Immigration Attorney Sergio Siderman + Jonny Lieberman

Sergio Siderman is an Immigration Attorney whose origin story includes kidnappings, random, and of course, the asylum process. We invited him on the show to inject some facts into the goings on with ICE in an effort to fight through the noise and pundits. Sergio explains what is really happening to immigrants of varying immigration status, why this whole thing began, crime statistics, the effects it will have on your community, and what people with green cards, visas, in-process immigration, or not status at all, should do to prepare for the future. It's an incredible enlightening episode and even if you don't have any immigrants in your family, you surely know some, and this hour will help you better understand their lives. We also talk about the race that Matt, Sergio, and Jonny Lieberman will be participating in at COTA later this year. https://sidermanlaw.com/?lang=en The study on immigrant crime statistics: https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime Recorded June 11, 2025 Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/mfsirfru #CashAppPod Get TWENTY PERCENT off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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  Use them, don't forget about them because man, will they save you money and headaches. Alright folks, this one, it's gonna be a little different. I'm sure you've read in the news about what's happening in LA with ICE raids and protests and in reading about it from afar while I was on vacation. Really made me want to bring in a friend of mine who's a real expert in this area. My friend Sergio Siderman is joining us. He is an immigration attorney. He's been practicing for a very long time. He's extremely experienced and we're not going to be talking too hyperbolically about it, or at least we're not going to try, but he's going to answer.

• 2:10Matt Farah?

  Some very important questions about about the state of immigration in our city and our country right now. And it's just a kind of the information, the real information, not from a politician or a pundit, but from somebody on the ground that I think you guys should hear. So it's a departure from cars a little bit. Johnny's here, too. We're going to talk about racing at the end of the show. But um, hear me out on this one. It's important. Sergio Siderman Esquire is on the Smoking Tire Podcast. I gotta train them on that. Yeah, hey, guys. Okay. On the job training. Okay, it's the show. So uh, so here's the thing. I was in Italy. Uh, we don't need to talk about that, but I I'm always somewhere else when bad things happen. I was like in

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  another country when the when the fires happened and and I'm in Italy and like, wow, the shit went down in LA while I was gone. That's fortunate. Right? Um, and I was reading this book by Rutger Bregman called Humankind, which I don't know, I really recommend it. It's friend from gift from my friend Travis, that basically argues in many pages that humans are not actually hardwired to fight. We're hardwired to cooperate. It argues against what they call veneer theory, which is like there's a thin veneer of civility and then it's Lord of the Flies. Right. If you don't go to church, then you'll just start raping. So I'm reading this and I'm seeing this shit in LA and I'm going, well, how do we

• 3:34Matt Farah?

  cut through the noise? And I go, we have to get Sergio in the studio because studio Sergio lives and breathes the fucking ground level of this stuff. True. He's not a pundit or a politician. He's an immigration lawyer. And oh, by the way, I've just gotten approval to race with Sergio. Oh, nice. And Johnny. Oh, yes. In Coda in November. I talked to WRL. I'm I'm good to go. Oh, cool. Ready to race. Do I have to talk to anybody? Probably not. Probably not. Okay. You already did one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I did the old page. This kid Tato. Yes. Who is a rocket. Apparently very fast. Yeah, he's a rocket. Apparently very fast. And Sergio is like a pillar of the LA car community. You put

• 4:16Matt Farah?

  on these amazing events at your place, which I'm jealous of. And uh, and you've just kind of, yeah, when I, when Johnny introduced me to you, immediately you were like the kindest person I I've I've met around here. Let me back up. You don't know me. Day.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  But the day I met, the moment I met Sergio, he was like, "Hey, you wanna drive my McLaren 720S?"

• 4:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Literally, first thing he says to me.

• 4:39Matt Farah?

  You're that kinda guy.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  And I was like, "Yes."

• 4:42Speaker 02

  That was a good car.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  It was a great car.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  And your wife, and you treated Hannah and I to an amazing dinner, Providence, and you've always been so kind to us. And now, here we are with like, a real crisis in our city.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 4:57Matt Farah?

  But, before we get to that, um, cuz you're new to the show.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 5:03Matt Farah?

  And I'm really glad you're here, and I don't know you that well, but I know you well enough to know I like you. How did you, how did you become an immigration attorney, and what's your, what's your background story?

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Alright, so, it's a very long story, I'm gonna keep it short, not bore everybody, but, uh, I was born in Argentina. Uh, there was a, that was in 1972, so you can date me now.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  In 1974, my grandfather was kidnapped by the leftists, uh, for ransom. They were called the Montoneros in Argentina. And, paid the ransom, he was released.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  My family in Argentina were well-to-do Jews. In 1976, the far-right overthrew the civilian government, and the military kidnapped my grandfather, in 1976. The case, uh, it was a huge disaster, uh, for our family. We fled Argentina that night, uh, when we got him back. We got him, got my grandfather back a week later. He was left, uh, dumped out of a Jeep, with a note in his pocket saying, "Leave the country in 24 hours, whole family, or we're gonna kill everybody." He had already been forced to sign over all of his assets to the military leader in Tucuman, which is where we're from, and we fled.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Came to the United States, uh, started a civil case against Argentina, it's called Siderman vs. Argentina. If you're interested, just Google Siderman vs. Argentina.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  His last name is Siderman.

• 6:37Matt Farah?

  And you can, uh, you can sue a country?

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Not until Siderman vs. Argentina.

• 6:43Matt Farah?

  Seriously, are you the first person to ever sue a country?

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Well, I go to law school, you know, 20 years later, 18 years later, and I take international human rights class in my second year. Open up the book and the professor says, "Okay, you know, first case we need to read is Siderman versus Argentina because that's how we establish jurisdiction." And I was like, "Oh shit, you know, it's bigger than I thought." Wow. So it's basically, Argentina tried to extradite my grandfather from the United States when he started talking to the media and exposing the kidnappings, the murders. They kidnapped and killed a lot of people in 1976. There's a Holiday Ford in Argentina.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  And, you know, the case went to the Ninth Circuit. We won in the Ninth Circuit and then the Supreme Court denied certification to Argentina. The reason for the jurisdiction, by the way, was our justice system in the US, according to the judges, is not a one-way street. So if you want to use our justice system, our courts, to extradite old man Siderman, he can use the courts to go after you for what you took from him. Oh, wow. That's how we established jurisdiction. Wow. So that got my interest in the law, got my... We lived in this country. This is the crazy part. We lived in the United States after fleeing Argentina for years without papers.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  We were undocumented because the US denied our asylum claims. Apparently, the US government was in cahoots with the far-right Argentinian military overthrow. I was gonna say, that sounds about right for the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in 1982, when we won at the district court, at the lowest level, my grandfather's first case against Argentina, we win. And then the United States State Department sends an amicus brief, friend of the court brief, saying, "Don't do this. Overturn the judgment. It'll ruin our relations with Argentina, blah, blah, blah." So they overturned the judgment. We had to appeal to the Ninth Circuit. And that's where we won. And then the Supreme Court sided with us.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  And then Argentina settled. Wow, I hope for a lot. It was all right. They're still... They also gave back properties that are very difficult to do anything with. Huh.

• 9:12Matt Farah?

  Interesting.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  I was not expecting this order of story.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 9:17Matt Farah?

  It's kinda crazy. So how long did your grandfather live for?

• 9:23Speaker 01

  He lived a long time. So he died in 2002. And he had won the judge, won the judgment and got paid out in the, in the settlement with Argentina in 1996.

• 9:41Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  So he got to enjoy it.

• 9:43Matt Farah?

  So you got to enjoy a little bit?

• 9:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he was with it, you know, like he wasn't like wheelchair bound and dementia like that. He was totally fine until the last day.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  The men in your family seem to age well. I say that having met your father who,

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  you told me was like, the time was like 75 and I'm like, he looks better than me.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I, I hope I got some of his genes.

• 10:02Matt Farah?

  Sergio's pretty ageless as well over here. So when you went to law school and you're like, yeah, I'm Siderman. And they were, was that blowing people's minds or not really? Does that happen a lot in law school?

• 10:13Speaker 01

  For people that are involved in international law, human rights law, for them it's a, it's a big deal. No one else knows.

• 10:19Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:20Matt Farah?

  Well, now everyone on this podcast knows. Hopefully lawyers out there are like, hey, that's, that's the guy.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:26Matt Farah?

  Okay, so you, you know, how did, you came here undocumented?

• 10:30Speaker 01

  So we came here on tourist visas. We applied for asylum. We were denied asylum.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Which is crazy.

• 10:39Matt Farah?

  It's a dirty textbook asylum.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Like a note in your pocket saying you have 24 hours to leave or else.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  It fits the definition of asylum.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  We can't read Spanish.

• 10:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The government's literally trying to get us back from here right now.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  To kill us.

• 10:55Matt Farah?

