Noah Centineo

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I auditioned for Timothy Chalamet's role in Interstellar.

• 0:03Josh Horowitz?

  Stop.

• 0:04Speaker 00

  And ruined it. I did it so bad. I had, there were some, you know, Manchester by the Sea.

• 0:12Josh Horowitz?

  Lucas Hadj's role, yeah.

• 0:13Speaker 00

  Uh huh, uh huh. Uh, butchered it.

• 0:19Josh Horowitz?

  What's the opposite of killed it?

• 0:21Speaker 00

  Butchered it.

• 0:21Josh Horowitz?

  Butchered it, dude. Carnage.

• 0:24Speaker 02

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

• 0:32Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Today on the show, we have Noah Centineo in the house. Of course, he hit it big with The Fosters and To All the Boys I've Loved Before, but now he's absolutely killing it with his new film, Union County. He's got the Gundam movie, the Jon Rambo movie, and the Street Fighter movie, and we cover it all on this episode. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out Happy Sad Confused. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, on whatever platform you're using. You know what to do. And remember, if you like what I do, if you want to support Happy Sad Confused, check out our Patreon. We do make it worth your while by giving you early access to every single episode and bonus materials, autographed merch, access to our live events, and so much more.

• 1:18Josh Horowitz?

  Patreon.com/happysadconfused. This is a really fun conversation with Noah. He's a first time guest on the pod. Been circling him for a number of years, thanks to, you know, my work at MTV. Of course, we covered the To All the Boys I've Loved Before movies, which were so huge and really kind of put him on the map after The Fosters, I would say. But this guy's killing it lately. And look at his upcoming slate of movies. You'll see, he's really balancing out kind of the indie world with the major blockbusters very, very well. If you didn't see him, by the way, in Warfare last year, put that on your list. An amazing ensemble of actors, many of which have done the podcast, including Kit Connor and Will Poulter, and now Noah. And then in this new movie that we talk about today, that he was here for, Union County, kind of continues that realm.

• 2:04Josh Horowitz?

  Like, this is an indie film, very small film, him and Will, telling the story of a real community in Ohio facing, you know, the opiate addiction and the cyclical nature of addiction and recovery. And it's done in a very, I don't know, very smart and attentive way to this community and done in a fascinating way. So we talk about that, but we also have a lot of laughs in this conversation because Noah is kind of, while a very serious actor, also an absurd human being, and I mean that in the nicest possible way, he's just very fun to talk to and has a great sense of humor and great chat and like some really interesting teases about the upcoming films, which I'm very, very excited about, including this Jon Rambo movie, which he is front and center. It's a Rambo prequel, the Street Fighter movie, which looks insane, and this Gundam movie, which I, no one's seen anything for, but he just wrapped with Sydney Sweeney.

• 2:55Josh Horowitz?

  Lots of teases of all that, some great audition stories, including an Interstellar audition that went horribly wrong. That and much, much more on this edition of Happy Sad Confused. So without further ado, here is me and the one and only Noah Centineo. Enjoy. Noah Centineo, we're off and running. We're doing it.

• 3:13Speaker 00

  We're moving.

• 3:13Josh Horowitz?

  What's happening?

• 3:14Speaker 00

  We're doing it. The thing is being done.

• 3:15Josh Horowitz?

  It's being done. Noah, you're on the podcast for the very first time.

• 3:20Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 3:20Josh Horowitz?

  Keep those feet to kind of, you're not swimming. What are you doing?

• 3:22Speaker 00

  I'm doing the happy feet dance.

• 3:26Josh Horowitz?

  I'm so happy to have you here, man.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  Oh, man. Thank you for having me.

• 3:29Josh Horowitz?

  I feel like we've circled each other a little bit over the years, but we've never really had the whole thing.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:33Josh Horowitz?

  It's happening.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  It's true. It's true. I think we were talking about it. We met potentially at like an MTV movie.

• 3:38Josh Horowitz?

  As great friendships begin. That's always how it happens.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  When I spoke in Old English or whatever.

• 3:43Josh Horowitz?

  You are, you give a great awards speech. You, we'll get to that.

• 3:46Speaker 00

  We'll get to that.

• 3:47Josh Horowitz?

  First, first of all, I bring greetings from your bestie, Rachel Zegler.

• 3:51Speaker 00

  Ah, were you, when were you with?

• 3:53Josh Horowitz?

  I was just texting with her because I know you guys are close.

• 3:55Speaker 00

  We are. We're very close.

• 3:56Josh Horowitz?

  And she's the best.

• 3:58Speaker 00

  She's the best, yeah.

• 4:00Josh Horowitz?

  So where do you guys go back to? Because you haven't worked together as far as I know.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  No, no, yeah, we've never, we've never actually been on camera together, at least not like in like, I think.

• 4:08Josh Horowitz?

  There are photos of you two together.

• 4:10Speaker 00

  That's true. There are photos of us together. We've never worked together, you know. We met back when I was shooting Black Adam in Atlanta. She was doing Shazam.

• 4:19Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  And we met at Zach Levi's house.

• 4:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  And, and we just like got along. She like, I got, what is it? What is the expression? Like a house on fire? Yeah. And she just became precious to me and it's just, she's the sweetest, most talented person that, that I really know. I mean, it's actually insane, her ability.

• 4:42Josh Horowitz?

  I know.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  She really is one of the most talented like artists on the planet. Not just her emotional capacity, but like her vocal strength and capacity, her acting ability, like the fact that she can dance and like with Evita.

• 4:56Josh Horowitz?

  I can't wait to see it. Did you see it yet? I mean, I saw, I missed the one, but she'll be here soon.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  I know. I'm definitely coming on here.

• 5:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  So yeah, I'm just in awe of her and like love her and support her.

• 5:06Josh Horowitz?

  Have you ever sung with her?

• 5:08Speaker 00

  Not well.

• 5:09Josh Horowitz?

  But you've given it a go? Has there been a karaoke night? Has there been a?

• 5:13Speaker 00

  There was a time in Atlanta, when I was in Atlanta, where I had like a guitar and an amp. So I would just sit there and just like noodle around and she would like sing.

• 5:21Josh Horowitz?

  Oh God, then you're like, oh, that's not fair.

• 5:23Speaker 00

  You know, like maybe we, maybe we tried to sing together, but, but no, I'm nowhere near as qualified.

• 5:30Josh Horowitz?

  What, what is your musical theater background? What are your chops? Like, did you do a lot of that growing up?

• 5:35Speaker 00

  No, no, nil. Almost none. Uh, I went to a performing arts middle school.

• 5:41Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 5:43Speaker 00

  Uh, when I was 10 and 11, auditioned to get in. It was called BACH, Middle School of the Arts in South Florida. Shout out BACH. Um, and yeah, you audition, you become a theater major. They either let you in or they don't. They prep you for the high school of the arts called Dreyfus. Um, prep you really for any other high school of the arts. Um, and, and they had electives that you could take to be in musical theater, and I just didn't take.

• 6:10Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 6:11Speaker 00

  So I literally, none.

• 6:13Josh Horowitz?

  Pass.

• 6:14Speaker 00

  I did hip hop dance classes.

• 6:16Josh Horowitz?

  There you go.

• 6:17Speaker 00

  In LA when I moved there because my agent was like, everyone does dance classes.

• 6:21Josh Horowitz?

  Just for the Step Up 7 that's going to come around the corner. You never know.

• 6:25Speaker 00

  You never know. I was 15 and, and they were like, you have to go to Millennium and you have to go to Movement Lifestyle. You have to go, you gotta dance with Will the Beast and Kyle Haragami and Ian, uh, God, what was that guy's name? Ian Westwood or something?

• 6:38Josh Horowitz?

  What do those skills, do you still have the skills? Like, when have those been exhibited lately?

• 6:42Speaker 00

  I mean, in the club, if I'm like throwing it back.

• 6:44Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 6:46Speaker 00

  I mean, I could never.

• 6:47Josh Horowitz?

  Never. Is there an, like, but is there an interest in singing on camera? Like?

• 6:53Speaker 00

  Absolutely. And so it's cool that you asked that. I don't even know how we got here. It's so cool though. That's like.

• 6:59Josh Horowitz?

  We're off and running. It's happening.

• 7:00Speaker 00

  We're, we're doing the thing, trying to.

• 7:02Josh Horowitz?

  Remember doing the thing. Yeah.

• 7:04Speaker 00

  Um, I'd love to. I'd love to. I've always said to, over the last decade, I've said, you know, I'd like to do an animated film, singing or something, cool character, or, um, yeah, like do some sort of Gene Kelly type, you know, figure out if I could dance and sing at the same time. I don't know if I can.

• 7:22Josh Horowitz?

  You could do it. You could do it.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  I would do it with Rachel. Rachel, if there's an opportunity for us to do it together, we should do it.

• 7:29Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you can do a lot. We've seen it already on screen and that segues well into the film that brings you here, which congratulations, man. This is a small film, but like, this is like a worthy, worthy subject and you guys really poured your hearts and souls into this. I'm sure you and Will Poulter, Union County is the film. Um, and you know, all jokes aside, like this is serious subject matter. This is like the nature of what you shot here. I can only imagine how special an experience it was. Um, and just give me a sense of like where you were at of like how this one comes around and what's the, I mean, exciting almost diminishes it, but what's like tantalizing about this kind of experience for you?

