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• 0:34Speaker 01

  Hello and welcome to another episode of This Car Pod. I am Kenan.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  I'm Doug's crazy friend Nick.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  And Doug and Filippo are not here this week. They are both on vacation. So we have brought our crazy friend Nick, who has a Bentley and a Merci logo and all that crazy stuff, to do this episode with us. But we're going to follow the same format as usual. And we're going to jump right in with the news, starting with BMW.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Our favorite.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  BMW recently released their production numbers for quarter one. And they say that the 5 Series outsold all of its competition. So that's the Mercedes-Benz E-Class, the Audi A6 and S6, the Volvo S80, Lexus S, all those cars in Europe. They sold 20,402 units, which is substantially more than all of the other competitors sold together. Now, this is kind of interesting news in that in the United States, it's like the 5 Series is pretty ubiquitous. They're around, but sedans aren't really that hot in demand. But in Europe, they seem to be much more so. And what's interesting to me is that the 5 Series, like all new BMWs, was received as enthusiasts hated it. They're all upset about this car. It's so ugly. It's new. I hate it. Well, the market disagrees.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  People are buying these cars.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  I agree with the enthusiasts. I hate it. It's awful. Take it away from the screen.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Look, everybody says that. And then, like, they said that about the E60, that aged and everybody ended up liking that car. This car, it seems to be largely the same. But there's one car on this list that I noticed that they slated as the competition in this car, and it's the Maserati Ghibli. Now, take a wild guess, from January till April, how many cars do you think Maserati sold? Or how many units of the Ghibli do you think they sold?

• 2:11Speaker 02

  The Ghibli is in a tough spot. It wasn't liked when it came out. It's pretty stale by now. It's, so if this was 20,000.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  20,000.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Let's be charitable and say they sold 10% as many. So there'd be what, 2,000 units?

• 2:24Speaker 01

  That's interesting. So the Lexus ES, they sold 1,387. The Audi S7, they sold 1,316. The Maserati Ghibli, 51.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Ouch.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  51 units is all they could shift in that period of time. I think we may have sold more Maseratis on cars and vans than they sold. This is the company in general for the Ghibli. It's insane.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  I think they sold more Fisker Oceans here today than they did Maserati Ghiblis in Europe. But the whole thing, the segment's kind of dead, like a big sedan. Maybe it is more alive in Europe, but even 20,000 isn't that many, right? Like, we're analyzing who did the best at underwater basket weaving. Like, it's an absurd competition that no one really tracks. Who cares? So like, I don't know. I still think it's ugly. I wish they had made different choices. I don't think this will translate.

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• 3:42Speaker 02

  If it's US success, I still think sedans are dead.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Interesting. Well, I don't think the market totally disagrees with you on that. But it seems to be that BMW is really proud of having outsold everybody in Q. Good for BMW.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  They needed a win.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  They needed a win. All right, on to the next news story. Ah, yes, Maserati, struggling brands. Nick, what do you have to tell us about Maserati?

• 3:59Speaker 02

  You know, I miss my Quattroporte. The new owner texts me pictures all the time. And you go to like the historic Maseratis. The brand is pretty cool. Like, I have a soft spot in my heart for Maserati. But as you just mentioned, 51 units in Europe. US ain't doing much better. I think the brand is going to die. And that's what the news is starting to rumor is. Stellantis, who's in bad position globally across a lot of their brands, are saying, how do we cut costs? What are the underperforming units we have? Maserati, this was the MC20, I believe is the car. Was sort of their best stab at a success here. And it's been received lukewarm.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  They're trading for about half of what they sold for new on the secondhand market. At this point, they've already kind of taken advantage of it. Like, I just don't see a path forward. I think that they are going to be cut maybe by the end of the year. But I would put them very high on my goal pool in terms of brands that aren't going to be around much longer.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Wow, you don't think they're gonna make it at all? It is a shame. They have such great DNA. And honestly, like, I like the MC20 a lot. I think it's a really cool car. Admittedly, for its MSRP, it is a lot to stomach with a car that has mirrors from a they're just reused from a 458. But it is, it is a wonderful car and it is cool. But they cashed in on the Maserati brand with the Ghibli and the Quattroporte of the recent generation. And, you know, those cars are just.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  The new Gran Turismo, remember that came out?

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's hilarious.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  Running joke in our friend group is, can you tell the old from the new? Or, oh my God, I can't believe that person paid 200 grand for an electric version of that car. Like, it's, it's like a sign that you have bad judgment. Maybe I should get one if you own a new Maserati.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  I see you with a heavily depreciated MC20 in your future.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, probably not that far out either.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Honestly, you just keep waiting. It'll get there. It'll get there. But speaking of exotic brands, we transition to another story. And that is Ferrari. So recently Ferrari registered two new trademarks for two new models that seem to be upcoming. Now, they said that they were going to introduce six new cars this year. They've already introduced a handful of, a couple of cars. They've done the 296 Speciale. And they said the EV was going to come, but now they've kind of pushed that 2026. So in theory.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  Keep pushing.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Some of us, they keep pushing and the market doesn't disagree. Um, but it's, so it seems there'll be four new spots open and they've occupied those with allegedly two cars that are called the SC forty, not the SC four thirty. I know you only know cars to fail in eleven.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Edition, maybe.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Right, right. And this one, which makes less sense, the CZ twenty six. Now I suspect that the latter one maybe will end up being some one-off car because Ferrari does this occasionally for really special clients.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Like the Eric Clapton car?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Like the Eric Clapton car, yeah, the F sixty America, like cars that are just very, very like for really important people. Um, and good clients, but the SC forty has a nice ring to it. Now, there is also rumor that Lewis Hamilton is working with Ferrari to develop an F forty successor that will have a manual transmission. So you kind of start to wonder, it's like, maybe are they like putting that in there? I don't know. Uh, but nonetheless, they have a lot of names to register though. As we know, like the Tesla Rosa was one that they had to, in the fifties, they had a car called the Tester, the two fifty Tesla Rosa pontoon vendor car. Then in the eighties, to keep the trademark alive, they had to re-register those old names because they were going to go out of, uh, they were going to go out of use in Italian law and so they had to recirculate them. And so they started doing that.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  And we've seen that with the SP three Daytona, uh, the Super America, cars like that. They also have other cool names in their inventory though, like Europa, Vignale and like brand, like logos like MM for Amelia Amelia. They haven't brought any of that back, but they've decided that SC forty and CZ twenty six, which just rolls right off the tongue. That's what they want to call these cars potentially. So we'll see.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  This is so your jam and my eyes were just glazing over as you were spitting out random letters. I, I think they should bring back the F one fifty. I, you know, I don't really care what they do. I, I hope that they're actual real cars and not just the one-offs for the billionaires. Uh, they're, they're mildly cool when they do that, but like you and I, we grew up reading DuPont Registry and Googling at, hey, here's a three sixty. Here's a four thirty. Like we knew their cars and now they're just like random letters and consonants. And this one has a deviated stitching on the, the undercarriage or whatever it is. Like it's, it's getting a bit much. So I hope that they're real cars and not just like this random one-off.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  I, I do too. We'll certainly see. The trademarks are out there. We'll see if they actually develop into anything.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  And it better be supercharged if you're going to go SC.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Can you imagine? Has there, there's no. Have they ever done a supercharged Ferrari? They've only done turbos.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Time is now. Better than electric.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  It'll be better than electric. But moving on to the next news story, oh yeah, sticking with high performance. So Porsche recently released their 963 RSP. Now, this was, they would tease this a little while ago that they did a road going version of the 917. They did one example of it and they kind of teased it like, what if we did it again? And so they recently built this car, they built a, but it's a one-off example. Now Doug was concerned as a owner of a Carrera GT in the lineage of the 959 Carrera GT 918. And this will become the new thing. Seems like that's not going to be the case. Porsche says that, you know, it's not a, it's a, it's a situation where they're saying, never say never. We could do this again, but they built this one for Roger Penske.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Now Roger Penske is 88 years old. This car sits a quarter center off the ground.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Good for him, man.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  So I don't think he's going to be using it. Timo Bernhard was the one who drove this car around. They drove around Le Mans with the, the road registered 917, which is built for a contracity and this car, which just see the two of those together. Can you imagine? And they, they did this to like, you know, we're getting closer to Le Mans. And so they wanted to get people excited. And it felt like the right time to do it. But it is interesting. Like the interior of it has like your, like traditional deviated stitching, like Porsche nonsense that you and I can't stand.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Hound's tooth.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  But it is cool. I mean, it has the, you know, twin turbocharged 4.6 liter V8, which is largely shared with the 918 and has like an X-trac gearbox and all that stuff. I mean, it is a racy car. It is the spiritual successor to the 917, but just wild that they're doing this. Can you believe that? Like that's on the road.