  Cause we're talking about this like.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Right. I, as you guys know, I do asylum cases every single day. We, my firm has over 60,000 clients. We do a lot of asylum claims. I have never seen a better asylum case than my own family's, which was denied. So either we had terrible lawyers.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Or, you know. That's crazy. That's fucking crazy. And you just went back to Argentina for the first time, like recently, right? Yeah, I couldn't go back for a long time. Okay, so in the US, nobody knows my last name. In Argentina, it's well-known, and it, and my parents were terrified of me going back there, especially under prior governments. And then there was this other catch. Because there's a lot of kidnappings, right, in Argentina, like a lot of Central and South American countries? Is it like Kingpin, where it's like, "Don't get cider mined"? Does that like mean something? Is your name like a bad verb? Like, shit. It's, uh, it's well-known for, for, you know, and it's synonymous with a disaster that happened in the 70s,

• 12:01Speaker 01

  the Dirty War. So, when I was born in Argentina, there was a lottery system where if you got a certain number, you had to go to the military when you turned 18. And I happened to land on this lottery number, so I was one of those guys that's supposed to report when they're 18. Well, they kicked us out of the country. I was unable to go back. I have a note.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  You have a post-it note? Doc Swat's note? Sir, I have a note. Does this work for that lottery service? This says I have to sign up, but this says you'll kill me if I sign up. It was actually signed, but it wasn't signed. Written by one of your generals. Recognize the handwriting. Interestingly, the general that was in charge of kidnapping my grandfather and torturing him and stealing all his properties was eventually elected governor of the province that we're from before more sane minds took control of the government, and he then went to jail. Oh, okay. Yeah. A lot of the guys that were involved in the kidnappings, tortures, and murders

• 13:08Speaker 01

  in Argentina were later tried, mini Nuremberg style.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  That is something we're unfamiliar with in this country, unfortunately.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's crazy like-

• 13:18Speaker 01

  They'd be put on news networks 10 years later and be like, "Expert on kidnapping and murder, Ollie North is here to talk to us."

• 13:27Speaker 02

  I don't know much about Argentina, but I was down there, 2001, let's say, and I remember I had like a Sunday to myself and so they had an English language newspaper and I got in, I was gonna have like a coffee and a cigarette and read the paper, and I got to page like 47 and it's like, you know, "Vice President resigns accuses President of corruption." It was like page 47. And I remember the guy I was staying with, his name was Christian, I was like, "Christian", like, he goes, "We've had over 50 presidents since World War II, like, it's not news."

• 13:58Speaker 01

  And a lot of them go to jail.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  In that sense, Argentina does a better job of convicting their criminal presidents than we have.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  The front page today in Argentina on every newspaper is that the last president, Cristina Kirchner, is going to jail.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  For corruption.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  I mean, on the one hand, someone will be like, "See, look how corrupt they are." On the other hand, like, they're being held accountable and no one here is held accountable for shit. So, thank you, Russ.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Coffee, coffee at WZZS, full service. Unfortunately, in Argentina, it's systemic. So, the corruption goes from the meter maids, which they don't actually have meter maids, they have like basically gang members that will come up to your car and you pay them, it's free parking.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. "Oh, we'll go watch your car for you."

• 14:51Speaker 01

  But they'll watch it for you. Then, you give them the money, and as you're walking away, you see a cop car pull up and they give some of the money to the cop car, like, the guy's coming to collect his part. And it goes from there all the way to the judges and to the presidency.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Nuts. Okay, so Argentina's insane.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Beautiful.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Great place to visit.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  Really, really nice.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  It's on the mend. As crazy as the new president Malay is, there's some positive changes happening also.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  So-

• 15:22Matt Farah?

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• 19:42Matt Farah?

  And now, back to the program. How did you get legal in the US?

• 19:47Speaker 01

  My grandfather had three kids, my dad and two sisters. One of the sisters had come to the US in the 60s, married a US citizen. And she was living in Tampa, Florida. And eventually, she was able to petition her dad, my grandfather. And then, when he had his green card, he was able to petition my dad and his wife. And that's how we eventually did it, through the petition process.

• 20:15Matt Farah?

  So, a lot of people, you know, I see on pundits and wherever are, they really just want people to do it the right way. Because I'm okay, I'm okay with immigration from wherever. Just, it's gotta be done the right way.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, even though if you go back and look at how their family got here, nothing was right about nothing.

• 20:35Matt Farah?

  Forget that, forget that. But I'm just like, level-headed, from an expert.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:40Matt Farah?

  What's the right way?

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Well, technically, the right way is to, you know, if you're living outside of the US, there's multiple pathways that you can get your green card even before you come to the US. Or, there's things like the fiance visa, where you're gonna marry someone that's outside of our borders. They can come into the US with this K visa, the fiance visa. And if you get married within 90 days, then that person can stay and get their green card. There's investor visas, where you can invest a million dollars in the United States. And basically, that's an overnight green card for you and your family.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  There's multiple ways to do it the right way from the get-go, but they take time and money. And, by the way, another right way to do it is asylum. Like, if you are fleeing a situation where your life is at risk.

• 21:45Matt Farah?

  Like Venezuela.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  Or a lot of places for a lot of reasons.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Or apparently, South Africa now.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Only if you're white.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Only if you're white.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  Excuse me.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  But asylum is a legal way to come, you know, requesting asylum is a legal way to come into the United States. You know, the Statue of Liberty, the plaque, you know, the Colossus poem at the bottom basically says, "Give me your poor, your downtrodden tired." So, there are many, many right ways to come in. And most people that have been coming in over the last couple of years across the border through these CBP One offices are coming through with asylum. They're trying to do it the right way.

• 22:30Matt Farah?

  Okay, so, I've been reading stories that literally people are getting, you know, thrown into vans and pulled from places like Home Depot, the side of the road, their own court hearings maybe, is this true or is this bullshit?

• 22:49Speaker 01

  True.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Okay. Birthday, kids' birthday parties, school graduations.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  True, true, true. So, interestingly, there's this conundrum that the Trump administration has put itself into because they, you know, Trump promised mass deportations, "We're gonna get rid of millions of people." You know, technically, according to the census, there's over 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, and Trump promised to, you know, mass deportations, millions of people, they want to hit at least a million people per year. Well, the Biden administration and the Obama administration deported so many more people than the Trump administration ever has. And part of the reason is most deportations happen at the border.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  So.

• 23:39Matt Farah?

  Like being like turn just turned away?

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're you're turned around, you you've been deported. Right? And on your on your record, you're deported.

• 23:48Matt Farah?

  I didn't know that that was considered that.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  It's called a expedited removal, and it started in nineteen ninety seven, where instead of just being called a turnaround, which wasn't that bad for your immigration record, expedited removal is the same effect as if a judge ordered you deported.

• 24:06Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  So the deportation numbers were so high under Obama, they were so high under Biden. Well, now the border is essentially closed because the CBP one offices that would admit people legally into the United States with valid asylum claims, they would do credible fear interviews. And if they met that minimum standard, they were allowed in to fight their asylum case as they should be. Um, the border is essentially closed. And so the number of deportations that Trump can tout is so much fewer than before because no one's being turned around anymore, right? And they're not even attempting to come across the border, which I think is fine. Like, you should have a a good asylum office and process to let people in that are in fear of their lives.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Like, that's what this country stands for, at least in my opinion. Um, but you you also need a secure border. Well, we have a secure border, uh, for the most part on the southern, uh, southern end. But now what? How are you going to get those numbers that you've promised your voters? How are you going to get to those millions? Well, Stephen Miller, fucking psychopath, uh.

• 25:14Matt Farah?

  That's a scary, scary.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Scary. If you read his background and what he was like as a kid.

• 25:19Matt Farah?

  Death in the eyes.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  I'd say as a as a Jew, he is so fucking embarrassing. I'm just so embarrassed for him to be.

• 25:26Matt Farah?

  That is a ghoulish man.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Anyway, associated with us.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  So he had, you know, was recorded in a meeting, and then he came out and on the talk shows, talked about how they need three thousand deportations a day to meet Trump's number, and we're going to get it. Well. If you can't do it at the border, which is where most of the deportations are taking place, you're gonna have to do it on the streets. And in the past, you know, besides the border, the other location where they would get a lot of deportations were the jails, where, you know... You get arrested for something else. Right, you get arrested for doing something bad, they, you know, even the sanctuary cities would turn you over to ICE if you were a criminal, and you get deported.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Well, that stuff's not happening either, and so what they're really going after is just, do you look foreign? A certain type of foreign. Right, right, like, do you look... They're not going after, like, Irishmen, yeah. Well, they laid the groundwork first, right? Over the last year and a half of campaigning, they have villainized the Latino community. Yeah, it's an invasion, all this disgusting, dehumanizing language. Right, I mean, it is so eerily similar to what Goebbels did in 1930s before Hitler came to power. You know, they started laying the groundwork for, these are the bad guys, these are the... The reason you're poor is the Jews. Right, right. Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  The reason you're poor is the brown guys. Right, and now it's like, though, the reason that you don't have the job you want is because, you know, the brown guy came in and took your job, which nobody wants. They did, I think it was a 60 Minutes that I saw where they offered prisoners at a maximum security prison, these guys had one hour a day to be outside in Mississippi or Alabama, and they were offered a full day outdoors, but they had to pick watermelon. Not one of the prisoners lasted a day. They all begged to go back to their jail cells where they're enclosed for 23 hours a day. So, they're not taking the jobs from anyone. Did they try asking for one bucket of cold beer for their... No, we can't make Shawshank Twinks. Okay, sorry, that was insensitive.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a

• 27:43Speaker 02

  You told me, you told me the greatest thing when the first Trump administration that they, they just did everything so not by the books, just everything just like, you know, they were trying to deport all these people, like, I think you were telling me it was, um, people applying for green cards and they basically like stopped that process, right? And everything got tied up in courts, it was anarchy, and then when Biden came in, they just said, alright, everyone who's tied up gets a green card. So in other words, like, if 300, you can retell the story, but like, if 300 people would have got it, 600 people wound up getting green cards. So Trump with his just anarchy caused more immigration.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  To unstop the dam, they just said, well, fuck it, and, right? I don't know, you said it. What they really wanted to do, uh, he wanted to be the tough guy, right? He's Lieutenant Bone Spurs, wants to show how tough he is.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  It's optics, it's all fucking optics.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Right, yeah. And so, uh, just like the criminal courts, the, if, if your criminal courts took every single case to trial, every DUI, every misdemeanor, every, there, you, for you to get a speedy trial would take 20 years, right? So, the, the criminal court system depends on the plea bargain program so that they can survive, so that they can function. Well, Trump said to the immigration courts, which are very similar to the criminal courts in that aspect, he said, no more arrangements, no more deals, everything goes to trial, no matter how good a person is, no matter what, everything goes to trial.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  All these asylum cases, everything, and in the past, 90 plus percent of all these cases would get settled. And, you know, if the person had no criminal history, had good connections to the United States, was not financially dependent on the government in any way, then they would get possibly a work authorization that they could renew every year, and they'd, and they'd freeze the case. If they ever did anything wrong in the future, they'd unfreeze the case and deport the guy.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Very simple process. That came to a screeching halt. And the time to hear your case from the Obama administration, which would have been like six months from the time that you get a notice to appear to the time that you actually are having your case heard, increased to seven years.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Well, Trump wouldn't be in office by the time that you go to trial.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  And, you know, unlike the criminal court system and every other court, which fall under the judiciary, the immigration courts are not part of the judiciary, they're part of the executive branch, which means that the boss is the president. The president runs those judges, they're not even technically, you know, full federal judges, they are administrative judges, and they report to the president, so...