• 8:07Speaker 00

  Absolutely. I mean, and forgive me, you know, Will and Adam are both, Adam Meeks is the writer-director, Will Poulter's the star of the film. They're far more articulate about all of this than I am, but I'm going to, I'm going to try my damnedest and best. Um, first and foremost, I think independent films are, are not only freeing and fun and, and kind of get to be more edgy. I think they're necessary.

• 8:38Speaker 00

  Because they're not beholden to, um, this, this need to make profit off of, off of the subject matter, right? Um, and so when you're making films for sub $5 million or sub two or sub one even sometimes, um, you know, you really are just making a piece of art, hopefully that's going to resonate for a very specific community. And if it, if it then goes wider than that, you know, phenomenal.

• 9:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  And so I'm always looking for those things, uh, to kind of fuel, not just the art, but there's purpose in that and there's fulfillment in that. I think not just for me as a producer and actor, but for the communities that deserve to be amplified. Speaking of finding Union County, um, reading the script that Adam Meeks wrote and watching his short film, Union County, same title, just short, um, it became very, very clear to me that.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  It became clear to me that this is a director that I want to work with.

• 9:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 9:45Speaker 00

  But the reason is, what I think is super important is you find people that are way smarter than you. Uh, that know a lot about something that have done a lot of the, the legwork, all the legwork. And then you just support them. If you like what somebody's trying to say, trying to do, you should just support them.

• 10:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 10:03Speaker 00

  Um, and oftentimes that's how mountains are moved. So when talking to Adam and seeing his passion, uh, his compassion, um, and his, his like desire to uplift this community, tell this community stories with them, not just extracting the information and pumping it to the world, but, but embedding with the community, gaining their trust and making a movie with the community. I just went, I gotta be a part of this.

• 10:31Josh Horowitz?

  So like, and to give folks some context, like this isn't just lip service. Like I'm, I know a little bit of how you made this, but I want to hear a little bit more because when you say like part of the community, like you're acting around with the community with, these are real people.

• 10:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, yes.

• 10:46Josh Horowitz?

  And this is dealing with the cycle of addiction and recovery and the opiate epidemic. And in again, a real community that's, that's faced these hardships and these people that have faced this life. And I can only imagine for you as an actor, you know, you never want to portray any BS. But like, when you're next to the people,

• 11:09Josh Horowitz?

  it must feel like more than a responsibility, just like they're going to see me if I'm at all false. Like I have to be real.

• 11:14Speaker 00

  A hundred percent, a hundred percent. It's, um, so Union County is about,

• 11:21Speaker 00

  uh, a court ordered drug rehabilitation program in Union County, Ohio. Uh, and it follows Cody Parsons, who is a, um, a young man who has just gotten out of jail. That is a qualifier for this court ordered drug program. Um, the mandate for the program is you stay clean, you get a job and you, you know, have a, a suitable living circumstance. If you stay clean, keep showing up to your job, go to your meetings and continue to pay your rent. Uh, that they can help. Sometimes you do, uh, after I believe 18 months, you'll graduate out of the program.

• 12:00Speaker 00

  You won't need to spend your time in jail. You know, it's a way of, of, it's another option instead of just serving time in jail.

• 12:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 00

  Uh, and it's for drug related crimes.

• 12:13Speaker 00

  And so Adam Meeks, our writer and filmmaker, uh, it was so important to him because he was introduced to the former judge that ran this program and to Annette Deo, who, uh, is one of the instructors of the program. She's like a complete angel and she actually plays herself in the movie. So she's this representative that, um, kind of runs the program and takes all the participants under her wing. And that keeps them accounted for and keeps them accountable to the mandate of the program.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  And Adam, uh, besides a handful of us, maybe five of us as actors, everyone else in the movie is in the program.

• 12:55Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  That was the most long-winded way of saying.

• 12:57Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, no, it's, but it's important to give them context for like how it's done.

• 13:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:01Josh Horowitz?

  And you go through this experience with your buddy Will, who I want to talk about Warfare at some point too, because that's an amazing piece of work. And going through that experience with him and having him by your side of this must be a huge, I don't know, relief. You know, you can rely on him. I know him a bit. He's on the pod. He's like a sweet, as sweet as they come.

• 13:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:22Josh Horowitz?

  Um, so talk to me about kind of like having him by your side and, and does that help kind of go through this kind of intense experience?

• 13:27Speaker 00

  Absolutely. I think so. You know, um, he, I mean, Will is just such a, a, a warm, supportive, highly intelligent, caring, deeply caring individual. Um, he's an artist that understands the responsibility of stepping into a community and doing right by that community. Um, you know, and, and, and of course we work together. So we, we managed to develop quite a close relationship on Warfare, like many of us did on that film.

• 13:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 13:58Speaker 00

  And we all kind of just gelled. So to be able to kind of walk into something is, is, um, heavy and, and, and like, uh, I guess real as Union County, uh, with him certainly alleviated some of the pressure, just to know that there's someone else in there. Something that I'll say about Union County too, you mentioned it in the question before about the pressures of portraying characters within the community or while, you know, they're around you in the room with you. So we have multiple scenes that are, uh, that take place in, in the drug court.

• 14:30Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  And I'd like to just kind of highlight how Adam Meeks decided to do that. So court day is Monday for all the participants in the program. When we were shooting those scenes, those court scenes in the movie, we shot on Mondays during their court hearings. So anyone in the program that did not want to be on camera for the film would, would go in first. They'd have their, their court hearings and then they would leave. And once they were finished, the rest of us would come in. So everyone else in the courtroom, besides Will and I, were not actors. They were having their court day.

• 15:09Speaker 00

  And so we would sit there and we would, we would be experiencing of these very real moments. And then out of nowhere, the judge would call our name up, Cody Parsons, Jack Parsons, and it would be our turn. And we'd be on camera and we'd be doing a scene. And you're literally surrounded with people that's lives are changing moment to moment on that day.

• 15:31Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 15:32Speaker 00

  And it's on camera. And then you're going up and you're representing them in a way that's going to be put out to the world. So there was this, and in some ways it actually made it a lot easier. Cause the, the reality is around you the entire time you're subsumed within it. And, and then in some ways there was, there was a bit of pressure.

• 15:53Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 15:54Speaker 00

  Too, you know, but, um, it was great. More Happy, Say Confused coming up.

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• 17:50Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, I'm curious, like, you know, I alluded to all the stuff that's going on for you and we're going to hit upon all of it. But like, something like this, like an experience like this, how much of it, you know, you've been acting for a while now. But are you still like proving something to yourself? You feel like what you can do as much as you're proving it to others? Like what's more, whose validation are you kind of like seeking right now? Is it your own or an external validation you think right now?

• 18:17Speaker 00

  Um, God.

• 18:23Speaker 00

  I think, I think I

• 18:27Speaker 00

  I find that chasing external validation often leads you nowhere.

• 18:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  And it's just you become a black hole. Doesn't matter how much affirmation, how much validation you get. You just need more and more if it comes from outside of yourself. That being said, I'm not, you know, immune to seeking that and wanting that. Um, I think that I also, there's this thing about vulnerability is that, that I need as an actor. Um, that I feel like I'm so afraid of touching and getting close to. Um, because it, it hurts and it's super uncomfortable and, um, frankly, it sucks. You know, and which is troublesome as an actor.

• 19:10Josh Horowitz?

  Right. Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 00

  Um, and so I think there's a, there's a huge piece of me that wants to prove like, no, you can rip yourself open and you can be, not to say that Union County, I, you know, I, I do that because that movie wasn't, it really wasn't about me at all. It really is about amplifying the community.

• 19:28Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  Um, and the program showing people that there are solutions and things that work that in existence. But for me as the actor, I think I am trying to prove a lot to myself, but I'm still kind of just trying to do the thing. Where I wake up in the morning and I go, I like what I'm doing with my life.

• 19:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  You know, there's purpose in it in some way. And I think that's the thing that I'm trying to do.

• 19:54Josh Horowitz?

  You're doing the thing.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Thanks.

• 19:56Josh Horowitz?

  We, we talked about the themes of this film and like addiction and sobriety and, and relapse and all that. And you look, you were, you've been very frank in talking in the past about some of your own kind of dealings with that. And you kind of went the other way at a very pivotal age where you decided to go sober for a year as you're about to turn 21. It's not the way people usually do it. They usually go, they type deeper and you, you took a step back.

• 20:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, totally.

• 20:24Josh Horowitz?

  But like, and I don't want to put words in your mouth on whatever you're comfortable talking about, obviously, but like, you talked about kind of like at that pivotal age, like you were kind of not in a great place and you kind of had to kind of find your bearings. Is that safe to say?

