Subaru STI Returns! New $3 Million Dollar Rolls-Royce, Forbidden GM EV1 Auction?

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• 0:57Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:00Speaker 03

  I'm Kennan.

• 1:01Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. And I'm Nick. Whoa, and Kennan is dressed up today.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  Yes, it's Halloween.

• 1:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's Halloween, everybody.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  I'm wearing my Senna costume.

• 1:09Doug DeMuro?

  And Kennan is Senna today, his personal hero. But he's finished the race and he's changed into his hat.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  Yes, one of the great ironies. He was very fast, I'm very slow.

• 1:18Doug DeMuro?

  True. Okay, we have a lot to discuss today. It's Halloween, we have a spooky podcast.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:25Doug DeMuro?

  I want tricks. No, I'm kidding. We have a normal podcast. Give us the first news story. This is the biggest news story of the week unquestionably. Subaru in Japan, in Tokyo, has previewed a new STI concept car. Did you see this?

• 1:39Speaker 03

  That's interesting because they said they weren't going to make an STI version of the current WRX, correct?

• 1:43Doug DeMuro?

  I think that that was said, and it certainly has been true so far, right? The new WRX came out in 21, at the end of 21 is when I reviewed it. And it has been a pretty... I love the new WRX, but it's been a bit of a letdown in the sense that they didn't do a hatchback, they didn't do a wagon, and they didn't do an STI. True. This is all of those.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  It's got the box fenders. I love their rear arch treatment there. Giant wing. It's in the correct color for a WRX.

• 2:11Doug DeMuro?

  And it is a manual transmission and a hatchback. Now, at this same auto show, Subaru also previewed an electric hatchback-y concept car thing. And they said, this is the future of our STI brand. But I think I speak for all of us when I say that I hope that this is the future of the STI brand.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  The only thing electric in this car is going to be the vape pen. Like, we do not need an EV.

• 2:32Doug DeMuro?

  I have to say, I have been a little bit disappointed with Subaru's decision here. For one thing, not to do the hatchback. Subaru did the hatchback last in 2011, 2012. It wasn't a huge seller, and they said, okay, we're done. We're just going to do sedans. That's what the American market wants, which I think there was a time when that was true. However, since then, Audi RS6 has come back as a hatchback. The E63 wagon now outsells the sedan. The GR Corolla has shown up and been a big success. Since Subaru made this decision, the Focus and the Fiesta, he both came and went. And they were quite popular. You know, those cars got ditched for reasons beyond how the success of the performance model. And I think that there's a real business case for going back to the hatchback situation.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Some would say they could dominate an unfulfilled niche right now. So it's a very good time to bring it back.

• 3:14Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I don't think, it's not entirely unfulfilled because we have the GR Corolla, we have the Golf R. But this would be a good, this would be good competition to those cars. Now, it can't have this wing.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  No, it can't, but it will later on anyway. People will take inspiration from this on eBay. Put these on the menu.

• 3:29Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. It can't come out of the factory like this, even though we know this is what people are going to do. I gotta tell you, it's also this, the hatchback thing is important too, because Subaru, it's, a lot of Americans don't realize this, but Subaru does sell the new WRX in virtually every other overseas market as a hatchback. And it's called either the Lavorg or the WRX Sportsback or various things. I even looked it up. I was looking it up today. They sell it in Chile and Peru.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  Chile gets it, but we don't.

• 3:52Doug DeMuro?

  They just made this product planning decision. All Americans don't like hatches. Right as the hatch was, it was like the Xterra. It's like, right as the hatch started to take off, they were like, we're done.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  They always have like a five-year latency. They're just behind like knowing exactly what we want.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Do you think it is that they don't think there's demand? Or is it a regulatory or otherwise compliance-related?

• 4:08Doug DeMuro?

  No, I mean, they sell the Crosstrek, which is a lifted version. So like, there's, what's, what's the issue? You already make the powertrain. I'm not even necessarily asking for an STI, although it'd be cool, obviously this car. But even a WRX wagon, I think going back to that would be really cool. Those are my favorite WRXs from the old days. But this is incredible. I mean, this really is the STI that we've all wanted for many, many, many years. It's been five years since there was an STI.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Yep. So Subaru, if you're listening, do it. Bring it here.

• 4:34Doug DeMuro?

  It'd be cool. I think it'd be cool. I think it would succeed. Subaru abandoned STI, I have a suspicion, because that's not what they wanted their brand to be in the US. They were going after the Forester and the Outback and the families and the dog people and Costco shoppers. But like, let's do this. Like, they're so well-known for it, and it's so beloved. And apparently, this has a flat four, a turbo flat four.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  And it is a good example of like a halo car. So when people do get the boring Foresters and Empresas, they can at least think, oh, it's a performance car. It's used for rallies. It seems silly to have such an obvious halo and not.

• 5:06Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. They have an obvious halo. STI has been the halo for so many years. It was such a big deal. And then they just kind of left it. And what's even weirder is now they're previewing a concept version. It's like, okay, are you abandoning this or are you gonna do it?

• 5:17Speaker 04

  If I were them, I'd be doing like 22Bs and like going all in on that. But if we're not gonna get that, an STI is a no.

• 5:22Doug DeMuro?

  And they did that. There was the S209, which was like a $70,000 Impreza. It's just, it's so weird to me that they preview this as a concept. It doesn't really seem concepty. This seems like a production car.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Maybe they knew they were gonna do this all along, and they were like waiting for the later model years of the WRX to like get people excited about.

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  But it's been years. I mean, you would think they would have done that like the year after or the next year or something like that.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  It's kind of falls in the end of the product cycle thing, if that's really what they're going for.

• 5:47Doug DeMuro?

  Typically, STIs have not been that, though. The 02WRX was the first WRX in the States, and they had an STI by 04. And that was the very beginning, where they weren't even sure if the WRX would be a hit. And they came just two years later with a STI. This would be five years later.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  I love this.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Different people, different product strategies. But I really hope that they build it. I hope it comes.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  And we need the box fenders.

• 6:05Doug DeMuro?

  I hope so, too. I think the fenders are really cool. Maybe they're seeing what GR Corolla can do, or has done. And they're interested in being a part of that. Manual transmission.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  Manual transmission.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  I'm seeing people in GR Corollas that don't look like enthusiasts.

• 6:17Doug DeMuro?

  Can I, can I posit that that's because it's probably not a GR Corolla, but you've mistaken a Corolla?

• 6:22Speaker 04

  No, no, no. The three exhaust and the little kazoo racing thing. I know my, I know my Toyota. I'm a Toyota truck guy.

• 6:29Doug DeMuro?

  Sure.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  I think you Toyota.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  Toyota truck guy in what, in what way? I admire Land Cruisers from a distance.

• 6:35Doug DeMuro?

  You know, there's a short going around right now of you saying that people who buy Tacomas hate America.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  They do. I mean, no.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  It's very unclear. Let me just tell you what, they don't have cowboy holders in their dashboards.

• 6:49Doug DeMuro?

  But we haven't talked about that.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  I know, but we're going to.

• 6:52Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, the next big news story, I think one of the biggest news story of the week, General Motors announced this week that an eyes-off version of Super Cruise is coming. That's a huge deal.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  That's a very big deal.

• 7:03Doug DeMuro?

  Super Cruise, of course, is their self-driving, or they want to say driver assist, but at this point, we can start calling it self-driving, I think. And the video previewing this is, or the photo, there's a woman watching TV as her, as her Escalade IQ drives down the street. And I love Super Cruise and I think it works wonderfully, and I think that the big drawback is that you have to always be looking forward. Have you guys used this, any of these systems?

• 7:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 7:27Doug DeMuro?

  The ones that are eye-monitoring, if you look down at your phone for even two seconds, it's like and it's like, well, the whole point of this is so that I can be on my phone, right? For be honest, isn't that, isn't that like why we're trying to do driver assist?

• 7:43Speaker 04

  You would think, you would think.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, yes, for most people, yes, I would say that's it.

• 7:47Doug DeMuro?

  The fact that this is a possibility, they're saying a couple more years, 28, that's really appealing.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  Are there no regulatory hurdles around this that they had to clear?

• 7:56Doug DeMuro?

  My assumption is that the primary regulatory hurdle is that they have to then accept liability in the case of accidents.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Which seems scary.

• 8:03Doug DeMuro?

  But remember how Super Cruise works, it only works on mapped roads, so it doesn't, you can't just turn it on. It only works on roads that they themselves have mapped out, and so with that in mind, they probably have a pretty good knowledge of, hey, because it's really only freeways and some higher speed, like state highways and US highways.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Open, more open.

• 8:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's not like you can just do it in the city. GM won't take liability for that, I assume, but if you're on the five, they know how it turns, you know, this is not new, nothing is new about these freeway.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  Right, and it's more. Predictable what's going to happen as opposed to streets where there are kids running around and soccer balls or squirrels or whatever.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I, working in advertising, I can only imagine how many people had to sign off on this image. Specifically demonstrating no eye contact, no hand on the wheel, watching TV. Like they knew, GM is not like willy nilly about this, so.

