at the hotel, they need to have more lights in the room as well as passages. It's all very dimly lit.

• 16:59Corinne Vien?

  Okay, wait. Reddit. The hotel I work at is haunted.

• 17:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can you say gloomy? The best way to describe this hotel, the energy is creepy in some of the corridors.

• 17:07Corinne Vien?

  Why is it so hard to find?

• 17:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh. Okay, this is now a huge call to action. Everyone who has stayed here or knows of this hotel, or if you live in San Francisco, you gotta tell us everything that you can find.

• 17:19Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. I'm flabbergasted. How do we move on?

• 17:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We can't. We simply must, though.

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• 17:48Corinne Vien?

  It's so great. It's such a good cheat sheet. And then even if you don't want to do the full routine, I love their brilliant eye brightener because I just slap that right on. I wore one of the shades of that to a little seance we did the other day.

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• 18:17Corinne Vien?

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• 18:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Toss, toss.

• 18:23Corinne Vien?

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• 18:38Speaker 00

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• 19:07Corinne Vien?

  All right, so I have one, and this is called Time Shift at one of the sketchiest places in Texas, Fort Hoot. What I'm going to attempt to describe in this narrative is an actual incident simultaneously experienced by three people. And this incident can best be described as human beings being the recipient of a divine shift from one place in time and space to another in a blink of an eye, with no warning, without fanfare, completely devoid of any stress or trepidation, and at that moment in time, for reasons unknown to any of those affected. Many tales of mystery begin with, "Oh, it was a dark and stormy night." And in this case, it was anything but that. It was a very normal and bright and sunny and shiny day in central Texas, and it started

• 19:52Corinne Vien?

  with a friend of mine and her wonderful eight-year-old daughter getting into my suburban with an empty, large, stand-up motorcycle trailer hitched to the back for a trip from Plano, Texas to Killeen, Texas. And then we were going to go back and pick up the remainder of my friend's father's estate that was in the storage building in the garage of Killeen. And the trip down to Killeen was southwest along I-35 and then west along Highway 14, and this was uneventful, both the girls curling up in the seats and sleeping for the majority of the way. Upon arriving in Killeen, my friend's uncle, and if I remember correctly, a cousin, met us at the storage facility where we loaded the majority of the furniture, the tools, ladder, boxes, et cetera, into the trailer, and then proceeded to the uncle's house to

• 20:36Corinne Vien?

  finish loading the trailer with a full set of her father's drums. And a very upscale bicycle.

• 20:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 20:42Corinne Vien?

  After everything was loaded, the three of us drove to Sonic. We had lunch and then we began to drive back to Plano, going east on Highway 14 out of Killeen to join up with I-35 about 19 miles east of Killeen. And somewhere along the drive on Highway 14, I felt a bump, bump, bump coming from the trailer. We pulled over somewhere along Highway 14 to take a look at the trailer. And what I found was that the right rear tire tread had separated from the core of the tire and had come off, but the core was still holding air. And because I had not brought a spare tire, we slowly proceeded east on Highway 14 to the next exit, where I was gonna have to stop and then call my insurance company and have them bring us a new tire. So just as we got onto the exit road,

• 21:25Corinne Vien?

  there appeared to be a country tire shop just off to the right. Oh, my gosh, talk about luck. We pulled in and asked if there were any new or used trailer tires that I could buy and have them balanced and mounted on the spot. We were told that the proprietor had no new trailer tires, but they may have a used car tire that could work and that this would at least get us back to Plano and that he would sell it to me for $60. All used tires were $60, he said. So it seemed like a great deal to me.

• 21:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sounds like a great deal.

• 21:55Corinne Vien?

  As he went back to search his used tire pile, I began to imagine what type of car tire he had. He already told us he had no trailer tires. So I was like, what is he gonna come up with? And then in about 10 minutes, he appeared with a brand new trailer tire. It still had the sticker on the tread, which was the exact brand and size of the original tires on my trailer.

• 22:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Convenient.

• 22:15Corinne Vien?

  He said he had no idea that he even had any trailer tires back there. Be as it may, there it was, a brand new matching trailer tire that he had found in his used tire pile.

• 22:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huzzah.

• 22:26Corinne Vien?

