To Find Your Confidence, Become the Little Mermaid with Halle Bailey

On this episode of IMO, Michelle and Craig hear from Halle about finding her confidence, entering motherhood, breaking out with her first solo album and her new movie, You, Me, and Tuscany. Halle shares how motherhood has been a transformative experience for her and the moments in her life that has led her to shed her tail and find footing on her own two feet. Learn more about You, Me, and Tuscany ⁠here⁠ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09kuFgvohIU. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Michelle Obama?

  You gotta sing a little bit for me.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  Oh, my goodness.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Well, if you ask, I will. I guess, hmm, where should I start? Maybe the verse. So it goes, "Sometimes the simplest words are the hardest to say. And I know we're speaking the same language, but I need someone to translate.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  Because I'm scared of losing you and losing me too. I pray all these changes don't change us. I need you."

• 0:58Michelle Obama?

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• 1:03Craig Robinson?

  Hello.

• 1:04Michelle Obama?

  Craig, I haven't seen you in a minute.

• 1:07Craig Robinson?

  I know. We've been, you've been really busy.

• 1:10Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 1:10Craig Robinson?

  But we've both been.

• 1:11Michelle Obama?

  Because the book is out, I've been touring the book. I was trying to think, why have I been so busy? But yeah, I've been, been a little busy.

• 1:18Craig Robinson?

  You've been a little busy.

• 1:20Michelle Obama?

  How are you doing? Are you taking care of your health?

• 1:22Craig Robinson?

  I am. You know, I just, I took a later flight because I had a physical yesterday, my yearly physical.

• 1:29Michelle Obama?

  Everything good?

• 1:30Craig Robinson?

  Everything is great.

• 1:31Michelle Obama?

  That's good.

• 1:32Craig Robinson?

  And you know, I thought I hurt my knee.

• 1:33Michelle Obama?

  Uh huh.

• 1:34Craig Robinson?

  And the-

• 1:34Michelle Obama?

  And you're just old.

• 1:35Craig Robinson?

  Oh, I'm just getting old. I came down the stairs wrong and I thought I blew out my knee. It was so sore. And I've been putting off going to see the doctor and I went in and, and he said, "You gotta lay down." And when he said that, I was like, oh, man, he's gonna yank this thing around and I'm gonna be in pain. But he yanked it around and everything was fine. He sent me to get an X-ray. No problem.

• 1:56Michelle Obama?

  Just old man stuff.

• 1:57Craig Robinson?

  Just old man arthritis.

• 1:59Michelle Obama?

  Are you keeping up with working out? Are you eating properly?

• 2:02Craig Robinson?

  Yes, eating properly.

• 2:05Craig Robinson?

  Working out now that it's cold back at home for me, it's a lot of indoor working out. So, but I'm doing a lot more coaching, a lot more standing. So Aaron's with me on this trip.

• 2:18Michelle Obama?

  He's our, you know, he's our number one intern. Although Aaron, you're just sitting over there. I want to see you with a pad and paper or something. Take notes. There you go. There you go. He's our number one intern.

• 2:30Craig Robinson?

  Yeah, well, you know.

• 2:31Michelle Obama?

  Can't wait for the summer. Maybe we can get him a full summer internship.

• 2:35Craig Robinson?

  I know. He's, he's, he's really, but he's a great travel companion.

• 2:40Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 2:40Craig Robinson?

  You know, we had some, some trials and tribulations and he just went with the flow. And, and now I've got a partner in crime when I'm staying at my Airbnb.

• 2:49Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, yeah. Now you can use the other room.

• 2:52Craig Robinson?

  I can use some of the other rooms.

• 2:53Michelle Obama?

  When you're in a house with eight rooms.

• 2:55Craig Robinson?

  Well, yes, yes, but we decided to get some, something closer.

• 3:00Michelle Obama?

  So you're in a city home?

• 3:01Craig Robinson?

  So we're in a city home.

• 3:02Michelle Obama?

  On a neighborhood block.

• 3:03Craig Robinson?

  It's, it's, it's sort of a neighborhood block. It's in the hills a little bit, but it's, you know, houses are right next to each other and they're not as big and very practical. So it's, it's really nice to be able to walk around the neighborhood and explore.

• 3:18Michelle Obama?

  Have you walked around? Oh, you just got here.

• 3:19Craig Robinson?

  We just got here, but in this nice weather, we are planning to walk around.

• 3:24Michelle Obama?

  Well, that's good.

• 3:25Craig Robinson?

  Yeah.

• 3:25Michelle Obama?

  Airbnb always takes care of business.

• 3:28Craig Robinson?

  I'm excited today, boy. We've got.

• 3:31Michelle Obama?

  Well, I feel like, you know, our guest today, I feel like she's, she's truly one of my children. Because we met them early on in their career, Chloe and Hallie. But I'm so excited to, to have her on. Why don't you do a proper introduction?

• 3:51Craig Robinson?

  I am because you know, she's a listener to IMO. So she's very excited to be here and I'm very excited to do a proper introduction. And Hallie is a Grammy nominated singer and rising film star, who first broke out in, as one half of the group that you talked about, Chloe and Hallie, before launching a critically acclaimed solo career with songs like Angel and Back and Forth. She stunned global audiences as Ariel in Disney's The Little Mermaid. This year, Hallie will star in Universal's romantic comedy, You, Me and Tuskety, arriving April 10th, which I am.

• 4:34Michelle Obama?

  Doing romance?

• 4:35Craig Robinson?

  Grown folks romance. Grown folks romance.

• 4:39Michelle Obama?

