The Basement: Scott Wolter | Knights Templar, the Green Jar and the Scroll That Changes Everything

Scott Wolter, a forensic geologist, has spent 25 years following a trail of physical evidence — rocks, runes, bones, and buried artifacts — that leads somewhere most historians refuse to go. It starts with a stone pulled from a Minnesota farm field in 1898 and ends with a sealed jar dug up from the Adirondack wilderness last August. What's inside connects the Knights Templar, the Founding Fathers, the Talpiot Tomb in Jerusalem, and a scroll that may be the most significant document ever recovered. Scott doesn't speculate. He brings receipts. And after 25 years of following this trail, he's ready to share what he found — and what it means for everything we think we know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4pT6PpCoQ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:03Speaker 00

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• 0:30AJ Gentile?

  Okay, I'm excited about this one. We're going deep with Scott Walter, forensic geologist, TV host, and one of the most controversial researchers in America. Scott made his name by solving murders with rocks, using geological evidence to date concrete and crack cold cases. But then he applied those same scientific methods to the Kensington Rune Stone, and everything changed. His research led him down a path that started with medieval runes, moved through Knights Templar treasures hidden in North America, and ended up somewhere nobody expected: in a little green jar. Scott's newest book just dropped, The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told. And the story he tells me today, about the green jar? It's gonna challenge everything you think you know about history, religion, and who

• 1:14AJ Gentile?

  we really are. This conversation gets heavy, and I mean really heavy. Some people are gonna be offended, but that's not Scott's intention. I think we should hear him out. Let's go down to the basement.

• 1:33AJ Gentile?

  Scott, welcome to the basement. Before we get to the fun stuff, can you tell us how your TV... because we all know you from TV. How your TV journey started right here in Las Vegas with a murder case?

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You've done your homework, good for you. Well, yeah, you know, and I do material forensics for a living. I run a materials forensic laboratory. Been doing the work since 1985, but I started my own lab in 1990. And in 2004, I was... and essentially what we do is... For the most part, autopsy's on concrete and rock and we try to solve problems, you know, mostly in the concrete industry. Why did it crack? Why did it have low strength? You know, what happens if it's exposed to fire damage? What happens if a plane hits it?

• 2:22Speaker 02

  If a plane hits it like at 9/11, that is true. We did that as well. Um, but, uh, one time I received a call from a guy by the name of Lieutenant, uh, Tom Monahan, and he called from the Las Vegas homicide department and he said, um, I, I said, "Why are you calling me?" He said, "Well, we have a murder victim that was found buried in a shallow grave in the desert outside of Las Vegas," which I found out is not, not a rare thing. Nope. But what was unusual about this case was this person was totally encased in concrete. And of course, the first question I asked is, "How, how was this person found?

• 3:05Speaker 02

  How, how did that happen?" And he said that, um, um, a man was out jogging with his dog and he stepped on what turned out to be the thinnest part of the concrete, which was, uh, between the, you know, the pubic region and the belly button of this deceased female. And it collapsed and the dog immediately went into the hole and this guy starts reaching in the hole and was pulling out bones. Oh, my God. And apparently- So this wasn't in a drum or something? It just- No, it was the ground. He, I mean, he didn't know what it was, right? And it collapsed under his, the weight of his foot and it, and if he had stepped anywhere else, it wouldn't have collapsed. It was that spot. So maybe it was meant to be. Mm-hmm.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  But anyway, um, so once he started pulling out what he thought were human bones, he called 911. Anyway, so I said, "Well, that's crazy," I said, "But what do you want from me?" And he said, "Well, we really don't have anywhere else to go, but we had heard about your work on the rune stone and relative age dating. Can you do the same thing with concrete?" And I said, "Well, we've never done anything like that before." And the reason they wanted that, uh, to try to establish the age of the concrete was to establish a time of death. Sure. And then they could go back and look at the missing case files. And the reason was they've got-

• 4:28Speaker 02

  A huge game and to nail it down would have been helpful. So the timing was what they were looking for. And I said, look, I've never done anything like this before, but I have a couple of ideas. And so if you're willing to try, I'm willing to try. And he said, we have nowhere else to go. So he said, and I said, when do you want me to come out? He said, as soon as possible. So I got a flight the next day. And I flew out here. And I remember Detective Rob Wilson picked me up at the airport and it was a beautiful sunny day like it always is in Vegas, right? And he drove me to the coroner's lab, which was cold and, you know, kind of dark. And I remember I walked, when I walked in the

• 5:12Speaker 02

  building the first time, there were five gurneys lined up with dead bodies on them, naked and various trauma. And I remember walking by, looking at him, and I thought to myself, we're not in Minnesota anymore.

• 5:25AJ Gentile?

  I'm a rock guy. What am I doing here?

• 5:27Speaker 02

  What am I doing here? Anyway, so then they pulled out another one of these gurneys with a big, large, oversized, yellow body bag and they unzipped it. And there was the concrete. And it was in two, two pieces. There was, what the perpetrator had done is dug a shallow trench, kind of a long trench, almost canoe shaped, and laid down a layer of concrete. And I was able to determine that was in three lifts.

• 5:58AJ Gentile?

  This sounds like a nice Italian job, do it the right way.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Do it the right way, yeah. And finish the surface. No, it wasn't finished. But anyway, they, they laid a layer of concrete down, they put the victim in, and then the next load, if you will, of concrete was placed over the front part of the body. And then the last part was, no, the first part, the second part was over the legs, the last part was over the, the head and body, because that was the lowest water content. It was real thick and rubbly. It didn't flow as much. And that's because he was probably running out of water is what we, we, we thought.

• 6:38AJ Gentile?

  Wow. Did you give them some leads on that?

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. We talked about all this. I mean, and it was strange because as I was doing my examination. Um, the coroner was right there and, and I'm asking him questions and, you know, he's asking me questions. It was in Monahan and Wilson are looking at us, you know, and, and I kinda got into the zone a little bit, you know, and, and it was weird because everything is in reverse, you know, I mean, like, like a breast is positive, but in the mold, it was negative.

• 7:13AJ Gentile?

  Everything's like a relief now.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's, it's, it's the opposite. Everything's opposite. So it was a little confusing, but eventually I got, you know, sort of accustomed to what I was looking at and I could see where the trauma had been and it was pretty tough, you know. So anyway, um, and then in a, in like a paper grocery bag were her bones because they had the bones, right?

• 7:38AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  And they were all in a bag. It was, they didn't know who this person was. It was, it just seemed really, you know, weird.

• 7:45AJ Gentile?

  It's sad.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  It was sad. Yeah. It was really sad.

• 7:47AJ Gentile?

  They never could ID her?

• 7:48Speaker 02

  No. So I said, well, here's what I propose. We'll take a sample here. We'll take a sample there and I'll go back to the lab. And so there were two things that I was thinking about. One is when you place concrete, it sets up and it gets hard, right?

• 8:03AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  And what it is, is a heat generating chemical reaction. It's a lot like popcorn. And so the, the cement grains will react and form glues that make the concrete get hard. And when it first sets up and the heat starts, it's poppity, poppity, you know, it's setting up and it's getting hard fast. But over time, what happens is just like microwave popcorn. It's poppity, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

• 8:30AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  Pop. Over years.

• 8:33AJ Gentile?

  Over years?

• 8:34Speaker 02

  And decades. Yes.

• 8:36AJ Gentile?

  So it continues to cure or whatever that is?

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Well, yes, it does, but it's so slow, it's imperceptible unless you're looking at it under a microscope. And under polarized light and you can see the percentage of unhydrated particles. So it's very important when I do an analysis and I'm trying to determine what the water cement ratio was of that concrete, I'm looking at the unhydrated particles that are left. That's why I have to know when that concrete was placed, to put it in context. Does that make sense? It does. That's a clock. The other thing that happens is we have a chemical reaction called carbonation, where

• 9:17Speaker 02

  carbon dioxide will react with lime and calcium hydroxide in the concrete to form calcium carbonate. And what's kind of ironic about that is when we make Portland cement, you take limestone and silica and gypsum and some other stuff, but mostly limestone, and you fire it and you drive off the carbon dioxide and you end up with lime. And then you add water to it and it gets hard. But when it carbonates, it takes back the carbon dioxide and forms limestone, calcium carbonate. Right. Okay. That reaction is called carbonation. And it's progressive over time. And it's

• 9:57Speaker 02

  dependent upon the water cement ratio or the density of the, of the concrete, the amount of CO2 gas or methane that it's exposed to, and time. So the depth of carbonation was the other clock that I was thinking I might be able to use. Never done anything like this before. So went back, did the testing, and I wrote a report and I said, I think she's been there between one and three years. And I remember I sent my report, I emailed it to Tom, and I thought, well, I'll never hear anything. And about four months later, I

• 10:37Speaker 02

  got a call and it was Tom. And he said, Scott, he said, are you on your computer? I said, yes. He said, go to missingkids.com. And within a minute, I was looking at her face. Oh, my God. I said, and I'm getting emotional just thinking about it again because my daughter was pretty close to her age. She was seventeen. And I said, how'd you do it? He said, well, he said, um, do you remember when we showed you the molds that we made of the different parts of the body? And I said, yes, I do. And he said, you remember the mold of the face? And I said, yes, I do. He said, we had an artist do a reconstruction of her face.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  We got one call, a woman who lived in Vegas who said, I think I know who your Jane Doe is. She gave her the name. They pulled the dental records. They had the upper and lower jaw, and it was a match.

• 11:32AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Now, I need to back up. Before he called me back, after he got my report, about two, three weeks after that, he called me and said, hey, Scott, Detective Rob Wilson and I are coming to Minneapolis. We would like, I'd like to come see your lab. And I'd already gotten to know him pretty well, and he was from the East and played in the men's hockey league, and so did I at the time. And I said, hey, man, you want to go to a Wild game? And he said, yeah, I do. So we, I got tickets. He came and toured the lab, and then we went to Aller's Bar in St. Paul before the hockey game. And we're having a couple of beers,

• 12:16Speaker 02

  and he was one of those guys that had just this intense look. He had a black mustache, and he'd just look right through you. And we're sitting there having a beer, and I asked him why he was in town. And he said, well, we thought we'd come and see your lab, but the real reason we're here is we were going to take dental, um, impressions of a guy who's dying of cancer who we believe, um, committed a murder. And I said...

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• 13:14Speaker 02

  Dental impressions? Are you talking about bite marks on a victim? And he said, yes. So he went in there to this guy who was dying of cancer. And he said, you're going to give us these dental impressions, or we're going to put you in jail and you're going to die in a cold cell. If you give us the impressions, we'll let you die at home. And they got him. And that's a whole nother story. That's a great story. But anyway, so we talked about that when we're sitting in the bar. And then he looks at me with that look. And he goes, so what do you really think? And I knew what he was asking me. I had written one to three years of my report. And I looked at him and I said, well, Rob, or Tom, I said,

• 13:59Speaker 02

  I think she's been there between one and a half and two years. But I put one to three years because I thought that's what I could testify to and back up.

• 14:06AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  But I'm telling you. And he said, looked at me, goes, me too. Finished our beers, went to the game, the wild one. He took off. And that's one I thought I would never hear from again. Then I got the call. And then he said, um, we got the one call and we pulled the dental records and it was a match. And he said, I thought you'd want to know, she was reported missing a year and 10 months from when we found her.

• 14:34AJ Gentile?

  Wow, nailed it.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  And I remember thinking to myself, well, I'll be damned, this shit actually works. So that was, so, so, okay, that's a long story, but I haven't told that one for a long time. It was kind of fun.

• 14:49AJ Gentile?

  That's a good story, but how do you end up on TV from a murder case?

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Okay, well, I'll get to that, but I just want to say one more thing about that. I'm waiting for one more call.

• 14:58AJ Gentile?

  The perpetrator?

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Because the last thing he said to me was, if we go to trial someday, will you testify? Like, you're not afraid about some guy coming? I said, fuck him. I said, hell, yes. So I'm waiting for one more call.

• 15:13AJ Gentile?

  Okay. I hope you get that call.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Hasn't happened yet. It's been a long time, so. And I know some more things that I can't talk about about the case, so.

• 15:22AJ Gentile?

  Well, don't do that.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Don't do that. That's a, that's a Mick Jagger. Oh, don't do that.

• 15:31AJ Gentile?

  Okay, so you solve a murder and you end up on the number one show on the network?

• 15:35Speaker 02

  So what happened was, um, a woman by the name of Maria Oz, who, um, her husband is Andy Oz. They were in the process at the time of founding a production company called Committee Films that ended up doing America on Earth. She was working for a local television station, WCCO TV, as an investigative reporter. She caught wind of the case and of the work that we did, and she wanted to interview me. So she comes into my, into the lab, into my office, she sits down. I had just gotten back from my third or fourth trip to Sweden investigating, you know, the runes and everything on the Kensington Rune Stone.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  And I had been given a poster for, um, a conference that we had attended. And we had a debate at this conference and I had it hanging. I had just put it up on my wall.

• 16:28AJ Gentile?

  The stone, like the image of the?

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Well, it's Olaf Olman, that iconic picture of him standing there with the stone, right? And it was, that's the poster and it was in Swedish, right? And so she comes walking in, she goes, "Oh, have you done some work on the Kensington Rune Stone?" I said, "Sit down, girl." And I told her that story and I told her about, um, you know, the murder case. And that weekend, WCCO aired both stories. The murder case on Friday and then Saturday. They, they used to do this thing called a dimension story, which was like a five-minute-long, you know, extended piece. And they did the Rune Stone on Saturday. Well, she went home and told her husband and Andy's like, oh my God, this is a great story.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  Maybe we could do something. So he calls me and I said, dude, I'm giving a lecture at the Chan Assen Library, uh, this Saturday. I said, come on and hear the story. I'm talking about the Runestone. And, and so he came to the library. I gave the lecture. He says, can I buy you lunch? I said, sure, let's go eat. And we went over there. He goes, this would make a great documentary. I said, fuck, let's go. And so he, uh, he said, well, we got to raise a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I'm like, oh, how are we gonna do that? So I begged and borrowed from friends and, and, and I told them, I said, hey, we, we want to do this film. And a lot of people knew about

• 17:52Speaker 02

  the Runestone and the work we were doing and, you know, where we were going with it. And, and they wanted to support it. And I said, look, don't, don't put your rent money. I said, we'll probably lose it all. But if, you know, I really feel strongly about this. And, and if you want to contribute. And we raised the money. But you know who wrote the biggest check? Janet and I.

• 18:14AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  I wasn't gonna let anybody put in more money than us. And, um,

• 18:19AJ Gentile?

  So your producers on your show?

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:21AJ Gentile?

  And how did you end up selling it to History?

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Well, here's what happened. So Andy and I, he says, well, okay, well, where do we go? Well, we gotta go to Sweden. We gotta go to Scotland. We gotta go to France. We gotta go to all these places because it's going down the Templar Road, right? And this is early on in the Templar Road. And, um, so we, the four of us went. It was Andy, um, Ben Kruger, uh, who was our A cam? I can't, I'm drawing a blank now. But anyway, the four of us went there and Andy and me. And when I wasn't in front of the camera, I was hauling shit and, you know, hold the boom, we were interviewing. That's where I met Alan Butler.

• 18:58AJ Gentile?

  Oh, okay.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. At Revo Abbey, one of the most gorgeous abbeys in all of England. It's just amazing. And he could not have been a nicer guy. I was like intimidated to meet him because I had read all of his books, The Goddess, The Grail and the Lodge, Virgin and the Pinnacle. And I mean, all he had, and, and the way he writes, you start reading and all of a sudden it's done. It's like, shit, I, I want more, you know?

• 19:22AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  And I was, so when I met him, I was, I was a little intimidated. And he was just, We're pals like that. He's just so wonderful. And as you know, he and Janet, we, we became really good friends and stayed in touch, of course. And then he and Janet wrote their book together. And um, we're planning to go see him this summer. So, and he's been struggling a little with his health. He, he'll admit it. He was a chain smoker, you know, back in the day. He's, he was one of those fucking guys smoking cigarettes all the time. That's what he says. I was fucking this, fucking that. But uh, he's wonderful. So anyway, um, we filmed, um, and that became, um, Holy Grail in America. And what they

• 20:03Speaker 02

  did was Andy and Maria went to Reelscreen, which happens, I think in January is the big gathering. And that's where all the production companies pitch their shows, the networks buy their shows. And so what they, what they will do is they'll have screenings of certain shows, uh, that are, and they had a screening of ours. And I remember there was a five-minute pitch reel that we, they rented, um, a studio with a marquee, you know, and everybody that was involved. It was a really fun party. And, you know, it was, Janet and I are like, oh, this is crazy, you know. And, uh, to see holy, in, on a marquee was really cool.

• 20:44AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, of course.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  It was great. And so anyway, they aired the trailer at, um, Reelscreen and six networks wanted it.

• 20:54AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  And history paid the most.

• 20:55AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  That's all they got it. So then we, so that aired and it did really well. Um, really well.

• 21:02AJ Gentile?

  Why do you think that is? That was a hit show.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Well, I think there was, um,

• 21:08AJ Gentile?

  Why did it resonate with people? It resonated with me and my family.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Really?

• 21:11AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Well, I, I, I, you know, you know, the thing about it was, um, and I don't want to toot my own horn, but I, we did some really good research. And like I said, you know, I just said it when we did the short. I trust rocks. I don't trust some people. I, I really don't. And rocks don't care. They don't give a shit. They just are. And the rock told me it was old.

• 21:39AJ Gentile?

  The stone, the ruined stone?

• 21:40Speaker 02

  I'm talking about the ruined stone.

• 21:41AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  And I knew it was real. And therefore, if it's real, and that date is correct, which I know is correct because it's double dated using a code, uh, Somebody carved it.

• 21:54AJ Gentile?

  Can you give us a quick three second?

• 21:56Speaker 02

  The code?

• 21:57AJ Gentile?

  No, three sentences of what the stone is.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, okay.

• 21:59AJ Gentile?

  For the one person who doesn't know.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. God, I figured the whole world knows.

• 22:03AJ Gentile?

  Me, too.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  What's going on here? I assume all the time. Well, the Kensington Rune Stone is an artifact that was found by a Swedish immigrant farmer by the name of Olaf Omen, who was clearing trees in preparation for farming on his hundred acre parcel of property, about two hours northwest of Minneapolis, Minnesota, near Alexandria, Minnesota, in a town just outside of a town called Kensington. And this was in the fall of 1898. He was clearing trees in preparation for farming, and he tipped over this 25 to 30 year old aspen tree with his two oldest sons that were present at the time. And this rock was pulled out of the ground in the roots of the tree.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  And it was the younger son Edward who first noticed that there was something carved on it. And eventually, the inscription was realized to be carved in old Swedish. But we now know, looking back, that this is an amazingly complex inscription that was carved by a deeply initiated Susterian monk. I think we might even know who his name is.

• 23:09AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  But in any case, it's filled with symbolism, allegory, and code. And I think I figured out what the codes are, because when I became initiated as a Templar, going through the Cryptic Council's degrees, I suddenly realized, and that's a great story, too, that the story that is encoded within it is part of the Book of Enoch. It's part of the Enochian mysteries.

• 23:40AJ Gentile?

  I have never heard that.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Well, no, you've never heard that, because it's being suppressed.

• 23:46AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  I mean, you know, Janet and I had a conversation this morning, I'm just going to tail off for a second, and all this craziness that's happening with these cults and, you know, the trafficking and the whole world is coming down, right? They've been suppressing this, too.

• 24:05AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, Book of Enoch, not considered part of the. Bible, but as it's been discovered that it probably was. Book of Ina probably was part of the part of the Bible at some point.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  It was, it was, it definitely was. And

• 24:23Speaker 02

  it's in this stuff.

• 24:25AJ Gentile?

  Before we get to that, how did you, how did you come to study the stone?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  So the rune stone, so the rune stone. So, um, so for a hundred and whatever years until July of 2000, it was considered a hoax because the scholars that looked at the inscription were simply unable to figure out what it was because of what we just talked about. It's way more complex. And, um,

• 24:49AJ Gentile?

  And their arguments are the language is anachronistic and that sort of thing.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  And it's, that's all bullshit.

• 24:54AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  The language, the runes, that when I went to Sweden five times, that's what I found. I found everything. But anyway, um, so the rune stone's been considered a hoax. In July of 2000, I was approached by representatives that, uh, for the Rune Stone Museum who said, we would like, uh, to ask you to perform. And they had met with my professors. They went to the University of Minnesota Duluth, where I went, went to college on a football scholarship. And I met a wonderful professor who inspired me to go into geology. I was very fortunate to meet Charlie Match. Anyway, um, they went up and saw my professors and they said, go see Scott Walter. That's how I got the job. Anyway, so they came in and this guy starts talking to me about the Kenzina rune stone. And I said, what's that? I never heard of it.

