Failure to Report: How Harvard Whitewashed Jeffrey Epstein's Millions (Part 2)

Epstein wasn't just funding women's sports or creeping around campus. Our new files — and Harvard's own audit — show how a billionaire pedophile used the biggest brand in academia to launder his reputation. Pablo and The Harvard Crimson's Dhruv Patel continue their investigation, with exclusive internal files, letters and interviews with athletes who say the university normalized a monster — and skirted accountability, until now. • Part One: "The Jeffrey E. Epstein Fund for Women's Athletics" https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/NjlmMmJkZWMzZDIxZWUyMjhjNmFiMjRh • More from The Harvard Crimson: "Women's Rugby Players Were Told to Keep a $25,000 Gift Quiet. The Donor Was Epstein." https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2026/4/30/epstein-rugby-donation/ (Pablo Torre Finds Out is independently produced by Meadowlark Media and distributed by The Athletic. The views, research and reporting expressed in this episode are solely those of Pablo Torre Finds Out and do not reflect the work or editorial input of The Athletic or its journalists.) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Pablo Torre?

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• 0:16Pablo Torre?

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• 2:07Pablo Torre?

  Okay, so if you missed part one of our investigation into Harvard's financial relationship with billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, you should go watch that. We'll be waiting for you when you return.

• 2:19Pablo Torre?

  What we started with was this 2003 quote about Epstein from Professor Martin Novak, as read by PTFO correspondent Dhruv Patel, the managing editor of my old college newspaper, The Harvard Crimson.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  "He is one of the most pleasant philanthropists to deal with," Novak says. "Unlike many people who support science, he supports science without any conditions. There are not any disadvantages to associating with him."

• 2:45Pablo Torre?

  And then, we unearthed proof of the Jeffrey E. Epstein Fund for Women's Athletics, which was specially earmarked for the women's rugby team. And it had a Harvard shield and the word Veritas across the top of this confidential document. Although, according to multiple former rugby players we talked to, the team was never informed that the money came from Jeffrey Epstein. In fact, they were told to keep the fund quiet.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  As we sort of collectively pieced this memory together, I mean, I just remember feeling so sick because we never asked to be affiliated with this monster. And it was shocking. It was shocking.

• 3:33Pablo Torre?

  What we then showed was how Harvard's 2020 report concerning Jeffrey E. Epstein's connections to Harvard University was presented to the public as this thorough self-investigation, spanning 250,000 pages of documents. And yet, it did not discuss the Jeffrey E. Epstein Fund for Women's Athletics or the president of Harvard, who personally solicited it.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  Lawrence H. Summers.

• 4:01Pablo Torre?

  Larry Summers was the ex-Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton, who was so close to Epstein that Epstein was calling himself Summers Wingman as recently as 2018. In fact, Summers rode on Epstein's plane in 2004, ahead of the creation of the Jeffrey E. Epstein Fund for Women's Athletics. And then Summers spent part of his own honeymoon on Epstein Island the next year, in 2005. And if you're wondering what a Harvard spokesperson told us in response to a detailed list of questions, they declined comment, but did point out that Epstein's $25,000 fund for women's athletics became part of a larger donation Harvard eventually made after that

• 4:45Pablo Torre?

  2020 self-report to two organizations supporting victims of human trafficking and sexual assault. Meanwhile, a spokesman for Larry Summers has since told us that Summers was, in fact, interviewed as part of Harvard's 2020 self-investigation, and that Summers' fundraising as Harvard president was done, quote, "with the full involvement of the Development Office and the university's legal, financial, and due diligence functions," end quote. And, further, all such fundraising happened, quote, "prior to Epstein's 2006 arrest," end quote. All of which seems quite relevant to a self-investigation about Epstein's connections to Harvard University,

• 5:28Pablo Torre?

  which, to be clear, mentioned none of this. As a current Harvard fundraising employee, who agreed to talk to us if their voice could be modulated, explained:

• 5:39Speaker 04

  I kind of felt like you have to be kidding me. Like, there was a moment of obvious frustration and just, I guess, defeat. I think an abandonment, too, of sort of a shared expectation everybody at the university has around certain values and certain things that are just non-negotiable. An omission of this nature feels like a betrayal to everyone here.

