Monica Barbaro

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• 0:00Josh Horowitz?

  Worst noted director has ever given you?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Don't think actors aren't supposed to think.

• 0:04Josh Horowitz?

  Come on.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 0:07Josh Horowitz?

  Was that the face you gave in response to that?

• 0:10Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 0:12Josh Horowitz?

  You want to name names?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Um, I do, but here's the biggest flex. I don't even remember his name.

• 0:16Josh Horowitz?

  Love it. There it is.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  We could find it out because I could say what project it was, but no, I'm not going to say it. I don't remember his name and he does not deserve the shout out.

• 0:25Speaker 02

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

• 0:32Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Today on the show, a first time guest, Monica Barbaro is in the house. Of course, you know her from A Complete Unknown, for which she was Oscar nominated, Top Gun Maverick, and her new film, the rom com, One Night Only. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, however you want to do it is fine by me, as long as you subscribe. Today's guest is Monica Barbaro, who is somebody that certainly has been on my radar the last few years. She really came to the fore, I guess, first in Top Gun Maverick, but then really took it to the next level with that amazing performance as Joan Baez in A Complete Unknown. She had no serious musical training. She was not a singer. She was not a guitar player, and yet somehow

• 1:18Josh Horowitz?

  killed it in that film. I'm so impressed by that performance. And since then, she is reaping the rewards. She's got quite a career going. Her new film is One Night Only, which is a big, old school rom com, coming out in the summer on the big screen. Imagine that. It's her and Callum Turner. It is a bizarre high concept. I will say this, if you don't know already, this is about the one night in a year in this society, in this alternate universe, where folks are allowed to have sex, premarital sex is only allowed one night a year. So yes, it is The Purge, but with sex instead of death. So it's a bizarre concept, but at its core, it is kind of like an old school rom com, and Monica and Callum are very charming in it.

• 1:59Josh Horowitz?

  She's got a lot going on. She's in the new Luca Guadagnino film, Artificial, which is coming out, I believe, later this year. She was just cast in the new Ocean's prequel with Bradley Cooper and Margot Robbie. A lot going on for this young actor. I'm thrilled to have her on the podcast for the first time. Before we get to that, quick reminder, as always, patreon.com/happysadconfused. Over there, you get early access to every single episode we do here, twice a week, early access, plus access to our live events in New York and LA, autographed merch, all sorts of cool stuff. Supporting us over there helps us make more over here. I'll always say that. Okay, without any further ado, this is a fun one. I'm so happy to have this up and coming actor who, I mean, she's not up and coming. She's an Oscar nominee, but she's, she's really killing it, and I'm happy to have her here finally.

• 2:45Josh Horowitz?

  It's me and Monica Barbaro. Monica, welcome to Happy Sad Confused.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 2:52Josh Horowitz?

  I'm thrilled to have you here, tracking you for a while from afar. When's it going to be time to get Monica on? Now is the time it's happening.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Now it's happening today.

• 3:01Josh Horowitz?

  Congratulations on the film. We're going to talk about a lot of things. One Night Only, insane, fun, like, I don't know how this movie exists. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. But like I was saying to you before, I've been kind of circling you, like I did, I was on that aircraft carrier, by the way, for the Top Gun premiere.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 3:19Josh Horowitz?

  I was the guy at the front when Tom landed.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:22Josh Horowitz?

  We were hosting that. MTV was hosting it.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 3:25Josh Horowitz?

  I thought I was going to be decapitated by a helicopter that he's landing in.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  You did your own stunts.

• 3:29Josh Horowitz?

  Exactly.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 3:30Josh Horowitz?

  But from your perspective, so you went through that madness of production, premieres, the Top Gun thing.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:37Josh Horowitz?

  Were you just like immune to it all by that point? Like, oh yeah, he's just going to land in a helicopter. That's what my friend Tom Cruise does.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Actually, yeah, that was probably the not, the

• 3:49Speaker 01

  compared to what we'd done, that felt a little bit more like run of the mill Tom.

• 3:53Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:54Josh Horowitz?

  This tracks.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it, it was like, oh yeah, of course. I mean, it was still exciting in the moment, but I, that's not the thing I remember from that day, just because that's kind of, it's, it's the same as seeing a person drive up in their car a little bit.

• 4:10Josh Horowitz?

  For him, that's the equivalent.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:12Josh Horowitz?

  Do you, do you get, like, what does, like, what are, what do you consider intimidating moments for you in your career? It feels like on set, you're like in your comfort zone. Is it the award show? Maybe now, you've gotten there finally, but.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I wasn't then.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Definitely was terrified on that to like, speak up about any line or thought or any, like, I think it was a real rite of passage to like.

• 4:41Josh Horowitz?

  Right, kind of like sit back and take it in, but.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, just to hold a conversation with Jerry Bruckheimer or Christopher McQuarrie. Joe was a little bit, I mean, he can be intimidating too, but, but he was sort of more on the ground. I auditioned with him, so I kind of knew him better.

• 4:56Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, or, or Tom, like, even just conversing, like, normal humans. I was like, oh, that's happening.

• 5:03Josh Horowitz?

  It's hard to ever forget that that like is not Mickey Mouse in front of you. That's like a real flesh and blood human being, like he's, at the same time, he's so present, like I've experienced this as a journalist, like, he makes you feel like you're the only person in the room, to his credit.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Totally, totally. Well, but then also you're like in a state of observation. You're like, oh, this is who the, and then you're like, oh, you just asked me a question. Oh, no.

• 5:26Josh Horowitz?

  This is my life constantly, by the nature of what I do. I always have, I don't know about you, I always have this other like person watching, like, oh, you're, oh, look, it's you and Will Ferrell. That's weird.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who I heard sat in the seat before me.

• 5:38Josh Horowitz?

  He warmed it up for you. He's the warm effect.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  I wondered why it was so, so warm.

• 5:43Josh Horowitz?

  We expected you to be just as funny for the next 45 minutes.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Oh, good, good, good, good, good, good. We have the same background, so that'll be easy.

• 5:49Josh Horowitz?

  You've brought your stand up routine today.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, my improv set.

• 5:56Josh Horowitz?

  Like, you do have the chops.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  I suddenly just become the least funny person. You're like, oh, no, no, no, we shouldn't have done that.

• 6:01Josh Horowitz?

  Insert funniness here. You are funny in this movie. Look at that segue.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 6:06Josh Horowitz?

  We did it. We're, okay, so the reason for you to be here to catch up today is One Night Only, which is very fun. It is you front and center with Callum Turner. You know, studio romantic comedy, middle of summer, eat your heart out, Odyssey, Spider-Man. It's Monica's time.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Oh, God, you just made it so much scarier. No.

• 6:30Josh Horowitz?

  No pressure.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:33Josh Horowitz?

  But is this, does this feel like, look, you've had a series of moments, the last five or six years especially. Does this feel like another one? Like, okay, I'm a front and center in an old school kind of rom com, admittedly with a crazy high concept thing at the center of it, but.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think my whole life at this point is just like a baby bird being pushed out of a nest, and then I have, I think flown.

• 6:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  So this would be one of those moments, like, the other thing wasn't enough. I now have to, you know, promote a movie, which, by the way, least of all comfort zones is publicity promotion.

• 7:11Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  This moment right now.

• 7:12Josh Horowitz?

  Sorry.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  You're making it very comfortable. No, but, but yeah, I hadn't even put it, I hadn't even thought of it that way. I was just like leading a, being a co-lead in a rom com that's going to theaters was massive enough. And we keep driving, like, just in the last, it's like, it's like 24, it's like overnight. It feels like all of a sudden this, the whole city is One Night Only, which I, on the one hand, I'm like, thanks, Universal, for marketing this. You must really believe in it.