• 20:36Speaker 00

  100%. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, I'm, I'm so fortunate that I had the, I, I, I do think it's just lucky. I, I was able to recognize what was happening to me in my life and the patterns of destruction that I just continue to fortify and partake and participate in. Um, that I went, I think I'm at a crossroads. I think if I don't figure this out and stop now, it's going to get way worse. Um, I believe that I was right, you know, and, and, but I also had an overwhelming amount of support

• 21:21Speaker 00

  and love from a community and my parents and my, my sister and, um, and these are things, these are in access to resources, right? That, that make it a hell of a lot easier to recognize when things are going wrong. Um, so, so I come from a very, it was difficult for me and it was my experience and, and I'm still reckoning with that, you know, with, with in my own ways in my own life, but it also quite privileged way to, you know.

• 21:54Josh Horowitz?

  That there's a way out, that you have the resources to help you on the way.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  That I can even identify it.

• 21:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. And this, this came like ironically, or not so ironically, you know, it's not always tied to other things, but like, you were having success. You're on the Fosters then, like you're kind of like finding like the real, like the career you'd sought for so long.

• 22:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then you start.

• 22:14Josh Horowitz?

  And then is, did it feel like it was tied to that? Like you didn't, you were, you were too young and didn't have the tools to know like how to handle success at that time?

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Definitely. I mean, I mean, like handling fame and success in its own right is, uh, is, is kind of, it's a difficult, uh, filter on life to navigate, I suppose. You know, like people know who you are. You don't know who they are. And people kind of start to idolize or put you on this pedestal. And if you're not careful, you'll believe it.

• 22:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 22:45Speaker 00

  You know, especially being on sets where you have A Ds and people that are at your, your beck and call and I need a coffee. So can we get, and they call you sir and yes, of course. And they're so sweet to you. And they, they treat you like royalty. And so if you do that as a kid that can really start to incept this idea, you might actually start believing that there's a hierarchy.

• 23:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 23:03Speaker 00

  Um, now that being said, I think I, before I was on the Fosters, I was, uh, I was just a valley kid, you know? It's like auditioning and hanging out with friends and smoking a lot of weed and partying and, and I wasn't really doing hard drugs quite yet. Um, I, I started to dabble right around the time, right after I booked the Fosters, but it wasn't really be, because of anything outside of like, I was, I was in a relationship with someone when I was 18. They were a little older and they were doing it, you know? And I was like, oh yeah, that's.

• 23:39Josh Horowitz?

  This is part of the lives, this is our lifestyle together.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  Fun. You're doing it. You're cool. I'm like, I think I love you. Like, you know, like, and the show gave me a sense of comfort and I thought that I had a buffer because I was making enough money to like support that lifestyle.

• 23:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Um, you know, and it's just by the time I turned 21, I woke up one morning and there's a different guy looking outside of my head than the day before. And that scared me and I went, I think I need to.

• 24:11Josh Horowitz?

  How, how are you finding balance now in terms of just like, cause success is still coming and there are big moments that you want to celebrate and you're at a stage where like, now you know, there are consequences. You know, you know what that can lead to.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  100%. I mean, right, right now, man, you know, the last year and a half has been phenomenal. Just, you know, I'm

• 24:35Speaker 00

  I've been working nonstop, you know, I was able to do, um, six films, three Indies and three kind of bigger films in the last year and a half or so. Um, and I, when I'm working, I try to be really, really on the like the straight and narrow, you know? Um, there's a huge responsibility on these projects and, and I, I take them seriously. My problem is if I have like a couple of days or weeks between the projects where I go home and I'm with my family and I'm like, I want to drink, you know, a bottle of wine with my sister and my mom, or I want to drink whiskey with my dad and like, you know? That's when I end up like blowing out because I've been so regimented, you know?

• 25:20Josh Horowitz?

  And you feel you've earned it in a way. Like I just, I was so good for three months. I nailed it.

• 25:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:25Josh Horowitz?

  I can, I can fuck around a little bit.

• 25:27Speaker 00

  Around and have a good time. And then like I, you know, I end up hurting myself or I end up, you know, just like, you know, feeling terrible or whatever it is. And I think, I don't know, for me, the balance right now is, is, um, you know, I, I'm, I'm back on the wagon, proverbial wagon. Um, and I think I will be for a while. Um, like I just had an awesome family vacation and we had a week in Tahoe and it was a blowout. You know, like I was like with my family and I was like, ah, I think I'm good. I'm good for a couple of years.

• 26:00Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  And like you said, you know, this is, there's, there's a lot happening right now. And I've worked the last, I mean, 22 years since I started acting, but really with this new strategy for the last four or five years. And I'm finally at a place where, you know, we'll see if any of it works, but, but there have been, there's a lot of seeds that are starting to come to harvest over the next few months. So.

• 26:24Josh Horowitz?

  Totally, totally. And like I've talked to actors that have gone through the ups and downs and to see where you're at right now, like,

• 26:33Josh Horowitz?

  you know, you never know how these things are going to turn out. You had the best intentions, but you're, you're making good choices and it's really impressive that the breadth of the work.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 26:42Josh Horowitz?

  Before we get to all the stuff that's going on, we alluded to a little bit of your background, growing up, like what kind of like pop culture wise, what were you like into as a kid? Like, were you just genre kid, comic books, video game? Like give me a little snapshot of, of young Noah.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  Um, okay. That's sick. I, um,

• 27:01Speaker 00

  South Florida suburbs, um, I played soccer. That was my life. Um, I, I listened to Green Day, uh, Switchfoot, a little bit of Creed, uh, uh, U2. Uh, movies were The Matrix and Step Brothers and, uh, radio.

• 27:24Josh Horowitz?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  And, uh, um, you know, I wouldn't say that like I was like, you know, like cultured. Like I didn't know who Pink Floyd or Prince were, you know, I like wasn't into art.

• 27:36Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 27:36Speaker 00

  Um, but I was just into being outside, you know, I was, I wasn't, I wasn't like a skater kid, but I did have a longboard and I rode it daily, you know, we'd, we'd. My summers consisted of taking the longboard with my best friend, Aaron, and skating, you know, all day long, just around, getting subs from like our local grocery store Publix, getting a Pub Sub. Shout out Pub Subs. And like, you know, some Arizona iced tea.

• 28:07Josh Horowitz?

  Dream day.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  And just like kicking it. We'd go around, there was a lot of sub developments in construction. So we would climb and like, like Urbex, these construction sites. Um, I'd say that was kind of, what, I was into Pokemon. I wasn't a gamer, but I was into Pokemon.

• 28:26Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  That was my game. I loved it. I had the indexes and the encyclopedias and.

• 28:32Josh Horowitz?

  What's the equivalent now, when you're like not in work mode? Does, what are your side pursuits, side obsessions?

• 28:39Speaker 00

  Dude, I'm such like a generic, now I'm such a generic like white guy. Like I fucking love David Foster Wallace.

• 28:46Josh Horowitz?

  It's great.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  I'm reading, uh, Consider, Consider the Lobster, the short stories right now, which I haven't picked him up in a while. I'm reading, uh, I like nonfiction.

• 28:56Josh Horowitz?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:57Speaker 00

  A lot. Um, I'm reading this, anyway, uh, okay. Um, yeah, like I, I guess now, uh, it's interesting to ask, I'm trying to figure out what my hobbies are.

• 29:10Josh Horowitz?

  That's a, that's a warning sign when you don't, when you don't have them.

• 29:13Speaker 00

  You don't have them. And I think, I, I've talked to some of my friends about this. I think that hobbies are slowly being eradicated.

• 29:19Josh Horowitz?

  I don't think I have hobbies either, man.

• 29:21Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying? People don't really, like, I don't have any, like, I, I, they're like, what are your hobbies? And they're, uh, sometimes I read.

• 29:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  Sometimes I watch movies.

• 29:30Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 29:30Speaker 00

  And go to dinner.

• 29:31Josh Horowitz?

  I like to eat a nice meal.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  Nice meal with my friends. I think it's weird, hobbies are, and I'm not gonna hypothesize or, or, you know, put any conjecture out there as to why culturally or systemically that's happening, but I'm noticing that I think people's hobbies are going away.

• 29:47Josh Horowitz?

  I think it's also maybe in our worlds at least, it is a sign hopefully of satisfaction with the work, how much we get out of our work, that our work is our hobby, hopefully. And that, that's kind of a dream for many people that like, the work isn't just work, work is the, is their life and passion. And that's it for me. And I think it, I think it is for you, hopefully.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  I think so. I think, I mean, I love that that's what it is for you, you know, I think.

• 30:13Josh Horowitz?

  That's how I'm justifying it to myself.

• 30:14Speaker 00

  Okay. No, no. I mean, it's, it's, yeah, I think.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  I love what I do, you know, I've, I've committed my whole life to it, literally since I was eight years old. Um, and I, but I, I do think that because of that, I also, like many things, I analyze it. And I look at it as a pathway in life and I wouldn't change it for anything. I recognize how lucky I am to be doing it and, and the work that it's taken and the luck. And the help from other people that it's taken out of the blue to have me be sitting here with you today. But I do look at it and I do question it. I look at the world and I go, I go, is this the, is this the most fulfilling thing, you know? And then you do projects like Union County or Warfare and you go, yeah, no, this is it.

