Haunted with Georgia Hardstark of My Favorite Murder

This episode is a major full circle moment and our My Favorite Murder fangirl dreams come true. We sat down with the incredible Georgia Hardstark from My Favorite Murder and confirmed that she does love Grandparents and was in fact the kid who played ouija boards at sleepovers when she was a kid.🎉 Together, we dive into the paranormal, true crime conspiracies, and haunted treasures. From ghostly gowns and eerie poison rings to haunted houses with gangster spirits and a ghost cow or two. 🏚️🐄👻 Georgia shares stories about her love for vintage items, potential hauntings, and a very suspicious brooch that freaked her cat out (haunted accessory alert?!). Plus, we explore her paranormal encounters as a kid, her thoughts on aliens (future humans?!), and what she’d do as a ghost—spoiler: it involves cats and mischief. 🐾✨ We also played a paranormal twist on Two Truths and a Lie that had us guessing which Victorian mansion, Edwardian gown, or mysterious antique might be hiding a haunted past. Grab your headphones, some snacks (ghost cheese, anyone?), and settle in for an hour of laughter, chills, and spooky inspiration. This episode is sponsored by iRestore and Nature Sage. iRestore Illumina Face Mask is 360 medical-grade LEDs of pure magic which is double most other brands. It hits your skin with red, infrared, and blue light all at once, tackling wrinkles, acne, and inflammation like a boss. For a limited time, our listeners get $205 off their Illumina Face Mask with code TGOG25 at iRestorelaser.com Naturesage makes plant-based, Omega 3 supplements you’ll love (without the fishy taste). Head to NatureSageOmega3.com/TGOG and use code TGOG for 40% off your order. If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:59Corinne Vien?

  Hi!

• 1:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're so excited for today's episode.

• 1:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my god.

• 1:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cheerleader arms, jazz fingers, all of it.

• 1:07Corinne Vien?

  First podcast we ever listened to.

• 1:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The podcast that bonded us, that inspired our podcast.

• 1:14Corinne Vien?

  I went and saw them live.

• 1:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Same.

• 1:16Corinne Vien?

  The first podcast I ever saw live.

• 1:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Same. On Halloween, nonetheless.

• 1:20Corinne Vien?

  Really?

• 1:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In Los Angeles.

• 1:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my god. So we've been my favorite murder listeners for a very long time. OG listeners. Before any of our friends even listened to podcasts, you and I were listening to my favorite murder.

• 1:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  People didn't even know what podcasts were.

• 1:32Corinne Vien?

  The first two podcasters we stalked for Karen in Georgia.

• 1:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Truly. Like stalking is a light...

• 1:38Corinne Vien?

  It's light.

• 1:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's lightly what we did.

• 1:40Corinne Vien?

  But we got to talk to Georgia Hardstark. And we played it pretty cool, I think.

• 1:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did a good job. Also, it helped that I was bawling my eyes out like 20 minutes prior to this, and I had to get my act together and be like, "Okay, I'm a human."

• 1:54Corinne Vien?

  And I've been numb for seven months because I don't sleep and I'm just trying to keep a baby alive.

• 1:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:59Corinne Vien?

  So that made it easy for us to not absolutely lose our shit, but we are losing our shit now because of how freaking cool that we got to Georgia.

• 2:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It really feels like this amazing, beautiful, full circle moment. And we're so grateful for the conversation we had. It was so much fun. We played a really fun game that Corinne and I want to play all the time.

• 2:18Corinne Vien?

  I know. It was really fun to research it.

• 2:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So we really hope you enjoy this episode with Georgia Hardstark of My Favorite Murder and of a special place in our hearts.

• 2:30Corinne Vien?

  We love you, Georgia.

• 2:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do. We hope you enjoy.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  Hi, look how cute your studio is.

• 2:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's brand new. It's new to us.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  I know. I'm so excited for you guys.

• 3:02Corinne Vien?

  We have some vintage items in here. I'm so terrified. So our studio is like just the office in my house. And I've been both excited to get some antiques, but also terrified that my house is going to become more haunted from us doing this.

• 3:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We would record at my house, but I have a cat and Corinne is like deathly allergic.

• 3:25Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 3:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. Because I'm like, I want to collect haunted things.

• 3:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would love it.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  You have to take them home.

• 3:32Corinne Vien?

  I feel like you have a lot of antiques and vintage items. Have you ever experienced anything like with anything you've picked up?

• 3:40Speaker 04

  No, I feel very like close and like, like a lot of them are precious because I get them sometimes at estate sales. So I'll know like the whole, kind of the whole life of the person I bought them from. And it's really weird like plucking one thing that I'm like, this is cool that you like that. It's like a little judgmental. But I'm always like, well, I'm going to take really good care of it. I'm going to love it. I like to display all my vintage things and stare at them. And they just kind of all mean a lot to me and have stories. So I feel like if I'm going to get haunted by them, which is fine, it'll be positive because I'm like cherishing stuff that they cherish too.

• 4:16Corinne Vien?

  That's a good attitude to take. In Massachusetts, there's antique flea fair sort of.

• 4:22Corinne Vien?

  It's called Brimfield. It's like the largest one in the US and I go every single year.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  My dream.

• 4:28Corinne Vien?

  But you should come out and go. They have it three times a year, but that's kind of my rule when I'm there. I'm like, I have to only pick out things that I am so obsessed with that if someone is haunting them, they'll appreciate how much I adore this item.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  That's exactly it.

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're giving it a good home and appreciating it and loving it the way they probably want it to be loved.

• 4:46Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 4:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Rather than like finding something randomly and perhaps it not wanting to go home with you.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like every time I find something, I feels, cause I'm, you know, I'm a kind of clutter person, but I'm very like intentional with what I put in my house. So it does feel like, like fortuitous that I found this thing and maybe it's like speaking to me somehow and the object or the person who inhabits it knows that I will like cherish it. I know that's so corny, but.

• 5:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it's so special.

• 5:16Corinne Vien?

  Well, and also, so have your cats or any animals ever reacted to anything you've brought in?

• 5:23Speaker 04

  I'm honestly disappointed because

• 5:28Speaker 04

  I mean, actually, you know what? Wait, now that I think about it, I did have an old vintage brooch on once and I was holding my cat Moe and he's very gentle with me, but he saw the brooch and he did freak out and scratched my face like trying to get out of my arms.

• 5:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  I never even connected it to the brooch. Oh my God. Okay.

• 5:48Corinne Vien?

  You have a haunted brooch. Now you have to.

• 5:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There you go.

• 5:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Do some paranormal tests, do some investigations, bring it around all of the animals, see what happens.

• 5:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it sounds like you haven't really had many paranormal experiences, but perhaps want to?

• 6:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did as a child, but not as adults. So, and I'm not saying I want to, because I feel like inviting that stuff into my life.

• 6:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Sure. Sure.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  No, don't do that. But when I was a kid, I had a couple of experiences. That I, as a rational adult who hasn't had any experiences, I do still have a hard time dismissing outright.

• 6:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you want to share with us what happened?

• 6:26Speaker 04

  Sure, yeah.

• 6:27Corinne Vien?

  I'll preface this by saying, no matter what you say, we're gonna fully be like, that's a ghost story.

• 6:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm the same way. Even though I'm so skeptical, I'm like, no, that's true. That's right.

• 6:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, we like never question it. For like seven years, we've recorded this podcast and like we'll hear noise and we're like, 100% a ghost, we're haunted.

• 6:45Corinne Vien?

  Oh, no. What did we do?

• 6:47Speaker 04

  I'm always waiting for it too. And like, because I was listening to you guys talk about your houses and they're like, from the 1700s and shit. And mine is like, I'm like, it's old, but it's Los Angeles old. So it's like from the 1940s.

• 6:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is actually very old for Los Angeles.

• 7:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, and also Los Angeles is such a transient community too, that think about how many people have probably gone through, how many energies have lived in that home.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Totally. And it looks like it should be haunted. It's kind of got like, like old kind of Cape Cod vibes.

• 7:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 7:16Speaker 04

  Like dormer windows and all these like, you know, diamond like window panes and stuff like that. It looks like it should be haunted. And I'm like, okay, like, let's do it. But we've been here for like three years and I haven't gotten any.