• 25:39AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  And after, you know, later on, I talked to other people and everybody around me knew what it was. And I'm like, I must've missed school that day or something. I didn't know what they were talking about. So anyway, I remember that, and the guy clearly was an advocate for authenticity and I gave him the speech and I said, look, I'll be happy to do this work for you, but you need to understand when I get done, I may give you news you're not going to like. And you're still gonna pay me.

• 26:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Okay? That's the beautiful thing about my job. I get paid either way. It doesn't matter what the results are, right? So that's, but those are the ground rules. And he said, okay, so off we went.

• 26:17AJ Gentile?

  So he didn't hire you to study language, he hired you to study the stone.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  A stone.

• 26:20AJ Gentile?

  How do you, how do you date it?

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Well.

• 26:22AJ Gentile?

  What did he want you to do?

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Great question. Um, and, and, look, I just made it up. I completely made up what I thought was a, um, a way that I could do that. Um, and I said, when I did the short, somebody asked a really good question that led to exactly what you just asked me. And so first and foremost, it starts with the geology. For example, if you have a piece of quartz or quartzite, I can't do anything with that because it doesn't weather, right?

• 26:52AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  Second thing, I need to know the context. Where has this artifact been? For example, in the case of the rune stone, it's been buried in the ground since it was put in the ground presumably in 1362 as a land claim. And it was recovered in 1898. So we're talking about 600 or so years of weathering, right?

• 27:10AJ Gentile?

  Is that stone indigenous to the area or did they bring that stone in?

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Another great question. Yes, we have sourced that rock.

• 27:17AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  It's part of the Thompson Formation. If you go up just south of Duluth, um, there is a formation called the Thompson For- I mapped those rocks when I was in college. So I knew the rock right away, once I got a thin section. And, um, so the first thing you have to do is identify the rock type. And, um, as we said, you know, quartzite, you can't do anything. Um, but this rock type is something called a, and there will be a quiz, so pay attention.

• 27:44AJ Gentile?

  Okay, go for it.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Paleoproterozoic metagreywacky, okay?

• 27:48AJ Gentile?

  I can't do it.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  I can't do it. Thompson Formation, okay?

• 27:53AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  I knew right away. And it has about, well, the rune stone has 17 different minerals in it. And in fact, what was really fun is I was able to pull one of my professors out of retirement, Dr. Richard Ojikangas, to come help me and do his own. I said, "Hey, Dick, will you do a point count? I'll do mine. We'll compare notes," right? And he's one of the premier sedimentologists in the world, I would argue, the best sedimentologist. And he just died earlier, no, late last year, a couple of months ago. I just got that. It was very sad. He was wonderful. Ninety-three. Anyway, so Dick did it. And later on, you know what he said to me?

• 28:32AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 28:32Speaker 02

  He said, "You know, Scott, when I agreed to work with you on the runestone, people warned me that I shouldn't help you." And I said, "Why?" And he said, "Because they said it'll ruin your reputation working on that fake..." the runestone.

• 28:48AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  And he said, "I'll help Scott anyway."

• 28:52AJ Gentile?

  But what do you, at that point, what do you care whether it's fake or not? You just want to know what the rock tells you?

• 28:56Speaker 02

  You tell me. I mean, look, it'll ruin your reputation? What are you talking about? I mean, we're asked to do a job, and we're doing hard, you know, geological work. So, I mean, but this is what you get, right? This is, this is the nature of this business. Remember, I didn't know anything. So, anyway, I did my work, and what I did was I ended up comparing the weathering of tombstones with the weathering of the inscription. Took a core sample out of the back that, and we made thin sections, put them under a scanning electron microscope and a polarized light microscope, identified the mineralogy, we did point counts, how, what percentage of that mineral do we have? And there were seventeen different minerals. So, anyway, and I remember I compared my, my work with, with Dick, and

• 29:41Speaker 02

  we got pretty much the same thing. So, I thanked him because he taught me how to do it. But anyway, so I identified one of the faster weathering minerals, which was mica, biotite in this case, because that has an iron phase, so it weathers the fastest. And I used slate tombstones from out in Maine that were old enough dating back to the Revolutionary War. So that I, and they got the dates right there, right? Right. So what I did was I just measured how long it took before the minerals started to come off the surface of the tombstones. That happened at about 200 years. On the runestone, they're gone. They're all gone.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  So my conclusion is the weathering is older than 200 years. And that's from 1898 because it hasn't been in a weathering environment since. It's been indoors, in the shed, or in a museum. So you push it back 200 years from 1890, it was nobody in Minnesota then except the indigenous people. And maybe a, you know, a monk that was traveling like Hennepin or somebody. Right. So I said it's genuine. And I wrote my report and I sent it off and I thought, well, that was fun. Good for them, they got one. And I was done. Oh, no. No, no. Then the pushback came. Oh, my God, it was nasty and personal.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  And, you know, I mean, I had academics that I had met, well, I would eventually meet. Now you understand why you were warned. Well, yeah, yeah, that this, that, you know, this is, and, and I, you look, and, and so most of the people, and, and I don't want to disparage these disciplines, but I do want to make a point. It's very important. I, I'll use the word soft science. I'm talking about They're not gonna like this. History. Okay. Language, archaeology, runes, runology.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  These are um humanities disciplines.

• 31:53AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  Wonderful disciplines. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them.

• 31:57AJ Gentile?

  But they're up for interpretation.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  They're up for interpretation.

• 32:00AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  These people were attacking me, telling me I did not understand scientific method. Excuse me? I run a friggin' laboratory. I do forensic investigations all day, every day for forty-one years now.

• 32:18AJ Gentile?

  Right, you're not a TV guy.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  No, I'm not.

• 32:20AJ Gentile?

  You're a scientist.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Do you know why I even did the goddamn TV?

• 32:24AJ Gentile?

  Why?

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Because this is important.

• 32:27AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:29AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  I make a good living running my lab.

• 32:34AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Okay? And I love it. And I, you know, I get to work on murder cases. I worked on the Pentagon. That's what people are gonna talk about at my funeral. Is not the rune stone and all this stuff. They're gonna talk about that. And I've, I've done some, you know, pretty cool things. But when this came and I got this pushback and people attacking me personally, I got pissed. And I told you, I went to college on a football scholarship. I was a linebacker and I won a couple championships. I don't shit around.

• 33:11AJ Gentile?

  Right, you're not gonna take it.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  You wanna go? We'll go. I couldn't frame them up and put them on the ground. I had to do it differently.

• 33:18AJ Gentile?

  Now they're behind their keyboards.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah. Well, the tough guys, you know, but, you know, obviously.

• 33:23AJ Gentile?

  I know who you mean.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  I'm joking, but I'm not joking.

• 33:26AJ Gentile?

  I know who you mean.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  And anyway.

• 33:28AJ Gentile?

  They're no fan of mine.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Yep, yep. We know who we're talking about. But anyway, uh, it wasn't, I mean, it was academics. And so they were attacking my process. So anyway, long story short, I just said, I'm sick of this shit.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  I trust the rock. Rock said so. Therefore, somebody carved it. They came from someplace. They came here for some reason. There has to be an explanation for that, right?

• 33:53AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Has to be. And all the stuff they said didn't exist, has to exist. So the only place, the language is old Swedish, right? Eight Goths, Gotlanders. I went to Gotland, the island of Gotland, which is in the middle of the Baltic Sea, which was part of Sweden back then, and part of Sweden today. It's where everybody in the countries that surround that region go for their summer vacations. It's beautiful. And where I found the evidence, the language, the runes, the dialect, the grammar, the dating, was on grave slabs that had been mortared into the floors inside 92 churches on that island.

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• 35:03Speaker 02

  And while I was there, I kept seeing these crazy crosses, equilateral red crosses carved on the walls, mortared into the floors, carved on these grave slabs. And I'm like, what the hell is that?

• 35:17AJ Gentile?

  So it's important.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  I didn't know anything at that time. Well, these things were all Cistercian. And the knights-

• 35:24AJ Gentile?

  And for those who don't know, Cistercians-

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Are the white monks-

• 35:26AJ Gentile?

  The white monks.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Founded in 1095 by Robert Molesme, taken to meteoric success. Once Saint Bernard de Clairvaux joined the order in 1113. By the time he died in 1153, there were 300 Cistercian abbeys all across Europe, into Scandinavia, the British Isles, into the Holy Land. And by the time the Templars were put down, a little over 200 years later, in 1307- There were 750 abbeys and about 12,000 Templar Knights who are also Cistercian.

• 36:00AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  So, and it was Bernard de Clairvaux who wrote the charter for the Knights Templar that was officially, um, assigned by the Pope at the Council of Troy on January 13th. That number's not a coincidence, 1129, at the Council of Troy in Troy, France. So, um, I learned all that. And when I want to learn something, I'll do it.

• 36:24AJ Gentile?

  You get your teeth in.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  I just put my pads on and I go.

• 36:27AJ Gentile?

  So what was that mark?

• 36:29Speaker 02

  That mark was a Templar cross.

• 36:31AJ Gentile?

  It was a Templar cross that you found?

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yes. And I found everything. And so, um, then I started going down the Templar Road or the Cistercian Templar Road and then, oh, they disappeared in 1307. This is 1362. This is just a few decades later. Well, I'm not the brightest guy in the world, but I can figure that one out. Maybe there's a connection.

• 36:53AJ Gentile?

  You weren't interested in like Templar lore before, no?

• 36:55Speaker 02

  I didn't know what a Templar was.

• 36:57AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  I had no idea. Look, I spent my adult life, starting my lab, raising kids, playing touch football, skating, playing basketball, softball. I was a jock.

• 37:09AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  And drinking beer, okay?

• 37:11AJ Gentile?

  You're not studying Dan Brown novels, looking for a connect? No.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  No. No. I, I, in, in fact, and collecting agates. I'm a big Lake Spire agate collector and that's where I wrote, wrote my first book.

• 37:23AJ Gentile?

  I meant to ask you like, what's so fascinating about agates? What, what is that? We'll get back to the.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  We'll get back to that, but I'll tell you a funny story. Right before we came here, we went into a shop, um, at the hotel, uh, where we're staying. And they had some rocks, you know, Amethyst cathedrals and all this stuff. And of course I had to go in there. And it turns out this woman, uh, was originally from Israel and she's an older woman, very, you know, elegant and, um, nobody was in there, just the two of us, Janet and I. And we start talking about rocks and then we start talking about agates. And I pulled out my phone and I showed her, she goes, oh my God, that's the most beautiful. You find those in Minnesota? I said, yeah, we go in gravel pits, we go in rivers and lakes. I said, it's our state gemstone.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  And she was just, and then we got into the golden ratio and all this. And she ended up hugging both of us when we left. It was amazing. So, yeah, so, and I wrote, and, and just, just to segue off for a second, I want to tell you a quick personal story. My dad was a pilot for Northwest Airlines. And when I graduated from college in geology, um, I was no longer a dependent. I used to get passes and I could fly all over the place. And I did, I took full advan- I went down, you know, spring break every year, you know, I would go, "Dad, I need a ticket." But, um, I remember dad said to me, he said, uh, he said, you know, "You're graduating." He said, "Um, your passes are running out." He said, "You got one more trip. Make it a good one."

• 38:53Speaker 02

  So, I was also a scuba diver, and I said, "Dad, I want to go dive on the Great Barrier Reef." "And I want to go with you." I could've gone with my brother, I could've gone with my best friend, his dad was a pilot. I want to go. My, my dad was cool.

• 39:06AJ Gentile?

  He sounds cool.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  He was awesome.

• 39:08AJ Gentile?

  Did he take that trip with you?

• 39:09Speaker 02

  He did.

• 39:10AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  And he drowned.

• 39:13AJ Gentile?

  On that trip? I'm sorry, I didn't know that. I didn't know this story.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Well, it was the worst thing that ever will happen to me.

• 39:21AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  Um, I was with him, and it's, I'm not going to tell you the story right now, because I can tell the story. I don't cry anymore. Well, I, I still do. It was, it was, it was bad. And I found out later that it wasn't an accident.

• 39:35AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 39:36Speaker 02

  You ever seen the movie American Made?

• 39:39AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  Tom Cruise.

• 39:41AJ Gentile?

  Yeah. Barry Seal. Are you saying your dad was involved with the agency?

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Yep. After we got-

• 39:48AJ Gentile?

  You don't talk about this very often, I don't think.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 39:51AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Dad was, so, so, so, so he was taken out. He was flying jets down to Central America. And he knew too much. So, um, after we came back, about three weeks after we got back...

• 40:10Speaker 02

  I got a call from the chief pilot at Northwest, Don Nyra. And his son played for the North Stars. He was a hockey player. And he said, Scott, I'd like to talk to you. I said, okay. So I go in and he said, if you tell anybody what I told you, I'll deny it. I said, I get it. And he said, your dad was in the CIA. And I said, oh, okay. And he told me what he was doing. And he didn't say that he was taken out, but I figured it out on my own. And there's other details I could tell you, maybe when we're alone, we can talk.

• 40:50AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  But anyway, I was wrecked. And it blew our family apart. I have a brother and a sister and my mom. My brother and my mom died, be two years ago. Same year, within a couple of months of each other. Once my mom died, I knew my brother wasn't far behind. That's another story. But anyway.

• 41:11AJ Gentile?

  Did they know your dad was working for a CIA?

• 41:14Speaker 02

  We had, my mom did die. She finally came around late in life. And she finally, a month and a half before she died, I took her out to dinner and went back to her apartment. And we're sitting in the car and I was just about to open the door and help her out, you know. She turned, she looked at me, she said, I forgive you.

• 41:39AJ Gentile?

  What's the forgive?

• 41:47Speaker 02

  For what happened, you know, to dad. She never married again. She blamed me for it.

• 41:51AJ Gentile?

  I'm sorry to hear that.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was tough. But I'm telling you this for a reason.

• 41:56AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  So.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  So I was in a really tough place. And I, I had just gotten a job from Charlie. My professor got me a job with Mapco Minerals as a field geologist and I loved it. And I was on a, um, a two-month gig in northern Minnesota, going in the woods and mapping and taking samples, send them in for testing. And then I, it turned out that was a test to see if I could handle it. And I, obviously I did and I got the full-time job. I got, and he said, "Your next project is starting in January in Nevada." So I was all set to go do that. And then I took the trip and dad died and I, I had to stay home.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  So that was a huge correction, but I got hired by Twin City Testing. I learned patrography and then I went, and here I am now. But, um, that, that was a really defining moment. And what happened during that time, right after dad died is I, I was struggling with a lot of grief. And so when I got upset, I'd just jump on my motorcycle and I would drive to the gravel pits and I would just walk. Yeah. Pick agates. And I met the other collectors and I got to know the industry really fast. And, and I met a, a, a World War II hero, George Flame. And, uh, we ended up, um, becoming close friends and he became another mentor to me.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  And he eventually, and he was the king of agate. Well, he flagged me early on. He said, "That kid's, you know." And I remember one day I was up there and we're talking about agates and formations. And he, and I said, "Well, George, what do you think about this?" And he goes, "Kid, you got the geological knowledge. You got the agate picking experience. Write the book." And I went, "George, I'll do it." And he lived in Duluth, which is two and a half hours from where I lived in the cities, right? Yeah. So on the way home, I wrote the outline on the steering wheel. This is your first book? My first book on Lake Spire Agates. And, uh, it, it did really well. And I'll tell you why it did well. It wasn't the formation. It wasn't the types.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  It wasn't, you know, all the microscopic features and all the stuff that you have to talk about. I peppered in between each chapter, stories about George and Chauncey Wheeler and praying to the Lord of the pits, all these crazy stories, the stuff that I thought was so cool. And, and I got hundreds of letters. And nobody asked me about formation. Nobody asked me about the different types.

• 44:38AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Tell me about Chauncey Wheeler, who every time he got found an agate, would stop, sit down, pray to the Lord of the pits, and you know, that kind of stuff.

• 44:48AJ Gentile?

  Well, that's full circle to America Unearthed, because that's why you stood out, is you told the story in the episode.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:54AJ Gentile?

  And we were really, we didn't really care about that. I didn't really care about the stone. It's cool to have evidence that it's real, but you want to know the story.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's what I do. And, and so I've written a couple more books on agates since then. And I wrote one called, When I Turned Forty, and I called it like the halftime of my life, right? I use football metaphors, of course. And it's called One, The Lake Spire Eight, One Man's Journey. And it was, and I talk about Dad and the whole journey. But when I published that book in 1986, which was three years after Dad died, I was back.

• 45:30AJ Gentile?

  You were back.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  I was back emotionally, and I was myself again. And I thank George for that, and I thank my professors for that, and I thank Janet for that, and my, my kids, they came after that. But, um, yeah, that's, that's, that's what got me into writing.

• 45:49AJ Gentile?

  Well, let's take a quick break, and when we come back, we can get into the stone and Templars and the journey.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 45:54AJ Gentile?

  All right. Barrett, back. What does it say on the Kensington Rune Stone?

• 45:57Speaker 02

  We've talked all about it. We haven't said what it says.

• 46:01AJ Gentile?

  Right, what is it?

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Well, what's interesting is it starts with a number, something called a pentatic number. And you know what, AJ? I could teach you pentatic numbers in 10 seconds.

• 46:13AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  You ready?

• 46:14AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Make a vertical line.

• 46:16AJ Gentile?

  Vertical line.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  One, two, three, four, half loop is five, six, seven, eight, nine, full loop is 10. Put them in Arabic placement. You can make any number you want. So, the number eight is the first thing on the Rune Stone. Half loop is five, six, seven, eight. Eight Gotthelanders and 22 Northmen Norwegians.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  On this acquisition business slash taking up land from Vinland far to the west. We had a camp near two shelters, one day's journey north from this stone. We were fishing one day. After we came home, found ten men read from blood and death. And then three Latin letters, A V M. Then the last line says, "Save from evils." On the split side of the stone, and it's split, we call it the split side because the carver intentionally broke it down to exactly a two to one ratio. Interesting. Which is the key to sacred geometry. Okay.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  And the other thing that's really interesting is that the diagonal distance across that stone is exactly 2.722 feet, or one megalithic yard. Wow. Coincidence? Probably not. Probably not. No, I've covered the megalithic yard. It's amazing. It's everywhere. It is everywhere. And then on the split side, it says, "There are ten men by the inland sea to look after our ships. Fourteen days' journey from this island, year 1362. Carved in Pentatec numbers in Arabic placement, 1362."

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Now, I'm just gonna jump into this real quick because we talked a little bit about how, you know, the legend of Enoch, the Enochian mysteries is embedded within the inscription. So is Hebrew mysticism. There's very key things about the numbers. There are codes embedded within the inscription. One of the codes, and here's something very interesting. After I did the geological work with the tombstones, and I realized that it was real, I said, "Somebody's gotta document everything on this stone." So I took it upon myself, and I generated a photo library of every man-made feature

• 48:49Speaker 02

  in the inscription, every rune, every word separator, every number. And I used high-angle and low-angle reflected light to pull out the three-dimensionality of what was there. And I just started at the beginning, and I went through the whole inscription. I took over 650 photos under magnification.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  And as I did that, I started to find things.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Things that I didn't know what the hell they were. Things that nobody else had ever noticed, because nobody ever looked, right? And right from the get-go, the very first thing, in the number 8, the three lines under the half-lute, at the end of the second bar, there was a dot that was punched at the end. Clearly man-made. And if it was man-made, they did it for a reason. I didn't know why. So as I was finding these things, I would stick them in a folder, I just labeled it "Odd Runes." And it was those things that we turned out to be the beginning of solving the mysteries, the codes. Anyway. So, that number.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  And then on line 4, in the word "shelters", all the runologists always put a question mark after it. Because they don't know if that's the right word. That's not the word. I think the word is Sinclair.

• 50:12AJ Gentile?

  Wow!

• 50:13Speaker 02

  S-K-L-A-R. Now, one of the old corrupted spellings that I've found in documents, going back to this time, is the word "Sklar." S-K-L-A-R. Sinclair. It's one of the about 14 ways you can spell that name.

• 50:31AJ Gentile?