• 31:03Josh Horowitz?

  Well, and you've, you've talked about like how much that was kind of a shift in, in, in your brain too, like realizing, yes, it's the work, but it's also like how much you get out of giving back and kind of like putting something out into the world and the universe. And that can come through art, that can come directly through acting.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  Hundred percent. There's content, there's entertainment, there's art. And I think art, art is something that is fulfilling.

• 31:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 31:27Speaker 00

  Is a catharsis. Content and entertainment is phenomenal. People, people are living their lives and they wanna come home and they wanna veg the fuck out and they wanna laugh. And they wanna watch Drake, you know, give Birkin bags out on kick, you know what I'm saying? Crazy.

• 31:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  I, I think that's phenomenal. That stuff is important, you know? But when it comes to, you know, um, me and what I, I'm trying to figure out, when do I feel the most fulfilled? Which is a luxury to be able to even ask yourself that question. I just try to figure that out. And maybe it's the fact that I have the time to ask myself that question could be just be the problem, right?

• 32:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, most people are just trying to survive, man.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Exactly. Exactly.

• 32:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 32:12Speaker 00

  Which is also probably why hobbies are going away because people are so, you know, are working so hard on just fucking surviving.

• 32:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. All right, let's, let's, let's talk some, some career moments, some career moments. We talked a little bit about, um, Foster's obviously a huge moment. Before that, I've heard you mention, I think somewhere like Teen Wolf auditions. Was that, was that the closest thing to a big break before the Fosters? Did you think you were gonna be Tyler Posey or?

• 32:36Speaker 00

  Oh, brother. Brother.

• 32:42Speaker 00

  I auditioned for Timothy Chalamet's role in Interstellar.

• 32:46Josh Horowitz?

  Stop.

• 32:47Speaker 00

  And ruined it. I did it so bad. I had, there were some, I should, you know, Manchester by the Sea.

• 32:54Josh Horowitz?

  Lucas Hadj's role, yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 00

  Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh, butchered it.

• 33:02Josh Horowitz?

  What's the opposite of killed it?

• 33:03Speaker 00

  Butchered it.

• 33:04Josh Horowitz?

  Butchered it, dude. Fucking carnage. Like walking out of the room, knowing you like.

• 33:08Speaker 00

  No, I, I was like, I was like, what's, what's this casting director's issue? No, no.

• 33:14Josh Horowitz?

  Were, were you in the room with Nolan?

• 33:15Speaker 00

  I was a little shit dude. I went into the room and I was in there.

• 33:17Josh Horowitz?

  This is Manchester or this is?

• 33:19Speaker 00

  Manchester by the Sea, sorry. Manchester, I'll tell you the story for Interstellar if you.

• 33:22Josh Horowitz?

  We're here.

• 33:22Speaker 00

  Hilarious, dumb as hell.

• 33:24Josh Horowitz?

  Can't wait.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  So dumb. Um, sorry, Paps. Um, he probably doesn't even remember. Anyway. Manchester by the Sea, I go in there and they, they said, uh, you know, in the instructions for the audition, you're married to copy. Right? It's Kenneth Lagerman, right? So it's like, he's like, you say the words as they're written.

• 33:41Josh Horowitz?

  This isn't an Adam McKay movie. This isn't like.

• 33:44Speaker 00

  This is an Anchorman dude. It's like, shut up and say the words. This is David Mamet, like 101.

• 33:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 00

  And, uh, I go in there and I'm like, instead of, I, I, I said like you're instead of you are, you know, and casting assistant was like, it's, uh, it's, it's you are. I was like, right, right. Weird. And like, I just didn't, I didn't understand what I was auditioning for. I didn't understand the gravity of it. I didn't understand like by that, that point in my life, dude, I was a valley kid, smoking weed, auditioning.

• 34:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 00

  Like, uh, uh, there was no craft.

• 34:15Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 00

  In it for me, you know, I didn't, I didn't understand the difference between being on Disney Channel and like art. You know, not, not that Disney Channel is not art. It can be, it can be. Cancelled.

• 34:30Speaker 00

  Someone's like, I fucking love it.

• 34:32Josh Horowitz?

  How dare he?

• 34:33Speaker 00

  What is it? The, the, the, the sentence, I love the sentence. Shout out Sophie Carson. Um, so anyway, needless to say, I did not get the role because I didn't know the lines.

• 34:45Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 34:45Speaker 00

  Well enough, so.

• 34:46Josh Horowitz?

  Lesson learned.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  But the Interstellar audition was, I mean, Teen Wolf was hilarious. I auditioned for it so many times and many times I was told that like, oh, you're the favorite. We're highlighting you. We think you're amazing. And then I just never got selected, which is totally a part of the job. You go and audition thousands of times and you don't get it. Um, but the Interstellar audition was, um,

• 35:03Speaker 00

  it was at a compound that had a huge concrete wall around it and a big metal gate that slid open when you called, you hit the buzzer. And, uh, so it's intense. And my, my boy Aviad Bernstein, who's here in New York, I got dinner with him last night. I've known him since I was 15. We grew up auditioning together. We lived in like a garage and were seated together for a while when we were teenagers and, and, uh, so he's my, my day one. And so at this time, he's actually the,

• 35:26Speaker 00

  he's actually, I smoked weed for the first time with him, right? So this is my boy. And at first I was like, how could you do that? Don't do that. And then we started, and anyway, weed's not good. I don't suggest smoking, especially not today. It's not the same shit that they smoked back when Bob Marley was doing it. It used to have 6% THC. Now it has like 45% THC. It's not even the same drug. There's a difference between like taking a sip of beer and then like slamming an entire bottle of vodka. You know, that's the, it's a different thing today, I think. I'm not a doctor, don't take any, you know, whatever. But at the time, Aviad and I were blazing that shit every day, you know what I mean? So, so, but we would wait until after the auditions, but he would come with me to my auditions and I would go to, with him to his audition. So I said, I got an audition. There's a pool inside the compound of this one. You should come with me.

• 36:08Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, no.

• 36:09Speaker 00

  And he's like, I'm in.

• 36:10Josh Horowitz?

  This is, this is a great idea. In the history of ideas, this is the greatest idea.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Greatest idea for Interstellar.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  If I had only known at the time. So I hit the buzzer and I go, hey, no, it's, they're like, yeah, come on in. Huge gate opens, you know what I mean? Aviad would walk in and beautiful pool, pristine pool, pool house with the casting associate in there. Little stairs that go up to this cool little shack where you do your self-tape or you, you do your audition tape. I just, I didn't, I didn't into the thing, you know? And, uh, I'm sitting there and I'm waiting. There's a few other actors that obviously know what they're auditioning for, that are taking it really seriously. And I'm just sitting there goofing off with Aviad. And, uh, I go to the casting associate, I go, I noticed you have towels down there. There's like a whole ledge of towels. I say, is that, are we allowed to swim?

• 37:01Speaker 00

  She goes, well, no one's ever swam before. I said, but I see you have towels. She goes, we do have towels.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  So I'm like, oh yeah, cool, cool, cool. Good to know. Noah? Yeah. Oh, great. So then I go up. I'm like, do the audition. I walk out of there. I'm like, fucking killed it, dude.

• 37:19Josh Horowitz?

  I earned a laugh or two.

• 37:20Speaker 00

  I fucking, yeah, dude, Nolan's, Nolan, Nolan's calling me tomorrow. It's happening. And, um, yeah, I earned a laugh or two. That's exactly what I felt. And I came out, I said, Aviad, let's go. We got, dropped trou, went in our underwear and swam around like fucking idiots.

• 37:35Josh Horowitz?

  Huh.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  And like.

• 37:36Josh Horowitz?

  And you didn't get it. Weird.

• 37:38Speaker 00

  I know. One of the kids that, that was auditioning there became a friend of mine and he told me, he got called next. And he went in there and he fucking was like, this fucking kid who just was in before me totally fucked my process. He went in that pool, this is his name, blah, blah, blah, blah. He told me later that that's what happened and.

• 37:59Josh Horowitz?

  Sold you out.

• 38:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, for good reason. I mean, we were like California girls.

• 38:06Speaker 00

  Supposed to be working over here, you know what I mean? My parents put a lot on the line so that I could have a career and I, you know, I pay them back.

• 38:12Josh Horowitz?

  You were there for the pool party, not the no one experience.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  It's ridiculous, dude.

• 38:16Josh Horowitz?

  So.

• 38:17Speaker 00

  If you were wondering about culture growing up, that's kind of my.

• 38:20Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, you've come a long way.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  I think so.

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• 40:15Josh Horowitz?

  So, so some auditions went better than others. Yeah. To All the Boys, that worked out.

• 40:19Speaker 00

  That worked out. That worked out. I showed up to the To All the Boys audition in slides, socks, basketball shorts, and a shirt or hoodie. And, and tomorrow was like, the casting director was like, when you come back, you have to wear closed-toed shoes. I was like, okay.