• 7:42Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Fantastic. Also, I go, oh, it's so, we must succeed now. Because if everyone knows the poster and they're like, never's all that, where'd that go? Marketing doesn't mean anything anymore.

• 7:54Josh Horowitz?

  It's a referendum on whether we like Monica. No, you're great in this. Honestly, you and Callum are fantastic. And it's, it, it is a crazy idea for a movie. Like, the concept at the core of this is like,

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Absurd.

• 8:04Josh Horowitz?

  If like Ari Aster is directing this, this is like a dystopian, like, drama.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Which is so fun, actually, premise wise. You're sort of like, every different director who might tackle this would do it.

• 8:14Josh Horowitz?

  I kind of wanted to see that.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Is it a horror movie? Is it a comedy?

• 8:17Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, it's like, wait, we're living in a fascist state where people can't have sex except for one night a year?

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:22Josh Horowitz?

  Crazy.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  And like, seeing it as sort of an allegory for dating. Again, it's sort of like, is it a horror movie?

• 8:29Josh Horowitz?

  Right, right.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Certainly that speed dating scene, I, I'm, I'm hoping it will feel cathartic for people who feel like they are living in that state, not just with the mandate. I mean, having an possible, well, having a government that it feels difficult to coexist with, while also just like living your life and trying to find love in New York City, feels like it, the people might relate.

• 8:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  And we can laugh about it.

• 9:02Josh Horowitz?

  Thankfully, um, yeah, or we'd cry.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  For the period of this movie.

• 9:05Josh Horowitz?

  Exactly. Thank you for that respite, that 100 minutes of laughter.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  That's what I truly hope this movie is. Like, I hope it's just fun, free, cathartic laughter, like, Oh, Mary was maybe the best therapy I've ever gotten in my life.

• 9:18Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing. Did you see it with, who did you see? I missed it with, I saw it with Betty, who was amazing.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 9:23Josh Horowitz?

  Unbelievable.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  I actually want to see it with every single lead.

• 9:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I would all, I would, I would love to see that. Yeah.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:31Josh Horowitz?

  They're all, I'm sure.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:32Josh Horowitz?

  Um, so when this one is presented to you, like, do they give you the log line? Like, do they like tell you the premise?

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what they started with. And you give this kind of like, okay, tell me more.

• 9:43Josh Horowitz?

  Is it, is it like The Purge romantic comedy? Like, is that, what do they say to you? Like, they say?

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think my reps were like, so it's like The Purge, but sex.

• 9:50Josh Horowitz?

  Like, oh, I think I get it.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Sorry, what? Um, but I love that. I love those phone conversations, because

• 9:58Speaker 01

  I feel like the stronger of a reaction you have, if you're kind of like, oh, okay, that's, that's dead in the water.

• 10:04Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  But if you're like, ooh, what? In either direction, I think it, I think it's, it makes it exciting. And then Will did this thing where like, he wanted to meet with me, but not send me the script yet. And I was like, that's interesting. Usually that means the script is not done, is not done, may not be in a super strong state. And I met with him and he was super funny. He had a really interesting approach to this. He was like, this is, he's like, the movies I want you to watch are

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Uncut Gems, After Hours, and Midnight Run.

• 10:39Josh Horowitz?

  Love it.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Not a single romantic comedy. So I was like, that's interesting.

• 10:43Josh Horowitz?

  These frenetic kind of, some of them are one night only things.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:47Josh Horowitz?

  After Hours, of course, yep.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  And, and, you know, he shot, he was like, I'm going to shoot it with handheld cameras. I want it to feel like New York. I want it to feel chaotic. That thing where, you know, Halloween in New York, like, it's, it's just a little bit crazed. And I think he really delivered that in this film. And that being his concept, I was like, okay, that's fascinating and not like anything I've seen him do, but I also, I also know that he can do the rom com so clearly.

• 11:12Josh Horowitz?

  Easy, yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  So wonderfully.

• 11:14Josh Horowitz?

  Little clock, we should say.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Yes. So knowing that he had that in the bag and then like wanted to do something kind of.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Just kind of have that engine of energy behind it. I was like, okay. Um, and then I got the script and I was laughing like it, it was

• 11:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  We, we judged it a lot. We improvised a lot of things. We, I rehearsed with Callum and like one of the first weeks in prep and we changed a lot, but like, but it pretty much was in a way in its final form, the script. And it was great. I was laughing a lot. Anyone I spoke to who was also reading it was like live texting me like, I keep laughing. Um, and so, yeah, it just felt, it just felt so right. And it felt like that, that piece of, yes, this is a crazy concept, but also it felt like a kind of maybe nice somehow medicine in the food.

• 12:09Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Um, in that they are existing in this kind of crazy, unbelievable time. And um, I really love this. There's a scene with Molly Ringwald and LeVar Burton. And when they start going at each other, I, I like, it's just so perfect.

• 12:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Um.

• 12:26Josh Horowitz?

  Not to mention, not to mention, these aren't made, especially for the big screen much at all. Like the opportunity to do that for a wide audience.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:33Josh Horowitz?

  Shoot in New York and like as a New Yorker, born and bred New Yorker. I know Toronto from New York quite well now on the big screen.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:41Josh Horowitz?

  And it's really great to see New York use, like, I mean, there were so many paparazzi shots when you guys were, were shooting, like how, where were you of, was it challenging to shoot in the city?

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I have ADHD. So like, I

• 12:54Josh Horowitz?

  Mind of sight, it's like, oh God.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would just get really distracted. But the paparazzi here, they shoot so many sets. You can be like, hey, would you mind moving out of my eye line? And they know what you're talking about and they stay at it. Like I'm be like, oh, I'm just looking from like that cab to that car. So like, if you guys could just like go over, you can't, you can't get rid of them really legally, but um, you can just ask for some space. Um, and then yeah, also like crowds gathering or I mean, we'd be mid scene and some, someone would be like, is that Callum Turner? Like, I'm sorry, I can't, I lost my place in the scene. And Callum would be able to just keep going and he's very patient with me, but I would just be like, I, that, what? Where are we? Okay, getting back in.

• 13:35Josh Horowitz?

  What about, what about the choices of like, by the nature of this, which is essentially in one night, you basically have one wardrobe for 90% of the film, like, and it's

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:45Josh Horowitz?

  Not being a woman, I can't really speak to this, but it doesn't look like necessarily the easiest like wardrobe to have for an entire um, sequence of events, the heels, the dress.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:55Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have regrets like halfway through? Like, oh God, I'm, I'm in this again?

• 13:59Speaker 01

  No, I knew what I, luckily I am like, I've done this enough to know what I was getting myself into. But it is, it is that thing where you're like, it is, it, my fittings were in the summer and it turned into winter and I kept being like, I'll be fine. I'll be fine. I'll get through it. Because I know myself and I know I will.

• 14:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  But there were moments where I was like, why did I do this? I was just freezing. Um, and the, the heels, I actually, we sort of ta, we tailored everything. The dress and the heels were all sort of by design. Um, in order to be able to do everything that we needed to do. Like at first the dress, the original dress had a kind of cowl neck. So it was gonna like fly open. We're like, well, we can't do that. We have to figure out a way to anchor it. So it actually really was meticulously thought through. The heels, to me, that felt like the safest way of having a heel, like it's not attached to your foot. So if you go down, you can just ditch the heel.

• 14:55Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Cause I knew I'd be running a lot. Um.

• 14:58Josh Horowitz?

  Probably still not as challenging as, as eating endless amounts of dumplings for a scene like to, like, is there anything

• 15:04Speaker 01

  That was a good day.

