The 2021 Movie Draft

We are drafting again! And Amanda is back! She and Sean are joined by Chris Ryan to pick their faves and foil their pals in a draft of the movies from 2021. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:03Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 2:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dadd.

• 2:05Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the big picture conversation show about 2021. We are drafting again. It's the movie draft 2021 edition. Chris Ryan, C R, is here. Hello.

• 2:14Speaker 04

  Happy December, Sean.

• 2:16Sean Fennessey?

  Happy December to you. Amanda is here with us in December when we are recording this very not pre-recorded episode of the podcast. No, we're pre-taping this episode. This is the furthest in advance we've ever pre-taped an episode. It's August 19th.

• 2:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you verify that? Did you scroll back?

• 2:31Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I mean, in what, where, when else have we four months in advance pre-taped an episode?

• 2:36Speaker 04

  Cause we didn't do that last time.

• 2:37Sean Fennessey?

  No, we didn't do anything like that. No.

• 2:39Amanda Dobbins?

  We, we baked a couple. I was gone for seven months last time and you survived.

• 2:43Sean Fennessey?

  I fucking remember.

• 2:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I came back at some point, but I feel like we did it.

• 2:48Sean Fennessey?

  It was a long seven months. Yeah.

• 2:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, I recall we were still doing Zoom at the time.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But there was like a, a chaotic five person draft with Mallory and Joe, I think, that was done.

• 3:01Sean Fennessey?

  It was pre-recorded?

• 3:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 3:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Several months in advance, but I don't know whether it was four. It's mid-August.

• 3:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's mid-August.

• 3:08Amanda Dobbins?

  This is airing in December.

• 3:09Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 3:10Amanda Dobbins?

  In December is Aaron Rodgers, still the quarterback, starting quarterback for the New York Jets.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  Or has he been supplanted?

• 3:17Sean Fennessey?

  I'll say he's back, but he missed six weeks in the middle of the season.

• 3:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:23Sean Fennessey?

  But he's back for the stretch run.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Doing a hard hand count for RFK's.

• 3:29Sean Fennessey?

  And he withstood that loss and he persists on, right?

• 3:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:34Sean Fennessey?

  He's back.

• 3:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Everyone was on vacation for the Bear stuff. By the Bear, I mean RFK and the Bear, not the Bear, the show.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  I was around. I was around.

• 3:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:43Amanda Dobbins?

  That was just some weird shit.

• 3:44Sean Fennessey?

  Has not been listening to JMO.

• 3:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:46Sean Fennessey?

  We had three separate Bear taxidermy episodes.

• 3:49Speaker 04

  One told from the Bear, Bear's perspective.

• 3:52Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible. Some of your best voice work.

• 3:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:57Sean Fennessey?

  2021, shall we discuss it?

• 3:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, weird year.

• 4:01Sean Fennessey?

  2021, we were amidst the COVID pandemic. Wasn't the best time in our lives. It wasn't the best time in the history of movies. We were podcasting pretty regularly. But I'll start with you, Amanda. Who were you in 2021? What were you doing? What were you up to?

• 4:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, this is a apt time to be doing this because I spent a majority of 2021 pregnant. Uh, as I have spent a majority of 2024 pregnant. I gotta say, movies not performing the best in both circumstances. So.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  Do you think the two are related?

• 4:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, you know, maybe everyone's saving the, you know, the good stuff for, for when I'm back.

• 4:37Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe it's kind of like Damien the Omen, but for movies, you know, where like for this child to come.

• 4:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 4:42Sean Fennessey?

  The movie must be sacrificed.

• 4:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:45Sean Fennessey?

  This, the movie Sin Eater.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  Every time.

• 4:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  Damien Omen. Damien, my son Damien Omen.

• 4:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 4:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Isn't that?

• 4:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Formulation by Bill, which is incredible stuff that he's done there. Is Omen Satan's last name?

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Omen is his last name. It's like Scottie Pippen. Yeah.

• 5:05Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 5:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what I thought.

• 5:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I don't think it is.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  No, I mean, his name's not.

• 5:09Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's why, like, the movie that you guys all loved was, like, First Omen. And I thought he was like the first Omen of the family.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, so you didn't think it was the Omen that the child of Satan was being born?

• 5:20Amanda Dobbins?

  His name was Damien Omen.

• 5:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's not Omen.

• 5:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you know, I'm a Bill follower. Uh, listen, I, I say a breast of, of the bits.

• 5:28Sean Fennessey?

  Let's look at the character's real name.

• 5:29Amanda Dobbins?

  How do you think Paul George is doing right now for the Sixers?

• 5:32Speaker 04

  I think similarly to, to Aaron Rodgers, he's missed some time, but is also impressed.

• 5:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:37Sean Fennessey?

  It appears the character's last name is Thorn.

• 5:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:40Sean Fennessey?

  Robert and Catherine Thorn.

• 5:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, anyway, we saw a lot of movies. Most of them are pretty bad, I would say.

• 5:46Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think I clocked 331 new movies this year.

• 5:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:50Sean Fennessey?

  Which is crazy, but we were still, for the most part, quarantining. The vaccine arrived in April, I want to say, or maybe I got vaccinated in April. And started going back to the movies at this time, but many of the movies that we watched. We watched it all.

• 6:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 6:04Sean Fennessey?

  And this is when the studios were like, yeah, I'll send you a link.

• 6:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 6:07Sean Fennessey?

  I was like, really? You'll send me a link to this action movie?

• 6:09Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's

• 6:10Sean Fennessey?

  And they did.

• 6:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I do also feel like this was the really, the year where the lag of production.

• 6:16Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And the limits of post-production.

• 6:20Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Reshoots, et cetera, like were available. So there wasn't that much. And what you saw at least through November.

• 6:28Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Was of varying quality.

• 6:32Sean Fennessey?

  So there's some dispute about when's the right time to have multiple people on drafts? And when's the wrong time? We did.

• 6:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Dispute among who?

• 6:41Sean Fennessey?

  Amongst the listeners of the show.

• 6:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's, that's their problem. That's them on their time.

• 6:45Sean Fennessey?

  I'm merely, I'm merely bringing it up to make a point, which is that in 1996, we did that draft. We were like, wow, there's so many honorable mentions, so many leftover movies.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  People on to do this. Yeah.

• 6:54Sean Fennessey?

  You, you couldn't say the same for 2021.

• 6:57Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really true.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  I, I mean, it would be interesting to see other people's different sort of experiences of this. I think you guys had a very specific one, which is pulling from this weird flood of stuff, both things that they had already shot that they hadn't can, things that were getting finished in the most extreme of circumstances. And crucially, the collapse of the theatrical business, best picture nominees showing up on streaming after maybe being in 10 theaters or being out for a few days or something like that. I was wondering whether or not, when you look at the large list of the films that you see here, do you feel that the current moment in film more mirrors something closer to 2021?

• 7:40Speaker 04

  Or have we gotten back to the pre-COVID time of how movies felt?

• 7:45Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good question. I think that this year is more powerful than, I don't know if it will qualitatively be as good actually as 2021. I think 2021.

• 7:56Sean Fennessey?

  Actually provided an opportunity for a few movies to come to the surface. I'll give you an example, The Worst Person in the World.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:03Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's a movie that probably got way more attention in the United States than it ever would have if not for the COVID pandemic. And it's not to say that a movie like that wouldn't be made in 2024, but 2024 feels a little light on your like five star masterpieces incoming.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  So far, yeah.

• 8:18Sean Fennessey?

  But the box office has done very well this year and there've been big, there's been two billion dollar movies already this year. That was not even close to the case for the business in 2021.

• 8:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:29Sean Fennessey?

  There's only one movie that made more than $250 million in the US this year. And it was, it's a big chasm between that movie and the other movies.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:36Sean Fennessey?

  So Hollywood is in a different place.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  I think if you'd asked me that, or if I asked myself that six weeks ago, I would have had a different answer than I do today.

• 8:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Today?

• 8:46Speaker 04

  Today in August.

• 8:47Sean Fennessey?

  Cause you saw Romulus.

• 8:48Speaker 04

  Number one, because of the box office, like you're talking about and like this weird, The Long Legs and It Ends With Us and Romulus, all doing really well.

• 8:56Sean Fennessey?

  People want to go to movies. Yeah.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  But Wolf's going to streaming, feels like a very 2021, like Wolf doesn't go to streaming if COVID doesn't happen.

• 9:06Sean Fennessey?

  So that to me actually feels like that specific thing you just cited, which will now be incredibly old news by the time people hear this. But that feels like Apple TV plus is just a few years behind its competitors.

• 9:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:17Sean Fennessey?

  And so they're still doing some stuff. They're still learning the same, they're still experiencing the same mistakes that their forebears did. And it's, it's a great time to talk about it because 2021 was the year of Project Popcorn. When Warner Brothers decided to do Day and Date with not just some of, but all of their big ticket movies. So that means that Matrix Resurrections, King Richard, Dune Part One, Cry Macho, In the Heights, The Suicide Squad, The Many Saints of Newark.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  Those Who Wish Me Dead, right?

• 9:45Sean Fennessey?

  Those Who Wish Me Dead, Godzilla versus Kong, all of those movies.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  Move all.

• 9:50Sean Fennessey?

  They all went straight to streaming.

• 9:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:53Sean Fennessey?

  And you could see them in movie theaters and we did see some of those movies in movie theaters, but. We, I'm looking, we're gonna look back on that as like a really weird historical anomaly in the movie business.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  It's still happening there.

• 10:03Sean Fennessey?

  Cause like the Godzilla Kong movie that came out this year made like 600 million dollars.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:06Sean Fennessey?

  And they, they, what did it make, like 100 million this year? So it's just a fascinating thing.

• 10:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Godzilla versus Kong is one that came out even before vaccines were widely available. And so some of, I mean, some of it was, you know, I know it's fashionable now to be like, what were you doing?

• 10:19Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:20Amanda Dobbins?

  What was, what's his first name? Kilar? Jeff?

• 10:22Sean Fennessey?

  Jason Kilar.

• 10:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I was gonna be like, Jeff Kilar?

• 10:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Jim Kilar.

• 10:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I also had Greg for a moment. Greg, Jeff.

• 10:29Sean Fennessey?

  Little Johnny Kilar.

• 10:30Amanda Dobbins?

  But it was like, like theaters legally could not be open in, in many states. And that became like a whole culture, all sorts of things. So that like.

• 10:38Sean Fennessey?

  You were protesting outside, I remember. You had a big sign that said, "Open these theaters now!"

• 10:45Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true, but like it, it did take a while for the infrastructure to come back.

• 10:49Sean Fennessey?

  It did.

• 10:49Amanda Dobbins?

  So, you know, it's, it is very strange and we're still dealing with the effects of it. But it was because of a much larger, very rare.

• 10:58Speaker 04

  Do you think the ArcLight will be open when this podcast goes out?

• 11:00Sean Fennessey?

  I don't. I, I'm, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for 2025.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  But I just mean, like, I mean, like theatric, the theatrical business has taken a long time to get back on its feet. So it's really nice that the box office has done better this year. But I do think that you can still see like the bones and shadows of, of what was 2019. It's, has not been reanimated entirely.

• 11:19Sean Fennessey?

  The funny thing about it is, I was just saying to somebody on another podcast, I'm trying to not catastrophize as much as I used to. Which is obviously a signature of my movie podcasting.

• 11:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:28Sean Fennessey?

  But, um, it's plausible that Wicked Part One and Moana Two bomb, or bomb.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  And that you hate Gladiator Part Two.

• 11:37Sean Fennessey?

  And this conversation we're having about how the box office is fine is not fine.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, and you hated Gladiator Part Two. It's like, it all sucks.

• 11:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Gladiator Two's bad. Like, we could be in a place where, you know, this pod conversation seems pointless. But 2021 was a fascinating time, because you're right, this was the year where people started going back to the movies, but it took a little while. I remember A Quiet Place Part Two was the first place, first movie that I saw in theaters. Movie that I loved. I probably loved it because I was back in a movie theater more so.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  I saw Old, I felt the same way. It's, it did not, not a good film, but I saw it in a movie theater. I was like, Jesus Christ.

• 12:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I.

• 12:05Sean Fennessey?

  It's seven eighths of a great movie.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Mad at me because I don't like trap as much as you do?

• 12:09Amanda Dobbins?

  If you don't like the genre, you don't like it. You don't like it. That's fine. You don't need to say that it's bad, you know?

• 12:16Speaker 04

  I didn't say it was bad.

• 12:17Sean Fennessey?

  You did say old was bad.

• 12:18Amanda Dobbins?

  You said it was bad.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  Part of this movie.

• 12:20Sean Fennessey?

  You did use the word bad.

• 12:21Amanda Dobbins?

  You said old was not a good movie and you said that you enjoyed the first half of trap before it fell apart. So we're here.

• 12:30Sean Fennessey?

  Who's got Phillies back now? Right here.

• 12:32Amanda Dobbins?

  This is like, this is when you were like, R E M's Monster is not a significant album. Okay?

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Why did I say that?

• 12:38Amanda Dobbins?

  During season two of The Bear and you guys were like, really strange currencies. And I was like, yes, the millennials love Monster. Okay?

• 12:46Sean Fennessey?

  That's true. We do. We do love Monster.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  I just try to have a nuanced look at each film on its own merits. And I really liked the first half of, I love The Visit. I love Signs and The Village, weirdly.

• 13:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 13:00Sean Fennessey?

  Not weirdly.

• 13:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:01Sean Fennessey?

  What's weird about it? Those are good movies.

• 13:03Speaker 04

  I'm a Shama guy. I like knocking that.

• 13:05Sean Fennessey?

  You betrayed him. You dumped on trap in old.

• 13:08Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  So you listened to the Romulus pod, but you did not?

• 13:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't made it all the way to the end yet.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 13:14Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's just because of like.

• 13:15Speaker 04

  Shout outs for you in there.

• 13:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I'm like, I'm getting there, but when we're recording it and also the amount of time I'm spending in my car driving around right now is like, is lessened.

• 13:24Sean Fennessey?

  At a lower, yeah, lower clip.

• 13:25Speaker 04

  I will say, can I just, just to tie this into 2021, this year I've had a couple of experiences in 2024 of movies that I think are okay or like pretty good or not so great. But were vastly improved by seeing them on a big screen. And I desperately wish I could go back in time, have my first viewing of about a dozen of these movies. Be in a dark theater with a bunch of people and see if they would have clicked a little bit more.

• 13:50Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think I'm going to draft this movie. I might. I don't think I am.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Is it without remorse?

• 13:56Sean Fennessey?

  It's not without remorse. Um.

• 13:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my God, that was so long.

• 13:59Sean Fennessey?

  Making one of the categories streaming only, but I didn't do that. I'd like to do that at some point.

• 14:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Comedy or musical because there are literally no comedies.