• 10:19Speaker 02

  I mean, if, if they saw Aston Martin putting out Valkyries, I have to imagine someone over product planning said, why can't we do that? We have more racing pedigree and more credibility in the space. And let us not forget, you know, we're, I love that we're doing enthusiast stories here, but. My era, the 90s and early 2000s.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  And mine.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  We had the 996 GT1. Imagine if they were selling that to customers and there was more of those hanging out today. Like that, I would freak out over any other Porsche more than I can think of. Like a Carrera GT, any of the new models, 918 Spider, yawn. But give me a 996 GT1, I would lose it.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Or the OK GTR. I mean, and this kind of is that modern.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  They're trying to do the new version, yeah.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, now granted, it's not for homologation purposes. They're just doing this because they can.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  They also, they built it, this car was actually built in the United States, which I think is fascinating. They built it in a factory, they like partitioned part of it off and kept it secret from normal employees. They didn't know what they were doing. Wild stuff. But if they, it is interesting, they say, never say never. And there could be cars like the CLK GTR and the GT1 and stuff like that that come back. That would be pretty cool. But that's the modern.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  If I were David Axelrod with Axe Capital, I would, I would want something like this.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  This flex.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Nice, love a good billions, right?

• 11:36Speaker 02

  That's a cute, you know, 992.4 GT7. I got, I got the real car.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  I don't know what they're, what numbers and letters they're on now, but.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, but it's funny you mention the Valkyrie because that's actually our next news story. So Aston Martin has announced they're going to build 10 versions of the Valkyrie and they're going to do the LM. So Aston Martin is taking this car to Le Mans this year.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Very exciting. It's going to have an NAV12 at Le Mans. Legit. But they're going to build 10 cars that they've allegedly, I think they're currently on sale. I don't think they've sold them to customers. They're track only models, but the thing that's interesting about this is this is very much like some other cars that they've done in that this isn't built for a race series. They can do whatever. It's track only, but they can do whatever they want, no restrictions. And so these cars might actually end up being faster than the cars that are going, that will race at Le Mans. But nonetheless. It is a, it's, it's, I just, I love that manufacturers are doing crazy stuff like this. And also, as if the normal Valkyrie wasn't insane enough. It's like, how rich do you have to be to like, you need this level of drug to like, scratch your automotive itch?

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was gonna say that the, the feedback that I've heard on the Valkyries, it's too soft and unfocused. So I'm glad they're listening to their customers here and making it more hardcore and extreme. But it is really cool. I know you strongly disagree with this, but we both love the F40. I love the F40 LM. I like the race car version of the already over the top one. So just from a pure like, the halo to the halo car. This is a cool move by them. I, I, it's gonna have a very limited market, but even think of the FXX versus the regular Enzo and cars like that.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Well, it's interesting you mentioned that. So they, they were very specific to point out that customers can just take these cars. These don't have to live at the factory. But of course, if you want the factory to come and prep your car and do the whole track day thing, they will send people out to do that. But, and to be clear, I don't like when people put F40 LM stuff on the normal F40.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  You like the pop-ups?

• 13:31Speaker 01

  I, yes, I like the pop-ups. I like the normal wing. I like the, the normal, the wheels in particular, the standard F40 wheels.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Oh, but a good five spoke.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Good five spoke.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  But the, the LM has the cool five spokes.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Yes, but the, it just doesn't look right to me. It's like, and the thing with the, but I get it for the brake upgrades, because the normal F40 brakes.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Some, some of us like some bolt-ons, if you know what I mean.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  You mod things and I don't. That's one of our great differences. But nonetheless, pricing hasn't come out about all these, but a standard Valkyrie is a $3.2 million car. So you have to imagine these will be far closer to five. Who knows? Uh, but nonetheless, it's really cool that Aston is.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  I, I think this is the future for Aston. I think producing mid-tier V8 Vantages and like, sort of everyday cars with AMG engines, people are gonna get bored of. But if you just go more and more extreme, this gets people talking. It's desirable and I'd rather see them sell a couple cars for $3 million each than like, a bunch of cars that are worth $35,000 10 years later because they're.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Fancy Jaguars.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  And who knows if the, if the racing car is successful at Le Mans? You know, I mean, that might be, make these cars even more appealing. It's like, that's what happened with the McLaren F1, you know? I mean, it won, it won Le Mans.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  The, to the Aston Martin people, if you're listening, for the press launch, you need to have Alonso in the regular Valkyrie and Stroll in the LM and see who's faster around the track.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Well, I can take a wild guess.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  I don't know, I don't know, it's got some downforce.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Stroll, Stroll put it into a wall.

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• 16:19Speaker 01

  But on this movie, speaking of English brands, we move on to Jaguar. Nick, you want to talk about that?

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Oh, good day, mate. Oh, no, it's not English. Yes, Jaguar, another favorite brand of mine. I love the XKR, XK120, the E-Type, and nothing made sense. So they had this disastrous rebrand. They were going to go into $100,000-plus EVs. Obviously, the EV market has cooled considerably, to put it mildly. The ultra-luxury segment is kind of in a flux, and everyone made fun of Jaguar. Now, I work in advertising, and as someone in an ad exec-type position, I could see what they were going for, right? There's been so many hot takes of, "Oh, they just needed to get attention and change the conversation, and what they were doing wasn't working," yada, yada, yada. I think they looked at a GQ magazine and said,

• 17:08Speaker 02

  "How does Louis Vuitton, or Dior, or Gucci, they have these weird sort of..." Sexually ambiguous models in like high fashion and that's that's how they portray luxury. So I think they were trying to go with like a very ultra luxury mode, but this was a failure. All it really did was get people talking about how bad their ideas were, how bad the brand has fallen. Like it was all negative publicity and I think you'd be crazy right now to be building all EVs. There's no one doing that successfully. I can't believe Lucid is still around.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  Other than they have very deep pockets from their investors. You look at Karma, I can't believe they're still around. Tesla is clearly not doing well for reasons both in and out of their control. But the EV segment is really tough. So I think Jag threw a hail mary pitch. It got intercepted and ran back to use the sports analogy there all the way. I think they're done. I, I, I think they're probably going to private equity right now and trying to find investors and saying, look, we'll roll out a new ad campaign, we'll rebrand again, but I, I can't see coming back from this.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  So you think Maserati is gonna die? You think Jaguar is going to die?

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  And you think that maybe some modern EV manufacturers are going to die?

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, all the modern EV brands short of Tesla and Tesla's not in a great spot either, but I think a lot of them are gonna die. Rivian, Rivian will be okay.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  So not all, so there are.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  And like BYD, anyone that's heavy in APAC and doing well in APAC will be fine.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Yes, any of the Chinese manufacturers, it seems like this is their, this is just the beginning of how great they're going to do. It seems, but.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  I think more like Chrysler is down to one model, that's not looking good. Alfa Romeo, to the point on the earlier podcast, the local dealership there is pushing used Mercedes harder than they are the new Alfa lineup. I think they'll come out of the US. I don't think they'll die entirely. I think Aston has a little longer runway, but if they don't get some traction somewhere soon, I think they could be in a tough pickle. Jag is obviously dead on arrival. I think there's a few others I wrote down in my notes that, that don't look very good, but it's, it's getting tricky out there.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  It is, it is interesting and this, it is true, this ad campaign did get us all talking about Jaguar, but none of it was positive, like you said. So I don't know, it would make me sad to lose Jag for the cars that we love from their past. But I mean, when was the last time you got excited over a Jag?

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Realistically, I mean, it was the recession.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  Those cars, yeah, were so long ago that everyone's forgotten and moved on.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. So I don't know, we'll see. The future remains uncertain for Jaguar. Quelle surprise. Ah, yes, moving on to

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Talking of electric cars, moving on to Trump's Tesla.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's submitting at the Cars and Bids. It'll be No Reserve going live on Monday.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, so Trump has said that he's going to sell his Tesla. The quote, you wanted me to read around this because I think it's great, which I will happily do. I mean, I may move the Tesla around a little bit. I have a lot of locations. I have so many locations. I don't know what to do with them all. Well, he should sell it here. That's, that's what he should do is sell it on Cars and Bids.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Based on how well the ex-Trump Diablo did, I think he'd do really well as a business model to just drive it around a little bit and flip it. Kind of like I do with the Bentley and all of my cars, right? Like, he could film some content, like, I'd be all for this, but, uh, yeah, he doesn't, there's a little bit of a breakup in case you're not paying attention to the news. I don't think the Trump's, the, I'm sorry, the president, not the Trump, the president's allowed to drive his own car, is he?

• 20:35Speaker 01

  No, I mean, Biden did that thing where he drove his C2 Corvette, but it was on a closed airfield.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, just in the driveway, wasn't it?

• 20:42Speaker 01

  All right, for the Seinfeld thing, I think they drove like, or that was Obama. Obama drove.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Liability reasons, they don't want him driving because what if he hurts himself or whatever.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Well, exactly, but no, that, that they closed down an airfield and he did it with Jay Leno and drove like around this airfield and it was the first time he'd driven a car since before he.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Dude, that would be all of my executive orders. Let me just, uh, close down airfields and, and race.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  And drive your mercy.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  But what, what I'd like to make the point is to, to the president, if he's listening, you know, Biden's ATSV sold with us. Are you gonna let Biden beat you? Are you gonna let him sell his car with us and you're not gonna do it? You have to bring it here. It's the best place to sell a car. The only other places losers, but nonetheless, I think is, this whole situation is crazy, the whole Elon busting and it's, it's all insane. But I did, that quote this week was

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  The, the other famous quote was that there's screens everywhere and that's exactly how.