• 15:04Josh Horowitz?

  I was gonna say, is there anything worse?

• 15:06Speaker 01

  No, it was, it was kind of a nightmare. The dumplings, no, yeah, there were, well, also being in a film where you're repeatedly essentially taking off your clothes and not wearing very much. You're like, usually it's not uh, preferable to eat

• 15:23Josh Horowitz?

  Carb load?

• 15:23Speaker 01

  To carb load before being somewhat naked. No body shaming. I mean,

• 15:29Josh Horowitz?

  But the nature of what it calls for, it's

• 15:31Speaker 01

  But like for the continuity of it.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think dumplings, I had a spit bucket and I didn't use it that much.

• 15:42Josh Horowitz?

  Like, I'm gonna take advantage. You're also, you're singing again. For someone that like, only a couple of years ago had no professional singing experience. You've gone from Joan Baez to another major film where you're singing. The universe wants you to sing, apparently, Monica.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I don't. I cried in my trailer before I had to sing Only You. Like I literally, I was in my trailer and I was like, I've also done this enough where I was like crying. I was like, I guess maybe it'll be funny on a talk show later.

• 16:13Josh Horowitz?

  That's amazing.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Like somewhere in that, that person behind is like, this

• 16:16Josh Horowitz?

  That means you've been doing it for a minute. You're like, use it.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in misery, but it'll be funny later. Um, no, but I was, I was, I was so, so, so, so terrified. Um, I actually had the same, we had the same AD on this movie that we did on A Complete Unknown. So I knew he knew how to lock up a set and like set a performance up to be in prime position to do really well. Like, so he, and he knew me too. He knew how

• 16:42Josh Horowitz?

  Taken care of.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Terrified I was.

• 16:43Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 16:46Josh Horowitz?

  So what's the next step? Broadway musical?

• 16:50Josh Horowitz?

  The Hives coming out again?

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, my Hives are back. Um,

• 16:57Speaker 01

  I, the, the

• 17:01Speaker 01

  I can't say that I would say no to anything at this point. Um, but I do think the, that level of singing, that like trusting my ability to be that vocally strong and on key and dance at the same, like

• 17:24Josh Horowitz?

  It's like an athletic performance as much as it is a acting performance. When you're doing eight shows a week.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:29Josh Horowitz?

  And you've done a play, we'll talk about that, but doing a musical is a whole nother.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. And having just done that, like even what I thought I had the capacity for, I'd be like, it was, it was just a bit of a reckoning in the, in the, in the best way, in a way that I hoped would happen. I just imagine a musical would be, um, uh, my hat goes off to what

• 17:50Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  musical artists do. Like the, the amount of energy and power that they hold in their bodies is just like unbelievable to me.

• 18:01Josh Horowitz?

  That being said, you did just very recently complete a run and I don't know if this is like your debut on stage, but was it?

• 18:06Speaker 01

  As an actor, yeah.

• 18:07Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so

• 18:08Speaker 01

  I've been a dancer.

• 18:09Josh Horowitz?

  So, I mean, I'm fascinated by this. Like I'd love to hear you talk about choosing to do this now, when like you've had, you were having a lot of exciting opportunities. And this is obvi, that was obviously one, but like, it also takes you off of like, you know, like opportunities to do film and TV, like

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:25Josh Horowitz?

  Why was most recently the, the time to kind of like challenge yourself to do something on stage in the UK?

• 18:32Speaker 01

  I mean, I felt like, I've wanted to do theater for, I mean, since the beginning, since I was 12. Um, and that wasn't my way into this industry, but I'd been dying to do it. And I felt like I also wanted to have the space to learn from the best, like Leslie Manville and Marion Elliott. Um, and The National as an institution. Um, and so it just, it made so much sense to me to, to do it that way as opposed to trying to use any kind of like career, uh,

• 19:19Speaker 01

  I don't know, um, the, the established part of my career to like lead a play. I felt like that wasn't gonna be

• 19:26Josh Horowitz?

  You're still, at least in some respects, still in the learning period of your career.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:31Josh Horowitz?

  accumulating skills and

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was like, I need to be one of an ensemble and learn from someone who's at the hell, a couple of people who are at the helm of it, who really know what they're doing. And um, and also it felt like throwing myself into the deep end in a way because it was like with an English accent and there was a dance component. And, um, yeah, I mean, we had like sold out audiences for an extended run. It was, it was incredible. Um, and yeah, I got, I got to like learn all of that, see how that goes. And then, you know, I, I hope to do more. I really want to do theater here in New York.

• 20:11Josh Horowitz?

  You have to.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Um, and more in London. It just, and I think my, my reps were all really into it too. I think like, working with Marion Elliott and Leslie Manville and The National, all

• 20:27Speaker 01

  like for the theatric, for the theater side of this business, that, that does have the same.

• 20:32Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  That has a kind of a top gun effect. You know, like that is, that is huge and uh, bolstering of, of the whole of my career.

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• 22:37Josh Horowitz?

  I want to backtrack because like you referenced, like you started out and for those that know a little bit about you, it was dance at first. It really was dance hardcore. And like you grew up, correct me if I'm wrong, in Mill Valley. By the way, I got, I got married in that region, stayed at, stayed at a hotel in Mill Valley for my wedding.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Where'd you get married?

• 22:56Josh Horowitz?

  Barksburg.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Beautiful.

• 22:59Josh Horowitz?

  Beautiful. Um, what a great area. So when you're growing up there.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Why'd you pick there?

• 23:04Josh Horowitz?

  We, so my, my aunt lives in Berkeley, so we'd spent a lot of time out there and we just, you know, loved the redwoods, wanted to do a small intimate thing out there.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:11Josh Horowitz?

  It was great.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  That's so wonderful.

• 23:13Josh Horowitz?

  Don't talk to her anymore, but no, of course, no, we're happy.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  We cut her off now that we got married.

• 23:17Josh Horowitz?

  No, no. Um, yeah, what a beautiful place to live.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where my dog is right now. He's living a much better life with my mom than on the road with me.

• 23:26Josh Horowitz?

  Are you missing your dog? I'm a huge dog obsessive.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Yes. I just casually, I don't make it sound like I cry a lot. Um, but I were fully like sobbed leaving my place in LA just a week ago because I was like, I, I ran into one of his toys and I, he's with my mom and he's been with my mom for a minute. And, uh, yeah, just like full. I love him so much, but he's in the redwoods. It's like.

• 23:50Josh Horowitz?

  Is the plan to reunite? Is this a long-term situation or like?

• 23:54Speaker 01

  It's, it's long-term in that by the time I get him, well, the next time I could see him, it would probably have been.

• 24:02Josh Horowitz?

  After the next gig, which is going to be a while.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

• 24:05Josh Horowitz?

  It's the nature of the life you've chosen. It's tough, but it's worth it. Yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  It's wild. And he can't be left alone. So he's not like, I can't like sit him in, I can't have him in a trailer and just leave him there. It becomes like a full-time job for the set and that I don't want to.

• 24:20Josh Horowitz?

  Ours is requires constant attention, but we love her. Um, okay.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Well, when you're here, you can, yeah.

• 24:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's, she's a city dog. She loves Central Park. She's like the best.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  My dog turns into, um, a real bitey New Yorker. Like he, he gets like, not literally bitey.

• 24:39Josh Horowitz?

  Let's not spread disinformation.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he, he picks up on the energy of the city and gets spicy here.

• 24:49Josh Horowitz?

  Well, yeah, our, ours, ours is a pit mix. So like the sweetest, but like one of those where like there's that aggression in her.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:56Josh Horowitz?