  I gotta hear about that. You kissing somebody?

• 4:42Craig Robinson?

  Reggae Jean Paul is in that movie.

• 4:44Michelle Obama?

  You're kissing him? Okay, we're gonna hear all about that.

• 4:48Craig Robinson?

  Let's bring out Hallie. It's time to tease her. Come on out.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Hallie.

• 4:58Craig Robinson?

  So nice to see you.

• 5:01Michelle Obama?

  Welcome to our home.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 5:05Michelle Obama?

  How's it going?

• 5:07Speaker 03

  It's going good. I'm so happy to see you again.

• 5:10Michelle Obama?

  I am so happy. Do you remember our first meeting? Because you've done so much since that. What did it feel like?

• 5:16Speaker 03

  How could I not remember that?

• 5:18Michelle Obama?

  You remember that? Coming to the White House?

• 5:20Speaker 03

  Of course. That was so much fun.

• 5:23Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  That was literally like one of our huge staple moments where we were like, we're going to the White House and we're going to be in front of Barack and Michelle and Mr. and Mrs. Obama. Like, this is a really big deal. We were so nervous. And I think the day before, we were shooting, I think it was our music video, Drop. And we were so stressed out the night before. What do we wear? What do we wear? We gotta look right. And yeah, it's so funny when we look back at those pictures, we're like, we should have worn something better than that.

• 5:59Michelle Obama?

  What did you?

• 6:01Speaker 03

  It was like, oh my gosh, it was like patterned flannel. Like, it was just a lot going on.

• 6:07Michelle Obama?

  But it wasn't an Easter roll. I mean, it was a casual event. It was a lot of young people outside on the South Lawn. So you couldn't have shown up in gowns.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, right?

• 6:17Michelle Obama?

  That wouldn't have flown.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we did our own hair and makeup. And then we forgot our earrings. We were like, the morning of, we were like, oh my God, what are we gonna do? But it was so, it was such an honor to meet you guys. And we just remember how warm you were to us. And we were like, this is so special. Like a memory we will never forget. It was a great one, yeah. Oh.

• 6:40Michelle Obama?

  And you have come a long, long way.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 6:44Michelle Obama?

  I mean, yeah, now, I want to catch up because you brought the baby.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  I did. Yes.

• 6:50Michelle Obama?

  Your, your little man. You're a mommy.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  I am.

• 6:55Michelle Obama?

  He is gorgeous.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 6:57Michelle Obama?

  How's it going? How do you feel?

• 6:59Speaker 03

  So good.

• 7:00Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  It's like so crazy because I have never loved anything like this in the world.

• 7:07Michelle Obama?

  Isn't that a thing they don't tell you?

• 7:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like, I did not know it was gonna be this intensive affection, this intense, like, deep love. And seeing him discover things for the first time, or like, hear a certain song for the first time, and watching him, like, react is like so amazing to me. Because I'm like, this is art. Seeing how he's affected by art. Yeah. At such a young age, and seeing what he gravitates towards naturally is something so special and beautiful. And it's funny because in the South, I think they say, you know, if you have a sister, and you're really close with your sister, you end up having, like, your sister's child.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  And my sister and my baby are like so similar. They look just alike, and they are both like very musically inclined. Like, I feel like he's like a little genius, like Khloe was. Like, I've seen Khloe be the whole time, and it's just, it's really cool to see.

• 8:09Michelle Obama?

  I, I was watching or reading about you talking about just being pregnant, and what, you know, just how that, the connection starts.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:22Michelle Obama?

  There as mothers. I mean, you were talking about the, how fascinating our bodies are.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:28Michelle Obama?

  And just sort of talk, talk about that a bit, because I felt the same way. I mean, I, I felt the power of what a woman's body can do.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  When you actually feel a child growing in you, and like, that connection, and, and what you have to go through to like the birth, the birth process and everything, it's like, it's, you're very close. You're like teetering life and death. Like, it's a very sacred.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  Thing that's happening that women go through to deliver a baby. And I don't know, I think I just, it was just like an epiphany. Like I was like, wow, like I just thought about all the women in my family and was like, how I got here. I'm like, I just feel more appreciative of the women around me, the women who've raised me. Um, because it's so much that they've gone through and, and it's, it's powerful. Women are just amazing creatures and beings and you guys are amazing too.

• 9:26Craig Robinson?

  Yeah.

• 9:29Craig Robinson?

  You know, I have to say.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Couldn't do it without you. Exactly.

• 9:33Craig Robinson?

  That was nice of you.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  But yeah, it was just, it was fascinating and it, it really inspired me creatively too. And it came to my art and my songwriting and I just felt, you know, different. I felt stronger and, and like I truly was a mama bear with a, with a voice that I wasn't afraid to use. Um, so yeah.

• 9:53Craig Robinson?

  You said mama bear, it made me think of this because I'm just, I'm just going off of what you said. I remember having this sort of edge to me about like, I was very leery of what was going on around him and uh, how I approach the world. Are you feeling that? Like, do you, do you feel like you're a different person because of Halo?

• 10:18Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Like I talk about how now I'm like more stronger. I use my voice more. I'm not afraid to speak up, whereas before I think I've become accustomed to, especially in this industry. You know, you're used to just smiling and being people pleasing and like, okay, sure, whatever you say. But when it came to him, I was like, no, like I have this urge to speak up uh, for him.

• 10:44Craig Robinson?

  Hmm.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  And that was something that was really different than the old me. Cause it was a bit more timid and um, yeah. So I would definitely say there's always an edge, like a new edge for sure.

• 10:58Michelle Obama?