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Has that always been the case?

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  I did not know that.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, administrative judges.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Did not know that.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  You can appeal it and eventually get to the Ninth Circuit, which is under the judiciary, but at the administrative level, most of the cases are, it's under the executive branch.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Wow, I did not know that at all.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  And so when the presidents change, the policies change, and everything he did in his first term was for naught, because when Biden came into office right afterwards, he saw, okay, you've got no criminal history, you've got strong connections to the United States, kids born here, married to a US citizen, whatever, and you're not financially dependent on the country, you pay taxes, you can stay.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  But everybody, it just got like fast-tracked, everybody got fast-tracked in.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they didn't get green cards, they got work authorization.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Sorry, but, okay, but, yeah, but so, Trump inadvertently let more foreigners in.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is kinda great.

• 31:35Matt Farah?

  So, you just, you know, to go back, it's not happening at the border, it's not happening at the jails, is that because the people that are maybe here undocumented are keeping a low profile, because they're worried about being caught and going to jail, or is it just there's not a lot of people left?

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Well, to begin with, the, as much as they've been vilified, the Latino community in general is drastically less criminal than most American-born communities, including white-born American, black-born American. It is much less likely, and Stanford did a big study on this, I was gonna bring that, I'll share it with you when I get to the office this afternoon.

• 32:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you send it, we can drop the link in the show notes.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:21Matt Farah?

  Exactly, find it.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  It's a very, very good study done by Stanford, showing that the criminal likelihood of a white American is significantly higher than an immigrant, an immigrant.

• 32:36Matt Farah?

  I am not the least bit surprised.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, I've like, news has been going on about this, but like, you know, Tuberville, Senator Tuberville is going on about like, you know, LA is this criminal hellhole, and he's like-

• 32:50Speaker 03

  He's got great stock tips, though.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's like Alabama has three times the murder rate of Los Angeles.

• 32:55Matt Farah?

  Well, and if also, you ever read, uh, uh, shit.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Here's your thing.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  The guy who does the mythical tie between immigration and crime, is that it? "Research by Stanford's Ran Abramitzky and co-authors uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than US-born individuals from July 2023." We'll drop the link to that in the notes.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  I mean, the big line is like, the author has found that hasn't been the case in America for 140 years. So.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  Um, shit. Oh, the other thing is, what is considered crime, right? A lot of people, a lot of people would not consider some really fucked up, white-collar crimes to be crimes. A lot of people don't consider crimes committed by cops to be crimes. And if you factor them shits in, dude, I was living in a very high-crime area growing up.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:48Matt Farah?

  The crime was happening above three-acre properties, but they were fucking selling OxyContin, crashing the economy, wrecking everybody's lives.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  Well, also, what about-

• 33:57Matt Farah?

  All criminals.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  What about beating a cop with a Confederate flag inside the Capitol?

• 34:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  Nope, that's not a crime.

• 34:02Matt Farah?

  Not anymore.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  What if you defecate on the floor after you beat the cop?

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  You get a medal, it's a Medal of Honor for that.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  You become a special advisor.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  If it's a Trump flag, you get a get out of jail free card.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Oh, right, right.

• 34:15Matt Farah?

  Okay, wait, so you said, now you just said, when they run out at the border and they run out of the jails, they're hitting the streets, which means the Home Depots.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Which is so absurd, the, you know, before being elected, Trump made it really clear that they were gonna go after these bad hombres, and that these criminal gangs, and they show MS-13 and all that. I don't see them getting into gunfights with MS-13. I don't see them going into East LA to the barrios where they know exactly where these guys hang out, and confronting them. But, they are saying that all these people are actually criminals, because by entering the country illegally, that's a crime, and thus criminal.

• 34:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a real nice circle of justification, isn't it?

• 35:03Speaker 01

  That's like, Trump is a convicted felon for the money, but he's convicted civilly of sexual assault, big difference. They will also say that many of them are working without a work authorization, that's a crime.

• 35:15Matt Farah?

  That's a crime.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Well, if you compare that, if you call that level of crime, the crime that's gonna get you kicked out of a country, we're gonna end up with no people here.

• 35:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so that, I wrote this down, if you're here undocumented, you're at a Home Depot, you're trying to fucking do drywall, okay? You're, guy's right over there.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 35:39Matt Farah?

  What is the exact crime that that guy is allegedly doing? An undocumented person trying to work in a Home Depot parking lot? Like, literally, what is he accused of?

• 35:48Speaker 01

  He, working without authorization and being inside the country illegally, those are his crimes.

• 35:54Matt Farah?

  And what, like, violation, misdemeanor, felony, like, what is the degree of crime that that is?

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't even think it's a misdemeanor.

• 36:03Matt Farah?

  It's not even a misdemeanor?

• 36:05Speaker 01

  It's not criminal, it's civil, it's a civil, it's a civil offense. It's, and think of it this way, the penalties for hiring and employing undocumented people is virtually nothing, it's a slap on the wrist. I don't even think there's a financial aspect to it.

• 36:21Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, they're, obviously they're not trying to disrupt capitalism, or the business ownership class with this, but, so, are you saying that, like, something like shoplifting?

• 36:33Matt Farah?

  Could easily be a much bigger crime.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Significantly, that's a.

• 36:38Matt Farah?

  Than being an undocumented person in California right now, for which the punishment appears to be being kidnapped off the street.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 36:45Matt Farah?

  And sent somewhere.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 36:49Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 36:50Speaker 01

  El Salvador is lovely this time of year.

• 36:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, without, without, you know, violating your attorney client, client privilege, do you have clients that have, that have fucking been yanked off the street in Los Angeles?

• 37:02Speaker 01

  So, normally our clients don't get yanked because we give them proof of representation. We give them an ID card with their case number on it that any ICE official can just look up the case number on the spot and see that that, that person's in process or that person has some type of status in the US. Uh, we also encourage our clients to carry around the receipt that the government sends you, uh, that says, for example, your, you know, US citizen's son is petitioning you. That's an I-130 petition. Keep a copy of that on you, you know, and in practice, what we have seen is that ICE doesn't want to detain or get tangled up with people that,

• 37:45Speaker 01

  uh, are represented by immigration attorneys and that have open cases. Uh, it's just too much trouble for them. They want the low hanging fruit. They want the guy that can barely, or doesn't speak English, has no representation in this country, no one to fight on his behalf or her behalf, and, um, has nothing in process, doesn't have an open asylum case, just snuck in, uh, that's, that's what they're really looking for.

• 38:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:13Matt Farah?

  Okay. And, and if someone is that low hanging fruit, to not disrespect that person, being a human, if they're, if they have no papers and no lawyer.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  We're getting them now as clients because they're contacting us from the detention centers or the family members are contacting us, telling us that, you know, my brother, my, my, my dad, um, my husband was just detained, can you help us? Uh, those are urgent cases, um, in the event that someone already had a pre-existing deportation.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  Maybe they crossed over illegally 20 years ago. They got one of these expedited removals that shows up on their record. When ICE gets them a second time, or right now in these raids, if they get them before 4pm in LA, they'll be in Mexico by the next day. So there's very little time to act. If they don't have any prior immigration issues,

• 39:11Speaker 01

  in those cases, we can do a bond hearing and get them out, and then we're gonna fight their asylum case.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  But it's eerily reminiscent of 1930's Germany.

• 39:30Matt Farah?

  It's got a very fascist vibe to all of it. And then we have, because in LA particularly, and I can't necessarily speak, like, these people are like our neighbors.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:42Matt Farah?

  The idea that they would be categorized as like an invading anything is insane. They make delicious fucking food for us. They work in our businesses and take care of our households and...

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Anyone listening in America, what you ate for breakfast, lunch, and dinner today was picked by undocumented workers. And we can't get our, you know, blanket asylum... We've been fighting this since like, I don't know, since forever, since the 70's. We can't give anyone amnesty, but like, everything you eat, you know, if you're in a small town and you had your Hardee's, you know, 99 cent menu or whatever, the reason it's 99 cents is there's no wages going to the people picking it. You know, it's insane. Like, it's a fabric of our country. One, you know, in two times in recent history, they've done programs that did legalize hundreds of thousands of immigrants. Reagan did it with an amnesty program during his term, and he was very pro-immigration.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  If you hear some of his old speeches, he is all about bringing the immigrants. And if you couldn't get in, you know, through the amnesty program, they would give you these worker cards that you could come across the border.