  But it comes out only if someone else, if you want to start something, she'll finish it.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:00Josh Horowitz?

  But she's the sweetest otherwise. Anyway, we can talk dogs all day, but, um, growing up, okay. So dance, but I'm just curious, like before we get to the dance part, even just like what you were into growing up, what posters on the wall, film, TV, anything? You weren't a big TV watcher from what I read, but like what were you, what were you into?

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Well, my mom didn't have like cable, but, or she just had cable TV, TV. It was like reruns of Law and Order throughout the day, whatever.

• 25:30Josh Horowitz?

  Luckily there are 3,000 of them.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Whatever seven channels that was on. Um, uh, and then also like, like we'd watch BBC specials, like the Pride and Prejudice special was like.

• 25:41Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  And then anything she had on VHS. Um, uh, or anything I had on VHS was, which was like four films. Um, just repeatedly, like I broke my copy of, uh, Romeo and Michelle's High School Reunion because I watched it so many times.

• 25:58Josh Horowitz?

  Did you memorize the, um, time after time dance sequence?

• 26:02Speaker 01

  I never, I never actively memor, but you know, when you hear a song and you're like, why do I know all the words? If I got up and tried to do the dance right now, I could probably do the whole thing. But I've never tried to memorize it.

• 26:15Josh Horowitz?

  Did you try to get yourself into the sequel? They're shooting it literally right now.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  No, I don't know how to, I don't know how to handle that.

• 26:20Josh Horowitz?

  This is a lot.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  It's a lot.

• 26:21Josh Horowitz?

  Is this meant to be? Is this the right move?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. And I had a lot of people go like, you never sequel Top Gun. And then we did, and we did well. So I don't want to say like, don't do it, don't touch it. I think those women can do anything. Um, and I will show up and watch it. Um, I have such high hopes for it that I just.

• 26:44Josh Horowitz?

  It's a sacred text. We get it.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  It's a sacred text.

• 26:46Josh Horowitz?

  We get it.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:48Josh Horowitz?

  What are the other couple ones you knew by heart you wore out on VHS?

• 26:51Speaker 01

  I'm trying to remember now. A Bug's Life.

• 26:54Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Which I watched that again. It's those things that you watch and then you like, you feel like you're back in your, um, childhood. Yeah, A Bug's Life.

• 27:01Josh Horowitz?

  I read, wait, here's a couple that you named at some point. Uh, the Quirone, Harry Potter, Azkaban, was that a big one?

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yes. But that was, that was, I'm a little older. That wasn't like, that was coming out in theaters in my teens.

• 27:20Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Gotcha. Galaxy Quest?

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:23Josh Horowitz?

  I have respect for you.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  I love that movie so much.

• 27:26Josh Horowitz?

  Talk about a perfect movie.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  It's such a perfect movie. I think I watched it with the director's commentary as well.

• 27:32Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing. No, I, I, I've been privileged enough to get to know like Justin Long and Sam Rockwell and had them on for like an anniversary podcast like a year or two ago, just because why not?

• 27:42Speaker 01

  That's fun.

• 27:43Josh Horowitz?

  Alan Rickman in that movie?

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Is so brilliant. He's so, talk about like theater, the national, and also Le Laisance. That was like the thing that, that play supposedly was a part of what.

• 27:56Josh Horowitz?

  Launched.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Well, it was like Die Hard, really, but in the sort of acting industry world, he really popped off with that play.

• 28:03Josh Horowitz?

  Think about people that want, Die Hard was his film debut. He was like 40 years old.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:07Josh Horowitz?

  He had lived a life in the theater and then.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:10Josh Horowitz?

  The film world discovered him. Um, okay, we're jumping all around.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 28:13Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, this is perfect.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Sigourney Weaver in that movie too, like leaning into that trope of a woman and doing it with so much heart and embracing the real person underneath. Like, I just, I just love the way she did that.

• 28:29Josh Horowitz?

  And I'm sure as like you've like grown in the industry and kind of like seen the facade, the, like the, you know, what we project and what's behind it, it kind of becomes richer too, like you were saying.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, and, and like what fun, because she's, she's also known for being such a powerful woman and.

• 28:48Josh Horowitz?

  Leaning into the sex appeal of like a bimbo, bimbo character.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. People's inability to like see someone cross those, and then her just just go full bore and be like, I can do this too. And also give her a, a depth of soul that like is just brilliant. I, I love that.

• 29:06Josh Horowitz?

  Dogs and Galaxy Quest, we can talk forever.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 29:09Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, I love it. This is what the podcast is. So how hardcore, like how quickly did you get into dance? Like, was it like an obsession early on? Was it like, this is going to be my life? Like.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  No, I was like, I was put in dance. All my siblings were.

• 29:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Um, and I was just in it. And I think it was adjacent enough to acting and I really loved the Nutcracker because I would get to sort of be characters, at least at first. Um, and, uh, I would, I had a knack for it. And my parents, I think, found it to be a very respectable art form. Um, cause it was, cause it's, I mean, they love the classic arts, but also it's, uh, it's special.

• 29:57Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Um, it's not something that everyone can do. And so I stayed in it for a long time, but kind of knew I wanted to act.

• 30:07Josh Horowitz?

  It's such a, so you come to NYU and you're studying dance. Like that's still the intent to like, that's going to be the career? Or is it in the back of your mind, are you thinking this is not going to be long-term? Like this is still.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I, I think I, I think I knew. I, I feel like it's the equivalent of a relationship that you're in and you know that it's not the one, but you're like.

• 30:25Josh Horowitz?

  It's hard to break it. It's just.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of really great qualities about it. And, um, yeah, it's a big leap to go, no, I will not, because I was just so in it to, to go, no, I will not do that anymore. I will break up with this life that I'm leading, that I'm very clearly down a specific path for and totally pivot into the unknown. Um, and the, and the like pipe dream is how I sort of felt it would be perceived and how I maybe judged it to be myself.

• 30:56Josh Horowitz?

  I'll preface this by saying that I love and adore Timothy Chalamet. He's been on the podcast.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:00Josh Horowitz?

  Multiple times. When he made his comments about dance, about ballet.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  You're the first person to ask me about this.

• 31:06Josh Horowitz?

  Did you text him? Did you say, I love you, buddy, but come on? Did you say something?

• 31:11Speaker 01

  I mean, no, I didn't. I, I don't know. I, I can't possibly know exactly where he was coming from when he said that, but one of the.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  One of the conversations we had on set was about his sister being a dancer and he was actually, he was saying it from a very like hats off, respect, kind of a place.

• 31:39Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  And so I, I feel like that was something where um, he was expressing something in a way that made it sound like it was about a respect for the art form, when really I think it is about audiences for that art form.

• 32:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  And I do think audiences are dwindling for those kinds. I mean, I, you know,

• 32:10Josh Horowitz?

  That's real.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Government subsidies at the national, like that's the best possible place to do theater.

• 32:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  And yet, um, you know, they have less than they ever have and, and no other theater is doing it like that. And those tickets are getting more and more expensive while in New York, they're like three, four times that to go to a Broadway show.

• 32:30Josh Horowitz?

  Right. So he's not diminished. I totally agree with you, by the way.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  I can't speak for, you know, like what he was.

• 32:35Josh Horowitz?

  I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt too, because I feel like it's more about like, it's not diminishing the art form, it's more a commentary on like, we don't celebrate, we, we're not, the world is not giving these art forms the love, the centering that they deserve, the, in a way.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't, again, like, I don't know that that's what he was saying, but that's my personal takeaway where, I mean, I'm a Gemini, I try to see all sides. I think, I think, I think in a way, I'm just like, there is, there is some truth to that statement in a way that I, I would like to not lead with, uh, offense.