  And, and you're learning a balance that a lot of people, a lot of women, a lot of mothers are still struggling with. How are, how are you, how are you making it all happen? What's been some of the? Best parts about it and the most challenging parts at your age, too.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think especially at my age, I'm just really trying to learn like how I can be the best version of myself. So I'm a better mom for him. The big standout this year for me is like when I'm, when I'm working, like when I'm on a film set, what it means to me to be able to bring my child with me, to be able to, you know, travel the world, allow him to see the world too. You know, I, I, I'm sure he'll remember some of it right now because he's almost two, but I have like so many pictures and basically, basically the advice that I've been getting from a lot of the women in my life is until he's in school,

• 11:55Speaker 03

  which is like two and a half, three, and do what you can to bring him everywhere with you.

• 12:00Michelle Obama?

  I completely agree.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it was so many, especially so many influential women who are in this industry, who do what I do, I've just been watching and learning and especially Ms. B. Like she is the queen at finding that work balance and how important it is that we are these, you know, maternal figures, but we're also keeping our own life, like our own gumption, our own passions, and still not forgetting that. I think that's a balance that I'm working out because I still have so much that I want to achieve. And I want to do it so that for him, we have a better life and I want to bring him with me everywhere for now until school. So I, I have a little like half a year left.

• 12:45Michelle Obama?

  I mean, I was terrified of the notion of taking my kids out of their comfortable environment and moving to the White House and putting them through that at as young as seven and 10.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 12:57Michelle Obama?

  But it was okay, you know? And there was so much growth from those experiences. So I found, and I wouldn't have said this when they were little, that they can move and, and, and, and hang with you. I think middle school, I've found that it wasn't really until middle school that the girls, you know, they wanted their own lives and their own time. They didn't want to be pulled out of their worlds to follow us around.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:25Michelle Obama?

  But up until then. They were on the campaign trail with us. They were in vans and in hotel rooms and they had each other. But it didn't, it didn't make them spoiled. It didn't make them, you know, it, it made them more outgoing, more poised. So there's a lot that they can gain.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:45Michelle Obama?

  For a longer period of time with the experiences that you're gonna be providing them.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. Wow, that's so beautiful. That makes me think of too, when touring with my sister when we were young, like it was fun and we were doing our school on the road, but you're right, we were able to adapt and it was, it was okay, like, yeah.

• 14:06Craig Robinson?

  Well, I'm glad you brought that up because I wanna, I wanna hear about that.

• 14:10Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:10Craig Robinson?

  And I wanna know.

• 14:11Michelle Obama?

  Your upbringing.

• 14:12Craig Robinson?

  Your upbringing and with, at what point and what age did you say, okay, I wanna be a?

• 14:21Michelle Obama?

  Star.

• 14:21Craig Robinson?

  Star, a, an actor, a whatever. I wanna hear about that because see, I've read about you putting on these little shows when you were little. Now, Misha and I did that and we are.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Really?

• 14:33Craig Robinson?

  Yeah, she's a star for another reason, but it was, we, we used to think we were the Jackson Five.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  Oh, I love that.

• 14:39Craig Robinson?

  When we were younger. So I wanna know, what age were you, did you sort of think, oh yeah, this is what I wanna do?

• 14:45Speaker 03

  You know, well, I always say this too, I'm the baby sister, so a lot of what I did, I was just copying Khloe.

• 14:54Michelle Obama?

  Like, I wanna be with her.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Yes. Like, you know, with your daughters, it's.

• 14:58Michelle Obama?

  You're gonna keep up.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 14:59Michelle Obama?

  You're not leaving me behind. You are not leaving me behind, girl. I am following whatever you're doing. So we grew up in Atlanta, Georgia.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  And our parents always played like really great music, like Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, and Outkast, and you know, just growing up in Atlanta, you're surrounded by amazing music. And so at a young age, we knew that we loved music, but my sister was the one who started to be like, uh, uh, oh, I'm the performer. And then I was like, oh, really? Okay. Uh, uh, ba-da-ba-bo. And then we're like, okay, we're doing this together. So then, you know, our parents saw us and were like, okay. And my really big memory that I have is we went to Spellman's Summer Camp, which was such a fun summer camp. And there was like a talent show.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  We were singing "Summertime" by Nina Simone and like matching outfits. And that was like our first real performance. I was five and Khloe was seven. And from there, we kind of realized, oh, we could do this.

• 16:12Craig Robinson?

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• 20:30Michelle Obama?

  Did you know that you, that the way you sang was different from the way other five-year-olds were singing?

• 20:36Speaker 03

  No, I didn't, honestly. I just was like, this is fun. And that's what made it special, I think, though, too, because we didn't really, we didn't really know what we were doing. We were just having fun and it felt good. And from there is kind of when things started to, you know, build up for us. And people would always say, we should like do YouTube covers because that was, it was the time of Justin Bieber, like really big on YouTube and all these people were getting discovered off of that. And we were like, okay.

• 21:09Michelle Obama?

  And how old were you then?

• 21:12Speaker 03

  I'd have been like 10 and 12 or something like that. And my sister, Sky, helped us record our first cover. It's the "Best Thing I Never Had" by Beyonce. And we just recorded it and posted it. And from there, kind of built a following.

• 21:29Craig Robinson?

  So talk about that some, Ally, because, I mean, so your parents had the foresight to know, okay, my kids have a special talent and we want to give them the opportunity to be as good as they can. How did that discussion go? Did they sit you down or did they just say, oh, we're moving to California?