• 6:10Pablo Torre?

  And yet, at the same time...

• 6:16Pablo Torre?

  I just got to point out here, Drew, that there is, in fact, some damning information in Harvard's 2020 self-report, and that seemed to be the product of actual digging, and credit to them. And this information, I found legitimately eye-opening, not least because I was on campus while this was happening, you know, paying tuition, generally accumulating debt, covering sports, and that was fall of '03 to spring of '07. And what the self-report says is that between '98 and '07, Jeffrey Epstein had donated how much money to various faculty members and programs at Harvard?

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Between '98 and '07, Jeffrey Epstein had donated $9.1 million to programming at Harvard.

• 7:00Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, and we have also fact-checked this. The specific number to the decimal point is $9.179 million, and this is confirmed according to our own tranche of financial documents. His biggest donation, though, was $6.5 million in 2003. To who?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  His largest donation of $6.5 million was to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics.

• 7:24Pablo Torre?

  Which was known also by an acronym.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  PED.

• 7:29Pablo Torre?

  PED was his friend, Professor Martin Novak, who you may recall from the "there are no disadvantages to associating with Jeffrey Epstein" quote that we read before. And Novak got Epstein an office at Harvard. According to this report, Epstein got free rein to attend classes with undergrads. So the whole Epstein class concept, that was literally, in this case, Epstein in class, and he got a key. He got a key to access the program's building whenever he wanted, which he did apparently more than 40 times. This was often with the young women who were there working as his "assistants." And in 2021, after the report comes out, Harvard finally shuts down PED, P-E-D, the program.

• 8:14Pablo Torre?

  And what happened to the aforementioned Professor Martin Novak?

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Martin Novak was put on temporary leave right around the time that his program had shuts down.

• 8:25Pablo Torre?

  And this was notable, why?

• 8:28Speaker 03

  This was notable because action of this sort is unusual against a faculty member to be put on temporary administrative leave. It certainly does not happen often.

• 8:36Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  He was also the first and only Harvard faculty member to be formally sanctioned because of his ties to Epstein.

• 8:43Pablo Torre?

  Novak is the person that Harvard apparently felt comfortable really digging deep into. And eventually, Novak wound up saying this to ABC in 2021, quote, "While I've always been grateful to anyone who would support my research, I regret the connection I was part of fostering between Harvard and Jeffrey Epstein and the hurt that it has caused. I will take the lessons from this time with me as I move forward," end quote. But if you keep reading the report, you also find that Harvard attempts to draw this exculpatory bright line. And this was embodied, Drew, in a section header in big, bold font.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  So we're in a section, it's called "Events in 2008 and After." And the line that you see right after that is Harvard did not accept gifts from Epstein after his 2008 conviction. And this is big, bold, all capitalization.

• 9:36Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, it says underneath "President Faust's decision not to accept gifts from Epstein." And this is President Drew Faust, whose last name, you could argue, from a larger context, is also quite on the nose in terms of the bargains we're here to dissect. But yes, here's the quote, "After being briefed about Epstein, whom she did not recall having heard of before, President Drew Faust concluded that Harvard should no longer accept gifts from Epstein. President Faust's decision was unequivocal," end quote. And unequivocal is a good word for us to remember here because it is also worth noting that this 27-page report devotes how many sentences, Drew, to the Harvard Development Office, this is the fundraisers?

• 10:22Pablo Torre?

  Wherein, the university makes a notable acknowledgement.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  The report dedicates a net total of three sentences.

• 10:30Pablo Torre?

  Could you please read those three sentences?

• 10:32Speaker 03

  The Development Office sent mixed signals on the subject. For example, the Development Office continued to include Epstein on development communications. In 2013, the Development Office invited Epstein to come to campus to attend the kickoff of the university's Capitol campaign.