  And Templar fans know the Sinclair name for sure.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. But, the "L" has a little cross on it. And doesn't belong there. And they tried to make it a "bin rune", but there's no word that works. A bin rune is where you take one vertical stave and you make two runes off a common stave. It's called a "bind rune" or "bin rune." There's no other bin runes in the rune stone. So that's probably not a bin rune. And it doesn't work as a bin rune. So what is it? Let's pull that out. And I put that in the "Odd Runes." The last thing on the face side is the word "Save from evils", "Ilu".

• 51:17Speaker 02

  And you have this strange rune that looks like a "Y", with a little cross on the bottom that doesn't belong there, and two dots. I put that in there. Now, remember I told you about the dating?

• 51:31AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  One of the things that I found when I went to Sweden is some of the grave slabs were double dated.

• 51:39AJ Gentile?

  Double dated?

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Using the medieval Easter table dating method. And to do that, you need three things. You need...

• 51:50Speaker 02

  So, the runic alphabet is called the futhark. And to make a date, you need one of the first seven letters, which is called a Sunday letter.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  And then, the rest of the alphabet, there were nineteen runes in the alphabet at that time, there'd be twelve more left. You need a Sunday letter, a golden year, which is any one of the rest of those twelve runes, and a column number. And then you plot them on the Easter table and it gives you a date. So what we did was, we pulled out the one number that singled out, the eight, the L, which they didn't know what to do with,

• 52:28AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  and the U. And you plot them on the Easter table and guess what you get?

• 52:33AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 52:34Speaker 02

  You get a date. Guess what that date is?

• 52:37AJ Gentile?

  1362?

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Bingo!

• 52:39AJ Gentile?

  Wow!

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Coincidence?

• 52:42AJ Gentile?

  No, it's probably not.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Probably not. I'll tell you what I think it is. I think the reason is, it's a land claim. It says it right on it. Acquisition business, taking up land. Who was looking to establish a new sanctuary?

• 52:59AJ Gentile?

  The Templars were.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  You following now?

• 53:01AJ Gentile?

  Do we know who those men were and what happened to them and what Red with Blood means?

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Yes, we do.

• 53:05AJ Gentile?

  We do?

• 53:06Speaker 02

  We do. It's an allegory.

• 53:09AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  Now, so, 1362. Keep in mind, why would they need to double date it? Because, let's say you're a smart aleck and you want to add one more line to the three in 1362. What have you just done?

• 53:27AJ Gentile?

  You changed the date.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  You've added a hundred years.

• 53:29AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Uh-uh, can't do it. Because we protected the date with a simple code using the Easter table dating method from the 14th century. Ole Worms' Easter table was developed in 1314.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Keep in mind, AJ, when I do forensics, when anybody does forensics and you're trying to solve a problem, all the data has to fit. It must fit. Yep. If you've got a piece of data hanging out there, you're not there yet. Right? Right. Right? So this is what I do when I'm investigating the rune stone, whether I'm talking about the rock, the runes, the templars, doesn't matter. It all has to fit. And it fits beautifully. And let me tell you something. I've told you this, and I'll tell you again. I do forensic investigations for a living, and I'm pretty good at it. This was the easiest evidence

• 54:29Speaker 02

  trail I've ever followed. Now, I had no idea where it was gonna go, but the evidence was consistent, cohesive, and conclusive. Keep in mind, I'm a licensed professional geologist. I take my work very s- I have a lot of fun. Life isn't worth living unless you have fun, right? Right. But when it comes time to dial in and stop shitting around, I dial in. Every single job that I do, I have to be prepared to testify in a court of law under oath to my findings. I think that's a higher bar than the academic peer review process. I agree.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  Where basically, they sit around and talk about it until what? They agree. Until they agree. Until they agree, right? Well, that process has some merit, and I think a lot of good has come from it, but a lot of shit work has come from it too, including on the Kensington rune stone. Yeah, they don't like to be wrong. And they don't wanna trample on the, um, you know, their predecessors. Right. You know? So, um, I've seen a lot of that. And here's the irony of that. They accuse me of not understanding scientific method.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  Let's say you wrote a thesis and got very famous on coffee's good for you.

• 55:58AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Right? And then I come along and you're in your retirement and I do some work and I find out that, guess what? Coffee's not good for you.

• 56:09AJ Gentile?

  I don't like you very much.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  You don't like me very much. But if you're a true scientist, you know what you're gonna say? You know what, Scott? You developed a whole new set of data that I was not privy to. I had no idea. Nice job. And you accept those results.

• 56:28AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  And just because I proved you wrong, doesn't mean you were stupid. The fact that you accept the new data means you're smart.

• 56:38AJ Gentile?

  I agree.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  That's scientific method. That's not what's happened here. And so, we've seen a failure of academia, but there are larger forces at work here.

• 56:49AJ Gentile?

  Larger than academia?

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Ah, yes.

• 56:51AJ Gentile?

  Suppressing the truth?

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:53AJ Gentile?

  Like, the government? The religious establishment?

• 56:59Speaker 02

  All of the above.

• 57:00AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Because, once you accept the Kensington Rune Stone, it triggers a series of dominos to fall. And those dominos go to some inconvenient places for these institutions that you just rattled off. One of those places is called the Telpiyat Tomb.

• 57:22AJ Gentile?

  Telpiyat Tomb in Jerusalem, discovered 1980. That's the Osuaries, yes?

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 57:29AJ Gentile?

  So these dominos go back through the time of Christ, probably through ancient Egypt, and probably even before then?

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Atlantis.

• 57:36AJ Gentile?

  To Atlantis.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 57:37AJ Gentile?

  Is that where the first Templars come from?

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:42AJ Gentile?

  Or they do?

• 57:42Speaker 02

  The tradition goes all the way. I believe that. I know Tim believes that.

• 57:47AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  I know a lot of people believe that. And I think more and more people are gonna be, you know, believe that in the future.

• 57:54AJ Gentile?

  Well, one of Tim's theories, which I think is interesting, is that the Brothers of the East and Constantinople... were guardians of the Atlantean knowledge and then I guess it was Hugh de Pain.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 58:04AJ Gentile?

  Visited there and.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  They captured Jerusalem.

• 58:07AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Founded the Templars. Hugh de Pain, by the way, was the uncle of Bernard de Clairvaux.

• 58:13AJ Gentile?

  Amazing.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Coincidence?

• 58:15AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  I say that all the time because I'm being facetious, of course.

• 58:19AJ Gentile?

  All those noble Southern France families.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  The Merovingians, those Burgundian families in Southern France that.

• 58:28AJ Gentile?

  And Merovingians probably going to come up later, I would think.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Their religion?

• 58:33AJ Gentile?

  No, those, the people.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Oh, the people, of course.

• 58:36AJ Gentile?

  The bloodline.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely. This is all, look, one of the, and we haven't even gotten into the research that I've been doing and the new book and, you know, the green jar and all that.

• 58:46AJ Gentile?

  The green jar.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  The green jar. But if there's one thing that recurs time and time and time again, are these same family names? And they are all connected. They are descendants. And so this is definitely, and I've said this, you've probably heard me say this on other shows.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  These people are not just the ideological descendants, but the biological descendants as well, from Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Egyptians and beyond. So.

• 59:24AJ Gentile?

  Well, before.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  And they're still here and they're still here.

• 59:27AJ Gentile?

  I want to talk about that. Can you make the, can you connect that, those dominos for me from the stone to the Thalpiat tomb? How, how do we connect that?

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Well, it goes to the Templars. The Templars were in Jerusalem and the Templars were in the Thalpiat tomb. They left their calling card in the form of those three skulls. We also, there's some data. Now, one of the things a lot of people don't know is that when, in 1980, when the archaeologists went in and, you know, they were blasting the hillside in preparation for putting the foundations in for an apartment building and they found this underground tomb. And these are not rare in Jerusalem, but we know that the Ashurian culture dates back to the first century. It was only used for about a hundred years in Jerusalem. And then when the Romans crushed the Jews, that was the end of it.

• 1:00:16AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  So when we find these, we know they date back to the first century. Um, and in this particular tomb, I don't know if you've heard this, but when the archaeologists went in, the entire tomb was flooded with terra rosa soil about two feet deep.

• 1:00:33AJ Gentile?

  I have heard that.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Okay, that covered all the ossuaries and all the walls and all the coquins, the tunnels inside the tomb. And I don't want to segue off into the James Ossuary, the-

• 1:00:46AJ Gentile?

  That's, that's a, that's a controversial one.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  You know that one.

• 1:00:49AJ Gentile?

  I do.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  You know how they were able to establish that it came from that tomb?

• 1:00:53AJ Gentile?

  Um, just to catch people up, so the-

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 1:00:56AJ Gentile?

  The James Ossuary is, was discovered by a collector, is how it came on to the scene.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  Let, let me just frame this first.

• 1:01:03AJ Gentile?

  Go ahead.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  In the, in the tomb, there were ten ossuaries that were catalogued. Only nine made it to the Israeli Antiquities Archives. One went missing.

• 1:01:13AJ Gentile?

  And that's James?

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  That's the James.

• 1:01:15AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  So, go ahead.

• 1:01:16AJ Gentile?

  So, these, and these ossuaries are the bloodline of, of Christ, so, John the Baptist.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  So, so, I think it's important that we rattle off the names.

• 1:01:25AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Okay, so, one of the ossuaries says, "Jesus, Yeshua," that's his real name.

• 1:01:33AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Can I just say something?

• 1:01:35AJ Gentile?

  Go for it.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  I find this incredibly interesting, and I didn't know this either until I knew it, but probably ninety-plus percent of people who call them Christian, call themselves Christians, who believe in the resurrection of Jesus, and he's their Lord and Savior.

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• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  Don't even know his real name.

• 1:02:26AJ Gentile?

  The Jews know his name.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  The Jews do, but that's a small percentage compared to people who call themselves Christians, right? I just find that ironic, but in any case, so, the name on the ossuary was "Yeshua, Son of Joseph."

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  Another ossuary said James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus. One said Joseph, Matthew, Maria, Judah, son of Jesus. Now, there were seven of the ten ossuaries that were inscribed with names. Six were in Aramaic, one in Greek. We just rattled off the ones in Aramaic. The one in Greek said Maryamne, the Mara. Maryamne is a pet name for only Mary Magdalene found in the Acts of Philip. So what the actual F is going on? Why doesn't the world know about this?

• 1:03:23AJ Gentile?

  I don't know.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  How frickin' obvious is this?

• 1:03:25AJ Gentile?

  And a couple of those names are actually referenced in Mark 6:3. Same names.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Same names. Now, some people have come back and said, "Well, those were common names at the time."

• 1:03:35AJ Gentile?

  They were.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  And some of them were. But when you start calculating the odds, as one of my good friends that keeps me on the straight and narrow, we talked about earlier, Jerry Lutkin, who's part of the Tellpiyat Tomb Research Team, as I am as well, calculated the odds, once you added in the James ossuary, it went from like 1 in 150,000 to 1 in 2 million.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  So even- Then it's not them.

• 1:04:05AJ Gentile?

  So even without James, even without the controversy, this still fits?

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Well, I'll take those odds every time, won't you?

• 1:04:13AJ Gentile?

  Sure, of course.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah. So, so it's them. Now, there's so much more to it. And the way that they were able to establish that that ossuary that showed up on the antiquities market and was purchased by Oded Goland, I think was his name, I don't remember, but he stood firm. And, and the testing bared out, the scientific testing. And what they did was they took samples from inside the tomb, from the ossuaries, and they got a geochemical fingerprint of that terra rosa soil that were all contaminated, right? All the ossuaries and the walls inside the tomb. And the geochemical profile, when they tested the James ossuary, was a spot-on match. It came from the tomb, but obviously, somebody had taken it-

• 1:04:58AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  And sold it, right?

• 1:05:00AJ Gentile?

  Did you test DNA in there? Do we have the genome?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  I can neither confirm nor deny.

• 1:05:06AJ Gentile?

  I know what that means in temporal speech.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Yes, you do. Well, I'm, you know what? You should have Jerry on. You should, you should talk to Jerry Lutkin. He's very well spoken. He's a really fun guy, but he's really wicked smart. And he's working with Simka, James Tabor, Charlie Pellegrino, and some of the other guys on the tomb. And they've done a lot of work and it's not, it's not public.

• 1:05:35AJ Gentile?

  So why suppress this? Why, what, why not just follow the evidence?

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  We are, and we're coming out with it right now.

• 1:05:43AJ Gentile?

  But I mean, there are forces that don't want this information now.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  True. But I think, you know what? And I was talking with Janet about this this morning, just before we came here.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  With everything that's happening right now, I think those forces have bigger problems.

• 1:05:59AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  And I think, you know, you, you understand procession, right?

• 1:06:03AJ Gentile?

  I do.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  You know, right now, we're living through one of the most profound moments in human history astronomically, right? And it was predicted that this would be a time of great upheaval.

• 1:06:15AJ Gentile?

  This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Dawning of the age of Aquarius, which is symbolized by two streams that flow together as one. And I look at those two streams. I mean, there's a number of different symbolic ways you can interpret that. But one of the ways I see it is ideologically, right and left, which is especially divided in this country right now, right?

• 1:06:40AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  And maybe what all this craziness and that green jar is going to do is bring us as one again. That's my hope. And that's what I want to see happen. I mean, it's, it's easy to sort of go down that negative rabbit hole and get caught up in all this negativity and it's awful. It's, it's, it's beyond awful.

• 1:07:05AJ Gentile?

  But the symbology is there, right? We've got Pisces. The light in the dark, the left and the right, and we're now leaving that behind.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Opposing, yep. But I think, yeah, and you know, what happens when you go through a dark period? The clouds clear and the light comes and the sun comes out. And I, I'm optimistic. I think that's gonna happen. And there's one other elephant in the room that we haven't talked about, and that is them. And now, I mean, the last several years, this is, this has been talked about, right? That's all we hear about. It's time that they were introduced and they had their

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  time on the stage because they are here. And

• 1:07:50AJ Gentile?

  If you're listening, Scott pointed to the sky. So you've got extraterrestrials in the, in these documents? Do you want, do you want to reveal the documents, what you're pointing at?

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  I, I, yeah, I do. I just, I, I could keep you here all day, man, but I, I want to

• 1:08:07AJ Gentile?

  I got nowhere to be.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  Well, why, I, I mean, it doesn't matter which we do first, but I, I would also like to talk a little bit about my new book.

• 1:08:16AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  Now, I mean, it's, you know, I mean, obviously, I appreciate the plug, but what's important is the story is really important. And I'll just, I'll try to get through this as quick as I can.

• 1:08:27AJ Gentile?

  Take your time.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  Okay. So about 10 years ago, exactly 10 years ago, ironically, in July of 2016, what is it about July when people bring stuff to me? Um, a woman, seriously, sent me an email and she said, I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. And I went, yeah, right. Delete. Next day. No, really. I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. Stop it. Delete. About a week later, she goes, no, I'm serious. I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. And she sent a couple of pages. I picked up the phone. Hi, my name is Scott Walter. Nice to meet you. No kidding. That's what happened.

• 1:09:09AJ Gentile?

  So what are the pages? Where is they were they found? Who are they?

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Well, okay, so what happened was, um, I, I, uh, her name is Diana Muir. And, um, I'm not going to take you through the whole story, but what she did was she, I went down to see her to view them.

• 1:09:27AJ Gentile?

  Where?

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  At the Mormon temple in Nauvoo. She's Mormon. And, um, she laid them out. I have videos. I took pictures. I was flummoxed. And Janet will know what that means.

• 1:09:41AJ Gentile?

  Is this the Tennessee they?

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  I'm joking when I say flummoxed, but I was no, seriously, I was like, oh, my God. Go ahead.

• 1:09:47AJ Gentile?

  Were they in Tennessee?

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  No, it was in Illinois.

• 1:09:49AJ Gentile?

  Illinois.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Illinois.

• 1:09:50AJ Gentile?

  And now, where did she find them?

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  That's not where she got them. So the, the, the, the short story is she was doing genealogy on her own family. And she went all the way back to the early 1800s and realized, well, late 1700s, and realized that one of her ancestors was a guy by the name of John Weems. We call him Junior because his father was also John Weems. We call him Senior. And she went to a small genealogical society in Tennessee. And she was doing research and she asked about John Weems. And the guy said, well, I think we got something in the basement. It went down the basement.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  And there was a wooden chest that had been rescued from a fire in a church in that town back in 1880. When the church burned down, they rescued this thing. Inside was a saddlebag. And inside the saddlebag were these little paper notebooks. And what she called a burrito, which was a lambskin map that was drawn by Antonio Zino.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Of Nova Scotia.

• 1:10:58AJ Gentile?

  Of Nova Scotia.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  And where they buried the treasures.

• 1:11:01AJ Gentile?

  Oak Island is in there?

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  Oak Island is in there. Yep. So I'm like, okay, um, let's work together, right? I mean, I knew that this was big, right? Well, she got nervous.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  And threw them away.

• 1:11:21AJ Gentile?

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Because she had a checkered past. And if she was caught, and how did she get them? She stole them.

• 1:11:33AJ Gentile?

  She stole them.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  She realized that if the world knew about this, if the museum knew what they had, we would already know about it. Obviously, they didn't because most of them were written in Latin and Old English. Latin, forget about it, right? Have you ever looked at Old English?

• 1:11:50AJ Gentile?

  You can't read it.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  It's even worse.

• 1:11:51AJ Gentile?

  It's worse.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  The last, the last five books were written in modern English.

• 1:11:57AJ Gentile?

  Did she take pictures before she threw them away?

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  She did.

• 1:12:00AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  And we have a lot of the stuff. And I took pictures of everything. I'm, I'm a lab guy, I'm anal retentive, you know? So I, I did a good job. I, I still would like to go back and do it again, but anyway, so, but what she did was she used,

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  uh, what'd she say? Bing Translate and Google Translate and she translated. She took them, this was in 2005. She had them for about 10 years and then she watched our show.

• 1:12:31AJ Gentile?

  TV show?

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  She watched our show.

• 1:12:33AJ Gentile?

  She called the TV guy.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  And she heard us talking about, uh, Henry Sinclair. And in the journal, she remembered the name Enrique Santa Clara. And that's when she went and she, she translated everything. And she sent it to me. And I read it and I nearly shit myself.

• 1:12:51AJ Gentile?

  How did you know?

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  My God, this is the greatest story I've ever read.

• 1:12:55AJ Gentile?

  How did you know they were real?

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  I didn't know they were real.

• 1:12:58AJ Gentile?

  Did, how did you confirm that?

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  It was too good to be true.

• 1:13:01AJ Gentile?

  Of course it is.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  What do you think I did for the last 10 years? That's why I waited till now to publish it.

• 1:13:07AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  Until I was satisfied that it was more likely real than not. And there's some pretty interesting stuff in there that she didn't write this. Nobody else wrote this. I mean, there's Masonic stuff. There's internal evidence. There's sacred numbers, uh, symbols, uh, the hook decks.

• 1:13:29AJ Gentile?

  We didn't get into that. Did you find the hook decks on? Kensington Rune Stone?

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  I did.

• 1:13:33AJ Gentile?

  That's on there too.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  Twenty-two times.

• 1:13:36AJ Gentile?

  Can you tell us what that is? Cause that shows up everywhere.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  It does. Great question.

• 1:13:43AJ Gentile?

  I just like this stuff.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  I love this stuff. So, okay, so going back to when I was doing the Rune Stone. Do you remember I told you about the numbers and about the codes that we found and about the legend of Enoch and the Hebrew mysticism?

• 1:13:57AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  Well,

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  must be a coincidence, but we have numbers like eight, twenty-two, fourteen, ten, ten, right? So, must be a coincidence that there are exactly twenty-two hooked deckses on the Kensington Rune Stone. There are exactly ten VW runes.

• 1:14:27AJ Gentile?

  VW.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  That the world has never seen, that the scholars said never existed. No, donkeys. It just means you've never seen it. And you need to learn to say those three little words. What are they?

• 1:14:41AJ Gentile?

  I don't know.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 1:14:43AJ Gentile?

  They can't do it. They can't say that.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  Well, they didn't say that. But isn't that an interesting coincidence?

• 1:14:51AJ Gentile?

  Pseudoscience becomes science in a matter of time.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Well, look, you can't deny these things.

• 1:14:57AJ Gentile?

  You can't.

• 1:14:57Speaker 02

  Numbers are numbers, right? There are fourteen individual pentatic numbers.

• 1:15:04AJ Gentile?

  So what's the significance of fourteen? Why is that important?

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  Well, in the, uh, Isis Osiris mysteries, you know that when, um, Osiris went to visit his jealous brother Set, who killed him and cut his body up into how many pieces?

• 1:15:23AJ Gentile?