• 21:51Speaker 03

  It was a very important thing that our family knew that we were supported in what we wanted to do. And being somewhere like California, there would be better opportunities. And I think at that point was when we started doing things with Disney. Like from there, when we did NBT, that is actually, I think, what brought us out to California because they had like a finale there.

• 22:16Craig Robinson?

  Wait, NBT?

• 22:17Speaker 03

  It's next big thing. It's like a Disney American Idol.

• 22:20Craig Robinson?

  Yep, got it.

• 22:22Michelle Obama?

  Tell us a bit about your mom and dad. I had the pleasure of meeting them, I think, a couple of times. Because we also did some things later on.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:33Michelle Obama?

  But talk a bit about your parents. Because it takes a special kind of mom and dad to keep your feet to the ground as you soar.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, my parents are from South Carolina, actually. My mom was a military brat. So she kind of lived all over the world. And my dad was from South Carolina. And they met at Clemson. And that was kind of how they fell in love. And then moved to Atlanta and had us. But yeah, they always were very strong influences in our art, our artistry, our songwriting. Especially my dad sat us down at a young age, taught us basic song structure and how to write a song.

• 23:19Michelle Obama?

  So where was, what did he do in music? Was he just talented?

• 23:23Speaker 03

  He was just a talented writer. So was my older sister, Sky. Like, I think, well, music has such a big impact on all of us. But smart brains, like my dad, my sister, my brother, they're all super like, very math and science brains, but also creative. I think I'm more so just creative. I'm not really good at science.

• 23:44Michelle Obama?

  That's OK.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:46Michelle Obama?

  I'm not either.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  Right. But that's how, that's how it started. And then from there, Chloe and I really just, we kind of worked together to build our experience. And, you know, my sister especially, she has always been so tech savvy. And from a young age, she was producing like everything. She learned how to make her own beats. She taught herself piano. I taught myself guitar. And, you know, we were kind of on a routine of like, this is what we're gonna do. And from there, just kind of. Grew, I guess.

• 24:24Michelle Obama?

  Did you ever have any formal training? Or you were completely self-taught?

• 24:29Speaker 03

  We had formal vocal lessons in Atlanta. But like our instrumentation, we were self-taught. And everything else, we were self-taught, like recording ourselves. And it was easy for Chloe. It was easy for Chloe because she's like, you know, she went to a magnet school. She just picks up, music is math in a way. And you pick up certain things very easily. And so I kind of was just the rider and there. And we just built off of our chemistry there. But it really is special. I mean, I feel like with my sister, I just was blessed that I had her. Because honestly, I don't think that I would have, you know, even ventured as far into this world as I did if it wasn't for her.

• 25:11Michelle Obama?

  Now that you're a parent, are you more mindful of what your parents did to sustain that unity?

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:22Michelle Obama?

  Wow. What have you learned?

• 25:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. I think especially when you become a parent, it's like the sunglasses are on now. Like everything seems, like, looks different. And the fact that they were able to sustain and help us with our dreams and put things in front of us that said, okay, this is gonna get you far. And she's gonna gravitate towards this. It's something that I'm trying to do with my baby is like, put it in front of them. See what they gravitate towards. And then kind of harness that energy and try to help build it in whatever way you can. And I definitely think that if we didn't have that, we wouldn't have been, you know, where we are today, absolutely.

• 26:05Craig Robinson?

  You remind me of Misha in the way that you've just been able to be normal as a star.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 26:11Craig Robinson?

  And was there anything? Did you all sit at the kitchen table like regular folks? Did you play games? What were some of the rituals you had growing up?

• 26:25Speaker 03

  My family were very faith-based. So that was also another thing that we were constantly reminded of was to whom much is given, much is expected. And when God gives you a gift, you're supposed to, you know, do whatever you can to give it back in some way and do good with it. And that was kind of a theme that we had always, like I still hear in my head. Is also just a really good anchor to hold on to, especially when things feel in this industry like, you know, a little rocky, you're up and down. You never know. People love you one day, don't like you so much the next. And yeah, we would do like karaoke nights.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of fun game nights. We had a swimming pool. We would always swim in the back in Atlanta. That would be like our safe place. We would play mermaids, me and Khloe. And yeah, it was, yeah.

• 27:25Michelle Obama?

  So now you're, you guys have entered the business. You've been signed by Beyonce, which I know you've talked a lot about what that felt like, just otherworldly. But it's a tough business. When did you feel the difference, right? I mean, when did, when did it start feeling like, okay, we're having fun in the basement and doing something we love? And now, and we're succeeding.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:55Michelle Obama?

  When did you think you hit your first reality bump? And what was it? What, what was it about the business that made you say, oh, okay, there's, there's more to it than just the glory of sharing our gift?

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Mermaid for me was like a whole different trajectory. Like I was, I was introduced to so many, like a different side of the world that I'd never even, you know, knew would know my name. And so with that, I think it started to feel like, oh, my gosh, like this is a lot. You know, I was very grateful for it, but it definitely, that was kind of a shock of how much people suddenly cared about, you know, your name and, and or they, or how much they expressed that they don't care, they don't think you're a good fit. It suddenly became like, whoa, like I didn't think people would. Care this much.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  And you know, that was a moment where I think I had to just ground myself. When I was hearing all the conversation about, you know, my casting and things like that, which was very, um, you know, it was just different for me at the time because I was used to being shielded with my sister, at least, and my sister, she'll tell you herself. Like she is like, she did not play about me. She's like

• 29:19Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  The one who's always there to be like, not, not like she puts things in place for us. And so with that, it was the first time I was kind of on my own and having to use my own voice and, and shield myself from certain things, uh, but also realize how great of an opportunity this was, but also everything that came with it was like a, it was a shock. So I think that moment for me was definitely the whole mermaid experience.