• 10:47Pablo Torre?

  This was not presented in the font size and the italics with the capitalized first letters, but it caught our eye.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  Certainly.

• 10:57Pablo Torre?

  And so what we did was obtain the internal catalog of Jeffrey Epstein's 21 separate donations to Harvard. This has never been published before. This is the full archive, as we were able to discern, and it starts with a $400,000 gift on August 20, 1998. But then, what we also did was obtain the university's catalog of the 48 individual contact reports, those points of interaction between a donor and the university, in this case, specific to Jeffrey Epstein and the university. And so when, Drew, was Harvard's very first contact report with Jeffrey Epstein recorded?

• 11:41Speaker 03

  October 21, 1992. What we see is a, quote, "Harvard tour," and in particular, we get a few more details. It says, "Jeffrey Epstein met with H. Rosofsky and several faculty members during his visit. Jeffrey Epstein responded with thanks."

• 11:57Pablo Torre?

  So the H. Rosofsky, as we are assessing the power structure of Harvard, is who?

• 12:03Speaker 03

  Henry Rosofsky, the former dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences.

• 12:07Speaker 05

  Thank you very much.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  Ladies and gentlemen, I want to begin by...

• 12:15Speaker 05

  First of all, I hope that you can hear me well. And if you can't, give me some kind of signal.

• 12:22Pablo Torre?

  In the 80s, he was also the two-time acting president as they were doing their own searches for presidents of Harvard. He was an economics professor like Larry Summers, actually. He was an eminent economics professor for three decades. And yeah, he was somebody that Summers often consulted as a young econ professor and himself a future Harvard president.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  He also made its way to the Harvard Corporation at a time when that body had no more than five or six people total. And he was the first faculty member in a century to get a gig there.

• 12:53Pablo Torre?

  Right. And so when we talk about the endowment and the business part of the university, which is a lot bigger as a part of the university than you realize as a student, Henry Rosowski, who is sitting across business and academia in an unprecedented way at the time, he has mentioned how many times in Harvard's 2020 Epstein self-report?

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Henry Rosowski is mentioned zero times.

• 13:19Pablo Torre?

  Right.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Not once.

• 13:20Pablo Torre?

  We also separately obtained four other contact reports with Epstein that mention Henry Rosowski's name. And so if you're thinking to yourself, well, maybe that relationship, that one at least, was not a honeymoon type thing. That one was purely academic. In 2003, there was another document, a separate sort of document that Henry Rosowski appeared in. And this document was released for public consumption by the House Oversight Committee last fall. Groove, what document is this?

• 13:53Speaker 03

  Jeffrey Epstein's 50th Birthday Album.

• 14:00Pablo Torre?

  It's not even so much an album as it is this multi-volume set of books. And the spine of the book in question says what?

• 14:07Speaker 03

  The first 50 years.

• 14:09Pablo Torre?

  It's a hell of a 50th birthday present from all of Jeffrey Epstein's friends, apparently, to him. In fact, you may have heard of the Birthday Books because on page 165 of this scan of the Birthday Books by the House Oversight Committee, there is an illustration of a woman's torso that bears the name and purported signature of who?

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Donald J. Trump.

• 14:34Speaker 06

  This decades-old letter, revealed publicly for the first time, reigniting the controversy surrounding President Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. The letter shows a drawing of the silhouette of a woman's bare torso, with typewritten text of an imagined conversation between Trump and Epstein. "We have certain things in common," it reads in part, later adding, "enigmas never age." And closing with, "Happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret."

• 15:02Pablo Torre?

  Beneath that, a scrawled signature. President Trump, of course, not only told The Wall Street Journal that he, quote, "never wrote a picture in my life," end quote, he also hit the Journal's publisher with a $10 billion defamation suit, which just got dismissed, actually, by a federal judge a couple of weeks ago. But in any event, far less is known about this same birthday book's following entry. Because right after that page with Trump's illustration, on page 166, there is a different inscription. Signed by who?

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Henry Rosowski.