• 40:39Speaker 00

  And I was late and I brought, I sent them cupcakes because I was late. I was a mess, dude. I was a mess. I was a mess and I kept showing up, though. That was what I think was this thing is I just kept showing up. Oh my God. Oh my God.

• 40:54Josh Horowitz?

  This is therapy today. You feeling better? You feeling good?

• 40:56Speaker 00

  I feel great.

• 40:57Josh Horowitz?

  So, I mean, I love your, look, there's some people that run away from associations with the thing that gets them here and like, you know, the, the YA of it all. It's like I've moved beyond it, whatever. And like, in some ways, you, you are, you're evolving and you're doing different kinds of things. But like, you go back and you do Exo Kitty and, and Lana does too. And like, I think that that really, I'm sure the fans really, really appreciate that. And this is obviously always going to be a huge moment in your career that you are going to put on pedestal. I mean, just talk to me a little bit about, I don't know why it's important to kind of keep that link with the fans, with the material to go back.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  Arguably, like,

• 41:41Speaker 00

  every step you take in your journey obviously will lead you to where you are, right? So, every step is, I think, arguably as important as the last, even if they're a step back or a step to the side or a step forward. But To All the Boys, I've loved before, without a doubt, is, is one of the central reasons why I'm, I'm able to have an existential crisis if I have one, or like, I can sit here and talk to you, or I have the career that I have. Or I can make independent films like Our Hero Balthazar or Union County. It's because of what that, the film To All the Boys gave me.

• 42:19Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  And, and so I will always, always throw back to it. I'm more than happy when people say, you know, what is happening to Peter Kavinsky? You know, like, or, or I loved you as Peter. Like, I'm like, thank you.

• 42:35Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  Thank you. You gave me my life today, you know? So, I love it. I think it's important. And I love Anna, Anna Cathcart, like, what she does. It's not easy to be the lead of a show and her show is successful and she's killing it. And so, anything I can do to support her, it's, it's, and, and yeah, I don't know, it's, I cherish it.

• 42:54Josh Horowitz?

  Do you think realistically, I mean, look, it's a long life, but like, what's your attitude about ever doing that character with Lana again on screen?

• 43:02Speaker 00

  The fourth one?

• 43:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Or some, whatever, whatever becomes, like,

• 43:06Speaker 00

  Oh, that'd be so cool. Okay. I would, yeah, what? Like, I'm too cool to not, like, I don't know. I think, I would, I would love to, but it, man, you gotta be, you gotta protect it, right? You gotta protect this thing. Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I've, I've like, when I think about it, sometimes I'm like, what if I was, when we're in our 40s, we could like, do something, you know? But, but,

• 43:32Josh Horowitz?

  You do the whole before sunrise, sunset kind of thing, every 10 years, 15?

• 43:36Speaker 00

  I'd say,

• 43:40Speaker 00

  Different movie.

• 43:40Josh Horowitz?

  Different movie.

• 43:41Speaker 00

  That'd be sick. If Jenny, if Jenna, Jenny Han wants to, you know, step in, maybe.

• 43:47Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, more recent years, what, where do you put the Black Adam experience, which like, such a weird one, because like, the movie does, it did pretty well. Like, it had like, you know, it did all right. Those things have to do really well. And it came out of strange, obviously, we all know now, like, that period where it kind of was the transition point.

• 44:06Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 44:06Josh Horowitz?

  Um, experience versus how it turned out. Give me a sense of sort of how you look back at that.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  I mean, I, that movie was, uh, to quote an executive that will remain nameless, that, that movie was, was just barely crawled over the line of profitable.

• 44:25Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  Which is profitable.

• 44:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Speaker 00

  But like you said, those, if you're going to invest $250 million or more, more or less into an IP or franchise, like, it's gotta make money. Unless the studio wants to short it and like, take the, take the loss for some reason, you know? Um, cancel.

• 44:44Josh Horowitz?

  Fuck.

• 44:47Speaker 00

  I don't know any about that stuff. What I do know is, uh, is that making that movie,

• 44:56Speaker 00

  I learned so much about the importance of having a good culture on set on Black Adam. And it was led by Dwayne, and it was also led by Mo Amer. Mo Amer, um, was constantly hosting us for barbecues or hangs at his house or poker. And on set, we were in his trailer. His door was always open. Anyone could go in there and, and, and even Pierce, Pierce was inviting us to come visit him where he was staying and he would show up to our hangs and, um, that movie was, was really, really cool because I got to see

• 45:39Speaker 00

  Hollywood and entertainment at a massive scale still feel like it was a tight-knit community.

• 45:45Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 45:46Speaker 00

  I loved that movie and I loved doing it. And, you know, I think, you know, you can put your, your analysis glasses on to it, you know? And we call it, we all could, you know, to any movie, you know? I'll rip the Odyssey apart from that.

• 46:01Josh Horowitz?

  Let's hear your five-minute rant.

• 46:04Josh Horowitz?

  We already have the pool story with No One. I mean, what are you trying to do yourself?

• 46:08Speaker 00

  First of all, that's not what crossbows look like. Josh is like, it wasn't a crossbow.

• 46:12Josh Horowitz?

  I said what I said. Why did Tom Holland call him dad?

• 46:15Speaker 00

  Why did he say, we have 10 years on this fucking beach, you know? You know, it's, like, shut up.

• 46:21Josh Horowitz?

  Not that podcast. We love Chris Noen around here.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  We do.

• 46:24Josh Horowitz?

  For the record.

• 46:24Speaker 00

  Well, clearly I have an issue with him. I jumped in the pool for Interstellar.

• 46:28Josh Horowitz?

  Self-sabotage sabotage 101 by Noah Centineo.

• 46:32Speaker 00

  Dude, I am so good at that. I will, I'm probably not going to work after like, two years of this. It's so funny. It's okay. We're producing. We're going to do our own projects anyway.

• 46:40Josh Horowitz?

  Are you?

• 46:43Josh Horowitz?

  Was that the one I'm done on the superhero front? You must have gone up for other superhero things.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, I for, I for a moment there, uh, was, was, I guess we can talk about this, was gonna do He-Man.

• 46:54Josh Horowitz?

  Of course.

• 46:55Speaker 00

  There was He-Man before Black Adam.

• 46:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Um, and that didn't, that didn't.

• 46:59Josh Horowitz?

  How do you, so you were attached to that for, for a while. Like, that was like, at least a year or two, I feel like you were going to be the guy. Different directors.

• 47:06Speaker 00

  We were, we were pretty close, dude. Uh, I went through the test process. We screen tested loin cloth and stuff, all of it.

• 47:14Josh Horowitz?

  Somewhere that footage is out there.

• 47:16Speaker 00

  I'm sure it is somewhere. I don't know where it is. Sony has it. Um, maybe they, they probably burned it.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  Somehow, anyway, I signed the contract.

• 47:27Josh Horowitz?

  But is that a strange thing? Like, to, you know, you go through all that, you imagine a life, like, I'm gonna do three He-Man movies.

• 47:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're like showing us, you know, pre-vises, they're showing us kind of the production design, the world building. At the time, it was the Knee Brothers that were gonna do it. Um, shout out Knee Brothers. Um, and, and we got pretty close. And then for, for some, for some reason or another, it just, it, uh, pushed and put, and then I think they just wanted to keep tweaking it and tweaking it. And the contract ran out, you know? Um, and we moved on. And then I think, I think Netflix acquired it for a little bit. And then Amazon acquired it and they found Nick and, God, Nick. I mean, it's so difficult. It's so difficult to step into a role like that, dude. I mean, that's not an easy movie to make at all. And like, I watched it.

• 48:17Josh Horowitz?

  You did?

• 48:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Nick is incredible.

• 48:20Josh Horowitz?

  He leaned in. He was good.

• 48:22Speaker 00

  How else do you do it?

• 48:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you can't.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  People don't understand how hard it is to do camp wholeheartedly. And, and, you know, it's like, if the movie works, the movie doesn't work, oftentimes, especially in that situation, I don't blame him for that.

• 48:35Josh Horowitz?

  A hundred percent.

• 48:36Speaker 00

  I loved what he was doing and what he was trying to do.

• 48:38Josh Horowitz?

  Nice.

• 48:39Speaker 00

  So.

• 48:40Josh Horowitz?

  You got some really cool stuff that, so we mentioned Warfare. I do want to give some props to that because that is a special one. Folks have not seen that movie. It got attention, but not enough because like, I think that's going to stand the test of time. Um, and the whole nature of that, again, in a different way than Union County, a very unique experience.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Those are definitely grouped together.

• 48:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. And that, that literal band of brothers is always going to be there, I think.

• 49:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure.

• 49:03Josh Horowitz?

  Kit showed me his tattoo. You have a tattoo somewhere of the,

• 49:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's here. It's on my, somewhere on my side. See if I can, should I show?

• 49:10Josh Horowitz?

  I think I saw too much.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  Dude, check out my.

• 49:16Speaker 00

  We have it. Mine is here.

• 49:17Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, I trust you. I trust you.

• 49:20Speaker 00

  It's up on my, no.

• 49:21Josh Horowitz?

  The variety of stuff you have coming up, though. Okay. We have the Rambo film.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:27Josh Horowitz?

