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Sup gigglers?
Carrie, fix the wifi.
Manifest that shit.
We can't be managed.
I mean, the day just got away from me.
What's up, my gigolati?
Yes, honey.
Right?
Yes!
I was in a yoga class.
Okay.
And the girl was a giggler, and she was like, "By the way, you should say gigolati." And I was like, "You're so helpful. Thank you. Writing it down now."
Wait, I feel like she was like page coded.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're in the gigolati. This is what we are. It's better than a cult's. Gigolati's better than a cult.
Because it sounds like...
An Italian Illuminati.
Family. An Italian cult, like, five family adjacent. It's like the girl started something.
Well, the gigolati is like when you see someone say no notes, and you just look at her, and she's like, "Oh, she's in the gigolati."
Did you just get out of the pool or the shower?
I just got out of the shower. I played tennis today.
I was gonna be so jealous.
I look like a wet rat.
I think, I think you're stunning in all forms. I was just like, "Oh my god, are you like swimming?" Because I would be so jealous right now.
I'm actually feeling quite raw because I, um, killed the whole family of my nails.
Wow. Like, you peeled it all off?
I had a breakdown. And I, no, I peeled it. And like, you know when you peel like one layer of your actual nail bed? So Jacqueline would actually like block me if she saw this.
Does it hurt?
It kind of hurt. Yeah, it hurt.
Yeah, yeah.
It wasn't pleasurable, but my, I haven't had short nails in so long that like, I went to pet Butter, and I saw my own hand and scared myself. I was like, "Whose hand is that?"
No, it's like anything. It's like tanning. It's like getting botox. It's body dysmorphia, but I don't have nails. I'm like, "She's a boy."
I was like, "Who's petting my cat?"
But I kind of am into like no-nail summer because I'm active.
No.
We're running, we're swimming, we're pretending to garden.
I was just telling one of my friends, like, again, bringing you up in conversation, like...
Someone ever brings up anything also like athletic in conversation, I'm like, "I surely can't." But my friend?
And I was just telling someone recently, I was like, no, I don't think you're grasping, like, the gravity of what I'm saying to you. Hannah and I are complete opposites. She's on teams in the summer. She's getting up, she's playing tennis, she's running, she's doing laps. She, I was like, her, I think she-
Time to play sports. I love sports games.
I think she married her husband so that they would have, like, a doubles for any sport.
Our third date was a volleyball tournament where we got in a fight.
I mentioned that. I mentioned that.
And it was like a six-hour volleyball tournament. I'm like, fuck my weekend, let's beat up little kids.
Yeah, so no, I, so I get that you're, you're active in the summer.
Yeah, so this was just for all my activities.
See, this is how, this is how we're different. I'm trying to plan when Jacqueline's coming next, because I have to be in Italy for a certain amount of weeks. And I'm like, what is the ideal time so that my nails will last?
But I know we're different, which is why I enjoy, like, I'm currently shopping for your Italy trip. I sent you a Chloe bag today, you didn't respond. It was vintage. You didn't like it, you didn't like it.
I didn't love it. I didn't love it.
You didn't, if this is, Paige doesn't respond when she doesn't like something. But when she, when she likes it, she writes, "Love."
Cute, yeah. Love. Oh, love.
Oh, love.
Okay, speaking of love.
Yes.
The pod was coming out on a Wednesday this week, which we apologize, like, logistics, semantics, we don't, it's a whole thing.
Yeah.
But now the gigglers are well aware that Daphne has launched, which has been, I really, I don't even have words. I had to, I was filming like a little video haul of like all the Daphne clothes, and I had to keep stopping and restarting. I was like, I've never been so nervous to talk about something. Usually if I'm filming something, I'm like, love it, hate it. So cute. Could put it with this.
Usually when I talk, I don't care.
Usually when I talk, I don't know what I'm saying and I'm not gonna think about what I said.
No, like anytime I do something, they're like, here are the notes. I'm like, you'll get what I said. I don't, we can't plan these things.
Suddenly you don't know how to form a sentence because you're like, nothing can explain this how I want to.
I'm immediately Lea Michele. I'm like, oh, I don't read, so please, don't give me a script or any type of notes. Like, I say it off the cuff. But when it's my own brand, I'm like, what are the emotions I want the girls to feel? And I have been working on Daphne for, I mean, how long now? Like, two solid years.
Can we backtrack a little? Like, how did this come to be? Can we tell the girls how an entrepreneur is made?
I got the idea.
How is the salami made?
I got the idea for Daphne, I would say, like, three years ago, where I was like, I've decided that what I want to do is make pajamas. I want to make loungewear. I want it to be functional. There were so many different things I wanted it to be. So it was really like I incubated on it. Like, I didn't just make a random move. Like, I truly thought out, wrote things out, all of the things.
You just said incubated.
I'm in.
We're in a WeWork.
I get the idea and I really, it was really important to me to get like the exact right people to do what I certainly didn't know how to do. I knew I had the creative, I knew I had the idea, and I knew I had exact specifications of what I wanted each item to be. And the one thing I'll say throughout this entire process, when you're doing something creative, I feel like there is a point where you're like, I hate this. I want to change everything. I've decided against it. Like, in whatever facet of, like, that you're working in, there was not one moment throughout Daphne that I was like, I hate X, Y, or Z. Like, I loved everything.
I was, like, I went to bed every night being like, I'm really happy with this decision. Whether it was like the certain piping or like a different, like, pink dye.
Wait, what's a piping?
Like, on our pointeau pants, I have like piping on the sides, but I wanted it to be flattering, but I wanted it to look athletic, but still like pajamas. So like, there were just certain little meticulous things that I wanted that. Were small decisions, but every single one I made very thoughtfully.
The name, this is like cosmic because in no situation did I have the name Daphne even on my list of cat names. When I got Daphne, it just like came to me in the moment.
Yeah. Well, she's, you look at her and you're like, okay, it's a Daphne.