• 14:07Sean Fennessey?

  Ah, but there are.

• 14:08Amanda Dobbins?

  But there's like one, but sure. So it can be interesting or.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  There's a couple.

• 14:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 14:13Sean Fennessey?

  No, this is where, this is where the work comes in.

• 14:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 14:15Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I, I'll consider that.

• 14:19Amanda Dobbins?

  There are a lot of musicals.

• 14:20Sean Fennessey?

  I'll consider that recommendation.

• 14:21Amanda Dobbins?

  That way you can have Dear Evan Hansen, you know, and you don't have to decide.

• 14:23Sean Fennessey?

  I'm good. I'm, I'm good on that. No.

• 14:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you seen Dear Evan Hansen?

• 14:26Speaker 04

  Have not.

• 14:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you like the stage either?

• 14:29Speaker 04

  It's about a kid.

• 14:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Writing letters to a dude in his school.

• 14:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Who was his friend, but then passes away.

• 14:38Sean Fennessey?

  Sort of.

• 14:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, kind of.

• 14:39Sean Fennessey?

  Not quite.

• 14:40Amanda Dobbins?

  And then Amy Adams is the mom.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  Is she? Does she get nominated for that?

• 14:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yep. Coolest actress around nineteen years running.

• 14:51Sean Fennessey?

  The movie I was gonna say was Matrix Resurrections, which was a very divisive movie and people really didn't like.

• 14:57Sean Fennessey?

  I saw it with Van and Charles. I remember vividly, we saw it at the IMAX campus in Playa Vista, which is one of the coolest rooms in LA. And I was like, this movie fucking rocks. This is great. And then it came out and everybody was like, this movie should be burned.

• 15:11Speaker 04

  I saw it with my mother on a television screen and we both fell asleep.

• 15:19Sean Fennessey?

  And there you have it.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  But that's the problem. That's the problem. There's a bunch of movies here from this year that I literally had to like, not the movies I saw in the theater, but like the streaming ones require diligence. Like you just have to either like pretend like you're you're captured captive audience. Or in the case of a couple of my favorite movies from this year, it was like second or third viewing that they really started to come together for me.

• 15:46Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. So it was the third viewing of Eternals that unlocked it for you? The tragedy of that story.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  When he's at Hiroshima, it's just amazing.

• 15:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Did you see Eternals?

• 15:55Speaker 04

  Isn't that happens though?

• 15:56Sean Fennessey?

  It does, yeah. Brian Tyree Henry's character.

• 15:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I sat next to you.

• 16:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you heard me gasping multiple times and how.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  I saw Eternals in the theater by myself. I think to do the watch, but I can't remember.

• 16:09Sean Fennessey?

  2021 is a man. Who are you?

• 16:13Speaker 04

  If 2021 was a man.

• 16:15Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, as a man, who were you in 2021? Amanda mentioned she was pregnant as a woman. Could there be, could she be more of a woman?

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Pregnant with thought, you know, I was thinking a lot about where we were going.

• 16:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the eternal gestation, one might say.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  I never know how to answer these questions when they are years when which we were doing the podcast. I mean, like, you could, there's documented, you know, proof of who I was.

• 16:42Sean Fennessey?

  None of that is true. What was the real you going through at that time?

• 16:45Speaker 04

  I think I was a lonely, scared boy, wondering what was gonna happen in this fantasy land that I live in, you know? No, I was fine. I was a...

• 16:54Sean Fennessey?

  Sleepy Joe? He came in?

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:56Sean Fennessey?

  Were you feeling good about that?

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes.

• 16:58Sean Fennessey?

  You were?

• 16:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. I remember, I remember a sense of jubilation outside of Sweetgreen when that finally went through.

• 17:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that was in 2020, though.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, that's right.

• 17:08Sean Fennessey?

  Question for you right now. Let's just say it's August 19th, 2:36 PM, West Coast time. Is Joe Biden asleep right now?

• 17:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you would hope, because he was gonna add a nap into the schedule, right? But like, you can't be napping, he's on the East Coast.

• 17:22Sean Fennessey?

  He's got a little more free time now.

• 17:24Amanda Dobbins?

  But he's on the East Coast.

• 17:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Amanda Dobbins?

  So 5:30 is too late to be napping.

• 17:28Sean Fennessey?

  You think he's just tucked in for the night?

• 17:30Speaker 04

  You have strict rules about napping. Can I tell you that?

• 17:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, it's a lifestyle.

• 17:33Speaker 04

  You once scolded me for napping before noon.

• 17:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, though I took a brief nap this morning before noon, so I apologize.

• 17:40Speaker 04

  And now it's too late to nap at 5:30.

• 17:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's gonna mess up your late-night sleep cycle.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  That's just, as a continental woman, like...

• 17:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I think like, I think somewhere between 1:00 and 3:30 is the right time to be sleeping.

• 17:52Speaker 04

  3:30 is my sweet spot.

• 17:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But you gotta be up by 5:00, 5:30, or else how are you gonna go to bed? Even, I know you're a late-night person, but still...

• 18:01Speaker 04

  I'm not actually as much anymore, and I, my naps are more of like a quick power cycle. Like, it's just like down and up.

• 18:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, how many minutes?

• 18:09Speaker 04

  Well, I'll listen to a podcast for 40 minutes, but I'll probably be only like asleep for 20.

• 18:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 18:14Sean Fennessey?

  So you fall asleep to podcasts?

• 18:16Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  What's your favorite podcast to fall asleep to?

• 18:18Speaker 04

  There are really more ones that I can't fall asleep to. Fantasy, football, I can't fall asleep to Heifetz and Craig. No offense, it's just that they, they keep the energy high and it's not, it's a lot of British guys just being like, and then Liverpool at the left-back, just facing a terrible, terrible...

• 18:37Sean Fennessey?

  That sounds calming.

• 18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  It is. It's really calming.

• 18:39Sean Fennessey?

  I can't fall asleep with anything in my ears anymore. I used to fall asleep to music and or podcasts for years.

• 18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  But you still fall asleep to a screen most nights, right?

• 18:46Sean Fennessey?

  I do not.

• 18:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, really? I'm so happy for you. That's really, that's an improvement. I was worried about your, your sleep habits.

• 18:51Sean Fennessey?

  I did fall asleep on Saturday night.

• 18:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:55Sean Fennessey?

  To a screen for the first time in a while, because I had split a bottle of wine with your husband.

• 18:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, that's right.

• 19:00Sean Fennessey?

  And then I went home and I turned on Desperado, the Robert Rodriguez film. And I was, through the first five minutes, I was like, this was such a good call. I love this movie. And then I don't remember anything that happened after that.

• 19:09Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great.

• 19:10Sean Fennessey?

  So I definitely just fell asleep. Yeah, no, no, it was in the bed, but you know, you know.

• 19:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 19:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's, that's, that's, I'm old.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  I like watching the most fucked up thing possible, right up to the second I go to sleep to see what happens. I've been watching Horror in the High Desert. It's a found footage trilogy.

• 19:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 19:28Speaker 04

  The last couple of nights, very convoluted, but very interesting. And it's just done some wonders for my, my nighttime experiences.

• 19:36Sean Fennessey?

  I just can't get more than six hours of sleep at all, period. I've just got, I've got a human alarm clock right now.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  Will your daughter be sleeping past seven?

• 19:45Sean Fennessey?

  Seven, no. I would kill for 6:15.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 19:48Sean Fennessey?

  Kill.

• 19:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:49Sean Fennessey?

  I was up at 5:15 this morning, so.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  You're sharp as a tack.

• 19:52Sean Fennessey?

  Apologies for my, my performance today.

• 19:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And she won't go back to sleep, like with, in your bed or anything?

• 19:57Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, I don't want her in my bed. Get a stat in my room.

• 19:59Speaker 04

  Alice is born by 2021, right?

• 20:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:01Sean Fennessey?

  She was born in 2021.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  That explains your love of Coda.

• 20:05Sean Fennessey?

  It does. It does. Coda, I watched.

• 20:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you not cry at Coda?

• 20:09Speaker 04

  I didn't see Coda.

• 20:10Sean Fennessey?

  I watched.

• 20:10Amanda Dobbins?

  You still haven't seen it? Oh, man, come on, that last scene, waterworks.

• 20:14Sean Fennessey?

  Given all these pregnancies you've had, you think that a movie like that would touch you in some way.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  What pregnancies?

• 20:19Sean Fennessey?

  You said pregnant with thought.

• 20:20Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:22Speaker 04

  Bet you meant I'd fathered.

• 20:24Sean Fennessey?

  Given all of your bastards, one would think you could look at that film with some heart.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  I'd be so sick of some dude named Chris Snow comes up to me.

• 20:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Chauncey, yeah. Dad, I've been listening to your podcasts.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  Why won't you watch Miyazaki?

• 20:46Sean Fennessey?

  I became a father in 2021.

• 20:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Sean Fennessey?

  Best thing ever.

• 20:49Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great. Shout out Alice, even though she won't go to sleep.

• 20:51Sean Fennessey?

  She won't go to sleep. She wouldn't sleep then and she won't sleep now. But aside from that, we're good. We're good. Great choice.

• 20:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm a big fan.

• 20:59Sean Fennessey?

  That was in July, so my wife is also pregnant for the majority of this year.

• 21:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:04Sean Fennessey?

  And, uh.

• 21:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Takes a long time.

• 21:05Sean Fennessey?

  That was a good thing. That was a good thing because being quarantined and her being pregnant, it was like, let's watch movies. Like, we watched, I watched so many movies in part because she was like, that's what we're doing. Like, that is our life now. So in terms of racking up the statistics.

• 21:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, this one's been a rude awakening in terms of, what, you mean, I have to drive two hours to come?

• 21:21Sean Fennessey?

  We were just talking about that.

• 21:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sit in your uncomfortable seat. Uh, I gotta start bringing a Nerf football.

• 21:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:28Amanda Dobbins?

  To prop me up.

• 21:29Sean Fennessey?

  A Nerf football?

• 21:30Speaker 04

  It's a little back trick.

• 21:32Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, really? That works?

• 21:33Speaker 04

  It's in the small of your back, I hope.

• 21:34Sean Fennessey?

  I should explore that. Purchase for my own.

• 21:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, yeah, we had a lot of time to watch movies in 2021.

• 21:40Sean Fennessey?

  The big movie this year was Spider-Man: No Way Home.

• 21:44Sean Fennessey?

  Which I guess didn't make all of its money because it was the end of the year, right?

• 21:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:47Sean Fennessey?

  Came out, I want to say in December.

• 21:49Amanda Dobbins?

  It did.

• 21:50Sean Fennessey?

  And so it made most of its money in 2022, but it made $800 million total.

• 21:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Because the Spider-Mans were like this.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  This is the Spider-Man meme one? I thought this was the Jake Gyllenhaal one.

• 22:00Amanda Dobbins?

  No, this is, this is.

• 22:02Sean Fennessey?

  No. Far From Home was the Jake Gyllenhaal one.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  Oh, Far From Home, right.

• 22:05Sean Fennessey?

  Did you like that one?

• 22:06Speaker 04

  Uh, I prefer No Way Home to Far From Home.

• 22:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Me too.

• 22:09Sean Fennessey?

  Me too. Uh, number two. Are you looking at the document? Do you know what the second highest grossing movie of the year was?

• 22:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Because you didn't tell me not to look, so.

• 22:17Sean Fennessey?

  Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Did you see this one?

• 22:20Speaker 04

  I did, in the theater.

• 22:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Me too. At La Cañada.

• 22:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's okay. It's not that bad.

• 22:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but then what happened in the last 45 minutes, respectfully?

• 22:28Sean Fennessey?

  Is terrible. Yeah, but it's pretty, I, I, there was stuff I liked about it.

• 22:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 22:32Sean Fennessey?

  But that, I mean, this is, that's, that, that movie made $225 million.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  How did Black Widow make 183? Didn't it go right to Disney Plus like two weeks later?

• 22:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, it did. And Scarlett Johansson would love to tell you about it.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  I'm available.

• 22:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  She wants to discuss it.

• 22:49Sean Fennessey?

  That's not a movie I saw in theaters.

• 22:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Me either.

• 22:52Sean Fennessey?

  Because it came out, I think because it came out so early.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  They sent screeners for that, actually.

• 22:55Sean Fennessey?

  They sent screeners. Maybe that's what it was. Maybe I watched it on a screener.

• 22:58Amanda Dobbins?

  We did.

• 22:59Sean Fennessey?

  Huh. Very strange. This was a weird year.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  Do you remember the plot of that film? The Russian school for girls?

• 23:04Sean Fennessey?

  I do. Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  And Rachel Weisz.

• 23:07Sean Fennessey?

  And was it, was it Brian Cox? Who was the man who ran that? School? Who was the villain?

• 23:12Speaker 04

  He was the guy who ran the born, born identity school. Was David Harbour, was in this as?

• 23:18Sean Fennessey?

  He was the Red Guardian.

• 23:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, there, no, it's like, isn't it like Olga?

• 23:24Sean Fennessey?

  It was Ray Winstone.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure. But then who's the?

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Olga Karolinko is the villain.

• 23:30Amanda Dobbins?

  The, yeah.

• 23:30Sean Fennessey?

  Taskmaster.

• 23:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 23:34Sean Fennessey?

  Character I'm very familiar with.

• 23:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And then Florence Pugh is just stealing the show from absolutely everyone.

• 23:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Does she still have to be in Marvel movies?

• 23:41Sean Fennessey?

  She's going to be in the Thunderbolts movie.

• 23:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Really? I thought everyone was.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  She's now the champion of, uh, she's, she's coming for Gwyneth's crown of, I did not know I was in that. I can, I can sense this.

• 23:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I think she'll be pretty good at it. Though, I mean, Gwyneth, like, whenever they made that Robert Downey Jr. announcement, and she's just up on Instagram being like, "Wait, I don't get it. Are you bad now?" I mean, there's no one better than Gwyneth Paltrow.

• 24:06Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think Florence Pugh will be able to compete with Gwyneth in that front. I think she's actually like, "I'm a hero in this movie. It's cool."

• 24:11Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 24:12Sean Fennessey?

  She was at Comic Con, like proudly, standing amongst the Thunderbolts. Can you name any of the Thunderbolts?

• 24:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Besides Yelena.

• 24:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, you mean like the characters?

• 24:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no. Is Squirrel Girl a Thunderbolt?

• 24:24Sean Fennessey?

  No, sadly for you.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  Uh, the, what's, what's Wyatt Russell's character's name?

• 24:30Sean Fennessey?

  Um, he is, he's like Doctor America.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:34Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's a really good question. U.S. Agent?

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:39Sean Fennessey?

  Big U.S. Agent.

• 24:40Speaker 04

  That's weird.

• 24:41Sean Fennessey?