  Huzzah. Realizing that this was a new tire that he miraculously found, I began to imagine what this is gonna cost me. Probably 120 bucks, 130 bucks, I don't know. I asked how much? He said, well, since it came from the used tire, I could just charge you $60 like any other used tire, plus $5 for mounting and balance, of course. And I was like, alrighty, home run. So soon, we were back on Highway 14, headed east. With our new tire and having a discussion about how fortunate we were that the tire core had held air, that we were able to find the country tire shop with the new matching tire out in the middle of nowhere. And at this point, we were still about 20 miles short of the intersection for Highway 14 and I-35. Wow, I can really remember feeling as though the Lord was smiling on us that day.

• 23:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like this is about to take a real turn.

• 23:10Corinne Vien?

  Right? About the same time that thought was passing through my mind, I noticed that somehow we'd gone from 20 miles west of the intersection to about 20 miles north of the intersection.

• 23:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 23:19Corinne Vien?

  And this happened in what seemed like a blink of an eye. Thinking that maybe I had some sort of mental break, I asked my friend if she remembered going over the overpass that we would have to in the intersection. And she said, no. And we seemed to look at each other for one of those long, quiet, forever stares. But in reality, that probably lasted only a few seconds. And then it got very, very quiet for a little while. We talked about it later, and we still do now and then today. But first of all, I do not believe in coincidences. However, I do strongly believe in intelligent design. I also believe in the existence of good and evil, the light side versus the dark side, if you will. Hence, when I go back and look at the events of that day, at least the trip where we truly were beneficiaries of this sort of divine shifting, basically getting that tire.

• 24:03Corinne Vien?

  I believe in my heart, good and evil were no doubt having a battle over our lives that one day, or at least over our vehicle. There were just too many things that happened for no rhyme or reason in succession to even begin in believing in anything else. First, we decided at the last moment to stop at Sonic. That delayed us a few minutes. And then we had the tire that should have gone flat and a heavily loaded trailer come off, but the core still held air enough to get us off the highway to a conveniently placed tire shop in the middle of nowhere that just happened to have a brand new trailer tire that they had not routinely carried trailer tires in their used pile that was brand new that they didn't remember having. Well, that decreased the delay, putting us back on the

• 24:43Corinne Vien?

  road in record time. And then someone way above my pay grade made the decision that evil was just gonna win this one, probably because he was plain done with one of us for the day. And he just picked up my Suburban, my loaded trailer and the three people and shifted us way Beyond the point that we were trying to go, I still get a shiver up and down my spine when I think about it. And then I see my friend and her gorgeous daughter and the understanding of why maybe not the how becomes a little bit more clear. And this is from Skip.

• 25:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Skip, I'd be so curious if you could look on a map and find that tire shop to really understand where it actually is. Because what if it doesn't actually exist? Or what if it exists somewhere completely different? I don't know. I just feel like, yeah, it does feel like divine intervention, but almost in a not real reality.

• 25:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And also, okay, I do want to say one thing that I really appreciate about this.

• 25:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Only one thing?

• 25:37Corinne Vien?

  Well, how we received this.

• 25:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 25:39Corinne Vien?

  So this is Skip's story.

• 25:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 25:41Corinne Vien?

  And we were given permission to use Skip's story that he wrote down for this. But it was sent by our listener, Charlotte, who like basically knew her friend Skip had this story, had him write it all down to send us.

• 25:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 25:52Corinne Vien?

  So it's like a little, we've got a little pyramid scheme glitch time shift thing. But it is weird. It's one of those things where it's like, yeah, they didn't go anywhere like spooky dimensionally, like see anything weird. But it makes absolutely no sense. And it, it does seem like the kind of battle where it's like something perfect happens, but then it's like bad. It's, it actually reminds me of Jake, who I did blink with. He has, he and his friend Adrian have this saying like worst luck, best luck. But they have the worst luck and they get in the worst situations, but then the best thing happens in that situation. And that kind of feels like this.

• 26:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's such a weird thing.

• 26:25Corinne Vien?

  Back and forth, back and forth.

• 26:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know what I'd prefer. Actually, I just watched so randomly. I was just looking for like a, like easy thing to put on in the background because I didn't want to think. And I just watched, it's a Lindsay Lohan movie called Something of the Luck, but.

• 26:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh, is this the, the new one?

• 26:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it new?

• 26:42Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I don't know.

• 26:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I thought it was old.