• 8:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's a good point. Showing this picture is like them saying, we're gonna do this and the lawyers were probably.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  The lawyer's like, oh, make sure the phone's far away from it. Don't quite wanna make that.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  Heaven forbid you're on a phone while you're watching a movie.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  You're the guy who's talking on the phone in the movie theater. That's who it is.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 9:11Doug DeMuro?

  I am very encouraged as a guy who does a lot of long distance driving on the freeway. I'm very encouraged by this and I think it could be really, really cool. And if, if GM does it and Mercedes Benz has also talked that said that they might do something like this in the future. It would be really big for long haul drivers.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 9:26Doug DeMuro?

  Nick could pop into his Escalade IQL and.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  Wouldn't that be nice?

• 9:30Doug DeMuro?

  No. You know, I was in Washington DC this week. You know what the best part was? Didn't see a single Escalade IQ. They're all over here.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, they really are.

• 9:38Doug DeMuro?

  They're all over and it is just such a ridiculous vehicle.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  You know, it's funny because everyone thought the Hummer EV SUV would take off and you'd never see those. But you're seeing the IQ everywhere. So it's like, okay, they had the right concept, but everyone wanted the Escalade, not the.

• 9:51Doug DeMuro?

  I don't get who buys them because liberals don't want a Cadillac Escalade and Republicans don't want an electric car. So who is this crossover that, not only that, it's the most in your face of all of that. Thousand pounds and it costs a hundred thousand dollars and it's the biggest car on the road.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  Yet again, that Orange County crossover. Southern California and it worked, it plays here.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  I still think my theory that I posited in the group thread that everyone deep down wants a full sized Range Rover. People just aren't willing to accept it. And so an IQ is a falling short vehicle. It says, I wanted the full sized Range. I got an Escalade because I didn't want to be too flashy or what have you.

• 10:27Doug DeMuro?

  You're trying to create a Cayman GT4 nucleus theory with the new range. I'm gonna tell you something.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  The new range is everything.

• 10:33Doug DeMuro?

  It's just not that, it, it's a lovely automobile and.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  The Cadillac, theville taillights, the, the long vertical slits.

• 10:40Doug DeMuro?

  It's fine, it's fine. I just, some of us, look, some of us, we drive Toyota Sequoia built in Texas. We love America and some of us want our European, uh...

• 10:50Speaker 03

  Fancy Euro.

• 10:51Doug DeMuro?

  It's America.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  I think what you're trying to say is, some of us are willing to admit we want the Range Rover, the rest of us are liars.

• 10:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, dude, I had, I've had two Ranges. I will not...

• 11:00Speaker 04

  But those are not the same. An L322 is not the same.

• 11:02Doug DeMuro?

  It was when I had it!

• 11:03Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, but we've come a long way.

• 11:05Doug DeMuro?

  Give us the next news, try, I don't know, this is where I'm on a tangent. Oh, 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan. This is G35.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Breaking news.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Takeover.

• 11:13Doug DeMuro?

  Infi...

• 11:15Speaker 04

  I assume that's what the story is, yes?

• 11:16Doug DeMuro?

  No, believe it or not, Infiniti has announced that they are returning with a sedan.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 11:22Doug DeMuro?

  Which is unbelievable because they just recently canceled their midsize SUV, which is kinda like the whole thing.

• 11:27Speaker 03

  Right. So they're deciding to cancel a platform that could potentially be popular with one that definitely won't be.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  Hey, Kennan, raise your hand if you didn't know that Infiniti didn't already make a sedan currently.

• 11:37Doug DeMuro?

  Infiniti stopped, Infiniti stopped doing the Q50 after the 24 model year, although I'm sure there are still some left.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, they're gettable.

• 11:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, but, but, but the remaining cars in Infiniti's lineup are now only the QX60, which is a midsize three-row SUV, and the QX80, which is a full-size three-row SUV. They've even canceled the QX50, which is their kinda small midsize, that was like X3 competitor. And the X3 and GLC and Q5 are probably the biggest sellers for those brands, and Infiniti doesn't even have a rival. And they're saying, instead of putting research effort into that, we're gonna go after a sedan.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  Infiniti's not in a good spot. I mean...

• 12:15Speaker 03

  Do they just, like, live under a rock or in a bunker? They don't know what else is going on?

• 12:19Speaker 04

  Nissan's the parent company, Nissan's in dire strait, Infiniti is kinda like their sub-brand. So if the main company's not getting enough R&D, imagine what, like, being a subsidiary is.

• 12:28Doug DeMuro?

  I have a theory that Infiniti's not, is, will not make it and will, will go under here in the next, like, will, may not see 2030.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  That seems, I think that seems highly likely.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  It's, it's up there with the everyone-wants-a-full-size-Range Rover theory and that it's probably true. No one can prove it, but it's probably true.

• 12:45Doug DeMuro?

  There is no part of me. I had a Defender. I bought it brand new. There is no part of me that sits here thinking, damn, I wish I had a full-size.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  You drive a Sequoia with camouflage fenders, so we don't need to.

• 12:56Doug DeMuro?

  I can't live in my community. I cannot have a full-size Ranger.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  I bet there's one on every block.

• 13:01Doug DeMuro?

  There is not. Absolutely. I cannot drive a full-size Ranger.

• 13:04Speaker 04

  I'm gonna go take a little leisurely drive later.

• 13:07Doug DeMuro?

  Nick has two properties, both at the beach, and I'm not able to participate in any of that.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  Right.

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• 14:41Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Move on to the next news story. The GM EV1, did you see this?

• 14:45Speaker 04

  Yes. I saw this. Rich Rebuilds posted it and I was really hoping he would have gotten it, but it brought in serious money.

• 14:51Doug DeMuro?

  So GM EV1 was General Motors' electric car in the 90s and the way these cars worked, they were only leased to consumers and then when the leases were up, General Motors bought them back or took them back. They didn't allow people to renew the leases and they crushed most of them. It was the subject of this big documentary, which of course, the documentary was, oh, that electric car is dead. Of course, now EVs are everywhere. So it's not as secret and special and ooh, conspiracy as it once was. But a few of the EV1s were given, donated to universities and there are universities all around the country that have them in various states of disrepair because it was cool for the universities and their engineering

• 15:33Doug DeMuro?

  students to like check out at the time in 1999, but now the technology is old, nobody cares anymore. EVs are everywhere. And in fact, they have a lot, some of the universities, they're just sitting in parking lots. Like people approach them and see them and they pass around on social media occasionally with flat tires and in this state. And so I think this car was at a university and it has now been auctioned at some sort of auto auction in Georgia and it sold for over a hundred thousand dollars.

• 16:00Speaker 03

  A hundred and four grand if I remember. Which for these universities that have them sitting around, well, here's an easy way to get some.

• 16:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the problem was the universities all had to sign an agreement with GM that they would never sell the car. And so I wouldn't be surprised if the new owner of this car finds himself in a little bit of trouble. Probably GM doesn't care anymore.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  I can't imagine.

• 16:20Speaker 04

  Remember when you weren't allowed to sell a Cybertruck and everyone was afraid to do that? And it was like a serious thing. You'd be like, oh, do we accept it?

• 16:27Speaker 03

  The Hummer EV was my favorite because like you said, what am I gonna do? Not buy another GMC?

• 16:31Doug DeMuro?

  Right. What are they gonna do? Stop you from buying a Yukon? Trust me, that could happen.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  But I mean, I guess there are probably ways around. They probably gift it to someone else and that party can then sell it.

• 16:39Doug DeMuro?

  The universities were not allowed to dispose them at all, which is why they're in kind of derelict state at universities across the country. And I assume that this one was at a university that failed, like that went bankrupt or something. And that probably is the only way that it happened. So there's nobody left for GM to go after at the university. But this will be the first EV1 in private hands since the time period. The only drawback is. Does anybody care?

• 17:03Speaker 04

  It doesn't seem like I, from what I, I haven't been able to figure out who won it yet, and that may come out by the time this is posted, but wouldn't this be the best way to start a YouTube channel ever? Cause you get the, you get the restoration of like the interior with all the garbage in it and like the exterior, and then you also get to see like how it ran, like take it apart, like engineering explained, like someone like that could, that could really go into the battery.

• 17:23Doug DeMuro?

  You could do some great collabs.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:26Doug DeMuro?

  Engineering explained, you could do, uh, Larry.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, Larry's gotta do it, yeah. Rich rebuilds.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  You for a review?

• 17:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Maybe a little Tavorish in there too.

• 17:36Doug DeMuro?

  You know, here's an interesting fact, I have to this day, an original EV1 owner's manual at my house.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  Really?

• 17:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 17:42Doug DeMuro?

  I was on eBay in 2000, it was before I moved to California, 2016, late at night.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:47Doug DeMuro?

  And it popped up somehow in my algorithm and I bought it, it was like 30 bucks. I bought it in two seconds and I've had it ever since.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  I would love to see your eBay algorithm.

• 17:55Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  License plates, owner's manuals, weird stuff.

• 17:58Doug DeMuro?

  One thing a lot of people don't know about this car is, uh, that I learned in the owner's manual, it had, it had a keypad to start it. There were not keys.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  Huh.

• 18:08Doug DeMuro?

  So, it's like, they're gonna have to do an L.