  We've Gundam.

• 49:29Josh Horowitz?

  Street Fighter.

• 49:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:31Josh Horowitz?

  Am I even leaving other stuff out? That's, I mean, that's plenty. That's more than enough. That's insane. Okay.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  A few Indies.

• 49:36Josh Horowitz?

  Well, let's mention in brief, I'm very curious about the Rambo film, which I'm hearing very good things. It's a little ways off, but you've shot it.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  It's finished.

• 49:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. That's, talk about stepping into big shoes, dude. Needless to say, this is a bit of a prequel of the John Rambo story.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, totally.

• 49:57Josh Horowitz?

  Intense shoot, Thailand.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Jan Marie Helender, our filmmaker, intense dude.

• 50:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  Fucking awesome. I love him. He's dark and he knows what he's doing. He knows exactly what he wants. He's, I think, destined to do a Rambo film. He has been his, his whole life. I mean, he'll tell you, you know, he's... With one of his interviews that he did from his office on Zoom for C C One, behind him was like the First Blood poster.

• 50:31Josh Horowitz?

  So there it is, yeah. So what did you want to bring to this? Like, who's the Rambo we find in this film versus who we found in First Blood?

• 50:41Speaker 00

  What was really important to me and us.

• 50:47Speaker 00

  It's the, it's the last, one of the last scenes in First Blood, when Stallone is with Troutman. And he just breaks down. He's talking about, he can't hold a job. And that he's, he's a war machine. You know, he can fly helicopters, but he can't fucking park cars, you know?

• 51:10Speaker 00

  And then this, the trauma of his friends being all over and being, you know, he doesn't have any legs, right? This is the emotional crux of First Blood. And I just looked at that monologue as our northern star.

• 51:23Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 51:24Speaker 00

  That was North Star. That was, for me, it was important that, over the course of this movie, the audience viscerally understands the pain that Rambo had gone through to become the monster that he is.

• 51:38Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 00

  That we all have come to know and love.

• 51:41Josh Horowitz?

  Have you talked to Stallone? Is there any involvement of?

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Not directly. No, no, no, not yet.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Cause I just, I was, before the movie, I was in Australia. During it, we were in Thailand. And then, like, days after we wrapped Rambo, I was in Australia again for Gundam. And so, I haven't even, and then I came home and then I had a week of family vacation. Now I'm here, you know, so... But I, I fully intend on, on, hopefully, he lives in Florida, I believe, so I want to go and like spend some time with him and talk to him.

• 52:13Josh Horowitz?

  I'm a big Harbor fan, too. I'm glad he's, he's your trial hunt.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  Dude, he's so sick.

• 52:17Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 52:17Speaker 00

  Dude, he's a legend.

• 52:18Josh Horowitz?

  Monster.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  Dude, he's... He's intimidating to work with in the best way.

• 52:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 52:24Speaker 00

  He's just like presence, you know, and, and he drives the train, he drives the ship. He, I love, I mean, I was sitting there. You know, you're acting, it's professional, you're supposed to, you're supposed to hold your own with someone, you know? The same time, you know, I-

• 52:39Josh Horowitz?

  You're watching him, you're like, this is fucking cool.

• 52:41Speaker 00

  Watching him work, dude. Motherfucking boss, dude.

• 52:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, it was cool.

• 52:49Josh Horowitz?

  Let's talk a little Street Fighter briefly, because, I mean, that's a big swing of a movie. Like, that's like, I mean, the trailers show, give a sense, like, what you guys are going for.

• 53:00Speaker 00

  Fucking batshit, isn't it?

• 53:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 53:03Josh Horowitz?

  So, the hair, the kicks, the jumping, I mean, it's a lot going on there.

• 53:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was a lot.

• 53:09Josh Horowitz?

  Did it feel like you're out on a limb in the best possible way? I mean, you're with a crazy company of actors. I don't know if that game means much to you.

• 53:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, but, yeah, I, I grew up playing it. When I was younger, my cousins had the original Street Fighter II Cabinet arcade game.

• 53:27Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 53:27Speaker 00

  So I like locked myself in their basement any time I was at their house and we just all played it.

• 53:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 00

  So yeah, it meant a lot to me, but, but more than that, I think, you know, the trust that I had in legendary and in Kitao Sakurai to, to just kind of filter our insanity and the insanity of the script and the, the, you know, the vibrancy of the entire world. It was really, I just went, I can trust you, I'm trusting you.

• 53:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:59Speaker 00

  I'm gonna come to you with a whole bunch of frickin' ideas.

• 54:02Josh Horowitz?

  Make me look good, right?

• 54:03Speaker 00

  And, well, and, and you just tell me what works and what doesn't work. You know, and I leave that to you. And I think, I think it helps having 50 Cent, you know? Part of the fucking movie is Barog. He's a beast. He got into crazy shape for the movie.

• 54:16Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, cause he had let himself go, right? Yeah, he's already like-

• 54:18Speaker 00

  Totally, yeah. He's just like, shh. We kept joking, we were like, oh, it's, um, he kept saying, oh, thank you for being in my movie.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  Cause he was in Australia for a month. 50 Cent doesn't stay anywhere for a month. There's money on the table, right? He was like, it's money. He could be doing this. He stayed, so he was like, thank you for being in my movie.

• 54:40Josh Horowitz?

  That's amazing.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  You know, so he, he committed, right? He's dedicated, right? And he's pushing it and like, like Cody Rhodes and, and, and, and Roman, you know, or Joe Rains, you know, it's like, two top, biggest wrestlers on, you know, on the planet, both in the movie, both committed, both there for like a month longer, you know?

• 55:03Speaker 00

  It's just Eric Andre being an absolute fucking lunatic on his days.

• 55:08Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, come on, that's-

• 55:09Speaker 00

  Well, it's actually interesting to see, we're, I think we're all starting to see like a little bit more of this, like, this like, pensive-

• 55:17Josh Horowitz?

  Eric Andre's side, yeah.

• 55:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, hypercritical, you know, analyst side of Eric Andre. And I think that's so cool. He says like, you know, I've seen some of his interviews and he's like where he goes, ah, just, it's boring if somebody's like, fucking, it's boring. He's brilliant, though. Like, it's like jazz when watching him work on set. In the same way that you would watch maybe like a three-piece band just play jazz like off the cuff improvising. That's him, dude. Like, he knows his lines and he knows them exactly as they are. But he's just switching letters, words and all of it. And it just comes out and all you can, all you really should do is just figure out how to shoot him and let him go.

• 56:02Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  And then Kitao goes afterward. I mean, they've had plenty of years together. I mean, plenty of experience together. Kitao wrote and directed The Eric Andre Show for many years. So that's, they know each other.

• 56:12Josh Horowitz?

  Have you seen the finished film yet, or? Is it what the trailer promises? The bananas?

• 56:16Speaker 00

  It's so bad.

• 56:21Speaker 00

  It's fucking nuts. I'll say this.

• 56:26Speaker 00

  I'm not gonna troll the fucking movie.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  Should I keep doing it?

• 56:32Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, double down. Skip. Go right to Gundam.

• 56:36Speaker 00

  The publicist is over there being like, what are you gonna say? No, no, no, look. In the same way that we spoke, that anyone can put their critic glasses on and rip anything to shreds, because everything deserves, I think, in some way to get ripped apart and put back together. This movie is so fucking fun and big and you can tell that we had a hell of a time making it. And people will have a hell of a time watching it. And that's what matters. This is a big spectacle, ten-pole, high-octane action film.

• 57:06Josh Horowitz?

  It knows what it is.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  It knows what it is. It comes from a rich source material. And if you're a fan of the game, you, I believe you're gonna recognize the hundreds of Easter eggs and one-liners and signature moves and all the little intricate details that Kitao and we, every single actor researched and worked to make sure that we just crammed, bookended it with these little Easter eggs. Fans are gonna like it. And I, and the reason I say that and I believe that is because when I watched the film, the final product of the film, or like right before they, they've almost finished it, I was shooting Gundam and they sent a link. They sent what's called like a digital key link of the, of the script, of the, of the movie.

• 57:51Speaker 00

  And we went into this little theater on the studio lot that we were filming on. And, and we, a lot of the crew that were working on Gundam also worked on Street Fighter, which was really, really sick. So we got some of the crew to come and and we sat there and there was this dude.

• 58:08Speaker 00

  God, I didn't get his name. I don't remember his name, but he was security. And his whole job, he was hired by Paramount, was to make sure that he like put the digital key in. We watched the movie and when the movie finishes, he erases the key.

• 58:20Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 58:21Speaker 00

  So that you can't, you know, distribute it. So we watched the movie. We go out into the lobby. We're all talking about it. He goes up, he deletes the key. I don't know that's happening. I'm just talking to someone. Next thing I know, this fucking huge dude became a five-year-old and like tackled me into a wall. And he was like, that was so fucking dope, bro. Like, he was so amped.

• 58:48Josh Horowitz?

  It's your first focus group right there.

• 58:50Speaker 00

  And he is the focus group, right? It was like, he grew up breathing this game.