• 26:43Corinne Vien?

  It's a newer movie. Um. Also, talk about aging beautifully. What a frigging glowing person. I'm like Lindsay Lohan.

• 26:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just My Luck.

• 26:52Corinne Vien?

  Just My Luck.

• 26:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From two thousand and six.

• 26:53Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 26:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's her and Chris Pine, and she's like this luckiest person in the world, like literally walks outside on a downpouring day and it stops downpouring. And then Chris Pine's character is the complete opposite where he has the worst luck in the world. And then they kiss and the luck switches.

• 27:09Corinne Vien?

  She Freaky Friday it again?

• 27:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, basically, but with luck. Yeah. I have one that is actually, this person, after experiencing it, has done a deep dive about the area and it is a common place.

• 27:22Corinne Vien?

  I love this.

• 27:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is from our listener CJ and it's called Glitch in the Matrix. Hi Corinne and Sabrina, I hope you two are well. Today, I want to share a weird glitch experience I had when I lived in Arizona. After college, I spent some time living in the desert with my mom in Tucson, Arizona, to save up some money before moving to Atlanta, Georgia. My time in Arizona was beyond spooky and gave me some of the most scarring experiences I have ever gone through in a paranormal sense. I'll share some more another day, but for this. My best friend Caitlin from home, I'm originally from Minnesota, came out to help me pack and move. But when she came down, I asked her, hey, I've never been to the Grand Canyon. This could be one of the last chances I have to just drive up there, should we go? Naturally, Caitlin is just as excited by adventure as I am and was like, duh.

• 28:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, in the car we go the day before I'm supposed to leave and we drive the six hours up to the canyon. The trip began very normal with the necessary Dutch Bros pit stops and photo ops along the way. And we get to Horseshoe Bend. It's bright, it's sunny, it's beautiful. Then we begin to make our way back. I turn on a podcast talking about John Titter, which Too Long, Don't Read. He was a time traveler in the early aughts that predicted a bunch of things and found his birth family where he was still a baby supposedly. What?

• 28:34Corinne Vien?

  What in the world?

• 28:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This episode, they also start talking about parallel universes and how easily we can slip into them, etc. Well, as we're listening to this.

• 28:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, so wait, what is this podcast called?

• 28:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, I need to find. As we're listening to this, a major misty fog begins to roll in around the red rocks. Low key, this is kind of spooky. The weather has been nice all day. The part of the canyon we're driving through begins to open into this bendy drive that has a straight drop off on the side and has big red canyon walls all around. At this point, we'd been hearing the sound of thunder but hadn't seen any lightning. But considering the fog, I hadn't thought twice about it. Until we're literally dodging loose rocks the size of bricks now littering the road. I'm talking full on swerving in a tight two lane road to avoid taking out- Caitlin's tires. In the hour since we had just come up this way, the road had been severely rocked by something nasty.

• 29:27Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 29:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Luckily, we get through it. A little disturbed, but no worse for wear. Jokingly, we say it feels like we entered a parallel universe, but we laugh it off. After all, the canyon always feels a little mystical. Cut to several hours later. When we're back at my mom's house, it's supposed to be a full moon that night. And there's this really pretty lookout that I wanted to take Caitlin to. We start our drive out of my mom's neighborhood. But I pause. Directly ahead of us is the moon on the horizon, bright red like a harvest moon.

• 29:56Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 29:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that's not what was shocking. The moon was rising on the wrong side of the sky. I had been living here for months. It always rose on the east side of town and sets on the west in the exact direction we were facing. But for some reason, tonight, it is rising in the west.

• 30:12Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 30:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I make a comment to Caitlin about this, and she says she'll get out her Planet app that shows where everything is. I'm still super shocked, but I pull out of the driveway, so I'm not blocking traffic. Caitlin is having trouble with her app and can't get it to work. We turn to look back at the moon, and it's gone, straight up disappeared, no longer in the sky. We both stop and stare. And I look at her and I go, um, maybe our elevation changed? Despite the fact that we barely went through one stoplight. So we keep driving toward the lookout. Finally, her app gets to load. And as we're pulling up to the drive to the lookout, her map is showing the moon is definitely rising on the east. We get to the spot, and sure enough, we see the moon where it should be. To this day, we've never been able to figure out what happened that night. But between the weird mystical storm in the canyon and the angry red moon,