I was like, that's a, yeah, that's a Daphne. And so when it came to naming my brand, I, I mean, I went back and forth with so many different things, wrote them out, loved it one week, changed it the next. And then I actually didn't even have the idea of Daphne. Someone on my team said, what about Daphne? And right when I heard it, I was like,
You go, and that's what I pay you for.
And that, no, literally, and that's why you collaborate.
See what she just did? Is anyone else gonna do work here?
And that is why you freaking collaborate. I hate to say that it was a man's idea, but not going in the about us section.
Grace, delete that. We cannot have that in the history of our brand.
In her story, I don't.
In her story, not in her story. Also, he was, a woman spoke through him. A woman spoke through him. But I also have to say, part of being smart and part of running a business is knowing what you don't know. And I think you are really good at that. We're like, you're not, your ego's not gonna take over. No, but you're not gonna be like, oh, I'm, I'm controlling everything. You're like, I want, and that's why I think we work well together. Cause we've never once stepped on each other's toes, like in that way.
Best idea wins. Like what?
Sorry, my ego's not my amigo.
Funniest joke wins.
The joke wins.
Um.
Sorry, I was, I was letting you have the floor. Wait, we've never paused.
We've never paused.
Stopped to be like, no, you speak.
Take a moment, have a pause.
Okay, here's one thing, one other thing I wanna say.
Throughout the design portion of Daphne and like coming up with the pieces, the one constant has always been, I wanted to make this T-shirt that was like the ultimate T-shirt. And nothing has, was ever named, like it didn't have names for anything, but we always referred to this T-shirt as the Hannah tee. And it is like, I honestly wanna go back in emails because it was like one of my first ideas, like I have to have this Hannah tee. And what gave me the idea was truly during COVID Hannah wore the same t-shirt like every single day, like the Brooklyn t-shirt and you just loved it. And I was like, I love that you love something so much.
It's an emotional support t-shirt. Like you know it's gonna feel right. It's like a sensory thing.
And so I was like thinking about what are people's favorite t-shirts and why do they love them? And a lot of them, I feel like are people's college t-shirts. It has like nostalgia. It's the perfect, like it falls perfectly on you. It's big enough. It might not have even been yours. That's how like big it is. Just all these different-
It's your ex-boyfriend's cousins.
Yes, like you got it from a random place. I like to spray tan in mine, but I don't care if it gets dirty. Like it's just like that big t-shirt. It's perfect for everything. And so like I wanted to make the Hannah t-shirt and I, and I'm obsessed. It, it's the best t-shirt.
My one thing is if you really wanted it to be like perfectly my tea, you would've put a spaghetti stain on it. But I feel like that wouldn't have been your aesthetic. So you can make your own spaghetti stain.
Okay, so I wanna, I wanna tell you some things because I want you to be proud of me. I went to the meeting and I said, hey, here's an idea and I'm throwing it out there. Okay. And I'd be remiss if I didn't throw the idea out there. You guys might love it, you might hate it, but I'm gonna put it in the atmosphere. And they said, and I quote, "It doesn't really align perfectly with our brand and we love..."
I love how you go, "I wanted it, the team rejected it." But you mean, you go, "I thought my hardest."
I thought. And like I said in the beginning-
But the powers that be-
Best idea wins, you know? And that day I didn't have the best idea.
I, I do think we can use this in our day-to-day life, legal jargon, where if someone, you don't agree with someone, but you don't wanna like take credit for it. You go, "I spoke to the team and the powers that be rejected it." Powers that be. And when they ask, be like, "I don't know the boss's names."
It's honestly-
Don't speak to them like that.
It's not in my jurisdiction and I don't wanna overstep.
Yes. And you know what? I, I literally respect that because if you look at Giggly Squad, that's us having power. That's what happens when we have power.
It's an icon. They actually said it's, it feels more giggly squad. I go, and we'll save it for merch.
Thank you.
Well, this is weird. I know people make fun of being like, my brand, my brand. But um, as you expand into different ventures, like there are differences of like what attracts different people and like staying true to yourself. And I'm just so excited for you to have a place for you to like, put all your creativity and your taste.
Can I tell you something else? And like, not me bringing up a mental health moment.
Working on Daphne like the past two years, basically in secret, like I haven't, like, no one really knows that I was working on Daphne. And it has been such, and not an, I don't even want to say an emotional roller coaster because it's not even that dramatic. It has truly been so much fun to be so creative with things and be like, oh, I want to change that. Or like, would this be cool? Or like, how cute? Like, let's see, like, a model wearing it and like, whatever. That I haven't even thought that like, I then have to give it to people to be like, and here is my art. And of course, like, I, I love working on it and I want it to be like, one of my full-time things.
But I, and I don't want to say I don't care if people don't like it, but I love it so much. And like, everything to me is so perfect.
That like,
if people don't like, like, I don't even want to say that. It's just like, I have enough love for it that it's, I feel like it's gonna do well because I'm obsessed with it.
You described it perfectly where it's like, it's not about the result. You're not doing it to like, make it, I mean, look, you hope you make money and you hope it's successful.
Of course, and I hope everyone loves it.
But like, it's literally like, that's how I felt with my Netflix special. When I completed it, that was the joy. Like, I remember sending it into Netflix after we finished editing it and being like, I'm proud of it. And that was the hardest thing because I'm the hardest person to impress, like.
Like, you know how you sometimes feel like, oh my god, I don't have a hobby? Like, if someone asks, like, what are your hobbies? It's like, okay, like, laying on the couch? This has truly been like my hobby.
It's your passion project.
Yeah, for the past two years that it's almost like, oh, if someone said they didn't like my needlepoint, I'd be like, I don't care, it's my frickin' hobby.
That's what I said to Dez when he said it looks stupid. I said, this is my pride and joy. And I don't do this for other people.
I have been thinking, how did the green flower go that night?