  That is, that is his name, yeah. Um, you can't name any other characters. Well, Bucky, you know Bucky, Sebastian Stan.

• 24:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, he's back?

• 24:49Sean Fennessey?

  He's back.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  The Winter Soldier.

• 24:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 24:50Amanda Dobbins?

  And he didn't turn evil and were become Captain America at any point?

• 24:54Sean Fennessey?

  Turned back, thanks to Wakanda. Thank you very much for restoring me.

• 24:57Amanda Dobbins?

  In what installment?

• 24:59Sean Fennessey?

  In Black Panther?

• 25:00Speaker 04

  Infinity War?

• 25:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I saw both of those.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Isn't that happening?

• 25:04Sean Fennessey?

  He emerges from Wakanda in Infinity War. But he's been, I think he's in Black, isn't he in part of, doesn't really matter.

• 25:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 25:11Sean Fennessey?

  Nevertheless.

• 25:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 25:13Sean Fennessey?

  The Winter Soldier, the bionic arm is good, is good again.

• 25:17Amanda Dobbins?

  He's good again, and he's a Thunderbolt.

• 25:19Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm. So you've got US Agent, played by Wyatt Russell. You've got Bucky Barnes, AKA Winter Soldier, played by Sebastian Stan.

• 25:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Are any of the like, Hailee Steinfeld people, or any of the little marvels?

• 25:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 25:30Sean Fennessey?

  That's a different team.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  They're the young.

• 25:32Sean Fennessey?

  Young Avengers.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, like Avengers babies? Okay, and so.

• 25:37Sean Fennessey?

  Rude, they're reductive, but.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  Really funny if there were baby Avengers.

• 25:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Avengers babies, um.

• 25:44Sean Fennessey?

  We mentioned David Harbour. He's a Red Guardian.

• 25:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, he's back?

• 25:47Sean Fennessey?

  He'll be back.

• 25:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's good news for their finances.

• 25:50Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Lily Allen's been selling foot pics on the internet. Like, I don't know what's going on.

• 25:54Sean Fennessey?

  Foot pics?

• 25:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 25:55Sean Fennessey?

  Did you buy any?

• 25:56Speaker 04

  Do you engage with her podcast content?

• 25:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't. I sometimes listen to the recaps. And I like, I love Lily. I'm rooting for her always. Um, but, like, I was concerned about their, their financial situation.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  I think Stranger Things money's about to hit. He'll be good.

• 26:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's true. They did one of those Architectural Digest tours, and it was clear they just like, ran out of money by the time they got to the basement. I was like, those curtains, I made them, you know?

• 26:21Sean Fennessey?

  I do want to draw your attention to one other character in Thunderbolts.

• 26:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:24Sean Fennessey?

  Character's name is Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross.

• 26:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that, uh, Harrison Ford?

• 26:29Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 26:29Amanda Dobbins?

  So he's a Thunderbolt?

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Cause he's the Red Hulk.

• 26:32Sean Fennessey?

  He's the leader of the Thunderbolts, and he's also Red Hulk.

• 26:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 26:36Sean Fennessey?

  So, we're gonna redo the Harrison Ford Hall of Fame, so we can get Red Hulk in there.

• 26:40Amanda Dobbins?

  When is this coming out?

• 26:41Sean Fennessey?

  Next year.

• 26:42Amanda Dobbins?

  What time?

• 26:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think in the summer.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  It's after Captain America: Brave New World.

• 26:45Sean Fennessey?

  I think in May.

• 26:46Speaker 04

  Uh, there's a couple of big blockbuster movies that I think really drove you completely insane.

• 26:52Sean Fennessey?

  In this year?

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:53Sean Fennessey?

  Tell me about them.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Free Guy.

• 26:55Sean Fennessey?

  Hated it.

• 26:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:56Sean Fennessey?

  Hated it.

• 26:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  Uh, I think we were all quite mad at No Time to Die.

• 27:02Sean Fennessey?

  I liked it. I ultimately liked it. I, I did. I did.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I was, I was happy to be there. I was nervous that it was never gonna get released, and I was feeling a little, I, quarantine fatigue.

• 27:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:18Sean Fennessey?

  On that episode.

• 27:19Amanda Dobbins?

  It was like, finally, like, the morning sickness had lifted, you know? Like, I wasn't barfing.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:24Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 27:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But I haven't watched it since.

• 27:28Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't either. I did interview Kerry Joji Fukunaga on that episode.

• 27:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 27:32Sean Fennessey?

  Where we discussed the film, and that was before certain events transpired.

• 27:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:35Sean Fennessey?

  Certain revelations were made. And I haven't praised any of his work since, but you have praised Masters of the Year. You've said that's one of your favorite shows.

• 27:44Speaker 04

  I actually specifically, I was real big into Bowden and Flex work on that.

• 27:48Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 27:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right, of course.

• 27:50Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, that's what I thought was okay. I thought it was a bold final, final.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  It was a bold final act, yeah.

• 27:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, Shana Lynch was good.

• 27:58Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  That's gonna be.

• 27:59Sean Fennessey?

  Daniel Craig was good.

• 28:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't know why Rami.

• 28:01Sean Fennessey?

  Armas was great.

• 28:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Rami Malek, I don't know why he was there.

• 28:03Sean Fennessey?

  That was, that wasn't good.

• 28:04Amanda Dobbins?

  That was tough.

• 28:05Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't like the stuff that was like, the snowman, you know, that was kind of like, seemed like a Swedish thriller.

• 28:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Really good.

• 28:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but not, it wasn't, it just wasn't Bond.

• 28:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you know.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  The scene where James Bond orders a missile strike on himself?

• 28:18Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  That's gonna be you when Aaron Rodgers tears his ACL.

• 28:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, and the Ana de Armas scene, that was really good. That should have been the whole movie.

• 28:27Sean Fennessey?

  Come on, that's a fun movie.

• 28:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. How's she doing? When's Ballerina coming out?

• 28:31Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I believe next summer.

• 28:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 28:34Sean Fennessey?

  Can't say I was wowed by the footage I saw at CinemaCon.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  Didn't they like, reshot the movie since then?

• 28:39Sean Fennessey?

  They reshot it and they retitled it John Wick Presents: Ballerina.

• 28:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, great.

• 28:45Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see. No John Wick movies this year.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  2021?

• 28:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  No, I was disappointed.

• 28:50Sean Fennessey?

  3 was 2019.

• 28:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Which one is F9? That's the one where they go, they quote unquote, go to space?

• 28:57Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yes, that's correct.

• 28:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, they didn't go to space.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  You're like the Joe Rogan of whether F9.

• 29:02Sean Fennessey?

  You could also say the same for Apollo 13, you know, they went to space.

• 29:05Amanda Dobbins?

  They did go to space. They went to space in that one.

• 29:09Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean?

• 29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  And then they.

• 29:10Sean Fennessey?

  Ludacris went to space in F9.

• 29:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like, in a Honda.

• 29:14Sean Fennessey?

  Chris Bridges was there.

• 29:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 29:15Sean Fennessey?

  In a Honda, yeah.

• 29:16Amanda Dobbins?

  But it wasn't like a whole mission. I don't besmirch Apollo 13.

• 29:21Sean Fennessey?

  I mean.

• 29:21Amanda Dobbins?

  30 year anniversary coming next year.

• 29:23Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just saying that Apollo 13 and F9 have some things in common.

• 29:28Sean Fennessey?

  Gotta be okay with that. Do you want to draft?

• 29:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:32Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  But I'm also happy to keep debating certain things if you want to.

• 29:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Like space travel?

• 29:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  It's legitimacy.

• 29:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's legitimate.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 29:43Sean Fennessey?

  Do you have a problem with doing the three years later thing? At the end of every year? I'm just asking you.

• 29:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Why are you asking me?

• 29:49Sean Fennessey?

  Well, because you're the co-host of this podcast.

• 29:51Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think it's good. And now I do actually understand it as a tradition that we do every three years. Whereas like everything else, you're like, and now in the grand tradition of the big picture, something I made up at 3 a.m. after watching Desperado, you know?

• 30:05Speaker 04

  Drinking some Bordeaux.

• 30:06Amanda Dobbins?

  So I like, no, I'm in, I'm with you now. The, the main thing is, is like, you don't always let me know I gotta sell something before it's time to sell it.

• 30:15Sean Fennessey?

  I expect you to just read my energy.

• 30:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I think I do a decent job of that.

• 30:20Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good, pretty good. Not him, though. He was just like, it's always so hard when we were podcasting together to share my thoughts. I was like, just fucking make something up.

• 30:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, by myself?

• 30:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 30:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, well, I just, I don't think I was that interesting in 2021.

• 30:31Sean Fennessey?

  No, you were.

• 30:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I wasn't playing travel baseball.

• 30:33Sean Fennessey?

  You're the person I most want to spend my time with that isn't in my family. Like, that's a, that's as nice a thing as I could possibly say. You got, you've got great shit going on.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  That's really nice of you guys to say. I don't feel, I don't feel as interesting as I used to.

• 30:44Sean Fennessey?

  I thought you were gonna say, I don't feel the same way.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  I'd much rather be hanging out with.

• 30:50Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 30:51Speaker 04

  For solo, yeah.

• 30:52Sean Fennessey?

  So Bobby Wagner is not here with us today, but he has recorded the draft order. I have not listened to this. I'm gonna play it for us here. So we will hear in real time. Let's just let it play all the way through. Okay?

• 31:04Speaker 05

  Okay, let's set the draft order. No Top Gun hat this time. I'm on the road. But long time listeners will remember the ever reliable willdecide.com. Cookies are cleared. Willdecide.com's algorithm favors no one. Here we go.

• 31:26Speaker 05

  Selecting first is Chris Ryan.

• 31:34Speaker 05

  And second will be Amanda Dobbins, which makes Sean third.

• 31:39Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. So now we know. Chris first, Amanda second, me third.

• 31:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I think this is okay. This means that this doesn't have to be mean spirited. Maybe it will be.

• 31:48Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean?

• 31:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, like, maybe we don't have to.

• 31:51Sean Fennessey?

  When has it ever been mean spirited?

• 31:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm so tired. Can you just play along with my bits?

• 31:58Sean Fennessey?

  Go ahead, go ahead.

• 31:59Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I'm not. It's not my pick. It's your pick first. I mean, you can go for the jugular right now if you want to.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Well, I'll take, I'll take dude in blockbuster.

• 32:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's the right call.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  I was kind of hoping to get third.

• 32:11Speaker 04

  Because I love to have the turn in this particular draft. Dude is kind of a chalky pick. I don't really like the blockbusters very much from this year. So this is. This is the one that makes the most sense to me.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  I feel.

• 32:24Amanda Dobbins?

  This was really good.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Picking a blockbuster that I saw in streaming.

• 32:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I saw it at that IMAX theater in Playa Vista that Sean was describing, and it was awesome.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  And FI, not fucking invited.

• 32:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Sean Fennessey?

  I saw it at the Steven Ross Theater on the Warner Brothers lot.

• 32:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  Your favorite Dolphins owner.

• 32:41Sean Fennessey?

  It was, uh.

• 32:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that, that's the really good one? That's where we saw dude too as well. I mean, that is, that's one of the best theaters in LA.

• 32:47Sean Fennessey?

  I've seen both installments in that theater. It was incredible. However, this was the origin, of course, of me saying, wait a minute.

• 32:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Wait, yeah, what the fuck?

• 32:54Sean Fennessey?

  This isn't the whole story. What's happening here, sir?

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Saw Romulus at the IMAX at the Brand or at the Americana or whatever.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Generally a positive experience, except for the 20 minutes that a man stood in front of another man, showing him his ticket on his phone. And the other man was just like, I'm not getting up. And the guy just held the phone in his face. And the other guy was just like, I'm not moving. But they weren't even yelling at each other. It was just like a silent standoff between two gladiators.

• 33:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, which guy were you? Were you the guy with the phone?

• 33:28Speaker 04

  No, of course, I not only do I very far in advance buy my tickets, select my seats to be away from others in some ways. I like to get on the aisle, but then this guy, these two guys just fucking, they worked it out, though. Eventually, they turned their phones off.

• 33:45Sean Fennessey?

  Did one of them have a xenomorph implanted in their body?

• 33:49Speaker 04

  No, but that's probably why I was like, I wonder if Rain is Ripley's daughter.

• 33:53Amanda Dobbins?

  How did they resolve it? Did some, was there a third party who came in to start a dialogue?

• 33:59Speaker 04

  It was essentially like a matter of moving down one seat.

• 34:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 34:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:02Amanda Dobbins?

  And so did the man sitting move down a seat?

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but like, really? How long?

• 34:08Speaker 04

  Like honestly, six minutes. Yeah, just be like.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  I respected it, though.

• 34:16Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really funny.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  That's what society's at. Hopefully, President Blank will bring about a new world.

• 34:25Sean Fennessey?

  President RFK Jr.

• 34:28Amanda Dobbins?

  They're amazing.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  So ban electronic dating the first day.

• 34:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I start crying. Um, shout out to those guys.

• 34:36Speaker 04

  And shout out to Denis Villeneuve, who made a great blockbuster.

• 34:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this is so good.

• 34:40Sean Fennessey?

  Such a great movie. It's a great movie.

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:42Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a really, really, really good movie. Um, okay, that's what I would have taken in blockbuster. Again, in the spirit of kindness.

• 34:49Sean Fennessey?

  You're just covered in tears.

• 34:55Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just really funny. And I just like also imagining Chris sitting there just staring, you know, like maybe getting the timer.

• 35:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Instead of doing anything at all.

• 35:09Speaker 04

  World Star with two guys silently showing each other their phones.

• 35:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really funny.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Do people still do that?

• 35:20Sean Fennessey?

  Should bring that back.

• 35:21Speaker 04

  Should bring it. World Star was good and Icing Dudes was good.

• 35:27Sean Fennessey?

  Did you ever ice anyone?

• 35:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, we iced people at the Ringer for a while.

• 35:31Sean Fennessey?

  Did we?

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:31Sean Fennessey?

  At Graylin?

• 35:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:33Sean Fennessey?

  At Graylin?

• 35:33Speaker 04

  No, it was at the Ringer, wasn't it?

• 35:35Sean Fennessey?

  Icing was at the Ringer? No, no, no, no.

• 35:37Speaker 04

  Maybe I brought icing back at the Ringer, but I think Gallagher and I tried to ice dudes.

• 35:43Sean Fennessey?

  What was it? Was it Smirnoff Ice? Is that what you...

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:45Sean Fennessey?

  Did you ever...

• 35:46Speaker 04

  But what would you do? Would you make people...

• 35:48Sean Fennessey?

  Drink it.

• 35:49Speaker 04

  But like, how?

• 35:50Sean Fennessey?