• 33:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  You know?

• 33:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  But, but also like, it's very much his business to express, you know, what he did or didn't mean and why and how he feels about any of it.

• 33:26Josh Horowitz?

  Don't worry, I'm not just trying to start the Monica Timmy beef today, don't worry.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  No, no. And I'm not trying to avoid beef either. I just think, um, yeah, it's, it's wild to be on both sides of it, to like, sometimes be a part of something that goes viral in some capacity and then also to be away from it and like have it pop up on your phone and be like, did you hear? And

• 33:47Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  I, I think things feel, feel so differently when you're in, when you're there in the present moment than the way they're received. And the way it's received is almost its own tidal wave of experience.

• 33:57Josh Horowitz?

  Hundred percent.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Um, which sometimes in press tours, people are optimizing.

• 34:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  So there's that.

• 34:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Um, but it, yeah, it, it makes it, um, more complex than, than, yeah, I don't know.

• 34:15Josh Horowitz?

  No, I got you. Totally, totally. So the transition out of NYU and starting to kind of like double down on acting, not necessarily easy to say, say the least at first. There's unemployment. There's years of unemployment, of lack of any opportunity, right? Like, you just weren't getting auditions for a while, from what I gather.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Uh, well, I moved back home to Mill Valley and was auditioning in San Francisco. I got a book at the, what was it, Borders in

• 34:46Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Union Square.

• 34:47Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Um, no longer exists. Uh, and it was called How to Be a Working Actor. And it was like, how to build your resume, basically, and like, what to do, take class, idiot. Um, and then one of the things was, you know, it can be helpful to be in a smaller market. And those were, uh, the, the ones they sourced were San Francisco and Chicago. And I was like, well, I have no money and there's a bedbug epidemic in New York and it's the hottest summer on record and I have no money. So I'll probably just move home and try out San Francisco. And I did. And I used my dance resume. Um, and, oh yeah, my rent was like going up, but no one owned the building. It was like, just post recession. It was like

• 35:33Speaker 01

  a nightmare. Um, so yeah, I, I, I moved home. I used my dance NYU resume. I was honest, but I just listed dance performance.

• 35:42Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Um, and I was able to do, I did a lot of like short films with, uh, the Academy of Art universities out there, San Francisco State University, some recent graduates were making like a really cool indie short film. They just threw all their money into this thing. Um, but it was a great time. Um, and like commercial work and event, and I would meet people on those projects who were like, oh yeah, I have an agent. You should meet my agent. And then, you know, and then I started working commercially and, um, I kind of hit the ceiling of that pretty quickly. As I also then, I started training there.

• 36:20Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Um, with like theater material and, you know, um, you know, not what I was doing professionally, but, but developing my craft. Um, and then eventually I went down to LA.

• 36:34Josh Horowitz?

  And is that where?

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Then I had a period of like

• 36:37Josh Horowitz?

  That's before Unreal. Unreal is years later. It's, it's a couple of years.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think a couple of years later. Weirdly, um,

• 36:47Speaker 01

  I got my SAG card and I think in the commercial world, it, it became 10 times harder to book a commercial with my SAG card.

• 36:58Josh Horowitz?

  Because you're getting a higher rate because you're part of the union or?

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Because, because the non-union game was like, and the, and I think the way things were developing on streaming and YouTube and the internet commercials were sort of this like,

• 37:11Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  It's, it's hard for the, for organizations to move. It's like what's happening, I think, with AI. It's hard for, uh, organizations to move through developing new contracts through their sort of like bureaucratic systems, uh, that, that can keep up with the, the rate of technology developing. And I think that, I think

• 37:33Josh Horowitz?

  You were caught in that.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  SAG commercial actors were having that struggle, maybe still.

• 37:37Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  I don't know. Um, so it, so it was suddenly like, because I could only do SAG commercials. Um, but also the work was so much more protected on those commercials.

• 37:51Josh Horowitz?

  Sure. Their benefits, obviously. If you get them, great.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes. But it, it just became like the funnel hole got so much smaller.

• 37:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Um, so, yeah, that, so I had a couple of years where, and then I just needed like great reps, which I got, who were very connected. And I was training that whole time and wondering if I should continue. And I dog walked for a living. I bartended a little bit. I, uh, yeah.

• 38:19Josh Horowitz?

  Is Unreal the moment where you could stop doing the side hustles? Like, yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:25Josh Horowitz?

  Is that a moment, I mean, when you think of like the big moments, getting the Oscar nomination, getting Top Gun, getting A Complete Unknown.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:34Josh Horowitz?

  In its own way, was getting Unreal like as significant?

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe one of the most in my body because it felt like a confirmation that I could be a working actor.

• 38:45Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  It wasn't a guarantee. I like hoarded all my money and was terrified I'd never work again. But, but it, it was like, okay, you, you can work in this industry. It's, that was like, oh, it's no longer an absolute pipe dream. You have a job.

• 39:02Josh Horowitz?

  And in the years between that, you're working, like leading up to Top Gun, which is kind of arguably the next major step.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 39:10Josh Horowitz?

  You're doing a bunch of series. They kind of come and go, right?

• 39:13Speaker 01

  But those all felt, each one of them felt like

• 39:15Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  I'm working, you know?

• 39:17Josh Horowitz?

  No, no diminishment. I mean, that's

• 39:19Speaker 01

  And like growing up watching Dick Wolf, and then I got a Dick Wolf show. I was like, I'm the second chair and I'll be in my suit. And, you know, this is everything I, legal jargon, let's have it, let's do it.

• 39:30Josh Horowitz?

  Did you see like a path, like in terms of like what kind of roles people were seeing you for? Like, were you happy with kind of like the trajectory you were on though, then from like 2016 to 2018, when you go up for Top Gun?

• 39:45Speaker 01

  I think every, I realized quickly that every time I did something, I was given or, well, yeah, given opportunity to audition for more roles that were exactly the same.

• 39:55Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  And so I was like, okay, I have to make a concerted effort to pivot.

• 39:59Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Like there was something I turned down, shockingly, um, around, like right after Unreal, that felt very much like Unreal energetically.

• 40:08Josh Horowitz?

  That's a big thing to say no at any point in your career, let alone in that relatively early part.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  I know. But it was the kind of thing where they were also paying very, very little money and they would hold you for like a year and a half after. I had good advisor. That's the other thing about reps is like, they're good advisors.

• 40:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  And so it was like, you might be stuck under this contract and you are getting love from other projects, so you can pass on this.

• 40:31Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Um, and that's what working gives you too, is like a little bit of confidence to do that. Um, and then, and then, you know, from that, a legal show was like, yes, super different. And then just kept trying to pivot.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  Oh, please, not that music. That music gives me nightmares from my childhood.

• 40:54Speaker 05

  Could we get something a little bit lighter, some lighter music here?

• 40:58Speaker 04

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• 42:47Josh Horowitz?

  So when Top Gun comes around, that is so unusual for a thousand different reasons. I mean, you know, when you sign up for that, you're signing up not only just like for an acting gig, it's almost like you're like joining like the military or something. It's like you're like learning all these skills. Like, it's, it's a very unusual

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:06Josh Horowitz?

  experience, to say the least.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:08Josh Horowitz?

  Did you kind of, did Tom and Joe kind of like Jerry kind of outline for you what was going to be, like, were you shocked at kind of like what that job turned into?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, in a way. I knew we, Joe told me in an audition that he was like, are you claustrophobic? I was like, no. And he was like, are you able to swim? I said, yes.

• 43:33Josh Horowitz?

  This is Top Gun, right? Aren't we going up?