You know, I haven't finished it. I'll, I'll take a picture and post it on the Giggly account.
No, you must put it in the newsletter.
And for people who are asking about my needlepoint, I actually got it on Amazon for like $12, but now I'm gonna, I think, invest in one that's like maybe better, cuz, I don't know, we'll see, but I've been getting a lot of DMs asking about it. It really like struck a chord with the giggler community. I got a lot of messages about it.
Each year, we get older and older, and so, and it's...
A hobby that involves stabbing that doesn't hurt anyone seems healthy to me.
It really does.
You need to put your anger somewhere, especially if you're Italian. One thing, like Dez, our wise Dez, said to me, because especially in, as an entrepreneur, we have a lot of highs and lows. And also, even if you have a regular job, like, you're chasing getting a raise, you're chasing doing a product, like, you have so many things you chase, and then, once you get it, you're human, so you're always like, what's the next thing? And Dez always said, you have to make it about the work. Are you loving the process of what you're doing? Because if you're not enjoying the process, even when you get what you wanted, it feels empty. So, I'm just, I'm so happy that you, like, put it creatively. We live in a time that's a lot about, like, showing off.
I love, I just go, we live in a time, and you start nodding. You didn't even know what I was gonna say, you were like, mm, yes, preach, preach, amen. That's what I've been saying. That's what meme with the woman in the back going, yep. Exactly. We live in a time.
Because where's the life? We do.
We do. Where is the life? We live in that time. And everyone's posting, like, what they're doing all the time, and showing off what they're doing, what they've been doing, what they're gonna do. Let's bring back moving in silence.
Let's do it.
Let's bring back, like, do something for yourself and like, great, like, you're gonna, you know, get articles and awards and whatever, but like,
Awards?
I don't know.
The first ever Jammy Awards.
I love that. Sign me up.
You're gonna win an Emmy for a Jimmy. But I just think the fact that you had something that you were working on and not constantly putting it in people's faces, and now you are gonna promote it, which as you should, but like, there's something to be said of like, having your own stuff that you're working on for yourself that you enjoy.
No, it's, it really is so true. Like, it's, obviously, like, I've wanted to post it and I'm, but really because I'm just like, guys, I feel like you're gonna love it too. Okay, so go to daphne the label dot com. You can sign up. Follow us at at daphne for Instagram. And then our TikTok is at shop daphne. My vibe for the Instagram is like curated, beautiful, and then our TikTok, I really want it to be like unhinged and I want like daphne the cat to be at the forefront because she truly deserves it. Obviously, I'm gonna give a little something extra to my gigglers. Um, so if you're in the giggly squad newsletter, you will be getting free shipping. But make sure you go to it's daphne the label dot com, sign up.
And then you'll be on our email list and then we launch next Tuesday. So it's June 10th is our actual launch date where you can buy clothes, but make sure you're signing up because you'll get all the emails, you'll get the alerts and all of this stuff. Okay, one more note, because I just feel like I have to say it on the pod.
There are these pajama pants, there are Poplin pajama pants, and I made them specifically for the summer of like, you know, when you wake up and you're like, I want to go outside, but I'm like, I'm in my pajamas and like, other people are dressed and it's just, you're in that weird in between. It's like 11 a.m. And you're like,
You wake up, it's 5 p.m.
Yeah, and you're like, it could go either way. It's the perfect, just like, summer morning pant. You could have a bathing suit on under it. You could have nothing on under it. You could have slept in it. You could have put it on in the morning. Like, it's just, you could have it on with a kitten heel or a croc.
Depending on where you swing.
Depending on whose team you're on.
You can wear that too.
Also, sometimes I want to wear pants, but I don't want to wear like heavy sweatpants. And I don't want to wear shorts because I'm just don't want to be running around shorts because sometimes there's bugs. This has gotten very specific.
I hate to say it, but I, I mean, I did cater to Gen Z a little. I said, what if we did a longer boxer? You know, like, what if we did a low rise, something that the girls can wear with their loafers? You know, they love doing that.
Well, speaking of Gen Z, I told Grace, like, I was like bragging. I was like, do you know Paige has the Hannah tee? Like she named it after me. And she was like, oh my God, did you model it? And I was like, oh my God, I must have missed the email. She goes, you didn't model the shirt? And I go, wait, that's crazy.
No, okay, truly.
Just wait, one thing back to like doing something for yourself and it just like being so fun. I've been cosplaying like this whole time with Daphne. Like the only time I've been getting dressed up is to like go to like a Daphne meeting. Cause we, me and Josephine like pretend it's Double Wear's product. We're just like obsessed.
Wait, what was I saying?
About the models.
So the day of the photo shoot, we actually did it in my apartment. The photographer was so talented and like the creative director. Like it truly didn't even look like my apartment. Having real models like in your home, modeling your brand. Like I had to leave the room because I almost started crying at one point. I was just like, this is the best day of my life. And I didn't put it even on Instagram.
One more question. This is obviously the beginning of hopefully a very long journey for you.
What is something that surprised you about the process that you did not anticipate?
Oh my gosh, that is a great question.
I'm a journalist.
What is something, yeah, what is something that surprised me?
Yeah, that's when I'm really thinking. Long finger and she puts it on her nose. That's when she's really thinking.
Okay, small things that you would think would be easier to change are not as easy to change and everything is like a rigamarole. Like, for example, should one of the ties on the pants, should it be detachable? Should it not be detachable? Like, should the buttons be functional or not be functional? Should they be hidden? Like, there's so many little things and then like I wanted to change the buttons because they were like, one centimeter, I thought, too big. And so then we have to wait for like shipping on these different buttons. Like, there's a lot of nuanced little things that you don't think about.
But truly, that's why I feel like I did keep it a secret for so long was because I really did like doing it. And I'm like, this is, there's no rush in this. Like, this is fun for me and I like this. So like, if we have to wait for these buttons, I want to be really excited about these frickin' buttons. And so let's wait. And so I really didn't want to like, force anything out too soon. And I feel like that is why it's taken me a little bit, but I'm so, like, I'm obsessed with it.