  I remember when I dropped off the pallet full of Smirnoff Ice at your house and you very slowly knocked out 800 cans over the course of two years.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  That's why I can't remember what I was doing in 2021. I got iced too much.

• 36:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you present it, like, did you kneel down in front of the person or did the person have to kneel down once they had been, like, sneak presented with the icing? Were you old enough?

• 36:13Speaker 04

  No, but do you, like, how did it work?

• 36:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Kneel. The person that gets iced. Kneels. Okay, and so, but so if you ice someone, you just have to figure out a way of how to present it to them, like, sneakily?

• 36:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, you would hide it and you'd pull it out. Also, you definitely did this at the Ringer, because I was 16 in high school and Ringer was 2016, 17?

• 36:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:33Speaker 06

  So that was definitely a thing.

• 36:34Sean Fennessey?

  I was icing time?

• 36:36Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no. Icing time was like 2009, 2010.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  We brought it back.

• 36:41Sean Fennessey?

  You keep saying that, like, like it was social security or something, like you saved it.

• 36:48Sean Fennessey?

  I voted for icing.

• 36:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Now I'm just imagining you, like, icing people at the Americana at the movie.

• 36:54Sean Fennessey?

  But you were like, I iced all of our 22-year-old employees.

• 36:57Speaker 04

  We were fighting over the ticket. I climb over the seats and I spoke.

• 37:04Sean Fennessey?

  You're the great uniter.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  And then a fucking zebra worm jumps out of a guy's chest.

• 37:11Sean Fennessey?

  You should, you should... I think it would be better if you were more like the Joker, you know, where you're just showing up places and like playing pranks, you know, just setting people up.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, okay.

• 37:21Sean Fennessey?

  Is there any part of you that is confusing this with the Ice Bucket Challenge?

• 37:28Sean Fennessey?

  And you did that nude. I remember when you did it, you did it stark naked, right? And you did it, was it at a, was it the Iron Bowl stark naked at the 50 yard line?

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Why are you doing?

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Okay, man, did you pick anything?

• 37:44Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I have a choice.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and like I said, I was gonna do the nice thing.

• 37:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, cause I could just, I could do licorice pizza, but that is mean. And I am gonna leave it for you. And I, so in Black Panther, I'll do a very unamended thing. Cause it is a weird year and I will take Spider-Man No Way Home.

• 38:06Sean Fennessey?

  You could make the case that that's a worse thing that you did than take licorice pizza.

• 38:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  Cause now he's gotta take it like Shang Chi.

• 38:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but.

• 38:13Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, compete.

• 38:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 38:15Sean Fennessey?

  Compete in the way you'd like to compete.

• 38:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Sorry for trying to like, give you something that you love.

• 38:21Sean Fennessey?

  Not even a disingenuous apology.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Apology, not accepted.

• 38:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. The good news for you is you've just been iced.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  You're extremely pregnant.

• 38:34Sean Fennessey?

  Get on your knee and drink this Smirnoff Ice.

• 38:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I would absolutely 100% vomit and then like projectile vomit on you.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 38:42Amanda Dobbins?

  But I'm at the point where I would drink it. Um, I liked this film.

• 38:46Sean Fennessey?

  Has Tobey Maguire ever had a Smirnoff Ice?

• 38:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  Oh, I really apologize to Florence Pugh because I forgot. It's not her, it's Marisa Tomei, who's like, I don't know what you're talking about. They asked her, do you have any memorable days on set and during Spider-Man? And she goes, nope.

• 39:06Sean Fennessey?

  Let's do that. She's good in those movies.

• 39:08Amanda Dobbins?

  She's good in those movies.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  And also, nobody's doing it like her in those movies.

• 39:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, she looks amazing.

• 39:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 39:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, we, we did all see this movie together. This was nice. We were back in theaters.

• 39:18Sean Fennessey?

  Big winner screening, yeah.

• 39:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was very sweet. Um, and no, once again.

• 39:24Sean Fennessey?

  Sorry about that. Whoops.

• 39:26Amanda Dobbins?

  You guys put through the ice fucking.

• 39:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it was 48 Ringer employees, but we forgot Chris.

• 39:37Sean Fennessey?

  My bad.

• 39:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, obviously, this was a very successful movie. I feel like this is the only time that I've ever even gotten like a whiff of what it feels like to.

• 39:48Sean Fennessey?

  You got emotional.

• 39:48Amanda Dobbins?

  To be like a Marvel fan and you guys were like, oh, and then they brought all the people together. And I was like, oh, it actually was moving when Tobey Maguire and then Andrew Garfield showed up and he saves whoever Zendaya is playing because he couldn't save whoever ever.

• 40:02Sean Fennessey?

  He says MJ because he couldn't save Gwen Stacy.

• 40:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I can't remember their names.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  And we lose Marisa Tomei in this movie, do we not?

• 40:09Sean Fennessey?

  I can't remember.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Aunt May?

• 40:10Sean Fennessey?

  I've only seen this movie once.

• 40:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Me too. But Aleah is giving a thumbs up to the fact that we lose Aunt May, which, okay. But I was like, oh, this is playing on nostalgia in a way that even I can access.

• 40:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And it was nice to be back in the movie theaters. So, and also it made a shitload of money.

• 40:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's a very fun blockbuster. I don't want to say it's the platonic ideal of a superhero movie, but it was a good moment after two very trying years with movies. So for it to be the really, truly the first big, big, big movie since COVID, I think was appropriate since it gave a lot of people joy.

• 40:50Sean Fennessey?

  It is definitely what I would have taken next in blockbuster because of the scarcity there.

• 40:57Sean Fennessey?

  So that means in drama, I will take Licorice Pizza. Is Licorice Pizza a comedy or a drama?

• 41:03Speaker 04

  I think it's a dramedy.

• 41:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's.

• 41:05Sean Fennessey?

  So you could take it in either space.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  Bradley Cooper is very funny in this film.

• 41:09Sean Fennessey?

  Well, then I'll take it in comedy if it's a comedy, if you will allow it.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  Let's see what Wikipedia says. The ultimate arbiter.

• 41:15Sean Fennessey?

  If it says dramedy, we usually let you choose in either direction. We had just had a version of this that we talked about in 86, so you got mad.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  American romantic comedy drama.

• 41:24Sean Fennessey?

  Well, in comedy, I'll be taking licorice pizza.

• 41:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I think that's beautiful.

• 41:28Sean Fennessey?

  This is Paul Thomas Anderson's most recent film. It's a snapshot of 1970s, Southern California, seen through the prism of his experience. And producer Gary Getzman, about some young hustlers who, one in particular, who encounters a gal in her twenties, and they start a romantic affair. You protested this movie for months because of the age gap controversy.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  That's such a weird thought for you.

• 41:56Sean Fennessey?

  You immediately stopped protesting the opening of movie theaters. Once they opened, you began protesting Paul Thomas Anderson's work publicly.

• 42:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I honestly was just thinking about how much money I paid to the Westwood parking officials.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, that's right.

• 42:11Amanda Dobbins?

  To be able to, because it was screening. And I, and a wonderful film-going experience, and then a $60 parking tab. Congratulations to Westwood.

• 42:21Sean Fennessey?

  I did find street parking one of the three times I saw it.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  Did you cry when Let Me Roll It played in this movie?

• 42:27Sean Fennessey?

  I think Amanda and I both were like, oh, like, like, it's like.

• 42:30Amanda Dobbins?

  And then I, like.

• 42:31Sean Fennessey?

  You know, hair standing on our arms, straight up.

• 42:33Amanda Dobbins?

  And then Let Me Roll It, we like, we played it to Knox, like, a lot while he was still.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  Do you ever say to Knox, Barbara Streisand? Sand.

• 42:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I think, I think he would be really, he would respond to that.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  To John Peters being his babysitter.

• 42:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I honestly think Knox and Bradley Cooper would really get along.

• 42:55Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I think Knox is a little too decent for Bradley Cooper.

• 42:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 42:59Sean Fennessey?

  One of my takes. He's very pure, Knox.

• 43:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but.

• 43:02Sean Fennessey?

  Bradley, you know, he's a stormy fellow. He's got some issues. He's wonderful as Peters in this movie. Alana Heim not made a movie since then.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Is she in, I believe, uh, The Battle of whatever the hell it's called, or Not Violent?

• 43:16Sean Fennessey?

  The Battle of the Bulge. It's a recreation.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  What's the, it's like The Battle of Something Heights, or The Battle of Something Hills?

• 43:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I saw the reported title. I'm sure we'll know what it is by the time this actually airs, but I don't know if that's the actual title of the movie.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Isn't she in that?

• 43:28Sean Fennessey?

  Is she? That makes sense. That would make sense. Uh, Cooper Hoffman, terrific in this movie. Really liked what he's been up to. Did you guys see Wildcat? I was just talking to somebody about this, the Ethan Hawke directed movie about Flannery O'Connor.

• 43:40Amanda Dobbins?

  No, my parents did. And they, then they like hung out with Ethan Hawke in Atlanta afterwards.

• 43:45Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no shit.

• 43:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I was like, this sounds great.

• 43:47Sean Fennessey?

  That's, that's fun.

• 43:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Sean Fennessey?

  I wasn't crazy about it.

• 43:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 43:50Speaker 04

  How?

• 43:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Cause I think he was like going, you know, doing the road tour. No, I think this is one of the times in the last five years, my dad was like, sure, I'll go see a movie.

• 44:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 44:03Sean Fennessey?

  Was it because it's Flannery O'Connor? Like, was there like a special, like, Georgia experience with that movie?

• 44:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I mean, they, they just went to a screening where he did a Q and A afterwards. I'm exaggerating it, but.

• 44:15Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just wondering why he was there.

• 44:16Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 44:17Sean Fennessey?

  Uh.

• 44:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Atlanta is the filmmaking capital of the Southeast.

• 44:22Sean Fennessey?

  That's great. Here's the world's second smallest doughnut.

• 44:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I wish we had donuts right now.

• 44:31Sean Fennessey?

  That would have been nice.

• 44:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I was honestly, or Smirnoff Fights, I was thinking about like, if we could, um, like, have Dairy Queen delivered.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't think it would have the same charm.

• 44:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  It's also like intemecula.

• 44:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. It's really tough.

• 44:46Sean Fennessey?

  Do you remember when we went to Palm Springs and on the way home, we got Sonic? And then we just like had like a psychotic meltdown. That was pretty good. It's good. I drank like some giant green drink.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  With like 42, like potato puffs.

• 44:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I was like, more taquitos.

• 45:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's an interesting day. Licorice Pizza, great movie. I brought, uh, Wildcat cause Cooper Hoffman, in the telling of A Good Man Is Hard To Find, plays the salesman.

• 45:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 45:10Sean Fennessey?

  In that story, and he's really good.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Isn't he in Saturday Night?

• 45:13Sean Fennessey?

  And he's in Saturday.

• 45:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And you've now seen Saturday Night and devoted 10 episodes to it.

• 45:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 45:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And.

• 45:19Sean Fennessey?

  Pleased to announce Jason Reitman is third chair on the big picture. It's exciting times. Replacing Amanda, it's just me, me, C R and Jason.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  And J R.

• 45:27Sean Fennessey?

  Every week.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you see the John Mulaney clip with the fake Saturday? It's what a, what a special person.

• 45:32Sean Fennessey?

  You know what my take on that is?

• 45:33Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 45:34Sean Fennessey?

  Carrying water for Big Warren.

• 45:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Oh, yeah. That's fine with me.

• 45:39Sean Fennessey?

  Protecting Papa.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:40Sean Fennessey?

  You know, gotta watch, on a show produced by Papa.

• 45:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:44Sean Fennessey?

  You know, The Seth Meyers Show. Convenient.

• 45:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 45:46Sean Fennessey?

  Got it. You gotta have some distance and some closeness to the material.

• 45:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  So you put that in comedy. I'm, I'm just gonna keep track of these.

• 45:53Sean Fennessey?

  My next pick.

• 45:57Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm hmm hmm.

• 46:00Sean Fennessey?

  An Oscar nominee, I'll be taking West Side Story.

• 46:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 46:04Sean Fennessey?

  Steven Spielberg's masterful remake, I guess it's a remake.

• 46:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:10Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, of the legendary 1960 musical, which is one of the most virtuosically made movies in his career. And another movie that-

• 46:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I thought you were saying that about the original.

• 46:23Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, they both are.

• 46:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Sean Fennessey?

  They're both amazing, but in completely different ways. And there is some revisionist history, like, oh, I didn't realize, but I remember at the time, you and I were both really, really enthusiastic about this.

• 46:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I was absolutely blown away by it, and I was on my top five of the year. And, um, I remember just feeling overwhelmed. I mean, I love the original West Side Story well, and Hollywood musicals, and it gets all of it.

• 46:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, first 15 minutes too is a masterclass in-

• 46:51Speaker 04

  It's great.

• 46:52Sean Fennessey?

  Reinventing the way that-

• 46:53Speaker 04

  My face is so good.

• 46:54Sean Fennessey?

  A movie like that could look-

• 46:54Amanda Dobbins?

  So good.

• 46:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Anne Aronson is really good in this.

• 46:57Sean Fennessey?

  She is, and she won an Academy Award for her performance. Uh, okay.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 47:00Sean Fennessey?

  So those are my two picks. PTA and Steven Spielberg?

• 47:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Good job.

• 47:04Sean Fennessey?

  In a COVID year?

• 47:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Sean Fennessey?

  You got a Spider-Man movie.

• 47:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Well-

• 47:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It's true.

• 47:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I think I'm gonna add to, to that glory. Well-

• 47:19Sean Fennessey?

  You taking Eternals? In drama?

• 47:24Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I, I'm just trying to decide whether you're gonna take really anything from me at this point.

• 47:32Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm. Aside from your dignity?

• 47:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And like, maybe you'll take a couple of mine as well. I would have liked to have West Side Story.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  I think once we get off five of these things, it's like, basically, go with your heart's personal preference, yeah.

• 47:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I kinda just wanna go with my heart anyway, so I think it's gonna be okay. It's, it's, it's things like, some categories are thinner than others.

• 47:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I guess in action horror thriller.

• 48:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. Well, I'm trying to decide what, what.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  I was just, if you, if you were, if, just go ahead.

• 48:11Sean Fennessey?

  You're taking, you're taking Benedetta.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Oh my God, you remember.

• 48:16Sean Fennessey?

  It's one of our best pods.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  My, my mom was like, what movie? I was home with my mom and she was like, what movie are you podcasting about? And I said, Benedetta. And she was like, do you want to watch it with me? And I was like, absolutely not.

• 48:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I honestly.

• 48:34Sean Fennessey?

  You're stumped.

• 48:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it's, it's awkward to be the middle person, you know, strategy wise.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and I like, I, I was not gonna draft No Time To Die, but now I'm like, should I? But I haven't thought about it since, really.