  Fourteen pieces.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Oh, it's fourteen pieces. And how many stations of the cross are there?

• 1:15:28AJ Gentile?

  Fourteen stations.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right. Bingo. Must be another coincidence, huh?

• 1:15:33AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  Any case, um, so you get, you get what I'm talking, and this is, this predates the Runestone 1362, right?

• 1:15:41AJ Gentile?

  I think this all goes back to Akhenaten in 1300 B.C.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  Millennia before the Runestone. There are eight, uh, G ruins on the Runestone that are backwards with a dot that they'd never seen. So it's interesting that these numbers are singled out. It's also interesting that if you add eight and 22, you get what?

• 1:16:05AJ Gentile?

  Thirty?

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  Two shelters. Two. How much? Thirty-two. One day's journey north from this stone. Scottish Rite degree system is...

• 1:16:19AJ Gentile?

  That's right!

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  Thirty-three degrees.

• 1:16:22AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  Right? And let's talk more about those numbers. And one of the things that I do is I talk about the esoteric aspects of the Kensington Runestone. And to make it simple, just about all of us, at one point in our life, ask those big questions. What happens when I die? Is there a God? What is the meaning of life? Right? And we all sort of go on a spiritual journey. Some do it to organize religion, some do it different ways, right? Some through Hebrew mysticism. But at the end of the day, what happens on that journey? It all comes back to you, right?

• 1:17:04AJ Gentile?

  It does.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  To us.

• 1:17:06AJ Gentile?

  It's just us at the end.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  Do you know how many vertebrae you have in your spinal column?

• 1:17:11AJ Gentile?

  Oh goodness, I'm gonna guess thirty-three?

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Bingo!

• 1:17:15AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know there was gonna be a biology exam on this!

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  You know this stuff, right? Come on!

• 1:17:20AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know there was gonna be an exam.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Do you know how many bones are in your skull?

• 1:17:26AJ Gentile?

  Fourteen in the skull? No? Twenty-four?

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Fourteen in your face.

• 1:17:33AJ Gentile?

  In the face, okay.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  Eight in your cranium for a total of?

• 1:17:37AJ Gentile?

  Twenty-two.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  Oh, bingo!

• 1:17:40AJ Gentile?

  The Templars love their numbers.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Those are the magic numbers, and they're on the Kensington Ruin Stone. And ten. When I went through the Cryptic Council degrees on the way to the Knights Templar degree in Scottish Rhyron, in Grand Lodge Masonry, let's call it.

• 1:18:01AJ Gentile?

  And you're a mason, you're a knight?

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  I'm a knight, I'm a knight. But on the way, you go through what they call the Cryptic Council. There's three degrees in there, and the middle one is called the Select Master Degree. And it was in that degree, and just so people understand, when we do our degrees, it's made up of part theatrical performance, part lecture, and usually the white hats, the thirty-thirds, give the lectures. And so, in this particular degree, it's the Legend of Enoch and the secret vault that's nine levels below the Sanctum Sanctorum.

• 1:18:36AJ Gentile?

  Wait, Enoch is in Freemasonry?

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:18:40AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:18:43AJ Gentile?

  That's fascinating.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. So in this degree, it's basically about the secret vault and the nine levels.

• 1:18:50AJ Gentile?

  Do you know when Enoch was introduced into Freemasonry? I'm trying to put a date line.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  On the Kensington Ruin Stone is the oldest record of it now.

• 1:18:58AJ Gentile?

  Uh, cause Dead Sea Scrolls is-

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  About fifteenth century.

• 1:19:00AJ Gentile?

  Cause Dead Sea Scrolls is like 1966, so, so they've been there a long time.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  A long time.

• 1:19:06AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  So during the theatrical performance, they basically play out that it was decided that the three grand masters, King Solomon, Hiram Abiff, Hiram King of Tyre, where all the workers in the wood came, decided that they were gonna build the secret vault, where a copy of all the true treasures were kept that were up in the Sanctum Sanctorum, right?

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  And then there's a couple of guards and something happens and some guy gets down there and somebody has to die and there's a lot of blood red from blood and death.

• 1:19:45AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  And I'm not really supposed to talk about it, but I'm giving you, I'm giving you enough so that you can, yeah, I mean, I, if you want to read the degree, you can look it up online, but you know, I, I want to stick to my vows to some degree.

• 1:19:59AJ Gentile?

  I respect that.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  But then afterwards, a white hat gave the lecture. And at one point he said, and the other eight arches were built by 22 men from Gebel. And I went eight and 22. Those are the first two numbers on the Kensington Rune Stone. And I didn't hear another thing after that. And then after the degree was over, I went to my Masonic mentor, John Freberg, one of the guys I told you about is on our team. I said, John, is there a ritual book for this? And he said, yes. I said, give me that. And I started reading. Oh my God. Kensington Rune Stone.

• 1:20:36AJ Gentile?

  It's in there?

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  It's all there. And I wrote a paper on this. And to my knowledge,

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  I'm the first person in history to make that connection.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  And the craft has accepted it.

• 1:20:51AJ Gentile?

  They have.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  And they've accepted the Rune Stone. In fact, and Janet's Janet, I know was part of this. But a few summers ago, our commandery had like a regional gathering and they asked me if I would lead a tour out to the Kensington Rune Stone Museum and to the farm that is now a Douglas County Park dedicated to the Rune Stone. And

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  so I did that. And I, there was a lot of people there, a lot of people and you know, all my fellow Templar Knights and their families and, and other Masons. And then they said, well, where does the Rune Stone found Scott? I said, well, come on down the hill here a little bit. This is where the stone holes triangulate. This is the spot. And right when we got there, the Grand Commander, Jeff Nelson, comes up, he said, well, and he starts talking and I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on here? And they presented me with the highest honor you can get in the Templar and a beautiful jewel and a medal and.

• 1:21:58AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that. What is? Is that honor called?

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  Um, I forget.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  I got a picture. I don't remember. I just, it was, um, but it was given by the Grand Commander. In other words, they had accepted all the research. And then the, um, uh, the chaplain consecrated the ground where the rune stone was found.

• 1:22:20AJ Gentile?

  What an experience.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  By the Templars. They accepted it as part of their history.

• 1:22:24AJ Gentile?

  When were united and what was, what's that experience like?

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  Which time?

• 1:22:29AJ Gentile?

  As a Templar?

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  I've been, I'm in three different Templar orders.

• 1:22:34AJ Gentile?

  Do you have to get knighted different for each order?

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, you go through a knighting in all three orders.

• 1:22:39AJ Gentile?

  What can you tell us about what that happens there?

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  It's amazing. It's amazing. Um.

• 1:22:47AJ Gentile?

  I'm picturing candles and robes and.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:49AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, there's definitely candles and there's, there's a ritual. Um.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  Rather, I, I, I, I, there is, there is one thing in Templarism that I cannot talk about. But, um, when you go through that final degree, there are a lot of things that just suddenly fall into place.

• 1:23:12AJ Gentile?

  I bet.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  And you're like, oh shit. Now I get it.

• 1:23:17AJ Gentile?

  The Templars have been passing down that knowledge since Atlantis. Is it continued to pass down through the orders today?

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Yes. And what I will tell you is that in my personal opinion, most of the guys that go through these degrees have no idea what's really going on. Um, and, and in many ways, it really doesn't matter. Because one of the beautiful things about the Masonic system and about the degree system is you are preserving ancient knowledge through this ritual and through lecture. And even if you don't understand it, it doesn't matter. It's preserved.

• 1:23:53AJ Gentile?

  Right. Just protect it.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  And if you think about it, it's a brilliant system. It really is. Now, a lot of guys want to dig deeper. And what's interesting about what's happening today in Freemasonry, a lot of young people are turning away from religion. But they're asking those big questions. Um, a lot of the things that you talk about on your show, the things that I've asked about. And they're just not getting the answers through the regular channels, right? So they're, they're looking to things like Masonry and, um.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  And I've turned a lot of people on to that. But a lot of guys will go through and they just want to go through the line. They want to be the worshipful master and do all the jewels and all that. And that's great. And there's a wonderful tradition there. That's just not my jam. I'm a researcher. I want to understand what is the meaning behind the rituals that we're doing?

• 1:24:49AJ Gentile?

  I agree.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Where does that go back to? And what does it all mean? And I will tell you that it is frickin' profound. And it goes all the way back to the Templars. It goes back to Jesus and Mary and John the Baptist, Egyptians, Atlanteans. It's all part of the same tradition.

• 1:25:07AJ Gentile?

  Do you want to take us there? Where do we go next?

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  Let's talk about, um, Henry Sinclair. So we talked a little bit about the journals. And so what I did is I spent 10 years vetting these journals. And then last year I decided I was ready. And, and all I did was I, the first thing I do is I, I attacked the elephant in the room. Diana. Because everyone's gonna go.

• 1:25:35AJ Gentile?

  I'm glad, I'm glad you do this.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  You gotta do it.

• 1:25:37AJ Gentile?

  You have to do it.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  You can't sit there and dance around and, you know, it's, look, it's uncomfortable sometimes to, you know, we've all had those moments where you, you have to have that talk with your son or your daughter, right?

• 1:25:49AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  You're not looking forward to it, but you gotta do it.

• 1:25:51AJ Gentile?

  You do.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  And you do it. So we talk about her and, um, she was very forthcoming. She admits she stole them. And frankly, I'm glad she did. Otherwise they'd still be sitting in there and who knows when they would be found.

• 1:26:04AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  And, and realized, right? So we, we do that. And then, um, another copy of the journals showed up.

• 1:26:12AJ Gentile?

  They did.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  They did. They did.

• 1:26:14AJ Gentile?

  Where did those come from?

• 1:26:16Speaker 02

  Well, she actually tracked it down. Because what she did is she followed the lines of John Weems Jr., who had like 10 kids. And what we found out is after his death, right before the Civil War, um, they were all Masons. Um, and a cousin, I think two cousins and one of the sons recopied. And they went down their lines, and so we were able to get a copy from that line. And what happened was, um, John Alston Weems, or James Alston Weems, in 1885, so this would be about, John Weems, John Weems Jr. died in 1812, so we're talking, what, 70 years later, 73 years later.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  He has a copy of the journals, but they're in the old language. So he asked a nun to translate them. She was, she was formally trained in Montreal, which is French, right? Right. But she was formally trained by the Catholic Church in Latin. And so she did her own translation. And that was done in 1885, and it was recopied, and what we have is a modern copy. Now, if you have a person who has a copy of those journals from 1885, who's formally trained in Latin, would you expect the, the, those translations to be exactly like Diana's

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  who used modern, uh, translation programs on the internet? Probably not identical. And if they were, that's a problem, right? It's a problem, yep. They're not even close. They're not even close. Well, the, the, the essence of the messages are exactly the same. Sure. But the phrasing is different, words are different. She sneaks in some French words because she lived in Montreal, like grand-pari, which is, and I'm not, I'm not saying that right, uh, correctly, but, uh, it's a word for grandparents. And that's not in Diana's. So, um, that actually breeds authenticity into the, the document. But in any case, it's the same story.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  So what I do is I published Diana's translation, and then in italics, I do Sister Harkins' translation, and then highlighted is my commentary. And this is in your book? This is in the book. Okay. So just for fun, can we read a couple of passages? I'm ready. Okay. So, um, when Earl Henry Sinclair was eight years old, the very first entry, his father, he writes about how his father, and eight is a very important number, remember? Yep. Eight Goths? Eight Goths.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  And he says, "He gave me this book to write down things I will remember when I am a man." And he writes religiously throughout his life, and we learn everything about his life. And it's an amazing life, let me tell you. He becomes the Earl of Orkney, and a lot of crazy stuff. But anyway, so what he does is, he's also a vassal to the Norwegian king, is the Earl of Orkney, because they were under the rule of the Norwegian king at that time. And so he has to go to Norway periodically and report.

• 1:29:29AJ Gentile?

  So this is when, like, late 14th century?

• 1:29:31Speaker 02

  Well, the first entry he makes is in 1353, when he's eight years old. So he was born in 1345. Then, this particular time he goes up is in 1368, which is about six years after the rune stone was carved. And he finds out, when he's having dinner with the king and a bunch of people, that there was a guy who recently came back from the Western lands, North America.

• 1:30:01AJ Gentile?

  Where is that written? That's in the journals?

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:30:05AJ Gentile?

  But I thought, you told me Christopher Columbus discovered America.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  I never said that. You shut up. I did not say that.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  I knew that was coming.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Okay, so, he learns from this guy. It reminds him about a party that left Norway in 1358. And he's, he heard about them, but he doesn't know what happened to them. So, he says in one of his journals, "I gotta go back and talk to the brethren and find out." The older guys, right?

• 1:30:39AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  So he writes in July 26, this is about two months after he gets back from Norway.

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  "July 26, 1368. I had spoken with the brethren regarding my concerns for the men who have traveled to the western banks in the spring of 1358. No word has been received from them, but Brother Cameron has said that none is expected. They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement." Boom!

• 1:31:07AJ Gentile?

  Land claim.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  Right on.

• 1:31:10AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  And that more would follow.

• 1:31:14AJ Gentile?

  More what would follow?

• 1:31:15Speaker 02

  More Templars.

• 1:31:16AJ Gentile?

  More Templars are coming.

• 1:31:18Speaker 02

  They were establishing.

• 1:31:20AJ Gentile?

  New Atlantis.

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  New Atlantis. They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement and that more would follow. He acknowledged that they were men of the craft and included monks with herbal knowledge.

• 1:31:34AJ Gentile?

  So Freemasonry, alchemy?

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  And the monks with alchemy and obviously legend of Enoch knowledge.

• 1:31:44AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  Runestone. Earlier, we figure out who it was. His name was Father Richards, but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole today.

• 1:31:52AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:31:53Speaker 02

  Because of the political unrest in Scotland, no additional brethren have been sent. It might be several years before another journey can be planned.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  So in 1395 and 1398, Earl Henry takes eight ships loaded with treasures to the Western Lands. And then he went again in 1398.

• 1:32:16AJ Gentile?

  With these, the Templar treasures?

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  Templar treasures that were hidden in, we, we learn all about where they were hidden. And we know what happened after they left Laura's Shell.

• 1:32:27AJ Gentile?

  So hang on, let's catch everybody up. These are the treasures that King, that King Philip the Fair wanted and they were missing.

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  Yes. So when the arrest order came down on October 13, 1307, the agents of the church immediately went to the treasury at the headquarters of the Knights Templar in Paris, opened the doors and it was empty. Then they went up to Laura's Shell where there were 18 ships that were parked there, loaded. Well, some of them were loaded with treasure and when the agents went up there, they were gone too. So they disappeared into history and people have speculated ever since. This tells us exactly what happened.

• 1:33:09AJ Gentile?

  Are we going to learn what the items actually were?

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  If you're nice.

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• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  The obligation after Earl Henry came over was passed down to his son and grandson, and five generations of the Sinclair's, is you were to visit the Western Lands twice in your lifetime. Once with your father, once with your son, to make sure that treasures were safe. It's important to note, too, that, starting with Earl Henry, they formed a deep spiritual bond with the natives, who basically bonded through ritual. The natives practiced Freemasonry just like we do. Exactly the same. Funny about that, huh?

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  Most people don't know that. I'd been in their sweats, and I had to earn the right to ask my questions.

• 1:34:42AJ Gentile?

  They say that knowledge came from somewhere else.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  They've been doing it for tens of thousands of years, all the way back to you-know-who.

• 1:34:50AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  So the natives know.

• 1:34:52AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  And basically, and intermarriage, they also bonded through intermarriage. But essentially, what the natives said to Earl Henry and his descendants was, "You are our brothers. Gold and silver mean nothing to us. If you want us to guard these treasures for you, we'll do it." So every time they came back to check on them, they met with the natives, they broke bread, they shared rituals, and a lot of those knights stayed. In fact, in 1398, 120 knights templar said, "We've been excommunicated, the plague is ravaging in Europe. You know what? I think we're gonna try our chances over there. You know those native women? They're pretty cute."

• 1:35:35AJ Gentile?

  Those Templars end up.

• 1:35:37Speaker 02

  North America.

• 1:35:37AJ Gentile?

  North America.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  So not only did they leave the treasures, they brought the bloodline.

• 1:35:42AJ Gentile?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  And put it in the natives. But that's another story. Anyways.

• 1:35:50AJ Gentile?

  They brought, put the bloodline in the natives.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  Why do you think there was so much genocide?

• 1:35:56AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, committed by, by Catholics. Okay.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Lot more to the story, isn't it?

• 1:36:02AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, there is.

• 1:36:05Speaker 02

  So, we go through all the, the, the five generations of the Sinclair's. We get, and the journalists pass from the Sinclair's to the Weems, because the later generations were not good guys. Catherine Sinclair, interesting that a goddess made the transfer to her husband, who was James Weems. The Weems clan were shipping barons then, and they still are to this day. So they had the means to go over and check on the treasures, right? So for nine out of 10 generations, the Weems family went over and checked on the treasures. We get to the 10th generation, which is John Weems Jr., who receives a, a note from his father. He said, "You need to come see me right away.

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  It's very important. Get here as soon as you can." And he writes in his journal, by the way, he was the most prolific writer. He said, "My father's never asked me to do something like this before. I need to get up there right away." John Weems Jr. fought in three wars. The French and Indian Wars, the Revolution, and I forget the other one. And he was deeded land by the government in Tennessee. That's how he got to Tennessee. He was originally in North Carolina when he got dismissive when he was 28 years old.

• 1:37:20AJ Gentile?

  That's why Tennessee factors in. He was gifted.

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. So he goes to visit his father, who lives in Abington, Pennsylvania, which is about 20-minute drive north of Philadelphia. And he says, "Son," and it turns out his father was at really bad gout. He would die two years later in 1771, but this is 1769. He said, "You're to go with these two older men." Up to Nova Scotia to check on the treasures. And then, when you're done, come back. His father couldn't go with him. So they go up there, they check on the treasures. On the way back, John is having doubts about the story. And he's reading the journals. His father gives him the journals to read.

• 1:38:03AJ Gentile?

  He's having doubts, doesn't he see the treasure?

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  Well, no, they see where it's buried. It's in the ground.

• 1:38:09AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  But they see piles of rocks, they see inscribed stones, they see who knows what else, what all. And he's like, descended from, you know, kings in Scotland, this is crazy. So you know what the older guys did?

• 1:38:22AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  They took him to the Newport Tower.

• 1:38:25AJ Gentile?

  The Newport Tower.

• 1:38:26Speaker 02

  John was an engineer. And he was fascinated with how the building was, the windows were in the cardinal points and aligned to the, you know, the astronomical, he caught all that.

• 1:38:37AJ Gentile?

  So to catch everybody up, that's the rap, that's the windmill, right? The Benedict Arnold windmill.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  You stop it.

• 1:38:43AJ Gentile?

  That's for some reason is round, and for some reason aligns with the solstice.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  I get like this when you say windmill man.

• 1:38:49AJ Gentile?

  I know.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  But I, but you obviously know about the tower, you know, it was built by the Templars. And, and it's mentioned in here. It's mentioned in here. I mean, anyway. Um. So he comes back and he's convinced. The tower convinced him for some reason. So he comes back to his father and his father, they'd been gone for like two months. And he said, "Son, the political situation has changed. You need to go back and round up more men. And you're gonna go recover those treasures next year." So he does that. He rounds up forty-six Freemasons, young men. And six slaves. Now I'm gonna ask you a question. Do you know what the word manumission means?

• 1:39:31AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:39:34AJ Gentile?

  To liberate a slave?

• 1:39:36Speaker 02

  Damn. Nobody gets that right.

• 1:39:39AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  I didn't know what that was. I learned about it in the journals.

• 1:39:43AJ Gentile?

  So what, what did they do with this?

• 1:39:44Speaker 02

  So those six slaves that went up and helped recover their treasures were freed when they got back.

• 1:39:49AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  For their service.

• 1:39:51AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  So. Forty-six men and six slaves go to Abington where there was a special meeting. It was like the rah rah speech before they took off. Remember, they're going into British territory, right?

• 1:40:04AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  And so...

• 1:40:06AJ Gentile?

  And this is about what, like seventeen seventy?

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  Seventeen seventy.

• 1:40:10AJ Gentile?

  Okay, so it's dangerous.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  So that, yeah. So, listen to this. This entry was written by John Weems Jr. May 6, 1770. And it'll speak for itself.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  "My father, having been raised to the status of master mason in the forty-six British Regiment..." I had to go to Canada to vet this. And that's another story in itself. I looked at all the Templar records going back to his times. He was a Templar.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  His father. "Forty-six British Regiment presided over the meeting, which was attended by William Ball of Philadelphia and Benjamin Franklin, the former provincial grand master of Pennsylvania." And that is correct. That timing is correct. Now, anybody could have found that, but everything fits, right?