• 40:53Matt Farah?

  The Braceros, right? Wasn't that what it was, the Bracero program?

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Carta del Campo. And they would come in, work, go back.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  We, as a society, we don't realize, or at least a lot of the voters don't realize, we cannot function without them.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  And then Clinton did it in 2001. It's called the 245i program. And he basically forgave unlawful entries as long as you didn't have criminal history, you know, the usual stuff. And again, we added hundreds of thousands of immigrants, maybe, maybe over a million through the 245i program. And they got their green cards and, you know, they lose the green card if they commit a crime. It's unlike citizenship.

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like crimes are still illegal.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  It's Of course.

• 41:48Matt Farah?

  There's this categorization that they're, they're all doing crimes and it's like, well.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:53Matt Farah?

  Those are still

• 41:54Speaker 01

  They're cleaning houses and gardening lawns.

• 41:56Matt Farah?

  Obviously, but some are doing crimes and those crimes are still illegal.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Very few, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:02Matt Farah?

  Statistically, some.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 42:04Matt Farah?

  But like, we have laws for that, like, already.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yep. It's a, it's a tough situation.

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  Okay, the, the, my like, because I don't have the words for all of it, because it's actually quite overwhelming. You know, because and, and the protesters in downtown LA are, they're defending what feels like an army that's come to take our fucking neighbors, like a black hat army.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 42:30Matt Farah?

  Feels like some crazy Central American, you know, black ops shit.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, wearing masks, armed to the teeth.

• 42:38Matt Farah?

  It feels extrajudicial. It feels like there's a denial of due process. Is there a denial of due process or does it just feel like that to me? Because I'm a softie.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Absolute denial of due process. In fact, the, the woman in charge, Kristi Noem.

• 42:55Matt Farah?

  She's a, her and Stephen Miller fucking deserve each other.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Well, she, I mean, she's one of the top law enforcement officers in the country, right? And they asked her in a congressional hearing if she knew what habeas corpus meant.

• 43:09Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  And her response was, you know, she didn't know the answer and she said, I think it's the right for the president to remove anyone he wants. Holy shit.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  You know, we've elected a cast of clowns. If you haven't seen the movie Idiocracy, where they introduced the cabinet.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  I have more confidence in that cabinet from Idiocracy than I do in the one we have now.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  If you go back to the first term, you look at like Trump's cabinet, he wanted to do all this shit. And he had adults in the room.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  That stopped him. He wanted military parades.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Right, Mark Milley.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  And, and what's his face, the other one, not Milley, the first.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  McMaster?

• 43:49Speaker 02

  No, I forget his name.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  I tried to block them all out, frankly.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was an all right guy, but he said like, no, this is what like, like the Soviets did military parades down, down in front of the Capitol with tanks. It's not what Americans do. We don't, in fact, we don't really want the army on our streets.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're not supposed to have that.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  And he wanted to do all this shit and, and there was just like adults that like blocked him at every turn. And so this time, the reason he appointed people with, with no philosophy, with, with no soul, with no morals.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  News anchors.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  News, just, just, just power hungry schmucks with the biggest personality defects that exist. It's because they won't stop him. They have nothing without him.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  You know, I mean, yes, she was the governor of South Dakota. Um, you know, but she, it was all part of the same platform, but like she's never, no pushback. Look, look at, and the worst of all, I think really is Mike Johnson.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Bragging about shooting a puppy is pretty bad.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Mike Johnson, though, Mike Johnson's the most feckless, bootlicking, lying, like, like, talks to, talks to God. Like literally goes out in public and says, God told me to do this and that, like.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Doesn't he compare jerk off notes with his kid?

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  That one's pretty weird, too.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Yes, that takes the cake.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  That's, I think that's peak weird.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  He's, he's, yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  But that's why. Talk about jerk off.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  That's why they have these people in place.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Accountability for each other's whack off habits.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And I heard it was gay porn that was his real problem, but anyways. And it's fine, just be gay, don't hide it.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  There's one optic that I don't like, uh, coming from the protesters and that's the, all the Mexican flags waving.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, there should be Trump and Confederate flags.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, they, no, no, like. These people, you know, for the most part, most of the immigrants have been here for a really long time and they have, they try to assimilate. A lot of them won't even let their kids speak Spanish. You know, they want them to speak English. It's different than the immigration issues that other countries in Europe have. Our immigrants want to be here. They want to be part of this society. They contribute. They are rarely criminals. And seeing the Mexican flags waving plays into

• 46:00Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  what Trump is saying that we're under this Mexican invasion. The optics are bad.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a, I mean, because you can go to a lot of, whether it's a protest or a parade and see multinational flags, right?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 46:14Matt Farah?

  But you kind of, you probably should put it alongside. Put them together.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  I, I participate in, in this, you know, in a big Mexican parade every year in September, and it's all Mexican flags.

• 46:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  You know, but it's a Mexican pride parade that I, that I'm a part of. This is more, you know, we, you are, I want it to be, I want people to see, they're coming after your neighbors. They're coming after people just like us.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  Are you saying, like, are you saying you want them to be waving American flags? Or just no flag? Like, because I think if they're waving American flags, it would, it would be grabbed onto by right-wing news sources and they'd go, oh, look, these people are celebrating the removal of these other folks, which obviously would be

• 46:57Matt Farah?

  I think, I think he's probably saying, if you've got a cop shooting tear gas at a bunch of people waving American flags,

• 47:04Speaker 01

  With American flags.

• 47:04Matt Farah?

  It's tough to argue that that is an invasion. And, and that the, the photo that's now been everywhere of the dude on the dirt bike with the Mexican flag in front of the burning car, that's a bad photo if you have bad intentions.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  I, I'm, I'm super disappointed how the American flag has been appropriated by the far right.

• 47:25Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  And it's now like a symbol of white supremacy.

• 47:30Matt Farah?

  Dude, it bugs me out. I've done some road tripping across certain parts of the US recently, and if I see enough American flags, like, I actually feel like it's like a threatening

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:41Matt Farah?

  thing.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  Which is a crazy thing to feel.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  You should go to Mississippi.

• 47:44Matt Farah?

  As a fucking, you know, as someone who like, looks like me and was born here. That's a, it's crazy to feel a threat

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, we need to take that flag back.

• 47:52Matt Farah?

  With your own flag. Sure, I can see that.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  I went through rural Mississippi a couple of years ago, and it was only Confederate flags or Trump flags. It was actually no US flags. Just Confederate and Trump.

• 48:02Matt Farah?

  Look, there's always a lower hell, my friend.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is 21.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  I took a wrong turn in Idaho, at Coeur d'Alene.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Oh, well, yeah.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  I took, Coeur d'Alene's a nice.

• 48:10Matt Farah?

  Coeur d'Alene's nice, dude.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Parts of it, parts of it. There's, there's some big money, you know.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Very civilized people around that lake.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  And Nazis.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  My wife and I with the kids took a wrong turn and we're going down this street and there's, you know, a lot of, of, of American flags and Nazi flags, like full swastika flags. Red swastika flags hanging in front of people's houses.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's Coeur d'Alene.

• 48:35Speaker 03

  Well, Idaho has more white supremacy groups per capita than any other state, which is fun.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  I, I think Orange County has them beat, but, but per state.

• 48:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, surf Nazis are their own kind of thing.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  But I was also gonna say, real quick, though, the thing with the Mexican flag, like, just imagine if what you were saying, if they were waving like a Canadian flag, like, part of where the, the, the US flag has been co-opted by the far right, the Mexican flag, which is just the flag of the country that borders us, like, there's nothing wrong with a Mexican flag. Wave, who ca, it's not illegal to wave a Mexican flag.

• 49:09Matt Farah?

  No, it's definitely not illegal, it just plays into the narrative that they're trying to.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  I know what you're saying, but the reason that narrative exists is because people are so afraid of Mexicans, where it's like, imagine being like French and you're like terrified of Belgians. Being terrified of Germans is fine, but like, you know, like the Belgians, you know what I mean? It's just, it's ridiculous.

• 49:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't wanna tell someone how to, how to protest, do your thing, but I can see it's a bad, it could be a bad look.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's an unorganized, these are, like, again, they're, they were, what's it called? The plastic handcuffs, strap ties, or strap tying, they're zip tying, like, you know, 4th graders out of, out of graduation.

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  With, you know what I mean? So like, yeah, they're just gonna protest. What does the guy have? He has a Mexican flag and a, and a dirt bike. Like, it's not some like grand organized scheme, you know? And I totally understand what you're saying, I'm just saying, there is a raw nerve, there is raw anger. It, one more thing, it's contained to like eight blocks, it's.

• 50:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like, like Portland during Black Lives Matter and they're like, they're burning the city and you look and it's like, oh, it's two blocks.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  I drove, I think it's like 12 miles from my house to here, like.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Like, nothing's burning, it's fine.

• 50:15Matt Farah?

  Um, look, I, you know, it's real fucked up what we're seeing in this city. And I did, look, by the time that, from today to two days when this goes up, we could, it could be different. I don't know. Um, what can, um, if people are, are, what would you say if someone's nervous for themself?

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 50:33Matt Farah?

  Or nervous for their neighbor or their family? What are a couple easy things they can do to protect themselves?