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• 22:09Speaker 02

  I feel when I get into a modern car, my newest car is a 2014 and it's like when navigation was an option, people paid a lot extra for to have a screen. So I feel the same way. Screens everywhere.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Screens everywhere. That's extraordinary, but not a surprise. Somewhere sometime soon someone will buy his Tesla and.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  You think, you think they'll make that quiet?

• 22:29Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  He got a special bin. He should like ending in four, five or four, seven.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  I do. I do wonder if he had a special bin.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  He should have. That's the least Elon could have done.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  The very least, but yeah, alas. All right. That concludes the new segment. We have to move on. We want to move on to the talking cars segment. Now you have a lot to talk about when it comes to your car. So let's start right in. Let's start with the Mercy. What's going on with your Mercy?

• 22:53Speaker 02

  All right. I've kept it a little under wraps, but this is a great opportunity to talk about it. So I've had the Mercy now two and a half years, a little more. It's an e-gear car. I'd say it was, I've wanted to swap it since I've gotten it. That technology basically didn't exist or wasn't finalized until mid to late last year. And I've talked a few times on this podcast about doing it. I probably spent six months talking to everyone that does it, getting quotes, talking to them. I finally pulled the trigger and so the car was shipped out about a month ago. It is, the swap is done.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Done.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  They've driven it a couple hundred miles. They've Q8 it and it's supposed to get shipped back this week. So I'm gonna soon be a stick Mercy owner. I drove another converted car as well and like, oh, it's so sublime. But this actually all started because I wanted to sell the Mercy and I was gonna sell it on Cars and Bids. The e-gear values are still like pretty weak and the manual values are still two to three X. And you just look at it and think this is so dumb. Why would someone pay that much more for a manual, especially if you intend to drive it and not just put it in a, you know, a collection somewhere? So the, the manual conversions are expensive. I got quoted anywhere from 40 grand to 100 grand to do it. And that's what everyone wants to ask. And I think.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  The the the delta and the values between an E gear and a OE stick are more than a hundred grand easily, double, triple that. However, if you look at the Ferrari market, a converted car never gets what an OE car gets or even near it, but it should get back what it costs to convert it, or a multiplier, or either a good chunk of that, if not the whole thing.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that your reasoning makes a lot of sense. I also think the Lamborghini market in particular is less sensitive to modifications than the Ferrari one.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Ferrari people, they don't, they do not like modifications at all.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  And also, like, the Lamborghinis who drive their cars more, generally speaking. And so I think the stick conversion makes a ton of sense in your car. And like you said, the spread is, like, the chasm is so large.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  It's irrational. It does not make sense to be paying over a million dollars for the same car that you could buy for 200K, with the main difference being a click-clack.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Right. And granted, I prefer gated manual transmission. I love it. The E gear, I have to say, in your car was pretty fun to drive, honestly. I don't think you lost that much of the experience. It's still insane, every aspect.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I was an E gear apologist.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Apologist?

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Apologist, thank you. It is fun at high speeds when we do our canyon cruises. It is unbearable in first, and unbearable in reverse. If you're trying to parallel park somewhere, if you're using it as a normal car, it's really annoying in those capacities. And it still is, like, it's always more fun. So I was, when I was thinking of selling it, I was looking at a Diablo. I love the Diablo. I was just, like, fascinated by it. And then I started to wonder, well, how much of it is because I'm shifting my own gears? Like, it's certainly that it felt more analog was like the the primary attraction, but...

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Oh, look at that car.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  I know. They're so cool. They're so cool. And I think you and I both, like, this car imprinted on us from an early age, that, like, it's wedge-shaped. It's so neat.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Bedazzled. The movie with Brendan Fraser and Elizabeth Hurley, the devil, she's plays the devil and she drove a Lamborghini Diablo. I really want to think memory serves me, but...

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Or in Gone in 60 Seconds, when they're boosting cars and Nick Cage has the famous line, "Angelina Jolie."

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Yep, exactly.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  I won't repeat it in case I get censored again, but... Nonetheless, so I may end up still selling the car when I get it back. I want to drive it some and then have it be the first public sale of a converted car. That was originally my pitch. But after driving even just one converted car, I'm like, oh, this might actually be a keeper. So I'm pretty excited. I went with Makina Motorworks. They're in Austin. Basically, they have been converting Ferraris for many, many years under a different brand name, and then there was a whole split. But they they got a lot of experience doing that with the Ferraris. And I think the other thing you mentioned was the Ferrari purists are a little weird on conversions, but some of the early Ferrari conversions,

• 27:02Speaker 02

  they used, instead of using like a solid rod, they use cables. The cables were notorious for getting stretched and needing readjusted and not being great. I think with the Lambo, they're taking a lot of those learnings and developing it right with 2025 technology. So.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Is it a shift rod then, in that case?

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's all it's all solid, as far as I understand.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  And like they're, and it's an engine out. I mean, it's a it's a pretty substantial service, but I think that they're they're like even the the factory cars at this point are out of calibration in terms of their E gear. So like, you can actually make it ship better than an OE stick, or at least that's what everyone says. So I'll get the car back hopefully next week. I'm going to drive a ton on it and then produce some videos for Cars and Bids, going over the whole experience. And then maybe, just maybe, we'll be selling it. Maybe we'll be keeping it. That sort of remains to be seen.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  I suspect you hold on to it for a little. I mean, you should drive it and get the experience of driving a manual Mercy.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I definitely want to do that. I'm keeping it the whole summer regardless.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  I was texting with Ed Bolian about his Diablo SV, and he didn't want to trade because he's got two Diablo SVs and doesn't really need another Merci Alago. But I've been kind of like quietly shopping around just to see what's out there. There's a few cars I got my eyes on, but for now, a Mercy, a stick Mercy is going to be pretty killer.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  It's insane. It's such an insane car. I'm so excited for you to get it back and I'm. I'm glad you took the plunge. You did a lot of research, like looking at a number of different conversions and this one seemed to be the one you settled on.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  I'm still terrified. I'm still terrified. The guys at Mach and I have been great, like he texts me every day, we're going over things. I made them keep it an extra week and just drive it a ton, but like there's still a lot of unknowns, right? Like I think the total number of converted Mercis is probably 20 across everyone who offers it, maybe 30. So like no one's like had a long-term ownership experience yet, which makes you nervous, but it's the same trans, it's the same clutch.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Well, this isn't exactly cutting-edge technology.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're all taking the OE cars and basically reverse engineering it. The main hurdle, the reason why these didn't exist up until recently was just the TCU programming, which someone finally cracked the code on, pun intended. So I can't see why this would be problematic long-term, but time to drive it. And that's a nice thing, my car is miles, so like let's drive it a couple thousand more miles.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  It's the one you want to do that to. Ultimately, it's the right use case for this, so I'm very excited. I can't believe, I can't believe it's happened that fast. Like I thought this would, Doug and I both thought you were, you're an idiot and it's gonna, this car won't be back before car week and admittedly it ain't back now.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  They were basically done in two weeks. And then there was a delay where one of the guys got married or something like that. But like it goes quick once they get it up on the left and start. They had the engine in and out in the same week and had all those things done. And then the next week was waiting for the new carbon center council to come in and a few odds and ends to put it back together. But they've done enough now that it's not, they're like, it's not hard, it's just time-consuming.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Man, that's what I found with Ryan from E39, so when he started doing conversions on the E60, the first one took like two and a half months. Now he can do it in a week.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  I'm not saying if you take your car to him, the thing is you always run into other stuff. Did you run into any other things?

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Motor mounts were toast, which I guess is fairly common. Uh, there was one other minor thing. Everyone's gonna have some while you're in there. So it's just a matter of how deep you wanna go.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, it's a Lamborghini at the end of the day. There's always something.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  A 20-year-old Lamborghini.

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• 31:13Speaker 01

  But this isn't the only car you have, not only in...

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  I'm looking at the front of the very stately Urina. What's the latest with the Urina? A video went live?

• 31:21Speaker 02

  The video went live today when we were filming this, so Wednesday for you all in the future.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  On the Cars and Bids channel?