• 48:52Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 48:52Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 48:54Sean Fennessey?

  I wonder if I've been less likely, and maybe I don't know if this is true for you, less likely to return to any of these movies because they were seen in such strange circumstances.

• 49:02Speaker 04

  That was what I, that's what I was saying is that, uh, well, for me, it's actually weirdly like the opposite where, you know, a lot of these movies immediately went into cable rotation and were on streaming. So I feel like I watched them piecemeal or I watched them one and a half or two and a quarter times. But I actually wound up having some favorites because of that style of watching things. I've not revisited No Time To Die.

• 49:27Amanda Dobbins?

  But then my other pick is a movie that is like, great until the end and it's not great. So.

• 49:36Sean Fennessey?

  Go with your heart.

• 49:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know what my heart is telling me.

• 49:39Sean Fennessey?

  Go with your head.

• 49:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know what my head is telling me either.

• 49:42Sean Fennessey?

  Go with your gallbladder.

• 49:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know where that is right now.

• 49:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, okay, maybe I just don't need to do that category right now.

• 49:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 49:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Cause I have some other options.

• 49:54Sean Fennessey?

  Great.

• 49:54Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what? Do you have somewhere to be? Can I help you?

• 50:00Amanda Dobbins?

  You need to make it to Brad Pitt?

• 50:01Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:02Amanda Dobbins?

  To give away another organ?

• 50:03Speaker 04

  You keep taking me up to the edge of maybe you're gonna take it and I'm like, yes. And then, or no.

• 50:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  And then, and then you pull back and so like-

• 50:11Amanda Dobbins?

  So should I do it?

• 50:12Speaker 04

  This, no, this is just make, is rattling me. Like, I feel like I'm watching my life flash before my eyes.

• 50:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I know, but I didn't feel like you-

• 50:17Sean Fennessey?

  You are.

• 50:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You have like a lot of stakes and no time to die.

• 50:19Speaker 04

  I, maybe I do and maybe I don't, but it's like the, the suspense is killing me.

• 50:23Sean Fennessey?

  Did you try to throw us off the scent by saying it wasn't very good? When frankly, Amanda and I liked it and you tried to other us on this podcast.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, you guys are really, you're killing it by loving trap and no time to die. You guys are just the peak of cinematic. Falling cale is saluting you in heaven.

• 50:37Sean Fennessey?

  No, no. Sincere movie watchers, you know?

• 50:40Speaker 04

  I am a sincere film watcher.

• 50:41Sean Fennessey?

  And willing to meet the movie on its own terms.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  No time to lie. That's the CR Bond movie, you know?

• 50:47Sean Fennessey?

  No time to lie? Okay.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  It's about a film critic who just tells the truth.

• 50:53Sean Fennessey?

  But he's James Bond?

• 50:59Sean Fennessey?

  That would be an interesting rebrand.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:01Sean Fennessey?

  If they just cast like, uh-

• 51:02Speaker 04

  That is actually, sounds like what they-

• 51:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess, okay, I'm, I'm just do, do something really weird that makes no sense. Um, but I'm gonna go to comedy because I really only have one comedy.

• 51:13Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:14Amanda Dobbins?

  That's not true because I remembered that worst person in the world could technically count as comedy. But I mean, it's not exactly uplifting. Instead, um, I'm gonna do Shiva Baby.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  Hey! Yeah, that was on my list too.

• 51:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought it might be on your list. Yeah, uh, which is the debut of Emma Seligman. And I think the first time I saw both Rachel Sennett and Molly Gordon. So, and it's also a, a very funny if awkward movie in its own right.

• 51:43Sean Fennessey?

  I love it.

• 51:44Amanda Dobbins?

  But just kind of, uh, you remember where you were when you encountered the work of all these people.

• 51:49Sean Fennessey?

  You did not see-

• 51:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:51Sean Fennessey?

  Life of the Party, the 2019 movie starring Melissa McCarthy?

• 51:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't.

• 51:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I remember seeing that 2018 movie. I remember seeing that and I was like, who's that? And it was Molly-

• 52:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Molly Gordon, yeah. I mean, maybe, let's see, let me click. Maybe I had seen her before, but I remember watching this movie and being like, oh, that person. And now she is just, now they're both just partying with Charli XCX at Tenants of the Trees, and they didn't invite me.

• 52:16Sean Fennessey?

  They really, they made it. Those two just made it.

• 52:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, my birthday is two days apart from Charlie's.

• 52:21Sean Fennessey?

  You almost went?

• 52:22Speaker 04

  In the sense that I went to Gelson's that night while it was happening. Yeah.

• 52:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess we'd seen, no. I mean, you were there. I think people were partying there. I guess Molly Gordon was-

• 52:32Sean Fennessey?

  You wandering into the Charli XCX parties by yourself, holding a bag of Gelson's groceries?

• 52:38Speaker 04

  No offense, but in some ways, I'm cooler than everybody in that party.

• 52:41Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  I am, I am.

• 52:42Sean Fennessey?

  Well, keep going. God, I'm not stopping you.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  Taste-wise, the shit I rock with, it's pretty cool. You know what I mean?

• 52:52Sean Fennessey?

  So you're better than us because you didn't like trap. But you're also better than Charli XCX and Rachel Sennett because you shop at Gelson's.

• 53:02Speaker 04

  Is there a cooler supermarket? Is there a more brat supermarket?

• 53:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I do think it's cooler to park at the Gelson's than at the Trader Joe's if you're going to Tenants.

• 53:11Sean Fennessey?

  Can't park in that Trader Joe's.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  I do park at Gelson's to go to Trader Joe's, but I respect Gelson's enough to always buy something at Gelson's, too.

• 53:19Sean Fennessey?

  I have actually called the Gelson's security on you a couple of times and you've done that, and I can't believe your car hasn't been towed yet.

• 53:27Speaker 04

  And they're like, we would tow him, but he just iced us.

• 53:32Speaker 04

  And we're hammered.

• 53:35Sean Fennessey?

  You found the one way to neutralize the police. You just, guys, you just got iced.

• 53:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Molly Gordon was in Booksmart, so I hadn't seen her before, but, you know. Um, whatever. I'd enjoy this film if you haven't seen it.

• 53:53Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's really good. Emma Seligman was on the show for the movie, actually. Really enjoyed it. Good pick. See how you're up.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  For Oscar nominee, I will do one of the best movies of the decade, the greatest work of art by Guillermo del Toro.

• 54:07Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 54:08Speaker 04

  Nightmare Alley.

• 54:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you serious?

• 54:09Speaker 04

  I love this film. This is an incredible movie.

• 54:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, it's like-

• 54:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, good, good. Go ahead. Fire away.

• 54:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't think that, I didn't think that I was gonna lose you to carnivals.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  Oh, it's not about carnivals.

• 54:21Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 54:21Speaker 04

  It's about the darkness inside of the American heart.

• 54:24Sean Fennessey?

  The carnival of the mind. Yeah.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Now we're all barkers.

• 54:27Sean Fennessey?

  What lurks in the heart of man?

• 54:30Speaker 04

  What an incredible film.

• 54:31Sean Fennessey?

  I thank you, Chris. Thanks for saying so.

• 54:33Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 54:34Sean Fennessey?

  Of course, I agree with you.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  Uh, maybe my favorite Bradley Cooper performance.

• 54:37Sean Fennessey?

  He's very, very good in this movie.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  But easily my favorite Guillermo del Toro. What? Movie? Dude, aren't you kind of on the same page?

• 54:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, he loves it.

• 54:46Sean Fennessey?

  He's very good. I'm a huge fan.

• 54:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this, I mean, this is one where I, like, I watch it at home and, and once again, carnies aren't really my bag.

• 54:52Sean Fennessey?

  What about that?

• 54:54Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, well, it's a-

• 54:55Sean Fennessey?

  It's only about that for like 20 minutes at the beginning and 20 minutes at the end.

• 54:57Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a lot about that. Like, there's like a whole lot of-

• 54:59Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, he's like-

• 55:00Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a Guillermo del Toro movie, okay?

• 55:02Speaker 04

  He's a con man.

• 55:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, like, okay.

• 55:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's a con man movie.

• 55:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, like, all the mirrors in Cate Blanchett's office or whatever, it looked very cool.

• 55:09Sean Fennessey?

  The production design is amazing in this movie.

• 55:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It's obviously good. It's the best Bradley Cooper performance.

• 55:15Speaker 04

  Well, what's better?

• 55:16Sean Fennessey?

  Wedding Crashers?

• 55:17Speaker 04

  I don't know. It's a, I, I'd like to see if, uh-

• 55:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Star is born?

• 55:20Speaker 04

  I'd like to see if that character had to stretch out as much as Vince Vaughn did, you know?

• 55:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Hangover Part Three?

• 55:26Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 55:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  American Sniper?

• 55:32Amanda Dobbins?

  And he has the plastic baby?

• 55:33Sean Fennessey?

  Just let it sit there, yeah. Burnt?

• 55:35Amanda Dobbins?

  One day, he should come with a plastic baby to one of these.

• 55:41Sean Fennessey?

  Did you see the Dungeons and Dragons movie?

• 55:43Speaker 04

  Do we, can I actually do that? And then I'm like, oh, new mom, right?

• 55:47Sean Fennessey?

  I know.

• 55:50Speaker 04

  It's crazy. What about, what did you do?

• 55:51Sean Fennessey?

  Did you see the Dungeons and Dragons movie with Chris Pine?

• 55:54Speaker 04

  Bradley Cooper in that movie?

• 55:55Amanda Dobbins?

  He is briefly in that, yeah.

• 55:56Sean Fennessey?

  It's a hilarious cameo.

• 55:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, he's small and the chair is big. Um-

• 56:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's a really good bit.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah.

• 56:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, anyway.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  Anyway, Emir Ali, I thought one of the, my favorite endings of a movie in quite some time, even since, and, uh, I often don't vibe with the, um, the more sort of creature feature parts of Guillermo del Toro stuff. Uh, it's not really up to my taste in horror, like that kind of Gothic style that he has, but I really love this film. And, uh, really, and I, I really felt like it's very prescient, as many people have pointed out, but it was like the, the idea of constantly like trying to like scratch and claw your way to, you know, higher levels of success and fame, no matter what.

• 56:39Sean Fennessey?

  And you feel that you now more deeply understand that because of where you've gotten to in your career?

• 56:43Speaker 04

  Well, I scratched and clawed myself to third chair, didn't I?

• 56:46Sean Fennessey?

  And look at all the spoils you get to enjoy.

• 56:50Sean Fennessey?

  For example, Amanda's crying festival over here. We're on tier 1000.

• 56:55Speaker 04

  So.

• 56:56Amanda Dobbins?

  This classic baby. It's just like they didn't get a real baby. That's so crazy. That movie made like 500 million dollars.

• 57:05Sean Fennessey?

  It did.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  So I think that, uh, this concludes.

• 57:11Sean Fennessey?

  This podcast.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  The folded titles.

• 57:13Sean Fennessey?

  I disagree.

• 57:14Speaker 04

  The hottest names in cinema. The films everyone's talking about. And now we get to the ones that I'm talking about.

• 57:22Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 57:22Speaker 04

  The film that I have.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  I was supposed to make a very sincere.

• 57:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but I'm just imagining Clint Eastwood being like, fire this baby. It's crying. Just bringing up.

• 57:34Sean Fennessey?

  Is that what happened? Is that the story?

• 57:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Probably. Clint's like, I got two minutes for this scene. The baby's kind of nailed it.

• 57:42Sean Fennessey?

  Reared back and was like, I'm doing Casey Case in here.

• 57:46Sean Fennessey?

  We were talking about the cinema for everybody and now we're talking about my cinema. My pick is gonna be.

• 57:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, cinema.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  Uh, cinema. I'm gonna take.

• 57:58Sean Fennessey?

  What'd you see about 11 movies this year?

• 58:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Now he's not ready.

• 58:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 58:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I get in trouble for crying laughing.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  I saw like dozens of movies this year. No, cuz I know that I'm gonna go with my heart and you're gonna be like, duh.

• 58:10Sean Fennessey?

  I would never.

• 58:10Speaker 04

  So drama, I'm taking No Sudden Move. Steven Soderbergh's film with Don Cheadle and Benicio del Toro. And Karen Culkin and the great Julia Fox, uh, and, uh, others. I won't spoil it.

• 58:22Sean Fennessey?

  Did you say the great Julia Fox?

• 58:24Speaker 04

  I did.

• 58:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  She's wonderful in this film.

• 58:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 58:27Amanda Dobbins?

  She's good, isn't it?

• 58:27Speaker 04

  This is a great, uh, noir caper period piece. About, uh, corporate espionage and kidnapping. It's just an awesome taut thriller that I think really fell on deaf ears and eyes when it first came out on Max. It was like, had like three days in like the blogosphere, like in anyone commenting on it. I've watched this movie multiple times. I think it's incredible. Really one of the best scripted Soderbergh's in his sort of recent Max straight to streamer run.

• 58:57Speaker 04

  And I, I just, I love this movie. I know it was in no danger of being taken out from under me, but I just thought I would grab drama now.

• 59:05Sean Fennessey?

  Good pick. I think I just forgot to add this to my long list.

• 59:08Amanda Dobbins?

  It was on my list, yeah. But this is more of just everybody gets what.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  I know. And I feel like I always pick Steven Soderbergh movies when we're doing around this era. Like, I think I grabbed Let Them All Talk.

• 59:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:19Sean Fennessey?

  You did. And maybe next year you can grab Kimmy.

• 59:22Speaker 04

  And I think I picked, uh, what was the Panama Papers one?

• 59:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, you did. The laundromat.

• 59:28Speaker 04

  So like, I'm always, I'm always here.

• 59:30Sean Fennessey?

  For Steven?

• 59:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Me too.

• 59:32Sean Fennessey?

  On this day in August, I posted a photograph of a Blu-ray that I was sent of Mr. Brooks. And the first guy who replied wrote, "Can you please let me send you my VHS copy of Steven Soderbergh's Kafka? I promise it'll be worth it."

• 59:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Great picks. I still don't know what to do about action, horror, thriller.

• 59:54Speaker 04

  Uh, what's your problem there?

• 59:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I just, I don't know which one to take.

• 59:58Sean Fennessey?

  It'd be awesome if you could hem and haw about it for another 20 minutes.

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  Did you see?

• 1:00:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I, can I give her a hint? The Plastic Baby?

• 1:00:05Sean Fennessey?

  Well, the hem and haw, maybe that's better.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  Did you not see very many horror movies? Cause you were, you were like, no, no, thank you.

• 1:00:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I don't really see that, you know.

• 1:00:13Speaker 04

  Sometimes you'll go see or you'll listen to us describe one.

• 1:00:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It's true. And I have seen some recently that I thought were pretty boring.