• 30:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  we took it as a sign that it was definitely time for me to get out of Arizona. I also had a really weird glitch in Georgia. I nanny for a corgi about 40 minutes outside of Atlanta. Well, one night after I'm leaving this house, to start heading back to mine, I notice I'm feeling kind of weird. I feel like it's taking twice as long as it usually does to get home, but unfortunately, I was not paying attention to the clock. The roads are clear since it's later at night, and I've been the only car driving on the roads. Now, for some context, even though it's a 40-minute drive, I only really take three turns. They're so ingrained in me that I could genuinely do it asleep. I'm getting ready. restless now. I'm waiting for the second left turn that I need to make as I should be close to the Dollar Tree as that's my waypoint. Only the Dollar Tree never appears.

• 31:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This turn never appears. I keep driving and driving and I'm starting to get nervous because why exactly is this road never ending? Then all of a sudden I see businesses, only not the ones I need. Instead, I've somehow wound up on a different road that I know I would have had to turn onto about five minutes before at a busy intersection. And I know for a fact I didn't turn onto it at any point. I was so disoriented by it that I pulled over into a parking lot of a Dollar Tree, mind you, and pulled up GPS to just make sure I wasn't bugging. I wasn't. It is known as a joke in my friend group that I'm basically a human GPS and I can get anywhere without a map. So how did I end up making a turn without realizing it and having it spit me out so far down that I didn't notice on a drive that I make nearly every day?

• 32:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's bizarre.

• 32:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To this day, it still stumps me thinking about it. I've run through every plausible explanation and have considered that maybe I was just zoned out driving and took a turn at the wrong spot. The only issue is I remember making the drive the entire way and I only turned once at the very first junction leaving the neighborhood. So then recently I went down a TikTok rabbit hole of people reporting a weird time loop that they found themselves in driving out of Valdosta, Georgia.

• 32:48Corinne Vien?

  No way.

• 32:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hearing their stories, it sounded so similar to mine that it is really creeping out more than usual to know that it's happening in other parts of our state frequently. Okay, so it's not the same part, but.

• 33:00Corinne Vien?

  But still.

• 33:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All my best.

• 33:01Corinne Vien?

  Weirdness.

• 33:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  CJ.

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• 34:05Corinne Vien?

  It's pretty wild. But I do appreciate that there are other Reddit stories. But then it's like, what is happening? What is happening in the mountains here? Also, CJ talking about the red moon rising in the wrong spot. I don't know that I believe that it was a moon.

• 34:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I didn't even think about that. It is Arizona.

• 34:22Corinne Vien?

  It's Arizona. It easily could have been some sort of like alien.

• 34:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  UFO.

• 34:26Corinne Vien?

  UFO facade like situation. Following them and the speediness coming in. No.

• 34:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was two people witnessing it and the fact that the app.

• 34:34Corinne Vien?

  And the atmosphere is, yes, the app wasn't working. Atmospheric changes are happening where like there's a lot of discussions about like cloaking in clouds and like rain, random storms that like weren't predicted. And you don't have any evidence on like whatever the weather people use.

• 34:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. I think it was an alien.

• 34:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I didn't even think about that. But then also, yeah, it's just like so many things, like little things were just different and changing. It's easy to zone out, especially on a drive where you drive every day. But I also feel like something, something weird happened. Cause CJ even wrote that as they were driving, they started to feel a weird sensation, like physically in their body.

• 35:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And like, it's one thing to zone out, but it's another thing too, to like be kind of like what CJ was saying. Like be spat out so far, like going so much further than what you would expect for like the amount of time.

• 35:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:24Corinne Vien?

  You had to. I don't know.

• 35:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 35:26Corinne Vien?

  See, this is why I love these stories because I'm just like, what is the universe? I don't know. I kind of went road themed a little bit with my stories. So I have one called "The Time I Somehow Ended Up on the Opposite Side of the Freeway, Going Back the Way I Came Without Realizing."

• 35:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 35:39Corinne Vien?

  Hey ladies, my name's Carly. I've been listening to you for just under a year and I discovered you through Morbid. I'm also sending my paranormal experiences to you, but this story is about the time that I ended up on the opposite side of a freeway, going back the way I came without realizing.

• 35:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At least they didn't end up on the opposite side of the freeway going the wrong way. That would be terrifying.