• 31:26Speaker 02

  On the Cars and Bids channel. Actually, it's, I think, the sixth in the series. So if you haven't, check it out. It's a lot of fun. It's not getting the views that some of the other videos do, but we have brought it back from the dead. I mean, it showed up. It was an $18,000 car that a door didn't open, a window didn't go up. It had every light illuminated in the dash possible, which is impressive. You had to turn the brights on and the cruise control on to get all the lights, but we could get all the lights. I mean, just absolute basket case. I have spent 10 grand on it, on an $18,000 car.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Yikes.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  It is so nice now. It gets like, literally, someone like, as I was leaving my house, gave me a thumbs up like a random landscaper. Like, it's just, it's like stops people in their tracks when they see this purple Bentley just like putzing around. And it drives great. I haven't, it hasn't broken down in a while. It's a normal car.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  When you showed up with it for the first time here at the office and I got to see the car in person, I was, I, just like Doug, was like, "I don't think you've realized what you've signed up for here." It smelled like coolant. It was, it was rough. The thing was beat. But in the end, it does seem like you've done better than we had, any of us had anticipated.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  I thought you'd need an engine. I thought it would need all kinds of stuff, but it doesn't. Touch wood, doesn't seem to have needed that. And you have turned it around. You, if this car hadn't ended up with you, I think it would just end up for parts, to be totally honest with you. And even then, it would have been a stretch.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  It's like the old Land Rover. It needs to go to someone willing to get their hands dirty and also look for parts. Some parts are N L A, no longer available. But there, there was a, a viewer sent a clip to Mr. Gadget Guy, I think his name was.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Oh, uh huh.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  He reviews electronics. He bought an Arnage at a Mecum auction in similar shape as mine, like needed a lot of stuff. He didn't even look at it. He sent it immediately to the Bentley dealer in Broward or Palm Beach.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  And said, spare no expense, fix everything you can find. And they spent seventy three thousand dollars on the initial round of repairs. He picks it up from the dealership and drives it home a hundred miles and doesn't make it home. The transmission goes out.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  He sends it back. He's basically into this car over a hundred grand. And

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Yikes.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  The, the list of stuff that he fixed and the list of stuff I fixed is almost identical, both in terms of the failure points, as well as just like the number and severity of issues. So just paying dealership prices and paying for the, both the parts and the labor is the difference between spending ten grand on the car and a hundred grand on the car in terms of your refurb. He did a few things too, I wouldn't recommend, um, but even my wood trim, right? That was my most expensive fix, thirty five hundred bucks. I got a quote for twelve grand to redo it. And that's where the dealer would have sent it. So like, and then you can imagine they probably also charge five hours of labor, removing the trim and installing it. It's like you're, you're suddenly getting to like fifteen grand in wood trim.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Man.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  It just, it adds up really quickly if you aren't trying to be smart about the costs. And this guy, for better or worse, just told the dealership, make it new, I don't care.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Man, Bentley taxes.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Heavy, heavy.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  But if you're an enthusiast, that wasn't that bad. I'm in it under thirty, barely. Um, and it's for thirty, that's a pretty cool daily.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  It is. Now admittedly, you could buy, probably buy a decent one for thirty.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  They, they, all the dealers asked thirty to forty. All of the online results are not supporting those comps, but.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  I suspect anyone you buy is gonna need stuff. No one's maintained it well. Other than Mr. Gadget Guys, who I can't imagine he would let go of it now that he's 100 grand deep into this 30 grand car, but.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Yep. He's gotta get, well, I hope he enjoys driving it. He's gotta get a lot of miles.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, he better, he better.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Well, so I'm glad to hear the Bentley's coming to show. I can't wait to borrow that thing. I've dreamt of driving in an R.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  It's yours next week.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Oh, I cannot wait to report back on that. Hopefully no issues. Again, touch wood.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  But touch very high polished.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, veneers, yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Um, but nonetheless.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  It's such a special car.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  It is so special. I'm glad you're gonna hold on to that one for a little bit and enjoy that car. Man. God, your garage.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  I was maybe gonna sell it earlier to get a multiple. I put a deposit down on a multiple. My dude showed up. It was so rusted, he could bend the frame. So we're back to the drawing board on the multiple, but until I get the next project car in, I'm keeping this one. So I'm on the lookout for an appropriate level of project car, not too far gone, but not too nice. Um, so it could come or go anytime. Yeah. If you have a multiple, holler. But I think there's like two people in all of North America, so.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's very.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Ideally, if you're in like Poland or Netherlands, that would be ideal.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Very true. Now, I, so I'm glad your cars are doing well. Seems that all was good on that. I can't wait for the Mercedes to come home. I drove an interesting car last week, so we're doing a special film on a car that's coming out very soon. So I drove a BMW E9 CSL. Uh, now you're, you know vaguely of this car, the Batmobile.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  You drove an E9 at Car Week last year.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  I did.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  And all of us were like, this is such a canon car. It is, it's handsome. It's a little slow. It's, it's, it's just perfect for you.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  It is. Now, this one, I need one with the M-stripe, so.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  This is a special version of the E9.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Correct. The E9 in general is a, is a really wonderful car and it gave birth to the BMW Big Coupe. So the six series that came after the eight series, but the thing about the CSL was it gave birth to the M-division because BMW, it was the first car that the motorsport division built uh, as a dedicated, as a homologation.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  So before the M1.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Before the M1, this was what the, the team worked on. It was actually Bob Lutz brought in a bunch of, it was at BMW.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  Of all places. And brought in a bunch of engineers to start this brand. And I got to drive one that had just finished a beautiful restoration. And I have to say, I drove it last week on the eighth of of June, which was is Carson Bid's anniversary day. And so I got to drive down PCH with the sun going down and an E nine CSL. Five years after I was at Doug and and Blake and I were sitting on sitting on Doug's patio, starting this thing, freaking out over the number of submissions we had and all the work that we had to do. And it was like, it was so surreal to have it come like full circle like that of like, I cannot believe we're gonna have a car like that on the site. And now we do. I dreamt of having cars like that and I hope it continues to go that way and maybe next year it'll be an F forty I'm driving on the PCH. Who knows?

• 37:43Speaker 02

  It should be.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  But nonetheless, this car was amazing. The things I found that were striking about it was it drove, you know, it's a classic. It doesn't make a lot of horsepower either. The the road going versions of this car, I think only made two hundred and seven horsepower. It's not a lot. Doesn't weigh that much, about twenty five hundred pounds is what it weighs, which is heavy ish for the era, I guess, but not not that heavy, all things considered. Very usable, super smooth, gave you the vintage experience.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Um, and like just to drive genesis of where it like all started as someone who bleeds the BMW M colors, it's just, it was amazing.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  It's so cool looking like, again, I just

• 38:18Speaker 01

  So cool.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  It's an it's an icon just in terms of both its looks and it's just its whole vibe.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was the thing that blew me away because I drove this in like on Newport Coast, like kind of around Crystal Cove and down into Laguna, where you see crazy cars all the time.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  People lost their minds, like the number of people that were taking pictures. I stopped taking gas in it. Everybody came up and took a picture of the car.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  And I guess to me, it is a very crazy shape, but like to other people who don't even know what it is. It was like, it was like a spaceship. And again, in a place where there are really special cars all the time, it was like to drive what probably maybe was the most special car driven on that road that day was a cool experience.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  I'm, I feel like I'm getting more turned on by older cars as as things go on, like I look at that, like, I don't know what this, what the values of these are, right? But like, if you've got a bunch of money and you're like, oh, I get a new McLaren and everyone thinks I'm some kind of a Capitalist, uh, can I say D-bag?

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  I'm a capitalist bad guy. Or I drive this car and I'm a connoisseur and champagne falls from the sky.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  You wouldn't be a so-

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• 39:56Speaker 01

  I've indulged a weenie, sir. You'd be a connoisseur.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Exact- thank you, thank you. It just, it's so tasteful and so special in a way. Money cannot buy that today unless you maybe bought the Valkyrie LM or that weird Porsche thing. Like, you need that level of crazy to match what a, what you could get here with like an E-Type or a 3.0 CSL. Like, it just, it's so different and so special.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  It is, and I think it's one of the things that differentiates people who are rich versus people who are rich and interesting. Like, car enthusiasts who are rich and interesting have something like this. Whereas if you just get money and you're not that sophisticated when it comes to knowing about cars, you go and you buy-

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Uh, every Ferrari in yellow, maybe.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Oh, all right, that's a bold claim. But, uh, but nonetheless, like, that, you hit the nail on the head and I think it was, and it was clear based on how people reacted to it. And that's, that's not the reason to own a car is how others react to it. But admittedly, I felt that it was very cool as someone who I feel is, I like to consider myself kind of a steward of the brand.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  It was cool to see, like, people, normal people react to like, wow, what is that thing?

• 40:55Speaker 02

  You buy a car because of how it makes you feel, right? As you're driving it. And this car makes you feel special and like you're preserving history and just like so connected with the machine in a way that no new car really can.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Totally, totally.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  I'm so glad you got to drive it. It is such a peak Kenan car. I hope you get to own one one day, even if it's not the CSL, maybe it's just the, the regular, but like, it should totally be on your, your bucket list here.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Totally. Like you said, I drove my friend, I drove my friend's last year at a CarWek and it, like, and his was, I think- It was a built three five.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  On a seventeen mile drive or whatever like that was so cool.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it that was really cool. I'm very, very grateful to let him letting me borrow that.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  That was insane. What a generous guy.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  It was a crazy nice guy. And it was, it was wonderful. And this just reaffirmed, it's like, still drives like a BMW. Still feels like a BMW. And that straight six sound is just wonderful. The experience matters. And this car delivers it. The vintage experience is is cool. Life is better in a classic, as they say.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  But yes.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  So my wife tells me every day.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  That's exactly right. Okay, so that's enough talking cars. We now have to move on to the market report, which is brought to you today by Nick's Bentley keys. He even has a cars and bids.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Complete with electric tape to hold in the unlock button.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  As you do.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  You want to hear? Hold on, this thing beeps. See the thing?