• 1:00:18Speaker 04

  About a woman that I thought you might be interested in.

• 1:00:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, is it a Taylor Sheridan movie about a woman?

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:00:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, which one was that?

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Uh, it's, well, there's one starring Rebecca Hall.

• 1:00:30Amanda Dobbins?

  A horror movie?

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I didn't see that. Did I?

• 1:00:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's a significant part of big picture lore because it's the film that I watched the night that my daughter was born.

• 1:00:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right. Right, right, right.

• 1:00:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:40Amanda Dobbins?

  That's so weird. Why didn't you just go to sleep?

• 1:00:43Sean Fennessey?

  I wanted to watch a movie. I had a screener. It was expiring.

• 1:00:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that's, then they definitely wouldn't have extended the screener for you.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  I saw this film at Sundance at the time as Sean was contracting the first case of COVID in the United States.

• 1:00:56Amanda Dobbins?

  None of the rest of us got it.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:00:58Amanda Dobbins?

  So I just don't think that it was COVID.

• 1:01:01Sean Fennessey?

  But how did you not get what I had? That's the other thing. Like, I had something. I've never been so sick in my life.

• 1:01:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 1:01:06Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. That was tough.

• 1:01:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  Uh, anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry.

• 1:01:10Sean Fennessey?

  The Night House is the name of the movie you're describing. Maybe I'll draft it later. Awesome movie.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  Awesome movie.

• 1:01:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I guess I'll just keep doing things that I care about and maybe someone else can make the decision for me. Um, so.

• 1:01:24Sean Fennessey?

  You've just described drafting.

• 1:01:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Not always. Sometimes I like to, it's rare that I am indecisive in these things.

• 1:01:31Sean Fennessey?

  I agree.

• 1:01:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know what to do.

• 1:01:32Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 1:01:33Amanda Dobbins?

  It's rare in life.

• 1:01:34Sean Fennessey?

  You think it's because you're on the doorstep of birth? What do you think? What's the reason for that?

• 1:01:38Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think that I, that is one of my features is that I know what I want.

• 1:01:42Sean Fennessey?

  I totally agree with that.

• 1:01:44Amanda Dobbins?

  And.

• 1:01:44Sean Fennessey?

  But I'm saying, why do you think you're indecisive now?

• 1:01:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Cause there aren't, I'm choosing between not great options, you know, and I'm making the argument against myself. And again, this is like a strange strategic place to be because I don't think you're gonna take any of my other guys, but.

• 1:02:00Sean Fennessey?

  You never know.

• 1:02:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I'll be really upset if you do. So I guess I'll just take what I want. So in drama, I'll take the Souvenir Part Two, which was a foregone conclusion, but is one of my.

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  Why did we take so long to get there? This is just one of your.

• 1:02:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, because I was, I don't know, I'd like, I'm trying to take the movies that are in contention. I don't know whether Souvenir Part Two is like a deeply Amanda movie or just like a partially Amanda movie. I know you also love.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  Is it more Amanda than Trap?

• 1:02:29Sean Fennessey?

  I prefer Part One if I think about it. I don't know if I've really thought about it too much, but I think I've seen Part One twice, no, Part Two only once.

• 1:02:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I really like The Project. So, I mean, Part One was like the revelation of, oh, wow, look at this like amazing thing. And it was the first Joanna Hong movie I'd ever seen. And then I since have gone back and seen all of them. But so I agree with you that there's something like truly exciting about it. Um, but.

• 1:02:58Sean Fennessey?

  Two is good. I'm not, it's not.

• 1:02:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Two is great. And there is like a real, like both Souvenirs, she's, are heavily autobiographical. And the choices that she's making and the way that she presents her younger self. And I think some of the like.

• 1:03:17Amanda Dobbins?

  There is both generosity and also like a very wry, like what's wrong with you to all of them that I just find very exciting. Performances are great. I had forgotten that Harris Dickinson is in it. It's just really a who's who of tall British guys. And yeah, I just like these movies a lot. So I also will never forget that I went to this screening and God bless Josh, the publicist who had to announce, I was just asked, so yes, there is in fact a souvenir part one, which is an incredible, that is really, really funny.

• 1:03:53Sean Fennessey?

  That's so amazing.

• 1:03:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56Sean Fennessey?

  Josh is great. That's very funny.

• 1:03:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Josh is wonderful. Okay, so there we go.

• 1:04:01Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, good pick.

• 1:04:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't been second in a while. It's weird only having one.

• 1:04:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

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• 1:05:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:05:45Speaker 04

  Those movies aren't getting any better, so you might as well just leave them there.

• 1:05:48Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed. In drama, I will take Judas and the Black Messiah.

• 1:05:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I meant to ask about this because I

• 1:06:02Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:06:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I do.

• 1:06:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is it not?

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  It's for last, the previous year's Oscars, right?

• 1:06:06Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe you're right.

• 1:06:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because I can't remember, but I do think since they were Oscar eligible for our 2020 draft.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  Because this is what I was wondering about Nom- maybe not Nomadland.

• 1:06:17Sean Fennessey?

  No, this is, yeah, February 1st, 2021 for Sundance and February 12th, 2021. Yes, so it was eligible for the Oscars that transpired in 2021.

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:06:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, Daniel Kaluuya won

• 1:06:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:06:29Amanda Dobbins?

  For the movie, the year of movies that we drafted in 2020.

• 1:06:33Sean Fennessey?

  But it was released in 2021.

• 1:06:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but I just can't remember what we did in the 2020 draft because we might have extended it slightly.

• 1:06:41Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I can find that out if you want to sit here momentarily. Judas and the Black Messiah, directed by Shaka King, starring Daniel Kaluuya and Lakeith Stanfield, Jesse Plemons, I think is now extraordinarily underrated. At the time, I was like, if this were 1997, this movie would be huge.

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  How does Shaka King not have another movie going?

• 1:07:00Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that was what I was just gonna say, is that where's his next movie?

• 1:07:03Speaker 04

  When we were getting ready for this and I was like, oh, surely I've missed, maybe I forgot something. And I was like, this dude is serious talent, like what's going on?

• 1:07:13Sean Fennessey?

  I fully agree with you. He was a guest of the show.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  That was a cool interview. I remember that.

• 1:07:17Sean Fennessey?

  And he was really cool. I really liked him a lot. He was really smart and really engaging. And yeah, I don't know, it didn't happen. So I don't think Judas and the Black Messiah was taken. Oh, no. It was taken by me, but you know where it was taken? Oscar nominee.

• 1:07:34Amanda Dobbins?

  But I don't think you can do it twice respectfully. I'm sorry. It's a great film.

• 1:07:40Sean Fennessey?

  Gosh.

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  I'd like to see you work for it.

• 1:07:42Sean Fennessey?

  Good memory by you.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, nice job.

• 1:07:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't remember specifically that you drafted, but I do remember that.

• 1:07:48Sean Fennessey?

  That would be the only category would be eligible in.

• 1:07:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that that we did a little flexibility because it was such a weird year.

• 1:07:55Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, okay. Then I won't take Judas and the Black Messiah. In drama, I'll take The Worst Person in the World.

• 1:08:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:08:02Sean Fennessey?

  Other movie I loved. I think this is my second favorite movie of the year.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  They're reunited making Joaquin de Bouchere's new film.

• 1:08:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Trier and Renata Renzvi.

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:11Sean Fennessey?

  Most recently seen in Presumed Innocent.

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  Did you ever watch that?

• 1:08:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, no, I did finish it. I finished it finally this weekend. It took me forever. And like, obviously, I knew exactly what was gonna happen.

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I, you know, I think TV shows take too long. This is a movie podcast.

• 1:08:29Sean Fennessey?

  Chris agrees with you about that show.

• 1:08:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:31Sean Fennessey?

  Don't you?

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  I do.

• 1:08:33Sean Fennessey?

  Well, do you think it will make your best 10 shows of the year?

• 1:08:36Speaker 04

  I do not.

• 1:08:38Sean Fennessey?

  You can say that in August for sure now.

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  I don't think so because I can think of six or seven off the top of my head. So the chances are between August and December.

• 1:08:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that coming back this year?

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  This in the fall.

• 1:08:47Sean Fennessey?

  September 18th.

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, again, I don't, this is a movie podcast, so I don't really do TV shows, but that.

• 1:08:54Sean Fennessey?

  Catherine Hahn, though.

• 1:08:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it about grief again?

• 1:08:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, what's the famous quote where you did the punch up on that episode of WandaVision where that quote came in, right? Grief is just like the soul revolving through time.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  But then you listen to the watch and you're just like.

• 1:09:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Because I like knowing what's going on with my guys.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 1:09:11Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, and, you know, I listen to rewatchables also, so that's how I learn about your food stuff.

• 1:09:17Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Worst Person in the World nominated for Best Original Screenplay. I remember cheering when that happened. I was clapping. I was very happy. I really like the screenplay. I like the story a lot. I like how the self-recrimination of the Anders Danielson lie character when he's at the end of his life and he's like, what did I do? Which is like, watched a cool movie and read cool books. Is that all my life is? And then he died.

• 1:09:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:41Sean Fennessey?

  And I was like, well, at least I have representation on screen, you know, and I really appreciate that. Uh, wonderful movie.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  So you did Worst Person in the World for drama?

• 1:09:50Sean Fennessey?

  I did. Got another pick.

• 1:09:54Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. In action horror thriller, I will take malignant.

• 1:10:01Speaker 04

  I was waiting for this and I was wondering if Amanda had seen it.

• 1:10:03Sean Fennessey?

  Do you know about malignant?

• 1:10:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you tell me about it?

• 1:10:07Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so. So the thing with malignant was it was also a day and date movie. Very similar to what we just did with Alien Romulus where we couldn't see the movie until basically the morning of. So we watched the movie and then came into the studio and Chris and I recorded a podcast about malignant, which is an original horror movie from James Wan, who of course is arguably the signature voice of horror in the last 20 years. And written by Akil Cooper, who wrote Megan. And it's about, what would you say it's about?

• 1:10:35Speaker 04

  A lady with a friend?

• 1:10:37Sean Fennessey?

  A lady with a friend. Good way to put it. And I think we both were a little mystified by it and also watched it at 8:30 in the morning.

• 1:10:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was a wrong time to see it.

• 1:10:45Sean Fennessey?

  And then I rewatched it like a couple of weeks later after many people who I trust were like, you're way off base. Cause we were like, this is cool. It's fine. It's okay. It feels flawed. And then we watched it again at night and was like, oh, I see.

• 1:10:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:10:59Sean Fennessey?

  I was off on this for sure. This is really fun and crazy and chaotic and beautiful. And I like it a lot. Annabelle Wallace, great performance as the lead.

• 1:11:12Sean Fennessey?

  This movie totally got buried by the straight to streaming thing.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:16Sean Fennessey?

  It has a culty following.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  I think it could have, like if you imagine putting it out in the summer of long legs, the summer of Romulus, you know, like could have really done some stuff.

• 1:11:25Sean Fennessey?

  I think there's a world where 10 years from now, it's like there's rep screenings and the cast is reuniting. And it's a really crazy fun movie. So that's my horror pick.

• 1:11:34Speaker 04

  Okay. So those are your two.

• 1:11:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Mandy, you're up.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Mandy, you're up.

• 1:11:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I made a strategic mistake. Um, and that's okay. Because you know, we're all imperfect and I really needed to focus on the plastic baby. I could have taken what I'm going to take an Oscar nominee, an action horror thriller.

• 1:11:55Amanda Dobbins?

  But I don't have a better Oscar nominee now because I just Googled a bunch and learned that French Dispatch was not nominated for a single Oscar.

• 1:12:05Sean Fennessey?

  It's tough.

• 1:12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That is tough. So in Oscar nominee, I will take The Lost Daughter. Which is technically a thriller, but this is Maggie Gyllenhaal's adaptation of the Elena Ferrante novel, starring Olivia Colman, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Paul Mescal, Sarsgaard, Doug Marr, Dominique, like, everyone shows up. I really like this movie. I think I like this movie more than any Elena Ferrante novel that I've actually read, even though I do think they're great. But I, it's, it's a great work of both adaptation and translation.

• 1:12:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And brings like the feeling that you get reading these novels. It's just, this is kind of like, why, like, but why are you doing this? But I'm still sort of completely sucked in by you and I want to know why you're doing this. Obviously, like, a great, you know, off the wall, Olivia Colman performance, as they all are. And another thing where it was like released late in the year and I think sort of underseen, but if you haven't, if you haven't checked it out, very worthwhile.

• 1:13:17Sean Fennessey?

  I was a big fan as well. Very good. And her next movie will be a Bride of Frankenstein movie. How do you feel about that?

• 1:13:24Speaker 04

  It's fine. I'm not a really big Frankenstein person, but that's cool.

• 1:13:28Sean Fennessey?

  Because you don't want to have to think about God's role in creation?

• 1:13:31Speaker 04

  You know, I don't really go for the, the Universal Monster verse stuff. Like, that stuff's never really either scared me or interested in me, interested me as like stories. So like all the Mummy, Frankenstein, even like bad Camp Dracula stuff.

• 1:13:50Sean Fennessey?

  You're saying Bela Lugosi's Dracula's camp?

• 1:13:53Speaker 04

  Just anything where he's got like the slick, slick hair, pointy chin. He's like, ooh, I call me to suck your blood. That stuff.

• 1:14:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's a shame.

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  Like Nosferatu, Gary Oldman, Bram Stoker, yes. You know, Lothario Vampire.

• 1:14:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You'll be in Nosferatu Countdown at this point.

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Sean Fennessey?

  Something tells me I will have already seen it by the time this posts.

• 1:14:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but I just mean in creating an atmosphere for this podcast, sorry to help you with your job.

• 1:14:25Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't help me at all.

• 1:14:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  You went from being like, kind of trying to have fun and be nice earlier. And then you're like, being super mean to the pregnant lady.

• 1:14:37Sean Fennessey?

  What was mean? What did I say that was mean?

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  You didn't help me at all?

• 1:14:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I was trying to hype you up for Nosferatu. Like, you're psyched, man. You've been waiting all year for it, December 25th.

• 1:14:45Speaker 04

  I will have already seen that shit.

• 1:14:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, Christmas is in the air. I'm like, you want to get a little countdown now going on the bottom of the screen? This many days to Nosferatu?

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  Counterclockwise.

• 1:14:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:55Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe we should do a.

• 1:14:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I think you should.

• 1:14:57Sean Fennessey?

  A countdown clock.

• 1:14:58Amanda Dobbins?

  You could do a little advent calendar, but for Nosferatu and it's all your weird shit.

• 1:15:02Sean Fennessey?

  What weird shit? These are the stories that people love.

• 1:15:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:05Sean Fennessey?