• 15:39Pablo Torre?

  It reads, "Dear Jeffrey, for the man who has almost everything, but never enough of these. Sent with best wishes for your 50th birthday." And this inscription is followed, on the subsequent two pages, by a pair of multi-color illustrations, the first of which has an inscription of its own proof.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  "Tip print 2002."

• 16:02Pablo Torre?

  "Tip print 2002" is what it says in cursive. And for those not watching on YouTube or an Apple Podcast video, it's an illustration of a breast. There is a nipple right at the center. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. You see even further clarification when you get the inscription around another breast, saying...

• 16:24Speaker 03

  "Specially commissioned by Henry Rosowski, in honor of Jeffrey Epstein's 50th barf day."

• 16:31Pablo Torre?

  That is the accurate reading. It says "barf day" instead of "birthday."

• 16:38Pablo Torre?

  The Barf Day thing, I mean, I kind of wanted to dive into the rabbit hole on that. Like, what's the reference? What's the inside joke?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  I wonder.

• 16:46Pablo Torre?

  Anyway, Barf Day aside, it's worth pointing out that in the table of contents of this birthday book, Martin Novak also listed, as is the book's organizer, who we may recall from the flight log that had Larry Summers and his new bride on it.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Ghislaine Maxwell.

• 17:06Pablo Torre?

  And Ghislaine Maxwell, we should also be discussing here because this is the same woman who, in an interview with the Justice Department last summer, mentioned Henry Rosowski on tape. And this was something that I first heard because of my previous reporting on this show into Congressman Tom McMillan, who Maxwell also mentions, as you'll hear. But let's listen.

• 17:27Speaker 07

  You mentioned some other people. You mentioned President Clinton. Yes. You mentioned President Trump early on. Who were other famous slash politicians? Who were other individuals in Mr. Epstein's life during that time period? So the early 90s? The 90s. Let's, should we just? Yes. Okay. Congressman McMillan. Say it again. McMillan. Okay. Henry Rosowski, who was the president of Harvard.

• 17:55Pablo Torre?

  But that is not all.

• 17:57Speaker 07

  And then the kind of, what I called famous friends, but the prominent individuals that were in his life in the 90s. Did, does any stick out in your mind as having received massages? All of them? Henry Rosowski received a massage. And why do you, why does that stick out in your memory? Because I saw him in a bathrobe at 71st Street, and he had received a massage. He told me. And do you know whether that, whether there was any, whether the masseuse was naked during that massage? Wouldn't have any idea. Do you know whether he? I doubt it. He was like in his 80s. Say it again. I doubt it. He was like in his 80s. Okay, so, but do you know now what's happening his age? Oh, Minsky. Huh? Mint? Say it again. Minsky.

• 18:43Pablo Torre?

  And that Minsky that Ghislaine Maxwell just mentioned there, by the way, at the end, is the same Marvin Minsky who was hailed as the godfather of artificial intelligence, whom he referenced Epstein sending this email to back in part one. Quote, "I hate sports," end quote. And Minsky, who died in 2016, also did not get mentioned in the Harvard Self Report, just for the record. But as for two-time acting Harvard president Henry Rizovsky, across the Epstein files, Drew, I'd like you to now update the search for us as well. A search for his name now produces how many results?

• 19:21Speaker 03

  A search for his name in the inbox gets us to 419.

• 19:26Pablo Torre?

  419 references to Henry Rizovsky in the Epstein files. They also happen to include scheduled meetings, many scheduled meetings between the two men during-

• 19:36Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 19:36Pablo Torre?

  -these repeated visits to Harvard, which happened well after 2008, incidentally. In fact, there's one I want to focus on just here for a second. This is reportedly from Henry Rizovsky to Jeffrey Epstein's assistant about an attempt to schedule another visit by Jeffrey Epstein to Harvard. This was from June of 2015.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  "Yes, I will be back June 4th and have a lunch appointment, but please ask Jeffrey to come to our apartment. He has been here many times, and anytime after 2:00 PM. My experience in meeting him at Martin's Institute, Martin being Martin Novak, means sitting there with lots of people and no opportunity to have a real conversation, that does not work for me." Okay.