• 29:46Michelle Obama?

  And just so the listeners, assuming that everybody knows what we're talking about. I mean, you had the honor and the privilege of being cast as Ariel. And the backlash that came from it, I mean, it's Disney, it's one of, it's a big project. It was one of the televised versions of Little Mermaid. And the fact that you, as a young, beautiful black girl, was cast at what, as what some would say was supposed to be a white role, uh, created a level of, of debate. And you're trapped in the middle of it. Because all you're doing is accepting a part that seemed fun and interesting and you

• 30:29Michelle Obama?

  related to The Little Mermaid. How did you all talk about it in your family? How did you and Khloe talk about what you were hearing and what you felt?

• 30:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think it was really special to talk to my grandparents about it because, especially my grandpa, I mean,

• 30:49Michelle Obama?

  What did he say?

• 30:50Speaker 03

  He's a veteran, he makes us call him grandpa Colonel, like he's a, he's a veteran. He was in the, you know, he's one of the first, uh, black pioneers. He was in the air force and he's Colonel, so one of the first black Colonels. So that's like his pride and joy. So when this all happened, he was like,

• 31:13Speaker 03

  You know, see, like, look, look at where you come from, you know? And, um, you know, I think-

• 31:19Michelle Obama?

  He's like, you thought all these people loved you. Now-

• 31:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:23Michelle Obama?

  Real Oak says, so Grandpa Colonel was a truth teller.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:26Michelle Obama?

  So he wasn't like, come sit on my lap. He's like, you better wake up.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Exactly. And, um-

• 31:32Craig Robinson?

  The world isn't just singing and dancing.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Yes. And I think especially them, I mean, they've seen so much, their generation and, um, then to see it kind of pour through and this generation was something that was really interesting to talk about with him. And I think it's important in black families, like, certain things are just black history. Like, Mrs. Obama, you are black history, like, and these are just things that are, you just will speak about and you want to remind your children of and you want them to remember these people. Because it's like, this is taking us forward as a community. And I think they were just reminding me of that and saying, you know, how all these, the young black

• 32:16Speaker 03

  girls and boys of this generation, their version of Mermaid is, you know, me as Little Mermaid. And that was, that was really, like, makes me emotional even to this day when I think about it.

• 32:29Michelle Obama?

  I know that, you know, some people, our generation and older, sometimes we say, you know, the younger generation takes the freedoms that they have for granted.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:41Michelle Obama?

  Um, because you guys didn't live through, or even now, are you learning about that history in schools? I mean, there are people actively working to try to erase that history. So it, it could come as a shock. I could see Grandpa Colonel going, yeah, this is what we've been talking about all along. And you didn't experience it because you benefited from the struggle-

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:06Michelle Obama?

  -of people like your grandparents. I love the fact that your grandfather put it in context. Like, do you feel like your generation, I mean, like, that there's some truth to that?

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 33:19Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  There is still, you know, a lot of division and things that we need to work on. But I'm hopeful about, especially my baby's generation. Like, I feel like- Well, hopefully, it won't be as much of a thing with him. But it's really special to see. And I live here in California. So, yeah, I don't know. I feel like we have a long way to go still, but I'm feeling more hopeful for sure.

• 33:45Michelle Obama?

  Well, it takes work.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:47Michelle Obama?

  You know, I think that that's one of the things Grandpa Colonel and I would probably agree with. It's like, it doesn't just happen on its own. And that's what I want to make sure your generation understands is that, you know, now that you're a parent, you realize that everything you're doing is really not for you.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:07Michelle Obama?

  Right? And I think you, your sister, you guys are of that generation to remind your peers that this stuff doesn't just come because we deserve it, right? It comes because we worked for it.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 34:29Craig Robinson?

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• 35:14Craig Robinson?

  So, if you're ready to build your own empire, whether it's merch, products, or the next best idea, get on Shopify.com/IMO and make it happen today.

• 35:32Craig Robinson?

  Well, I want to know, when was it that you, in your development, thought, you know, maybe this is the right time to be out on my own?

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:44Craig Robinson?

  Can you talk a little bit about that process? And how you came about that decision?

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I'll, I always say, I'm the baby sister. So it

• 35:55Michelle Obama?

  Me too.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think when you're reliant on your siblings, it takes like a push, like somebody has to push you. And be like, okay, you can do it on your own. You can fly, bird, fly. And that's what my sister was for me. But it wasn't until I had to move to London to go film All of Mermaid. That was the first time we were ever separated away from each other in our whole life. So, and we both talked about how we had separation anxiety without one another. And I felt like I didn't have my arm, like not being with my sister and living in different places.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  And that, I felt like, was my college experience in a way. From there is how I feel. I've gained, you know, my independence and my voice. But I feel if it wasn't for that, me and my sister both talked about it. Like, we needed that. If it wasn't for that, like, we probably would have still been, you know,

• 36:57Michelle Obama?

  Joined at the hip.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:59Michelle Obama?

  How would you describe your stylistic differences? Not just musically, but who is Hallie? Who is Chloe?

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I'm very like, I'm very blunt. Like, when I'm around my people, I'm very honest. People are always surprised. They're like, wow, Hallie, you've got some fire. I'm like, I am a fire sign.

• 37:23Michelle Obama?

  See, there, and I don't know where that's a youngest thing.

• 37:26Craig Robinson?

  Oh, here we go.

• 37:28Michelle Obama?