• 7:28Corinne Vien?

  That's a great sign.

• 7:29Speaker 04

  I've gotten positive vibes.

• 7:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, they're enjoying you if there are any ghosts there. So they're just like hanging out, chilling.

• 7:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  Right, I'm doing okay, I guess. I also totally believe in like, I'm going off topic now, but like, there are like people who are haunted. So it's not necessarily the house.

• 7:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're looking at one of them. Corinne is 100%.

• 7:48Corinne Vien?

  Followed.

• 7:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:49Speaker 04

  You have an open like mind to it, right? And that's probably why.

• 7:54Corinne Vien?

  I honestly have no idea. My parents, every house that they lived in since the time that basically they were pregnant with me, was haunted. They have all these stories of like me as a baby interacting with people. And my earliest memories are like seeing shadow beings and ghosts and people in our home. So I don't know why.

• 8:14Corinne Vien?

  I didn't like actively choose.

• 8:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And ask for it.

• 8:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And it's not like I'm like some psychic medium where I'm like, can actively choose to like communicate with the dead or, or see people all the time. It just happens.

• 8:25Speaker 04

  The plane is thinner for you somehow.

• 8:27Corinne Vien?

  I guess so. I don't know.

• 8:28Speaker 04

  I think that is true for children too, which is why I'm kind of like, all right, maybe I did have experiences because there's just a couple of moments where like, as a child where I saw. I, you know, I call it like a spirit and sometimes it would be really clearly a person.

• 8:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  Like holographic kinda.

• 8:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like full body apparition, but clearly not like of.

• 8:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, and not where they should be too, because like, you know, I would be in my room with the door closed. And this one time I had a bunk bed and I was like on my bunk bed. And then out of the corner of my eye, like I saw my, what I thought was my brother jumping up to like surprise me. And then I look and he's not in the room, the door is closed.

• 9:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, bunk beds are so scary in that way. That's horrifying.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  And then one time I was laying in bed at night and, you know, we had one of the closets that the push door, what are those called? Like on rollers.

• 9:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The folding. Yeah, bi-fold doors.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Speaker 04

  And one of them just fucking started opening. And I didn't have cats. I was a little kid. We didn't have cats when I was little, so.

• 9:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's always closets too, like closets, basements and attics are just hotspots and bathrooms. I guess anywhere can be haunted. I guess anywhere, yeah, the corner of your bedroom. Yeah, truly anywhere, but closets, I feel like as a little kid, it's, it's the classic like closet or under your bed. But it is so true that so many people, like even in adulthood, so many stories start with something weird happening in their, the closet.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, as like a rational adult, I'm like, I definitely had a wild imagination as a kid. And I would be daydreaming constantly and in my own world and I would like read a lot of fanciful fiction and I just would go into a different place. So in my mind, sometimes I'm just like, well, you know, that was, it was all my imagination, but, but I'm still happy it happened. If that's true, it's kind of cool.

• 10:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean this in like the most complimentary way ever, but you seem like the type of person who as a kid like did witchcraft for like with, with friends. Brought the Ouija board to the sleepover.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Were you?

• 10:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, I did in the eighties, the eighties and nineties. And it was like, that's what you fucking did at sleepovers.

• 10:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  They let us watch anything on TV. It was like constantly terrifying. So it was just like normal.

• 10:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did anything scary ever happen when you like at sleepovers or anything?

• 10:49Speaker 04

  Never. I'm so sorry. Never. Which is why I'm like, something would have happened. Something should have happened, but.

• 10:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Or like the ghosts were like, they're scaring themselves enough. We don't need to, we don't need to step in.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  Like I know my friend was moving the Ouija board. This is the one time that the Ouija board moved. I'm like, now looking back like Nicole, you were fucking moving that thing. It was saying all this like her future and how amazing her future was gonna be. I'm like, girl.

• 11:17Corinne Vien?

  I love that. It's all about Nicole in this Ouija board session.

• 11:21Speaker 04

  I mean, her future did become amazing though. So maybe it was.

• 11:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, maybe it was a ghost then.

• 11:25Corinne Vien?

  Maybe it was Nicole's future self coming back to tell her she still plays with Ouija boards. Would you use a Ouija board now?

• 11:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's so funny. Like I have no problem with it now. We Karen and I were like, wherever Ouija boards were created, we did a live show there and someone brought us like, you know, these really special Ouija boards as like gifts.

• 11:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  And I was like, hell yeah. So excited. And Karen was like, those can't go on the plane with us. Come back with us. Like, what are you talking about?

• 11:56Corinne Vien?

  This is like our dynamic. Sabrina would be like, hell yes. And I'd be like, oh my God, we have to bury this thing in some sort of ritual, leave it behind.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  Right. When she said that, I was like, well, now I can't bring it because if something does happen, it'll be like the Ouija boards. Even like my husband Vince, who's like, he's a very like straight shooter, Midwestern, like, you know, normal dude. And he was like, don't, you can't bring that home.

• 12:20Corinne Vien?

  Well, you also don't know what happened to the Ouija board before. Like it'd be one thing if it, if you created it or like you worked with someone to have it be made. But it's another thing to just be gifted one or to happen upon one because you have no clue if people like properly closed it, what they did with it, if there's anything attached to it. So I understand that. But to make you feel a little bit better about Ouija boards, even though one of our like rules is that we won't play with them. We play with

• 12:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It used to be a rule, but now I'm dabbling.

• 12:51Corinne Vien?

  You've opened yourself up beyond

• 12:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Something's happened to me.

• 12:53Corinne Vien?

  Our boundaries are being pushed.

• 12:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm crossing the boundaries.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, when you get in years and years into a podcast, you're like, well, I need more material. So this is fucking happening.

• 13:01Corinne Vien?

  We literally did that the other day. I went from being like, I will never play a paranormal game to us trying to like, enter the astral plane through this paranormal game.

• 13:13Corinne Vien?

  So.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  I mean, that just sounds kind of like something you do, you know?

• 13:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it was fun. We quit early though, because we were getting a lot of EVPs from ghosts telling us to stop. So I was like, let's listen.

• 13:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, we behave. Yeah.

• 13:24Corinne Vien?

  But Ouija boards were originally created as a date night activity. So it was supposed to be for romance to like, kind of get to know the other person better to, it was like a fortune teller sort of thing for like, date night to be like, what's our future? Are we going to get married? How many kids are we going to have?

• 13:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cute.

• 13:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  That can't be haunted. That can't take a plane down.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  You would hope.

• 13:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 15:25Speaker 04

  Right. That's such a good point where you're assigning this thing.

• 15:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:29Speaker 04

  I mean, really, it's your own, your own wavelengths that you're bringing out.

• 15:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  That you're like putting into it.

• 15:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. That's a whole other thing is like our, I mean, we fully believe in ghosts, but there, I feel like there are some paranormal encounters that are just like our brains creating something and using a part of our brain that we don't really understand yet.

• 15:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, definitely. It's hard to.

• 15:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hallucination.

• 15:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but it's reminding me of when I was in middle school, we had like this one sleepover in middle school and all of us saw these glowing red eyes from the front administration office, like the shadow of a person and glowing eyes. And we all booked it out of there.

• 16:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God.

• 16:06Corinne Vien?

  He's like the off, he went and checked because he was like, oh, my God, did someone break in to the middle school or whatever? And it was locked up. And then he started telling us about group hallucinations and how people can all have like a mass hallucination, which I still don't understand because I'm like, isn't that in and of itself kind of paranormal and spooky that like everyone can sync up on one sort of thing?

• 16:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The universal consciousness.

• 16:25Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's such a good point because like we don't totally understand how the brain works. And there are like levels that we don't tap into and you know, maybe more so as children before we know we're not supposed to, or we

• 16:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  We like lose it because we don't use it. I do think that there's something there of like, you know, like the, um, what's the really great scary movie with Nicole Kidman?

• 16:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Others.

• 16:50Speaker 04

  That feels to me so correct.

• 16:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Agreed. Yeah. Agreed.

• 16:54Speaker 04

  Where it's like, we're all living here at once and sometimes something slips through.

• 16:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:59Speaker 04

  I just, I love that idea.

• 17:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or like Matilda where. Oh my God, I love Matilda was my like.