  Except for Chris, who doesn't like Bela Lugosi's Dracula. I don't, Todd Browning's Dracula. Come on, bro.

• 1:15:11Sean Fennessey?

  Such a disappointment to me sometimes. Um, I think, I think you're up.

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  Did you just go?

• 1:15:16Amanda Dobbins?

  What did you pick?

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  No, did you just go?

• 1:15:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:19Speaker 04

  What did you pick?

• 1:15:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I picked The Lost Daughter.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  I'll take.

• 1:15:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And I talked about adaptation.

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  I'll be completely honest with you guys. In comedy, I'm going against the grain, against the wind. And I'm taking House of Gucci.

• 1:15:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I rewatched it last night and honestly, if I didn't get Chiva Baby, I was gonna put it in comedy.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  It's very, very, very funny.

• 1:15:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  I think I laughed louder out loud in my seat.

• 1:15:42Amanda Dobbins?

  This is also.

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  Like a pigeon.

• 1:15:44Amanda Dobbins?

  This is also like, I don't Gladiator 2 is out in the world now, which means no matter what, we've had another Ridley discourse. Which is like, to quote Sir Ridley himself, in spirit, if not in actuality, like, go fuck yourselves. Ridley's great at making movies.

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  Uh, I completely agree.

• 1:16:00Sean Fennessey?

  He, uh, he cooked through the alien Romulus.

• 1:16:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, amazing stuff.

• 1:16:05Speaker 04

  What do you think about the rumor that Paul Thomas Anderson rewrote Napoleon for Joaquin Phoenix?

• 1:16:09Sean Fennessey?

  I buy it a million percent.

• 1:16:11Amanda Dobbins?

  The, the boats line and also the lamb chop is my divine right.

• 1:16:16Sean Fennessey?

  Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon.

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  Why then?

• 1:16:19Sean Fennessey?

  Two movies that he is reported to have either ghostwritten or done a heavy polish on. Two movies about dumb guys ensorcelled by beautiful women that lead them to making catastrophic mistakes in their life. This is the Paul Thomas Anderson signature.

• 1:16:37Speaker 04

  But does it matter that Napoleon was a, not a great film? Not a?

• 1:16:41Sean Fennessey?

  I like it. I think it's good.

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:16:43Sean Fennessey?

  It's not great, but it's good.

• 1:16:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I like House of Gucci. I like Napoleon.

• 1:16:47Speaker 04

  I do. I like them. I think we all wanted more from Napoleon, did we not?

• 1:16:51Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it could have been better.

• 1:16:52Amanda Dobbins?

  When are we getting the four hour thing?

• 1:16:54Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know.

• 1:16:54Speaker 04

  I know. I was just asking about this.

• 1:16:56Sean Fennessey?

  It got rated, right? So we know it exists.

• 1:16:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:16:59Sean Fennessey?

  Hopefully soon. Would you actually watch it in full? Cause you never watched The Kingdom of Heaven one in full, right?

• 1:17:04Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but.

• 1:17:05Sean Fennessey?

  Would you like, Napoleon and Kingdom of Heaven are kind of similar.

• 1:17:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah. Cause it's just like a lot more battle sequences.

• 1:17:11Sean Fennessey?

  But it, and it's just like, there's something great here, but it's not great.

• 1:17:14Amanda Dobbins?

  They cut out a lot of Josephine stuff, so I like Vanessa Kirby. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:17:18Speaker 04

  That's right. They must have. Why would she have done that movie to be like in two scenes?

• 1:17:21Sean Fennessey?

  I think she's very good. I think that movie's a little misunderstood. I, I think a lot of people were thrown off because Joaquin is doing a very weird Joaquin thing. And if you had just ca, um, who's a, who's the right actor to even make this reference about? I don't even know who's, who's a thirty something British or French actor? Who would be an interesting casting as Napoleon right now? Help me out.

• 1:17:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but like.

• 1:17:46Sean Fennessey?

  This is kind of a good game.

• 1:17:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:47Sean Fennessey?

  Joaquin's way too old.

• 1:17:48Speaker 04

  I, I think at the time, like would Taron Edgerton be in the conversation?

• 1:17:52Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  Too young?

• 1:17:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Too.

• 1:17:55Sean Fennessey?

  He's like a short, blustery Brit.

• 1:17:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I guess so. But I mean, Napoleon wasn't British, so there's some conflict there.

• 1:18:03Sean Fennessey?

  He wasn't from California either, but you know, Ridley didn't seem to care about that.

• 1:18:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:18:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's a, it's a good game. I, I can't think of anybody off the top of my head, but there's gotta be somebody out there who's like a little bit rumpled, but a little bit defiant.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  Jeremy Allen White.

• 1:18:22Sean Fennessey?

  What if he was Napoleon as Wolverine?

• 1:18:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:25Sean Fennessey?

  Would you, would you be into that? Anyway.

• 1:18:27Speaker 04

  Uh, so I'll take House of Gucci. It's just, the Jared Leto, uh, Al Pacino stuff in that movie is so fucking funny, even if Adam Driver is like, I am in a tortured young man movie.

• 1:18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  And then what to do with horror? Because it's a great horror year in terms of like it being satisfying. Like it was like, I think I felt like once or twice a month, there was a new like weird streaming horror thing to watch with, uh, with my buddy, my, my partner in scares, Sean Fantasy, or my wife, who also loves.

• 1:18:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I thought that was gonna be a Phoebe intro.

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  So why don't I, I'll just take one that I happen to love. Um, I'm gonna grab Paranormal Activity Next of Kin.

• 1:19:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Underrated.

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  Which is about a woman who's going to look for her biological family in Amish country.

• 1:19:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this, this movie honestly rocked.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  It's William Eubank.

• 1:19:19Sean Fennessey?

  I, I fired it up on Paramount Plus the day it came out.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  Land of Bad.

• 1:19:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and underwater.

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. Honestly, truly one of my favorite directors of this decade.

• 1:19:27Sean Fennessey?

  He, he has not lost yet.

• 1:19:29Speaker 04

  She's in Amish country. And then she finds all these letters from her mom being like, don't come here. And then the Amish people are in a cult and there's an, like a demon.

• 1:19:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:19:41Speaker 04

  But it's incre- it's really well done.

• 1:19:45Sean Fennessey?

  If you had to guess, how many Paranormal Activity movies have there been?

• 1:19:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Seven.

• 1:19:52Sean Fennessey?

  There have been exactly seven. This was the seventh and the last one to come along.

• 1:19:56Speaker 04

  Wow. No, and now since, haven't they done a reboot? So wouldn't there be eight?

• 1:20:01Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so.

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  Oh, maybe that was insidious. I'm thinking of A, Case, Paranormal Activity, uh, Next of Kin for my horror. Um, so I, this, yeah.

• 1:20:10Sean Fennessey?

  When is our Land of Bad pod?

• 1:20:13Speaker 04

  The day she gives birth.

• 1:20:16Sean Fennessey?

  Livestream.

• 1:20:19Sean Fennessey?

  We explain Land of Bad to Amanda and her new child.

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  He's a drone pilot.

• 1:20:26Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay, Amanda, you've got a pick.

• 1:20:28Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. I finally resolved my inner conflict, uh, in action horror thriller. I'm just gonna take no time to die, which as I was rereading all the people who were in it, I was like, oh yeah, I liked this and I liked this. I, again, the whole Rami Malek plot, I don't know what that was about, but I did like the opening.

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  Fifty percent of the movie, right?

• 1:20:48Speaker 04

  So first 10 minutes, a large part of the end.

• 1:20:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, what does happen? Oh, yeah, he's.

• 1:20:55Speaker 04

  They're in like a North Korean missile bunker.

• 1:20:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, right, right. And he's like, I need to find it. And Leia City was like, no.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  There's a lot of poison flowers, right?

• 1:21:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. But, you know, the beginning is good. Leia City looks great throughout. She's, she's wonderful. I like Christoph Waltz. Um, I like Daniel Craig.

• 1:21:14Sean Fennessey?

  Did you, you just pronounced Christoph Waltz like Jared Leto in House.

• 1:21:22Amanda Dobbins?

  That when I was watching it, it's amazing how Jeremy Irons literally is just being Jeremy Irons. And then he'll just add like, uh, you know, A, like on every fifth line, like the most. But he looks so beautiful in all the scarves. So it doesn't really matter.

• 1:21:36Sean Fennessey?

  I'm here, Jeremy Irons, and I have brought with me my pasaporte.

• 1:21:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, remember when Jeremy Irons was in The Beekeeper?

• 1:21:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:21:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You think he'll draft The Beekeeper in three years?

• 1:21:47Speaker 04

  I think it'll be the last pod we ever do, because Sean and I will beat the shit out of each other for the right to draft The Beekeeper.

• 1:21:53Sean Fennessey?

  Where is it in my top 20 of the year so far? Is it in my top 20? I think it is. I think it is. I added it because I felt like I, you know, I keep a best of, running best of that I keep private on Letterboxd. You guys can't see it, but I added it like two months ago.

• 1:22:11Sean Fennessey?

  Because I remembered how much, how much fun I had seeing it.

• 1:22:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Bobby Wagner and I, we saw it together.

• 1:22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:17Sean Fennessey?

  And the whole time I was hooting and hollering. I was like, this is just so fun. And then I think I might have told the story in the pod, went home, fired up Letterboxd to log it. And Bob had already logged it and gave it one star.

• 1:22:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:27Sean Fennessey?

  And I was like, you goddamn son of a, how could you do this? I gave it three stars.

• 1:22:33Speaker 04

  Maybe, I don't think Bobby appreciated the way it lionized the defense community.

• 1:22:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I mean, if they finally told us about The Beekeeper Society, we needed to know.

• 1:22:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Are they doing a sequel?

• 1:22:44Speaker 04

  I, I.

• 1:22:45Amanda Dobbins?

  And is Mini Driver still alive in that universe to be a part of it?

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  She is. I mean, she's still there.

• 1:22:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  I didn't see her whole Table manners episode, so I don't know if she's aware that she was in The Beekeeper.

• 1:22:56Speaker 04

  It felt like a real like, pick up the phone and say this side and then you're done.

• 1:22:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Who did she throw under the bus for his surfing etiquette?

• 1:23:01Speaker 04

  Diplo.

• 1:23:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Oh, that's so good.

• 1:23:05Sean Fennessey?

  David Aaron, Jason Statham are at work on another film right now.

• 1:23:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:08Sean Fennessey?

  The name of that film is Levon's Trade.

• 1:23:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, what is his trade?

• 1:23:13Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you'll have to find out because this film was co-written by Sylvester Stallone.

• 1:23:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 1:23:17Speaker 04

  Do you think you'll name your child Levon?

• 1:23:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, that's it.

• 1:23:20Sean Fennessey?

  And he shall be Levon.

• 1:23:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you predicted it. Congratulations.

• 1:23:26Speaker 04

  That's, that's my favorite.

• 1:23:27Amanda Dobbins?

  He's here.

• 1:23:29Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:23:31Speaker 04

  It's Sean's turn.

• 1:23:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:33Sean Fennessey?

  I've got two picks. Well, I've got to take a blockbuster. And so of course I'm taking Venom, Let There Be Carnage, which I just thought was delightful. And it was directed by Andy Serkis, chaotically at best. Really enjoyed everything he had to say on the podcast. He came on and he was just like the most energetic and charming person. Unrelated but related, I was looking at the For You on X.com today. And I was served a video of Andy Serkis on Stephen Colbert reading Donald Trump tweets in the Gollum voice. And it was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And he got up and he was standing on the chair. So he was like Gollum sized. You're not, you're not.

• 1:24:16Speaker 04

  I'm actually thinking about what was on my For You. And it was Hawk to a girl at the Mets because I watched that Salika clip. And then Hawk to a girl throughout the first pitch at a Mets game.

• 1:24:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Speaker 04

  And they lost. And then she did a press conference after.

• 1:24:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I saw the press conference and people were mad about the press conference. Let's see what's on my For You right now.

• 1:24:34Sean Fennessey?

  Like, all of these chaotic 48 year old talk radio hosts in New York were like so scandalized by this. But then it also was revealed that she did it to raise money for like a dog shelter and it's like at her cause and she's like using her 15 minutes to save dogs. And I'm like, everybody just relax. Like, we don't have to moralize about the Hawk to a girl anymore than has already been moralized, you know? Like, Chris is in a meaningful, committed relationship with her. It's great. Like, there's no problem with everything that she's doing.

• 1:25:02Speaker 04

  What if in December I had gotten a divorce?

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  And it was like, I was like, her name, Hawk to Orion.

• 1:25:15Speaker 04

  And we just had a dog shelter.

• 1:25:18Sean Fennessey?

  Mom, Dad, this is my wife, Hawk Tua.

• 1:25:25Sean Fennessey?

  By the way, when this episode comes out,

• 1:25:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I just like whatever, whatever happened with her, like whatever's come out since then, whatever she said.

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  Whatever happened to the Mets?

• 1:25:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Whatever anyone else said.

• 1:25:37Sean Fennessey?

  In Kamala's cabinet, or she's gonna be like, you know, at Sing Sing, you know, she's like been imprisoned for all of her crimes. She seems like a nice person. I don't have nothing to say about her. I wish you guys a lot of happiness together. So Venom, what there be carnage, very normal.

• 1:25:53Speaker 04

  Hey, Hawk, to have you seen Bear on the water?

• 1:25:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Next of kin.

• 1:26:00Sean Fennessey?

  You should be asking her, have you seen Licorice Pizza?

• 1:26:02Speaker 04

  That's true. The age difference, is that what you're saying?

• 1:26:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:05Speaker 04

  Oh, geez. You can negotiate the gap.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  Right? No? What do you think a man is gonna protest the relationship?

• 1:26:16Sean Fennessey?

  Right outside his house, by the way.

• 1:26:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I would take Phoebe's side on that one.

• 1:26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, thanks.

• 1:26:19Sean Fennessey?

  You just say happily married?

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  Happily married.

• 1:26:21Sean Fennessey?

  It's good. It's gonna be clear up. I'm sure the listeners appreciate it. In wildcard, I'm taking Velvet Underground.

• 1:26:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you think the hot?

• 1:26:34Amanda Dobbins?

  He's an avid Big Picture.

• 1:26:37Sean Fennessey?

  Probably. Probably a big fan. She's da bob.

• 1:26:45Sean Fennessey?

  You think she's ever heard one of your pods?

• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  I just laugh. I'm just can you imagine if she was like, I love this pod. It's a way for me to get away from it all.

• 1:26:55Sean Fennessey?

  When I'm doing dishes, you know, on a long walk, but I've got a road trip. There's nothing I like more than firing up the watch.

• 1:27:01Speaker 04

  I have a real letterbox. Not just Hawk to a girl, you know? I love, I love the French Dispatch.