• 18:10Speaker 04

  Like a security code or something?

• 18:12Doug DeMuro?

  You typed in a code.

• 18:13Speaker 04

  How many attempts do you get before it locks you auto under?

• 18:15Doug DeMuro?

  It's explained, that is, that exact thing is explained in the owner's manual. The owner's manual is great, it's got all these like hand drawn images of the EV1 and you know, a person jumping out of the way or whatever owner's manuals have.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  You know, it doesn't look that terrible and it kinda looks like a Gen 1 Viper from that particular angle.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a lot, a lot of Gen 1 Viper.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Like in a bad way.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a smushed, melted sort of way.

• 18:35Doug DeMuro?

  My presumption is this was on bill of sale, it said it had to be sold to a Georgia resident, which was odd, and, um, the windshield's broken, which I, you're not, unless you broke, when I was, when I was a student in Atlanta, there was one at Georgia Tech's campus that was just sitting in a parking garage unloved. You break under the.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  It kinda looks like.

• 18:52Doug DeMuro?

  Take that, just take it.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  Flex a glass or something which you could easily make.

• 18:56Doug DeMuro?

  It does kinda look like.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  It's fixable.

• 18:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 18:58Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty cool.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  Please, someone get this back on the road. Sell it on cars and bids.

• 19:02Doug DeMuro?

  Someone will, I mean, to spend over a hundred grand, it's a museum, it's possibly GM themselves, it'd be cool if Jay was, like, I'm sure he wasn't bidding on a random auto auction, but GM would never go after Leno, you know, like if he bought it.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 19:17Doug DeMuro?

  And he'd be into it.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  The bidding, the bidding list would be really interesting rolodex to have.

• 19:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  Yes, it would be.

• 19:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, would have been cool. Ken, why didn't you drop the hundred grand on it?

• 19:26Speaker 03

  Well, you know, it's not really a.

• 19:27Speaker 04

  109. And then I think there was, well, the buyer fees were another 13%. So you're really in like 120.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Nice value. Good value.

• 19:34Doug DeMuro?

  For a car that hasn't run in 25 years. And even then, when it ran, it had 100 mile range and like 90 horsepower.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  Right. You could have that. Or a 575. I think I'd pick the 575. But nonetheless, that is much cooler than a 575. Love to see it run.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  Hmm, I'd take the 575.

• 19:48Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. It'd be cool to see an EV1 like doing its thing.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  You and I are learning with the A2 and multiple, sometimes having.

• 19:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Speaker 04

  Sometimes catching this is not worth the race.

• 19:57Doug DeMuro?

  And multiply.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:58Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 20:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, multiply isn't quite as exciting as we thought, huh?

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• 20:32Speaker 04

  Driving at the Long Beach both ways over the weekend, I'm good for a little while.

• 20:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's the thing. And that's why I'm never doing it again. Uh, okay. Next news story, Nick.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Oh, this must be. Yee-haw. This is mine. There is a, this is just a concept. It's probably not going to happen, although it should. At a real American truck company, not Toyota, uh, has a.

• 20:51Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota builds the trucks with non-union labor. It doesn't get any more American than that. It doesn't get any more red-blooded conservative than that.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  SEMA concept, so it's probably not going to happen. They did The Dude. It is a throwback to an old TV show or something. No one really cares. However, there is a cowboy hat holder on the dashboard. I think it's brilliant, even if it's just a little theater.

• 21:13Doug DeMuro?

  Would Papa, would Papa have put his cowboy hat on?

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Papa had a 94 F-150, and I used to sneak out in the middle of the night, me and my cousin Andrew, and we'd go do donuts in the cornfields. I'd then return it. And I remember one time we got carried away and we had to basically zip tie the bumper back on and then just pray to God none of our parents noticed the next day. So.

• 21:32Doug DeMuro?

  Did he never notice?

• 21:33Speaker 04

  Nope. Mine was a Ford pickup.

• 21:35Doug DeMuro?

  Did you still go out and do the donuts after that?

• 21:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, we, he had a lot of cars, so that was, that was just the one no one cared about.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  God, you've lived such a story.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  The man had two Cadillac Elantes.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  So you think I'm the crazy one in my family. Someone had two.

• 21:48Doug DeMuro?

  Where it started. Cowboy hat holder. So this is a concept only, Nick. This isn't gonna.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  I know. Although it honestly looks no different than like a cellphone holder here. Like this shouldn't be that hard to retrofit. I'm sure there is a startup on Alibaba or Amazon that's already.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Of course, Stetson's gonna bring one out and you know, it'll be an accessory.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  My hat's a Stetson. It would look good like that.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  My am.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  Uh, okay. You could put your little child's helmet on it, too.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  It's Senna's helmet, for God's sake.

• 22:14Doug DeMuro?

  His literal helmet. He wore the.

• 22:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:16Doug DeMuro?

  Wearing it when he crashed.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Must not have worked very well.

• 22:19Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  My God.

• 22:20Doug DeMuro?

  What's our next news story, please?

• 22:22Speaker 03

  All right. Ah, yes, this one's for me. So although this looks like a random drawing, this is very important. Ferrari recently filed a patent. Now, last week, we talked about how Porsche was filing that patent for the W18 engine, which is very.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Ferrari, not to be outdone, also filed a patent, but this one is very interesting because it's about side-exit exhaust. Front engine, side-exit exhaust. Now, I looked a little bit more at the patent, and what's interesting is, in a different picture, they have very clearly it's for a V12. There are two rows of six cylinders, and it all dumps out at the side. Now, one can only imagine that this will be for something in the Icona series, but that said.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  Automobile manufacturers file patents all the time. Doesn't necessarily mean they're going to make a car, but if you had to bet on it, it seems like a front-engine V12 with side-exit exhaust, like an SOR.

• 23:07Speaker 04

  I was gonna say.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Is coming soon. Do you know anything?

• 23:10Speaker 04

  Oh, you mind if V8?

• 23:12Doug DeMuro?

  You ever had a car with side-exit exhaust?

• 23:13Speaker 04

  I sure have. The Viper side-exit. I mean, there's plenty of cars like.

• 23:17Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, but this is in front of like, yes, there are cars like that, but there must be something specific about the routing or like how it's done with emissions.

• 23:23Doug DeMuro?

  Does it bother you that we both have V8 Mercedes convertibles with side-exit exhaust?

• 23:29Speaker 04

  I do want to get a picture with the SLR and the G500 together.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:33Doug DeMuro?

  It's sort of like the stepchildren.

• 23:35Speaker 04

  What year is yours?

• 23:36Doug DeMuro?

  99.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  All right, mine's a little newer.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  That's such a Swiss picture. A SLR and a G-Cab. That feels very.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  And the A2.

• 23:44Doug DeMuro?

  This is really cool, uh, and I am excited to see what turns out from it.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  I am too, and I think this made me think of something deeper, too. It's like, because we've kind of Ferrari, we feel like Ferrari's lost the plot with the supercar thing, you know, 288 through the Enzo makes sense, the Lufreyr, that all makes sense, and now it's gotten kind of weird with the.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  Murky.

• 24:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  I think that the Icona series is now the most desirable cars that they make altogether.

• 24:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, sort of. The SP1 and 2 aren't desirable at all. So you have this weird issue.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  But if, maybe, yes.

• 24:12Doug DeMuro?

  Right?

• 24:12Speaker 03

  I suppose.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  I desire them.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  They're kind of the same code.

• 24:15Doug DeMuro?

  Do you?

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:16Doug DeMuro?

  You know what it is?

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, the, I like the one-seater one version especially.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  I like the SP1 and SP2, to be clear. I think in any V12 car with no windshield is insane.

• 24:25Speaker 04

  I don't know if it belongs in that lineage, but I do.

• 24:28Doug DeMuro?

  I drove it, I thought it was the coolest thing I've ever driven, but, not, that's not.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Gotta wear, gotta wear one of these.

• 24:32Doug DeMuro?

  But, it's not, like, the Daytona SP3 is, like, legit A.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, and if this, whatever this ends up being, if it's a, I don't know why they feel the need to have front exit, side exit exhaust.

• 24:43Doug DeMuro?

  We'll find out.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Why not? So, I don't know. I think, I'm very curious to see if this car ever comes into existence, and if it does.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  It would be cool. Ferrari's SLR.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  Congratulations Ferrari for inventing side exhausts. We're very proud of you.

• 24:54Speaker 03

  The Italians would tell you, they, we invented, it's the exit at the front and the side, this is what we make here, yes?

• 25:01Doug DeMuro?

  They did have in the 50s some cars that had, like, pipes coming off the.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  Well, they were race cars. You just, you know.

• 25:07Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe that's what this would be.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Straight to atmosphere.

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, give us our next news story.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Ah, yes, Rolls-Royce. So this is the Centenary Edition, or the Centenary Edition Rolls-Royce Phantom. Now, they've done this before, or they've done Centenaries for Rolls-Royce as a company. This is for the Phantom nameplate specifically.

• 25:22Doug DeMuro?

  Cool.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  And for our, and Rolls-Royce has gone to exceptional lengths to make this car something very opulent. So they're only gonna build 25 of these to celebrate 100 years of the Phantom.