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Okay, so, number one, most of the reputable decent immigration attorneys will do a consultation for free. So, make sure that they are focused on immigration. It's next to the tax code, it's the second most complicated area of law. So, deal with someone, get a free consultation, uh, and, and get moving. It's, in the past, in Spanish, uh, people would say that we're gonna esconders en las sombras, hide in the shadows. Uh, those shadows don't exist anymore, there's nowhere to hide. So, you really need to get your shit together, uh, and find a way to at least get into process

• 51:26Speaker 01

  to get your work authorization or your green card. Uh, 99% of all the avenues to obtain your papers are still available. The only ones that Trump has been able to get rid of are the ones that were executive orders by Biden and Obama, like the DACA program, the Dreamers, you know, he was able to, to get rid of those. But, uh, to protect yourself, you know, definitely don't get in a confrontation with ICE. Uh, don't let them into your house unless they have a warrant signed by a federal judge. A lot of times, uh, as has been captured on video, ICE will lie, uh, about what they're doing at your house. They'll say that they're the police, they won't say that they're ICE.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  They'll say that they do have a warrant when they don't have a warrant. You gotta be super careful. Uh, so, don't let them in. Um, the Telemundo just did a piece last week on one of my clients who, uh...

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Only her kids were home, she wasn't home yet. Kids are terrified. There's two ICE agents at the front door, two ICE agents at the back door, and then two others in the street. And they called the mom, mom says, "Call your lawyer." So they called me, and I said, "Let me talk to the ICE officers." Uh, the mom comes running home. She shows the ICE officers the ID card I gave her, and they went away. Uh, so, they are, they're not looking to get entangled, uh, with people that are represented. They're not, they're not looking to get involved in open cases. Uh, they're, they're looking for easy, low-hanging fruit.

• 53:03Matt Farah?

  The idea of quotas, when it comes to...

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Three thousand a day.

• 53:09Matt Farah?

  The, I mean, we, we talk about quotas within the context of speeding tickets and bullshit like that, which, it's such a perverse incentive. And this is so much more of a perverse incentive.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and what they're doing is, the, they have lists of people that already have deportation orders. And they're going to those addresses, right? That's, that's the reason that they're primarily, you know, going into neighborhoods, is because they do have certain targets. But their orders are, and anyone else, that shouldn't be here. So they go into a house, looking for, you know, Joe Smith. And Joe Smith, maybe he's not there. But they're gonna ask everyone else in the house for their documentation, and anyone who doesn't have it, they're gonna arrest.

• 53:54Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Uh, so it's opportunistic.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  And three thousand a day, you're just gonna make mistakes. You're doing a million a year, mistakes, big mistakes.

• 54:01Matt Farah?

  Have you had clients, or that have been physically deported, that have every right to be here?

• 54:08Speaker 01

  I haven't.

• 54:09Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Uh, and most of the decent immigration attorneys that are looking out for their clients, that's not gonna happen. Uh, it's, it's gonna have, most of the deportations, the people you see being lined up on the planes, those are, you know, very easy grabs for them, Home Depot parking lots. They don't speak English, they don't know anybody, they don't know their rights. Uh, and instead of being locked up in a detention facility for thirty days, six months, whatever, they would rather, uh, be sent out.

• 54:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, do they get to choose?

• 54:45Speaker 01

  There's something called, I mean, Kristi Noem is going on virtually every news channel and radio, including the Spanish radio stations, and inviting people to self-deport. When you are detained, they will offer you what's called a voluntary departure form. And we encourage our clients to never, ever, ever sign that. And I would encourage all immigrants to never sign that. In her advertisement, that I'm sure you're gonna hear over and over again, she says, you know, if you leave now, you can return in the future.

• 55:25Matt Farah?

  Which is a lie.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Which is bullshit.

• 55:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  If you're, if, once you have a deportation order, even though it may say that you're prohibited from re-entry for 10 years, 20 years, whatever the penalty is, the reality is you're never coming back.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  Wow, that Kabi dude from TikTok got a, did a voluntary deportation at the, at an airport in America like, three days ago.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  The really famous guy?

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. He overstayed a visa and they kicked him out, but they said he voluntarily deported himself at the border.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:55Matt Farah?

  So that dude's probably never coming back.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Overstaying a visa, you shouldn't leave.

• 55:59Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  The fact that you were, one of the big triggers in immigration law is how you entered the country. If you entered legally with a tourist visa and it expires, and you stay in the US, you have no deportation order, you've got no issues with immigration except for your expired visa, you can stay here for a while, find a way to adjust.

• 56:20Matt Farah?

  Don't go to an airport.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  It's like an expired tag and then burning your car. You have a golden ticket. You have a lawful entry into the US, which opens up so many avenues to get your pathway to citizenship. Whereas if you have an illegal entry, it's a much tougher job. Most of my clients entered the country undocumented, with no tourist visas, with nothing. And those are much tougher cases. They would, they would love, I mean, they all wish they had a lawful entry, even if it's expired. So if you're a student visa, you know, and it's expired, you don't leave, if you plan on living here for the rest of your life.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Cause the lawful, is it because the lawful entry shows that you were vetted once? You have, you've done paperwork that shows, one, you've tried to follow the rules, two, you're not a criminal, done of a record. And if they're unlawful, then you guys are, you know, attorneys have to prove that this person is of value to society or, you know, has been good here?

• 57:19Speaker 01

  In part, the first part is absolutely correct. They've already vetted you once, they let you into the country, and you're not a, you're not a priority for them, you're not an enforcement priority, and the, the way the laws are written, a lot of them, you know, require a lawful entry for you to be able to adjust your status in the US. Not having that lawful entry requires your attorney to do a lot more acrobatics to be able to get you in. And there are ways to do it, and most of, of the decent immigration attorneys are gonna know how to get around those hurdles. And the reality is, any immigration attorney is gonna be, you know, pretty clear that if you've got a criminal record, criminal

• 58:03Speaker 01

  history, we can't really help you. So, we're not gonna take your money, we're not gonna take your case, cuz it's a loser, and you're better off, you know, going back. The, the people that are in process, the people that are being detained in, at court, it's, it's an absurd, it's an absurd process. You're discouraging people from doing the right thing.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. For a while, we were hearing about El Salvador, El Salvador, El Salvador, El Salvador, meaning the prison. And then, all of a sudden, we stopped hearing about El Salvador. Did they stop sending people to El Salvador, or did the news cycle just move fast enough and we're, and El Salvador is just lost in the, in the vortex now?

• 58:46Speaker 01

  News cycle, news cycle. Yeah, they're, they're still, the, the lack of due process is still at record highs, and I think they just keep breaking the records, you know, on how many rules they're gonna break.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  And there's other terrible places they're sending them. Like, there was somebody who was in, like, Djibouti, you know, illegal, like, just got deported.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  They wanna send him to Sudan.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, yeah, that's, that's, that's where Djibouti is, yeah, yeah.

• 59:11Matt Farah?

  And somebody, somebody, somebody died in, like, a shipping container or something, like, it's totally, it's totally out of control. And again, and again, you know...

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Back to the making mistakes and back to where we are and the likenesses of Nazi Germany. What I always, two things I always try and tell people, because I've spent way too much of my life studying the Holocaust and what happened in Germany. Hitler never said in 1933 when he was running, like, hey, we're gonna set up concentration camps in Poland with death camps attached to them. Never said anything like that. He just said Jews were the problem. And then there was a thing called the Wannsee Conference, so it was January of 42. The Wannsee is a really nice suburb of Berlin. The conference took place in a beautiful house on a lake. Uh, what was the fucking guy's name? Uh, Hayden, I think, is the last name. I can look it up. They got together and said, look, um, machine gunning the Jews is really costing us a lot of bullets.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  And the guys who were doing it, the Einzatsgruppen, by the way, Einzatsgruppen was made up almost entirely of German cops. That were, it became a paramilitary force. They followed behind the German army. So Germany would invade, you know, Croatia and then the Einzatsgruppen, a bad example, they were allies, invade Macedonia. And then the Einzatsgruppen would like, you know, dig a ditch and I'll shoot someone in the head and then they'd bury him. And they were really like, it was hard on them. It was really hard to kill that many people and they were getting sad and depressed and drinking too much. And they were running out of bullets. So they said, we have to figure out a, you know, a final solution to the Jewish question, which was death camps in Poland. You know, and that was 1942. Hitler was elected in 33. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:00:48Matt Farah?

  It's incremental to get to that.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Let's take Greenland and Canada, like, oh, like territorial expansion, like, because you don't really want a death camp in Mississippi. But if we have one in Greenland, like, you know, and again, is it, is it, am I being hyperbolic? Kinda, you know?

• 1:01:03Matt Farah?

  Well, there's already a seemingly.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Getting less hyperbolic by the day.

• 1:01:06Matt Farah?

  I mean, there's already seemingly an inescapable prison in El Salvador, which might as well be a death camp. And if it was a death camp, we're not gonna find out about it without invading El Salvador.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  I'm sure horrible shit's happening. I mean, we know horrible shit's happening there. But again, like, it was, you know. People think Hitler had this idea for Zyklon B gas chambers. He never even knew about it. It was his minions that were turned loose to carry out his will.

• 1:01:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? It was literally, they were in a mansion on a lake in Berlin. Like, this is what we should do. This would be the most efficient way to, you know, carry out the Führers Will. Get rid of the Jews.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  History's certainly repeating itself, dumbing down the American public over the last 50 years.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  That's a big one.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Gutting education. That helps, you know, people get dumber.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  And so I don't blame...

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  That was a funny way to put it.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  I don't blame the dumb people for the situation we're in. I'm really disappointed, particularly in my own people, the Jews that were pro-Trump.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  Still very few, but yeah, they were really disappointing.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  It's super disappointing because you know, like, most of you were well-educated, especially with what happened in the 30s and...