  And Sasha's kind of like that. Did Sasha, straight no chaser?

• 37:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 37:33Craig Robinson?

  Yeah, she is.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  That's how I am now. I feel like it took me a minute to build to that. And now, oh my gosh, my sister is almost like 28. I feel like she is just fire on TV. But she's water, she's a Cancer. So she's so sensitive, loving.

• 37:50Michelle Obama?

  When's your birthday?

• 37:51Speaker 03

  July 1st.

• 37:52Michelle Obama?

  Okay.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:53Michelle Obama?

  Uh, Malie's Cancer, July 4th.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 37:56Michelle Obama?

  Sasha Gemini.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Oh, I love, I'm Gemini Moon, I think.

• 38:00Michelle Obama?

  Wow.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  That's so funny.

• 38:01Michelle Obama?

  Wow.

• 38:02Craig Robinson?

  We should have you back when we do a show just on Horoscope.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  Please, I would love to. I think it's so cool.

• 38:08Craig Robinson?

  I want to talk about your movie.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 38:10Craig Robinson?

  You, Me and Tuscany?

• 38:11Michelle Obama?

  Oh, yeah, it is. Did you start cooking because of the movie? Did you have to train?

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Well, not necessarily, because I always cooked before then. But for the movie, I actually took classes and stuff. And I think it did ignite more of a cooking spark in me. So by the time, excuse me, by the time I went home, I was like, oh, I really got this now. But Italy was beautiful. I actually went away earlier this year um, to film this movie called You, Me and Tuscany. And uh, it's this uh, black rom-com with Universal. Yeah, which I'm really excited about. Um, and my co-star, Reggae, is amazing. And I watched him on Bridgerton. Like, I loved him in that. And it's uh, produced by Will Packer.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  And um, it was my first time working with a woman director, Kat Cairo, who's amazing. And it's, it's a fun, feel-good movie. Like, I've, I've never, I mean, I've been a part of feel-good things, but this like felt the most um, just sweet and fun and joyful, like a joyful film that you can watch and just be happy.

• 39:23Michelle Obama?

  So you play a chef?

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 39:25Craig Robinson?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  I play a chef. My character's name is Anna. And a little bit of her backstory is that her mother actually is like an amazing chef, had worked at a Michelin-starred restaurant. And she was kind of following in her mother's footsteps um, until, you know, her mother passes away. And she kind of just loses her whole life meaning and kind of gives up. Whenever, she gives up on culinary school. She just gives up on everything and, and is just, decides to just be a house sitter and is just kind of. You know, getting by because she's, you know, consumed by her missing her mother and not really knowing how to continue on. And it's a very sweet story.

• 40:10Craig Robinson?

  Oh, it sounds like it.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  I hope I didn't just give it all away.

• 40:13Michelle Obama?

  No, no, I think, and we won't, we won't spoil it. When, where is it, is it streaming? Is it in theaters? When's it coming out?

• 40:21Speaker 03

  It'll be in theaters, April 10th.

• 40:24Michelle Obama?

  Okay, springtime.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, springtime. I'm really excited.

• 40:28Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, well, congratulations on, on the film. I, I can't wait to see it. It's right up my alley.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Thank you, yay.

• 40:35Craig Robinson?

  It's not up my alley, but I'm going to see it. I am going to see it.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 40:40Craig Robinson?

  We know we have a listener question that we want to have you chime in on.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  I'm a first time mom. I had a little boy in September. I'm a high school music teacher and I took this year off, mostly unpaid, to be with my son. I want to know, what advice do you have for a mom returning to work? Maintaining my career, maintaining my relationship and being a mom? In this moment, it feels like it will be impossible to do it all.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 41:05Michelle Obama?

  We're gonna ask the little grandmother.

• 41:09Michelle Obama?

  Because now you're not an old lady, now you're a grandmother.

• 41:12Craig Robinson?

  You should never have told her that. See, that's what the youngest does. They've been beat up so much is that when they find something.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  I love it. Oh, my God.

• 41:23Craig Robinson?

  When they find something, they are gonna dig in.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  It's so true, though, I am. But hi, Abigail. Thank you so much for your question. Man, it's really, it's a lot of parts to it, I think.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  One, I would say is, to a certain level, it's, it's gonna be hard, especially if you've been, you know, you, you've been amazing and brave to take this year and just spend it with your baby and how special it is for him to have a mom who is so committed to wanting to be there for him. And also know that you are so worthy and that you absolutely deserve your chance to continue to flourish in your career and do the thing that feeds your spirit most of all, because that's what's gonna make you a better mom for your baby, is harnessing. Your dreams and goals and not forgetting about those pieces of yourself.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  As you take on, you're taking on so much in motherhood and, and, and teaching other children. That's really cool. She said she's a music teacher. Like, you're incredible.

• 42:36Michelle Obama?

  She's who you would have been had you.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. That's so true. Like, I wish, yeah, that would have been, that would have been so cool. But just know that you are supported and you are doing more than enough. And you are incredible. And make sure that when you do go back, you have somebody very close that you trust and love to like constantly, like for me, constantly sending me updates, what he's doing, what's going on. Like, I just need that as a mom. You just, you can rest in knowing that, you know, your child is okay, you know, and he's, he's having fun on the weekends with his dad. You know, he's, he's having a great time with the people that I trust.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  And constantly people showing me that he's good. He's good, Hallie. Do your thing. He's good. You're okay. You're fine. You can do this and be strong for him because you're doing this ultimately for him. So I would say just be proud of yourself is what I would say most of all. Yeah.

• 43:40Michelle Obama?