• 35:58Corinne Vien?

  That would be awful. This is a short tale and exactly like what the title says, but few people in my life have heard this story before because I still find it really hard to believe myself. You could call this a glitch in the matrix, but I've always referred to it as my abduction story. Because in my mind, I was picked up and plopped on the other side of the road by something in such a small fraction of a second that I didn't even notice.

• 36:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I believe it because aliens and abductions are very tangential and related to stories like this that I wouldn't be surprised.

• 36:30Corinne Vien?

  I wrote a research essay in high school about abductions and no, this isn't similar at all because I think aliens are cool.

• 36:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was this before or after your experience?

• 36:40Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. We're gonna find out. I was 17 years old. It was my last year of high school. I was driving home by myself from a dance competition an hour or two away from where I lived. I was a competitive dancer throughout my school years and I would go back and forth to competitions for about four to six weekends total in the spring. And this is a drive I'd done many times alone and with my family throughout my life. Most of the drive was on a freeway. It was six lanes, three in each direction, and I was traveling home going east. It was very early evening, but it was a little overcast and kind of rainy. I was exhausted, but more physically than in a sleepy way. There's a large bridge that you have to cross before the last 45 minute stretch of highway on the way home. And I crossed that bridge and then I continued on.

• 37:23Corinne Vien?

  Five minutes after driving across the bridge, you pass under a pedestrian overpass that's lit with colorful lights. And I can't remember if they were a rainbow or if they cycle through colors, but I'm gonna call this Rainbow Bridge. Pass under the Rainbow Pedestrian Bridge going east. No more than 10 minutes go by before I pass under Rainbow Bridge again, but I'm going west. I was very confused as I'd been driving straight. I never turned. I didn't turn around. In order for me to turn around, I would have had to exit off of the freeway, drive over and overpass, and then get back on the freeway on the opposite side. Right. There's a whole ordeal to get onto the other side of a highway. You can't just like hop, skip and jump. Right. Yeah.

• 38:06Corinne Vien?

  Rainbow Bridge is the last or second to last exit going west before crossing the large bridge again. And shortly after passing the Rainbow Bridge again, I have to go back over the large bridge before I can even turn around. So I take the next exit after the large bridge. I get kind of confused. I've never taken this exit before. It wasn't really as straightforward as most others, but I do get my way back onto the freeway going east again. I cross the large bridge for the third time and then under the Rainbow Bridge and I drove all the way home. I don't know if I was listening to music or what time it was exactly, but I didn't get home much later than I was supposed to either. I could easily write this off as a dream because of how odd it was and how dreams can feel real,

• 38:49Corinne Vien?

  but the feeling and thoughts that I had in this moment convinced me otherwise. And also dreaming while driving. I don't, I don't, yeah, yeah. I remember feeling confused, but also confirming in my head to myself that I wasn't imagining things. And I remember specifically telling myself not to forget what just happened, to trust myself, because I could imagine my future self doubting this experience. It's easy to write off as an old experience when you no longer feel the emotion attached to it and it starts to feel a little less real as time goes on. And I do very much question if this actually happened now that it's seven years after this has passed. But I'll never forget in the moment confirming with myself that yes, I did just have to turn myself around after miraculously teleporting to the other side of the freeway. Love and light, Carly.

• 39:34Corinne Vien?

  See, this is so wild because like this is sort of like the glitch in the matrix thing where it's like, I feel like people talk about glitches where it's like, oh, I owned one shirt and now I have two of them in my closet. Or it's like this, the scissors I was looking For just went missing and now they've reappeared like 10 minutes later.

• 39:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:49Corinne Vien?

  When it's you and you're the one glitching in and out of existence.

• 39:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Similar to how Carly did this and like rationalized, I feel like when you're experiencing it, you try to rationalize it. Like maybe I did accidentally buy two or like one was this before I went to Mexico, I couldn't for the life of me find my passport.

• 40:06Corinne Vien?

  I remember this, you were tearing through.

• 40:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I truly went through every drawer, every bag, everything. To the point where I was like taking everything out. Yeah.

• 40:16Corinne Vien?

  And this was over like a couple of days span too.

• 40:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And I said out loud like to the house, I was like, can you please return my passport? And the next day, that night I searched, literally just opened a drawer, the one drawer that I had searched and emptied completely twice already. And it's just laying there. It's like, how, how and why?