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, wait, what? Which also, I'm not a super confident swimmer, actually. And I was like, yeah, why? He was like, well, because we're going to be, just casually, we're going to be flying and you guys are going to be in these jets in the movie and you have, if there's an emergency, you have to do an emergency ejection and you have to swim for survival. And I was like, cool.

• 43:59Josh Horowitz?

  This didn't come up in the Unreal audition.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, so strange. It's never come up before. Yeah, so I did know, but I'm, I guess, kind of a crazy person because that just made me more excited to do it. Because I was like, when in my life am I ever gonna get to do that again?

• 44:16Josh Horowitz?

  If push came to shove, could you fly a plane right now, if we need a pilot in an emergency? Do you know enough?

• 44:23Speaker 01

  I, it's been so long since we filmed the movie. I could potentially fly a Cessna.

• 44:32Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Like, we learned how to do all the procedures for a Cessna, not a jet. Because it's also like classified. The military will not let you. But the, the, the, the Cessna may be, it's been a minute. There's a lot of

• 44:50Josh Horowitz?

  I'm not turning to you first.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  It would need like, it would need gas. It would need, you know, hopefully there's not like a mountain range and bad air, because that's how

• 44:58Josh Horowitz?

  Right, bad things happen.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Really bad things happen, yeah.

• 45:00Josh Horowitz?

  Did

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Bad air. That's how, that's how educated I am.

• 45:04Josh Horowitz?

  It's in the manual, right?

• 45:05Speaker 01

  The air was bad. I don't know.

• 45:07Josh Horowitz?

  Did the, was the, how fixed was that script? Like, was it evolving? My sense is it evolved a lot, right?

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:13Josh Horowitz?

  Did your role evolve a lot? Did it change? Did it get bigger or smaller? Did Phoenix's function in the script change?

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Um, it was pretty, like, size-wise, it was pretty much the same. There was a little,

• 45:31Speaker 01

  who cares? I was like, am I allowed to say this? There was like a tidbit where Jon Hamm, we shot a couple of scenes that are not in the movie, where Jon Hamm was trying to get me and Lewis Pullman, who plays Bob, to out Maverick for being irresponsible.

• 45:49Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, okay.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  And they were not, actually, Jon Hamm leaned across the desk at one point. He goes, this scene's gonna be cut.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  And I was just there like, I have to make every moment count. And I was like, oh, got it.

• 46:04Josh Horowitz?

  You're like, challenge accepted. I'm gonna make it count.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  No, I was fully like, no, we're here for no purpose. And Lewis had worked with Jon Hamm on a movie like right before that. So it was funny. They were like, super cordial. We were just laughing about it. And we're like, okay. But yeah, yeah.

• 46:20Josh Horowitz?

  Crazy.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  I think they even had me like in a hospital bed after the emergency ejection. So I had like, like a cut and like, and, and, yeah. And good riddance. It was not right. But I love that, though.

• 46:34Josh Horowitz?

  That film will always be a miracle of miracles. The way it like turned out, and I will never forget the first time I saw it. Like, I think many people share that. Like, it was just like

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Where did you see it?

• 46:43Josh Horowitz?

  We, we saw early screening. So no one had seen it. No, I didn't see it at CinemaCon, but because MTV was hosting that premiere, they let us see it relatively early. So there were no expectations. I mean, there were expectations, but it was like more of like, how good can this possibly be?

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Did anyone prime you, or no?

• 46:59Josh Horowitz?

  Not really.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 47:01Josh Horowitz?

  How, it must have been a little bit, I mean, I talked to the other actors and like, there must have been a period of frustration because it was sitting on the shelf for so damn long.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:08Josh Horowitz?

  Like, you

• 47:09Speaker 01

  I think we bonded, we like kind of trauma bonded on the movie, just because it was like so intense and hard. And we also were experiencing something no other actor could quite relate to

• 47:21Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  in that way of like doing those flights and things, and filming up there and all the responsibilities we had in the plane. But then that period of time where it wouldn't come out, we just would call each, we would hop on FaceTime through

• 47:37Josh Horowitz?

  All we had was each other and that.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And so it sort of like solidified that bond, which was kind of beautiful in a way, but also, yeah, because we all were in the same place. We were like, I think this movie could do a lot for each and every one of us. And the longer it sits, I mean, I know for me, especially as a woman, I was like, the older I get.

• 47:58Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, God. Yeah, no, I get it.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  But, yeah.

• 48:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. We should talk a little A Complete Unknown, because you kill it in that. I mean, you were amazing as Joan Baez, and thankfully you were, you know, it doesn't always happen where like a film finds the audience and finds the accolades this one did.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:14Josh Horowitz?

  You got the SAG nomination, the Oscar nomination. I mean, degree of difficulty in that, also insane. You were not a singer. You were not, you did not a guitar player as far as I know. Is that sheer terror from day one to the last day on set?

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. To it coming out to, through the Oscars, and, yeah.

• 48:36Josh Horowitz?

  How, I mean, I hope you take a lot of pride in that, because like knowing what the degree of difficulty is, and then to be not only accomplish it, but to be so recognized for it. I don't know, to talk to me, like, what is the greatest source of pride when you look back at that performance? Is it just sort of like, I did it? I got it done? I checked the box? Or is it something more specific, or what?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, I think it's a little bit, maybe again, it's like the out of body looking at it and going like, wow, I, I did

• 49:09Josh Horowitz?

  That happened.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  That. That's me. I did it. And I think, um,

• 49:17Speaker 01

  I, yeah, I, I think it was the first time, I mean, ballet can be a very chaotic head game, where like you're never enough, you're never doing enough. And I think that, I think doing that movie was the first time I was able to hear people when they said I work hard. Like, I was like, I think I do.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  I think I work really hard. And I think there's evidence of it now and it's in a, in a way that's not glorifying a like, you know, senseless hustle, but like, but, but just honoring of the amount of work that I put in that, that felt really wonderful. And I felt like I did what I came there to do, to do um, in honoring Joan and I learned a lot too from, from Jim, James Mangold. And he gave me like great feedback. In fact, at one point, he was like, I see you get an, I'm like revealing,

• 50:24Speaker 01

  whatever. He's like, I see you get an impulse and not follow it. And I was like, that's the worst thing an actor can hear. Um, not really. He meant it from like a, an encouragement standpoint.

• 50:38Josh Horowitz?

  Trust your instincts essentially, like follow through.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I had done so much of trying to fit into the box in the way that I perceived the creators of a project and that worked for me for a long time. Um, like I remember the day that I learned, I was just like sitting, watching some show on Hulu and the commercials kept popping up and I was like, oh, they're happy when they pay their credit card bill. And I brought that to my commercial auditions and I started booking commercials. And so I think it was like, there was a lot of uh, benefit to knowing what was needed of me and filling that role for people. But also I was sort of robbing myself of the ability to give myself permission to try things and

• 51:24Speaker 01

  like just come from a more intuitive, uh, free, alive place. And that, that piece is what I love so much about it when I was like 12 was that I could just like, I could fly free and do whatever I wanted and

• 51:39Josh Horowitz?

  That voice in your head wasn't so loud stopping yourself because we all get that voice that gets louder unfortunately as we get older.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and specifically that acting gave me permission, like as a person in my life, I wasn't able to, I would get in trouble for acting out.

• 51:53Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  But when I played this little boy Fritz in uh, The Nutcracker who like breaks things and is this mischievous little shit. I got to be that and I enjoyed that. So like it was just, it was a, it was a freedom.

• 52:05Josh Horowitz?

  Uninhibited. Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Green light. Do whatever you want. And, and I had sort of over time robbed myself of that. And then hearing Jim say that I was like, oh, okay. That's incredible acting advice. And now, now I get to like take something new and learn from it and

• 52:22Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  run with it.