• 17:06Corinne Vien?

  Where she just like had to tap into this power.

• 17:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  That's exactly what I wanted to be Matilda.

• 17:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who didn't?

• 17:12Speaker 04

  So it would make sense that I.

• 17:14Corinne Vien?

  Every time I see a piece of chocolate cake, I'll never not think of that one scene.

• 17:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce.

• 17:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. We had a, we had a live show last year on Halloween and I dressed up as Miss Trunchbull and you were Zach Bagans. And no one recognized us as we were like walking. We were like at the bar drinking before the show.

• 17:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, like two school teachers or something.

• 17:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 17:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:37Corinne Vien?

  We were just hideous enough.

• 17:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, okay. So in terms of what you would do for paranormal experiences now, like you said, you would use a Ouija board. Would you stay overnight in a haunted location?

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Yes, I kind of want to.

• 17:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Would you sleep or would you like stay awake waiting for something to happen?

• 18:00Speaker 04

  It depends on if I'm alone, I think.

• 18:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:02Speaker 04

  But I know my husband wouldn't fucking do it. So I'd have to kind of.

• 18:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll do it with you.

• 18:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  I don't think he would do it. Like, I think even if we like, we were looking at houses and they were like, this one might be haunted. He'd be like, we're not living here. What? But you don't believe in ghosts. Like, yeah, but now we know that.

• 18:19Corinne Vien?

  So he does believe a little bit.

• 18:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's scared.

• 18:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:22Corinne Vien?

  He's unwilling to find out if his belief needs to be tested. He doesn't want to.

• 18:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 18:26Corinne Vien?

  Doesn't want to see.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  No, I, I think he's a little more afraid than he lets on.

• 18:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think that's a common theme for a lot of people who don't believe.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 18:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, even when a ghost experience is a positive experience, I feel like a lot of the times it's startling or scary at first because you don't expect.

• 18:43Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 18:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like your experience, Georgia, where like you thought your brother was popping up, but nope.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Well, it also like shakes your understanding of life.

• 18:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  And reality completely, right? Cause you have to change your mindset on, unless you're like, you know, 100%. It's like your mindset has to now change. Same with like seeing an alien or like a spacecraft. It's like now you have to change everything you thought you knew about reality and that's terrifying. And so that was a terrifying experience when really it could have been positive.

• 19:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Do you believe in aliens?

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Um. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know if I believe that anyone's ever

• 19:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 19:21Speaker 04

  had experiences, but who the fuck am I to say? Like, same thing with ghosts, like,

• 19:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:26Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 19:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 19:27Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 19:28Corinne Vien?

  There was a theory going around, I think it was like last year, about the idea that aliens are actually us from the future and it's some sort of, you know, like glitch in time and figuring out how to go back.

• 19:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And people were giving all of these examples of like how humans could evolve and develop based on the direction that things are going with like global warming and, and stuff like that.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 19:51Corinne Vien?

  And it, it did make sense, the appearances of these like gray aliens with how humans could potentially.

• 19:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like we'd get like big, dark eyes because we'd like have to live underground. So our eyes would be like more night vision.

• 20:05Corinne Vien?

  More nocturnal. Yeah. It was, it was really interesting. And I was like, oh, that makes sense because who's more obsessed with us than us? Right? So like, of course it'd be humans going back to like observe humans.

• 20:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Observe how stupid we are.

• 20:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like I, I guess there's like not a lot of like theories that I would outright, like when it comes to paranormal stuff or that kind of thing, I would outrightly be like, I don't believe in that or no, because what do I know? Like, I'm really open to the idea that, yeah, our brains are not, our brains do way more than we use them for. And reality, no one knows exactly what that is and why, and why we're even conscious and alive. And so who knows? But yeah, but back to the fucking haunted house. I say yes right now in the light of day in my safe little non haunted house, but put me in an Airbnb in like fucking Virginia.

• 20:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 04

  And I'd be like, hell no, probably.

• 21:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The whistle outside of the door. Right. Especially if you're alone. Like there's a fun sleepover energy to going to a haunted place with friends.

• 21:08Corinne Vien?

  And it has to be more than two people because I feel like you and I together, I'm more scared than sometimes we, we go to paranormal places with like a couple of other friends. And I'm way less scared when it, when the group is larger.

• 21:18Speaker 04

  Each other up.

• 21:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. You have more protection. There's like an extra person to walk to the bathroom with you.

• 21:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Oh yeah. The first time we went to, we went to the conjuring house. When was that, like three years ago now? And Corinne and I would not go to the bathroom alone. Like, we would go together every time.

• 21:34Corinne Vien?

  Every time.

• 21:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then we went to the Lizzie Borden house. We started going to the bathroom by ourselves. We grew up.

• 21:39Corinne Vien?

  We got braver. We had the second.

• 21:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nice.

• 21:41Corinne Vien?

  Second adventure. Okay, this is paranormal adjacent, but it doesn't have to be. Your answer doesn't have to be paranormal, because I know you know a lot about, obviously, like, the world of true crime and some really interesting cases. But is there one conspiracy theory that you truly believe and that you could argue for?

• 22:00Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. I think that the assassination of JFK is one that I could go in loops for, for the rest of my life.

• 22:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  Where if I'm talking to a person who has a theory, I'm like, yeah, totally. And like, right there with them, and then jump to the next theory. And I'm like, yeah, no, that's.

• 22:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Like, it's so hard for me to believe that that one is as simple as, you know, the government wants you to think it is.

• 22:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Especially because if you look at, like, all the Kennedys and like, how many of them have died in weird ways, and then like, the Marilyn Monroe connection, all of those things.

• 22:35Corinne Vien?

  I've seen the photos, too. It's like, it's one of those things where, like, you accidentally sometimes click a little too far down the rabbit hole, and then suddenly you're looking at actual crime scene photos. And I.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:45Corinne Vien?

  That was really, I hated seeing Jackie, like, reach for part of his brain.

• 22:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I know.

• 22:51Corinne Vien?

  I didn't know what I was looking at until it was described.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, under the photo. And I was like, I've seen a lot of those.

• 22:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  I do think the theory that, like, that makes a lot of sense to me, that I, like, have followed, is that the CIA agent who was covering their car accidentally fired his gun. I think it was either, like, the second shot, that doesn't make any sense, well, how it would come from the book depository. It came from, you know, a panicked CIA agent.

• 23:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  Who was trying to protect him and accidentally shot him.

• 23:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I understand, like, human nature, like, the fear in that moment.

• 23:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That happening.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Sure. And then also, like, why the government wouldn't want to, you know, make that public.

• 23:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  It's just bad on a lot of levels, so. But I also think they wanted him dead, so I don't.

• 23:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think it's this assassination where there's a photo of this like one mystery woman that they've all like, there's that like-

• 23:44Speaker 04

  The Babushka lady.

• 23:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Yes, geez, I know my-

• 23:48Corinne Vien?

  Well, you two are both deep in the conspiracy. I-

• 23:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is my entire-

• 23:51Corinne Vien?

  I need to catch up.

• 23:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Algorithm.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  It's, it's just conspiracy theories. The whole way down. Oh, my God, the rabbit holes I go down. Like, I just watched the new Zodiac documentary.

• 24:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  And like, just the rabbit hole after that.

• 24:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  It's like, all night.

• 24:07Corinne Vien?

  We went down a rabbit hole of our own in preparation for speaking to you.

• 24:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 24:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, you've heard of the game Two Truths and a Lie, right?

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're gonna play that, but a paranormal edition. So, we're gonna, we have three categories.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we're gonna show you three different things in each category, and you have to pick which one you think is haunted.

• 24:29Speaker 04

  Okay. And you know which one is haunted?

• 24:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:31Corinne Vien?

  We know.

• 24:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We know.

• 24:32Corinne Vien?

  Actually, we don't know-

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, I'm so excited.

• 24:34Corinne Vien?

  Because we, we kind of like split up looking for items, so we don't-

• 24:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know yours, yeah.

• 24:38Corinne Vien?

  You don't know mine, I don't know yours.

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Okay, we can all play.

• 24:40Corinne Vien?

  This will be kind of a test of like intuition, and if we can get the vibes right.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  Totally. No, I'm like taking this very seriously. I'll be very disappointed if I get it wrong.