• 40:36Corinne Vien?

  What happens to the objects when they get taken and they go missing? Like, is it ghost hanging on to them? Like, what's going on? But like this right here, like Carly, like maybe nothing's happening. You're just boom, boom, in and out of existence. And sometimes the timeline is, is wonky as to when that happens. And sometimes it's within the same like split second.

• 40:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We recently, as in last night, when we were on Campfire Stories, brought up one story that has really stuck with us over the years. There's two that I'm thinking of, but one that we referenced last night, a listener working in the movie theater and missing time. And like the video surveillance footage of them just like standing there.

• 41:14Corinne Vien?

  Like talking to their boss.

• 41:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:15Corinne Vien?

  Just, they were asked to take the trash out, I think. And then it was like boom. It was like 45 minutes of no memory and like odd behaviors.

• 41:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then it reminds me of, we read that listener's story, or you read it, where the woman had gone to fill up gas and then woke up naked in her bed. Ah, I have one to end us on.

• 41:34Corinne Vien?

  And but weren't all like the, the lights on in the house and like the windows open or something? Or yeah, yeah. It was like bizarre, bizarre, bizarre, bizarre.

• 41:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I hate these.

• 41:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right. Well, I have one to end us on. This is from our listener, Daniel, and it is called Encounter. I think I may have astral projected into other dimension me.

• 41:53Corinne Vien?

  Oh, this is so interesting because immediately my mind goes to all the stories where people are like, I think I might've died in another timeline when they get in an accident and they shift.

• 42:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:00Corinne Vien?

  And then it's like, well, what happens to the consciousness of that other person? Do you just like knock them out?

• 42:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 42:05Corinne Vien?

  Or do you just get absorbed?

• 42:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi there, ghosts. This is, my name is Daniel and I am a new listener. This was sent in 2022. And I came across your podcast after your wonderful collab with Ladies and Tangents.

• 42:15Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 42:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As a travel nurse, I spend long hours on the road each week and you two have really made those commutes so much less lonely. So for the story I'm about to tell you, it still confuses me to this day. I grew up 10 minutes from Lilydale, New York. So cool.

• 42:30Corinne Vien?

  Very cool.

• 42:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The town of witches.

• 42:32Corinne Vien?

  I know. I wonder if this person went there.

• 42:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, Daniel says, I am a practicing witch, so I have my fair share of paranormal experiences. From exercising a demonic portal in my apartment to seeing what I think was a physical manifestation of the goddess Hikate in my room. How cool.

• 42:47Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 42:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this one, I cannot decide whether it was a dream, a message, or if I have accidentally possessed another version of myself. Any insight or thought would be greatly appreciated. Okay, this past summer, I was working in Albany. I had been watching a lot of TikToks about reality shifting and I thought it was basically the new lucid dreaming and seeing as I have been trying to do that for years with no avail, I started doing meditations and watching as many videos as I could on the subject. So on my day off after breakfast, I decided to do one of these meditations. I laid down in bed around nine fifteen-ish, hit play and immediately fell asleep. I was dreaming. I was in some post-apocalyptic world, surrounded by crumbling buildings, covered in overgrown

• 43:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  vines, dark skies, and all of the colors were desaturated, which is common for my dreams. I was looking for my nieces who were hiding from something, but I couldn't tell you what. I turned into a building and there they were, huddled on a bed, looking. Started mixing some potions in an old sink and called it unicorn snot, which made my nieces giggle. Suddenly there was what I think was an earthquake and I woke up, or I think I did, because my eyes opened and I was in a brightly lit room. I believe it was a child's bedroom. I was looking up at the underside of a mattress, meaning I was.

• 44:02Corinne Vien?

  Like in a bunk bed?

• 44:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. So I must have been looking up at the upper level of a bunk bed. I could smell burning incense, lavender, sage and something else. I want to say mugwort, but I'm not sure. These walls were a light green and the blanket I was on was almost a Play-Doh purple color. The top of the blanket felt like that weird material that sleeping bags are made of. There was sunlight pouring in from a window on the wall adjacent to the bunk bed and I swear I could hear. Birds. When I sat up, I saw a desk with crystals and herbs next to the bed. It was a small room, just big enough for the desk, bunk beds and a dresser. And there were two other people standing on the opposite side of the desk. One of them I didn't recognize, but something told me that this was her bedroom. The other was a friend of mine, E, who I hadn't seen in years.