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  But I got a friend, Jewish guy, father's a doctor. And I put a thing up on Instagram, it was an Anne Frank quote, where she was like, "They're snatching people off the street, our neighbors are disappearing." Which was, this, she wrote before she was in the attic. This was just her diary. And he's like, "How dare you do that? There's no, there's nothing like that at all." And I'm like, he's like, you know, you're like, whatever, I forget what he said. "You're appropriating our trauma." Like, my grandparents, great-grandparents, you know, they had to dig their own ditch or killed and blah blah. And I'm like, it's the same thing. I'm like, and I was trying to tell him, like, she's writing that in like, in, you know, whenever, I forget exactly when the afternoon was being, I'm gonna guess 1940, you know, along with France and Belgium. You know, that was before she had to hide in the attic.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  And this is the before times. This is before, you know, my nephew's half Guatemalan is gonna have to go in an attic somewhere, you know what I mean?

• 1:03:16Matt Farah?

  Look, Trump's just doing states instead of countries now.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:03:21Matt Farah?

  We have some questions from the patrons. It's not a ton because we have a very specific topic of discussion today. It's outside of our normal flow.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Curvy.

• 1:03:30Matt Farah?

  But we wanna let them get in there because they are very... Over at Patreon.com/the Smoking Tire Podcast. Some of these may overlap things that have already been said, so we'll try to make it as non-repeated as possible. John says, "My wife has had a green card for 30 years. She has her Japanese pride and did not want to get full citizenship, but may do that now. What should she do?"

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  I'm doing this process myself. In the past, in the US, when you became a US citizen, you had to give up your prior citizenship. So I gave up gladly my Argentinian citizenship and only had the US citizenship. Now, the US allows you to have multiple citizenship. You can have multiple passports. So my recommendation for anybody that only has a green card is to take the simple exam and do the process for your citizenship. You can usually get it done in under a year. You'll already have your citizenship by the end of the year. The exam is 101 questions. It's very simple. And, um, yeah.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  And there's ways to get out of the exam. If you have a medical condition, you can't concentrate, or if you don't speak English and you've had your green card for at least 15 years, you can also get out of the English requirement. But it's highly recommended, especially given the current situation, the current climate. Get the citizenship in the US. The green card isn't what it used to be.

• 1:05:00Matt Farah?

  Do, uh, do you have copies of the exam? Like, can I try it? Yeah. Online? I want to try it.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:07Matt Farah?

  Is it just online?

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a very simple civics exam.

• 1:05:11Matt Farah?

  I want to try it. I want to see if I could, if I could pass.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  You're going to get 100.

• 1:05:14Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, maybe. Let's try.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Matt Farah?

  Okay. Sam English, I think we should all try. Yeah. We should try, we should get progressively.

• 1:05:24Matt Farah?

  The drinking shit. Drink. The drinking citizenship test. I would love that. All right, we have a lot of booze to get through on a later show. Yes, I'll come back. So we will do a drinking citizenship test for Johnny and I. We're fucking put our money where our mouth is.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Didn't that backfire when they did that with driving? Where they would give people like a shot?

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  Well, I did not so we did in, uh, in 2011, 12? When we were doing the car show on Speed Network?

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Matt Farah?

  Adam Carolla got to do it and that bummed me out because I really wanted to do it.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Matt Farah?

  But he hypothesized that he was a better driver drunk than it was like a woman doing her makeup and like a very old guy and someone trying to like drink a coffee or something. And he did, I don't know, five, six shots of vodka and like beat these folks in an auto. And because it was TV, uh, we had to have cops there and he fucking drove home. Like he was like, all right, guys, we're done. It's like, see you later. And the cops like, okay, after demonstrating he was a better driver, they just let him drive.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  I did that in college. They were, they were trying to show us the effects of, and then, you know, drunk driving and they wanted to volunteer and I was.

• 1:06:31Matt Farah?

  Of course.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  And, uh, yeah, I got to drive a Crown Vic through cones and they stopped me after six shots when there was apparently no effect.

• 1:06:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, I would, I tried, tried to recreate the, uh, the car and driver 1982, uh, weed study. I've pitched it three times a year. Last three, last three years. Eventually one will get through.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you just gotta use private cars. You gotta have owners that agree.

• 1:06:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, Sam England says, I have a basic understanding of how our immigration system works and have marry very many family members with strong anti-immigration stances. I'm sure they have some valid concerns, but the bulk of their points aren't based on fact, according to Sam. What is a good resource to learn about how our system works to educate myself and combat bad faith arguments or factually inaccurate ones from my drunk uncle at Thanksgiving?

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Turn off the Fox News Network.

• 1:07:25Matt Farah?

  Oof. Is there a good, is there a immigration law for dummies where someone could get basic facts if they're not a lawyer? It seems to be intentionally complicated.

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  Well, there is a book, uh, The Immigration Book for Dummies does exist.

• 1:07:38Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  And you know, while the your your your immigration lawyers aren't using it, the I would wish that the notarios which are illegally filing things for people, I wish they would at least read that because they fuck things up so badly that we have to end up cleaning up. Uh, but yeah, the there's a lot of handbooks, there's there's great resources online. What I found recently, not for legal research, but for getting just basic primers on stuff, I started using ChatGPT and a lot of the stuff that it's regurgitating back to me is pretty accurate.

• 1:08:20Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  So if you have, if you have, you know, particular questions, like, let's say your grandmother's from Japan and you want to know what the contribution of Japanese immigrants to the United States has been, or, you know, even better, Mexican family members, and you want to know how much more they put into the system in tax dollars versus how much they take out.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Uh, you can ChatGPT is pretty good about that. Always ask ChatGPT for end notes or footnotes and you'll have the data and hopefully it won't make shit up.

• 1:08:50Matt Farah?

  Hopefully. Don't take it straight to court.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  That's only on Health and Human Service reports.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:57Matt Farah?

  Uh, desmoldering rim says, uh, my wife was born in Colombia, became a US citizen as a child, she has a valid passport and we're traveling to Mexico, there's rumors, Homeland Security are detaining people coming back into the country and passports are not enough to prove citizenship and she should also travel with her N600 form. Truth or not truth?

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Not necessary. Uh, the only time you should have a concern coming into the United States is if you've got crimes on your record and you are not a citizen. If you are a US citizen, coming through customs, you're not going to have an issue. If you have only a green card, but you've got, for example, some misdemeanors and even though you were given the green card 10, 20 years ago and that misdemeanor was on there when they gave you the green card, they can still give you problems. About it as you come in, what they'll traditionally do if they see any crimes. They will put you into secondary inspection, you'll be there for a couple hours and you'll still be let go.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  If it's a significant crime that they're concerned about and want you to not be in the United States, they're not going to deport you. They are going to give you a hearing and you're going to go through what's called a 42A cancellation of removal process where you're going to have to hire a lawyer that's going to defend you in court and explain why you shouldn't have your green card removed. But, you know, summary deportations at the airport, if you're a US citizen, unheard of. It's not going to happen.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  What about getting global entry? If you can, if you can, you know, get it. Like, because that way you kind of just, they scan you in a machine, you've already gone through an interview with a...

• 1:10:39Matt Farah?

  Can you get global entry if you are not a US citizen?

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  She's a US, like I was a US citizen, yes. Yeah, US citizen can get global entry and then you just kind of, that would be my advice, just go do it. It's a hundred bucks and it takes an hour.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Absolutely, global entry is wonderful if you can get it.

• 1:10:54Matt Farah?

  Okay, I have it, it's the best.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  It's the best.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  I had it and I made a, during the first term, I was really vocal about how bad things were doing and

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  what a negative impact the administration was having on immigration and then my global entry got cancelled with no reason.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  Wow, seriously?

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:12Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  Oh, that's creepy. That's creepy. Sorry to hear that. And you, you travel a lot.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I go with my passport.

• 1:11:21Matt Farah?

  For Sean says, "The internet makes it feel like so many Americans have villainized undocumented immigrants to an insane degree. In your experience, is that actually the case? Or do people simply not realize how many of the people around them are undocumented and fleeing bad situations?"

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Villainizing immigrants, I think, has happened for all of time. It's always, there's always been a level of xenophobia regardless of country, right?

• 1:11:50Matt Farah?

  Sure, like Irish people weren't white enough.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Italians weren't white.

• 1:11:54Matt Farah?

  Jews weren't white, yeah.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:11:56Matt Farah?

  Everyone who's now white used to not be white.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  But the internet gives a microphone to people that shouldn't be heard. Write that down. There's a lot of bad information out there, there's misinformation, there's, you know, just do a simple search on how much less criminality comes from immigrants than from homegrown white people.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  But also-

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Not homegrown people of color, not the children of immigrants, I guess everyone's an immigrant unless you're a Native American, but it's white people.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  But like, again, the, as we're talking about with the flag being co-opted, like sadly somehow undocumented is now synonymous with Mexican, you know, I was reading a thing, there's 660,000 undocumented Irish and Italians in like, in New York and Massachusetts right now-

• 1:12:53Matt Farah?

  Hidden in plain sight.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  Right now, and guess where ICE is not, you know, at least what they're not going after. 660,000, you know, it's-

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  They have the benefit of not being, of entering with tourist visas, or student visas that expired, or work visas that expired. They're currently, yes, undocumented, but, you know, because they're not brown-skinned, and because they didn't, you know, risk their lives fleeing gang violence and swimming across a frozen river-

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Right, leave them alone, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:28Matt Farah?

  Myron, our good friend Myron says, "What are the best things that regular citizens not in the legal field can do to help turn around the current unfortunate state of affairs?"

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Vote.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Myron's awesome, I went on the rally in Japan with him and his wife-

• 1:13:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, the K car thing?