• 24:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna show you three houses, and I'm gonna tell you like a little bit about them.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 26:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 26:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is one of the most photographed Victorians in Alameda, California. And for just $2.35 million, this beautiful Queen Anne home built in 1893 offers a wraparound shredded porch, four bedrooms.

• 26:48Corinne Vien?

  Why do I feel like $2.35 million doesn't feel like that much for California and that size house?

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Huge house.

• 26:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a huge house. This is not like Los Angeles. Yeah. Four bedrooms and two and a half baths. It has a full basement and original features like stained glass windows, wall coverings, hand painted crown moldings, pocket doors, and a large backyard with a Mary Shelley approved Victorian era garden.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  Gorgeous.

• 27:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So those are three photos of it. It is stunning.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  It's stunning. It's like in perfect condition and totally.

• 27:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it's renovated.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  I look at a lot of listings for just for fun and like if this were near me in Pasadena in California, this would be like 6 million.

• 27:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, easily. Yeah.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  It's incredible. Okay.

• 27:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so this is house one. House two is called the Ensign Mansion and it is in Troy, New York. It's a historic home being sold for a very spooky price. Can you guess?

• 27:48Corinne Vien?

  6.66 million?

• 27:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, it's cheaper.

• 27:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 27:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it is six hundred and sixty-six thousand and six hundred and sixty-six dollars.

• 27:56Corinne Vien?

  Ah.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  No, come on, you guys.

• 27:58Corinne Vien?

  If it wasn't haunted to begin with, they're trying to make it haunted right now.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  They're trying to, yeah, totally. That's hilarious.

• 28:04Corinne Vien?

  I feel like this is when Nicolas Cage comes knocking and he's like, I'll buy it.

• 28:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:08Corinne Vien?

  Because weirdly, he buys haunted, well, I guess mostly like New Or-.

• 28:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He used to own the La Llorie mansion in New Orleans. But then he went broke and sold it.

• 28:17Corinne Vien?

  But he pre-purchased a, what's it called, like a plot in the cemetery in New Orleans for himself.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  Wow. He's got to buy the Los Feliz murder mansion that's been for sale here for like

• 28:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Forever.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  So long, no one will touch it.

• 28:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. Yeah, this house is gorgeous. It looks like it should be in New Orleans.

• 28:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does, yeah. Okay, so it is a creepy price, but it has four beds, two baths, it's thirty-eight hundred square feet. But um, as you can tell in the photo that

• 28:45Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 28:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It might need some work.

• 28:47Corinne Vien?

  This is the classic haunted house picture where there's one single chair. It's either like a wheelchair or an old chair or like a hospital bed in the middle of the room.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  In the middle of the room. It's like whoever staged this is like really going with the idea.

• 29:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're leaning in. It is a national registered historic landmark and there are new windows, wood floors, and apparently in the primary bedroom, there are heated floors, so that's exciting.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 29:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there's a stunning balcony upon which to watch your neighbors, or if you like to rock in a rocking chair and read a paper, you can do that too. And it has a greenhouse in the backyard.

• 29:25Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 29:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 29:26Corinne Vien?

  So we have a garden in the first one, a greenhouse in the second one.

• 29:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:30Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 29:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Plant people. Okay, now the third one. I'm just gonna show you the picture first.

• 29:36Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 29:38Speaker 04

  I love it. I feel like we're like doing cheap old houses.

• 29:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Scrolling.

• 29:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yes, yes. I'm always so tempted to buy those houses when they post them and then I look up where they are and I'm like, this is the middle of home fuck nowhere. It's the middle of nowhere and I have zero DIY skills, so. You're like this hole that just drops into the basement. I'm not sure I can deal with this.

• 30:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's fun to dream about, but in reality would be very difficult.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  I'll buy the flip version.

• 30:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, right. Have someone else do the work for you. Well, then you don't want to buy this one, but it's called the Turner Mansion and it's in New Vineyard, Maine. It's a real fixer-upper if you can't tell, but for just $59,000, you could own the project of a century or the project that will take you a century. And it comes with everything inside. So there are, like in this next photo, like it comes with all of these old books and the furniture and while it's pretty dilapidated, I kind of think that part's cool.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's 10 bedrooms, two baths, 5,500 square feet. And it was built in 1870 and once was the home to an esteemed member of the society. His name was Dr. Turner and I found an article about Dr. Turner from February 10th, 1905. And it's such a sad article because Dr. Turner's cattle got tuberculosis.

• 31:03Corinne Vien?

  I didn't even realize that animals-

• 31:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Had to be slaughtered.

• 31:06Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 31:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so sad.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 31:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I did not realize animals were afflicted by TB as well.

• 31:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there was a whole article about it and it was like, everyone send your best wishes to Dr. Turner.

• 31:19Corinne Vien?

  Aww.

• 31:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  10 bedrooms, like, I know I'm not supposed to be buying them, but this is the one I want, for sure.

• 31:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  Cause like also imagine like going through each book and you know, he hid like weird notes and shit in the books.

• 31:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, for sure.

• 31:33Corinne Vien?

  And then you probably have ghost cows roaming your property. I'm kind of into that.

• 31:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You love cows.

• 31:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like that's the haunting I want. Ghost cows.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so I'll show you the three again. So this is the Enslynn Mansion, the Alameda, California, or the Turner House.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  I mean, it has to be the Turner House. I wanted to like not pick the most obviously haunted one. You know what I mean? Where it's like-

• 31:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  Just because it's old and creepy doesn't mean it'll be haunted. So I'm gonna guess I'm wrong, but-

• 32:04Corinne Vien?

  No, I'm with you. I was thinking number three as well, especially because it was in Maine, right? It's the Maine one.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 32:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And then number two just felt like they were trying so hard to be paranormal.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  And also like leaving all this, the stuff that's still in there, like the ghost is going to get pissed at you for like getting rid of its stuff.

• 32:21Corinne Vien?

  That's true.

• 32:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:22Corinne Vien?

  And here's the thing, I feel like we're wrong because of the way you're looking-

• 32:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You are wrong.

• 32:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But here's the thing is like, I'm pretty sure like by looking at these houses and the history of these houses, they all have potential to be haunted.

• 32:34Corinne Vien?

  That's true.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  Right. I think we're not wrong. We're just not as right.

• 32:37Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. Whatever.

• 32:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Because only one of them is known to be haunted.

• 32:42Corinne Vien?

  Okay, okay.

• 32:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it is.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 32:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Ensign Mansion.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  So they're going for it.

• 32:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, yeah. I'm going to give you a little bit more of the history of the ghosts of this one.

• 32:54Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 32:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it used to be listed for $444,444.

• 33:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, they were trying to bring some good energy in.

• 33:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And this is like not scary haunted. I don't know why they decided to change the price because it's also been listed like since May of 2023. And they upped the price $226,000.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's not how, that's not how real estate works.

• 33:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, right.

• 33:18Corinne Vien?

  But perhaps just to get some attention, you know?

• 33:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but so this house is haunted, but actually has a really cool, beautiful history. It dates back six generations of one family. This woman who listed it, Michelle Bell, her great grandfather came over from Bavaria, Germany, and built the home in 1890. And then he passed the house down generation after generation. Michelle's grandfather ran a speakeasy in the house during the 1920s.

• 33:45Corinne Vien?

  That's cool.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  Ooh, cool ghosts.

• 33:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  An infamous gangster named Jack Legs Diamond used to frequent the house. So it's believed his spirit haunts the home. Sadly, a woman named Shirley, who was renting a room in the house, fell down the basement stairs and passed away. And Michelle believes that nine different spirits haunt the house. Three men are in the basement. She believes her grandfather and her son and Shirley also haunt the house.

• 34:11Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 34:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she basically like her mom, I guess, passed away in the home as well. And she felt very much like the house has lived its life within her family for long enough. And so now she's trying to sell it. And it's listed as an Airbnb, I think, while they're trying to sell it.

• 34:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh, so you can take a spin if you're a potential buyer and see like if you vibe with the ghosts here.

• 34:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or we could all go and do a paranormal investigation.