• 25:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  And they've done a lot to the interior, not all of which I would call tasteful. Uh, this is what they feel.

• 25:39Doug DeMuro?

  Is that like a silver cloud on the?

• 25:40Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:41Doug DeMuro?

  Seats?

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Yes, so they.

• 25:42Doug DeMuro?

  Is that an early, like, an 05 Phantom?

• 25:45Speaker 03

  So there are 77 different hand-stitched motifs in this, and it's all supposed to be around.

• 25:49Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, 77 in?

• 25:50Speaker 03

  In this.

• 25:50Doug DeMuro?

  In one, yes. It's not, you choose between 77.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 25:55Speaker 04

  76 wasn't enough, they said. Our buyers demand more.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  Distilled 77 into this creation, which is, you remember the McLaren with the seats that looked like someone crapped themselves?

• 26:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  Yes, it's not far off being that bad.

• 26:09Doug DeMuro?

  Bad, street art.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  But it does not end there. There are also these, these separate panels that have like forty-five different separate components. There's one on the dashboard that's like this. These ones are maps of their favorite driving roads, which when I think, when I think aggressive driving roads, what I want is a car that weighs more than a planet and has dinner plate wheels.

• 26:27Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Their favorite driving roads?

• 26:30Speaker 03

  That's correct. They, they're, it says specifically, "They're geographical maps with winding routes and sweeping landscapes, floral elements, and depictions for their experimental motor cars." They're the ones that Rolls Royce deemed the most significant.

• 26:42Doug DeMuro?

  Sweeping?

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Formative on their journey for the fans.

• 26:44Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, it looks cool as hell, the exterior. They're only make twenty-five.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I agree. The exterior is beautiful.

• 26:49Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, but, you know, it's, they, so, "The spread of ecstasy is made out of twenty-four karat gold."

• 26:54Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, God.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  So it makes it truly taste like, tastes like car, but the most tasteful thing about it is they said that these cars will sell for approximately three million each.

• 27:01Doug DeMuro?

  Three mil.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Which is a lot more than a normal Phantom.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  That's a lot to tolerate that interior.

• 27:06Doug DeMuro?

  So you could have that?

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 27:07Doug DeMuro?

  Or a ratty F-50?

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Yep, so, yeah, and you get to stare at this.

• 27:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well, thankfully, you don't have to stare at it because you're in the front, which hopefully doesn't look.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  No, no, it's a Phantom. You're being driven. You're in the back. You're stuck staring at this crap.

• 27:19Doug DeMuro?

  Man.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  So, I don't know, it's one of the ugliest interiors I've ever seen.

• 27:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  But, um, you know, but hey, good for Rolls Royce.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  I'm glad they were able to distill it down to just seventy-six, seventy-seven motifs.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  Right, well, hey, for, for seventy-five million dollars they'll bring in? Sure, whatever.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  Imagine you get just like a tiny tear in that upholstery.

• 27:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  Can you patch that up?

• 27:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  Gotta start over.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Right, yeah, you, yeah.

• 27:40Doug DeMuro?

  But you could add some more motifs.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true, that's true.

• 27:43Doug DeMuro?

  If it happened twenty years.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  It's like when you've got your whole arm with a tattoo sleeve, like you just keep adding more.

• 27:48Doug DeMuro?

  You're stuck with that.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Till it's all black.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  I mean, this.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  That, that would be the move, is just to fill the rest in.

• 27:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Just like dump some black paint on it and you have black seats.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  These seats look like they're out of a bus, though. The base cushion looks like that, and that looks like it's out of some.

• 27:59Doug DeMuro?

  I was gonna say.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  Our deco bathroom.

• 28:00Doug DeMuro?

  Looks like a nineties city bus. And then the regulatory seatbelts are so funny. Uh, okay. Is that the end of the news?

• 28:06Speaker 03

  That's the end of the news.

• 28:07Doug DeMuro?

  Thank God. We have to move on to the Talk Cars segment, which is huge this week because we have an actual spot. You know how I always say the Talk Cars segment is sponsored by the Lebo? We have an actual sponsor this week and it's Pilote and they make driving shoes such as these. And they are actually legitimately cool. They look good. Nick?

• 28:27Speaker 04

  I'm actually wearing them. These were not sponsored, which I'm, you know, bummed about. Uh, yeah, no, they've been eaten by my dog, but I, I bought them when I got the Merciolago converted to stick so that I could shift my gears and modulate and heel toe a little bit better with the little rounded things.

• 28:41Doug DeMuro?

  That's the thing that they have roll control heels, which actually help you heel toe. It helps like smoother pedal transitions to help you heel toe. We're going to drive this weekend. I'm going to wear these on the drive. I'm very excited for it.

• 28:53Speaker 04

  You know what's surprising about them is I was like, oh, 200 bucks for like a pair of driving shoes. I don't know. But they're actually really comfortable as normal shoes. Like despite having a flat bottom, like your, your heels don't hurt. So I wear them all around.

• 29:05Doug DeMuro?

  Save them for your driving experience?

• 29:07Speaker 04

  No, I'm, as my dog chewed up soul show, like I'm wearing them as normal shoes.

• 29:12Doug DeMuro?

  These shoes have a thin, flexible sole that provides for better pedal feel and feedback, but the comfort and support is also there for long drives, reducing fatigue. They are very cool. They look very cool. There's a bunch of different styles. Visit piloti.com and use code cars and bids for 15% off. There you go. I'll give you 15% off.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Do I get that in a rear?

• 29:32Speaker 04

  Can you give me like 30 bucks?

• 29:34Doug DeMuro?

  You bought them anyway.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  I know.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  It sounds like you're due for a new pair.

• 29:37Doug DeMuro?

  They sent me these for free. How you feeling?

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Give you 30 bucks.

• 29:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, we got a lot to talk about in the Talk Car segment. This is our most talking.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, we do.

• 29:44Doug DeMuro?

  Talk Car segment in the history of Talk Car segments.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I think the number one thing we got to talk about is, well, wait, let me quickly, let me do a very quick. The Countach I posted on Instagram that it broke down. It was fixed instantly. No big deal. And everybody's like, you were just saying it was reliable. Still is.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  What was it?

• 30:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you want me to find out for you?

• 30:03Speaker 03

  I'd love to. I believe it was something with the distributor I was told.

• 30:06Doug DeMuro?

  The distributor was, the drive gear on the distributor was stripped. They replaced the drive gear, reset the engine timing. They were able to do this, the, the car broke down over the weekend and, and by Monday, it was all good. I'm gonna do a whole video about it on my channel.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  Okay, great.

• 30:22Doug DeMuro?

  But that's the basics and it was no big deal. And I want to say that-

• 30:25Speaker 04

  A whole video on a 24-hour turnaround fix?

• 30:27Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's one of my points.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  Sounds great.

• 30:29Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody's like, "Oh, you were just saying it was reliable and now it jinxed it." As far as I'm concerned, if you're trying to daily-ish a 43-year-old supercar, to have one breakdown and the fix is like this four hours of labor, I'm still feeling it's pretty reliable.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  Right, it is. And ultimately-

• 30:47Doug DeMuro?

  After two and a half years.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  It also kind of underscores like how basic that car actually is. It's not like modern supercars where you figure it out would take, you know, a team of engineers.

• 30:56Doug DeMuro?

  There's all these fears about this car, but like it's just an old car. Now, there's some stuff that's real, but you address that stuff on your schedule when you're supposed to, with maintenance. But, you know, repairs and stuff-

• 31:08Speaker 03

  At the end of the day, it's not that crazy.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Especially a carbureted car, like same with my dad's 67 Mustang. Like distributor cap, take it off, make sure it's not corroded, like clean them, put it back. Like it's-

• 31:18Speaker 03

  You can fix that thing with a screwdriver and a hosepipe.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Couple of gold ones.

• 31:21Doug DeMuro?

  And Nick has done it before.

• 31:22Speaker 04

  I have.

• 31:23Doug DeMuro?

  He and Papa went out there.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  We did.

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• 32:54Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta talk about the SLR. You've announced on your channel-

• 32:57Speaker 04

  The SLR, I'm no longer embargoing myself.

• 33:00Doug DeMuro?

  I watched last week's-

• 33:01Speaker 04

  In part because Hoovy broke my embargo, so-

• 33:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what was that? I watched last week's podcast and you weren't really-

• 33:08Speaker 04

  Hiding it.

• 33:09Doug DeMuro?

  Hiding much.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 33:10Doug DeMuro?

  The car was, was sitting behind-

• 33:13Speaker 04

  I just didn't want to distract from the Merciolo ago while the auction was still live. And also I wanted to have a video to go along with it before I really talked about it. And both of those are true. So the Merciolo, we'll just quickly touch on that since it wasn't, it was partially discussed on the podcast, but got $290,000. The buyer is paid. It actually just got picked up like an hour ago by the shipper-

• 33:31Doug DeMuro?

  It's going to Denver.

• 33:32Speaker 04

  Going to Denver. An enthusiast bought it who has a 355 GTS. A McLaren 650, like a super cool guy. Him and I have been like chatting. He's very much of our, he's like, I create a three-ring binder for every car. And like, so I've sent him all my service records.

• 33:46Doug DeMuro?