• 52:23Josh Horowitz?

  Well, that's what hopefully the best, one of the best benefits of success and affirmation gives you is trust in yourself and being able to be as free. Cause that's, that's what it's all about. I mean, having talked to a thousand actors, it's like somehow getting to that flow state where you shut out all the noise and you're just in the moment, trusting yourself, trusting the actor in front of you and blotting out all like the, the demons in our heads that, that, that, that um, that stop creativity, I guess.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:50Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  And it's, and it's like still, I mean, I did shows where like the guest star that came with the most

• 52:59Speaker 01

  freedom and understanding of character was the best one there. It has to be, it has to live within the story. It has to like

• 53:07Josh Horowitz?

  Honor the framework and the whole thing.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you have to, you still have to be intelligent about it, but to have that freedom and to, like I was saying, I'm so terrified to talk to like McHugh or uh, Breckheimer, like to, to know that I have permission to exist in those spaces and to know that a, a director I respect so much is like, come on, like be you, be more of you. He also would be the first person to be like, that was terrible dude again.

• 53:37Josh Horowitz?

  No, he's tough. I get it. I've spent time. Yeah. He's a smart man, but he, yeah, he doesn't suffer fools. Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  But

• 53:43Josh Horowitz?

  Totally.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  But then, but even more so, you like build your, your strength because you're like, okay, and I will,

• 53:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  You know, I watched Ed Norton do that so brilliantly. He would just, I mean, he would just flow because he's also a writer. He would flow and then he would have things cut out and he would pivot and it would still be brilliant and it would be just something different and it would be like I just, that I, I found to be like his dexterity.

• 54:06Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, he's one of the

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 54:08Josh Horowitz?

  One of the top ones out there. Um, I want to tease a couple of things coming up. So you've shot Artificial, which is a Luca Gladonino film. Just the Luca experience. Every actor is dying to work with Luca.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:22Josh Horowitz?

  What was it like? What was the shoot like?

• 54:24Speaker 01

  He's incredible. I, some people have a really good like accent, imitation of his accent. I don't, I gotta work on it.

• 54:30Josh Horowitz?

  Press first comedy.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  The instinct is just to go into a Luca impression.

• 54:34Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  But yeah, I mean, similarly, he wants actors to like really follow their impulses and, and um, expand in the space. And I think that's really wonderful.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  And also it, it's, we were dealing with like really challenging material um, in terms of like what we're saying about again, people who are alive.

• 54:58Josh Horowitz?

  You're playing a real person in this, right?

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so I don't know, I mean, this, I feel like had a particular kind of flavor to it as far as his films are concerned because it's based on real events. So, so I think it's probably different than the way he might usually work or our task was so heavily research based and then, I mean, his, his approach with like, I mean, he's, he's, he does such interesting camera work too, like uh, he was bringing a lot of himself, of course, and then I, again, our job was kind of just to like stay

• 55:45Speaker 01

  deep with, sorry, always the first time I talk about

• 55:50Josh Horowitz?

  No, it's okay. You haven't, you haven't done the press tour yet.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  I haven't done two days of junket about it yet. I don't have the sentences.

• 55:56Josh Horowitz?

  No, but I get you're

• 55:57Speaker 01

  It's

• 55:57Josh Horowitz?

  Cause when I think of him, I do hear often from actors about the fluidity of his sets, but it sounds like by the nature of this material, yes, that's there because it's always going to be there with him.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:05Josh Horowitz?

  But you have to work.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  He's in a flow state, but yes, there's also an accuracy component.

• 56:09Josh Horowitz?

  There's the facts. The facts are the facts.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which was very different. Um, and I'm interested to see how that will go as we promote the film.

• 56:17Josh Horowitz?

  Have you seen the movie yet?

• 56:18Speaker 01

  Um, I have.

• 56:19Josh Horowitz?

  Is it, is it a comedy? Would you call it a comedy? I mean, Simon Rich is a very funny writer.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Yes. Yes, he is. Um, it, one day we would show up and Luca would be like, this is, what was the word he used? This is a, oh, what was it? Like a zany comedy? What was the word he would use?

• 56:45Josh Horowitz?

  Madcap?

• 56:45Speaker 01

  He would just be like, this is, yeah, basically madcap comedy. Um, that wasn't the word. I'll find it eventually.

• 56:51Josh Horowitz?

  All good.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  And then the next day he'd be like, it's a horror story. And so we're like, huh, huh, huh, what?

• 56:56Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  And I think having seen it, I'm like, yeah.

• 57:00Josh Horowitz?

  All, it's all of it.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  It's, it's all of that.

• 57:02Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  But I don't, to be clear, I don't think it, um, it does not suffer at all from lack of tone or confusion of tone. It's just, I think it, I think actually in reality, it kind of also is all of that.

• 57:17Josh Horowitz?

  I'm excited to see. I'm glad it's found a home. This was, this is a strange circumstance, but Neon is a great home for a film like this, it sounds like.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:25Josh Horowitz?

  Great.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:26Josh Horowitz?

  We'll talk about that hopefully soon.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:28Josh Horowitz?

  Um, we can say officially you're doing Oceans. That's been announced, right?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:32Josh Horowitz?

  So Bradley Cooper not only starring in it with Margot, Bradley directing it.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:36Josh Horowitz?

  Talented filmmaker, to say the least.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:39Josh Horowitz?

  Did you have to audition for this? Did he come to you?

• 57:41Speaker 01

  I did audition.

• 57:42Josh Horowitz?

  Nailed it. Killed it.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  Thank you. I guess I did. Um, yeah, I did. I taped for it.

• 57:49Josh Horowitz?

  Sixty's set Monaco backstory of like the, the Danny Ocean's parents essentially, right? It's, it's

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you pick that up from the internet, then that's what's out.

• 57:59Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Well, I said it, not you.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, it's like, I, you know, it's always hard to comment on something before you've even stepped foot on set.

• 58:05Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 58:06Speaker 01

  Um, but I'm super stoked. Bradley is a director I really admire. He's an actor I admire. Uh, Margot, same thing. Her production company is just like so incredible. I, I find her and her husband, like what they've done is just, and the whole company, um, what they've done is just,

• 58:25Speaker 01

  I mean, it's amazing to get to see a woman produce to that capacity. And I, I, I find that very cool. So I'm not only excited to work with them as actors, that kind of like blows me away. Um, but also to get to see how they operate in that environment where she is producing and he is directing and where they're acting in the project and doing both of those things. I'm just like,

• 58:52Josh Horowitz?

  Totally.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  I just, I mean, I've, I've always been a person who really likes to sit in video village and just absorb what's going on. I did that like almost every day on Unreal because I was like, I just want to be here. I just want to know what this is.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  And I expect to do that again with this just because they're so,

• 59:13Speaker 01

  yeah.

• 59:13Josh Horowitz?

  No, they're two of the best. I've seen like Margot at like film festivals just like to be there to like see movies. Like I tell you, Raj, like you don't have a movie here. Like she's just like watching movies. She's the real deal. I love.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Somehow she manages to be like a full-time producer and a full-time actor. I have no idea how she does it.

• 59:28Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I should let you go soon, but just to ask like, how active is the Top Gun text thread? Like, is there a date? Do you have like time carved out for the sequel? Like, are you hopeful?

• 59:38Speaker 01

  The, the Top Gun text thread has been kind of quiet for a minute.

• 59:42Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. We've had, we've had a lot of like, um,

• 59:49Speaker 01

  yeah, I, I don't, I don't know anything. We can't say anything and I don't know anything. So, and that's happened, that's happened several times throughout this process. It's not to say that any rumors aren't true, but, but, but

• 1:00:05Josh Horowitz?