• 34:37Speaker 04

  Let's do it. I'll meet you guys there. Doesn't nine ghosts seem like too many? Like, I'll take one ghost, but I feel like you'll be up all freaking night if you get nine ghosts. Well, and also, do they all get along? Like, can they all interact with each other? Do they all have their own shtick? And it's like, oh, there's a...

• 34:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like the show Ghosts.

• 34:54Corinne Vien?

  It is, yeah. They're all...

• 34:55Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, I love that show.

• 34:56Corinne Vien?

  Different timelines.

• 34:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, the basement ghosts stay in the basement.

• 34:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 34:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. I mean, someone who stayed there, I guess, was sleeping in or was in one of the bedrooms and saw on the bed, like, an indentation form and almost looked like someone sat down and then went to lay on the bed. I would not want to sleep there.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Do you guys do the thing that I do? Like, where I'm like, first, can you make sure that there isn't a gas leak? Because, like Mary Roach said and spooked, like, a lot of times, it's just that your brain is being kind of swirled by the fact that there's like a carbon monoxide leak. Or, like, your inner ear is being fucked with somehow, which changes senses or fucks with your senses so much.

• 35:44Corinne Vien?

  Right. We do try to debunk a lot of stuff. Like, the house that I grew up in in Vermont was very haunted. My parents built it. But every time something happened, we would all just pause and immediately try to recreate what happened. We're like, get everyone stop, like, move back to what you were just doing. Like, let's see if we can throw that shadow. Let's see if whatever we stepped on, like, makes that noise. Let's see if this thing falls. And we pretty much almost never could.

• 36:08Speaker 04

  How fun.

• 36:09Corinne Vien?

  But it also depends on what you're experiencing, because it's like one thing if a picture frame falls and you're like, okay, well, like, maybe something happened.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  That's not carbon monoxide poisoning.

• 36:18Corinne Vien?

  But it's, yeah, it's another thing if you're like watching a black mist, like, move down your hallway and into your room.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  Like, I always kind of wonder, like, get your shit checked, get a professional in there to make sure you're not being slowly poisoned and, like, seeing things because...

• 36:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  You're not getting enough oxygen to your brain. So I wonder like, how many, how many hauntings can be blamed on that?

• 36:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. So like the house that Payne and I moved into, the previous owner told us that the like faucet downstairs like just goes off all like randomly all the time. And they had a ton of plumbers and professionals come look at it. And they're like, there's nothing wrong with it. And it kind of happens when you're having a conversation and it's almost like the ghost is contributing.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 37:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 37:05Corinne Vien?

  They're just here for a good time.

• 37:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:07Corinne Vien?

  It's never spooky.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  They're like, me too. Someone talk to me. Someone talk to me, please. I like the idea of ghost pets too, though. Like I'll take a ghost cat.

• 37:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I love that.

• 37:17Corinne Vien?

  So in my house in Vermont, we ourselves, like my, my family had a, a dog named Wrinkles. And he was this like black dog, a mutt, looked kind of funky. But then there was this other black lab that everyone saw, except for anyone in my family. My mom finally saw the dog like years and years later. But so many people who came into our house would talk about the black lab. And one person who had these kind of like psychic abilities that we didn't know until they disclosed it to us. It was one of like my mom's friend's girlfriend. The dog walked by her and kissed her, like licked her leg, the ghost dog.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Ghost dog.

• 37:52Corinne Vien?

  That's what sometimes it's really nice. I know. They can be really nice.

• 37:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause Corinna's also had some terrifying hauntings.

• 37:59Corinne Vien?

  I did. It was a very spooky house.

• 38:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 04

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• 38:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 38:24Speaker 04

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• 38:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 38:44Corinne Vien?

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• 38:53Speaker 04

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• 38:58Corinne Vien?

  Toss, toss.

• 38:59Speaker 04

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• 39:13Corinne Vien?

  I have some spooky apparel to present to you. Because we know you love your clothes.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I'm a vintage clothing girlie and like, I don't get stuff tailored, because I'm lazy, but also like, that sounds like a lot of work. And, but also I love the idea of like, this, whoever owned this in the 50s was the exact same size as me, give or take, like a padded bra.

• 39:32Corinne Vien?

  That is actually really beautiful.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love that.

• 39:35Corinne Vien?

  It makes me wonder about, I don't know if you believe in past lives and reincarnation, but it does make me wonder if you have some past life connection to that era, or to like, maybe like, one of the people of the dresses that you own?

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Definitely. I love that idea. I do. And like, I definitely, when I was a little kid, like, got along really well with like, grandparents and like, older people and just kind of was interested in that. And I wonder if there's like, past lives is another thing. I'm like, sure, why the fuck not?

• 40:03Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  So, yeah.

• 40:05Corinne Vien?

  How spooky would it be if you realized everything that you've collected belonged to one specific person?

• 40:10Speaker 04

  Well, she had a problem with shopping.

• 40:15Corinne Vien?

  It was you in a past life.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  And her style was real weird, like, from grandma to like, weird haunted child.

• 40:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. She's eclectic. It's a great combo.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  She's very eclectic.

• 40:28Corinne Vien?

  Okay, we're gonna start with a vintage amethyst poison ring. Ooh, or pillbox ring. It's currently up for sale on eBay. All three items that I'm gonna present are from eBay. So a poison ring, it contains a hidden container underneath a bezel, which became popular in Western Europe during the Middle Ages to hold poison. It made it easy for people to slip poison into other people's, like, food or drinks, or sometimes collected poison or like, kept poison. Isn't on them to use on themselves should they be in a various

• 40:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want this.

• 41:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's very, it's creepy. One problem with the poison ring is in order to have an actual lethal dose of poison, that doesn't really fit in the amount of space that they have underneath the ring. So while it's called the poison ring, most people actually used it for other reasons.

• 41:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:17Corinne Vien?

  So they would, they would have different essentials in there. They would keep little keepsakes, some perfume, portraits of loved ones, locks of hair, even teeth, bones of the dead.

• 41:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like ashes would go in there.

• 41:31Corinne Vien?

  Cocaine, you know?

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Absolute cocaine. It's a total cocaine ring.

• 41:34Corinne Vien?

  It's a total cocaine ring. People use this for various reasons and now there's plenty of them online that people can shop. This one was handmade in Mexico. It is made of sterling silver. It has an amethyst stone on it. And I'm sure a haunted history. So could this be the haunted item? This is number one.

• 41:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 41:56Corinne Vien?

  Number two, we're gonna go to a 1908 Edwardian evening gown. And this gown is beautiful, though I do not think it would fit me.

• 42:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Oh, wow. That's the Gilded Age, straight up.

• 42:10Corinne Vien?

  This person was petite.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  These things don't like survive either.

• 42:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  You know, that's gorgeous.

• 42:18Corinne Vien?

  You're reminding me, George, like you just talking about that reminded me of when we were in New York.

• 42:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was literally about to say this.

• 42:23Corinne Vien?

  Okay, we went into a vintage shop in New York City, like maybe five years ago. And we were just chatting with the guy who owns it. And he was like, do you want to come upstairs? And we were like, is this where we get murdered? But we followed him. And upstairs was an entire shop. It's like, not really a shop. You have to have like special permission to go there. But it's filled with authentic, like vintage items that people rent out for photo shoots or for like television and movies.

• 42:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So we weren't allowed to touch a single thing.

• 42:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We couldn't touch anything.

• 42:54Corinne Vien?

  No, everything was so delicate, like barely kept together, but it was incredible.

• 42:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was so cool.

• 43:00Corinne Vien?

  It was so cool.

• 43:00Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 43:01Corinne Vien?

  This is something that would have been there.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, take me there. Yeah.

• 43:05Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so this is a 1908 Lafayette evening gown. It was owned by Melée Marjorie. And this was her prized possession. And owning anything like this at the time and from this highly coveted Parisian designer, it was sure to make you stand out against the crowd. And so how lucky was Melée that she got to wear this?

• 43:24Speaker 04

  I like that name.

• 43:25Corinne Vien?

  She certainly did. Melée.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's beautiful.

• 43:27Corinne Vien?

  I was like searching the pronounce names.com.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, my God.

• 43:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hear you.

• 43:33Corinne Vien?

  I'm sure I'm still saying it wrong.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  She's gonna come back and haunt you for that.

• 43:37Corinne Vien?