• 44:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was the former best friend of my ex fiance who we'll call B. I still talk to E, but she lives in North Carolina and I'm in New York. So I remember being very confused and I look at E and I ask, where am I? And she told me that we're at our friend's house in Asheville. I remember shaking my head very confused and asked Asheville? What am I doing here? I'm supposed to be in Albany. E gave me a very confused look and told me that B and I had moved there over a year ago. I instantly felt panicked. B and I had not ended things well. Things were so bad, in fact, that it took me over a year to feel comfortable in my own skin again. And we had ended things at the beginning of COVID in April of 2020. This was July 2022. I hadn't spoken to B in over two years and I wanted to keep it that way.

• 45:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So how did I get here and why would I go anywhere with him? I started taking deep breaths, trying to calm myself down while feeling like any moment B would come around the corner. I start focusing on the desk next to the bed and I asked E what they were doing. She exchanged a weird look with the other girl and looked back at me saying that we had been doing a lucid dream ritual.

• 45:46Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 45:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I asked what was in the ritual and the other girl spoke up, sounding confused as she informed me that the ritual was my idea. Again, I had no idea who this girl was or what was going on. So I sat there quietly at the edge of the bed. It was at this point that E left the room. The other girl and I just sat there waiting in silence. After all, I didn't know her. She was looking at me, smiling, but I could tell that she was appraising me, trying to figure out what had happened, just as I was doing of her and my situation. Honestly, I was really just panicking, wondering what I was going to do? What was I doing here? How did this happen? How am I supposed to get home? Am I safe?

• 46:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, who is this girl?

• 46:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Moments later, E walks back into the room, phone in hand, and said, "Well, Brandy says that confirms it." And just as I was about to ask, "Confirms what?", everything went black. I start opening my eyes again. But this time, I'm back in my hotel room in Albany, New York. I tried to sit up, but I couldn't feel my limbs. I'd say it was like sleep paralysis, but it was more like I wasn't in my body. I was there, but not attached yet. I remember mentally calming myself, grateful that I could open my eyes to this room and not Asheville, or wherever that other experience was. Slowly, I regained feeling, and as soon as my arms and legs didn't feel heavy anymore, I picked up my phone. It was only a little after 10:00 a.m. I had started the meditation around 9:15, so my nurse brain immediately starts tingling. It takes about an hour and a half for the brain to reach REM, or REM stage R, which is

• 47:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  the dreaming state. How was I having such vivid dreams after only being out for maybe an hour? Was it even a dream? It truly felt like I had been physically there, like I was looking at their world, like I'm looking at my computer screen right now as I'm typing this email. I could feel, smell, hear, everything, as if I had been there. What was this? My first step, message E. She's a fellow witch, so maybe she would have some answers. I opened Snapchat and asked her if she knew someone named Brandy. She told me she did, but she hadn't spoken to her in a while. I asked if she was a practitioner too, and E wasn't sure. I then described the other woman, and she said, "It sounded like a couple of people, but without a name or any information other than potential nationality and that she was a mother, she couldn't be sure."

• 47:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I told her about the whole experience, and she was like, "It sounds like you had a reality shift, or you were being shown what life would have been like if I had moved to North Carolina with Bee." When we were done with that conversation, I then messaged my coven mate. He's a mental health professional and high priest, so he was going to give me spiritual guidance, or maybe commit me. Either would be acceptable at this point, because when I relayed what happened, as well as the messages with E to him, he got very excited, saying that I must have reached an altered state while I was meditating. He also told me it might have been a vision of what life would have been like if that relationship hadn't ended, as E had said, or it was a message from my guides. But I really don't know. And what did E mean in that alternate reality? That confirms it. Confirms what? I've tried- Multiple times to recreate the circumstances with no avail.

• 48:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Same meditation, same time of day. I even requested that same hotel room twice, trying to do it there.

• 48:39Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 48:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nothing. Well, there is one thing that I definitely can't recreate. The day was July 5th, 2022. And when I snapped out of whatever state I was in, it was around the same time that CERN had turned on the Hadron Collider.

• 48:53Corinne Vien?

  No freaking way.