I'm so excited. Congratulations.
Daphne doesn't even know.
She does.
You think she feels it?
Wait, can we discuss Daphne's Dunkin' commercial?
Yeah, she's a star.
That was so good and so funny. And immediately, I'm getting messages, why isn't butter in something? And I said, look, butter is difficult to work with.
Butter can be bought.
And it's gone around the industry. Like, you know, you have one bad moment. Like, butter ran away when someone walked in the house.
Butter is a diva.
Butter's, people are saying she's a diva, which means she's just a strong woman who speaks her mind. Um, I showed her. I said, you could, this is what you could be doing.
Wait, I showed Daphne. I was like, you're in a commercial. Do you want to see it? She stared for a little bit. I was like, you're gorgeous.
She's like, who's that? That's me. Um, Butter saw herself in the mirror the other day and got scared and fluffed up and tried to fight herself. That's what we're dealing with.
The mental health over here, it's not great.
We're fighting our own demon, but then someone, the Giggly Squad memes account, which is so funny, was like, can we do a, I can't believe it's not Butter, um, promo?
Oh my god.
And tagged them and posted a photo of Butter where she looked, I mean, she's beautiful. She looks like Cindy Crawford. Like, it's not about her looks. It's like the personality.
Should we just like make our own fake commercials?
If we were friends when we were like 13, that's what we would have done. We would have made our own fake commercials.
We would have had so much fun on our, um, MacBooks. Do you remember the iMovie? We would have literally been making music videos. We would have been like, oh my god.
We would have made like skits and stuff.
We were content creators back in the day.
We would have been.
So anyway, I tagged, um, so you think it's not Butter, or I think that's what it's called. And I think they like, they like liked it. And I was like, mm, okay. Okay, embarrassing.
Oh man. Well, you know.
Okay, well, we're gonna go with, um, what's the Irish butter?
Irish butter?
Kerrygold. Kerrygold. Butter is half Irish.
Cause of Dez. So, look at me just trying to hawk, hawk her around.
There's nothing like good frickin' butter.
Oh, highly recommend Kerrygold. It's my favorite.
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Did you see that I went to the Liberty game?
I did. Oh, let's speak on it because I got a video of you, which was just like, it looked like I hired a private detective to follow you places and be like, tell me who she talks to.
I got a tag from you and it's a video of me and I go, where did you get this?
No, it was so...
Love that you have people. Like, you have people everywhere. But it's true, like wherever you go, I need to know what's going on too.
I mean, if we're out in public, yeah, of course.
We keep eyes, we protect and serve.
So their mascot.
Ellie the elephant.
Adorable. It gives me like, it gives me Minnie Mouse vibes.
The sassiest mascot. She would dance behind the security guard, like just fucking with everyone. Such a giggler. She does like crazy, like amazing dance moves. So one thing I want to say about the Liberty.
Mm hmm.
Because it's women playing and the crowd that it brings, it's literally all not for the male gays.
And I can't explain the feeling, but it was just like gays and girls.
And when it was time for the dancers to come out.
I forgot what their name was, but it was a group of old women in sparkly dresses who go out and dance. And the crowd sold out, lost their fucking mind.
No, I'm upset.
They were, and they were loving, like, I didn't feel like, kind of like joy. I feel like sometimes when you go to a, um, a male basketball game. Yeah. Like everything's like, yo, what do the guys want to see? Where like you just don't feel like it's for you sometimes.
This was so fun.
To is like an all girls high school gym class.
Yes, exactly. Except the girls are all like incredibly athletic.
Incredible athletes. Like people don't know what it's like to be inside of an all girls high school gym class when people are.
The way I would have dominated, like the way I would be like blocking people's shots and shit. Like I would walk in and be like, move. I'm here.
The fact that I was like considered good.
No, you know what? I'm gonna give myself more credit.
Ball and being like, just pegging the shit out of people.
Well, that's what we played. We played capture the flag dodgeball Catholic school. No, we don't have to go by public school regulations. You can pelt someone right in the fucking head.
Yes, blame Jesus. It was Jesus.
No, they got crazy. They got really insane.
Get really crazy. So the thing with the Liberty game, what was crazy about it is that my dad is the biggest Liberty fan in the world.
Wait, things I didn't know I needed more of. You and your dad mic'd up at sporting events. That's a whole series I would watch.
Can we make you up? And I was like, this is my dream. This is my dream. Like, am I just, do I just talk for no reason? No, I need to be recorded and I need attention.
So. My dad is obsessed with Breonna Stewart. She's like, one of the greatest basketball players of all time. Like, I think he does love her more than me, but I'm working on that in therapy. So.
No, Hannah, him being like, come on, you could get out there with them. Like, that is so, that was so cute.
Well, he's just so used to coaching me. He's so used to coaching me that I feel like he's like, get out there, let me yell at you.
That was the equivalent of my dad being like, you could have married Prince Harry.
That is so hard.
Come on, get out. You could be a princess.
My dad did coach me with basketball, and I was really good, except I had like, I have small fingers. Like, I'm never gonna palm a basketball. Like, you could palm a basketball. So, we get there, and they have this thing called the Crown Club, which is, like, Jay-Z is part of all the Barclays Center stuff. So, you go to the Crown Club first. And, look, I don't wanna brag, but I'm kind of in with the power lesbian community of New York.
Like, I've.
Of New York.
Of New York City. There's, there's, it goes by state. And in New York, I'm up there. When I tell you.
Wait, this is such a Sex in the City episode, like, when Charlotte, like, hangs out with all the lesbians, and they, they're like, are you gonna be a lesbian? And she's like, I can. They're like, then you buzz off.