  When I was a child in Denver, seeing this would have changed my life.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  You know what's even crazier? There's a guy five minutes from his house that has a Grigio Antares Merciolo Roadster that was also converted by Machina Motors.

• 33:58Doug DeMuro?

  You're kidding.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Five minutes away. So they're gonna have like twin cars, basically. But, uh, so that car sold. I was thrilled with the outcome and now I can like focus on the SLR now that that's like off my plate mentally and a- I cannot tell you how much I love the SLR.

• 34:14Doug DeMuro?

  I'm so thrilled to hear that because there's so much BS about the SLR out there from people who have never even been near one.

• 34:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:20Doug DeMuro?

  People who have never even seen one in their lives. And you've now driven one for quite some time.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  It really, it surprised me. I mean, having never driven one before buying it and it arriving, I was, you expect a Mercedes. Like I was expecting an SL500, a grandpa car. I was expecting it to be like soft, floaty, quiet, compliant, like very usable, but like maybe boring.

• 34:43Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  This car feels so much faster than the Mercy. It just like makes you giggle and squeal like a squirrel girl. Like I scared my wife, like literally the first drive. She's like, please stop doing this. And she's ridden in the Mercia Lago plenty, like, like she was as surprised as I was at just how fast and raw and analog it was.

• 35:00Doug DeMuro?

  At one point Nick texted, uh, we have a group thread, me and Ken and a few other people. And Nick said, my life will be measured in pre, I'm trying to find these. My life will be measured in pre SL, from now on going forward, my life will be measured in pre SLR and post SLR.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:15Doug DeMuro?

  And you said something like, this is the greatest experience I've ever had, or something like that.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  It feels like a religious experience to me. I'm just, I, I, I'm getting like four miles per gallon because it's just like

• 35:27Speaker 04

  and then like, I just like giggle, giggle, giggle, giggle.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Like I'm just doing that over and over again. Like I'm a boy who discovered his first, um.

• 35:36Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 35:36Speaker 03

  What Nick? Finish the thought.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  Dude. Toy car.

• 35:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'm so pumped for you. I think this is so great. I think the SLR is undervalued. I think it is cool as hell to drive. It's sitting over there. I think it is so cool to look at.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  It's very special to look at, but what I'm, what I appreciated over the weekend, so it was my birthday, my wife and I went out on a date, we went to pickleball. No one looked at me.

• 35:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Right? Like I'm used to between the Multipla, the Mercy, even the Bentley, I'm used to getting stared at every time I go somewhere and not a soul ever even looked twice.

• 36:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  And so to me, that's wonderful because I can go places kind of anonymously, but at the same time, like if you're an enthusiast, you look at it and you're like, holy crap, that is neat.

• 36:14Doug DeMuro?

  It is a supercar that you can like really truly use. It is a very usable car.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  They're kind of experiencing what he experienced with the Carrera GT. And that only the people who know, the people who'd actually want to have conversations with us as opposed to what are you doing for a living? And that sort of thing. Those people notice it and everybody else just thinks it's not.

• 36:28Doug DeMuro?

  The drawback of the Carrera GT though is it's so much more fragile. And I think one of the cool things about the SLR is you can use it. Like the approach angles, the departure angles, it's like a normal car.

• 36:37Speaker 04

  It doesn't have axle lift, which is the only bummer relative to the Mercy. I might have scraped the front bumper just to touch.

• 36:44Doug DeMuro?

  What's under there? Like the Countach is no problem to scrape. You just have to paint it every so often.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  There's a, I mean, there's a little overhang of the bumper and then under trace from that.

• 36:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  But, and I just got a little bit of the bumper, but it's going to Kevin for paint protection film tomorrow.

• 36:59Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, good. It doesn't have PPF at all?

• 37:00Speaker 04

  No, and it's only got 4,800 miles. Like the paint's pristine.

• 37:03Doug DeMuro?

  I also think you just bought the perfect one because, because it had had this electrical incident. We're not calling it a fire. It was a flames.

• 37:12Speaker 03

  Just, just like Vietnam was a conflict.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  A minor short, like I've had in my Bentley three times.

• 37:18Doug DeMuro?

  Because it had this incident, you know, it's priced at a level where it should be a higher mileage car priced at that point.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 37:24Doug DeMuro?

  So you can really enjoy the miles without kind of worrying about, even though it's a super low mileage car.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  And ultimately the condition is excellent because it hasn't been driven.

• 37:32Doug DeMuro?

  The silver is beautiful.

• 37:33Speaker 04

  Nicest car I've ever had. Hoovy took good care of it despite his reputation for being a hoop-dee guy. Like,

• 37:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  It needs nothing. It came with a Fleetwood Mac CD in the trunk. Like I'm thrilled.

• 37:43Doug DeMuro?

  Hoovy and April listen to Fleetwood Mac.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  Steely Dan, he blames the previous owner, which was Wayne Carini and Dennis Collins. However, somewhere along that lineage had some boomerish taste to music, which I don't mind. Steely Dan's not so bad, but,

• 37:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:59Speaker 04

  You know?

• 37:59Doug DeMuro?

  Thanks, Trevor. Listen, no offense.

• 38:02Speaker 04

  I assume that's what you listen to.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  You're correct. It is.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  I checked it out. I didn't hate it.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Steely Dan is on the soundtrack of my life.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  All right.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 38:10Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God. Two guys from Ohio talking about Steely Dan. Um, how lovely.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  I'm so thrilled though, and it is funny because you and I have joked that, hey, on the podcast, we say what we're looking to buy, then the cars kind of find us, and that's what happened with the SLR. And I hope that happens with you and your 993.

• 38:29Doug DeMuro?

  I, folks, I'm ready to get a 993 Turbo. I'm ready to get an arena red 993 Turbo. I was on the 993 forums the other day and somebody posted all proudly. They had just bought a 993 Turbo. They had just begun living.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  You know what?

• 38:42Doug DeMuro?

  The dream, the fantasy.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  It's pre 993 Turbo, Doug, and there will eventually be post 993 Turbo.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  I went to Radwood over the weekend and you ruined it for me. Because there was one for sale with the for sale sign at 200,000 miles. Literally everyone came up to me and say, hey, Nick, or whatever. They said, hey, did you see the 993? You should text Doug. You should text Doug. I'm like, I have. He's seen it. He's not interested. It's too many miles. Please like introduce yourself, something else. No, actually legitimately though. Like Radwood was amazing and people were really nice.

• 39:10Doug DeMuro?

  GM EV1, you know, the number of people who sent me the GM EV1. When you get to, when you get to like be like a figure, which are you're now, as far as I'm concerned. The number of people you could, if an SLR is in the news.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:23Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna get hundreds of people, everybody that you've ever met or heard about is gonna send you and be like, here's something and you're gonna have to politely reply.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  Unlike the third podcast we ever did or whatever, I mentioned the Volkswagen Golf, like W12. I, hundreds and hundreds of people sent me.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  It is helpful.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Instagram posts.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  It is helpful. Like when I said I'm looking for a multiple, a lot of people did reach out and give me some legitimate leads on it. So it is good. It just, it's a lot.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, I love it. I'm very happy people think of, think of us.

• 39:54Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, tell me about the 1990s car show that you went to over the weekend.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  1980s and 90s?

• 39:59Doug DeMuro?

  80s and 90s.

• 40:00Speaker 04

  It was actually really, really fun. Um, what I learned about Radwood is, you know, we go to a lot of like cars and coffees and there's Ferrari 458s everywhere and you kind of get like numb to just seeing supercar after supercar after supercar. Radwood brings out the best kind of enthusiasts and the best kind of cars. I mean, there was everything from like a 1980s Ram pickup that was just like Survivor, bone stock to like low riders with graphics and body drops and. There was also some nice cars like the Peterson brought in an EB110 and 959. The multiple was there parked between the porta potties and a Testerosa.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Where it belongs.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  I love it. In art, the director.

• 40:38Doug DeMuro?

  It's like, it's like a.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Yep, it's a graph. It's like the ascendancy.

• 40:41Doug DeMuro?

  It's a graph. Porta potty, the multiple, the Testerosa.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  I think it was intentional and I love it. Like, so everyone there has a sense of humor. The people there are so nice. It felt like a more diverse crowd in a like very, very positive way. Like, people are just into different, like, one person came up to me, goes, you've mentioned on the pod an Acura Vigor. And then put on the screen a legend. And they were like, that really bothered me. And I'm like, that is the type of person that goes to Radwood, you know, like, I, that is a real enthusiast and I loved it.

• 41:09Doug DeMuro?

  For whoever that was, that bothers me too. The Vigor, as we all know, was a five cylinder.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Like an Audi.

• 41:15Doug DeMuro?

  Um, we've had some five cylinders.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, we have, we have.

• 41:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Double down.

• 41:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  Um, so yeah, it was, it was a thrill. I did not win anything, which I was.

• 41:23Doug DeMuro?

  I was gonna say, you didn't win? The last time you were at Radwood, you won.

• 41:26Speaker 04

  I did. I did. I was hoping for it to be, I think I needed like graphics and a little bit more 90s flair, although I wore neon green hammer pants, a pink ball cap. Like, I tried really hard.