  Well, I, yeah, I talk about this a lot with, uh, uh, young staff who have just had kids and, you know, because that is the dilemma, you know, you don't know how you're gonna feel until that baby shows up. You know, you can have whatever plan you had. I'm gonna stay at work. I'm gonna go home. And until you, you get through it and you get through all the things that come with being a, a new mother, like postpartum, I mean, you've talked about your experience with postpartum. No one, you don't know what that's gonna feel like and, you know, how to get through that, you know. So I'd, I'd first say, give yourself a minute to just right-size yourself.

• 44:25Michelle Obama?

  And we, we, and how old is, is the baby now?

• 44:30Michelle Obama?

  A year. I mean, like, our maternity leave policy is ridiculous if you have to follow one, because most of it is three months, four months. I mean, that doesn't even give a woman's body time to fully heal, even if you've had a natural childbirth, let alone let your hormones stabilize, because your body is still saying, "I am feeding this child," literally breastfeeding. So, your hormones are telling you to do one thing, and the societal structure is telling you to do something else. It's not supporting the mother in the way, you know, what her biological needs are. And I think we first

• 45:10Michelle Obama?

  have to understand that that is actually going on. You know, we don't live in a society that fully respects and values childbirth. Like, we want people to have them, don't have an abortion, but, you know, we're not really thinking about how do we create an environment for all women to be able to heal, be focused, and then make the decisions at the right time about when they're ready to move on. So, I think we have to be honest that the system doesn't work for us. And so, what she's feeling is real, because the support systems aren't really there. So, in the midst of it, I'd say too, we have

• 45:52Michelle Obama?

  to be a little more forgiving of ourselves, and understand that you don't get it all at the same time. So, that may mean, okay, if you really choose to go back to work, because that's something you can do, and some people don't have a choice. They have to, right? That you might not be able to go back in your 100% mode, right? And if you're a 100 percenter, you know, which I imagine you are, I know I am, the frustration comes with, "I'm not..." Giving my all to this career.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:28Michelle Obama?

  You know, or the feeling that I'm not giving my all to this wonderful baby because, you know, half of my day is divided, right? So the conflict internally is that I'm failing all the time because I'm not doing everything at 100%. I think we have to tell ourselves that really, sometimes 40% is okay.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:51Michelle Obama?

  Sometimes 30% is okay. Sometimes 70% is okay, right? Because we talked about this earlier. Our, the, the children are way more resilient than we give them credit for. You know, they're not gonna stop loving us because we leave the house and go do a job.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:08Michelle Obama?

  It doesn't work that way, you know? They aren't gonna be broken if mom has a passion that she wants to pursue. But it's hard to know that when your baby's one.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:22Michelle Obama?

  Because you think that. Yeah, everything you do.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  It feels like the world is ending, everything.

• 47:26Michelle Obama?

  Exactly, exactly. And it's not until you, they grow up and you realize that they're okay. You know, that really in the end, if they have a lot of love, and it, all that love doesn't even have to come from mom. You know, the beauty that we learned is that the more kid, people who love our kids, the more people they're exposed to that, of course, are safe and, and, and are kind. That, that is a benefit to them.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 47:58Michelle Obama?

  You know, they don't just need mom.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:01Michelle Obama?

  Right? They need to know mom plus so many other people because we can't give our kids everything, no matter what.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:08Michelle Obama?

  Like, we're different from our kids. You know, sometimes they need somebody that's got a different edge to them. Because maybe you're a math brain and your kid is a creative brain and they can't relate to you all the time. You may be driving your baby crazy.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:23Michelle Obama?

  They may want someone else with a different temperament, with a different flair, and that doesn't mean they'll love you less. That means they'll get more of what they need. And I think we have to tell ourselves that, as moms, that of course, we want to find safe. Partnerships and communities for them. We have to do the work to create those. But we're not meant to do this alone.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's no way you can. It's impossible.

• 48:47Michelle Obama?

  We're not meant to be our children's everything.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:51Michelle Obama?

  And so then that leaves us time to focus on the things that we love.

• 49:09Michelle Obama?

  And as I say, when they leave you, they're not looking back.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:12Michelle Obama?

  They're not asking, are you OK now that I'm all whole? You know, they're just, they just leave. And you better have something to do with yourself when they're gone. What would you say, little boy Craig?

• 49:25Craig Robinson?

  I wouldn't say much more than what the two of you have said.

• 49:28Michelle Obama?

  But you have to, as a dad, have you struggled with the balance?

• 49:32Craig Robinson?

  So it is a different, it's, I get a different leeway than women do as a man. Right? We're expected to drop everything and go back to work. And what I was gonna share with Abigail is that even for me, when I was working in the NBA and I'm traveling all over the place and leaving home for weeks at a time,

• 50:07Craig Robinson?

  I was feeling that way.

• 50:11Craig Robinson?

  And guys are supposed to be like, uh-uh, off to slay the dragon. And it is really hard. And if I had it to do all over again, the question I asked you, one of the things I would do is I'd get off that treadmill a lot earlier and spend the time with my kids like I'm doing now, like, you know.

• 50:33Michelle Obama?

  Because Craig's had two sets of kids.

• 50:35Craig Robinson?

  So I've got two older kids that are 33 and 29 and then 15 and 13.

• 50:42Craig Robinson?

  And when I was coaching when I had my older two, so I didn't get a chance to coach them in sports. I could sometimes attend. I was so busy that I missed out on a lot of what they were doing. So I would just tell Abigail, be careful rushing back. Just, you know, you don't have to rush back. And to Misha's point about 70% is okay. You know, changing up for a minute is okay, too, because you can always get back on the treadmill, in my opinion. You can get back on the treadmill anytime. But these years go by quickly.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:19Craig Robinson?