• 20:16Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, I mean, he's been there many times. He knows the deal. He wants to have a real conversation with his friend, Jeffrey Epstein. And Henry Rizovsky died in 2022. And when we asked Harvard why the late Henry Rizovsky, this eminent former dean, this truly respected president of the university, was not mentioned in the 2020 Self Report either, at all, despite his name appearing in five contact reports with Epstein and despite this larger, decades-long friendship, which continued well past that bright line of 2008, as stated earlier, Harvard declined specific comment, which is a bit of a theme in this story.

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• 22:54Pablo Torre?

  But to the credit, I suppose, of Harvard's self-investigation, I do want to mention this other thing that does line up with the 2008 bright line, which was President Tru Faust's big cutoff year after Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges in Florida connected to soliciting prostitution from a minor.

• 23:12Pablo Torre?

  There are zero contact reports with Epstein in the year 2008. Nothing was recorded in that internal database. That is accurate. But in December of 2009, Drew, according to these documents that we've obtained here.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 23:29Pablo Torre?

  Epstein did receive something from Harvard. In fact, he received a letter, a financial update from the treasurer of the university about the university's endowment fund. And this letter signed off how?

• 23:45Speaker 03

  "Your gifts to the Harvard endowment play a critical role in our success. Thank you for all that you do to help maintain Harvard's excellence." And again, this is December 2009.

• 23:56Pablo Torre?

  And I do want to acknowledge the possibility at this point that, look, maybe there was an accidental mailing. And things fall through the system, they fall through the cracks. Harvard has a lot of money, but it's big and it's complicated. And so maybe that's a one-off. But this is where we need to point out that that letter is not where this ended. Epstein received from Harvard University annual updates on the endowment mailed to him by Harvard in 2010, which was the year after that.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  I'm seeing 2011 as well.

• 24:28Pablo Torre?

  2012.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  2013.

• 24:31Pablo Torre?

  2014.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  2015.

• 24:34Pablo Torre?

  2016.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  2017.

• 24:36Pablo Torre?

  And this will shock you, 2018. I mean, what we found, Drew, is that Harvard was consistently keeping Jeffrey Epstein in the loop.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 24:49Pablo Torre?

  Getting updates about what his money was doing, how it was doing. And for anybody who might be wondering, like, is it possible that Jeffrey Epstein was just still left on an email list somewhere? It was like getting these things. I think it's worth remembering the big, giant text in the self-report about 2008 and the unequivocal nature of the cutoff and how this is something that they were very proudly, clearly delineating, the before and the after. It's not even just that.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 25:17Pablo Torre?

  What we also discovered was that Harvard also sent Jeffrey Epstein, save the dates and formal invitations to not one, but two separate fundraising campaign launch events. One was for the university. The other was for the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, two separate events in 2013. And then in 2014, Epstein received a separate fundraising mailing that in this case was signed and authored by who?

• 25:44Speaker 03

  President Emerita Drew Gilpin Faust. Faust also being the one who we talked about earlier that made the decision to not accept Epstein money in 2008.

• 25:55Pablo Torre?

  Yes, and the text on the contact report of this update is?

• 25:59Speaker 03

  As part of an ongoing stewardship and cultivation strategy for the Harvard campaign.

• 26:04Pablo Torre?

  Part of the premise of a contact report, and all of these are in the contact reports. The premise is that you're tracking everything.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 26:12Pablo Torre?

  And so the notion that you have a log of everything and you keep forgetting to check that you're populating this database with more and more Epstein stuff, well after the cutoff date of 08.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 26:27Pablo Torre?

  I mean, it made me go back to our university employee source who pointed this out.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  You see on the back end that they're maintaining contact and still making this person feel like they're a part of the project and the mission at Harvard. This is a pretty powerful guy. He's been introduced to the university by way of other very influential people. I think if you are viewing someone from the potential of their giving, you would be hesitant to sever a relationship that you can sort of wait and see.