• 58:54Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  And he was over the, over the moon. Now, listen, we're all in the room. Maybe he was being kind, maybe he was being sweet, you never know.

• 59:03Josh Horowitz?

  Excuse me. Good sign.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  He picked up on a lot of this stuff and was over the moon about it. And to be honest, that's why we made the movie.

• 59:11Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  We made a movie for him and anyone that's a fan of the game. And so a fan of the game comes to us and goes, you did it? Thank you for doing it. Which is what he said.

• 59:18Josh Horowitz?

  Mission accomplished.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  Mission accomplished.

• 59:20Josh Horowitz?

  All right, last one I do need to hit before I let you go, is this Gundam movie, which, talk about rich history. I don't know Gundam. I'm not gonna pretend.

• 59:27Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 59:28Josh Horowitz?

  But I know there's a lot there.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:30Josh Horowitz?

  What the hell is this going to be? Like, I have no idea.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  Brother?

• 59:36Josh Horowitz?

  Are you like original characters? Are you part of the Gundam legacy?

• 59:40Speaker 00

  Oh, this is, these are good questions. I don't know what I could say and how much trouble I'll get in. I love it. It's, this Gundam is Sydney Sweeney and a thumb.

• 59:49Josh Horowitz?

  What?

• 59:50Speaker 00

  And a thumb.

• 59:50Josh Horowitz?

  What's the thumb?

• 59:51Speaker 00

  I'm the thumb. People call me a thumb.

• 59:56Speaker 00

  But it's a rom-com between her and this guy. It's, it's, look, there's romance in it. It's a big action, romance, space movie. And it, it, it lives in the Universal Century canon of, of Gundam, for those who know.

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  I don't know how much I can tell you about what characters are in it, if they are, if they're not. But I will say that you can compare it to a little bit of like, you know, a non Shakespearean Romeo and Juliet in space.

• 1:00:31Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, that's what you're going for.

• 1:00:33Speaker 00

  That's, that's what, that's so far the aim.

• 1:00:36Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  But, but listen, we just wrapped it a week and a half ago. And who knows?

• 1:00:42Josh Horowitz?

  Sidney's a force. I'm always impressed by Sidney. She's a smart lady.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  Yo, she's brilliant.

• 1:00:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, she's, she's, she's. Sidney and I actually grew up auditioning together.

• 1:00:52Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, really?

• 1:00:53Speaker 00

  I like, you know, we both.

• 1:00:55Josh Horowitz?

  Same circles.

• 1:00:55Speaker 00

  She was in Toluca and, and we had similar circles of friends and we knew of each other.

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  And, and like had, just had these memories of like being in passing. And so being able to go back to work and be like, dude, how have you been? Euphoria, you know, like she's just had such a, a comet-like career, you know?

• 1:01:18Josh Horowitz?

  Well, she could say the same to you. So you, there's those reference points now.

• 1:01:21Speaker 00

  She's, she's phenomenal. I, I want to do movies over and over and over and over again with her. She, she's lovely. I think she, people love to hate on her on the internet.

• 1:01:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  And, you know, I can say this, like, having done a film and spent months and months and months of my life with her now.

• 1:01:39Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Speaker 00

  Like, they just, they have, they have no idea who she is.

• 1:01:43Josh Horowitz?

  Totally.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  She's great.

• 1:01:44Josh Horowitz?

  No, she's always impressed me in, in my interactions.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  So easy to, for something to happen on the internet and for it to get out of hand. And people handle things good and sometimes they handle things terribly. You know, or they just don't do it right. And it just adds fuel to the fire. And that's, that's totally fair. Now I'm going to get fucking cancer for saying anything somewhat positive about her.

• 1:02:03Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, no. It's going to be the Nolan Poole story. That's going to be the one that takes you down. Don't worry.

• 1:02:07Speaker 00

  That one.

• 1:02:07Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, the Nolan Poole story? Yeah, dude. Ah, it's done. It's done.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  What a way to go out. Nolan, come on, dude.

• 1:02:14Josh Horowitz?

  Most important question for you, Noah.

• 1:02:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Josh Horowitz?

  Have you met Mr. Mark Ruffalo yet?

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  I've not. We've not shared space yet. We haven't had the, the pleasure, not yet. But there's an uptick in comparisons.

• 1:02:26Josh Horowitz?

  Uptick?

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. There was a lot before and now there's like.

• 1:02:29Josh Horowitz?

  It's off, it's through the roof.

• 1:02:31Speaker 00

  It's off the, the hook.

• 1:02:32Josh Horowitz?

  What, how does that manifest? What do you use? Like, is it, are you seeing it on social media, in the wild, like?

• 1:02:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I guess, I guess like, I've seen it in comments and I, people say it to me. They're like, oh, by the way, does anyone tell you that you're mine? Like them. And I'm like, yeah.

• 1:02:48Josh Horowitz?

  You always think, I mean, that's a huge compliment. Yes.

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  I love it, dude. He's a, yeah, of course. Thirteen Going on Thirty is my favorite movie.

• 1:02:57Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, inevitably you will have to. Unfortunately, now his son is acting, so you have competition. You have another.

• 1:03:03Speaker 00

  I could play his son better, dude. I'm telling you.

• 1:03:07Josh Horowitz?

  That's the way to his heart. I'm sure he's going to appreciate that.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  I remember.

• 1:03:10Josh Horowitz?

  Better than your son, at being your son.

• 1:03:12Speaker 00

  Dude, I'm better than your son. Being your son. I'm gonna. This is, this is really just my downfall. No one will ever work with me ever again. No, it's. I remember auditioning for Derek Seinfrance's I Know This Much Is True.

• 1:03:26Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:26Speaker 00

  Um, and I mean, they picked the right actor. That kid is fucking incredible. But, uh, but I just remember, I remember that time and thinking, you know, what a sick project, man. Mark, Mark keeps picking bangers.

• 1:03:44Josh Horowitz?

  Only thing better than one Mark Ruffalo is two Mark Ruffalos. That's what they always say. When are you going to play twins?

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  Who? Me? Me and me? You and me?

• 1:03:52Josh Horowitz?

  You and you and Tom.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  When am I gonna do the, uh, the Michael B. Jordan?

• 1:03:55Josh Horowitz?

  Exactly. The full sinners.

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, but yeah, as said in other interviews, he did play three characters, which is so sick. I don't know. I don't know. Uh, Ryan Coogler.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  We're doing the sequel, baby.

• 1:04:10Josh Horowitz?

  Greenlit.

• 1:04:11Speaker 00

  Angels. What's the opposite of sinners?

• 1:04:15Josh Horowitz?

  Worst idea, worst idea ever. Nope.

• 1:04:17Speaker 00

  Samaritans.

• 1:04:19Josh Horowitz?

  Veto. I have that power. Sorry.

• 1:04:21Speaker 00

  It's a franchise. Didn't you hear about it? That's why they tried to fuck him over and then trades. Because he owns it. Whoa, what? We're pulling back the, we're pulling back the curtain on the, on the.

• 1:04:34Josh Horowitz?

  The, the trade mafia?

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  The trade mafia. Yeah, the, uh, whatever that guy's name that owns all the media.

• 1:04:40Josh Horowitz?

  Penske.

• 1:04:40Speaker 00

  Penske, yeah. See? Josh knows. We, people know about this stuff. They're just, they just don't like talking about it.

• 1:04:49Josh Horowitz?

  We go where others are afraid to go on Happy Side Confused. Okay, we end, we end here. Noah, you ready? Oh, he's doing the happy dance with his feet again.

• 1:04:55Speaker 00

  That was so good. Yeah. You gotta be excited. I'm ready. Okay.

• 1:04:58Josh Horowitz?

  Profoundly random questions. We add in every Happy Side Confused this way. You ready? Coffee up, caffeine up.

• 1:05:05Josh Horowitz?

  Ready?

• 1:05:07Josh Horowitz?

  Don't do a spit take.

• 1:05:09Speaker 00

  Okay, I would, I wouldn't dare. These are nice mics.

• 1:05:11Josh Horowitz?

  Dogs or cats?

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  I have a dog, but cats.

• 1:05:21Josh Horowitz?

  What the hell?

• 1:05:23Speaker 00

  I literally have a dog, but cats. I like cats.

• 1:05:25Josh Horowitz?

  What's wrong with your dog? You hate your dog?

• 1:05:27Speaker 00

  No, no, Joseph. Joseph's great. Joseph Szenteneyo's phenomenal.

• 1:05:30Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, he got.

• 1:05:32Speaker 00

  Named after my grandfather.

• 1:05:33Josh Horowitz?

  Nice. What kind of dog?

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Uh, he's a husky, pit bull, German shepherd, and super mutt. So he's a big mix. He's the best.

• 1:05:39Josh Horowitz?

  I got a pit mix. The best, sweetest.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  So good. But yeah, I also, I grew up with cats and I like, I like cats a lot too.

• 1:05:46Josh Horowitz?

  What do you collect?

• 1:05:49Speaker 00

  Um, what do I, what do I collect? I don't know.

• 1:05:56Josh Horowitz?

  Cancelable comments?