• 1:41:07AJ Gentile?

  It's a big hoax if it's a hoax. There's a lot of information.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  Too much detail.

• 1:41:10AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:41:11Speaker 02

  That fits.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  "The brethren gathered in the schoolhouse and for three hours were impressed upon by the presiding brethren the importance of their mission. We were each divided into groups of five, and each group was named after the ship of Earl Henry's that brought the treasures, which is kinda cool."

• 1:41:30AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  "And told to embrace each other in the coming journey and learn to trust and depend upon each other as it would become vitally important in our task. The presiding brethren also imparted their knowledge of current political events and told us that it was immensely important that the Templar treasure find its way back to the Grand Lodge to assist in the oncoming war."

• 1:41:55AJ Gentile?

  The Revolutionary War is funded by Templars? By Templar treasure?

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  That's how I interpret it.

• 1:42:02AJ Gentile?

  That's what it sounds like. It was financed by somebody.

• 1:42:05Speaker 02

  Well, one of my friends, John Freiberg, I think I told you about him, did a little research into the financing of the Revolutionary War. And there was one particular brother, who I can't remember his name, that put up a lot of the money. But John says he could only account for sixty of the hundred and sixty million that was spent on the war. Where did that other hundred million come from? I think we might know.

• 1:42:33AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:34Speaker 02

  Because we looked into all this.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  "We would soon lose control of the territory in Nova Scotia, and the brethren feared it would be lost, if not retrieved, straight away. They also reiterated that secrecy was of the utmost importance, and that we would always be surrounded by British troops and subjects who might report our every move."

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  Brother Franklin reminded us that no matter what our political or religious leanings, our loyalty to the brethren was most important. "We must honor our commitment and remember our vows, or the burgeoning nation of free men might never come to pass." I don't know about you, but I get chills every time.

• 1:43:22AJ Gentile?

  Absolutely.

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  "After a brief supper was served and prayers were said, we left to return to our bunks in Abington, knowing that the future of the nation lay in our hands. I prayed that I would be a capable leader and said as much to my father. He responded that leaders are not born, they are created. The Lord would guide me in my journey. I must only have faith in Him as He does in me. Father made the sign of a cross on my forehead with his thumb and gave me his blessing. I leave with a lighter heart."

• 1:43:56AJ Gentile?

  That's lovely.

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  I was like in tears the first time I read that. I'm like Franklin, brother.

• 1:44:05AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:06Speaker 02

  Why didn't you tell us? I mean, but nobody knew about that. Nobody could know, right?

• 1:44:11AJ Gentile?

  Most of the founding fathers were Masons, weren't they?

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  Fifty-three of the fifty-six signers.

• 1:44:16AJ Gentile?

  So do you think they knew about this?

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  Hell, yes.

• 1:44:20AJ Gentile?

  Do you think they-

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  Are you kidding me? Of course they did. If Ben Franklin knew, George knew, Thomas Jefferson-

• 1:44:27AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:44:27Speaker 02

  George Ma- well, George Mason was written. Listen. So, so you know where George Mason's, uh, island is?

• 1:44:35AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  Theodore Roosevelt Island, right? So you and Tim must have talked about this.

• 1:44:40AJ Gentile?

  We didn't.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  You didn't?

• 1:44:41AJ Gentile?

  No. So, please.

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  Man, man, impressive. Look at you. July fourteenth, seventeen seventy, they're back. And actually, you know who captained the ship? It was a Weems.

• 1:44:57AJ Gentile?

  Oh, he was a Brit.

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  But his-

• 1:45:00AJ Gentile?

  But his vows-

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Loyalty to the brethren was most important.

• 1:45:04AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  And it was, it was his cousin, uh, John's cousin. And he's, they brought everything back and kept their mouth shut. It has taken the greater part of the day to transfer all the, uh, all the cargo up the Potomac River to Mason's Island. That is now Theodore Roosevelt Island, which sits right behind what monument?

• 1:45:30AJ Gentile?

  Is that behind Jefferson?

• 1:45:31Speaker 02

  Lincoln.

• 1:45:32AJ Gentile?

  Lincoln, okay.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Right by the river there, right where that helicopter crashed. Remember that, the collision?

• 1:45:38AJ Gentile?

  Yep. I think Mason's monument is over there somewhere, though.

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  Oh, it's, it's be- it's behind Thomas Jefferson.

• 1:45:45AJ Gentile?

  Behind Jefferson.

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  They call him the forgotten founder.

• 1:45:48AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 1:45:48Speaker 02

  George Mason.

• 1:45:49AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:49Speaker 02

  Yep. Uh, surprised at the, oh.

• 1:45:52AJ Gentile?

  Do you want to, you, you gotta tell them why he's the forgotten founder.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Well, he's, he's called the forgotten founder because you don't hear about him. Uh, but he was the one that wrote, um-

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  The Bill of Rights and um I think it was the constitut- you know the um part of the Constitution that was actually uh for the state of Virginia and Thomas Jefferson used that as a template for yeah so but anyway he was also one that would not sign the Bill of Rights unless there was a provision put in there that basically said that everybody is born with certain inalienable rights. Did you know that?

• 1:46:31AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  And that goes back to um Parcival where it's first mentioned that every human being is born with certain inalienable rights and he wouldn't sign it until they put a provision in that said that.

• 1:46:45AJ Gentile?

  The church doesn't like that either.

• 1:46:46Speaker 02

  Well, too bad.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  Uh I was enlisted by Brother Hanson to inventory the cargo as was placed in the vault and was surprised at the amount of treasure we had recovered. The inventory was given to Brother Mason upon completion, so I do this from memory.

• 1:47:07AJ Gentile?

  Hold on, are we gonna?

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  Well, maybe we should just stop.

• 1:47:10AJ Gentile?

  No!

• 1:47:12AJ Gentile?

  Hold on.

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  Are you ready for this?

• 1:47:15AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  Buckle up, cuz here we go.

• 1:47:19AJ Gentile?

  So, forget Oak Island, there's nothing there.

• 1:47:22Speaker 02

  Nope, it's gone.

• 1:47:23AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  In total, there are more than forty chests of coin, twenty-five gold crucifixes of varying sizes, twelve menorah of varying sizes, numerous parchments and paintings kept in tubes of crushed lime and clay. Only a few, only a very few of them have been opened to the weather and all seem in good repair. There are also six arcs made of gold and silver of various sizes.

• 1:48:01AJ Gentile?

  We mean like Ark of the Covenant arcs?

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  Spelled A-R-K.

• 1:48:06AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:48:09Speaker 02

  That's how I interpret it. So you know what that means, right? I think most people listening are gonna go, "Six arcs, what are you talking about?" Right? Well, the secret of the arc isn't where it is. It's how to make one. And you know how to make, you know who knows how to make one? Our boy, Tim Hogan.

• 1:48:33AJ Gentile?

  Tim knows how to make an arc?

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:36AJ Gentile?

  I knew he was an alchemist. I didn't know he was an arc builder.

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  I'm sorry if I wasn't supposed to say anything, Tim.

• 1:48:42AJ Gentile?

  They're gonna revoke your award.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  Uh, "Three heavily decorated with filigree and winged creatures."

• 1:48:50AJ Gentile?

  Oh my goodness, so this is the cherubim on the ark?

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  Yes. "Four stone boxes that contain remnants of bone."

• 1:48:59AJ Gentile?

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  "A stone box of broken stone tablets."

• 1:49:07AJ Gentile?

  I mean, you can't make this. I mean, I guess you could.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  No, you could, but you can't, right? "An emerald tablet." "Several bloodied swords and lances, two of which are broken." "One stone box contains flasks of mysterious substances."

• 1:49:29AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:49:30Speaker 02

  "But I am reluctant to ask what magical solutions they contain." "Several casks of jewels and numerous other gold and silver artifacts fill the empty space." "It was late evening before we closed the door to the vault, which was then sealed with mortar made of crushed lime and shells. The entrance was then covered with soil and made invisible to those who know not where it lay." "A group of ten and fourteen masons encircled the tomb." "And we blessed the vault and asked Heavenly Father to bless and protect this place against time and ravages and greed of war."

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  Cousin James left under the... Anyway, that's getting into the details. Now, let me ask you a question.

• 1:50:21AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:22Speaker 02

  Why ten and fourteen?

• 1:50:23AJ Gentile?

  I was gonna ask you, it's a strange way to say that.

• 1:50:26Speaker 02

  Aren't those numbers on the Kensington Reis?

• 1:50:28AJ Gentile?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  Why didn't you just say 24?

• 1:50:32AJ Gentile?

  I don't know, Templars do this.

• 1:50:33Speaker 02

  There's a reason. And he called it a tomb. I did not catch that at first. First time I read this, I was so flabbergasted.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  Four stone boxes with remnants of bone.

• 1:50:48AJ Gentile?

  Are those the bones that we're talking about?

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  I honestly don't know. But of course they are. I mean, why else would they bring them over, right?

• 1:51:00AJ Gentile?

  I would love to test those bones against what's in Tellpiat.

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  We've already.

• 1:51:08AJ Gentile?

  Have you done that?

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:51:11AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  Not yet. But I will say that if bones or maybe, let's say they found a skull.

• 1:51:22Speaker 02

  Could we test that against known entities that came out of like, say the Tellpiat tomb? Could they have done the DNA already?

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  And could we test it?

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  I'd say, yeah.

• 1:51:38AJ Gentile?

  Has it been done?

• 1:51:41AJ Gentile?

  Can't confirm or deny?

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  What you said.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  Not, not yet.

• 1:51:47AJ Gentile?

  Not yet, okay.

• 1:51:48Speaker 02

  Okay. So, that's that. This is the greatest story, seriously. Templar tale never told. This is like, this is like National Treasure on steroids.

• 1:51:59AJ Gentile?

  Good luck getting it. It's sold out. I couldn't get it.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  We'll get more. We'll print more. But I mean, I am now, and then I have a final chapter. Where I talk about, I called it analysis. And I'm just going to give you one minor little example that is nothing that says a lot. In one of the entries, when they're over here, they talk about a big furry animal that cuts down trees.

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  Which with a large, flat tail.

• 1:52:36AJ Gentile?

  Beavers?

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  Beavers. The entry was made in 16 something. This is, this is John Weems Jr. I think, or, no, it was the generation before that. What I found out is that beavers were hunted out in like the 14th century.

• 1:52:53AJ Gentile?

  That's true.

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  In the British Isles.

• 1:52:55AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:52:56Speaker 02

  They were reintroduced in 2004. So beavers are in Scotland and England now. But in 1665, that's when it was, when he wrote that entry, he didn't know what the hell that was.

• 1:53:10AJ Gentile?

  He didn't know what kind of animal that was?

• 1:53:12Speaker 02

  He didn't know because he didn't have them over there.

• 1:53:14AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:53:15Speaker 02

  For like 300 years. But now they have them. Now, something like that is so innocuous, but yet it's huge.

• 1:53:24AJ Gentile?

  Those are the details that really sell it for me. Those little, like the two lances were broken, like he's just covering, like, look.

• 1:53:30Speaker 02

  But I remember a couple of them were broken, the swords were broken, right? Bloodied and broken, there was a stain on them or something. But there's, there's all kinds, and 10 and 14. Why? I mean, it's stuff like that, that just, if you're a 40, you don't know this stuff, right? And you start getting into the sacred numbers that are the Fibonacci sequence. 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13. Um, and then, you know, 22 and 26, which is 2 times 13. And when you understand the sacredness of these, not many people know this. And yet this is what they're doing because it's honoring deity, it's honoring the goddess.

• 1:54:15Speaker 02

  What's also interesting about that entry that nobody would know is that throughout the journals, they talk about the goddess, blessing, getting the blessing of the goddess. They rarely talk about the Heavenly Father. The only time that they mention here is when it's associated with death.

• 1:54:37AJ Gentile?

  That's interesting.

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. They don't mention the goddess.

• 1:54:40AJ Gentile?

  So the goddess is life.

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 1:54:43AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:44Speaker 02

  And that's why they, they always use the sacred numbers. Now, some people know that now because we've been talking about it, but...

• 1:54:51AJ Gentile?

  Did you realize that agates were based around the sacred numbers when you were hunting them?

• 1:54:54Speaker 02

  Of course. I didn't. No, I didn't at first, but I do now. I mean, it's everywhere. It's, it's the key to life in the universe.

• 1:55:04AJ Gentile?

  I agree. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and we'll look at these...

• 1:55:07Speaker 02

  And then we're gonna do... Do you want to do the green jar?

• 1:55:10AJ Gentile?

  We need to get to the green jar.

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  I don't care if you do or not. We're doing it.

• 1:55:13AJ Gentile?

  We're doing it.

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:55:15AJ Gentile?

  The green jar. Do we...

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  It's time.

• 1:55:19AJ Gentile?

  Is this the big reveal?

• 1:55:20Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 1:55:21AJ Gentile?

  Um, it's okay if it's not.

• 1:55:24Speaker 02

  I, I, no, I, I think, I think this, this is the big reveal and, I mean, I need to give you a little bit of context.

• 1:55:31AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:55:31Speaker 02

  I do want to just do one thing, if it's okay, AJ. Um, as we go through this, you know, we're having a really good time and again, I want to thank you again for having me on. This has been, I'm having a blast. I don't want it to end. I want to keep going. But, um, you know, as much fun as we're having, you know, I just want people to understand that what we're doing here is we're not trying to go after anybody. We're not trying to attack anybody's faith. I'm not trying to make a point. Um, we've been doing this research. Um, I've been on this path and it led us to finding this jar and I'm going to tell you the story.

• 1:56:10Speaker 02

  And it's about some of the most important things to a lot of people. And I just want people to understand, I'm not here to try to offend anybody. I'm not trying to attack anybody's faith. I'm just presenting the information. I'm certainly welcome to have my own opinion, but I'm not trying to project anything. I'm just, we found it and here's what it says.

• 1:56:36AJ Gentile?

  And I think that's, that's good enough. So if people can do their own research, they can believe what they want to believe. We're not here to change minds.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:56:43AJ Gentile?

  You just follow the evidence.

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's a great story.

• 1:56:46AJ Gentile?

  It's a great story. It's, you know, it's a treasure hunt.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  So, all right. Well, let me give you a little bit of context. Um, so in 2006, I was at a conference on the East Coast, uh, a nearer conference, New England Antiquities Research Association.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  And I gave a lecture and then afterwards I was introduced by a woman named Xena Halpern, who was a good friend, to a guy named Don Rue. Six foot eight guy who has a voice like this, so if I talk like him, I can't help it. But anyway, a very interesting guy. And he asked me if I would

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  help him with some field work. And in 2008, myself, Steve St. Clair, my son Grant, and a guy, another friend and researcher by the name of Dave Brody, went up into the Catskill Mountains and to help Don with some research and we found some carvings up there. Theban letters carved in the rocks and an inscribed stone. We found an inscribed stone.

• 1:57:54AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:57:55Speaker 02

  Had the latitude and longitude of Montreal. It had some interesting symbols carved on it on the backside, which we now know are a Tanit symbol, which is the ancient goddess of the Phoenicians. And something called the wilted rose of the house of the Magdalene.

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  I didn't know what those symbols were at the time, but I do now.

• 1:58:17AJ Gentile?

  How did you date this stone? What age is this?

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  We aren't really sure, but it probably dates back to about sometime in the 17th century.

• 1:58:29AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:58:30Speaker 02

  Not that old, not super old. In any case. I got to know Don and I came to realize, kind of along with him, that he worked for an agency, starting in 1961 until it was dissolved in 1994, that did work for our military. They were paid to do certain work.

• 1:58:57Speaker 02

  And I'm supposed to say...

• 1:58:59AJ Gentile?

  He didn't tell you what kind of work?

• 1:59:00Speaker 02

  You know what kind of work he did? Yes. You can't say? I can't really go into all of it. I understand. I don't want to upset Don. Don's eighty-three years old and, you know, he's- Let's not upset Don. I don't want to upset Don. But anyway,

• 1:59:15Speaker 02

  his best friend was a guy by the name of Bill Jackson, who after he got out of serving in Korea, needed a job, so Don got him involved in with this agency. So they started working together. And they lived in New York, in the Bronx, and one of the things that they used to do, and in nineteen sixty-eight, they went up the Hudson River to a place called Bannerman Island. Francis Bannerman was an arms dealer who would sell to both the North and the South during the Civil War, and then his son sold to people leading up to the First World War. It's an interesting story. But he was a Scottish arms dealer. And what they did was, in nineteen sixteen, the, I think, don't quote me on these dates, but nineteen sixteen,

• 1:59:59Speaker 02

  Francis Bannerman, uh, the fourth died, fourth or sixth, I forget now. And then two years later, the munitions that were stored on the island blew up. So all this stuff went into the water, Hudson River, around the island. Don and Bill and his buddies would go up there and scuba dive and snorkel, get the munitions, take them to the Bronx and pawn it for money. Well, while they were up there, Don was over on the eastern shore, which is only about a quarter mile, it's close to the eastern shore, right where the railroad goes by, and he found a couple of decorative ornaments that had blown off the island. And he gave them to his friend Bill because his wife was a gardener and she used them in her garden. A year later, their five-year-old son

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  pulled the top ball of this decorative ornament and realized that it opened, and Bill opened it, and inside was a clay tube, four inches long, inch in diameter, sealed with beeswax. Inside were two parchments that were encrypted in theben and had a very controversial message. Uh, the other thing that was inside there was a brass hockey puck-shaped device that was actually a navigation device. And inside were metal inserts. On one of those metal inserts was the word- Antiora. Antiora is the ancient name of North America.

• 2:01:27Speaker 05

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• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  Bill did a bunch of research, traveled to France, and he bought a book that had the word Antiora in it. And basically, this book was European languages that have Native American words in them. And the word Antiora was in this book. It was published in 1715. What Bill Jackson then did was chase down the descendants of the two authors, Roche Fekold and Benvenuto. Eventually, met the descendant of Benvenuto in Rome, who had a document that was referenced inside that paper, that we now call the Cremona Document.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  And it was offered to Bill, and he bought it. Bill did not tell Don everything about his research. One of the things we know that he bought was an encrypted story about a 12th-century mission of six ships with 144 men and women, led by a Templar Knight by the name of Sir Ralph de Soudly. Look up his brother. He did something very famous. But anyway, he was to lead these people to North America, to a place that we know now is in the Catskill Mountains, where we were hiking up on in 2008 and 09.

• 2:03:40Speaker 02

  A place called the Temple of the Goddess, where ancient biblical era scrolls were hidden. And de Sutelis' mission was to go and recover those scrolls and bring them back to Europe. He left in 1177.

• 2:03:56AJ Gentile?

  Who assigns him that mission?

• 2:03:57Speaker 02

  Grand Master.

• 2:03:59AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:04:01Speaker 02

  On the way, he stopped in Denmark and picked up their navigator, a woman by the name of Altamara. I think she was indigenous, because she knew exactly how to get to the temple. How would she know that? Because that's where she came from.

• 2:04:15AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:04:16Speaker 02

  On the way there, rounding the southern coast of Newfoundland, one of their ships hit rocks. It was unable to be fixed. They salvaged, they salvaged everything, towed it out and scuttled it. They marked the location in the Cremona document. Bill got that part of the document, and he said, "Let me take this part, and I'll be back." And then he called Don, said, "Hey, Don, I want to go scuba diving up in Newfoundland." Don never married, never had kids, never had an excuse. But as Don said, Bill said the magic words, "I'll pay." So they went up there.

• 2:04:59AJ Gentile?

  To dive the shipwreck.

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  And they found the ship.

• 2:05:02AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 2:05:03Speaker 02

  It's all in the book I'm writing right now, and it's amazing stuff. Anyway, that convinced Bill that the story was true. He went back to Rome, and he bought it in 1971. And they were up there in 71. So, for the next 20-something years, Bill was doing everything he could in the field to try to find stuff we now know, uh, we now know. And he would always bring Don with him. And Don would hear things, but he didn't, he didn't know what was going on. In 1994, Bill, who was a medical doctor, realized he was dying of arterial sclerosis and Parkinson's disease, and he sold the document to the Vatican.

• 2:05:47AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I said.

• 2:05:51AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 2:05:52Speaker 02

  Bill was no fool.