• 27:04Pablo Torre?

  This is their internal view of it, which is that in Harvard's mind, they could have their cake and eat it too. It's important to remember that when all of these things are happening, the Jeffrey Epstein story was not the story that it is today.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 27:21Pablo Torre?

  And so could Harvard have, according to our source, their cake and eat it too? Could they cut him off by accepting no money from him directly, but still keep him in the network in case maybe this all goes away and our desires to grow our endowment at a? Far and beyond number one in the world record pace could also be achieved just in case we needed it down the road. That's what my source is saying about the mentality of the Harvard fundraising operation. And Harvard, through a spokesperson, their response to the contact reports we discovered, the annual updates that Epstein was getting, and that letter from Drew Faust said nothing.

• 28:06Pablo Torre?

  Because they once again declined to comment, instead pointing us to the general acknowledgement in that incredibly incomplete self-report that we've been dissecting here, that there were, quote, "mixed signals from the development office," end quote.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  And certainly in the 2010s, even though we had Faust's rule in 2008 that, hey, we're not going to directly accept any Epstein money, there were some instances in the 2010s where he's coming in, he's brokering gifts, he's asking other people to donate it, but he's the middleman. And if you look at Harvard's report, the 27-page report, there is a clause at the very end where they say, "There is no actual university policy right now that governs donations of this sort that are brokered by a figure that we've distanced ourselves from."

• 28:47Pablo Torre?

  Right.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  And so, the report calls attention to the fact that there is no policy there, and that is still a conversation that's going on now, what, six years later?

• 28:55Pablo Torre?

  Yeah. And what I would also point out is that this sort of view of, "Let's just keep him on the mailing list, but not take his money," simultaneous to that, university professors like Martin Novak were still trying to get Epstein money into Harvard.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 29:11Pablo Torre?

  I mean, this is frankly, a whole other multi-part series, but well past 2008, the individuals in Epstein's network were still trying to figure out, is it okay yet for us to take money from him again?

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:24Pablo Torre?

  And here's the thing, it's not even just the mailings on the university list that we're talking about, which, again, in fairness, lots of other people get. In Harvard's system, there is also something called a donor rating.

• 29:40Pablo Torre?

  And Jeffrey Epstein was raided in terms of his financial spending power, according to these documents in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, as he was donating his millions to the university. And again, of course, in 2008, there is nothing. But it does not end at that point, Drew, with Epstein's conviction in Florida on sex crimes. Because in 2012, according to this internal fundraising database that we have acquired, who decides to assign a new rating to Jeffrey Epstein as a financial prospect?

• 30:14Speaker 03

  The Harvard Medical School.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  So yeah, this is a school rating. The point of these is to have a deeper view of what the person's current financial situation is. So this is a rating. It appears to be for 75 million.

• 30:30Pablo Torre?

  A new donor rating for Jeffrey Epstein was created. Personalized, direct to Epstein of 75 million dollars, which was a steep drop off, by the way, from his previous rating, which was, again, in 2007.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  He was in the 100 million to 500 million dollar range. And then he dropped down here to the 50 mil to 100 mil range.

• 30:54Pablo Torre?

  How embarrassing. But this was pre-08 conviction and post. And none of this was mentioned at all in the self-report.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  And this was certainly custom, because if you look at the actual document that we obtained, there is a comment in the comment box on the document that says, "rating based on estimated net worth of nine figures", and it even attributes it to Forbes, right? This is not some sort of automated system. It indicates what the source is here and how they came to the math that they did.

• 31:23Pablo Torre?

  Right. And when we asked Harvard, their spokesperson, for a response to this Harvard Medical School rating, while Epstein was a convicted child predator, the university very conspicuously declined to comment. And so I think it's worth making a pretty nuanced point here, in fairness to everybody, which is that we are not reporting that Harvard has published outright lies.

• 31:48Pablo Torre?