• 41:36Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with your assessment of Radwood. I think Radwood is a super fun event. I've only went to one because I, they're always in LA.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  This one was way better than the, the last one that you and I went to.

• 41:44Doug DeMuro?

  The one I went to was when you showed your XP8, your Saline Explorer, and you won, with the best SUV, right?

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, Ratus.

• 41:50Doug DeMuro?

  At Ratus SUV, and it was a killer. My Countach won Ratus car at Radwood 2018 or something.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  There was a 40th anniversary there.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Covenant.

• 41:57Doug DeMuro?

  40th anniversary.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  20, 25th anniversary.

• 42:00Doug DeMuro?

  He's still a mercy, he's a mercy guy at heart.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  See, Elliot.

• 42:03Doug DeMuro?

  Um, but it is such a fun show. And I'll tell you something, as a guy who like really lived through that era and is into those, and has driven all the supercars, the stuff that's more appealing to me now is like the Survivor caravans and Acura Viggers and things like that.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  Everybody took care of an F40, so few people took care of those cars. And that's just, I would, it really catches your eye when you see a clean one.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. And there was, everything there was like, just.

• 42:24Doug DeMuro?

  And that's what I remember from going to, the one that you and me went to when he was showing his car. Like, clean, like Mazda 626, like, stuff that just shouldn't have been saved.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Remember two things about that, and on the way there, we saw a 355 broken.

• 42:35Doug DeMuro?

  Broken down on the

• 42:36Speaker 03

  You said to me, you sure you want to buy a 355? I did anyway.

• 42:39Doug DeMuro?

  It wasn't even Redwood related, it was on the 73, it was like two hours before.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  But they were headed, I think I know where the 355 was. Yeah, absolutely. They would have gotten there about the same time, I think it was.

• 42:48Doug DeMuro?

  It was Orange County.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was always Orange County.

• 42:50Speaker 04

  I was pleased the multiple, despite it being like a lot of time in that car. It does freeway speeds fine, like it, it got me there and back without issue or drama, which it is not, a lot of folks there are like, the one guy was like, I had a broken foot, I drove down from like Seattle or somewhere crazy, and I realized mid-drive the cruise control didn't work. You know, like people really sacrificed to get their cars there and I'm like, yeah, it was like a hour and a half leisurely drive in the morning.

• 43:15Doug DeMuro?

  And the multiple is so cool, there must have been, it must have been a huge hit.

• 43:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, a lot of people came up, super excited about it.

• 43:19Doug DeMuro?

  Who knew about, they've been watching or they're just, just people who are like, who are you and why?

• 43:22Speaker 04

  I think both. Yeah, I mean, a few people came up to me like crazy, Nick, and I'm not used to being recognized or called crazy by strangers, but like, get used to it. That was really fun. And then other people are just like, what on earth is this thing? And then you get to explain it and I just hung out around the car most of the time, watching people engage with the car and be impressed by the car and it made my day. Like I had such a fun time.

• 43:43Doug DeMuro?

  I'm glad to hear it. I'm sad I couldn't go, I was out of town. I love Redwood, I love going to Redwood. And if they ever did one in San Diego.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  I know.

• 43:49Doug DeMuro?

  It would change my life. They think SoCal is LA. What about us?

• 43:54Speaker 04

  It is, it is just far enough, especially since you, you can't leave early, so you, if you're showing your car, you're committed.

• 44:00Doug DeMuro?

  The whole day.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  So I left at like 7:30 AM and I think I got home at 6.

• 44:04Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, that's the problem.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  It's a long day.

• 44:06Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of the whole day, Kennan has an experience that he did. Kennan went to Mexico City this week for the Formula One race.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Yes, as I mentioned, I went to see, to see the Grand Prix from our friend Kevin's bachelor party and you couldn't be there because you were out of town, you couldn't be there because it was your birthday. But it was awesome. We had a great time. Mexico City is an amazing place. And the car enthusiasts in Mexico City are wild. Like there, there is some great stuff there. A lot of it is hidden, admittedly, but like, there's some amazing cars there. We, we just went and got dinner at like this bar that was just like around. And we were talking to the, like, a, um, it was an Expedition, an Eddie Bauer Expedition drove by.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  And like, we were all freaking out over that and they like knew we were car people, so they like brought their phones up and like, cars and it was like they're flipping through like McLaren, Fiat, whatever, and then E39M5 and I lost.

• 44:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  I was thrilled about, but we went to the race and the race was so much fun. In case you don't know, the, the circuit cuts through an old baseball stadium. So it's like, I've seen the actual track goes through the middle, which is really cool. Um, and it's very hard on the cars because you're at high elevation. So brakes are, cooling is a problem in general. So they run like special engine covers like just huge slices in them. The race itself wasn't super.

• 45:12Doug DeMuro?

  I saw a track marshal almost got hit. Were you there for that?

• 45:14Speaker 03

  No, that was a different corner, but that was crazy. Uh, and that, that was like the FAA is investigating that and how that happened. It was a wild race. A lot happened, but the coolest thing I think that you two would appreciate at the beginning was the driver parade. This happened like there are a number of manufacturers, you know, obviously make cars as well in distance to race cars. So they put the drivers in equivalents of what those cars are. For McLaren, they had an MP412C Spider for some reason.

• 45:38Doug DeMuro?

  Cause it was local.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  Cause it was local. Well, you know what else was local? An F50 and a LaFerrari Peerta. And so Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc were in a, the blue carbon F50, which everybody was freaking out about like, oh, it's the rare blue carbon. It's like, well, it's modified. The car started out, it's like red, but it was nonetheless, it's like, we, we didn't know it was going to be there. We just saw this F50 on the track. It's like, oh my God.

• 46:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  And then they got in and just like sat on the engine cover.

• 46:03Doug DeMuro?

  I saw that. I was shocked by that.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  I, cause yeah, I've held.

• 46:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's like how those driver parades go. They leave the.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. And the LaFerrari Peerta too, because the Ferrari engine powers some of, some of their cars, like their, their, their drivers in those two, but like, it was just like so cool to see.

• 46:16Doug DeMuro?

  Does it trouble you that the highlight of the Formula One race was when a street car drove around the track?

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Well, and as an F1, a real F1 engine, something you could aspire to.

• 46:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Like, just like my career.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  My highlight of that photo was Max Verstappen just behind the F50 in a Ford Mustang base model that looked like he went to Hertz. And they're like, oh, for $10 more, you can get a convertible.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  Like, why did they not try at all?

• 46:40Doug DeMuro?

  Use local people's cars.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Yes, and admittedly, I mean, not all of the manufacturers then make those cars. There are like ender, engine manufacturers, like your SLR could have been, could be a Formula One.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  Be a lot cooler than a V6.

• 46:53Doug DeMuro?

  Cadillac's running, they're gonna have people in the.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  Well, that was the other thing, the number.

• 46:57Doug DeMuro?

  Devils.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because Sergio Perez, Mexican driver, is going to drive for Cadillac next year. The number of like Cadillac hats and things was always tense, which is cool. I'm excited to see another team on the grid, two technically outies gonna replay Sauber. But nonetheless, it was like, yeah, the race was exciting for me in that a Ferrari finished second, which is kind of sad, that's why we have to celebrate, but that's their, you know, first podium of the year, which is kind of sad.

• 47:21Doug DeMuro?

  Is that true?

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Um, or, uh, it's not their first podium of the year, but it's like, it was looking like they were going to like, we're gonna have a Lewis Hamilton two, like Charlotte Clark and Lewis Hamilton. Unfortunately, Hamilton ran a penalty, 10 seconds, didn't end up on the podium. But nonetheless.

• 47:36Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing like a good penalty.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  But they didn't win, which was sad. Lando Norris won the race, but we were really hoping Ferrari would win. But nonetheless, they at least were standing on the top steps.

• 47:45Doug DeMuro?

  I'm proud of you, I'm glad you like Mexico City. I think Mexico City is one of the coolest places. My personal view on, take on the car scene in Mexico City was not as positive as yours. Uh, I, I, though I did enjoy the smattering of Dodge Neons from all generations.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  I enjoyed that too, saw a neon SRT4, which is very cool.

• 48:01Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, a reel in Mexico City.

• 48:03Doug DeMuro?

  But I deeply love Mexico City, uh, and it sounds like a cool place to go see a Formula One race.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Oh, really cool. And I highly recommend that if anybody get, if you're a Formula One fan, you've never been to a race, find one that is accessible to you. I highly encourage you to look at going to foreign countries. It's expensive to get there, but once you are, the tickets aren't so bad. Um, but it's so cool to see the cars and hear the cars and smell them and like the whole thing in person. It's a much different experience and everyone should do it, if you can.

• 48:26Doug DeMuro?

  Have you been to a Formula One race?

• 48:28Speaker 04

  I went to Vegas for FP1 and that was the year that then someone ran over a manhole and they shut it all down. So of course, I saw like a lap of a free practice one, but that's it.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  But you got to meet David Coulthard, didn't you?

• 48:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, yeah, it was, we were like VIP with the whole track set thing.

• 48:44Doug DeMuro?

  It was, next year, let's you and me go to Vegas together, just the two of us.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Can your SLR?