• 2:05:55Speaker 02

  In 2013, one of the other guys that worked in the agency called Don and said, "Hey, I've got some 35 millimeter film that Bill gave me. Do you want this shit? Undeveloped." Bill, Don said, "Of course." Photographs of everything that is sold. Then, in 2017, Jan and I were driving back from the East Coast and we just happened to stop and see Don. And I go in there and I said, "I want to get a drink of water." I go in the kitchen, I look and I see a picture of Don with Rick Leguina and another guy from the Curse of Oak Island show. I said, "What the hell?"

• 2:06:40Speaker 02

  I said, "Were those guys here?" He said, "Yes." I said, "What the hell do they want?" He said, "They left me a contract." You read it, you're in the TV business, you tell me. So I'm reading this thing and I go, "Oh, this is great, Don. They want all your artifacts, they want all your documents, they're not going to pay you anything, but they're going to let you be on the show for your 15 minutes of fame." This is a great contract, I'd sign it right away. I'm not signing that. Well, how about signing mine? You did? I did. We signed a deal right there. I still can't believe that. And then, he hands me a manila envelope.

• 2:07:20Speaker 02

  And I open the manila envelope and there's a letter from Bill Jackson's daughter, Melissa. Basically, she said, she's got a letter from her father from 1996. And she, basically, he says, "I'm giving you this stuff because I don't want your mother to get it." His wife hated all this research. And he said, "If your mother gets it, she'll throw it away. If anything happens to me, get this to Don." Well, Bill died in 2000, so obviously Melissa forgot. But in 2017, she found it and she mailed it to Don. And that letter was in there and she wrote a letter and, you know, said, "Dad told me I'm sorry," you know, blah, blah, blah. You know what was in there?

• 2:08:05Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:08:08Speaker 02

  Page one of the year we remember that story of the subtly going over to recover, and he got half the scrolls and he wintered over. Half the actual scrolls? That were at the temple of the goddess. Yeah. This is 1179. Wow. And then they wintered over, they sailed back, and then 1180, he gave his deposition in front of the Grand Master and agents of the church. They each made copies. That's what we got. But he said one of the most important document that he was able to recover was the marriage document of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Wow, the marriage document. And that was in 1180.

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  So, half the scrolls are still there. So, now Melissa gives us this sheet and it's filled with Theban. What's Theban? Theban is, um, it's a, um, an alphabet, a secret alphabet that was used by the Templars that was developed sometime around 1250, we think. Any case, a lot of the documents that we would end up getting are in Theban and you're gonna see some Theban today. So, anyway, um, that first page also had a cipher phrase at the top that it turns out

• 2:09:32Speaker 02

  you have to have to be able to decipher any of the Theban. In Bill's notes, he basically told the church that the first page was missing. That was a lie. Yeah. So, guess what? He sold the church a worthless document. Boom. I love this guy. Now, we're starting to learn what he really did. Long story short, over the course of the last, almost, it'll be nine years, half a dozen of the colleagues that Bill and Don worked with in this agency, this company.

• 2:10:16Speaker 02

  Have died. And we know what Bill did. He disseminated the most important parts of the document to his colleagues with strict instructions upon their deaths. This material was to go to Don Rue. Why Don? Well, the third one we got was a letter written from Bill to John Lennon. Not that John Lennon. John Lennon was with the agency, but he was also with Scotland Yard. And whenever they would go to the British Isles, he was the liaison that they would meet up with, and he and Bill were good friends. So he gave him some stuff. But in the letter, he said, "Don and I were childhood friends. He is my best friend.

• 2:11:00Speaker 02

  He was the only one that took my research seriously. So I, and he was the youngest of the Spartan personnel. So he's probably gonna outlive us, and that's exactly what's happened. He's the last man standing." Does he have all the material? Is it now all accounted for? It is. Okay. So, now you know what Bill did.

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  In 2022, Janet and I and Don went into the woods in the upper Adirondacks. And we went, hold that thought. In 1656, we have a letter that was written by Lionel DeWalter in the 23rd. His name shows up in earlier documents. Remember this bloodline stuff we were talking about? I do. For sure. Okay. He writes a letter that says, "Flatlanders and Hollanders, Dutch people, are moving into the area. We gotta get the stuff out of here." And then he lists all the documents that they still had at the temple that were hidden in North America.

• 2:12:09Speaker 02

  One of them is something called the Book of the Wars of the Lord, which is mentioned in Numbers.

• 2:12:15AJ Gentile?

  This is allegedly a lost book of the Bible.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  Yes, but no extant copy is known to exist today. That's not true. We have two parts.

• 2:12:26AJ Gentile?

  You have that book?

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  Remember those pictures?

• 2:12:28AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:12:29Speaker 02

  That's what the Vatican wanted.

• 2:12:31AJ Gentile?

  Of course they did.

• 2:12:33Speaker 02

  Because in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, which we now have, Bill gave to us in his weird way, there are two things that are problematic. We can read them if you want, but I'll just tell you what's

• 2:12:47AJ Gentile?

  Tell us what's in there.

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  What's problematic.

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  One is

• 2:12:55Speaker 02

  that deity

• 2:12:59Speaker 02

  has an equal male/female counterpart. She is mentioned, and she is powerful.

• 2:13:09AJ Gentile?

  That's problematic.

• 2:13:11Speaker 02

  That's a problem.

• 2:13:12AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:13:15Speaker 02

  The second part

• 2:13:18Speaker 02

  is aliens.

• 2:13:20AJ Gentile?

  In that book, what do they say about aliens? How are they described?

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  "I am the goddess, and I do battle for the sons of Daan," Dan, sons of Dan. I'm trying to pull it up from my head. "You will leave this place, for I do battle for the sons of Dan," and they kept marching. And then she calls down a silver beast with wings like a bird that spat lightning bolts into the water, and the horses of the chariots died, and the men shook as with palsy and died because they entered the shallows of the water.

• 2:14:04Speaker 02

  But in the other part of the Book of the Wars of the Lord, and in one of the encrypted messages, this name keeps turning up, the angel Kay.

• 2:14:17Speaker 02

  I'm not familiar with that. Well, in one of the encrypted messages,

• 2:14:25Speaker 02

  it says, "I saw the lights again. The right one descended upon my winter lodge, and there stood the likeness of Amon." Not a man. This is in scripto continua, but it's A-M-O-N. I kept trying to make it an A, but Janet said, "It's a frickin' O." And it's an O. Amon.

• 2:14:52Speaker 02

  He spake in, oh, I s- I saw around him, a- around his eyes, a light blue color. He spake into me in the tongue of the people. He said, "Can ye understand me?" I said, "Yea, but ye- that's not my native tongue." So he switched. Telepathy? Wow. And so he sends him on a mission. Now, remember I told you about the letter where they gotta get the stuff out of there? Yep. They took it to Montreal. Hence the stone we found. And lots of messages that tell us that's what they did.

• 2:15:35Speaker 02

  But on the way up through the Adirondacks, they diverted. And they buried the Book of the Wars of the Lord in a different place.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  That was in sixteen something.

• 2:15:51Speaker 02

  This message I just gave you was in eighteen ninety-eight.

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  And of course, I thought the rune stone was gonna show up. Right, right, of course. Well, it had nothing to do with the rune stone.

• 2:16:02Speaker 02

  But that's what it says. And what the angel K told the scribe at the time, who was updating the Templar records. And he finished that job in nineteen oh eight. That's what the, that's what all this is. It's the last update.

• 2:16:20Speaker 02

  He said, "Get the Book of the Wars of the Lord." And he sent him on the mission to go get it. And he got it. And he gave it to the angel K, who said, "The book is no longer amongst the world of men." Which begs the question, why did the aliens take, take it back? Because in eighteen ninety-eight, was the world ready for a dual-gendered god religion? No. Was the world ready for aliens? Nope.

• 2:16:47Speaker 02

  If you Google right now, Book of the Wars, the Lord, I just told you what it said. There is no extant copy. We have two parts. And this is what's in it. And that's why they took it back. So, of course, that freaked me out.

• 2:17:01AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:02Speaker 02

  Because I'm a science guy, right? And I'm not saying... Well, I've been dealing with this for several years now because I was approached by the government. You heard about that, right?

• 2:17:13AJ Gentile?

  No, you were approached by the government?

• 2:17:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:15AJ Gentile?

  To do what?

• 2:17:16Speaker 02

  Help with disclosure.

• 2:17:18AJ Gentile?

  Oh, don't take that. Don't take that gig.

• 2:17:21Speaker 02

  After this, I'll tell you the story.

• 2:17:23AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:17:24Speaker 02

  Did not end well.

• 2:17:25AJ Gentile?

  I'm glad. Don't take that gig.

• 2:17:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. In any case...

• 2:17:29AJ Gentile?

  Even as a scientist, a silver beast and a thing is shooting fire, it can only be one thing.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  The first time I gave a lecture and I talked about it, this is about three years ago. Almost three years ago now. I'm with a group of people that are open-minded. And I said, "People, help me. This is not my jam, okay? This isn't what I do." And they're all laughing. Scott?

• 2:17:59AJ Gentile?

  It's right there. It's right there.

• 2:18:03Speaker 02

  Look, yes, it took me a while to go there because I did not see this stuff that I've been working on with Don since I met him in 2006.

• 2:18:12AJ Gentile?

  That reluctance is important to us, though, that you don't just jump on the next theory.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  Well, I've jumped now.

• 2:18:20AJ Gentile?

  I know.

• 2:18:21Speaker 02

  Because I have no choice.

• 2:18:22AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:18:23Speaker 02

  Because I can't interpret it any other way. But there's more.

• 2:18:25AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:18:26Speaker 02

  There's more. Okay. So, now, let's go forward. At one point, we went to that place to look for the scroll before we got the message that told us that it was gone. But there was some stuff there. We found a cool little treasure of coins and crosses. And that's a whole nother story.

• 2:18:48AJ Gentile?

  Templar treasure?

• 2:18:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:18:49AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:18:50Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:18:50AJ Gentile?

  You have that?

• 2:18:51Speaker 02

  We do.

• 2:18:53AJ Gentile?

  Can you show the world that or no?

• 2:18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:55AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:18:55Speaker 02

  We were going to reveal it in the book, but, you know, we'll do that maybe another time.

• 2:19:00AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's cool stuff. Really cool stuff. Tim just goes, "I didn't even know that one cross with the symbols on it." He goes, "Yeah," he said, "that's my signature." And I looked at his signature. Sure enough, it was there.

• 2:19:13AJ Gentile?

  Yep, Tim knows everything. About this.

• 2:19:15Speaker 02

  So, um, and we were walking out and Janet and I and Don were walking out of the woods and it's, it's kind of rugged back there.

• 2:19:25Speaker 02

  There are nothing out there. No houses, no roads, way the fuck. And, uh, I said to Don,

• 2:19:36Speaker 02

  "Is there anyone left? Any more of your colleagues?" "Well, McMaster's is living, but he and Bill didn't get along. He wouldn't give them anything." And he sat there for a minute and he goes,

• 2:19:49Speaker 02

  "Bill had a girlfriend."

• 2:19:50AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 2:19:54Speaker 02

  As it turns out, she died two years previous, but she gave everything to her cousin, who goes simply by the name Roberta. She doesn't want her using her name.

• 2:20:06Speaker 02

  Don found her about four months later and that, that's a cool story. And she had a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff.

• 2:20:15AJ Gentile?

  What did she have and what?

• 2:20:16Speaker 02

  Including this message.

• 2:20:18AJ Gentile?

  Okay, that's wild. What is this?

• 2:20:21Speaker 02

  Well, that's a key. That's C-L-Y. That was done around circa 1908. What do you see?

• 2:20:30AJ Gentile?

  Well, first thing that jumps out is, is Veritas vos liberat. The truth set you, set you free. Is that what that is? Uh,

• 2:20:39Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 2:20:40AJ Gentile?

  Is that Theban?

• 2:20:42Speaker 02

  Uh, what else do you see? See that cross?

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  Right there?

• 2:20:50AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:20:52Speaker 02

  That's one of the crosses. We found one exactly like that. That's the five, five wounds of Christ cross,

• 2:20:59AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:21:00Speaker 02

  but it has a totally different meaning in Templarism. And, and Tim will tell you that.

• 2:21:05AJ Gentile?

  What does it mean? In Templarism?

• 2:21:08Speaker 02

  Um, I'm gonna let Tim tell you.

• 2:21:10AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:21:11Speaker 02

  Some things I think, um, are, are for him to... Now, this is a strange friggin alphabet.

• 2:21:16AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:21:17Speaker 02

  But we have a key right here. And then on the back, we have a message. But that's not what's important. Did you ever see the movie National Treasure?

• 2:21:26AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:21:27Speaker 02

  Do you remember what they used to do? Bring out the secret message on the back of the Declaration of Independence?

• 2:21:33AJ Gentile?

  And they used heat or light?

• 2:21:36Speaker 02

  They used lemon juice.

• 2:21:38AJ Gentile?

  Lemon juice.

• 2:21:39Speaker 02

  And heat, remember? And the message would come and it would cool down and disappear?

• 2:21:42AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:21:42Speaker 02

  You know what else works?

• 2:21:44AJ Gentile?

  What? Blacklight will do that also? We learned this in the Boy Scouts with the lemon juice. You have to read, I can't be the one to read that. That's unbelievable.

• 2:22:04Speaker 02

  The Yeshua scroll is not at our lodge. Now remember, on the letter in 1656, the documents that they still had to get out of there, one of the things that's mentioned is eight Yeshua scrolls.

• 2:22:21AJ Gentile?

  Eight Yeshua scrolls.

• 2:22:23Speaker 02

  We have another message where the angel Kay says to CLY, the guy that did this work, who went and got the Book of the Wars, the Lord. He said, "Take the Yeshua scrolls. Pick one, burn the rest. I do so. I'll go with the Sulpicians." Montreal was settled by the Sulpicians, which is a branch of the Order that came from Saint-Sulpice in Paris, France, which is just a few blocks down the street from Notre Dame Cathedral, which is about two blocks away from that plaque that Tim told you about

• 2:23:08Speaker 02

  where Jacques de Molay was not burned at the stake, roasted.

• 2:23:12AJ Gentile?

  He was roasted at the stake?

• 2:23:14Speaker 02

  He was roasted. So he would suffer more.

• 2:23:17AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:23:19Speaker 02

  So...

• 2:23:19AJ Gentile?

  So Montreal's a Templar city?

• 2:23:21Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah.

• 2:23:22AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:23:24Speaker 02

  That's a great story, too. The Yeshua scroll is not at our lodge. We went back to the old land and laid it in the dirt. Where the bear eats the moon. It is a right bite. Taliko. Taliko was CLY's indigenous name. He was married to an indigenous woman. This is late 1800s, early 1900s. What the hell is he talking about?

• 2:23:53AJ Gentile?

  I don't know.

• 2:23:54Speaker 02

  I do.

• 2:23:57AJ Gentile?

  Is that, is he giving indication where that scroll is?

• 2:24:00Speaker 02

  Yes. So there's one scroll.

• 2:24:03AJ Gentile?

  Why burn the rest? Okay.

• 2:24:06Speaker 02

  I was upset when I read that.

• 2:24:07AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:08Speaker 02

  That's in a different document, but I was extremely upset when that happened. So that takes us all the way to, uh, Roberta gave us a bunch of, five, six encrypted messages. One was invisible, um, but the rest were coded. Everyone is different. That's the thing about these encrypted mess. Everyone's different. Some will have a different cipher phrase. Uh, they use different alphabets, you know, somewhere in Theban. I mean, it's, and just because you get one, doesn't mean you're going to get the rest.

• 2:24:39AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:24:40Speaker 02

  They're all different. And, but we've done so many of these and of course, Don has a lot of experience. Um, we've been able to figure them out. So.

• 2:24:50AJ Gentile?

  You've been able to figure out the cipher phrases?

• 2:24:52Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. And we're going to do one.

• 2:24:54AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  We're going to do one. Okay. So flash forward now to last June. I'm at the cosmic summit, speaking, literally giving a lecture. Don calls me, but I was speaking, so I had my phone off. I didn't know. I get off the stage. Oh, Don. I get alone, I go, Don, McMaster's died. What? I thought, I thought he and Bill didn't get along. Well, apparently they got along. And in July, he drove down to New Jersey to meet with the executor of his estate and he gave him two things. This.

• 2:25:35AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 2:25:37AJ Gentile?

  So McMasters was holding out. Robert didn't have everything.

• 2:25:42Speaker 02

  What do you see?

• 2:25:44AJ Gentile?

  I see characters and then Roman date.

• 2:25:49Speaker 02

  And you see what at the bottom? That's CLY sigla.

• 2:25:53AJ Gentile?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:25:54Speaker 02

  And that's a pseudonym, by the way. Clifus Lucineus Jarbo. But every scribe throughout the tradition took on the same name. Because what they're doing is updating the Templar records and their treasure maps. Gee, if you're the scribe for the Templars and you're doing their treasure maps, do you think maybe some people might want to talk to you?

• 2:26:16AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I'd use a different name.

• 2:26:17Speaker 02

  Use a different name. But they use the same name throughout time.

• 2:26:21AJ Gentile?

  But shouldn't the Templars want-

• 2:26:22Speaker 02

  The 23rd.

• 2:26:24AJ Gentile?

  Shouldn't Templars want to copy this again? And pass this down? Isn't that part of the-

• 2:26:29Speaker 02

  This is the last-

• 2:26:30AJ Gentile?

  This is it?

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  This was the la- It says in another message, this is the last time. Last done in 1908. And that's when this guy was around and that's- Everything, the papers, all seem to fit. Although this stuff is more modern. And you'll see why in a sec.

• 2:26:46AJ Gentile?

  Why would it be the last time? Is a mission complete?

• 2:26:51Speaker 02

  You want me to be totally honest?

• 2:26:52AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:26:53Speaker 02

  I think that they knew what was coming. They understood procession. They knew shit was gonna hit the fan.

• 2:27:01AJ Gentile?

  It's all happening at once.

• 2:27:03Speaker 02

  It's all happening right now.

• 2:27:04AJ Gentile?

  It's happening right now.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  And I, you know, I don't want to get too over the top. But this is a big deal. What's happening right now in the world. Everything that's happening, it's like it's, everything's spinning backwards. But as we talked about, you know, after the storm comes the light. If you get through the storm.

• 2:27:30AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:27:31Speaker 02

  So-

• 2:27:33Speaker 02

  What you and I are doing right now, and what Tim is doing, and a lot of our other people that are of like mind and like goals, right? And when I say to people is, "I want to make the world a better place." And I've been saying this for a long time, not just for you and me, but our children and our grandchildren and the ones we'll never meet. We've had a wonderful upbringing. This is an amazing world. It's a beautiful world. And people are wonderful. You're a great dude, man. I'm having a ball.

• 2:28:09AJ Gentile?

  Me too.

• 2:28:11Speaker 02

  But I want my kids to experience that. I want my grandkids. So we gotta get the job done here. Right now, it's...

• 2:28:21AJ Gentile?

  I agree. I worry about what my son's kids are gonna live through.

• 2:28:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, it's time for us to raise our swords.

• 2:28:28AJ Gentile?

  Yes, it is.

• 2:28:29Speaker 02

  And go to battle.

• 2:28:30AJ Gentile?

  I agree.

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  And this is our sword right here. So, here's what this one says. "In Theban, due to increasing storms, the order thinks the scroll is not safe now. We move to the mainland. Trees cut, stumps remain, moss covered." In Roman Numbers 1933. Now Sherlock here initially thought increasing storms meant weather. I'd been to where this place is, obviously, and I thought, gee, that'd take a lot of rain for the water to go up.

• 2:29:15Speaker 02

  And then all of a sudden, and Jerry Lupkin said, "Scott, I think it's a metaphor."

• 2:29:19AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:20Speaker 02

  And I'm like, "Oh, shit." Hello? Events leading up to World War II.

• 2:29:25AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:29:26Speaker 02

  The Nazis.

• 2:29:27AJ Gentile?

  So moved from where? Where were these artifacts?

• 2:29:29Speaker 02

  On an island.

• 2:29:30AJ Gentile?

  Were they, is it Oak Island?

• 2:29:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:29:33AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  In a lake in the Adirondacks.

• 2:29:35AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:29:36Speaker 02

  Way to hell. There, to this day, no roads, no cabins, no houses, no nothing. So, in 1934, there was supposed to be a meeting of all the extant Templar orders that still existed in Europe. And it was called the Council of Fedusi.