  I know. While this dress was usually just seen in magazines, Melée got to purchase and wear this dress. It's hand embroidered. It has sequins all over it, glass pins, rhinestones. There are two large birds, which on the very right hand photo, you can see kind of like a depiction of a bird breathing fire against this turquoise material.

• 44:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's very Hunger Games.

• 44:01Corinne Vien?

  It is. It's interesting because there's like a fire breathing bird, but then there's also a lot of little like gently embroidered flowers, just like dusting the rest of the gown.

• 44:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:12Corinne Vien?

  So the dress is a stunner and clearly a very important dress to have. So could Melée still be attached to this dress?

• 44:20Speaker 04

  Or the person who made it, like the unmissing woman who crafted it so beautifully.

• 44:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this makes me think of like my grandma and great grandmother, like made all of their own dresses and clothes. And my mom has a couple of them. And they're tailored so specifically to their bodies and like so that they don't fit me. But like, I love them so much. And I just think it's so cool and like a lost art for people to make their own clothes.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  Absolutely. I wish I could use a sewing machine and like, yeah.

• 44:49Corinne Vien?

  But like, if you befriend a designer, like I know, obviously Stevie Nicks lives a very different life than the rest of us. But Stevie Nicks has all of her clothes specifically made for her.

• 45:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is really cool.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  It's so disappointing too, because you can buy the like vintage patterns, like sewing patterns. My sister does this and like she knows, somehow she got taught how to use a sewing machine and I didn't. I'm really mad about it. But she like will make her own little like shifts and like vintage clothes.

• 45:17Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 45:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:19Corinne Vien?

  Does she ever make anything for you?

• 45:20Speaker 04

  Absolutely not.

• 45:22Corinne Vien?

  Because she's a sister.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  She's my big sister. She doesn't do it.

• 45:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, she's a sister. Why would she?

• 45:25Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 45:27Corinne Vien?

  Okay, our last option. So we've had, we've had the poison ring. We just had the Edwardian evening gown. And now we have an 1880s mourning cape.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 45:37Corinne Vien?

  This is a mourning cape from the Victorian era, having belonged to a little girl named Maria. Maria was a young child during this time in the 1880s, and she was very eager to explore the world around her. She was a little kid. She was excited to go out and play. She had lost her mom when she was a young child. And so one of the items that belonged to her mom that she liked playing with and wearing was this cape. She was wearing this cape when she went out to climb a tree one day, and she fell from the tree, and she passed away wearing this cape.

• 46:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is so tragic.

• 46:10Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 46:10Speaker 04

  I mean, obviously, this is the most haunted thing.

• 46:12Corinne Vien?

  I know. Like, absolutely.

• 46:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's death upon death.

• 46:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and it's like, there's a picture of her, like, a lock of her hair.

• 46:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  You're not fooling me after the house thing? Like, it's the most obvious one. I know that.

• 46:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, this one has such a, like, a clear story and history.

• 46:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay, obviously, this is the haunted.

• 46:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 46:34Corinne Vien?

  I'll tell you a little bit more. This, the story goes a little bit more in depth, and it's pretty tragic. So basically, like, she fell from this highest branch of the tree and fell down, but she didn't pass away right away. I pray to God that this story is, like, not real, and that this is just some, like, made up thing that some psychic told this person who's selling it on eBay. But apparently, she laid on the ground for hours until she passed away. Her dad was inside, not too far away, but her dad had suffered from a heart attack that very same day. So he was dead inside the house when

• 47:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Holy shit.

• 47:08Corinne Vien?

  she fell and was injured.

• 47:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, like, everyone died at the same time?

• 47:11Corinne Vien?

  Basically, yeah. Everyone died at the same time.

• 47:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is also kind of beautiful, in like, a really grotesque, morbid way.

• 47:18Speaker 04

  It's very Victorian, for sure.

• 47:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 47:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 47:21Corinne Vien?

  So some believe that Maria haunts this mourning cape.

• 47:27Corinne Vien?

  They say that she is very curious still and she will reach out and touch you. So people who've like owned this capable report feeling somebody touched them. Objects will move around them and they'll hear a little girl speaking. She loves to see people's reactions to her, so she is very active.

• 47:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love her.

• 47:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do too.

• 47:47Corinne Vien?

  And originally this was purchased from a collector who claimed that she heard Maria say a blood curdling, "Help!" in her ear.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 47:56Corinne Vien?

  And also would scream throughout the house.

• 47:59Speaker 04

  That's unpleasant.

• 48:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. The touching and like her liking seeing people's reaction is enjoyable. But the screaming would be hard to live with.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  We're gonna go no screams.

• 48:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 48:13Corinne Vien?

  It's also sad because it's like she being forced to relive this moment of falling and dying.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:20Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 48:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Would you buy this, Georgia?

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Absolutely fucking not. Absolutely not. No way. No, no, no. In a million years, no.

• 48:29Corinne Vien?

  I think it's, it's $300.

• 48:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not terrible for a haunting.

• 48:33Speaker 04

  You're paying to be terrified.

• 48:34Corinne Vien?

  You could buy the ring. I think the ring is like 60 bucks.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  I'll take the ring.

• 48:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually would buy the ring.

• 48:39Corinne Vien?

  The, the dress is a few grand, so.

• 48:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. And where are you gonna wear that? Seriously, like?

• 48:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Around your house.

• 48:46Speaker 04

  Around your house.

• 48:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Corinne Vien?

  Recording the podcast?

• 48:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, you'll be, you'll be haunting your own house in this.

• 48:52Corinne Vien?

  You can haunt the new MFM studios. They're exactly right.

• 48:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 48:56Speaker 04

  It needs it.

• 48:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would love to be a, not right now, but like I want to be a ghost and like I want to be that type of ghost.

• 49:04Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  The screaming one or the pretty dress one?

• 49:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I want to scream and be in a pretty dress.

• 49:10Corinne Vien?

  Why not post?

• 49:11Speaker 04

  I mean, you can do that now if you want to.

• 49:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true.

• 49:14Corinne Vien?

  I'm picturing you as like being this really like sultry, beautiful image of a woman in this dress that appears to people. And then you just kind of like slink up to them. And when you get this close to you, "Ah!" Like that is scary. That's something you would do.

• 49:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a goal in my afterlife to scare people.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's good.

• 49:31Corinne Vien?

  How would you spend your afterlife, Georgia? If you had like five years that they were like, you can be a ghost. For these five years, what would you do?

• 49:38Speaker 04

  And I have to like stay on the planet?

• 49:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  And like, okay, that's a good question. Um, I would like to be in an old, beautiful Victorian, but I want there to be a lot of cats. I just want like, I want to like, join forces with the cats to scare the shit out of whoever lives there. Just for fun. And then maybe there's like a one little kid who's like really cool and like, we can be buddies.

• 49:59Corinne Vien?

  I love that.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  You know, and like, I can kind of use them to like scare their parents and be like, Georgia says that, you know, something terrifying.

• 50:10Corinne Vien?

  I didn't eat those cookies, Georgia did. And they're like, sure.

• 50:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Oh, being like the spooky imaginary friend, that is, that's a goal. That is, that's fun. Yeah. All right. Adding that to my goal for the afterlife.

• 50:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Your list of all the things that you want to do when you die.

• 50:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I also would like to like be a demon for a minute.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I bet that'd be interesting.

• 50:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Be kind of fun.

• 50:32Speaker 04

  I love that idea where it's like, because I fucking hate the list of like, five places you have to go before you die. And it's like, why do I have to die? In these stories, why can't it's like five places you have to go?

• 50:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  I hate that it's always like, before you're dead. But it's like, five places you have to go when you die.

• 50:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Corinne Vien?

  Here's your afterlife bucket list.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  It's like less aggressive.

• 50:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll moonlight as a demon. Georgia will moonlight as an imaginary friend.

• 50:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 50:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What are you gonna do, Corinne?

• 50:57Corinne Vien?

  Probably eat anything I fucking want to.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  Oh, you could live in a bakery and like haunt a bakery.

• 51:04Corinne Vien?

  And I can't fricking have gluten, so I definitely would go hard. I would, and, and I'd be so fit, I would fit in those Victorian and Edwardian era dresses while I do it.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  There's no such thing as calories when you're dead.