So, I'm close friends with Renee Stubbs, who is a Grand Slam winner, and like, she's kind of one of these social butterflies who's friends with everyone, mainly the most powerful lesbians in the world. So, she texts me, obviously she's at the Liberty game, because that's where the les, the power lesbians congregate. And it's me and my dad. So, we get to the table, and it's just like, all power lesbians. Like, one girl, like, ran a vagina microbiome company, obviously telling my dad about it. The other one, there's, um, Sophia Bush.
Someone cured UTIs, like, the woman that invented tampons was sitting there.
Ashlyn Harris, who's the incredible soccer player who was there. So, we sit down, and my dad's just there, and I gotta be like, guys, this is my dad. And I think at first, they were like, no, like, this is. Illegal. Like this is.
And they were like, and where's your other dad? Because this is not acceptable.
Exactly. But when they realize that he was like a real fucking huge fan, like he was there for the game. They fucking loved him. And they're, they're ta- like they're gossiping, yes, you know, my dad is a power lesbian. Like he's in it with them. And then behind him, I see Sue Bird. Who is like his favorite basketball player of all time and one of mine. So I look at him, I say, Dad, Sue Bird's behind you.
He starts like gasping for air and all the lesbians are like, what's going on? I'm like, he's, he loves Sue Bird. So Renee's like, yeah, she's my friend. I'm gonna go get her. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, you know, I hate that. I get very like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I wanna, don't.
You don't bother Sue Bird.
I don't bother Sue Bird. She's eating. Like, she's literally eating. That's like rule number one of rules. She gets up. Sue Bird comes walking over. And I know that Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe have a podcast. Everyone go listen to it. And I, they listen to our podcast. Like they're gigglers.
Oh, my gosh.
I knew I like had an in.
So I.
Well, this is a sports podcast.
This is a sports podcast. So I said, Sue, I'm obsessed. I want to introduce you to my dad. I look over to my dad. His eyes are welling up. He's crying.
Want to tell you, I haven't seen my dad cry ever.
No, really?
Not, he's not, not really.
See, I, my dad is an emotional guy.
No, my dad doesn't cry. My dad doesn't cry. My dad's like, I'm gonna go play golf for eight hours. That's how he processes his emotions. So I look over and he's literally like, can't get the words to, like when Starstruck was happening to him. But then I see my dad cry. So then I start getting emotional. So Sue Bird's just like, guys.
Then you started bringing up your dead grandpa. It's like, it's such.
Well, I was like, Sue, like he was, I started talking for him because he's just like peeing himself. So I'm like, you know, he's my coach and like, he would always say like, play like Sue Bird.
People don't talk about that enough. Like when you get to the age where you're in a situation and you're like, oh my God, my parents are flailing right now. I have to talk for them.
No, in that moment.
Me at the airport with my parents, I'm like, sorry, they don't speak English. I don't know. They forgot everything they've ever been taught.
I'm like, you're not Delta Platinum? Grow up, Gary. So my dad is still crying and then me and her just started talking. I think he got out some words. We smile, she leaves and he's like, did I just cry in front of Sue Bird? And I was like, yeah, like you, the power lesbians are disappointed in you. Like that wasn't, that wasn't cool. But then he's just having the best time of his life and we get, we get to our seats. And this is just a side note. I haven't like socialized that much in a while. There's so many little things that happen that could like ruin your night. I felt like I had a booger.
Do you know when you have a, you feel like there's a booger and then you finally like, I'm at a fucking basketball game. Like who knows who could be looking at me? But I'm like, I have to make sure there's not anything I know.
And it's like kind of itchy.
Yes, it's itching and like you think it's, it's like hanging and you can't find it.
And when you have fake nails, you can't like feel.
No, I, I know. So the, so I'm just like sticking my finger in and I can't find it. And then like, I was talking to Sophia Bush and she like looked at my nose and I was like, I have a booger in my nose. So then for like 30 minutes, 30 minutes of the game, I'm trying to find where this booger is.
Sophia Bush told me that I have a booger.
Sophia Bush literally was like, get your shit together. Next time you talk to me. No, side note, Sophia Bush was so nice. And fun and, and silly and goofy, just like everything you want her to be.
I mean, she's Brooke Davis.
My dad had no idea who she was and she's just like chatty chatting with him and I go, dad, she's from John Tucker Must Die.
She's one of the most iconic TV characters of all time.
Of all time. He goes up to her after he goes, you were in, you were in, um, Jack Must Die? And she's like, why are you talking? She starts laughing.
She's like, close enough.
Close enough. So anyway, we had, I, I think I got the booger. Like, I never really had that moment of freedom and like closure, but like, I think I was fine. And um, if, if you guys have the opportunity to go to a WNBA game, go, is moral the story. And I messaged Sue Bird, sorry, my dad and I cried when we met you.
Wait, I love that.
She hasn't responded yet.
Wait, how much fun?
It was, it was a lot of fun. We love a basketball game.
We really do. I'm like sportsed out, though, for the moment.
Well, baseball season's just getting into.
I know, I know, but like, I feel like I can, I can meet up with them in like, a month or two. Like, they'll still be at it.
Baseball season's forever. When people get upset about a game, I'm like, there's 400 games, calm down.
I'm like, it's fine. And I just felt like I had to watch the Knicks because I live in New York and I had to be, you know, I wanted to share with what everyone was talking about.
I know this is like niche New York, but like, the Knicks have sucked for so long, which Paige didn't know.
I didn't know. You know what? And I had, I had a really hot take. I was watching, actually, with my brother and his girlfriend. And I said, you know what? The Knicks kind of deserved to lose. The other team was a better team. And I'm, and I'm sorry, I'm not a sports broadcaster, but I felt like in that moment.
No, that's how I get over things. I'm like, we don't deserve this game.
You know, Indianapolis deserved that game.
They, but the Knicks are just, they were torturing us. I'm kind of happy it's over. Like, don't give me hope. I don't need hope.
Do you want to know what? Next year is their year. They need one more good player.