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Traditional Bentley form. It's not beeping exactly.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  It should beep. It beeps really loud when it beeps. It's insane.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, I have, I have no doubt, but we are going to talk about a couple of interesting cars that you wanted to note. And we want, I'm going to start with R eights. Now you had a V eight R eight coupe, six speed manual, lovely car.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  I had one.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  What do you want to say about R eights?

• 42:37Speaker 02

  The, the, the current owner is now selling it and using some of my photos that I sold it to him with, which is totally.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Which was something that I took.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Everyone's pinging me, be like, hey dude, it's your old car, it's your old car. And like, I think his ask is in the sixties. If you look at the cars and bids results, a V eight, six speed R eight can be had in the sixties. You can buy, spend up for a little bit lower mileage one or nicer one. If you went the V ten, you got to spend up a little bit more. But in these sixties or less, and for some of them, it is an insane value. Mid engine, it looks amazing. It feels amazing, much like you described with that three point O CSL. People around you react to it in a way that's strictly favorable. No one's like, oh, that guy's kind of a jerk or like here to fire my dad. No, they think like, oh, it's Iron Man or oh, that looks so cool.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  I remember when that came out, like it's almost 20 year old car now, but it's a V8 from an RS4. Mine has or has 86,000 miles on it, like driven like a normal car, not like a 20,000 mile Ferrari. And it, it holds up really great.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have to say, we had this red one.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  That one was awesome.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Just this sold, yeah, it was a red six speed V8 coupe. Uh, and it just sold for 66 grand. Uh, Doug did a video on it and all that stuff. I drove it around for a little while, um, to do videos with it for the photo guide. And exactly what you described, there was somebody who came up to me, uh, this woman was driving a Gladiator and pulled up next to me. I thought like, the car was really loud, had an aftermarket exhaust, like crazy loud. Then she pulled up next to me and I thought, I was like, oh, I was in this neighborhood which hates cars. And I thought she was going to yell at me, but she was like, I had to turn down my music to listen to your engine. And I was like, I'm sorry, it's really loud. She said, what are you talking about? It's an R8, it's supposed to be loud. Like she was like into it, like really excited and everybody freaks out over it. Um, and but all of it was positive. I didn't have anybody who like cut me off, like everybody lets you in in traffic.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  People are just like into the car. And to your point, this one had 47,000 miles on it, but it was, it was tight as a drum. Like it was, it was so good. Like I said, it's one of the few times when I've been like, eh, yeah, could get rid of the M5 and just drive one of these all day. But in the end, I made the decision to keep the car, of course. But nonetheless, I agree with you and I think they are tremendously underrated.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  You've got it. If you're an enthusiast looking for a car under 70, that checks all the boxes. The V8 R8 is hard to beat. Also the Rtronics, not the greatest transmission, but it's easily swappable. There's a guy, Third Pedal LLC in Alabama, that just, he does it over a couple of cold ones in a weekend. Uh, I don't think he actually drinks, but you know what I mean? Like it's so swappable that you can pick the spec you want. So like, you can be like, like you guys had an amazing Samoa orange one recently. There's purple ones, there's that light blue color people really like. Um, there's so many cool specs. I don't know, that's an Estronic, I believe.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  Um, but. Like Audi did some pretty cool stuff back in the day. So you can also just shop around for the right car, the right spec. They're out there. They were available enough that it's not like impossible to find one. So you can be a little choosy, but like there's, there's a lot of options that are very reasonable budget.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  The R8's great. And you hit on actually a really interesting point there. I think with conversions in general, tie back what you said, Lamborghini, it's a little off topic, but I think these conversions opened the opportunity to own spec. A lot of the F1 equipped cars and supplies to Ferraris too, were, it was like, it was an expensive option to have.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  And so if you did that, you tended to do more interesting things with them. Now the idea of being able to take that, remove the transmission that hasn't aged all that well.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  Aspects of the transmission that haven't aged that well. Go back to a 6 speed manual. Pretty appealing.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Now, I will say like the, the, do you cover your spread as much with an R8? No, because the manuals are pretty close there, I think. But nonetheless.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  They're, they're cheaper to swap than like, say a Murcielago. But yeah, the R8 GTs only came in automatic, but it's swappable.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  That's the one.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  That's the one you swap.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  The one I would want to do personally, but there were some that came in like purples or that third pedal LLC company, they've done, they'll take a pre-face lift one, they'll face lift it. They will manual swap it. And he's done it on an orange one.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  As well. And like a purple one. He's done something pretty crazy spec. So yeah, you buy the car you want regardless of the transmission, rather than saying, oh, I want the transmission and having a narrow, narrower pool. Also means if you only got like less money to buy the car, you can buy the car now, drive it as an auto for a year, like Sean's doing with his 360, and then swap it as funds become available.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  Right. Let's put some pressure on our producer to swap his car by manual.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  No pressure.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  But no, that's, it's a great point. R8s are a great value.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Buy it.

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• 49:02Speaker 02

  Next story.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we're moving on to, there's another car, and I agree with you on this one, that's live on Cars and Bits, it's really cool, C43 Waggy Wag. This car is so cool. Now, by the time this airs, this car will have ended. It's currently sitting at 12 grand. I, look, this generation of C-Class in general, the C43, I think is an incredibly special car. You can kind of see it in the shot of Nick when you pan to it. There's one in the background there, right? Right? There it is. And it is, I, I am astonished with how much, how solid that car feels. Like considering the E36 was its competition at the time, that car is just in a different league, and the wagon is so damn cool.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  And now they're, we're seeing them more frequently, um, and over here with US titles. Look at that. How cool is that car?

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Total sleeper. I love the photos they took here with the dead grass.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, photos definitely matter. I agree.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  But I mean, you can.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  You get the point.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  You can look, yeah, there's been like two that have sold as far as I've seen. So the market still hasn't been set yet, but it seems like they're pretty good value for the money.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  And way more special, way, way cool. Like I, again, this is a car I would freak out at Cars and Coffee, but you could use it on a daily basis. No problem.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Totally. I agree with that. I'm eager to see more of them come into the country, but also finding them is not particularly easy in Europe. They aren't that common of a car to begin with, but I think this generation C class is generally underrated. The AMG ones are particularly desirable.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  You could do a six speed R eight, V eight and this for under a hundred grand is your ideal two car solution. And find me a more tasteful, interesting and enjoyable two car solution for that money.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Pretty good.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Pretty, pretty good.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Pretty, pretty, pretty good. One car I wanted to call out this week that I thought was kind of insane was this E forty six M three. Now, you like the forty six. You've kind of said that you might consider dabbling in one. This one I found was interesting. So this was.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  That's what she said.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  This is an oh four, so a late production E forty six M three coupe.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  Oh, a modded one.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Fifty thousand miles and six B mile emerald, but mods. And when I look at this car, I'm like, I mean, yeah, the mileage is low, but you know, it's like, I don't, I don't know about what you go for based on the work it would take to unmodify it. But it went for forty five grand, which is big money for like any forty six M three. When I looked at the most expensive ones we have sold with manual transmissions, because they were offered as SMG two. This is the fifth most expensive E forty six M three we have ever sold. All the other ones we've sold that were cheaper or more expensive than that did have lower mileage. This one in particular was sticks on the line with two thousand four hundred miles. The fourth most expensive was twenty five thousand. So this had double the mileage, but and modifications, but it, I mean, it, it sold for serious money.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  And I think that it speaks to like the benefit of taking to an auction. It's like, like somebody wanted the car with the upgrades that it had because it. In addition to some of the aesthetic mods, it had real stuff. So