• 48:49Speaker 03

  There's still time.

• 48:50Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, okay, this year. Anyway, Formula One, Kennan, Sauna 50, that's the highlight of the Formula One experience.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  That's a pretty good weekend.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  It's pretty good. And we celebrated Kevin, that's what really counts.

• 48:59Doug DeMuro?

  I got two talk cars things I want to talk about, can you pull up the slides, please?

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 49:04Doug DeMuro?

  That's a Mercedes GLK.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  I've seen one.

• 49:06Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, these, these, these talk car segments are only for the viewers. The two, these two will not care about either one. I'm doing these only for you, watching at home.

• 49:17Doug DeMuro?

  This is a Mercedes Benz GLK. I was in Washington DC all week. Not a lot of cool cars there. So anyway, Mercedes Benz GLK, normal GLK, regular model, base model GLK 350. Except, except, look a little closer, can it? There's a picture of the GLK on the GLK.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Well, that's suspicious.

• 49:36Doug DeMuro?

  You ever see that before?

• 49:38Speaker 04

  I have because you texted it to me two days ago and I didn't care then.

• 49:41Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you something.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  Still don't care now.

• 49:43Doug DeMuro?

  If you're a car enthusiast, you still don't put a picture of your car on your car.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  No, because I remember what it looks like.

• 49:48Doug DeMuro?

  But if you have a GLK, you especially don't put a picture of your car on your car.

• 49:54Speaker 03

  But it makes me wonder, we had that GLK with the V8 swap, the guy did the manual thing.

• 49:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you think that's this?

• 49:59Speaker 03

  Well, this guy might be an enthusiast, maybe it says 350.

• 50:02Doug DeMuro?

  There's no enthusiast who owns a GLK, there's not one. I don't even know how you'd get one of these decals.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  You have, you have some crazy shirts of cars that are very obscure. You're right, though, I don't know what's going, I'd love to know the story.

• 50:13Doug DeMuro?

  How do you, if you have a GLK, how do you care enough to put a GLK sticker on your GLK?

• 50:19Speaker 04

  Doug is the kind of guy that...

• 50:20Speaker 03

  They love it.

• 50:21Doug DeMuro?

  Would put a GLK sticker on GLK, but I would never have a GLK in the first place. I promise you, 90% of people who have GLKs don't know what they're driving.

• 50:30Doug DeMuro?

  Period.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  I love the GLK.

• 50:32Speaker 04

  That was just what was in stock.

• 50:33Doug DeMuro?

  Or like what their parents bought them as a used car, because this is a $7,000 used car now. Please bring up the next slide, which is this. Now Nick, are you aware of why this is special?

• 50:42Speaker 04

  The wheels imply that it is a heavy duty version.

• 50:45Doug DeMuro?

  The wheel, very good, that's very good.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  That's all I know.

• 50:48Doug DeMuro?

  This is a guy who grew up with horses.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  Those, those windows also look to be like bulletproof or...

• 50:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it looks armored.

• 50:53Doug DeMuro?

  If you spend any time in, in Washington DC, you will see armored, heavy duty Yukons and Suburbans. They're common. However, this one is particularly interesting and you'd have to have quite an eye to notice. And there'll be nine viewers who are going to be like, yeah. They're, they never made, GM at any point in the history of the Suburban, never made a short wheelbase heavy duty. But this is a short wheelbase heavy duty. And not only that, but it's a Denali.

• 51:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:20Doug DeMuro?

  So some, some big wig is getting driven around in a non-existent short wheelbase heavy duty. And in a Denali. What is, our tax dollars aren't going to put these people in base models anymore. They want luxury. This is a crazy car. If you're into these like high, heavy duties GM SUVs, and there is a group of people who are really into them, this is a really unusual vehicle.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  It looks weird being that short.

• 51:45Doug DeMuro?

  It does look very weird. Heavy duty shouldn't be that short. The eight lug wheels, it's crazy. Obviously, it's also bulletproof, but a lot of these big SUVs in DC are bulletproof. But this is a really unusual car to see a shorty heavy duty and to see a Yukon being used, or a Denali being used for this purpose.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  You know what they're not using? Toyota Sequoia. You know why?

• 52:05Doug DeMuro?

  Why?

• 52:06Speaker 04

  Because they want an American car.

• 52:07Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the Sequoia, it's actually an interesting point. The Sequoia is built in the United States, and so it would qualify for the Buy American Act. They should be using Sequoias.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  I think it's great that they're using Denali's. Big fan.

• 52:19Doug DeMuro?

  You're cool with the fact that they're driving around in ventilated rear seats?

• 52:23Speaker 04

  I mean, it's not like it's an IQ. There's levels. It's not a Range Rover full-size, which is what they really wanted, and they settled with a Denali.

• 52:31Doug DeMuro?

  What do you think Papa would say about his tax dollars going to buy these people luxury cars?

• 52:37Speaker 04

  He would say, at least it's not a Cadillac.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  At least it's not a Cadillac.

• 52:40Doug DeMuro?

  It is never a Cadillac.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  I have driven thousands of Cadillacs, well, hundreds.

• 52:44Doug DeMuro?

  But it's the same thing. Denali is an Escalade. Yeah, but this is a cool car. If you're into this stuff, please leave a comment and make sure, and let me know that I'm not the only one.

• 52:55Doug DeMuro?

  Our Talk Car segment is done. Oh, unless you want to talk about the A2.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  So the Audi A2. So I was here late at the office the other night, cleaning the M5, getting it dialed in, and I went to leave, and it was very misty, and I don't like to, I had just been hours making the car perfect. And I was like, oh, I could drive whatever, but then I noticed that the Audi A2 was looking lonely in the car. So I grabbed the keys. And I was also like, you know what? It needs to be driven because you're not really driving it, and there's anybody else.

• 53:18Doug DeMuro?

  No, not really. I filmed one video with it, and I haven't touched it since then. To all those who believe that it's my car.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  Right, so I went, it's the company's car, so I went and drove it with those embarrassing plates that you got. And it's a perfectly acceptable, boring car. I really love the shifter. The clutch is not very good. It's well-made. It's well-thought-out, and I thought it was actually kind of enjoyable. It was fun driving a little car for the first time in a long time. And it's very odd. It has some odd things. When you downshift, it won't let you do full throttle to like blip. It like limits how much you can do. You can only do like a third throttle. It's like.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  Doesn't want you to get too crazy.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  Too bad they didn't have that in the.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe it's just that slow to rev.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  No, well, that too. But I actually really enjoy driving it and it is, nobody notices it.

• 54:06Speaker 04

  No, yeah, for sure. Everyone enjoys driving it the first time. Yep.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  Maybe if it's misty again, I'll drive it a second time.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  Not, not worth it.

• 54:15Speaker 03

  Not worth it, but I enjoyed it. Needs windshield wipers and alignment, but outside of that, it's a.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  It drives much nicer than the multiple. However, the multiple is weird enough that it at least evokes like joy and

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Well, I am curious about that.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  People versus the A2 is just like forgettable.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  I am curious about that because it sounds like you're kind of implying that.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm daily driving it. So unlike it like, and I have had some people like actually stop like in traffic in a turn lane and be like, Oh my gosh, I've been wanting to see that. So like it, it, it's fun to daily it for that perspective, but like The Bentley is like, if I'm taking my kids somewhere like that has 600 foot pound of torque and is like actually fun to drive. The multiple is like, it's 100 horsepower diesel.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  What is the latest on the Bentley, Nick? Is it running?

• 54:57Speaker 04

  Uh, it's on its third mechanic in three months. They texted today. It's been there a week saying they're gonna start work on it today.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  This is why I never want to own an Arnage.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  It's gonna be sold as soon as I can get it fixed, which may never happen.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  What a disaster.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  It is as bad as everyone warned me.

• 55:15Speaker 03

  Well, you bought a bad one also. I understand a new, a nicer one would maybe eventually get this one. And you worked out with the battery plugged in.

• 55:22Doug DeMuro?

  Will you admit now that maybe going the dug route sometimes and buying a nicer one so you don't have to do all this BS? Maybe is a good idea.

• 55:31Speaker 04

  But this one was purple.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  There'll be no.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  Purple, no reserve. It was a deal.

• 55:38Doug DeMuro?

  It was a deal because it was trash and it hasn't run right since you bought it a year ago.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  It ran well for a couple of months until Sean borrowed it.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Dude, you're gonna get destroyed.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  I'm gonna get destroyed. I thankfully walked away with the mercy with a little spending change in my pocket.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  It's all going to the.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Cancel out the Arnage.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  If you had just spent up the equivalent amount that you spent on a nice Arnage, it wouldn't have.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  I agree, but then what, what, what, what, you know, what would be the fun in that?

• 56:01Doug DeMuro?

  A functional car.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  I could go buy a Denali and whoo, whoop de doo.

• 56:05Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you that it's more enjoyable for the content to have a car that has some foibles. But your Anas has not been running right in a year.

• 56:13Speaker 04

  I've driven it like twice in the last two months and both times are to or from a mechanic. So yeah, it's a little tiresome.