Wait, can I say one more thing?
We weren't cohesive. We were sloppy.
Everything you're saying's correct. Everything you're saying's correct. Where's mine?
I have eyes. I can watch a game and have, and have takes, you know?
No, you're like my mom, because she like, never played basketball, but she watches it so much that she literally knows everything. She'll be like, that guy's defense is bad. That guy's not good going on his left. And that guy fouls too much.
Indianapolis was so in sync. It was like, as if they were playing for 15 years together. Like, they just got it.
Ball, communicating, literally.
Their body language is saying everything to each other.
It's like watching two relationships and being like, you guys like each other and you guys, like, something's off. Get someone, you need to add someone new in this relationship.
They need to add another person.
One more thing about the Liberty.
Because it's all girls, like when the other team would mess up. Like normally if it's like I'm on a Knicks game, the other team messes up, I'm like boo, you suck. Because it was girls, I'm like, I root for women. Like when the other team messed up, I'd be like, good try.
Next time, and you're gonna get them next time.
Like I wasn't, I was not gonna yell at another woman. Like when they missed, I like felt bad. I was like, no, she doesn't deserve that. She worked so hard to get here. She doesn't deserve that. So I was.
Wait, I so get that. That's like how I feel watching the Olympics and it's like any, and it's like a female.
Any woman.
I'm just like, but they did so good.
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Anyway, you haven't brought up that I have a new Instagram photo. We've been talking for 40 minutes.
Like, what kind of friendship is this?
It's so funny, because when you DM.
No, like, sometimes you are so selfish about yourself. It's always about you. I can't do anything. I can't get attention.
When you DM'd me and said, like, just to let you know, I changed my Instagram photo, like, didn't want you to be alarmed. It was like, truly, three seconds prior to that, when I was reading a previous DM from you, I was like, oh my God, she changed her Instagram photo. Like, it's such a, it's such a moo. I haven't changed my Instagram. It's jarring. You keep your Instagram photo for more than six months.
I did keep it for a long time, so it's, I just feel like, everything's different. I'm different now. Like, you guys can start treating me different.
It's like you're in a new era when you change your Instagram profile picture.
Yes, I think if you're like, in a funk, before you like, do something drastic, change your Instagram profile.
Wait, I feel like you've influenced me, and I feel like I'm like, needing a change.
No, I was like, why hasn't she changed it? When, last time you changed it, you of course changed it to black and white, and it looked just like Dez's. And if you guys don't know, Dez and Paige are the same person.
They're literally the same person. I can't explain it. They're both Scorpio kings. And I was like, the two, my two favorite people in my life have the same profile picture.
What's your new one gonna be? You and Daphne?
You know, I'm not sure.
Yeah, you can't force it. You can't like look for it. It has to just come.
It has to come and I'm, and I'm feeling though, I'm feeling like later in the week, it will be different.
I think you should do something bright for summer.
Oh, I saw Sunset Boulevard. Sorry, I was busy. I was busy in New York City this week. I saw Sunset Boulevard, the play with Nicole Schlerger.
Oh, you did that quick. You just said you wanted to go see that.
I know. No, when you want something, I get it.
You get it.
I want it. I got it.
Who did you go with?
I lived in New York City for so many years and I never go to Broadway plays. Um, I went with Haley. And my mom. Um, the, okay.
You, it's not for you.
Yep.
And I'm not gonna put it on you. It was so creative. She, her voice, it's crazy to see a pop star that's like, loosen up my buttons babe.
I love her.
And I always thought she was talented.
Some people like don't respect pop stars. I do, because I respect women. Her voice was like operatic, like insane, like she, she's, she's, she was singing for that Tony.
Do you know that she's like the original like wag?
Who was she with?
She was with, um, no, she was with a Formula One. Yes.
He's not a Formula One, he's the Formula One.
For years, they were together and fun fact, they were both at the Met Gala this year.
So many exes were at the Met Gala.
We have, wait, we have not even spoken about our dear, dear, dear, dear friend. Haley become, Haley selling her company for a.
I do have to say.
I had a beautiful moment of like, I feel like that's something you should be jealous of. The warmth in my heart when I saw that.
I was like, it was like one of us won.
It was one of us won.
Did you not feel like one of your friends?
A win is a win.
A win is a fucking win.
When I saw, I was like, hell yeah.
I was like, you know what?
Hell yeah.
What the hellie? What the helli?
Fuck yeah Haley.
I think it's because I know it pissed some people off, which makes me happy.
Me too. I was like, oh my god, the amount of people that have been making just the most insane videos about her saying the worst things, tearing her marriage apart, all the things. And she's like, sorry, I can't hear you. I was busy inking a billion dollar contract.
So many people love to talk shit on women for like, and calling her a gold digger and whatever, da da da. And like, yes, Justin is a huge part of her life. But so many celebrities have brands that they don't put the effort in. They don't have the X factor. Let's be honest, everyone copies Hailey Bieber and she uses this shit and she created amazing team around her. Honestly, it shows like, there's so many different facets of your life. And if she is, I'm not saying this is true, this is alleged, if Justin is struggling really hard,
like she also has other places in her life where she's getting fulfilled.
Right.
Cause your life is not just based on who you're with. That's not gonna bring you happiness. That's not gonna fulfill you.
Preach.
So that's huge. And now I kind of feel like even more celebrities are gonna like, try to put their name on stuff. I don't know. I think it's, or it's just a big time for building brands, but she's, she is unique with like, what she built. It's great.
And we don't have to pit women against each other. There's, there's space for Rare, there's space for Rode, there's space for everyone. And we love them too.
Vote for us for president.
And we love them too.
And he is a nice man, Savannah. Wait, I'm so excited for the episode to drop tonight. Well, it's, it's out already.
Right, it will have been out already.
It's the tennis episode.
The Wisconsin episode.
So the funniest part about the episode, it actually was the most like, reality TV where, when I watched it.