  It's clear that this is a legally vetted document. And I think that is actually what's most interesting. Because what we were reporting here is that the people running this investigation, what they failed to do was report. They failed to tell the real story and they covered up the actual relationship the university had with Jeffrey Epstein. And this relationship via this accessible database of internal documents was available for them to analyze and publish quite easily. And this concern was particularly relevant to one of the rugby players, actually, that we talked to before.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  So I work in the nonprofit sector now, so I'm very familiar with fundraising. And I'm also familiar with the kind of slippery slope of cognitive dissonance that people who have ambitious fundraising goals from powerful, complicated people that they can go through to rationalize what needs to be done in order to hit their financial targets.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  But as much as I can empathize with that difficulty, that is what grownups do. They draw a line and they say, I don't cross this line for any reason because I'm a person of integrity.

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• 34:15Pablo Torre?

  So as we get to the end here, Drew, before I can return you to campus.

• 34:19Pablo Torre?

  Back to your normal life as an unassuming college journalist. I should point out that there is a relatively overlooked email in the Epstein files that I do need to show you because I've been thinking about this one ever since I found it. And it was sent to Epstein in 2017 by his crisis communication strategist, Matthew Hiltzik. And the subject line reads.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  Privileged and confidential.

• 34:46Pablo Torre?

  My favorite kind. And the body of the email begins.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  This is an outline of what we would present in a story.

• 34:55Pablo Torre?

  And under a section of this email titled philanthropic efforts. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the email mentions immediately two Harvard programs. The Evolutionary Dynamics Institute, the program head that we referenced before, as well as the Mind Body Committee. That's at the very top of that list. But what I want to zoom down into here is the section below called third party validators. Because can you read for us, please? The top two choices of third party validators. This atop the medal stand of would be Jeffrey Epstein defenders.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  Here's the two. Number one, Harvard University professor and twice acting president of Harvard University, Henry Rosowski. The second, former United States Secretary of the Treasury and president emeritus of Harvard University, Lawrence Summers.

• 35:48Pablo Torre?

  There is great complexity in the.

• 35:52Pablo Torre?

  Assemblage of all of these dots and the timeline that we've pieced together here. But this is simple. The part where Jeffrey Epstein's PR person wants him to know that we should turn to the two characters we've been discussing in this episode, the two presidents we've been discussing in this episode, that Harvard self-report protected by leaving out of that central document of accountability. I mean, this is exactly what millions of dollars can buy a billionaire pedophile. It's the ability to use the biggest brand, the number one school, the most prestigious cosign in higher education to launder your image.

• 36:35Pablo Torre?

  I just don't know how one elides that takeaway.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  And you also look at the other names that are in that list, and you're going to find Bill Gates, you're going to find Kathy Rimmer. Those are all names that are deeply associated with Epstein's orbit, and those are also all names that have faced some pretty serious repercussions in the aftermath of the files, right? Kathy Rimmer stepped up and down from the post, other people in the list as well.

• 36:59Pablo Torre?

  Gates is about to testify in front of Congress next month in June.

• 37:03Speaker 03

  Precisely.

• 37:04Pablo Torre?

  Noted Harvard dropout and big time Harvard donor himself, incidentally.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Precisely.

• 37:08Pablo Torre?

  So again, that email was sent to Epstein in 2017. This takes us now to the next year, November of 2018, when journalist Julie K. Brown of the Miami Herald decided to tell a very different kind of story. A year-long investigation, the Miami Herald says it has located 60 women who say they were molested or sexually assaulted by multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein, several telling their stories publicly for the first time. One tells the Herald, "This is about justice, not just for them, but for, quote, 'other victims who aren't Olympic athletes or Hollywood stars.'" This is video of Jeffrey Epstein's home, taken by investors. ...during a search of the multimillionaire's Palm Beach mansion.

• 37:53Pablo Torre?