  And that's the advice that I would tell you with Halo. Before you know it, he's gonna be 13.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 51:27Craig Robinson?

  And he's gonna be giving you sort of the side kissing hug.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:30Craig Robinson?

  I see it with the boys. With my wife, they're like, all right, we'll see you, Pa. See you. Oh, you're hugging me too much. You, so get all that loving in now, Abigail. And but, but, but it's okay to do a little bit of both. It's okay. It's okay. The kids will be fine, from what I can tell. That's a cute boy.

• 51:52Michelle Obama?

  He is a sweetie. And he's very well adjusted.

• 51:55Craig Robinson?

  Yeah.

• 51:56Michelle Obama?

  He got to meet Sonny. He was very, Sonny's here today. I want to ask before we go, I just want to give you a chance to talk about your music, too. I mean, you, you know, you're, you're doing it. I mean, your voice, you know, both of you. But individually, I mean, your voices are angelic.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 52:18Michelle Obama?

  And your writing is just always powerful, you know. Talk about this album, how you feel about it. Are you excited about it? What, what, what are you excited about?

• 52:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, so this project actually was my first solo album. You know, I've done three other albums with my sister. And that was, you know, you feel so great, but you're like, you're, you have help because my sister's right there. We're in it together. So this one was definitely my own journey. Like, and I call it my diary entries. And I think when you have something like. Music and we're able to just throw yourself into feeling and not not caring about opinions or what people have to say and just being true to yourself and your heart and and being

• 53:14Speaker 03

  vulnerable like your diary entries like everyone is listening to it's it's like a book in a way. And this album that I did this year is called Love or Something Like It.

• 53:25Craig Robinson?

  Or Something Like It.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I really wanted to detail the journey of what it what it feels like to be in love. And if if it was love and when you come out of it, the things that you remember.

• 53:38Michelle Obama?

  You gotta sing a little bit for me.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Well, if you ask, I will. I guess, hmm, where should I start? Maybe the verse. So it goes, "Sometimes the simplest words are the hardest to say. And I know we're speaking the same language, but I need someone to translate. Because I'm scared of losing you and losing me too.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  I pray all these changes don't change us. I need you." Yeah, that's like a little bit of it. But, oh, my God, thanks.

• 54:37Michelle Obama?

  Are you touring? Are you gonna be out there?

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm gonna tour. I'm gonna score sometime next year, which I'm really excited about.

• 54:45Michelle Obama?

  Oh, my God.

• 54:46Speaker 03

  Just playing some of the songs and, uh, yeah.

• 54:49Michelle Obama?

  I'm gonna be there.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 54:53Michelle Obama?

  You are just, okay, you're not a little old lady. You're but you are a precious, amazing woman.

• 55:02Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 55:03Michelle Obama?

  And it's been fun being on this side of the.

• 55:08Michelle Obama?

  Experience watching you grow. And I, I hope you're proud of yourself.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 55:15Michelle Obama?

  I just wanna, uh, I, I want, while you're here with listeners,

• 55:21Michelle Obama?

  what message do you have?

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Sorry, that just made me emotional.

• 55:25Michelle Obama?

  Oh, that's why we, good thing we have the tissues.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's so good, sorry.

• 55:30Michelle Obama?

  But it's so true. It's so true. And I know after this year, becoming a new mom, I mean, so much adjustment.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:38Michelle Obama?

  But you were doing it.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 55:39Michelle Obama?

  Cause you got a whole little man out there that is clearly loved and nurtured. And you've been through some ups and downs. And I'd love for you to, to share just words of, of wisdom to young people that are going through some hard times, you know, experiencing the not so good side of social media.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:05Michelle Obama?

  And what would you tell them about getting through? And it's a, it's a constant process, but you know, you, you've pushed through some stuff.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:17Michelle Obama?

  What would you tell?

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Man, I definitely would say, like, the first thing is to ground yourself and realize, ask yourself, why are you here? Like, what are you here for? Why did God put you here on this earth? And what ways can you just do good with what you've been given? Is where I start, whenever I start to feel discouraged or, you know, just clouded from the industry, which you could sometimes, you know, gets exhausting. And then I remind myself, like, for me, a big thing is I have to take breaks from social media. Like, I just have to get it out of my face. I have to delete it. I have to just go on.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  I call them like little cleanses for yourself. Because, I mean, you just forget, like, real life, what it is to go out and be in some grass and lay in the sun and not have your phone to distract you. What it feels like to hike up that mountain without, without having to post about it and be like, look at me, like. Not needing the validation from the outside world in order to feel complete, I think, is something that I is a theme that I'm learning and

• 57:38Michelle Obama?

  It's internal work.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 57:40Michelle Obama?

  In a time when we're looking for so much external validation, the secret is that the work is really, it's one-on-one, it's you and you. And that never changes.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:55Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, I'm still doing it and I'm 60. You know, the same.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  You look amazing.

• 58:00Michelle Obama?

  Thank you.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 58:02Michelle Obama?

  Thank you. He's older.

• 58:06Craig Robinson?

  Everybody thinks she's older than me.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  No, what? No way.

• 58:09Michelle Obama?

  See, there's always.

• 58:10Craig Robinson?

  It's because she's iconic, you know, like they think she's older.

• 58:15Michelle Obama?

  It's because I'm wise.

• 58:16Craig Robinson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:19Michelle Obama?

  But thank you for sharing that.

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