• 48:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Coincidence? Maybe. Could just be one of those things I'm not meant to understand. That is all. Any insight would be lovely. See you on the other side, Daniel.

• 49:03Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 49:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if also, Daniel in the alternate timeline was clearly doing some lucid dreaming type of

• 49:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 49:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  experiment at the same time as Daniel in this reality was doing their meditation? And it was the exact timing, so those two realities switched.

• 49:18Corinne Vien?

  Synced, yeah. Which I do appreciate that Daniel in many timelines, it seems, has the same interests and the same desire to try to do this shifting.

• 49:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then also, I'm so curious what Daniel from the other reality that Daniel of this reality switched with experienced in the hotel in Albany? Because there wasn't anyone in the room to talk to.

• 49:37Corinne Vien?

  Right. Oh my god, the confusion.

• 49:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, what does Daniel in that reality talk about to E and B who were there?

• 49:44Corinne Vien?

  And how scary for E and B to just be like, sitting there and like, watching a very confused version of their friend, sitting there being like, where am I?

• 49:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because they were trying to do lucid dreaming, not a reality shifting. That is wild.

• 49:58Corinne Vien?

  And it is wild too, because it's like two witnesses. And one of them is known in the present timeline.

• 50:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am glad, though, that Daniel, you were able to come back to this reality because clearly, that relationship is not, you're not in it for a good reason.

• 50:11Corinne Vien?

  But also, it's like, it just reminds me of all the stories of people who are like, I went to bed and I woke up in another place and I've never been able to go back. And I had kids, or like, I was in college, or I lived at my parents' house and now everything is different, everything is wrong. And they have to like mourn the people that they lost. Because they're, they shifted somewhere that's so dramatically different that like, they don't even have, those people don't even exist in their timeline.

• 50:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like The Leftovers.

• 50:37Corinne Vien?

  Which I never read, saw, I don't know.

• 50:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is based on a book by Tom Perotta, but they turned it into a TV show that is very, very depressing, I will say, but also So well-written and done. They kind of never answer it, but it's just like a small percentage of the population just disappears at the same time. And where they went, no one knows. Did they go to another dimension?

• 51:00Corinne Vien?

  Did everyone else? Do they ever come back?

• 51:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 51:03Corinne Vien?

  Oh shit.

• 51:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:04Corinne Vien?

  So it's not like that one, what's that one show about like the plane that goes missing? And then like four years later, it comes back?

• 51:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The 3300 or something like that?

• 51:11Corinne Vien?

  Or Manifest?

• 51:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, Manifest.

• 51:13Corinne Vien?

  Manifest.

• 51:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there's that show with like the group of people who all go missing.

• 51:18Corinne Vien?

  Weren't they like in space though, or something?

• 51:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But they come back and they have like powers.

• 51:21Corinne Vien?

  There's, there's so many iterations. Stories, so many, yeah, so many different iterations of it.

• 51:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's just in the reality we know that we're experiencing at this moment. But it's possible that we've skipped, hop skipped and jumped into other dimensions many times, like Berenstain Bears and the Fruit of the Loom logo.

• 51:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Where's the cornucopia? Where's that monocle on the Monopoly guy?

• 51:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if we just change like something really small about our podcast? Don't say anything about it.

• 51:49Corinne Vien?

  We changed our logo lately. It's like the cat's no longer there.

• 51:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like what we did for-

• 51:53Corinne Vien?

  There's ghosts instead. And they're like, what the fuck?

• 51:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like what we did for April Fools.

• 51:57Corinne Vien?

  We didn't do anything for April Fools. What are you talking about?

• 51:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Many years ago.

• 52:00Corinne Vien?

  Last year.

• 52:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but it won't feel like many years ago. Anyway, we love you all and we would love to hear about all of your weird, wacky, strange, unusual encounters with the paranormal, with glitches in the matrix, with time warps. Yeah. Email them to us at twogirlsmegos podcast at gmail.com. Follow us on social media. Rate and review us on iTunes. And if you want bonus content and all episodes ad-free and one week early, join us over on Patreon. You get lots of fun goodies and bonuses over there.

• 52:29Corinne Vien?

  Thank you to Jamie Ryan for editing and producing our podcast.

• 52:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're like, oh, I just gave you one thing to do.

• 52:33Corinne Vien?

  And we will see you on the other side.

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