• 51:17Corinne Vien?

  I'm invisible, so I can, I can wear whatever I want. I can eat whatever I want.

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• 51:52Corinne Vien?

  That's what I would do.

• 51:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, this reminds me of a listener sent us like an email that was like, I used to feed my dead grandma cheese. And she like, used to be found at the top of her stairs with like slices of cheese. And her family would be like, what are you doing? And she's like, I'm giving grandma cheese.

• 52:07Corinne Vien?

  But the cheese would disappear. And the grandma was known to love this cheese when she was alive.

• 52:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 52:12Corinne Vien?

  So she was still munching on cheese in the afterlife.

• 52:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 52:15Corinne Vien?

  She was her grandma's supplier, her cheese supplier.

• 52:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is a great transition. And Georgia, you mentioned loving grandparents. So our next category is-

• 52:25Corinne Vien?

  Is grandparents.

• 52:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which haunted grandparent do you want?

• 52:29Corinne Vien?

  Show me some photos. Wait, seriously?

• 52:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, they're-

• 52:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, it is grandpa. They're haunted objects, and this is grandpa. Okay. It's so funny, I literally wrote, I go, I don't know why, Georgia, but it seems like you are someone who really wants to own a grandpa doll. And I think I nailed it.

• 52:48Corinne Vien?

  I never had a grandpa, I never met a grandpa. So this is like my, me now being like-

• 52:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This could be your grandpa.

• 52:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. So you can now own this grandpa. The bidding is starting at $9. He's pre-owned, but handmade in the United States. He's like dollhouse size. He's six inches. He's made of composition with sculpted hands and has the original ladder back chair that he was made with. His head separates from his body in case you want to just have his head.

• 53:18Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 53:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He has gray hair, round glasses, and is dressed, as you see, in a blue suit with a line jacket, a vest, and there's tiny little bead buttons.

• 53:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, he's got Death of a Salesman vibes.

• 53:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Totally.

• 53:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 53:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:33Corinne Vien?

  He also kind of looks like Toby from The Office. Oh, my God, totally.

• 53:39Corinne Vien?

  Like a voodoo doll that someone made of Toby.

• 53:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The seller also has 100% positive feedback and has sold 23,000 items.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  And they're saying this is definitely haunted.

• 53:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that's the question. Is he?

• 53:53Speaker 04

  Oh, do we get, okay.

• 53:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because we're going to give three options. Okay.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  Okay, good, good, good, okay.

• 53:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The next option is prosthetic human eyes.

• 54:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my god.

• 54:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Price anywhere from $35 to $115, you could be the proud owner of prosthetic human eyes, not to be used as actual human prosthetic eyes, of course. These are listed-

• 54:14Corinne Vien?

  But they were previously used?

• 54:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unclear.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:17Corinne Vien?

  How do you even clean these? Do you clean them like dentures? You just stick them in one of those like-

• 54:20Speaker 04

  You just suck on it and spit it out.

• 54:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm imagining the scene from like Toy Story 2 where that guy is cleaning the Woody doll to be a part of the collection.

• 54:32Corinne Vien?

  I do not recall that scene at all.

• 54:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Payne and I just rewatched like every single Toy Story.

• 54:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this is a perfect addition to your vintage medical collection, if you have one. And ocular prosthetics date back to as early as 2900 B.C. And while they're often referred to as glass eyes, these ones are, and most of them are made of medical-grade plastic. These prosthetic eyes have a five-star review.

• 54:59Corinne Vien?

  For what? For what purpose? I see better with these eyes in me.

• 55:05Speaker 04

  I just keep swallowing them and I can see into the future.

• 55:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Georgia, stop putting those prosthetic eyes in your mouth.

• 55:11Corinne Vien?

  I don't know why I'm obsessed with them.

• 55:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They kind of look like, do you remember those plastic toys that you flip inside out and then they pop? The poppers?

• 55:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, the poppers.

• 55:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They kind of look like that.

• 55:22Corinne Vien?

  They do.

• 55:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 55:23Corinne Vien?

  But there is something like about a smooth and kind of rounded shape that you do kind of want to put it in your mouth.

• 55:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 55:30Corinne Vien?

  Okay, see, I'm not crazy. I want to suck on this.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Right. Looks like candy.

• 55:35Corinne Vien?

  It does.

• 55:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, the third option is this goddess box with really poor quality photos, but I didn't take them. So despite the poor quality of these photos, it is a beautiful antique box with a Greckan-style portrait of the side profile of a woman. The bidding starts at $70, or you can buy now for $120. The seller is offering to throw in two surprise antiques with the purchase.

• 56:00Speaker 04

  Ooh, that's fun. What's a goddess box? Is that a thing I don't know about?

• 56:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I really couldn't find much about it. I think it's just like supposed to be a portrait of a goddess on top of it.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  Ah, got it, got it, got it. Goddess, goddess, goddess.

• 56:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Goddess, goddess, goddess. This seller also has a 100% positive feedback and has sold 57 items online.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  Hmm. It's gotta be the grandpa, right?

• 56:22Corinne Vien?

  Okay, you say grandpa. I'm gonna vote goddess box. And the reason is because of the poor quality photos, because sometimes I feel like when people are trying to offload haunted objects that they're kind of scared of, the listing is made in haste.

• 56:35Speaker 04

  Ooh, okay. That's a good point. Yeah, they're not like spending a lot of quality time with the item.

• 56:40Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 56:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or the ghosts won't sit still to take a clear photo.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  Right. It can't be captured. Okay, I'm gonna go old man.

• 56:48Corinne Vien?

  You're going grandpa. I'll go goddess.

• 56:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The correct answer is the goddess.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  Ah, yeah.

• 56:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And do you want to know what the-

• 56:54Speaker 04

  It's the obvious one. How do I keep trying to be interesting?

• 56:58Corinne Vien?

  Sabrina tricked us with the, well, we tricked ourselves with the first one. We thought it wouldn't be obvious.

• 57:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I purposely tried to trick you both. Can you guess what the two surprise antiques are that come with this?

• 57:10Speaker 04

  Sadness and-

• 57:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like the typical haunted thing.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  Longing.

• 57:13Corinne Vien?

  So a doll?

• 57:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two haunted dolls.

• 57:15Corinne Vien?

  Oh, two haunted dolls.

• 57:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And, okay, this is the listing, and I actually love the listing so much. I'll let you react. Okay. "This is a very powerful antique box inhabited by a strong female spirit who had much success with others. Since acquiring this item, people perceived me as more attractive, and it was easier for me to attain what I wanted, mainly in relationships. This being said, my finances improved as well, as well as my overall luck. If you have any questions, please message me. I will send two antique haunted dolls that are positive and protective. I will also send offerings inside the box and instructions." I am not responsible for any actions you or anyone near the object decides to take,

• 58:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  or anything that occurs to whoever purchases this object or anyone near it.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  That's gonna be a hell no for me.

• 58:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I'm a little hesitant too, because it's like, oh, well, like, my luck improved, but I don't want this object anymore. You take it, and I'm not responsible for what happens to you. It's like, okay.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  This thing made my life so much better. Get it out of here.

• 58:22Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  Please.

• 58:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It also feels like it's written by the ghost, who like, wants to go haunt someone else, who like, killed their owner and now needs a new vessel.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  I am really, really good luck. Listen, it's gonna go great.

• 58:34Corinne Vien?

  That's why the photos are like that. They've never taken a selfie before. It's challenging.

• 58:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I definitely would not buy that one.

• 58:42Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, no. Definitely not. I don't trust that listing at all.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  No. No, I wouldn't do it.

• 58:47Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so out of the three haunted objects, which ones would we all opt to purchase?

• 58:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The house.

• 58:52Corinne Vien?

  The morning cape.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  The house, for sure.

• 58:54Corinne Vien?

  The house.

• 58:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You get the most bang for your buck with the house.

• 58:57Corinne Vien?

  I guess that's true, yeah. You can Airbnb it. You never have to experience the hauntings yourself. You can just monetize it.

• 59:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  That's what I was gonna say. The internet loves a frickin', like, remodel, right? You just immediately get that influencer money.

• 59:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. And then we'll be able to afford that really pretty dress that we'll never wear.

• 59:15Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 59:17Corinne Vien?