• 2:29:56Speaker 02

  And what they were gonna do is figure out what they were gonna do with the secrets that they were holding. Now, Tim may have told you this, but the Nazis were not just rounding up Jews and gays and people they didn't like, they were also rounding up Freemasons. Because in Freemasonry, as you go through, you're being vetted and you might be invited to other orders depending on certain things. I know that because it's happened to me. So if you round up all of the Freemasons, you're gonna get Templars too. And they probably would be interrogated and tortured and give up information.

• 2:30:35AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, Hitler wanted all this stuff.

• 2:30:37Speaker 02

  He wanted all of it, and you know that he was fascinated with the Templars, with the Grail, but he was interested in what they knew. One of those things was technology, like the Bell Project, anti-gravity.

• 2:30:49AJ Gentile?

  De Glaucay, yes.

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  He got that from the Templars.

• 2:30:52AJ Gentile?

  That's a Templar, from the Templars?

• 2:30:53Speaker 02

  It's a Templar secret.

• 2:30:54AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, that supposedly comes from the Manas back in ancient times, could be Atlantean technology.

• 2:31:01Speaker 02

  I would put my money there.

• 2:31:03AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:04Speaker 02

  Definitely. So the Council never happened, so a lot of those orders that survived fled to the United States and hid their stuff over here, including the Yeshua Scroll. Now, the next part says, Captain Marshawn repackages and re-buries the scroll. And then he says some more stuff, I forget now. 1953.

• 2:31:35AJ Gentile?

  Fifty, okay.

• 2:31:37Speaker 02

  CLY the 23rd. So this, this is, this isn't a family thing, this is whoever the document reproducer was is a tradition that was passed on. And the Cistercians and the Templars had scriptoriums in their monasteries, and they had, they had brothers, all they did was copy and re-copy manuals.

• 2:32:00AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  So this is not, this is expected, this isn't, wow, that's cool, this is expected. So. On the back, though, is another invisible message.

• 2:32:11AJ Gentile?

  There is?

• 2:32:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Where's your, where's your light? Oh, there it is.

• 2:32:16AJ Gentile?

  There is.

• 2:32:17Speaker 02

  Can you read it? I know it's hard to read.

• 2:32:20AJ Gentile?

  Captain Marchand dies, 1903, exact.

• 2:32:23Speaker 02

  Seventy-three.

• 2:32:24AJ Gentile?

  Seventy-three, exact location of scroll lost to us.

• 2:32:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:32:28AJ Gentile?

  With a hooked X.

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  With a hooked X.

• 2:32:30AJ Gentile?

  There's the hooked X again.

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  So I read this.

• 2:32:32AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 2:32:33Speaker 02

  And I'm like, I'm not wasting my time on this. But I think what happened is if a bad guy got a hold of this. And clearly, they were worried because they moved the scroll, right? Maybe some Nazi spies were coming over? Well, since they mentioned Captain Marchand, we'd like to have a talk with him. Oh, he's dead. Can't talk to him.

• 2:32:56AJ Gentile?

  Scroll's gone.

• 2:32:58Speaker 02

  And maybe we should talk to the, oh, we don't know where it is. It almost turned me off to go look for the scroll.

• 2:33:06AJ Gentile?

  So that's a red herring?

• 2:33:08Speaker 02

  It's a false flag.

• 2:33:09AJ Gentile?

  False flag.

• 2:33:10Speaker 02

  Exactly. It's a red herring. And it almost worked on me. But I, I don't want to be an older man and go, I wish that would have gone.

• 2:33:18AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 2:33:18Speaker 02

  So we went. And McMaster's estate gave Don something else. This map.

• 2:33:32AJ Gentile?

  That map. We'll put these on the screen for everybody, but it looks like two islands.

• 2:33:39Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. So they moved them from these islands.

• 2:33:45AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:33:46Speaker 02

  To the mainland. Now, you see those four dots?

• 2:33:51AJ Gentile?

  I do.

• 2:33:51Speaker 02

  Those are giant glacial boulders that are taller than this table.

• 2:33:56AJ Gentile?

  So you found this place?

• 2:33:59Speaker 02

  Been there.

• 2:33:59AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:34:00Speaker 02

  Yes. We took a float plane in because there's no roads there. And so we rented a float plane. We flew in and this guy brings fishermen in.

• 2:34:09AJ Gentile?

  It says scroll there. Is that buried? Is that the scroll?

• 2:34:15Speaker 02

  That's the scroll.

• 2:34:18Speaker 02

  So if you go back to, that's a whole nother thing. That has to do with the skull, but we digress.

• 2:34:24AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:34:26Speaker 02

  So right here, it says 320 degrees, 138 feet. And from this right boulder, it says 138 feet with what kinda looks like that.

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  So we go there and I pull out my compass. And those four glacial boulders are sitting right on the edge of the shore. I stand in front of the one. I set my compass to 320 degrees. Paste off 138 feet. Got the metal detector out. Ding ding ding.

• 2:34:59AJ Gentile?

  You're kidding me.

• 2:35:00Speaker 02

  Dug it up. There's a little aluminum vessel for camping, cooking.

• 2:35:04AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  When you're camping. Garbage. But you know, when you have your compass, you could be off by a couple of degrees. And even at 30, 138 feet, you could be off by tens of feet.

• 2:35:15AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  So we just went in an arc, moved up a little bit, kind of on the top of this little hill. Ding ding ding, got another hit. 1950s era Coke can.

• 2:35:27AJ Gentile?

  Are you killing me?

• 2:35:29Speaker 02

  Moved over a little bit more. Ding ding ding ding ding. The first thing I pulled out was a 10 inch long aluminum nail. And I'm like, this isn't trash.

• 2:35:41AJ Gentile?

  Uh-uh.

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  Maybe somebody dropped it. Or maybe not.

• 2:35:47Speaker 02

  Ding ding ding ding, it's still binging. And now we're right up against a stump that had been cut, covered with moss. And it was old because I could just tear it apart with my hands. So I started digging.

• 2:36:00AJ Gentile?

  Did you connect this with the message at this point? The moss covered stumps?

• 2:36:03Speaker 02

  Well, of course.

• 2:36:04AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:36:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 2:36:06AJ Gentile?

  When were you up there?

• 2:36:07Speaker 02

  Uh, August.

• 2:36:08AJ Gentile?

  So this just happened?

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  This just happened. So I'm digging and my friends kept, you know, dinging like this. And all of a sudden I reach in under, literally going under the stump.

• 2:36:27Speaker 02

  And I pull this out. And I'm standing here like this, and there was a, there was a metal can on top. And I'm like, no way. But my heart was saying, way. Mm-hmm. And it was filled with sand. Inside the jar? In the jar, totally filled with sand. But I could see, I was moving it like this, and I was, I could see little black things in there. They looked like coins. The top, when you took the tin top off, or the metal top off, this was covered in wax, sealed with wax. The, okay. Because there was paper inside. Sure.

• 2:37:09Speaker 02

  And so I took that aluminum nail and I, I knocked off. And then I poured the sand and what I thought were coins and this long scroll, which was wrapped in this beautiful orange designer placemat. It had a little design on it and a signature. We tracked it down. It was a designer napkin made by an artist in the East Coast that did beautiful work. We found that exact same placemat. Was made between 1950 and 1957, 1953.

• 2:37:53Speaker 02

  Right. This prune juice jar was made by a company that started making these in the 1940s. That works. Yep. The paper we're about to show you was 1880s from Wausau, Wisconsin. Everything fit. So, we unwrap the paper. Careful. And the first thing we get is this. Now, these are copies.

• 2:38:24AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, this is, this is wow, this is Italian.

• 2:38:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the first thing we saw.

• 2:38:30AJ Gentile?

  Il poteri sono dentro la gloria di Dio splendente. So I can translate this.

• 2:38:35Speaker 02

  And it says.

• 2:38:36AJ Gentile?

  It says, "The power, the power of the glorious God is within us and with, and with other people."

• 2:38:44Speaker 02

  Yes. Basically, what it's saying is that the power of God is within all of us. And surrounds you and other people. The way I look at that, you know, you go to concert?

• 2:39:00Speaker 02

  And you're vibing?

• 2:39:01AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, the energy.

• 2:39:02Speaker 02

  And the energy, or you have a really good conversation with somebody that you just hit it off with, right? That's that energy that they're talking about.

• 2:39:12AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, that's a real thing.

• 2:39:13Speaker 02

  It's a real thing. And everybody can identify when they have a magic moment with other people, right?

• 2:39:20AJ Gentile?

  And this makes me think of narcissism as well.

• 2:39:23Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:39:24AJ Gentile?

  The power of God is within you.

• 2:39:25Speaker 02

  So what's below there?

• 2:39:27AJ Gentile?

  This is some type of formula?

• 2:39:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:32AJ Gentile?

  I don't recognize it.

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  I don't recognize it either, but other people do. And basically, it has to do with quantum physics.

• 2:39:39AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 2:39:42AJ Gentile?

  Do you know more about that?

• 2:39:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but um, I think we want to get to the best part.

• 2:39:47AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, we do.

• 2:39:48Speaker 02

  This is a whole nother deal.

• 2:39:50AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:51Speaker 02

  This collective is crazy. So then we opened it up and we got six pages.

• 2:40:02Speaker 02

  Well, three pages with stuff on each side.

• 2:40:05AJ Gentile?

  These came out of the green jar?

• 2:40:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:07AJ Gentile?

  Are these actual size?

• 2:40:08Speaker 02

  Actual size.

• 2:40:10AJ Gentile?

  So just grids of characters and numbers?

• 2:40:15AJ Gentile?

  I think you said this is scripto continua, meaning just one long line of text.

• 2:40:19Speaker 02

  There's some areas that give us a little bit of help, but it's basically scripto continua.

• 2:40:24AJ Gentile?

  So the cryptography nerds will know what that is and this, uh, the cipher phrase would be a visionary cipher.

• 2:40:31Speaker 02

  I just, I want you to hold this piece right here. Okay?

• 2:40:37AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:40:38Speaker 02

  Because after we found this, of course, the first thing we did is drive right down to Don. Don had gotten in a car accident at the end of May and broke his shoulder and he was messed up. He couldn't go with us. So the first thing I did was I made copies of this and I gave it to him. And then we went to the hotel and we started deciphering. We didn't leave the hotel for two days.

• 2:41:01AJ Gentile?

  How did you know how to decipher this?

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  It took, it took time.

• 2:41:04AJ Gentile?

  I bet.

• 2:41:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:41:06AJ Gentile?

  Uh, this is on the last will and testament?

• 2:41:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Isn't that weird?

• 2:41:09AJ Gentile?

  That's weird.

• 2:41:10Speaker 02

  I don't know what that is, but that's what it says.

• 2:41:13AJ Gentile?

  Everything means something to me.

• 2:41:15Speaker 02

  Yes. Well, as it should. Okay. So the first eight lines, there's that number again.

• 2:41:23AJ Gentile?

  Hmm. How many columns are there? Three, six, nine, 12, 15, 17?

• 2:41:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. So here's what that, and this is just one-to-one letter substitution. This one was easy. I did this one in 45 minutes. This is what it says. "The 325-year compilation of new, of old and new writings is not the infallible word of God, but the fallible compilation of the Roman Catholic Church to support their doctrine."

• 2:41:59AJ Gentile?

  Oh my goodness.

• 2:42:05Speaker 02

  That is the most succinct and perfect way to sum up the Council on Isia.

• 2:42:11AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, it is.

• 2:42:13Speaker 02

  It's beautiful. That's, we got that right away. And so you know what we did then?

• 2:42:21AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 2:42:22Speaker 02

  Tightened the seat belts.

• 2:42:23AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, that's-

• 2:42:25Speaker 02

  That's heavy.

• 2:42:26AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:27Speaker 02

  The next part, which is six lines of strange characters.

• 2:42:31AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:42:32Speaker 02

  Okay, that alphabet we've seen before, but this was slightly modified. Same characters with additions, but we recognize that we were able to figure it out. Says this. Translated from the original Aramaic by Brother Simon for the, the Poor Knights of Christ.

• 2:42:54AJ Gentile?

  The Templars.

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  That's what they used to be called before they were called the Templars. Now, I got all hung up on the, the Poor Knights of Christ, the two the, what the hell's the the?

• 2:43:07AJ Gentile?

  Right, what is that?

• 2:43:09Speaker 02

  Well, guess who figured it out?

• 2:43:10AJ Gentile?

  Janet, probably.

• 2:43:12Speaker 02

  Don.

• 2:43:14Speaker 02

  Usually it's the goddess, right?

• 2:43:15AJ Gentile?

  It usually is.

• 2:43:16Speaker 02

  It was Don. He goes, "It's a tell!" And then I went, "Oh, my God." The first the is telling you. The rest is the cipher.

• 2:43:27AJ Gentile?

  Holy shit!

• 2:43:28Speaker 02

  The Poor Knights of Christ is the cipher.

• 2:43:31AJ Gentile?

  That's the cipher phrase.

• 2:43:35AJ Gentile?

  Hollywood's gonna want a word with you.

• 2:43:37Speaker 02

  Guess how many letters are in that cipher phrase?

• 2:43:40AJ Gentile?

  How many?

• 2:43:41Speaker 02

  How many bones in your skull again?

• 2:43:43AJ Gentile?

  What did we say? Twenty?

• 2:43:45Speaker 02

  Two.

• 2:43:45AJ Gentile?

  Twenty-two.

• 2:43:48Speaker 02

  None of this is coincidence.

• 2:43:49AJ Gentile?

  No, it's not.

• 2:43:51Speaker 02

  The next part.

• 2:43:53Speaker 02

  Which is, uh, in numbers.

• 2:43:56AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:43:57Speaker 02

  Encrypted by Brother Leonidas for the Order of the Grail, 1897.

• 2:44:06Speaker 02

  So, let me tell you one thing we did not talk about on the Kensington Runestone. Remember I talked about the codes? I told you about the dating code.

• 2:44:14AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:44:15Speaker 02

  I didn't tell you about the grail code.

• 2:44:16AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 2:44:18Speaker 02

  The first four letters, remember I did that microscopic work and I put them in the folder?

• 2:44:24AJ Gentile?

  Yes, the, no, mystery runes are...

• 2:44:26Speaker 02

  The first thing was the number eight. The very next thing is the word G in Gottlander. And there's an extra dot in the upper right arm that doesn't belong there, went in the folder. The next letter singled out was the word, was the letter R that had a dot right through the lower right leg. You can't miss it, doesn't belong there, put it in the folder. The next thing was a hooked X that had another hook. Normally the hooked X has a little hook in the upper right arm.

• 2:45:02AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:45:02Speaker 02

  This one had a hook on the lower left leg, put it in the folder. By the way, the hooked X is being used on the Kensington room stone for the letter A. And it looks remarkably like the Hebrew, a stone, straight line stonemason's version of the Hebrew olive.

• 2:45:22AJ Gentile?

  The letter A.

• 2:45:23Speaker 02

  Which is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet. It's being used for the letter A within the Kensington inscription.

• 2:45:29AJ Gentile?

  So we've got G R A in the folder.

• 2:45:33Speaker 02

  Remember that funny L?

• 2:45:35AJ Gentile?

  Oh no, you're kidding me.

• 2:45:37Speaker 02

  Well, there's another one.

• 2:45:38AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:45:39Speaker 02

  That has, the one I talked about, which is the dating code in Escler, Sinclair.

• 2:45:46AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:45:47Speaker 02

  That, that goes all the way across on both of the vertical lines. But there's another one just before that, an L that has a little mark on one side. Put that in the folder. What do we have?

• 2:46:01AJ Gentile?

  G R A L.

• 2:46:02Speaker 02

  Which in medieval old Swedish is grail, that grail. Could this be the same order?

• 2:46:10AJ Gentile?

  It has to be, it's too many things line up.

• 2:46:14Speaker 02

  I'm liking it.

• 2:46:15AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:15Speaker 02

  And you know what? I'm going with it.

• 2:46:16AJ Gentile?

  I think you have to, it's, everything just lines up.

• 2:46:19Speaker 02

  This is too much. Okay, let's, okay, now we're gonna get into the meat and then we're gonna get to the finale. So, the rest of this is numbers that go on for that page, the next page on the other side.

• 2:46:37AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  This page and that page, all the way to here.

• 2:46:43AJ Gentile?

  Why do we have spaces here? Do those mean something?

• 2:46:46Speaker 02

  Well, just in the beginning.

• 2:46:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:46:48Speaker 02

  And I think maybe they were trying to help, I don't know.

• 2:46:50AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:46:50Speaker 02

  But it goes all the way to here, okay? But I don't want you to see this yet.

• 2:46:54AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:46:56Speaker 02

  And I'm just gonna read it.

• 2:47:00Speaker 02

  MF.

• 2:47:03AJ Gentile?

  MF.

• 2:47:05Speaker 02

  That's what it says, MF. Equals MG.

• 2:47:11AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  You can do it.

• 2:47:13AJ Gentile?

  MF equals MG.

• 2:47:18Speaker 02

  It's an acronym.

• 2:47:19AJ Gentile?

  Male, female?

• 2:47:21Speaker 02

  Close.

• 2:47:23Speaker 02

  My...

• 2:47:25Speaker 02

  Father.

• 2:47:26AJ Gentile?

  My father.

• 2:47:28Speaker 02

  My...

• 2:47:28AJ Gentile?

  My goddess? Oh, my god, my father, my god, or goddess.

• 2:47:33Speaker 02

  We, you know what? I, why, why couldn't it be the goddess? We assumed, see, this is what you gotta be careful of, is assuming. You just said goddess, but we said my god. Let's see, okay, let's keep going. So MF, my father, equals MG, so it's either my god or my goddess. Father, Genesis, chapter one, "Let us make man in our own image." Genesis, chapter one, plus three, five, sixteen. "Let us make man in our image, in the image of God, made he him. To make more, he needed a female, so Eve. They made Cain and Abel. Cain slew Abel, and MF

• 2:48:19Speaker 02

  put his mark on him, IHN."

• 2:48:24AJ Gentile?

  What's IHN?

• 2:48:25Speaker 02

  In his name?

• 2:48:26AJ Gentile?

  In his name, right.

• 2:48:27Speaker 02

  That's what we think.

• 2:48:29Speaker 02

  "And banished him to Nod, so none there would kill him. But if Adam, Eve, Cain are the only people, who is in Nod?"

• 2:48:41AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:48:45Speaker 02

  Hello? How can they be the first people?

• 2:48:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:48:49Speaker 02

  They got banished to a city that's got people.

• 2:48:53Speaker 02

  Know this. Then they were not the first people, but the first Jews.

• 2:49:03Speaker 02

  Chapter 6, 5, 2. Chapter 6, 5, 2. It says it twice, I don't know why. "And the sons of MF saw the daughters of men, and found them pleasing in their sight, and came and knew them. And they settled in the land of Nod, where Cain was sent. So their children enjoyed life for its pleasures, both male-female, male-male, and female-female."

• 2:49:34AJ Gentile?

  Oh my.

• 2:49:37Speaker 02

  "This does not procreate, or honor MF, so he destroyed them all.

• 2:49:48Speaker 02

  But flood nor fire succeeded. Thus, the sons and daughters of natural man filled the earth. Yet nowhere did they mate with a Jew till Elizabeth." So let's back up.

• 2:50:08Speaker 02

  I take this as homosexuality is okay.

• 2:50:10AJ Gentile?

  That's, that's what I read.

• 2:50:13Speaker 02

  I've always thought that.

• 2:50:17Speaker 02

  None of my goddamn business what happens in people's bedrooms.

• 2:50:20AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 2:50:23AJ Gentile?

  But this is a problem.

• 2:50:25Speaker 02

  Well, or is it?

• 2:50:27AJ Gentile?

  It's not for me, but it's a problem for the church.

• 2:50:30Speaker 02

  Well, they might have to rethink that.

• 2:50:33AJ Gentile?

  Good luck with that.

• 2:50:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 2:50:38Speaker 02

  Gets better.

• 2:50:40Speaker 02

  Till Elizabeth, who I think is referring to the mother of John.

• 2:50:48Speaker 02

  The Baptist.

• 2:50:49AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:50:51Speaker 02

  "This does not procreate, ah, the sons and daughters of natural man filled the earth. Nowhere did they mate with a Jew till Elizabeth." Who's "they"?

• 2:51:02AJ Gentile?

  Who's "they"?

• 2:51:06Speaker 02

  Seeing it work in six weeks.

• 2:51:11Speaker 02

  Showing signs of being pregnant.

• 2:51:12AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:51:14Speaker 02

  "The angel Anton came and knew my mother."

• 2:51:23Speaker 02

  What's happening here?

• 2:51:24AJ Gentile?