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  It was, uh-

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Japan Rally Nippon, and it was sponsored by Alfred Dunhill, great group, they, I think, out of the 50 cars, and there was some amazing cars, they had 10 foreigners, and Myron and I were two of the foreigners that were invited to participate, awesome guy, great car, taste, super knowledgeable, hi Myron.

• 1:14:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he rules.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  He's the best.

• 1:14:14Matt Farah?

  What did you drive on that event?

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  Buy his book, buy his book.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  We drove a 1970, is that the Giant book?

• 1:14:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're like seven volumes-

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Japanese cars.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  I do need a copy.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  I drove a 71 911 S, which was lovely, I can't remember what Myron was driving, it may have been- Uh, shit. Myron text me if you, if you remember.

• 1:14:38Matt Farah?

  He'll, he'll chime in later. Yeah, it's Japanese, I bet. What can regular people do?

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  Vote.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  Obviously, you know, the, the vote, um, but we're beyond that now, right? Uh, this guy may not even leave if he gets voted out. Uh, so a- at this stage, uh, just, you know, be, be understanding, supportive of, uh, your non-violent, non-criminal immigrant neighbors. Talk to, uh, your representatives. It, it's, it's gotten so much media attention, uh, that it, you can move the needle by pushing on your representatives. I, you know.

• 1:15:19Matt Farah?

  How do you, how do you contact a representative? Like, what's the most effective way?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Phone call, I think.

• 1:15:22Matt Farah?

  Phone. Yeah. Phone is the most effective way?

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  And call.

• 1:15:26Matt Farah?

  Hard to ignore phones.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  I, uh, I, in, before being a lawyer, I worked in DC for a senator, uh, and the, the phones and mail were very effective.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Mail. Mail, huh?

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Old snail mail.

• 1:15:39Matt Farah?

  All right. Okay. Drop it in. Um, okay, before we, uh, before we wrap it up, um, circle back. In November, Jonny Lieberman, myself. December. Your son. Is it December or November? I think it's December 5th. Coda. Whatever. We're, your, your, your son, Tatum. Yeah. And who's number? Is there a fourth?

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Uh, I think it's, well, I don't know if you guys know it. I think it's Tommy Kendall.

• 1:16:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, good. Fuck out of here.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:16:07Matt Farah?

  TK?

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  TK.

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy. Uh, so we're, we're gonna be.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Permission from the wife, which he still hasn't gotten, but, uh.

• 1:16:16Matt Farah?

  Ah, yes, okay. Our wives are like, "Yeah, whatever." There we go. We're, now we got a ghost car to chase. Yeah. That's, so we're, we're racing your race, your race car. No, no, no, no, we're racing, um. Whose race car is it?

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  It's gonna be.

• 1:16:30Matt Farah?

  It's the Hulk.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, it'd be an E92 M3, uh, that we lease for the race.

• 1:16:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, fabulous. Yeah. This is a, this is a, uh, stick shift or DCT car? DCT. Okay. It's great. It's like a, like a GT4 style car?

• 1:16:45Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's competitive in its class it's in, it's in like the

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  GP1, I think.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, GP1.

• 1:16:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we're, it's, it's WRL race.

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  WRL.

• 1:16:54Matt Farah?

  I'm excited because we get to really see Johnny and me, same car, same track.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  He's probably gonna beat me, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:01Matt Farah?

  Well, I'm gonna, we both have to chase Tommy and Tato. Tato's fast as hell.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  Tato's gonna be faster than Tommy. Sorry, Tommy.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  Tato's pretty quick.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  Tato's ridiculous.

• 1:17:10Matt Farah?

  Well, Tommy, we were, uh, we were at the 1010th Motor Club, shout out to them, uh, in Charlotte. The new country club track.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Matt Farah?

  Fucking sick if you're in Charlotte. Shout out to the Smith family for inviting us. And they did an event, uh, called the Heritage Invitational, and part of it was like a Pro-Am, um, Race of Champions style, uh, showdown with electric McCons on their track.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  And, uh, Tommy Kendall won.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Shocker.

• 1:17:41Matt Farah?

  Overall, incredibly aggressive driving style.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  I heard that. He's not gonna be not aggressive, but Tato, but I mean, like, like, he's so ridiculous. Um, but he, he podiumed, I think it was his second Super Trofeo race or weekend. And, uh, he got second place.

• 1:17:59Matt Farah?

  Amazing. Where at?

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  At Laguna Seca.

• 1:18:01Matt Farah?

  At Laguna?

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Matt Farah?

  Wow, that's awesome.

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  Like, like podiumed, and he's 20 years old and started driving when he was 19.

• 1:18:08Matt Farah?

  Race at Laguna would be a good time.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  Those are the greats.

• 1:18:12Matt Farah?

  So fun.

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  He didn't start racing till he was, I think, 19 or 18.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  So during COVID, he's 20, he just turned 21, uh, and during

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  I had a beer with him when he was 20.

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  Criminal. That's more illegal than being here undocumented.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  And I think that was the night before a race, and he was late for the race, right?

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  Well, your son does not like to, um, go number two in public.

• 1:18:39Matt Farah?

  We can all relate.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Well, he, so he had to go back to the hotel.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Which I'm okay with, I'm okay with.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  So yeah, he started driving during COVID. We really got into it, going to Willow Springs, Kalo Messier. He's got the only, well, he had the only warehouse on track, right? Where he had a bunch of race cars in there and he's a good friend of ours, a wonderful human being.

• 1:19:09Speaker 02

  He's amazing.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, nicest person you've ever met.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  And when dressed up like a woman, looks pretty good.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:17Speaker 02

  So I'm at a Halloween party one time.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  Halloween party. And then, you know, we started, you know, screwing around at the track and Tato really liked it. And Kalo took him under his wing, started coaching him. So it's probably like, I don't know, we're in 2025, five years ago, so 16.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. But his first race was when he was 19?

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  First race was a year and a half ago, yeah, 19.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Still a quick study, that's very cool. He was, when I raced with him, I mean, I was, I was, whatever, I didn't crash the car, I'll leave it like, I'll say that.

• 1:19:51Matt Farah?

  That's step one.

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  That's why I'm not invited to the race.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Yes, I took his spot. As Randy Pope said about me, well, you'll never win, you'll never crash, but you'll never win.

• 1:20:00Matt Farah?

  Hey, listen, if someone's letting you drive their race car, not crashing is good.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the biggest thing. But Tato was just like, like, I think he was the fastest in, out of all the cars in our, in our class.

• 1:20:12Matt Farah?

  Awesome.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  And like, and, and like, you know, it's ridiculous. Like, we were looking at line, you know, you're on the computer going over your line and MJ, our coach, is like, you know, here's where you're losing. He overlays Tato's line, he's like, yeah, don't do any of that. I don't know, I don't know what he's doing, but it's working.

• 1:20:29Matt Farah?

  Well, when I was at Atlanta Motorsports Park and I shared a car with fucking Jordan Taylor, you know, and, and, right? Jordan, Jordan set, set, and you know, the new Blackwing has Cosworth toolbox in it. And so Jordan set the thing and then I drove the car and then we overlaid. Look, I got, I got closer to Jordan, I got, I was proud of myself, I did really well. I was, I was 1.3 off of Jordan, which for one day is like pretty fucking good.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  Actually, that's really good, yeah.

• 1:20:59Matt Farah?

  The places where he was quicker, it was a enormous, oh, hell, fucking no.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:21:05Matt Farah?

  Am I going flat over blind crest?

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say, probably faster in the corners.

• 1:21:10Matt Farah?

  We were tied in all like the slow, slow, medium corners and then the two enormous risk

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, right, right.

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  Targets really light. He was like floorboard, that guy.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's always very.

• 1:21:23Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Jordan Taylor.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  One of our patrons submitted a real quick question. He says, um, he has a relative who has an expired green card and how safe would re-entry be?

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  Uh, with an expired card is a problem. You need to renew that card before leaving the country. If he's already outside the country, you can renew it at a US consulate, but I wouldn't try and take the chance of coming here with an expired green card. I think you're gonna have problems.

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  Renew it before you get on that plane or whatever. Okay, thank you.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  And you can, you can rush it. Remember, the card itself is just a travel document. You do not stop being a resident because the card is expired or you lost the card. So you remain a resident, but it's gonna be a pain in the ass at customs with an expired travel document. So go to the nearest consulate. If you're in Mexico, you're gonna end up having to go to Juarez, which sucks. It's a really bad place.

• 1:22:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  That's where the consulate is?

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  US consulate.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  It's not in Mexico City? Why not?

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  The embassy is.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Oh, the embassy. Ah, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

• 1:22:31Matt Farah?

  What's the difference for those of us who are idiots between embassy and a consulate?

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Consulate offices do a lot of the grunt work for the embassies.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Like if you lose your passport.

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  You go to a consulate.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  You go to the consulate, not the embassy. The embassy is more like official business.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  I see.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And oftentimes, countries will have multiple consulates. So Mexico has a bunch of consulates in the US. Argentina has a few, you know, Miami, New York, Los Angeles. Consulate's the way to go.

• 1:23:03Matt Farah?

  Got it.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:05Matt Farah?

  Um, we will put the, a link to your firm's site for anyone that needs you in the show notes. Take Sergio's advice. Fucking guy seems like he knows what he's doing. You don't get to where he's, where he is without knowing a few things about a few things.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  Trying, trying.

• 1:23:22Matt Farah?

  Um, how, how nervous are you for the next, you know, six months of our country right now?