I was talking about you behind your back and you didn't know.
I didn't. The storyline literally wasn't what I experienced.
I thought it was gonna be like this like adorable like Hannah playing.
So cute.
And it was like Paige being like Hannah tricked me. I don't wanna be here.
This is monstrous.
You go, I'm being tortured. I'm held against my will. So that's if you don't want, if you want how reality TV works, watch this episode. It would be funny. It would be so funny to do for each episode, two edited episodes, one your edit, one my edit.
How I thought the day went versus how you thought the day went.
As a science experiment, we should just take one episode and completely re-edit it and show like what reality TV like, how it really can go.
I do think we, people were commenting, like obviously we were super busy. If we had more time and maybe we'll do this in the future, I think it would be really fun with confessionals. But like we kinda did confessionals throughout, like just to the camera.
Next time we film a vlog, I'm gonna be in a different headspace and it's gonna be different. I already have so many ideas.
Write them down so you don't forget. Um, yeah, confessionals would be so fun. Oh yeah, so Sunset Boulevard, she ends like with blood. That's like the thing.
Oh, okay.
Takes a bow, so it's like kinda gone viral, her bleeding. Um, I love a woman with like blood, normalizing blood. It's basically me every time I try to shave my toes. It just gets everywhere. It's like a murder scene.
This just reminded me of it and I don't know why and like I feel like you could tell how I got here because like blood, period, whatever. The other day, um, you know how you're just like, you're a woman against thongs. It's not for you. You don't, you're only doing it if it's absolutely necessary.
And I'll still fight it.
And you'll fight it. I was wearing a pair of sweatpants in my own home, but I didn't have any underwear on. Like I just, they were like a, like my aloe sweatpants are just like big. And so like I was just, I'm not gonna put any underwear on. I'm in my own house, whatever. So I'm walking around my house because I'm obviously trying to also get my steps in. And I thought to myself, interesting, is this what it feels like to not wear a thong and to wear granny panties? Because like my butt's just like out, but like together.
Honestly, it feels like that, except with a warm hug.
Cause I don't, I don't like raw dogging it like that. That's too open and airy for me.
Can I tell you something? Why I think you're diabolical for it? I hate the feeling of walking and feeling my butt cheeks together.
I, I feel like I get sweaty and I'm like itchy.
When you wear a thong, it doesn't like separate, it separates a part of your butt cheek, but then you're, the rest of your butts are touching, right?
I just felt like my butt was closer together than I'd like.
You go, we're cousins, not twins. Um, that's crazy. I also think, I'm gonna be honest. I think I, maybe I, I have a fat ass and I think when you put a thong in.
No, that's what I'm saying. I'm like.
It feels like, I don't know, it makes it like bigger.
How much do you think during the week we think about each other, but we don't?
I'm at the point where like everything I hear or see has to go through like, what would Paige think?
Which is actually.
I'm at the part where like, I feel like we're still in our honeymoon phase, even though we've been together for like seven years. I'm still at the part where like, I'm looking for ways to bring you up. In conversation or like see something and I'm like Hannah would love that.
We're literally like couples, like you can, you fall in love deeper over time. Like love transforms in different ways.
Like our honeymoon phase hasn't like gone, like it's gonna be like this forever, I think.
Oh my God, any guy you, you're with has no chance. I feel so fucking bad for them.
No, I know. It's so just like.
Oh man. It's really tough out here.
Have you watched Sirens?
I'm obsessed.
See like, I can't stop watching, but I like, don't know if I like it.
Hannah, it's so good. I feel like at the very end, have you watched the whole thing?
No, I'm like three episodes in.
Okay, wait till you get, no.
Well, anything Julianne Moore does, I'm in. Like, she's incredible. She's incredible. My thing is, Megan Fahy.
When you finish the whole series as a whole, there is a bigger meaning. It's actually so tailored to you because it basically says how multifaceted women are. They're not good or bad. They're not like evil or like angel. Like, there's so, and there's, everything is nuanced. No, everything is nuanced. No, but you always say women are multifaceted. Don't put me in a box. And they kind of prove throughout the series, you can't put any of them in a box.
I love a show where like, yeah, you can't put your finger on the villain. Like, just when you think someone is your like weight and then you're like, oh, I like that.
And you be like, I love when you see the villain's perspective and you're like, well, yeah.
I love Megan Fahy. I think I might have watched, um, the show that she was on that was really famous that everyone watched. What's it called?
White Lotus.
White Lotus, a little too recent, because I'm like, that's the girl from White Lotus.
Why are they trying to make her look poor?
She actually has great comedic timing.
Great comedic timing. She's, I think she's like the it girl right now. Like, she's in everything. She's just so likeable.
Do you want to know what else? She's so beautiful.
Yeah, naturally.
Naturally.
And her, her eyes are crazy.
I'm like, oh my god, you don't have any lip filler. Like, you're just such a like beautiful face. You have such a gorgeous face.
She, like, also just seems like the girl you'd gravitate towards at a party to talk to. Like, she wouldn't be weird.
I feel like she looks like girl, like a girl I went to high school with.
Yeah, she's, I, yeah, I love her. Okay, so watching Sirens, I have to highly recommend to you guys, the Pee Wee Herman documentary. I've been waiting this whole time to bring it up. Okay, it's on HBO Max or Max or whatever. Did you hear HBO Max is, is like going backwards?
I mean, are they?
Who, who decided we have to go to Max and now has to be like, actually never mind?
It's just like, what's going on in the boardroom there?
Talk about bad collaboration.
Yeah, they're not, obviously best idea doesn't win at HBO. They don't, they don't follow that.
That's like literally telling everyone like, hey, I go by Han now. And then after like a week be like, no, I'm Hannah. And it's like, hmm, what?
It's like you literally can't give yourself your own nickname.
You cannot pick your nickname and that's literally the second rule of everything.
And that's what HBO like was trying to do. They're like, I go by Max now.