• 1:27:08Sean Fennessey?

  More of a sports card nonsense listener, I would imagine. In wildcard, I'm taking Velvet Underground. Todd Haynes's documentary.

• 1:27:15Speaker 04

  Look great in my eyes, because you know, I got that in. Didn't I take that at auction one year and then also named it my best film of 2021?

• 1:27:24Sean Fennessey?

  Have you both cried this much in like decades?

• 1:27:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, cuz I watched Father of the Bride while pregnant recently, but you know, this is number two.

• 1:27:34Sean Fennessey?

  What happens at the end of that movie?

• 1:27:36Amanda Dobbins?

  She calls in the airport, like you, like you wouldn't cry. Now, if you watch this, she's like, hey dad, just wanna tell you that I love you. Aw, and he's in the perfect house and yeah.

• 1:27:47Sean Fennessey?

  I only cried this year at the movie Imaginary about the little girl named Alice with her imaginary doll.

• 1:27:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Chauncey! You're not my friend!

• 1:27:58Sean Fennessey?

  It's really important that we have this document of you finally losing the thread. Yeah, yeah. Which Amanda has committed to memory. She's quoting it openly, six months.

• 1:28:07Amanda Dobbins?

  But he's imaginary.

• 1:28:10Speaker 04

  Okay, uh, wait, so Sean, you drafted?

• 1:28:13Sean Fennessey?

  Velvet Underground.

• 1:28:14Speaker 04

  And Velvet Underground.

• 1:28:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you wanna speak on it?

• 1:28:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's a, a brilliant reinvention of the music documentary form. Todd Haynes takes it apart and puts it back together, gets some people to participate who are members of the band and a lot of people who are in the surrounding worlds. Obviously, if it's the band that everyone says, Launch a Thousand Bands. Amy Talbott talking about her cool life in the 60s and, um, being, I'm not afraid to say it frankly, incredibly hot. And that was jarring to learn, but, uh, it's just a, a very dynamic movie where you can see like a lot of the handmade gestures that Haynes is deploying to put you back into that time period. It's super cool.

• 1:28:52Speaker 04

  The, the dueling frames of like the Kale side and the Reed side.

• 1:28:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like you get an image of Chauncey.

• 1:28:59Amanda Dobbins?

  All the little signs I'm gonna put on your lawn when you marry Hawk to a girl in protest.

• 1:29:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Like a ton of little...

• 1:29:12Amanda Dobbins?

  All the Peewee's side sign.

• 1:29:13Speaker 04

  Nevertheless, be persistent.

• 1:29:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Honestly, that's contagious.

• 1:29:32Amanda Dobbins?

  It's my pick. And I was gonna like-

• 1:29:34Speaker 04

  I was in the middle of dapping him up. John C. Cale and Blue Reed, the two ways of approaching art.

• 1:29:41Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think Hawk Tuohy saw the Velvet Underground doc? You think she thought it was like a meaningful representation of their story?

• 1:29:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:29:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I don't even know. I was gonna do a whole big emotional speech about Come On, Come On, which is my wild card, which is a wonderful, wonderful Mike Mills movie. Uh, starring Joaquin Phoenix, um, who plays the uncle of a young kid and whose parents are going through it. And so Joaquin and the young kid, you know, form a, form a bond. Um, and I think I saw this movie like maybe a month after I found out that we were having knocks. And it just like absolutely bowled me over and bowled Zach over as well. Like we saw it together. Um, but it's beautiful. It kind of also went under the radar.

• 1:30:33Sean Fennessey?

  It really did. I think, you know, it's a movie that played in theaters and it's actually before A24 had a distribution deal with HBO. They were still a showtime. And I wonder if this movie went to HBO, if it would have had a chance to have more of a life. Cause I do feel like it's a little bit forgotten, a little bit cast aside.

• 1:30:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I love it. And

• 1:30:59Amanda Dobbins?

  that's it. That's all the earnest things I have to say.

• 1:31:01Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Chris, you've got your final pick?

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  I'm taking card counter.

• 1:31:09Speaker 04

  We saw this together. That was pretty sick.

• 1:31:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great movie.

• 1:31:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:13Sean Fennessey?

  This was a good movie year.

• 1:31:14Speaker 04

  This is a really good, this movie is awesome. Uh, Oscar Isaac as a-

• 1:31:20Sean Fennessey?

  Did you relate more to Oscar Isaac's character, character or Ty Sheridan's character?

• 1:31:23Speaker 04

  I'd more to Tiffany Haddish's character.

• 1:31:25Sean Fennessey?

  I see. Okay. Cool.

• 1:31:27Speaker 04

  Tiffany Haddish was in a Paul Schrader movie. That's pretty-

• 1:31:29Sean Fennessey?

  Wouldn't say she was the best part of the movie.

• 1:31:31Speaker 04

  No. But yeah, I had a bunch of others, but this, this is probably my next favorite one.

• 1:31:38Sean Fennessey?

  Was, do you think it was an accurate representation of Abu Ghraib?

• 1:31:42Speaker 04

  No, but I was gonna ask you whether or not it changed your relationship to poker.

• 1:31:45Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's, I think it's, there's something chillingly accurate about.

• 1:31:50Speaker 04

  Did he play poker or blackjack in this?

• 1:31:51Sean Fennessey?

  I think he does a bit of gambling. It's mostly poker.

• 1:31:53Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:31:54Sean Fennessey?

  And it was poker that got him interested in writing this story. But you know, the locked down, nobody talked to me. I don't know how to relate to anybody.

• 1:32:00Speaker 04

  All those sheets on his furniture and then he tortures people and they play poker.

• 1:32:04Sean Fennessey?

  That's what I do every time I come in to record with Amanda. Just cover all the furniture as best as possible, just to avoid the tear stains.

• 1:32:11Speaker 04

  What's, uh, what's up now?

• 1:32:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You can still see the tear streaks.

• 1:32:16Sean Fennessey?

  I know you're such an emotional guy.

• 1:32:18Speaker 04

  I'm not. That's why I'm laughing about Hawk Two.

• 1:32:20Sean Fennessey?

  I'm on it. It's like, I'm on my third pod of the day, you know?

• 1:32:23Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:32:24Amanda Dobbins?

  So I'm on my second. Well, how do you think we got here?

• 1:32:26Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good point. Yeah. Should we always record these late in the day after multiple pods? Shall we recap?

• 1:32:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:33Sean Fennessey?

  Chris, you wanna go first?

• 1:32:34Speaker 04

  Sure. In drama, I took No Sudden Move. In comedy, I took House of Gucci. In Oscar nominee, I took Nightmare Alley. In horror, action, thriller, I took Paranormal Activity, colon, next of kin.

• 1:32:51Sean Fennessey?

  Remarkable pick.

• 1:32:52Speaker 04

  Blockbuster, I took Dune. Wildcard, I took Card Counter.

• 1:32:56Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, you wanna recap?

• 1:32:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. In drama, I took The Souvenir Part Two. In comedy, I took Shiva Baby. In Oscar nominee, I took The Lost Daughter. In action, horror, thriller, after much debate, I took No Time To Die. In blockbuster, I took a Spider-Man movie, No Way Home. And in wild card, I took Come On, Come On.

• 1:33:14Sean Fennessey?

  In drama, I took The Worst Person In The World. In comedy, I took Licorice Pizza. In Oscar nominee, I took West Side Story. In action, horror, thriller, I took Malignant. In blockbuster, I took Venom, Let There Be Carnage, normal pick. In wild card, I took Velvet Underground, the documentary. Do you feel?

• 1:33:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Me and Hawk Two, it goes Christmas time.

• 1:33:42Amanda Dobbins?

  We were just like, see you at the movies.

• 1:33:46Sean Fennessey?

  But you're both holding spirit off ISIS in your hand.

• 1:33:50Sean Fennessey?

  Cheers to you on another wonderful year.

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  Much change in the Ryan household. No, I'm kidding. And I also don't want to be disrespectful. She's obviously, she's doing great things.

• 1:34:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, independent lady, you know?

• 1:34:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:34:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:06Sean Fennessey?

  You think she's a role model?

• 1:34:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Like I said, we have no knowledge of anything that has happened from this date until December, whatever.

• 1:34:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:34:16Sean Fennessey?

  I think she's literally like in the Department of Transportation in the White House right now.

• 1:34:22Speaker 04

  This will be the all time, uh, episode topper you have to do.

• 1:34:30Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't want to delete the last 29 minutes of the pod with some references to,

• 1:34:36Sean Fennessey?

  recently deported world-class criminal Ha Tua, who's been sent back to Bogota after many years of infiltrating the US government by a viral sensation. That was pretty good. I think I'm ready for it.

• 1:34:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:51Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, weird pod. I don't know what else to say. I hope you and your family are doing well at this moment in time.

• 1:34:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know why you need to do this so threateningly.

• 1:35:01Amanda Dobbins?

  My Christmas party is this weekend.

• 1:35:03Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I was gonna ask you about that. Will you be doing it?

• 1:35:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna try.

• 1:35:06Sean Fennessey?

  And you're just a maniac.

• 1:35:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so here's the thing.

• 1:35:09Sean Fennessey?

  I literally was thinking about this this weekend.

• 1:35:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I know, but people are thinking about it. And I had another friend who like two months ago was like, which weekend do you think it's gonna be? Because I like wanna plan travel around it. And I was really moved by that.

• 1:35:22Sean Fennessey?

  I, this is what I was thinking about it. I was like, will I be home for the, for the Baron Davin's Christmas party?

• 1:35:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I hope so. If it's this week, I mean.

• 1:35:29Sean Fennessey?

  Well, okay.

• 1:35:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, because you guys are gonna go early?

• 1:35:32Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I lead a very interesting life and I'll tell you more about it off the mic. But, one, throwing a party with a child under three months, God bless. Two, putting this on the pod.

• 1:35:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:45Sean Fennessey?

  You know, this show has roughly 180 million listeners. There's like a lot of people, roughly,

• 1:35:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:51Sean Fennessey?

  who might want, who might wanna, who might think that they should have been invited to previous parties. Like, you have now just revealed that you throw a party.

• 1:35:59Amanda Dobbins?

  We've talked about the party before. It's this, it's, you know.

• 1:36:01Speaker 04

  Do you think you would invite both Phoebe and Ha Tua?

• 1:36:06Speaker 04

  Or is that gonna be weird?

• 1:36:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm on the record, Phoebe, yeah, and Phoebe brings the cookies.

• 1:36:14Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:36:14Amanda Dobbins?

  So we can't have the party without the cookies. I don't know what Hawk 2 is bringing. Yeah, I think we can do one thing.

• 1:36:22Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, well, Amanda, thanks. Thanks for your efforts here on the pod, Chris. Very good job by you as well.

• 1:36:32Speaker 04

  Is this the last pod of the year?

• 1:36:35Sean Fennessey?

  It's the last pod ever, coincidentally. I'd like to thank Alia's and Harrison, Jack Sanders for sitting there and enduring this.

• 1:36:43Speaker 04

  I can't tell. I couldn't really see Alia's face or Jack's face because of the equipment, but it was, there was a lot of something happening over there. They were either happy or sad.

• 1:36:51Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm. They've alerted Phoebe of all the contents of this conversation. I'd like to thank Bobby Wagner, our producer, for his work on this episode. We'll see you. Let's see what I've.

• 1:37:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I have it up. Yeah, I have it up. So the next one, don't worry, it's a Lord of the Rings movie.

• 1:37:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:37:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but you're not on it.

• 1:37:06Speaker 04

  Animated one?

• 1:37:07Amanda Dobbins?

  The War of.

• 1:37:08Speaker 04

  The Rohirrim.

• 1:37:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So who are they?

• 1:37:11Speaker 04

  Horse guys. They're the Horse Lords.

• 1:37:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:37:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they appear in the, in the original trilogy.

• 1:37:16Speaker 04

  Even though it's animated, Sean and I, every Christmas, there's a Hobbit movie out. We go see it.

• 1:37:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:37:21Amanda Dobbins?

  So what will you do now?

• 1:37:22Sean Fennessey?

  Ice each other.

• 1:37:25Amanda Dobbins?

  No, you're not. The next one that you're on is honestly, start the countdown. It's Nosferatu.

• 1:37:30Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Not my Dracula.

• 1:37:35Sean Fennessey?

  Will you be protesting Nosferatu?

• 1:37:37Speaker 04

  No, that's my Dracula.

• 1:37:38Sean Fennessey?

  That is your Dracula. He's not Dracula.

• 1:37:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I have both been.

• 1:37:41Speaker 04

  He's the inspiration for it, though.

• 1:37:42Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:37:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Have been written off the Complete Unknown podcast for daring to open our hearts.

• 1:37:48Sean Fennessey?

  Who's been written off of it?

• 1:37:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Both Chris and I.

• 1:37:51Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you want to be on it?

• 1:37:52Amanda Dobbins?

  A complete unknown?

• 1:37:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, listen, I'm the only living person who likes to walk the line.

• 1:37:56Sean Fennessey?

  The person who shouldn't be on it is me.

• 1:37:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, we know.

• 1:38:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's see how it goes.

• 1:38:02Sean Fennessey?

  More and more people are asking me about a complete unknown.

• 1:38:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:05Sean Fennessey?

  They're coming up to me and they're saying, "Thank you for your good works. What do you think of this Bob Dylan movie?" And increasingly, can I tell you something? I've actually been getting Alice to listen to Bob Dylan for real. And she's like, "We listen to dad music now." So like, we used to dance to Princess songs. And now she's like, "Would you please play Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands?" And then she tries to dance to it, but she can't really dance to that.

• 1:38:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:25Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's like the first thing I've been like, "I'm gonna intercept this." And it worked. We'll see how long it lasts, but.

• 1:38:31Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, that's beautiful.

• 1:38:32Sean Fennessey?

  So maybe she should be on, on the pod.

• 1:38:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I would love, I honestly think that Alice would give a great review.

• 1:38:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Well, Chris, you're, you're welcome to any episode here if you want. But I know you have a heavy load, heavy burden that you carry. Cause you're also alimony for your ex-wife and then Haktua's lifestyle. And she's come to appreciate nice things.

• 1:38:57Sean Fennessey?

  So it's a lot to ask.

• 1:38:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You're joint sponsors.

• 1:39:00Speaker 04

  She's anti-fast fashion.

• 1:39:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's just Gucci and Prada for her.

• 1:39:06Speaker 04

  No, it's like really quality vintage, you know, and purchases.

• 1:39:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:39:12Sean Fennessey?

  What does that mean? Like you take her to secondhand stores?

• 1:39:17Sean Fennessey?

  She's a secondhand?

• 1:39:17Speaker 04

  I take her to Beckett's Closet and like anything you want under $200.

• 1:39:28Sean Fennessey?

  All right, well, thanks, everybody for checking out this episode.

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