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Super nervous.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  I think we're, the spiral has, has just started.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  I mean Marines, there's active Marines in LA right now.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're going in the wrong direction and then these Marines have no right, like the National Guard, they can't detain anyone anyway.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Not only that, Marines are trained to fucking murder people. I mean, you know, it's called warfare, but they're good at killing. They have no police training, they don't know how to like handcuff, they've never handled handcuffs. You know what I mean? They just know how to slaughter, they're good snipers. They're great at like destroying other armies, but they're terrible about policing people waving Mexican flags on mini bikes, like it's the wrong thing.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  I was talking with our more conservative friend Adrian.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Yesterday.

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  By the way, his daughter, I want to see her race.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Oh, she's a kick ass driver.

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, she should probably take my spot for the go to race.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I was talking with Adrian yesterday about, you know, what can be done? And how scary things are at the moment and he sees it too, you know, and he'll openly tell you that, you know, he voted for the, for the bad guy. But he's, he's concerned about it and we talked about, you know, maybe we can have a correction at the midterms and in my opinion, that's too late, like at the speed at which things are falling apart. Who knows if you're even gonna have midterms and if, and if you have them, like can you trust them? Like now, you know, unlike when Trump actually lost the election, now all his people are gonna be

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  in control of every election. Now I'm concerned.

• 1:25:08Speaker 02

  And let's, let's also remember, and I always bring this point out because there will, you'll start hearing calls to cancel the midterms, but like we were able to have elections during the Civil War, we were able to have elections during World War II, during World War I, during every war. We've always had elections, you know, we're not a democracy unless we have our elections. There's nothing happening, I don't care how many people are, you know, throwing rocks at, at, you know, ICE or National Guard, you can still have elections. So when you start hearing that, that's like really a dangerous precedent. Like if we can have, if we can have elections during the Civil War, we can have elections in a year and a half.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  In COVID, yeah.

• 1:25:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Well, look.

• 1:25:47Matt Farah?

  These people are like neighbors and they live with us and work with us and like.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, family in a lot of cases.

• 1:25:54Matt Farah?

  The crime, the crime of being here is a really fucking minor crime. Even if you want to use that as an excuse, oh, it's the smallest, most bullshit justification.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  The four of us commit more crimes every day in our cars that are actually crimes, you know, or at least violations.

• 1:26:14Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Off the Record.

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:16Matt Farah?

  COTST.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  That's a really, that's a great point because, yeah, because again, you know, there's criminal and there's civil, right? It's a civil thing to be here, you know.

• 1:26:30Matt Farah?

  The tough on crime people are awfully selective with what kinds of crime they're being tough on.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  Be nice to each other. Thank you for coming down, Serge. I appreciate it. I can't wait to drive your race car and, or your leased race car.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  It's good.

• 1:26:46Matt Farah?

  Whatever it is, it's gonna be a good ass time.

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  It's called the Hulk.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  The Hulk is the one you guys are gonna race in. The, we have the Super Trofeo practice car at Button Willow. If you ever want to give that thing a spin.

• 1:26:57Matt Farah?

  I've driven a Super Trofeo car in Las Vegas and it was a good time.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  I would like to do that. That sounds, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  That's a good one.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  I'd like me a Huracan.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then the race car race car is handled by TR3, which is a really good race team out of Florida.

• 1:27:18Matt Farah?

  When we do that race in Cota, is there a practice day Friday?

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:22Matt Farah?

  And can you practice in non-race vehicles?

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:27Matt Farah?

  Like I've brought, I've brought really fast sports cars to the practice days and they let me run laps in them.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  We did, I'm trying to think, because we did, I had a X5M.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, they have parade laps, right?

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  We did like a sighting lap in the X5M. We just put the whole team in there.

• 1:27:42Matt Farah?

  No, they've, AER and Champ, they've let me run, like, you do want to practice, but you also don't want to tire out. If I want to, if I bring my own car and want to run 40 laps of Cota just to fucking get better at Cota.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  What's the guy's?

• 1:27:55Matt Farah?

  I'll email the guy, I just didn't know if it was something you've done.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Super nice guy.

• 1:27:59Matt Farah?

  At AER, the practice day, they don't care. You can, you can, any car that passes tech, you can practice in.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the team that you guys will be running with is open throttle.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  Awesome guys.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Out of Jacksonville.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  Awesome guys.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  And all their cars are bright, bright green.

• 1:28:15Matt Farah?

  I love it.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  Uh, and they're good cars, the guys are fantastic.

• 1:28:19Speaker 02

  And they wrench 24 hours a day when people break the cars.

• 1:28:22Matt Farah?

  Great, I can't do that. You know what I can do? Cook food. I will make food happen.

• 1:28:26Speaker 02

  They cook food, and you should cook the food because, actually, this is the best thing, I don't know if I told you this, the best thing that happened was, they were cooking hamburgers, and they had a stack of, uh, cheese slices. And they had this big dog, and the big dog walks up and just licks up the cheese slices. And I'm looking at it, and the guy's looking at it, and he's like, "That's all the cheese we got."

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  They went right on.

• 1:28:48Speaker 02

  Totally cooked off, yeah.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  If you want to see the, uh, some track time from the Super Trofeo, from inside the car, uh, at Laguna Seca. Uh, Mateo Siderman on Instagram.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  Has some cool videos on there.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  We will link.

• 1:29:05Matt Farah?

  Thanks, boys. And, uh, next time, we have a lot of bourbon tasting to do. You can join us on that if you want. Next time, it didn't seem like the idea for a noon show.

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:14Matt Farah?

  To do a bourbon tasting.

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  And I have, I have, I kind of have big news. Should I announce it now or wait?

• 1:29:18Matt Farah?

  If you like.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  All right. Starting my own YouTube channel, finally.

• 1:29:22Matt Farah?

  Ooh, boy.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it should drop, it should drop on Monday, so that's the 16th, I think.

• 1:29:28Matt Farah?

  What's it called?

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  It's a great name, really, you're gonna, it's gonna blow you, yeah, it's Smoking Tire.

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  No, it's, uh, Driving with Johnny.

• 1:29:37Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, Driving with Johnny.

• 1:29:39Matt Farah?

  That's cool.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  I was trying to, I went down like, you know, Car Wonder, car, you know, like, there's no names left, there's no names left.

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:48Matt Farah?

  No, Driving with Johnny's all right.

• 1:29:49Speaker 02

  Driving with Johnny, yeah. And, uh, I hooked up with this guy, um, uh, Rylik Alexander. Um, he, actually, I think wants to get in touch with both of you, but, uh, he has this channel called O'Shift.

• 1:30:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, I've seen that somewhere.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you if you find it on YouTube, he did a thing on my GR.

• 1:30:07Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah, okay.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  And, you know, it's I had the- Oh, we met him at Good Vibes. He shoots with the big, big lens.

• 1:30:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, that guy. Yeah, I met that guy.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's one of those things, I watched him work, like, so Anthony Esposito was the longtime director of Head to Head and Ignition, and now he does all the Camisa videos. So, you know, whenever you see some amazing camera work on Camisa's shit, that's Anthony. And I remember he filled in one day on an old Motor Trend video I was doing, and I watched this guy work, and I'm like, that's a one-man wrecking crew. Like, I was just, like, just so much hustle, doesn't want to stand around and tell stories like I do. That's all I'm good for. And Rylik was the same way. If you go, if you go to that O'Shea for a second, you can, you can see- Oh, boy, what have I done?

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, Zach's fucking up over there.

• 1:30:53Speaker 02

  Okay, well, anyways, my, my little GR is, uh, it, it, it's pretty cool.

• 1:31:00Speaker 02

  Let's see, there it is.

• 1:31:01Matt Farah?

  It's up there.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  There it is. Um, anyways, I watched this guy Rylik work, and I had the same feeling where he just didn't stop working, even though a lot of us, including his father, were standing around and cracking jokes and having a good old time. He was just working, working, working, working, hustle, hustle. And I'd been talking to other people, because like, you know, obviously, I know how to like, you know, talk. I, I've been doing this for a long time. Um, editing is beyond me, and da, da, da, da, da, and I, and I've been talking to guys, and nothing was coming to fruition, and everyone's like, ooh, I live in like, Orange County or Illinois, and, but I think I can do it. I'm like, no, no, no. And I just, he came over to my house because he's like, oh, I didn't get one shot. I just want to reshoot a couple of things. I'm like, that's crazy. Like, most people just like, we're not going to have your intake in the video.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  And I just mentioned to him, he's like, dude, I'll help you. And I was like, ah. So, yeah, so we shot a bunch of stuff. We should have, including, we're gonna go shoot at your place on Saturday, but we should have like- This Saturday? Yeah, fourteenth. Cool.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  You agreed to it several times.

• 1:32:05Speaker 02

  We're bringing a scootery and a 4GT, so it'll be a good time.

• 1:32:08Matt Farah?

  4GT's the best.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, the second gen.

• 1:32:12Matt Farah?

  First gen 4GT's the best.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  Okay, well, we'll get there. But anyway, so yeah, I'm excited. It's just driving with Johnny on YouTube.

• 1:32:19Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:20Matt Farah?

  Good time, man. There it is.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  It'll be good.

• 1:32:25Matt Farah?

  That's our show, folks, right? The Green Notice Canyon, if you missed it, will be available for patrons on Monday, the 16th. If you've already emailed me about completing the set of five, and I've guaranteed you an allocation, you will get an email from me directly before that. You'll get to buy yours first, and then 100 units for patrons of the green, and the Tahitian Black Pearl will be following two weeks after that with 50 units. Thank you. This is a different thing than we normally do, but I saw what was happening in the city and made the call and decided it was something worth talking about. So, thank you for sharing your expertise, Sergio.

• 1:33:07Matt Farah?

  And for those of you still here, thanks for hearing us out. See you guys later.