  What is going on here?

• 2:51:25Speaker 02

  You tell me.

• 2:51:26AJ Gentile?

  You tell me.

• 2:51:27Speaker 02

  No, you tell me.

• 2:51:28AJ Gentile?

  The angel Anton.

• 2:51:32Speaker 02

  "Knew my mother." Who's talking?

• 2:51:34AJ Gentile?

  Holy shit, is this an autobiography? Is this Yeshua's autobiography in the first person?

• 2:51:43Speaker 02

  Well, if you're not sure now, you're gonna be.

• 2:51:46AJ Gentile?

  Okay, I watch my language.

• 2:51:50Speaker 02

  No. You can say whatever you want. It's your show.

• 2:51:56Speaker 02

  "But Yon and I chose MF. Then know this: Adam and Eve could read or write, thus the tree of life was not a tree, but a book that spoke.

• 2:52:11Speaker 02

  The fruit chapters numbered one, two, three, etc. So MF looked like man, except for intelligence, hence the book to store it all.

• 2:52:25Speaker 02

  MF and his wife Asherah called Wisdom, who was referred to as Wisdom in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, who calls down the silver beast. Her name was Wisdom. She's right here again.

• 2:52:42Speaker 02

  Rebuked his brother for having led Eve to open the book and send him out of earth to Arcturus."

• 2:52:51AJ Gentile?

  To Arcturus, the star.

• 2:52:57AJ Gentile?

  What is Yeshua on about?

• 2:52:58Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, man. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

• 2:53:02AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:53:02Speaker 02

  This is what it says. And I can say this. We got this right. This isn't some screw up. And when this is published, and I'm gonna publish this. You can decipher it for yourself. If you need help, I'll help you. It's not easy. Frickin' hard. But this is what it says. "But he returns when called, for many follow him here, what of the serpent?

• 2:53:31Speaker 02

  Natural female mated with my uncle and got the creature with legs that crawled from the waters, and over time came to be natural man, strong and large of stature, worshiping its ancestor."

• 2:53:46AJ Gentile?

  This is Jesus talking about evolution.

• 2:53:51Speaker 02

  "A fork in the road became the snake. Another natural man and woman. So if you follow me, whether you turn right or left, you will hear a voice behind you saying, 'This is the way. Walk in it.'"

• 2:54:15Speaker 02

  That's what it says. There's a lot to unpack there.

• 2:54:19AJ Gentile?

  There is.

• 2:54:20Speaker 02

  And I don't think we're gonna do all that today.

• 2:54:22AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 2:54:23Speaker 02

  But I want you to look at something.

• 2:54:25AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:28Speaker 02

  This is the end of, uh, right here.

• 2:54:31AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  See the numbers?

• 2:54:33AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:54:34Speaker 02

  There's something in English right here, the last line. What does it say?

• 2:54:38AJ Gentile?

  "As I am allowed to say."

• 2:54:40Speaker 02

  Boom! Nobody gets it that fast. Good job!

• 2:54:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:54:49AJ Gentile?

  Is that Yeshua saying that?

• 2:54:52AJ Gentile?

  And, and who would not permit him to say?

• 2:54:54Speaker 02

  Okay, well, we'll answer that question right now.

• 2:54:59Speaker 02

  Another notch. This is gonna get real now, brother. Okay. So this is the message. Okay. So now, look at that page. Yep. And turn it a long way, yep. Now, you see these letters? How many of these are on that page? How many letters? No, rows of letters, or lines of letters. Six. No, no. This is one, two, three, four, Four, five. Six. Six. Okay. Now flip it over,

• 2:55:36Speaker 02

  and count the lines. Six plus... Six plus... Just go right down.

• 2:55:47Speaker 02

  Seventeen? Plus six. No, it's twenty-two. I didn't count the blank line. No, you don't count the blank line. The blank line, it's twenty-two? Twenty-two. Okay. So remember the cipher phrase? Yeah. Okay. So what you do is this. You set up a grid system, which I did. I did this part. And you just put the power of God, or the poor knights of Christ. The power of God is within you is another one from other messages. The poor knights of Christ. Then what you do is you start with the letter A.

• 2:56:22Speaker 02

  No A in that. No B in that.

• 2:56:26Speaker 02

  C, Christ. You take this first row of letters, right here. Yep. You go to the C, and you put it this way. These letters, that are horizontal, you put this way. Then you go to D, and you go to E, the. And you pull the next line. You put that under the E, the first D. The next line, if there's a... You follow me? I do. You go all the way through the alphabet. Yes, it's a shift cipher. And then all twenty-two lines fill in. And then you read it this way.

• 2:56:56Speaker 02

  That's how you do it. This is what that says.

• 2:57:06Speaker 02

  I not entirely human.

• 2:57:10AJ Gentile?

  Oh my goodness.

• 2:57:13AJ Gentile?

  That's what that says?

• 2:57:17AJ Gentile?

  I not entirely human. Oh my goodness.

• 2:57:21Speaker 02

  Well, didn't he kind of allude to that before?

• 2:57:24AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, he did.

• 2:57:25Speaker 02

  Haven't we been kind of prepped on this with these frickin' messages for the last several years?

• 2:57:31AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:35AJ Gentile?

  He's from Octurus.

• 2:57:38Speaker 02

  I'm not saying-

• 2:57:39AJ Gentile?

  You're just reading the message.

• 2:57:40Speaker 02

  I'm just reading the message. "I not entirely human. A rupture of the small intestines was not enough to kill me.

• 2:57:51Speaker 02

  I slowed my breath and was declared dead.

• 2:57:57Speaker 02

  My cousin of my father's side had me rest in the family tomb." Boom!

• 2:58:06AJ Gentile?

  Until Easter, I guess?

• 2:58:08Speaker 02

  Telpiat.

• 2:58:09AJ Gentile?

  Telpiat, the family tomb.

• 2:58:10Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:58:12AJ Gentile?

  And is the rupture of the intestine the spear of destiny?

• 2:58:14Speaker 02

  Gotta be.

• 2:58:15AJ Gentile?

  On the cross?

• 2:58:16Speaker 02

  And, you know, it's right there.

• 2:58:17AJ Gentile?

  It's right there.

• 2:58:18Speaker 02

  The intestines come way up.

• 2:58:20AJ Gentile?

  So he didn't die on the cross, he slowed his breath.

• 2:58:23Speaker 02

  Remember, he's not entirely human.

• 2:58:25AJ Gentile?

  That's what he said.

• 2:58:27Speaker 02

  I'm not saying.

• 2:58:28AJ Gentile?

  He said it. I'm not gonna argue with him.

• 2:58:31Speaker 02

  I'm sure, now that I know he's alien, I'm not aiming to for sure not argue with him. "My cousin of my father's, Earthfather's side had me rest in the Earth's fathers." So, okay. "Had me rest in the family, in his family tomb. I healed myself and my wife came and freed me."

• 2:58:56AJ Gentile?

  Mary Magdalene.

• 2:58:58Speaker 02

  Who was there?

• 2:58:59AJ Gentile?

  She was there-

• 2:59:00Speaker 02

  When he leaves the tomb.

• 2:59:01AJ Gentile?

  At the resurrection, yeah.

• 2:59:05Speaker 02

  "We traveled to the north and preached a joint religion of male and female."

• 2:59:19Speaker 02

  You know where the north is?

• 2:59:21AJ Gentile?

  Where?

• 2:59:21Speaker 02

  Scotland.

• 2:59:23AJ Gentile?

  That's where they preached.

• 2:59:24Speaker 02

  Went to France first and then to Scotland, beyond Hadrian's Wall, to the Isle of Iona.

• 2:59:31AJ Gentile?

  And there are local legends.

• 2:59:32Speaker 02

  All kinds of them.

• 2:59:33AJ Gentile?

  Talking about Jesus.

• 2:59:34Speaker 02

  I've been there. Um, yeah.

• 2:59:40Speaker 02

  "We bore two children,

• 2:59:43Speaker 02

  Judah and Sarah. We know their names. Returned to Jerusalem. And finally I ascended to my Father. My body returned to my cousin's family tomb."

• 3:00:03Speaker 02

  I was doing a happy dance when I read that.

• 3:00:04AJ Gentile?

  I know.

• 3:00:06Speaker 02

  "My spirit will return at the end of the sixth day, June 6, by the new counting, 2,999, at 6:00 PM. So said my Father.

• 3:00:26Speaker 02

  But beware, 6/6/26, at 6:00 PM."

• 3:00:35AJ Gentile?

  This June?

• 3:00:38AJ Gentile?

  He...

• 3:00:40Speaker 02

  I'm just reading it.

• 3:00:45Speaker 02

  That's my interpretation.

• 3:00:46AJ Gentile?

  Well, Council of Nicaea would have rearranged the calendar by now, by when this was written, yes? So he would know those dates. Would he?

• 3:00:57Speaker 02

  6/6, June 6, of this year. Now you know why I said to you earlier, there's an urgency here.

• 3:01:05AJ Gentile?

  Yeah. And the other year, is that Hebrew year?

• 3:01:10Speaker 02

  "By the new counting." I interpret that to be...

• 3:01:15AJ Gentile?

  They're renumbering.

• 3:01:16Speaker 02

  900 years from now.

• 3:01:18AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 3:01:19Speaker 02

  2,999, at 6:00 PM.

• 3:01:25Speaker 02

  Also, be not fooled by the false prophet, spelled P-R-O-F-I-T. We checked it. And his clone, who will rise on the third day after his death. Clone?

• 3:01:43AJ Gentile?

  Clone? Shouldn't know what that word even is. I know, we're just reading it.

• 3:01:53Speaker 02

  Know this, "In the beginning was the word, and that word was God. There was none before Him, there was none after Him." The word is eternal.

• 3:02:09AJ Gentile?

  And that concludes the scroll?

• 3:02:11Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 3:02:14AJ Gentile?

  What do you think this means for us?

• 3:02:17Speaker 02

  I think it's talking about right now. And I think 6626 is right now. The question is, look, I mean, this is incredible, okay? Because what's happening? It's like this backwards spinning is spinning faster and faster every day, literally every day. And what is the date? It's almost March 1st. March, April, May, June. That's a little over three months from now.

• 3:02:47AJ Gentile?

  And what does he think is gonna happen? I can't, you can't have a thing-

• 3:02:51Speaker 02

  Well, he says is beware, but beware.

• 3:02:53AJ Gentile?

  Well, you can't help but connect that to 666 even.

• 3:02:57Speaker 02

  Well, here's something that's interesting. What's 6 plus 6?

• 3:03:04AJ Gentile?

  12.

• 3:03:05Speaker 02

  Plus 6 PM. 18.

• 3:03:10AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:03:11Speaker 02

  Plus 6.

• 3:03:12AJ Gentile?

  Back to 24 again.

• 3:03:14Speaker 02

  Plus 2.

• 3:03:15AJ Gentile?

  26.

• 3:03:16Speaker 02

  Divide by 2.

• 3:03:18AJ Gentile?

  Then 13 again. So the sacred geometry shows up in this.

• 3:03:23AJ Gentile?

  As well.

• 3:03:28Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm at a loss.

• 3:03:30AJ Gentile?

  So.

• 3:03:30Speaker 02

  AJ, I, I, I mean, I'm just blown away by this and I, I just think this is why I want to get this out.

• 3:03:37AJ Gentile?

  So if this is real, his descendants walk among us now?

• 3:03:43Speaker 02

  Remember when I told you I was contacted about disclosure?

• 3:03:45AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:49Speaker 02

  Just in a nutshell, this guy called me and told me that he was with the government and the DOD, with NASIC, the National Air and Space Investigative Center.

• 3:04:03AJ Gentile?

  Well, that, that intelligence center.

• 3:04:06Speaker 02

  Intelligence Center.

• 3:04:09Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 3:04:10AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, their logo is a sphinx with a, with the, with the star.

• 3:04:14Speaker 02

  I think that's right, yeah. This is about six, seven, eight years ago.

• 3:04:20Speaker 02

  Anyway, he said, and I said, why are you calling me? And he said, well, you know, you have a platform and you seem to be credible and, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I, I said, well, how do I know you are who you say you are? So we went through that process and he actually came and stayed with us three times.

• 3:04:39Speaker 02

  And then, uh, once he convinced me that he was who he said he was, at least in my mind, then I was given materials to read and online stuff and.

• 3:04:52AJ Gentile?

  Talking points to say?

• 3:04:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, we went through and came up with talking points and, but as this was happening, there was other stuff happening. Um, like the 20th anniversary of working at the Pentagon after nine 11. And the guy that I worked with, who was in charge of the whole thing, Alan Kilshimer, was having a 20-year gathering of everybody that worked at the Pentagon. And I was invited and I was getting ready to go. And as we got closer and closer, our friend, who went by the name of Holden, which I knew was not his real name, and that's fine, I didn't really care.

• 3:05:34Speaker 02

  Um, he and I were getting to know each other and we would talk about things. And he told me about his personal life, like his being recruited on, basically read out of high school, because he was a smart guy. And he started off with the government doing boots-on-the-ground stuff. Going after human traffickers is what he told me. And then when he was about thirty, as I recall, he said that he was in one mission and they were going after a bunch of kids and one of the guys that was holding them had a bomb and blew himself up. And he was on the other side of the wall and he got hurt bad.

• 3:06:16Speaker 02

  To the point where he could no longer do boots-on-the-ground stuff that obviously he was very proud of and he enjoyed. So they gave him a desk job. And this was his desk job. He had demons. And it was quite obvious. And actually, he and Jerry got into it one time.

• 3:06:37AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 3:06:38Speaker 02

  We had Jerry over for a dinner one time. And it got ugly.

• 3:06:43AJ Gentile?

  What happened?

• 3:06:44Speaker 02

  Well, what he was doing was he was telling me that what I saw at the Pentagon and my close friends that were the first guy in the building, a structural engineer that was one of my best customers and one of my best friends, Leo Titus, who went in the building before the search and rescue and the dogs went in to make sure the building was safe so they wouldn't get killed.

• 3:07:07AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 3:07:09Speaker 02

  And I have all of his photos. And he tried to tell me it wasn't what it was. And he fucking pissed me off. And this is three weeks before the anniversary.

• 3:07:19AJ Gentile?

  Well, what was he saying it was and what wasn't?

• 3:07:21Speaker 02

  He was saying it was a missile. When there are people that are no longer with us. There were bodies that were found blown out of the building. Pictures that Leo took. He was there for seven days. Once he was, he was there forty minutes after the impact. We talked about it when we got together at the reunion. So I almost punched him out. Ask Janet, she'll tell you what happened. So we had a falling out. He was trying to manipulate me.

• 3:07:57AJ Gentile?

  Yes, he was.

• 3:07:59Speaker 02

  And I said, "Fuck you."

• 3:08:01AJ Gentile?

  Good for you. Because I don't, I don't- Trust this disclosure narrative that's being pushed on us now.

• 3:08:05Speaker 02

  Well, and that the last time I talked to him was probably three years ago. So this went on for about four years. But that, you know, that didn't turn me off to the ET thing. And then all of a sudden, right as he's going out the door, this comes in the door.

• 3:08:25AJ Gentile?

  This is wild.

• 3:08:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, this has been my journey. This has been our journey. And, um, yeah, I mean, you know, the thing is, is that I, um, I, I, I don't, you know, I, there have been days when I, you know, I'll talk to Janet and close friends and say, the hell's going on, you know? What, what is, why, why me? And, um, I like to think that part of it is because I work my ass off. I never quit and I want to solve the mystery.

• 3:09:02AJ Gentile?

  Absolutely.

• 3:09:03Speaker 02

  And get to the bottom, because that's what I do. I never thought I would go here.

• 3:09:08AJ Gentile?

  No, this is incredible. Is there anything that we didn't cover today that you want to get into?

• 3:09:15Speaker 02

  I don't know. I, there's a lot more, but I, I, I think, I think it's time for a beer. How about you?

• 3:09:23AJ Gentile?

  I agree. So, uh, the book is The Greatest Tale Never Told?

• 3:09:29Speaker 02

  Greatest Templar Tale Never Told, The Sinclair Weems' Journals. And I just want to say it's not, it's not one of my magic writing that people are buying this book. It's the journals. They speak for themselves. And when you read it, I mean, the letters I've gotten back from people, they blow through it in like two days. They're said, I couldn't put it down. This is an amazing story and the truth of the matter is what all of this is really about at the end of the day is the true founding of this country. And as a Freemason and as a Knights Templar who knows the truth, to see what's happening today.

• 3:10:11Speaker 02

  Beyond Discuss Me. And here we are, 250 years. We're supposed to be celebrating this.

• 3:10:21Speaker 02

  But we got that. That's another reason why I'm working my ass off.

• 3:10:25AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, we gotta get through that.

• 3:10:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Are you on the squad?

• 3:10:29AJ Gentile?

  I'm on. I've been on.

• 3:10:33Speaker 02

  And then, one day, we're gonna do it like this.

• 3:10:35AJ Gentile?

  One day. The Grip. Scott Walter, thank you so much for coming in.

• 3:10:39Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me.

• 3:10:41AJ Gentile?

  Okay, that's a lot to process. Scott Walter took us on a journey that started with concrete forensics and ended with ancient alien encounters. So, let me break down what we can actually verify here. Scott's credentials are solid. Licensed professional geologist. He runs a successful materials forensic laboratory. He worked on the Pentagon after 9/11, and this is all documented. The Las Vegas murder case he described, that happened. Tom Honahan was a real Las Vegas homicide detective, and Scott's concrete dating techniques have been used in multiple forensic investigations. As for the big claims, the Kensington Rune Stone has been controversial since 1898. Scott's geological weathering analysis, published in 2000, said the way minerals degrade is

• 3:11:26AJ Gentile?

  proof of age. But Swedish archaeologists and runologists at Uppsala University disputed these findings in 2004. The academic consensus remains that it's a 19th century creation. But it's hard to deny all the connections that Scott talked about. The Tapiatum is real. It was discovered in 1980 in Jerusalem. It contains ossuaries with names, including Jesus, Mary, and James, and others. And DNA testing was conducted by Carney Matheson at Lakewood University in 2007. But, as critics note, there's no baseline Jesus DNA to compare against. So it could be him, but we don't know. Most biblical archaeologists reject any connection to the historical Jesus. Now, here's what I keep coming back to, though.

• 3:12:10AJ Gentile?

  Scott's progression is fascinating. Respected scientist finds anomalous evidence, gets pushed back from academia, digs deeper, finds more anomalous evidence, and keeps following it where it leads. Now, whether you believe his conclusions or not, the man is following the data as he sees it, from concrete to ruins to Templars to alien contact. If this is a hoax, it's the greatest hoax ever conceived. There are so many details to keep track of, and somehow, all the pieces line up. But if this is not a hoax, there were missing something fundamental about the history of the human race. Now, if you want to dig deeper into some of these topics, I covered Knights Templar and their quest for Atlantis. I covered the Ark of the Covenant technology. I also have an episode about the Megalithic Yard that Scott mentioned.

• 3:12:54AJ Gentile?

  There's links below. Scott Walter, forensic geologist turned cosmic historian. His new book is The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told. And honestly, whether it's fact or fiction, oh, it's a good story. Until next time, be safe, be kind, and know that you are appreciated.

• 3:13:27Speaker 02

  I played Bolivia's scenario fifty-one. A secret code inside the bible said I was. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as well as music. So I'm singing like I should. But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth, my friends. And it never ends, no it never ends.

• 3:14:05Speaker 02

  I fear the crap cat and I got stuck inside mail's hole with them kale trucks. I'm being only too aware. Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone on a film set?

• 3:14:19Speaker 05

  Were the shadows before them? The Rockwell aliens just fought the smiling man, I'm told. And his name was Cold. And I can't believe, I'm dancing with the fish. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2. And one more zombie beat all through the night.

• 3:14:46Speaker 05

  All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So one more zombie beat all through the night.

• 3:15:11Speaker 05

  The Mothman sightings and the solar stones still come. To have got the secret city underground. Mysterious number stations, planets circle to Project Stargate. And what the dark watchers found. In a simulation, don't you worry though. The Black Knight satellite has told me so. I can't believe, I'm dancing with the fish. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2. And one more zombie beat all through the night.

• 3:15:52Speaker 05

  All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So one more zombie beat all through the night. Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2. And one more zombie beat all through the night. All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So one more zombie beat all through the night.

• 3:16:34Speaker 05

  Girlie love to dance on the dance floor. Because she is a camel. And camels love to dance when the feeling is right on wasting time. Girlie love to dance. Girlie love to dance.

• 3:17:05Speaker 05

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