  It seems like there's a will, but we don't, we're not quite at the point where we know like definitively what's happening.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:11Josh Horowitz?

  Is that fair to say?

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. But it is reminding me, I do think um, Jay Ellis makes an appearance in One Night Only. Um, which I'm pretty excited about. And uh, yeah, I, I feel like we should, we should all hop on a FaceTime sometime soon. Cause like it's, now that I'm thinking about it, it's been a minute. We used to do them pretty regularly.

• 1:00:28Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 1:00:32Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. We end with this happy second few profoundly random questions. Monica, you ready for these? I know the answer to the first one based on our conversation. Dogs or cats?

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Dogs. Well, I love cats too.

• 1:00:42Josh Horowitz?

  No shade to cats, but

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Yes, I, I would more readily adopt a dog.

• 1:00:47Josh Horowitz?

  What do you collect?

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Ooh, what do I collect?

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Not much. I live out of a suitcase.

• 1:00:56Josh Horowitz?

  That's okay. You're busy.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, suitcases.

• 1:01:00Josh Horowitz?

  Suitcases to fill up. That's okay. That's fine.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  And journals. I'd love, I, I like write, I journal. So I got a lot of those full of thoughts.

• 1:01:10Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have a favorite video game of all time?

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  A favorite?

• 1:01:13Josh Horowitz?

  Video game.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  No, I was not much of a gamer.

• 1:01:17Josh Horowitz?

  No games even growing up?

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  I did enjoy GoldenEye, like as, like I would go to my friends and I learned that I could just make the character go like this and it was really hard to shoot him. That was the extent of my video game.

• 1:01:27Josh Horowitz?

  Sure. Hardcore gamer, Monica Barbaro.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  She learned a trick nobody will ever try again.

• 1:01:34Josh Horowitz?

  Dakota Johnson asked me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one be in your butt?

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Like in your butt?

• 1:01:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. You're really going there.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  I know. I almost started to cry over that, thinking about my mouth. Um.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  That's maybe the hardest question I've ever gotten.

• 1:01:58Josh Horowitz?

  That's why I ask you.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Dakota Johnson asked you this?

• 1:02:00Josh Horowitz?

  I know.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  Well done.

• 1:02:01Josh Horowitz?

  Deviant mind.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  She's a really creative.

• 1:02:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, person. Um, and deep, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:09Josh Horowitz?

  There's a lot going on there.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  Darkly deviant. Oh, shit. Um.

• 1:02:14Josh Horowitz?

  There are no wrong answers.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Maybe my, maybe my, mm.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  No, I guess my, the most, the more convenient one would be my butt.

• 1:02:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Cause I could like hide that.

• 1:02:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, just so you know.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  The mouth, I could take a break. I would take a break.

• 1:02:28Josh Horowitz?

  Ninety-two percent.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  I might get some sleep.

• 1:02:30Josh Horowitz?

  Do the, do the butt. I can't believe I just said that word, but yes, they go with the butt.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Also, ninety percent do the butt.

• 1:02:36Josh Horowitz?

  What's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  Obviously my dog.

• 1:02:40Josh Horowitz?

  Nice.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Josh Horowitz?

  Last actor you were mistaken for?

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Happens all the time.

• 1:02:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  The recent one, it's a, it's whoever's current and also whoever, if I'm standing next to any man, any woman who's been in association with that man, they'll say I look like them. I don't know if it happens to the other women, but it happens to me. Um, I think the last actor though, recently is, I don't know how to say, Emily Bader Bader?

• 1:03:09Josh Horowitz?

  Bader.

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  Bader, Bader, Emily Bader.

• 1:03:11Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Which, it's always a compliment. I'm always like, okay.

• 1:03:15Josh Horowitz?

  Sure. Worst noted director has ever given you?

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Uh, don't think. Actors aren't supposed to think.

• 1:03:24Josh Horowitz?

  Come on.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:03:26Josh Horowitz?

  Was that the face you gave in response to that?

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:03:32Josh Horowitz?

  Do you want to name names?

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Um, I do, but I actually, here's the biggest flex. I don't even remember his name.

• 1:03:38Josh Horowitz?

  Love it. There it is.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  We could find it out because I could say what project it was, but no, I'm not going to say it. I don't remember his name and uh, he does not deserve the shout out.

• 1:03:47Josh Horowitz?

  Agreed. Okay. Finally, in the spirit of happy, sad, confused, an actor who always makes you happy. You see them on screen, you're in a better mood.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Ooh. Uh, Amy Adams, Kate Hudson, Goldie Hawn?

• 1:03:59Josh Horowitz?

  Perfect.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:04:00Josh Horowitz?

  Movie that makes you sad?

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  And Sorni Weaver.

• 1:04:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Movie that makes you sad?

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Ooh, um.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  God, the documentary Amy wrecked me for like three days. And

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  I have this yearning to re-watch Whale Rider.

• 1:04:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Not because it's ultimately sad, but, but I do think like when I want to feel.

• 1:04:28Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Deeply.

• 1:04:29Josh Horowitz?

  One of those, yeah.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  That's what I'm gonna turn on.

• 1:04:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. And a food that makes you confused. You don't get it.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  A food that makes me confused.

• 1:04:37Josh Horowitz?

  Why, why do the people, why do people eat that?

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  Why do people eat that? Well, I understa, I don't, I just don't, I just hate peaches.

• 1:04:45Josh Horowitz?

  Interesting.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Josh Horowitz?

  I haven't heard that one before. Okay.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's not like, it's not like I don't get it. I just don't like them.

• 1:04:50Josh Horowitz?

  Not for you.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I also discovered a weird thing about me is that I don't like songs where they sing about fruit.

• 1:04:58Josh Horowitz?

  Now, we've opened up a minefield at the very end.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Which just, it came up in conversation and then it was just, it was like, it was called to our attention that that's a weird thing to have said.

• 1:05:07Josh Horowitz?

  Is there a, is there an example? Like what's a, like?

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  I'm just about to burn some bridges. Um, I like, like I don't like the song Watermelon Sugar. Like I just don't, I don't like it.

• 1:05:21Josh Horowitz?

  Fair enough.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  What, there's more though. I, poor, poor Harry Styles. He really needs my support. Um, I like Harry Styles just fine. Um, but no.

• 1:05:29Josh Horowitz?

  You've created a beef today with Harry Styles.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  He's like, who is she? What? Um, um, what else? There's, there was, there were other ones.

• 1:05:38Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  It actually turned into like a, just a riff train of songs that have things about, I used to really hate the line, really love your peaches, want to shake your tree. Not because of what it's talking about, but because I'm like, oh, peaches.

• 1:05:51Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  But there's, there's.

• 1:05:54Josh Horowitz?

  We're gonna have to continue this internet therapy session.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, so sorry. We don't have time to unpack that one.

• 1:06:00Josh Horowitz?

  Oh my God.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  I don't, I didn't, I didn't know it was a thing until I said, I was like, yeah, I think I just don't like when people sing about fruit. And then that.

• 1:06:06Josh Horowitz?

  Breakthrough.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And now I've given it over to the internet.

• 1:06:09Josh Horowitz?

  I love it. We thank you for that. We thank you for that, your performances and the rest is, the, the best is yet to come. You're doing great. You're killing it. I'm so happy we had a chance to catch up for this one. Uh, everybody check out One Night Only. Reward big rom-coms on the big screen. Come together.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Absurdity and billboards everywhere. Please go see it.

• 1:06:30Josh Horowitz?

  There it is. There it is. Monica, thank you for the time today. I appreciate you.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't.

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