  It is where Epstein was involved with at least 40 underage girls, some of whom he had sex with, according to court filings obtained by NBC News. Several of his accusers speaking out for the first time to the Miami Herald. I was 16. I was 16. I started going to him when I was like 14, 15, 14 turning 15. Yeah, again, Drew, for those not watching, you may have noticed something in that video.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Something familiar, something familiar. You watch for 20 seconds and there's a hoodie, crimson hoodie. You look in the, in the corner, bottom right corner, and you see the crest. The same crest that's atop the Jeffrey E. Epstein fund document that we obtained. The classic Harvard crest that it's known for. It is a hoodie of Harvard that he's wearing in a video about Julie K. Brand's investigation.

• 38:43Pablo Torre?

  Which is the actual investigation done, again, by a journalistic outlet, a newspaper, a local paper in Miami. That changed everything. This was the thing that tipped over the dominoes that led to Epstein's arrest, to his death, to the public pressure and the Crimson reporting that led Harvard to investigate itself in 2019. A process which apparently continues still today, Drew.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  That's right. Harvard announced earlier that it would not only probe affiliates who were mentioned in the files from Harvard's faculty. So that would include people like Larry Summers, that would include Martin Novak. That was announced in November. And then closer to February, we also learned that that investigation would also include donors. Harvard's effectively doing what it did in 2020 over again. It said, let's run it back. And clearly, even from the 2020 report, there seems to have been some details that were left out. And now the picture of who needs to be investigated is much broader than it was in 2020.

• 39:45Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, it is so clear that Harvard was a primary nexus of how Jeffrey Epstein... Built his empire, built his reputation, if nothing else. And all of this, this attempt, this second shot at accountability, right? It made me curious what one of the rugby players that we talked to might be expecting from this other second investigation about Harvard's own role in this network of birthday books and secret visits and allegedly wonderful secrets.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  I just hope that the university learns from this, that there is support for university leaders to say no to donors and to draw a line when people act in a way and their money comes from actions that just don't align with the mission of the university. And that is absolutely what should have happened here. We could have waited longer with our scrappy fundraising to keep this man out of the university environment

• 41:02Speaker 01

  where he was clearly buying influence and his behavior was being normalized under Harvard's global brand. Larry, there's a special circle of hell that's waiting for you. That's all I have to say about that. Like, you should have known better.

• 41:23Pablo Torre?

  What felt on the front end when I was at Harvard, like the grandest cliche, which is that the [bleep] word

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, veritas.

• 41:32Pablo Torre?

  On the Harvard shield is veritas.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:37Pablo Torre?

  And for those who did not take Latin, what does that word mean?

• 41:41Speaker 01

  It means truth, y'all. It means truth. Can we just stop lying? Veritas. Make it happen.

• 41:52Pablo Torre?

  It's the thing on your sweatshirt right now.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 41:55Pablo Torre?

  It's the thing on every bit of this story that resembles frankly, not just a hope and an ambition for how to maybe correct what was omitted and portrayed. But it's also like truly the lowest bar of a promise of like, what's this university about? What could you be doing? What should you have done?

• 42:19Speaker 03

  And it's twofold, right? The truth is, don't put inaccurate information, but also don't hide information. And I think those two prongs sometimes are not both met. And I think what I'm hearing, at least from folks that I talked to in my end, is the hope that both of those prongs will be met as part of this report and that at long last, we will have a comprehensive review of Harvard's ties to Epstein.

• 42:42Pablo Torre?

  We might not be done investigating. Drew.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  I fear you might be right.

• 42:47Pablo Torre?

  Drew Patel, speaking of bars, I don't think you can even go to one.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  I cannot. 20 years old.

• 42:54Pablo Torre?

  Oh, my God.

• 42:57Pablo Torre?

  Yeah. Thank you for your reporting and get out of here before I feel even older than I am.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  Thank you, Pablo. Appreciate you.

• 43:14Pablo Torre?

  Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Avaroma, Maxwell Carney, Ryan Cortez, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McCray, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, and Chris Tumanello. Studio engineering by RG Systems, sound design by Andrew Bersick, digital strategy by Bailey Carlin and Andrew Northern, theme song, as always, by John Bravo. And we'll talk to you next time.

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