No, you're not. Someone has to give that to you. You can't just act like you have a cool nickname.
I didn't know anything about Pee Wee Herman. Do you?
Not really.
It's kind of off brand for us. Also, it was the eighties, which we don't remember.
We weren't born.
If anything, I was like, he's this like stupid character. The lore of Pee Wee Herman is so incredible. So he does this documentary. He doesn't tell anyone that he's like been dealing with cancer for six years.
He just doesn't tell anyone. And I'm not going to give away spoilers, but it shows the process of like how he became the character Pee Wee Herman, which involved like him being a serious actor, him getting rejected from SNL, him, all this stuff, him coming out of the closet, going back in the closet, finding the role and then watching him blow up, watching him get canceled. Like it was so many things. So like, I love hearing someone's story about their like creative career as we've been, you know, the theme of this episode is the creative process. So I highly recommend it and he's hilarious, like truly hilarious.
So he was mainly an actor though?
So he was an actor that turned into like a comedian and then he, cause he was like an improv guy at the Groundlings. And you play a lot of different characters.
I feel like when I was little, I would see the Pee Wee Herman show, but I was like freaked out by it and I didn't like it.
It's possible. It's cause he's like quirky, but he's very like alt comedy, like avant garde.
And I didn't, I thought it was corny. Then I was like, no, he's a genius. And it was the kind of thing where he didn't want to like be himself because he's in the closet. So he like put everything into Pee Wee Herman and like that was who he was.
Got it.
And then he gets in trouble. Not as Peewee Herman and it affects Peewee Herman and it's this whole thing, but um Very, very interesting, very interesting.
Okay, I love that.
What are you watching?
I actually just started this show on Netflix called The Secrets Secrets We Keep, but it's like in Sweden. Swedish.
Wait, you never read um.
Okay, well, I was like, shoot, am I really gonna like read this? And then they dubbed it over, so I'm actually listening to it in.
So now you're just, it just sounds like everyone's like bad lip syncing?
Yeah, but I'm like obsessed.
So you love it, it's good?
I love it, it's good. Um, I feel like there was one other documentary I wanted to ask.
I watched the Brett Favre documentary. Is it Brett Favre?
No. I feel like I saw it and I was like, wait, I wanna see if I'll think of it.
There is, there's one out about um, when they put like anthrax in Advil, which I just wasn't in the mood for that.
That was like a little, that was where I put my foot down. I said, let's have some boundaries.
I said, do we really need to do this?
Wait, so did Peewee Herman die?
He's dead.
And that's not spoiler, that's a fact. And you have to decipher between the two.
Yeah, totally.
Um, there's a nine eleven one, which I like can't watch nine eleven stuff, but I was, I'm like getting better and I, I, I watched the beginning of it and it was kind of.
It was really fucking interesting because it shows like What was going on with the FBI during it, what they were hearing, what information.
I watched a couple of episodes of it, or like the first two or something.
And then the Brett Favre documentary is basically just that he was like a creepo and when you're like Larger than life as an athlete, you think you could get away with everything. A tale as old as time.
Truly.
As some would say.
Sometimes like, do you ever just like, and I'm not high, but do you ever just like look at us and you're like, oh, we're doing a podcast for like five, like sometimes.
How do we still have stuff to talk about? Do you ever like midway when we're like really passionate about something? I'm like, it's a miracle that we're still talking?
No, like I think about it all the time. I'm just like, okay, but like, am I really gonna be married to someone for forty years? And then like if I think about it, like I've been in such a healthy relationship with you for almost ten years.
So this is the longest healthiest relationship we both have ever been in.
Literally.
Like I compare every relationship to our relationship. Any guy, I'm like, you're not funny. Like if I can laugh, if I can laugh this much at home, why would I go out? I'm like, why buy the cab when you get?
I'm like, I'm laughing at home by myself. What can you give me?
You're like, honestly, it's kind of the same with Hannah. We like, I don't come with either of you, except she makes me laugh. So you're out. You're out.
You're out.
So my positive story of the week, which is a new thing we're trying, it probably isn't gonna last. My mom and I were driving to Sunset Boulevard and it was like raining and we're stuck on 42nd Street and we're like, we should just get out. And my mom is like, it's raining. Like, let's just wait a little longer. I'm like, I don't know how long we're gonna be in this traffic. And finally she's like, let's just get out. The traffic's too bad. And the guy goes, hold on. And I'm like, did I forget something? This Uber driver gives us his umbrella.
And I go, at first I was like, is there anthrax in this? Like what's, what's? And he was like, here. And we were like,
New Yorkers are beautiful.
The best.
The best people. And I don't care what, what people think. Oh, you got robbed once if I had a nickel. New Yorkers, New Yorkers are there for you.
No, in tough times. Like if you need.
In tough times.
If you need help, a New Yorker is stopping and helping you. But if you, but they don't care.
This is my, they don't care about the little things, but like, he, that was so fucking sweet of him. And it like, made me like, just happy in that moment. But I do have to say, I don't fuck with umbrellas. I think they're nasty little things.
I don't subscribe to it at all. I think it's like.
I can't be myself if I have to hold an umbrella.
It's a social construct.
I can't hold a conversation. I'm worrying about where my umbrella is.
Like I, I live in an alternate reality because like truly when it's raining, it's raining for other people, not me. It's literally not raining for me.
I treat umbrellas the same way I treat tampons. I'm like, if I don't use it. It'll stop.
And when you're done, you're done.
The period will stop. When I'm done, I'm done. I'm done.
Good help.
Also, put your hand over your head.
I need to free bleed and like, the rain needs to be free as well.
When it rains, I drew Barrymore that shit, because I'm not, I don't know, I don't live in fear. I don't live in fear. And that's the mental health moment. You guys, thank you so much for giggling with us. We love you so.
So much. I'm so excited about Daphne. We'll see you next week.
Love you. Bye.
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