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Evolve, your entry intake system, which is a must on that car. The Bison, the Bison Vanos upgrade, you know, it had stuff like that. So like really desirable stuff. That sold for real money. Like, I was just blown away by that result. And it was quite a bidding war at the end. It was two people who really, really wanted it. And they just went back and forth and back and forth for a long time.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  The bidding war is the greatest. Love watching them.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  The best.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Don't like being part of them.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  No, but congratulations to Hoxford on taking this one home. What a car.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  I do like the color. I'm sure that helped a lot. A fifty thousand mile Amola or Imola, as you would say. Red E forty six M three is not easy to find, so.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  No, no, it is not. And so even with the mods, it's like, I think, yeah, quite a result.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  I like the mods.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  I know you do. I know you do.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  There's a few I would do differently.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  To each their own. Yeah, exactly. But nonetheless, I was very proud to have like such a strong result with a what is admittedly a hard car that's hard to find. The last result I want to talk before we get over to the question section, we had a an interesting nine six four that sold on the site. So this, again, I can't keep up with the number of manufacturers that modified nine six fours, but this is an RWB wide body nine six four and it sold for one hundred and seventy one thousand five hundred dollars. Real money for for one of these cars. But I, I mean, look at it. It's just, it's just wild to me. Again, would I do it to my nine six four? Maybe not. But these are really popular with people and people spend real money on them. And because it doesn't look like anything else.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  I liked RWB a lot when it was sort of a if you know, you know, like niche Japanese tuner scene kind of thing. They've now kind of become like a rich guy collector thing and I don't get it. Like I would do a singer or something where they're like doing everything to perfection versus a guy flies from Japan and does it over a weekend with a blowtorch and sawzall and all that. It's, it's impressive.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  People like them.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  It just, I guess it just speaks.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's an impressive result for you guys and I get that people pay for RWBs, but.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  To me, what it says is like.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  I'm yucking that yum right there.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  I agree with you generally, but to me it says the market does think differently on this. Like they clearly value this so much.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  This one's actually pretty tasteful for an RWB too. Some of them are a little tacky, this one. Like I like the color, the mods are not too, like sometimes he does like these quadrupled stacked wings and stuff that are just like Hot Wheels ridiculous like this is fairly clean.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  No, I, I agree with that. I just thought it was, it was just, it's just eye opening to me. Cause I have a, an ongoing list of all of the people who do this.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Who, who modify these cars these way. Did you want to hear, I'll, I'll run down the list. So Singer, Singer being the most successful in that like their name has become a verb. You singarize a car and that applies to a number of manufacturers. Gunther Works, RWB, Paul Stevens, Theon Design, Emery Motorsports, The Keen Project. Whoever likes, they built the safari ones. Kalmar Automotive, I'm putting Roof on this list.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  I was gonna say Roof is the only one I care about, so.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  I think Cager or whatever, Retro and Evo Max. So that, that it just keeps growing.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  I think that's like a 10% of the tuners out there. It's every week there's a new one.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's the same recipe. Take an air-cooled 911, do, make modifications to it, charge a lot of money for it. Now granted a Singer, you know, they're charging a million.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  For, for their cars, so that number one.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Singer's doing some really impressive stuff as, as is Gunther Works. I think there are like a cut above the rest of them, but.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Each one will come out and be like, oh, we're planning only 20, so you better act fast. And it's like, bro, you're gonna sell three of these. Like you, you don't pretend it's scarcity here. Like there's not that many. RWB again has this cult following now that I think they're, they've ascended to almost manufacturer like status, but.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're certainly lauded that way anyway, but nonetheless, a very strong.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  I would rather have your modded red E46 M3 if I had to choose between the two.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  Dang, save yourself 110,000.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  I would take the rest, the 110,000 dollars, light it on fire and take the E46 versus spending the money on that RBV.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  That's a bit strong. I think what you'd do is buy a C43 AMG Wagon and an RA.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, buy all three of the cars we just mentioned over that one and light the rest of the money on fire.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Like, or, you know, spend it on Bentley maintenance, but teach that on that one. But now we're going to move to questions. Questions, questions. If you want to ask us a question, click the link in the description below, or you can go to the, uh, go to the Cars and Bids community section, where there'll be a post where you can ask us a lot of questions. And we got asked a ton of great questions. I spent probably an hour and a half going through these the other night, and there were, there's so many good ones. But we're gonna jump right in, uh, with this hypothetical, because Filippo's not here, and I think this one would be fun. So the question from Ariel1194 is, answer this hypothetical. Filippo wins a million dollars to spend on cars, but the catch is that only his friends can choose the cars that he can buy.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  What would we put in Filippo's garage? Now, the question really is, how nice do you want to be to Filippo? Is it stuff that we want him to have, or stuff that he would want to have?

• 57:16Speaker 02

  Let me, let me answer as Filippo first, so then you and I can choose.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  You see, uh, I, I would never spend that much money on a car, so I would just buy a $10,000 car and put the rest in an S and P 500 index fund.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  That's exactly.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  I can't do his voice well, but just extrapolate.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  No, Filippo's, my impression of Filippo goes like, uh, yeah, legitimately, that's what I would do.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  He'd be deeply uncomfortable with spending anything more than a reasonable amount of money on a daily, which I would think, maybe it's like 40 for him, but he wouldn't, he doesn't like expensive cars.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Never spent.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  This would be painful to him to drive an expensive.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  He's never spent 40 on a car in his life. Um, yeah, that, that is true. So what would we get for Filippo? For a million dollars? I think one car I would get for him, a car I would get for him, is a 550. Cause Filippo, although.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  He'd never drive that.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  Although he says he's never driven, it's the one Ferrari he and I both agree on that we both really love.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Which for him is saying a ton. And it kind of makes sense. It's under the radar. You have to know what it is. They're actually relatively reliable. They're relatively good value compared to like a manual 575.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  So he's got the value thing. And he's Italian, he's Italian.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  He had a 550, he'd be like the character in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Cameron, where like his dad had the Ferrari and he was too nervous to ever drive it. And then one day he snaps and he drives it, wrecks it. That would be Filippo with a 550. If he'd have a really bad day, go hoon it and that would be at the end.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  It could get scratched, breathed on wrong, a pigeon could crap on it, who knows? Uh, yeah, like.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  I like that choice, okay.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  It could be, that could be, so that's one car to choose from. What would be a car you'd pick for him?

• 58:51Speaker 02

  So he's been talking forever about getting a 99, 911.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  A 911 something?

• 58:56Speaker 02

  I'd get him a new one since we have a big budget to spend. And that way he has a warranty and he doesn't have to worry about wear and tear. So I'd probably get him the hybrid since he's practical.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, all right, that's, that's a reasonable.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  That'd be a good getting around town kind of car.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  That would be a good one. Uh, the problem with Filippo is that if we're getting cars that he'd actually want, you could get, it would end up being 50 cars or 100 cars because you could get that for a million dollars. It's like, yeah, I'd get him like a Fiat Panda 4x4.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Uh, because he really likes that.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  The multiple, yeah.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, first gen multiple.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  I'd get him a new E-Wagon for the same reason, warranty and he loves.

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• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Loves his E-Wagon even though his is really rough.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Dented on every panel.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Getting rougher every day.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Been to NOM and back kind of thing.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Yep, I think I would make him keep the 500A bars just because, little torture.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd get him a couple more.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  Get him a couple of 500A bars.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  We could have like Cletus does, only the race would be with only. Fiat.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Fiat 500 A bars, and I think the rollover rate would be a lot higher. Top heavy those little cars.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  I'd get him a Gucci one, and I would get him.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Oh, GQ edition one.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Wasn't there a J Lo edition as well or something? Am I making that up? Maybe she was in the Gucci ad is what it was.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  What else would you get him? Would you get him anything crazy? Like, you want him, I want him to have this experience. Well, okay.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  He loves the Corvette. I would get him the new Z06 or whatever it is.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  I think I'd get him a C7ZR1. He actually, because he talked about it, he likes the C7 a lot. And actually, this one. Pretty tasteful, kind of under the radar. I think he would actually like it. That's what we get him. He's starting to really get into track driving. He really got a taste for it. I think you'd get him a spec race car of some kind. Like, a spec Miata for him would be, like, really good with the trailer and then a truck to tow it. He goes to Arizona occasionally, blend in more.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  Factional ownership of a Valkyrie LM.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  He could have a quarter of it.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  So, to answer this question there, I think it would be a mix of cars he likes and cars he wants him to experience, but he is too cheap to do so. I think that's probably how he would end up building that. But some good choices in there, I think.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Okay, moving on to another question. A3PO asks a question for myself and for you specifically. If Doug had to have one vehicles garage, only one car, what would we pick for Doug? And he explicitly says, no Mercedes-Benz wagons are allowed as Doug still wants to go off-road. It has to do everything. One car for Doug, what would you pick?