  Perfect. I liked this game.

• 59:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This was fun.

• 59:19Corinne Vien?

  I wanna keep playing, but we don't have anything else.

• 59:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. It was really fun to just like, look on Craigslist and eBay and the amount of haunted items on there.

• 59:28Corinne Vien?

  They're mostly dolls. It was actually kinda challenging to find something that wasn't a doll.

• 59:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like dolls and clowns are just like, always gonna be terrifying.

• 59:36Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 59:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you own any vintage dolls or anything?

• 59:39Speaker 04

  I have like a cupie, like a vintage porcelain, like, little baby cupie doll. And actually, I got two at an estate sale. They're like, undressed, but they're like, these really pretty, like, antique porcelain.

• 59:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  Like, cool dolls that are like, they're like, roped together, so their limbs are kinda floppy. But my cat knocked one, one of them, off of the... Shelf as cats do.

• 1:00:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  So that shattered.

• 1:00:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  And I kept it in this little tray because it looks really fricking cool as like this shattered.

• 1:00:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 1:00:11Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  Haunted antique doll.

• 1:00:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Will you send us a picture?

• 1:00:14Corinne Vien?

  I really want to see this.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  I'll take a photo of it and send it to you guys.

• 1:00:18Corinne Vien?

  OK, perfect.

• 1:00:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If we were to ever like, say, hey, we have this haunted object that's we've experienced like really positive things. Do you want it, Georgia? Would you take it?

• 1:00:28Speaker 04

  Um, probably not.

• 1:00:30Corinne Vien?

  Sabrina has an object that is supposedly haunted by a ghost cat.

• 1:00:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  Oh, OK. I have my cat's ashes here, too.

• 1:00:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's sweet.

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  I'm ready for it.

• 1:00:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  I don't know. I just feel like the energy for one person could be different for another.

• 1:00:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true.

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  And then having the expectation of that being haunted to me is just like inviting something.

• 1:00:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  And that might not go as you plan.

• 1:00:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:00:56Speaker 04

  But I'll buy stuff that like could be haunted at a like at an estate sale, but I don't think I'd be like, yes, give that to me now.

• 1:01:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Yeah, you're not actively seeking a haunted object in your home.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Right. It feels like special.

• 1:01:07Corinne Vien?

  If it calls to you.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Corinne Vien?

  Then you'll adopt it.

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:01:11Corinne Vien?

  Well, you're braver than me for even having a porcelain doll because I feel like that is haunted or not. I feel like, yes, they can be beautiful, but I'm also too scared. Like, I'd rather collect clowns than porcelain dolls.

• 1:01:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're sick.

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  I do love a velvet clown painting. I would I'd take that.

• 1:01:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh, aren't all of the John Wayne, didn't he paint a lot of clown?

• 1:01:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:01:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Porters.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  But I heard that a lot of them, he paid people he was in prison with to paint them so he could just keep making money off of them.

• 1:01:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, wow. An entrepreneur and a mass murderer.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  I would never.

• 1:01:51Corinne Vien?

  No, we kind of felt that. I think, wasn't there one in, we went to the Zach Baggins Museum in Vegas? And there were a lot of, there was a lot of like art and items owned by these like mass murderers and serial killers.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Corinne Vien?

  That were on display and it felt very icky.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  It feels bad. You know, someone tried to give us once at a live show, like a little doll made in prison, made out of the hair of one of the Manson girls.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  And, you know,

• 1:02:20Corinne Vien?

  What'd you do with it?

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  I thought like, fucking left it. Like, I think that's like, kind of, that experience was so like, this, see, you don't understand what we're into when we're into true crime.

• 1:02:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  It's like a different, it's a different genre. The people who want to own the things that killers made

• 1:02:38Corinne Vien?

  That's

• 1:02:38Speaker 04

  are not the people that we're talking to.

• 1:02:40Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:02:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Speaker 04

  She meant well, but it was like,

• 1:02:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't want this.

• 1:02:47Corinne Vien?

  It's, I feel like there's a point where, like, there is sometimes a benefit to just taking those things and then maybe doing some sort of like, maybe this is the witchiness coming through me, like some sort of ritual to try to like, because part of me also thinks, I have this belief that sometimes when people pass on, there's pieces of their soul that can like chip off and be fragmented in different places. And so I feel like sometimes when these things just exist and are exploited, there's a need to kind of let that item retire permanently so that the person can feel a little bit more whole, or their soul can, and they can move forward.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Corinne Vien?

  That is very witchy.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  And they don't have to be ghosts.

• 1:03:27Corinne Vien?

  Whenever I sell this house in the future, people are gonna do a renovation in the back. They're gonna be like, let's put in a pool. And they're gonna be like, what are all these weird ass trinkets that are buried all over the yard?

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  Well, there are a lot of green rooms at a lot of theaters throughout the country and Australia, the UK, that have weird shit that we left behind.

• 1:03:46Corinne Vien?

  We left stuff in like hotel rooms.

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, totally. That I'm sure the like cleaners are like, what the fuck is this?

• 1:03:52Corinne Vien?

  There was like a boo doll that someone gave us and like holy water and champagne that we left in one hotel room.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 1:03:59Corinne Vien?

  Like, we tried to pack as much as we could into our suitcase, but we also

• 1:04:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:03Corinne Vien?

  planned our tour poorly because we didn't know what we were doing. And so we went to like 32 shows, basically back to back. So like, we didn't really have much space.

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Corinne Vien?

  And some items we like kept with us for a while and then ended up being like, okay, we gotta let, let go of this.

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  But, oh yeah.

• 1:04:17Corinne Vien?

  We got some bones. I think we're more likely to get bones and stuff.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Corinne Vien?

  This is some, a listener did give us this doll.

• 1:04:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's terrifying. We had a similar doll that had a happy face on one side and a sad face on the other.

• 1:04:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  It was the most terrifying. And it was like from the 70s. So it's just like absolutely terrifying.

• 1:04:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That reminds me, I had a doll that was like a Beauty and the Beast doll and it was his head flipped and on one side he was the beast, on the other side he was the prince.

• 1:04:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  Terrifying.

• 1:04:45Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I kind of like that.

• 1:04:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's creepy.

• 1:04:47Corinne Vien?

  It's like whatever you're into in that moment, you know, because he's supposed to be your like romantic, the ideal.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  Who do you feel like dealing with at that moment? I think we gave that doll, we were like, this is definitely haunted. And then we were sending merch to someone and we were like, we're gonna just put it in someone's merch box one day. And so there, I think there's someone out there who we just like jammed it in with some sweaters and stuff.

• 1:05:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's actually amazing.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  That's.

• 1:05:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the golden ticket, the my favorite murder golden ticket.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  If it ever shows up at our, at our offices again, like I'm, I quit.

• 1:05:16Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. Sisterhood of the traveling doll. Just keep passing it on.

• 1:05:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:05:21Corinne Vien?

  So creepy.

• 1:05:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this was so fun and we're so grateful that we were able to talk with you, Georgia. I mean, I told you this when I met you, but like, Corinne and I were truly so inspired by you and Karen to start our own podcast. And like, this is just, I mean, it's such an honor to be able to talk to you and have you on our show.

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  Thank you. That's so nice of you guys. I love what you're doing. This is so much fun. And like, I really enjoyed speaking with you guys.

• 1:05:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And we promise not to send you any haunted things.

• 1:05:46Corinne Vien?

  No, you won't get any teeth in the mail from us.

• 1:05:49Speaker 04

  We'll promise you that. I'll send you a photo of the smashed doll.

• 1:05:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, please do.

• 1:05:53Corinne Vien?

  It sounds really beautiful. And I feel like you're almost preventing a haunting by still keeping the broken pieces and honoring the doll.

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  Right. They're like together still.

• 1:06:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, they're still together. So you're doing everything right.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:05Corinne Vien?

  I'm sure I'm so are.

• 1:06:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're a witch too. Intuitive witch.

• 1:06:09Corinne Vien?

  Naturally a witch.

• 1:06:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, definitely. Amazing. Thank you guys so much.

• 1:06:12Corinne Vien?

  Thank you.

• 1:06:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Have a good one.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  You too.

• 1:06:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bye.

• 1:06:15Corinne Vien?

  Bye.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Bye.