Jocko Underground: A 7 Year-Old Kid Killed by 27 Body Slams. Over-Stepping Mothers. Are You Leading By Example? Getting After it?

7 Year-Old killed by body slams. Dealing with a mother who micromanages how you run your family. Leading by example VS Making your team learn through a book. Fighting complacency. Can you Get After It it too much? Motivation for the will to fight a terminal disease. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 24, with Echo Charles.

• 0:06Jocko Willink?

  And me, Jocko.

• 0:08Jocko Willink?

  I'm gonna read something. It's kind of disturbing, in a way.

• 0:14Jocko Willink?

  "A seven-year-old boy in Taiwan, who was allegedly body slammed 27 times during judo practice by both his classmates and coach, suffered a brain hemorrhage and was ultimately removed from life support," a report said Tuesday. "The BBC citing the Taipei Times reported that the coach has been charged with assault and using a minor to commit a crime, but his charges would likely be upgraded to include or be replaced by injury-causing death. The boy reportedly attended a judo practice in April and suffered a brain hemorrhage. After the repeated injuries, he slipped into a coma and was on life support for 70 days."

• 0:51Jocko Willink?

  "I still remember that morning when I took him to school, the unidentified boy's mother previously told local outlets. He turned around and said, 'Mama, goodbye.'" By night, he'd become like this.

• 1:04Jocko Willink?

  "The young victim's uncle reportedly videotaped the allegedly violent class. Footage of the incident purportedly shows the boy being thrown by older classmates acting on orders from the coach, according to the report. The coach even allegedly took a turn."

• 1:18Jocko Willink?

  "Then, when the child fell unconscious, the instructor allegedly accused him of feigning the injury," the report said. "The report identified the coach by his surname, Ho, and said investigators determined he was not a licensed instructor." Ho was ultimately released on bail, equivalent to $3,500, according to the BBC. If convicted, he reportedly faces up to life in prison. Horrible. There's another story that added a little bit more detail that had come out a little bit later. "He had only started taking judo classes two weeks prior to the horrific incident, after pleading with his parents to let him try out the martial art."

• 1:56Jocko Willink?

  "After doctors spoke to his family, they agreed to withdraw his life support." Ho was initially released by the district prosecutor following questioning, who accepted his explanation that the incident was merely part of normal training.

• 2:15Jocko Willink?

  So, there you go.

• 2:19Jocko Willink?

  By the way, I originally picked up on this story from McDojoLife, who has an Instagram channel and who breaks down a lot of these fake, or mostly it's fake martial arts, but he has definitely honed in on some abusive instructors. This is one of them. And, you know, look, I guess the reason to, why did I single this out? First of all, because it's awful. I mean, obviously, it's just completely ridiculous and, and when you hear about this kind of just, man, what do you call this? I don't know what the word that I would use to describe. I don't like this type of person. It's like, it's bully for sure, but then there's a next level bully.

• 3:05Jocko Willink?

  And I guess when we start talking about martial arts, when we start talking about parenting and the kids asking to go and, you know, we, you and me, obviously, Echo, we encourage people all the time to get their kids involved in martial arts and to get involved in martial arts themselves because of all the benefits that it has. And then you have a piece of scum like this that does this. So, uh, just, just pay attention. Just pay attention to who the hell you're, you're giving your kids to. And pay attention, watch some of those classes yourself. Um, and also the people that you're hanging around. Maybe it's you that's going to this class that's getting beat down.

• 3:49Jocko Willink?

  You shouldn't be getting beat down in a class. Especially as a beginner. Look, if you're in the game and you've been training for three years, you're gonna have some freaking hard classes. For sure. You're not, martial arts training is not always going to be easy. It's gonna be a push. But there's a difference between getting pushed and getting killed, obviously, or even getting injured.

• 4:14Jocko Willink?

  Uh, and then, and then listen, just for kids, the best thing you can do for kids is make things fun for them. That's the best thing you can do.

• 4:26Jocko Willink?

  The idea that you're going to expose a kid to this kind of abuse is that that somehow is going to help them is just it's patently wrong. It's kind of like, you know, with exposure therapy. If I take an overexpos- if you're scared of needles and I overexpose you to needles and it freaks you out, you go backwards. You don't get better, you get worse. If you're scared of blood and I overexpose you to blood, it doesn't get better, it gets worse. So if you expose your kids to something and you overexpose them to the point where they're uncomfortable, it doesn't make them better. Look, a little bit uncomfortable is okay. That's okay. As long as that exposure therapy isn't overwhelming.

• 5:09Jocko Willink?

  When you expose people to something where they're overwhelmed, hey, it's way the warrior kid, right? The kid scared of water, you don't throw him in the water. No, you let him look at the water, then you let him touch the water, then you let him wade in the water, then you let him go to his knees, then you dunk his, then you let him dunk his head. And at any time, if they feel uncomfortable, you let them walk away. It's okay. See, there's nothing to be afraid of. You can go forward.

• 5:34Jocko Willink?

  So it's just a heads up. Thanks to McDojo Life for throwing this out there, but maybe getting this out to more people so you're paying attention. We think we're, sometimes we think we're doing our kids a favor, right? Pushing them super hard and here they are. So evil people out there.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  You kind of, even like as an adult, you kind of run that, like when you go, because there's a huge factor of intimidation, especially for kids, like big time where, you know, they go into a judo class, we'll say, because I used to take judo when I was a kid. And you go in there and it's like, it's, the environment is pretty intimidating. So you just want to like, okay, I'll just obey. Yeah, fit in and you don't want to, for sure don't want to get in trouble. Yelled at in front of, you know, it's just intimidating, you know, so you're just going to go with the flow a lot of the time. And then that can be the case too as an adult as well. If you go into, you know, a situation like that where it's like, it's kind of intimidating, you're going to try to mind your Ps and Qs and do what they say, kind of a thing, get through it.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  And you gotta kind of be aware of like, like almost on a moral level like, hey man, are these people, are they bullying me right now? Like, is this right? And you're always like fighting with that because you don't know the tradition, you know, you don't know the tradition of the class of the school or whatever, like the history, whatever. And that can be part of the tradition sometimes and you don't want to mess with that as well. So it can be freaking hard, man. But when it comes to like your kids too, it's like, there's an element of, actually a huge element is like, you kind of trust that class with your kid.

• 7:04Jocko Willink?

  For sure.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  And it's like, shoot, if they're just slamming them like that to that degree where he's getting knocked out on the.

• 7:12Jocko Willink?

  You know, this, you hear like a, when child molesters get sent to prison, they get like raped themselves and killed and you are feeling good about that, right? This is a similar thing. Like, I want this guy to get put into prison with a bunch of...

• 7:30Jocko Willink?

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