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  So, he, I'll be Doug first. Well, you see, that's the reason I got the Sequoia is that I made the list. I have one car to do everything. It's the Sequoia. He would argue the Sequoia because it has three rows, off-road capable. It has advanced driver support so that it can drive itself, basically. Which, if you take all of those requirements for Doug, does narrow it down to a very small list of niche vehicles. I am taking a somewhat fantasy view of this here. A G650 L'Atel. He loves his convertible G-Wagon. He needs three rows and off-road capability. So, it's lifted. It's got a convertible, and it's got three rows. It's a bi-turbo V12, and it would win Cars and Coffee no matter which Cars and Coffee you went to.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  So, the only thing you lose is, like, the Countach levels of, like, handling and visceral feedback. But otherwise, it's ugly, it's quirky, it fits the whole family, it goes off-roading, and it's got a... Ton of power and it's special.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  I think that's the car.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  And I'll let you have, it's Mercedes, you know, it's still a Mercedes.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  It's not a wagon though.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  It's not a waggy wag, but it is, it is a Mercedes.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  It's a convertible, actually.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  And it is a convertible.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  And it's the same convertible and rear window as his G cap.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  It is, so it could have all of it. Noodle could ride in it comfortably, his kids could ride in it. It is a pretty comprehensively insane, but good choice if you had to get rid of everything. I really, I, I struggle. I would second that choice. Uh, A3PO suggested, he suggested a Ford Explorer ST, like one of the newer ones, which actually is a pretty.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  It's a dope choice. I love.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Very good choice.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think it would have to be an SUV of some kind. I think it would be, if he could import a new, new 300 series Land Cruiser, that would also probably give him what he wants.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it'd be so boring for Cars and Coffee, Canyon Cruises, all that.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  It would be, but you know, this is, this is probably.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  A 456 Venice, I don't know.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  456 Venice.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  It doesn't off-road, I guess. You'd have to rule that out. A Sturato, if you could convert it to a shooting brake, maybe.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  I didn't, I didn't thought of building a car.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  Sturato.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  A coach-built Sturato, hard to fit the kids in.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Or if we made a Sturato Urus or RSQ8.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  That.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  And a Tal Design Columbus with like a LS swap, maybe. I have no idea what drivetrain is in that car, but it can be good.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  BMW V12.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right. That's right. An F1 engine.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, right. Exactly. Interesting. I, I think that the Landolai is probably a pretty good choice for Doug on that one.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Moving on to the next question, Turtle asks, Turtle from Ontario.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Asks, uh, pretend streaming doesn't exist. Easy for you for most of your cars. What, uh, what are the, what are the three, the five CDs you would have to bring for a long road trip? That's a tough one. For you, I feel like some Nelly album has.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  I would say all my cars have had CD changers recently, so I've had to actually do this. And I, I picked the CD that matches the car. So the P38, I had the Nelly Country Grammar album because.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Down, down in a Range Rover, street sweeper, baby.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  I don't know how much of that song I can actually sing aloud, but you got the best.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Your impression, you could sing the whole thing.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  The Bentley came with a Marvin Gaye CD in it, no joke, which is so perfect. I then broke the CD player, so it's permanently installed.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  I prefer audiobooks and podcasts, so from there, I don't, I listen to 90s punk rock. I, I think No Effects, Pennywise, No Use For A Name, Lagwagon, all these bands would get really tiresome on a long road trip. If that's all you had to listen to, my family would murder me. So I would probably just say like a good audiobook.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  They're interesting. I think that's interesting. Okay.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Or this car pod.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Nice. Put that on the CD.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  The whole back catalog. Yeah.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  I think for me, it would be, um, I want a rock album for sure. Like I'm a slightly more modern one. I'm from Ohio. So Black Keys is my favorite band. So I think having brothers is, is still an album that to me works every single time. Having that for a road trip is, is really great. Me being me, I like to have some jazz too. Probably like a John Coltrane Greatest.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  On there would be kind of nice, especially for evening cruising at high speed. I think that's good. Maybe Brian Simpson is another jazz artist who I really like. So you can see having that maybe. Um, then I would want some kind of, I, for road trips, I love listening to the Eagles. I just think it like,

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  especially in the southwest, it just fits. Like, you know, I think it really works. And, um, again, like I really like classic rock. So I'd want one of, I'm a big Doors fan. So one of, one of the Doors albums like on, I'm not exactly sure which one I would want. Um, but one of the Doors albums would make me pretty happy. Otherwise, like usually my phone, when I have it, like when I'm sorting through, it's, it's a, I listen to everything. Like I have, my phone has like from 90s rap to, I have like gospel on there too. Not because I'm like super religious, but because it's like, it just looks really happy music. The jazz, the classical, I mean, to heavy metal. Like I have everything on my phone.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  So it'd be, it's hard for me to like pick CDs.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  It's such a hard question. I, I get into one song and I will listen to that song a hundred times in a month and then never again. Like I'm on like some 41 kick right now and there's like two songs and I listen to those two repeatedly. And then I will suddenly be like, I'm over the song and move to the next one. So that's, that's a hard, it's a hard question to think of like longevity.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  I'm disciplined about that. You know who isn't? Doug. When we launched this company, he played the same song on loop and we were all so busy. He played the same song. I calculated for eight hours and it was, or six hours. There's a hundred and four times we listened to the same song. Yeah, he's not careful about that, but I agree with you. All right, moving on to another question. Matlock J. asks, what is better when purchasing a pre-owned vehicle? A five-year-old car with forty thousand miles or a one-year-old car with ninety thousand miles? Assuming that the price is the same. What is your thought on that? I have some thoughts right away.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  It's such a broad hypothetical.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Personally, I would be tempted without knowing anything else, and there's a lot of unknowns here. I would go for lower miles over a new. One, because I'd be worried about anyone that put ninety thousand miles on a car in one year. Like, that's just really hard on a car. That means it's driven a ton every day. I would have to worry about oil changes and maintenance and all of that. Like, who in their right mind would drive that far and not be a total crazy person?

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  See, I, you say that, I will raise you.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that Cullinan.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  This Rolls-Royce Cullinan that was one owner and in five years, the guy did a hundred and fourteen thousand miles.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Okay, but do that in one year now.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  But no.

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  Ninety versus a hundred and fourteen thousand isn't that much different.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  But think of it, realistically, to do that, you're on a highway. Highway of cars at two thousand RPM cruising. That is the easiest thing you can kind of do to an engine. As opposed to ringing it out every time you use it. Like, Alex Roy's E39 M5, I think, has seventy-five thousand miles on it. They're the hardest seventy-five thousand miles that have ever been put on any car. But, so I think that he takes care of it, but like, they were really hard aggressive miles. So I don't know. I'm kind, in either case, to me, you buy the owner. If it is somebody who did ninety thousand miles on it, did the oil change like every week when they got home from having to go check windmills or something, whatever they were doing.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  You know, like that, then I could see that. And if it's a five-year-old car with forty thousand miles, but the person has had the oil changed twice.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  You know, that's kind of where I, it really depends on the owner. All of these cars. Built in same factories by the same people. It's the owners and the journeys those cars go on to live that are different from one another. So I think it really depends, but nonetheless, this car, all this car.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  That car's so unbelievable. I want to shake that guy's hand. Kudos to them for driving it. I generally agree with you, other than there's a lot of like gaskets and O-rings and stuff in a car that over so many heat cycles go out. And at 90,000 miles, like you're kind of getting to the natural lifespan of a lot of parts. At 40,000 miles, I would expect to have less of those kind of things. It just, it's true. To your point, I would want to know a lot more history on each, but all things equal, I would go five year olds and 40,000 miles.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  Also spoken like somebody who's owned a lot of German cars, you know, right around 90,000.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  You get a better value. Your depreciation curve on a five year old car is going to be like half off versus one year old and same money. Like you're looking at a, a used E-Wagon or a new like Corolla. Well, this, maybe not that bad.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Although again, this thing's sticker was $438,000 and it sold for 170.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  So I don't know.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  Good for them.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  I don't know, but you always, you always buy the owner. Okay. We're going to do another question. So this is a ranking question. Rank all of the Lam, this one is for you. Rank all of the Lamborghini special edition cars. So that's a pretty broad list, I would say. I think you and I have disagreements on what we determine is a limited edition car. Cause I looked at what you wrote down. Some wild stuff.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, the, the intent of the question was certainly because he gave the examples of the Veneno and the Centenario.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  So he's thinking of those, like we built 20 or 50 of them or less. But like actual ground up different cars versus I, special edition to me is like the Monterey edition, the Versace edition, like there was a lot of quote unquotes, like you could consider an SV a special edition. And Lamborghini and Ferrari for that matter are so good at milk and Porsche for milking their customers with towards the end of the run, we're going to have all sorts of these insane, the LP 654, the whatever, like they just came out with all sorts of ones to push more inventory.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Right. I, yeah. So it's also, I would say. It's the difference between a trim level, like the SV I view as a trim.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  More than like an addition. I I view these as like, they said they were going to produce a certain number of special cars.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  And they did. So a great example is the Revan.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  And that is, I don't want to jump in right with number one, but I would say that is.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Oh, it's, actually, I take that back. I'd say the SE thirty is probably.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  I would call that a special or a trim, but okay.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  It's not a unique car. It's just.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Completely different exhaust. The windows are different. Like, I mean, like, yes, blue Alcantara.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  I don't want to do an inappropriate gesture here, but I'm thinking it.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  I I don't know. I think SE thirty is probably.

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  It's not, it's it's no more special than the Versace Edition Mercy in terms of its trim level.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  That is not true. The Versace Edition.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  It had blah, blah, blah.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  For those of you who are unfamiliar.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Everyone knows the Versace Mercy. It's, it's got the little patterns. It came in white.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  It only white, right? They're only.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  Well, the SE thirty was just known for coming in purple.

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  But it wasn't. It was also offered in black and silver and a bunch of other cars. They they did a lot of stuff to the SE thirty to make it.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  They did a lot of stuff to this car. They.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  They put an interior in it.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  And it's a bad sticker. Look at that. It just says R R RJ. That's all it says.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  You don't understand fashion like I do, okay?

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  Pretty special.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  I I don't know. I don't, I would not put that one as high on my list.

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  It's number two on mine.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Number two on yours. I am going to put the SE thirty as number one. The Revan is number two. But you went all the way back to the Mur. So you have the the new, okay. I think we can agree the new Countach should be pretty low on that list.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  Disagree.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  Disagree?

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Disagree.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  The new.

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  I'm the only person in the world that likes that car. It's not at the top of my list, but it's certainly not at the bottom.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  The Cesto Elemento and Veneno, I think, are kinda hain. Those are at the bottom for me. I like the Aventador in general. The new Countach is just a re-bodied Aventador. And so therefore, all of the special Aventadors. The Aventador J is my favorite, the one with no windshield. Like, basically, like, a weird, ridiculous, crazy Aventador is my favorite Aventador. Then the Countach version, and then all the other versions. But, yeah, that thing's just...