• 1:05:58Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, cancelable, uh, opinions, anecdotes and comments. Um, uh, what do I collect? I guess I collect, I collect books.

• 1:06:08Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 1:06:08Speaker 00

  I actually do collect books. I collect, I mean, I guess technically I, I collect art.

• 1:06:12Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 1:06:12Speaker 00

  Sloan. Sloan's, uh, my latest purchase. He just had, actually he had a gallery here in New York. I got a couple of his pieces. He's a beast.

• 1:06:21Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have a favorite video game of all time?

• 1:06:24Speaker 00

  Age of Empires.

• 1:06:25Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, educate me. I don't know.

• 1:06:27Speaker 00

  Sick. Uh, I don't know any of the vernacular to properly describe it to you.

• 1:06:31Josh Horowitz?

  You sucked, a lot of time has been sucked out of you metaphorically and literally?

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  A lot of time has been sucked. That's for sure. Um, it's considered like, uh, um, a roller coaster typhoon, where you build big amusement parks. But this is you build empires and armies and you have to collect resources and you build like monasteries and then you like, it's a big thing.

• 1:06:50Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Would you, uh, this is the Dakota Johnson memorial question. She asked me this. Ask everybody.

• 1:06:55Speaker 00

  Okay, she asked you to ask everyone this? I love it.

• 1:06:57Josh Horowitz?

  Would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

• 1:07:03Josh Horowitz?

  Stumped you. Finally, we did it.

• 1:07:06Speaker 00

  Why would she ask everyone?

• 1:07:08Josh Horowitz?

  Well, she asked me and it was such a good question. I felt like I had to like further it into the universe.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  Dakota Johnson, freaky.

• 1:07:14Josh Horowitz?

  Darkness.

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  The freaky darkness. Um, I don't want anything up my butt, dude.

• 1:07:20Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so you're going to, you know, mouth.

• 1:07:21Speaker 00

  In the mouth.

• 1:07:22Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  What if you swallow them and they get throat?

• 1:07:25Josh Horowitz?

  Neither is good. That's why it's so good.

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  Question.

• 1:07:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. She should really have my job. Um, what's the, what's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  Um, it's, it's Chino from Deftones.

• 1:07:41Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, lovely. Great. Good pick.

• 1:07:44Speaker 00

  My boy.

• 1:07:45Josh Horowitz?

  Um, last actor you were mistaken for?

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  Mark Ruffalo.

• 1:07:49Josh Horowitz?

  Always.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  Olivia Wilde.

• 1:07:54Josh Horowitz?

  I see it.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  Right? That's what I thought, dude.

• 1:07:58Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, the, the invite. I haven't seen it yet. Everybody says it's amazing.

• 1:08:03Speaker 00

  I think it might be one of my favorite movies of the year.

• 1:08:05Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:06Speaker 00

  It's very good.

• 1:08:07Josh Horowitz?

  Worst noted director has ever given you?

• 1:08:13Speaker 00

  It was, um, it was Doug Liman.

• 1:08:17Josh Horowitz?

  He's a unique gentleman.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  And it was the, it was probably the best and the worst.

• 1:08:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  I loved it. I say worse just because it's hilarious to say, but I really loved it. He came up to me, we were doing, uh, an episode of The Recruit. And we did this long five-minute interrogation scene where I'm interrogating, um, uh, Laura Haddock, who's playing Max. And, uh, we do the first take. And he comes in, he's like, cut. And he comes in, he's like, and then he's fixing little things in this thing. And he looks at me and he just goes, better.

• 1:08:51Josh Horowitz?

  I mean.

• 1:08:52Speaker 00

  And I looked at him and I went, yeah. And then he left the room and we did it again. And then he came, he said, cut, moving on. That was great. Better. That was better. And I would say, dude, I love him, dude.

• 1:09:07Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  I actually had a phenomenal time working with him.

• 1:09:09Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, he's a wild, uh.

• 1:09:11Speaker 00

  He's a wild dude. But he pays attention to all these little things that, that, that add to the texture, you know? Like every, every film is just, every day is like one line, right? Of a tapestry. And he just pays attention to all these little things. I like it. I liked, loved working with him.

• 1:09:30Josh Horowitz?

  And good notes. And finally, in the spirit of Happy Side Confused, who's an actor that always makes you happy. You see them on screen. Immediately, you're in a better mood.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  Um, Matthew McConaughey, who you had on earlier today.

• 1:09:41Josh Horowitz?

  He's a good one. Movie that makes you sad?

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  Um,

• 1:09:47Speaker 00

  Her.

• 1:09:48Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, nice. Yeah, that's a good one. And a food that makes you confused?

• 1:10:00Speaker 00

  Who the fuck can just say something to that?

• 1:10:03Josh Horowitz?

  People, people have little weird quirks.

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  Food that makes you confused.

• 1:10:07Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you don't get it. I don't want that. Why do you eat that?

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  I don't get it. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I don't get, I don't get this, um, um.

• 1:10:16Josh Horowitz?

  See it on the menu.

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  Like, what?

• 1:10:19Josh Horowitz?

  What?

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  Uh, you beat hamburgers.

• 1:10:25Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 1:10:26Speaker 00

  Like, uh.

• 1:10:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, why do that?

• 1:10:27Speaker 00

  Do they do that? Do they make?

• 1:10:28Josh Horowitz?

  If they do, they're, they shouldn't.

• 1:10:31Speaker 00

  The whole vegan, now I'm, now I'm canceled.

• 1:10:33Josh Horowitz?

  Wow, now you're getting, now you're going against the vegans too?

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  They're not gonna like me. Alright.

• 1:10:39Josh Horowitz?

  No, we're not saying that. We're just saying something should be meat, something should, like.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  Ah, yeah.

• 1:10:44Josh Horowitz?

  I'm trying to help you out.

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  Something should be meat?

• 1:10:46Josh Horowitz?

  No, I'm just saying.

• 1:10:46Speaker 00

  Should something, so some.

• 1:10:47Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, really? We're doing this? We're doing this?

• 1:10:51Josh Horowitz?

  Trying to help you out and you turn it around.

• 1:10:53Speaker 00

  Turn it around and use it as a weapon.

• 1:10:55Josh Horowitz?

  Never mind.

• 1:10:56Speaker 00

  I'm pulling you down with me.

• 1:10:58Josh Horowitz?

  Not only the end of Noah's career, but happy sad confused.

• 1:11:01Speaker 00

  It's okay, I'm gonna come on and, and, and, uh, we're gonna start a new podcast together.

• 1:11:05Josh Horowitz?

  What was it called? What was the, the beginning?

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  It's gonna be on 4chan and it's.

• 1:11:09Josh Horowitz?

  No, it's, it's an OnlyFans network we're doing.

• 1:11:11Speaker 00

  It's an OnlyFans, that's right, that's right. And instead, we're just gonna paint our feet as faces and then, or our toes as faces and then we're just gonna do a whole interview like that.

• 1:11:21Josh Horowitz?

  Definitely the most absurd interview promoting a movie like Union County ever. Let's say that.

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  Well, damn. Is this, I thought this was for more than just that.

• 1:11:30Josh Horowitz?

  It was, it is. It's everything. Don't worry.

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  Oh, god.

• 1:11:33Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, we're landing the plane in a good way.

• 1:11:35Speaker 00

  Good.

• 1:11:36Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 1:11:36Speaker 00

  Who confuses you?

• 1:11:39Josh Horowitz?

  It's been a wild, strange trip, this conversation, but we're coming full circle to remind folks, yes, a lot of laughs, uh, but early on, we talked about it and we should mention again, um, Union County is really, really a special piece of work. It is a labor of love and I'm glad you devoted the time to it with Adam Meeks, with Will Poulter, shining a light on this community, on these issues, something to be very proud of.

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 1:12:05Josh Horowitz?

  And, um, yeah, I hope, I mean, I know this is one of those, like, I'm sure, like Warfare, that's gonna, like, stick with you for a long time.

• 1:12:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, thanks, dude. Yeah, it, landing a plane, coming back around, speaking of Union County, like, I think oftentimes in the world today, you look at the world and you look at yourself and you try to, you kind of, at least for me, I struggled, as I get older, to, to feel like, um, there are solutions to some of our problems. And, uh, Adam Meeks has opened my eyes, uh, through this film, uh, in a way that I, I now know, yeah, there are solutions and they exist and they're out there and they need to be supported and they need to be amplified. Um, you know, Union County is one example of 4,000 different programs, um, that all span from, you know, Child Protective Services to domestic violence, to substance abuse, and, and, and they're there to support their communities and there are people like Annette that, that, that make these things possible, uh, and they're government programs and they do work.

• 1:13:15Speaker 00

  And so, um, yeah, man, there are solutions out there and I think we all just need to, you know, look a little bit harder for them and support them when we find them.

• 1:13:28Josh Horowitz?

  Well, good for you for using your powers for good, man. And I appreciate you and I appreciate you contain multitudes as do I. We had some laughs here, but we talked about some serious stuff too. So, um, this was a blast. I'm glad it finally happened and, um, come back soon.

• 1:13:41Speaker 00

  Thank you, Josh.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

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