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  How many did they build of this car?

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  A couple, probably.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  A couple, probably.

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  About as many as any of those specialty Porsche builders you mentioned earlier, other than...

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Okay, so is this a one-off, or is this a special edition?

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  Well, define special edition.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  More than one. You said it had to be, like, production, like, 25 to 50.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Okay, okay. It's... To me, that's the best Aventador, followed by the Countach.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  Actually, this lineup here, that and the...

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, see?

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  The Reventon. Yeah, that's quite something. Okay, okay, but you also had on...

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  That guy's taxes must be insane. Just how many loopholes he's taken advantage of, yeah.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  There's the...

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Most wanted by the IRS, whoever that is.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  All right, you had the Garda Concept S. They built one, and it was a concept.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  It does not count.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  Prediction here, hot take: windshield's no longer in style. Windshield-less cars, if you want to make a special edition, take the windshield off, put a pillar down the middle for no reason at all, I'll buy it.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  But isn't that just some cynical BS?

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  I'm gonna call Mokana and say, "Before you ship my car back..."

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  Chop that one.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  "Windshield delete."

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  "Windshield delete. Leave the beveled side glass."

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  "Give me some of those pilot glasses with the little leather cap. That's all I need."

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  I think I have a pair of the glasses you can borrow from my pre-order car days. Okay, so, my list, you have a number on here that I'm just gonna say are not eligible, including the Garda Concept S. Insane person.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  The car's so great.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  Literal insane person.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  I want it.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  I'm going to put SC30 at the top, then I'm going to put the Reventon after that. Personally, I'm going to, I'm gonna count your Aventador J.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  With that, well, that might be, they may have only bought one of those. Then, I would put, I personally think the Cesto Elemento should go after that. That's a very serious, like, track-focused, stripped-out, not, nothing to it car.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  It's an impressive design and...

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  But it's an impressive car, full stop, in my view. Like, I think it's a really, really impressive car, so I would put it after that. And then I think, at the bottom, one, I don't know.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Like again, I think Diablo SV was a trend. I think Diablo GT-R was also a trend.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  I had the VS Edition SV, which is what Ed Bullion just bought, the Victoria's Secret version of the Diablo. Watch Ed's content, I'm a big fanboy, but they took the SV and then they took the stickers and reversed the order, so it was VS for Victoria's Secret. That was pretty much the main difference. They crumb the wheels, they did a couple and they made it white to match the Angels catalog.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  God.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  How cool of a spot. Like, how ridiculous. That's so Lamborghini in the 90s.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's so stupid.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  It's so emblematic of what they were about.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, desperate for money.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  At the very bottom, though, I am absolutely putting the new Countach and the Venina. I think the new Countach is at the very bottom. I like the car, but it is a very cynical. I think the other cars are way less cynical than that one is.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  I think over time, people will go to appreciate it. Right now, we just view it as cynical.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Right. We'll see. We'll see.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  It's no more cynical than any of the other hypercars we mentioned at the top of the segment. The Valkyrie LM, it's...

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  That's... Nick, that's a...

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  A way to take money out of rich people's hands and do stuff.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  You have all of these cars there for that. That is... The Valkyrie race car is so ludicrously insane. It's a race car, it's gonna be a little more...

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  I would take the Countach over the Valkyrie.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  You'd take the new Countach over the Valkyrie?

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Okay. Okay. All right.

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Just so I could flex on Doug. Be like, "Hey, that thing, uh, that thing got CarPlay? Didn't think so."

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Oh my God. Oh my God.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  You got lane assist on that?

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  Nope. All right, we're gonna do one final ranking, okay? One last one, and then we're gonna call it. So, we're going to do, rank all the Mercedes Black... So, Model Car Nick asks, rank all the Mercedes Black Series models. So, to be clear, all of those are... So, there's the SLK Black Series, the COK63 Black Series, the SL65 Black Series, the SLS AMG Black Series, the C63, and then the AMG GT Black Series. Those are all the ones that exist.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  So at the top, I think we agree. Or let's, let's decide the worst one. Again, they're all really good.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  Starting out with saying, if someone says black series, my brain immediately thinks of the CLK black series, right?

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  That's what I think.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  There's other black series, but that to me is like the black series. Or if someone just said black series without specifying, I will automatically assume a CLK. That is like, and it's not the most expensive. It's not the most powerful. So if you're saying rank it as best, it's not the best, but it is, in my opinion, the, the most iconic, the most memorable, the, my favorite black series is the CLK.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  I, I would probably.

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  With the manual swap.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  And it was the only, well, actually, I don't know if I agree with that, but.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  You like the little dinky, a little.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  You know, it's, it's just, I actually agree with Doug. It's in, it, it was built to be an automatic and it's an AMG car. The whole point of an AMG car is got a big motor. You're pointing in a direction, you put your foot down, the tail steps out and it's just crazy. With a manual, it's like, I, I don't, the car was just never offered with it. I'd really like to drive one and maybe it is that transformative because it's a pretty serious car underneath. Like it's got very adjustable suspension and all that stuff, but I don't know. You know, I, I agree, the automatic, the Kinnon, it is awful, but.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  I've found manual swapping to be really easy. You ship your car out, send them some money and it comes back. All right. That's all there is to it. So.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Couple of cold ones.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  I, I would say it's too easy not to.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Couple of cold ones. Yeah. So, okay. We agree with that. I think then it has to be the SL65 black series. The, because that legitimately looks like a Batmobile in black with that crazy wing. And the fact they took the convertible and made it a coupe.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's super wide bodied, like.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Super wide bodied.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  It's, it's so over the top for Mercedes and Mercedes is so conservative traditionally that like, it's just hard to believe they did that.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Wow. That.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  And that motor's in, wasn't it in like Pagani's and.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's still produced today. That bi-turbo V12 was one of the, one of the great engines. And it's odd because it doesn't really suit like a hardcore car. Cause it builds power like a jet turbine.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  There's a fake one that comes to our cars and coffee every once in a while.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  There's a real one too.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's, so it's weird to be like, is this a $25,000 car with a body kit? Or is this the most special car I'll see all month?

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  Can't tell.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Exactly. I'd definitely put that a second. Right below that for me, I'd put the SLS black series. I love, love, love driving those cars. They are so much fun. Um, and. So hardcore, uh, and particularly in like in uh, solar beam is my personal favorite color on that car.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  It's it's a lot.

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  It's a lot, but it looks so cool and it's such it's like Mercedes doesn't often make supercars, right? And this one they did and they went full crazy with it and I just really, really like it and it's NA. You know, it's a big, big engine.

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  You know what those trade for?

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  A lot, a lot of money. I can't remember the exact figure, but they.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  I feel like if I had that budget for a Mercedes, I'd be getting an SLR McLaren, but.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, but this actually drives well. The the SLR is not a particularly nice car to drive. The brakes are the brakes will put you through the windshield.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  It's gorgeous.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  The transmission is the same in the black series, the SLK or CLK black series. It's not a particularly fun car to drive, but it is really cool looking. This drives a thousand times better and I I don't know. So I would put that next on my list. Uh, then I think I would put probably the C sixty three black series again, blast of that NA V eight engine. Wonderful car. We just sold that red one recently. And then after that, I think I would put the AMG GT and then the SLK. Nothing against the SLK, it was just it was never sold here and it was kind of a weird car for them to start doing this with. And so it's never been my favorite.

• 1:21:38Speaker 02

  They had a V eight in that though, right?

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  It was, yeah.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  So pretty impressive. You ought to size V eight, but.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy car.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  It's a bit of a sleeper.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  You would never know. You just think it's hit some chick car, but.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Right. And the and the AMG GT black series is a pretty extreme car, but. This just with its NA engine edges it for me. And so I think that's probably my order.

• 1:21:57Speaker 02

  I think I agree. I don't take any objection. I maybe would do slightly. I would definitely do C CLK SL sixty five. Uh, SLK is last, so then the middle three there. I I wish the C sixty three had just a little bit more like flair or panache like it. It it's got some canards. It's got some little things to distinguish it visually, but it's just not. Like the SL sixty five where they made the thing like three feet wider. I wish the C sixty three had like that level of or the the front fenders on that CLK are just like.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  They're so good.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  It's it's the best one. I will forever. I will forever think, when I think black series.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is a darn shame none of these came in manual. But now that you can swap them, swap the world, baby.

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, such a cool car. Well, that's it, Nick. That is our episode. Best podcast we have ever done, and it was without the two oafs.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  That's right. We didn't have to talk about any EVs, did we? Oh, we talked about the Model S selling, but otherwise, no EV talk.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  No Nissan executives were mentioned or harmed in this particular.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  I don't know if even Japan, any of the manufacturers were mentioned. No offense to the JDM boys.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  It was just all enthusiast cars, but that's our.

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  We got maybe a little too exotic and a little too European here, but.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Maybe, but nonetheless, we hope you enjoyed it. Thank you all so much for listening, and we will talk to you in the next episode.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  Goodbye. Oh, we got that in harmony.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  What are you doing? Where are you going? Oh, my God. Don't get, don't touch the, oh, I have the. Oh, my God. You're a disaster, human being. God, ridiculous person.