• 56:21Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta move on to the market report, which we don't have much time for because the questions this week are very good. Let's talk market report and specifically, Nick, start us off with the R63.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Since I got the SLR all of two weeks ago, I've been obsessed with the idea of getting an R63. What I have found is-

• 56:37Doug DeMuro?

  Why? Because you want like to be a Mercedes?

• 56:39Speaker 04

  The ultimate two-car combo. I would ideally like silver, but what I found is there were not many R63s to begin with. So often there's none for sale or there's like A1 for sale. Most of them are miled up, meaning well over 100,000 miles.

• 56:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  A lot of them are modified because like it was mostly owned by enthusiasts at this point. A lot of them are wrecked as well because they were not preserved. You drove them. So usually it's 6,000, 100,000 miles plus, an accident on the Carfax, some mods that are questionable. This has none of that. It's what 60-some thousand miles. It is no accidents. They did the head bolts. It is beautiful. Yes. So like this is a, I won't say once in a lifetime opportunity, but it's one where find me another one. Find me another one this nice. So I want to buy one, but it's also, this is like the opposite of my Bentley. It's too nice for me. The SLR owner too affordable.

• 57:29Doug DeMuro?

  You could use this though.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  Oh, and it's got three rows. I mean, this, this solves every problem I have in life and then some.

• 57:35Doug DeMuro?

  Are you gonna bet?

• 57:36Speaker 04

  I'm just gonna comment and pull a Filippo here.

• 57:39Doug DeMuro?

  Really? Because this is-

• 57:41Speaker 04

  It's a pretty-

• 57:45Doug DeMuro?

  That's a Filippo.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  I should bet on it.

• 57:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, why not? Nick, you're about to sell the Bentley in theory.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I really need to sell the Bentley first.

• 57:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but these never come up, like you said. So I looked it up. They sold 113 in North America. And they only, and two other good things about it.

• 58:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:02Doug DeMuro?

  They only made about 200 globally, so it's super rare. And it was built in Alabama, so Papa would be happy.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Papa would be very proud. The important part too is-

• 58:13Speaker 04

  I forgot. There was an important part to it though.

• 58:15Doug DeMuro?

  You're not interested in this?

• 58:16Speaker 04

  I'm no, I'm very interested in it. I think it will set a new high watermark for the R63 because it is so clean compared to a lot of the other ones that have sold.

• 58:25Doug DeMuro?

  I wish it had the original wheels. These are GL63 wheels, which probably fit the R63 a little better. However, I really love, and finding a set of these is like, I mean, there's only 200 of these cars. So it's basically.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  But also, I mean, this one we sold last year, Nick, and this was 35 and had 140,000 miles. So like, you're right.

• 58:41Doug DeMuro?

  They often get miled up. The one that I did a video on, which was years ago, it was this like Ukrainian dude in Philly and it had a rebuilt title and a ton of miles. But it was like an R63. It was what I could find.

• 58:52Speaker 04

  It also feels like this is the ultimate multipla. Like it's kind of the same shape and ugliness as a multipla, but with the 6.2 liter V8, you know?

• 59:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yep, I agree.

• 59:02Speaker 04

  Awesome.

• 59:02Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. I will tell you, having driven one, one of the few people in the world who has.

• 59:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's not a dynamic masterpiece.

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• 59:37Speaker 03

  It's just a minivan with a big engine.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  That's probably why people mod them is to try to make it a little bit more engaging, like an RS6 where it's.

• 59:44Doug DeMuro?

  I do think it's cool as hell.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Oh, it's so cool. I've only ever seen two my entire life.

• 59:48Doug DeMuro?

  I've seen a very, very.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  It seems like a lot of them that I've seen across the web sell plus or minus 40, which is still a lot of, I mean, it's, it's a lot for this era 6.2 AMG otherwise.

• 59:58Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of the, an E-Class, an E63 sedan is like a 15 car.

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  And an R320 or whatever is like a $5,000 car.

• 1:00:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  But I think this one will do much better than that, just given how well-kept it was. And people that aren't as stupid as me buying a, a beat up Bentley that, that will pay an extra for that.

• 1:00:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, on the subject of Mercedes-Benz, I want you to bid on this car, legit. I think you really should. This will hold its value like crazy. The headwinds are done. You're going to regret not buying this car if you don't buy it.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  I am going to regret buying it.

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  Another one will not come up for over a year.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  Think about how cool we can look at Car Week, rolling deep in this thing.

• 1:00:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's so cool.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Mercedes themselves brought one to Car Week last year, remember? It was a red one.

• 1:00:34Doug DeMuro?

  That's right, that's right.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  So of those 200, Mercedes corporate of America owns at least one of them.

• 1:00:39Doug DeMuro?

  And it's 200 globally. It's only 113 for North America.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Doug DeMuro?

  And some of them are probably.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  So it leaves 112 for the rest of us.

• 1:00:46Doug DeMuro?

  And apparently seven of those were in Canada. And Alabama built. Non-union.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Uh, I want to talk E55 real quick. We just sold a really nice, you can just type E55. We just sold a really nice, this one, a 2001 E55. Oh, one is a facelift car. Uh, scroll down. It was like 60,000 miles, 70,000 miles, very low for this powertrain. That's like barely getting broken in. It was, um, so facelift cars were oh, one, oh, two only. 17 grand. This car is still a bargain.

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Doug DeMuro?

  I owned one of these. It is the car that I most think about that I sold. It is not my yellow Defender, which was so associated with me. It is this car. I loved my 210 E55, especially one that hasn't been miled up, which is getting harder and harder to find. And especially not a pre-facelift car, which just wasn't as nice inside or out. This is a really nice car, really good miles, and it's only 17 grand. It's fun to drive. It's reliable. It's fast. It's better than an E39M5. There's a lot of great things about it.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Every magazine test from the period disagrees with that, and so do I. Uh, but it is.

• 1:01:52Doug DeMuro?

  For 17, though.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  But for, that's the thing. E39M5 values have gone.

• 1:01:55Doug DeMuro?

  What would a 72,000 mile, nice E39M5 sell for?

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  35 probably more than that, maybe for an 01. But yeah, I mean, I agree. I think the T10 is one of the most compelling cars Mercedes-Benz made. I think they are dramatically undervalued and they shouldn't be. Uh, and.

• 1:02:10Doug DeMuro?

  They're getting harder to find in nice shape. And they've come up, like I bought basically this exact same car in Atlanta 12 years ago for 12 grand. They've come up.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  Barely.

• 1:02:20Doug DeMuro?

  But not much.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  Inflation has kept pace with that, so.

• 1:02:24Doug DeMuro?

  Look at the interior too. These interiors hold up, like shockingly well. I, I don't necessarily know that they hold up in terms of design and style, but the materials are high quality. They're really nice and they generally don't get a lot of the cracks and stuff that you see in the, uh, 124s. And even some of the later cars. I love those things.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  This one's worn, but not crazy. Um, but I, I, and it just looks, the side profile, look at those.

• 1:02:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Great. Truly, this car drives great, too. It is a great powertrain that just feels smooth, smooth and powerful at all parts of the rev range. There's no waiting for a turbo to spool. There's no peaky BS like in certain other brands' cars from this era.

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  But I love these cars. My grandfather had a 210 E420. Yes, GD, you called him for granddad GD. He had an E420 for the longest time, and I always looked at the 55. I was like, oh, man, I wish he got the 55. But I love, I love the 210. They're so solidly made and I just adore those cars.

• 1:03:20Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's incredibly cool. I can't believe there's still only this much money. I thought they were gonna take off and that, that was gonna be that, and they never really.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  The transmission is not inspiring, I think.

• 1:03:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's not, but, but I would daily the hell out of this car. Like, it's not a car I would take on back roads or, but if you're looking for like a fun daily, it is reliable, it is holding its value, it holds up well, it's not that expensive to own compared to a lot of other AMG cars. It is a very reasonable car for this money. I think it's, if, if you got 20 grand and you wanted a fun daily, buy that. Or a Z06. Kennan, you gotta give us your market report, 512TR.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, we have a very cool 512 Testeros on the site. Now, I always, always love the 512TR. I think the, the improvements they did to this car dramatically changed the, the Testeros platform. They got real, they like loaded the engine because they got rid of the subframe that sits in, so it handled much better. They've added magnesium wheels, much better suspension geometry, revises styling a little bit. Much better car than.

• 1:04:12Doug DeMuro?

  Looks better, interior's better.

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  It just is better. But the interesting thing about this one is that it is a Euro and it has miles on it, quite a few miles. 120,000 kilometers, which is good for the guy who drove this thing, which is nuts on one of these cars. Because think about how many times that engine has been in and out and in and out of that engine paper belt. Probably quite a lot.

• 1:04:33Doug DeMuro?

  This car, despite the plates, which are from Vienna and Austria, it's, it is in the US, it is on a US title.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's in Washington, I believe.

• 1:04:40Doug DeMuro?

  And.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  Washington State.

• 1:04:42Doug DeMuro?

  What a crazy thing. What a crazy, no comps.

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  No, Chris Harris's 512TR has a ton of miles on it, too. I think.

• 1:04:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, those pop ups.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Like 150,000 kilometers or something. And he, and he drives it a lot, that great view of him sliding around the south of France. Like, but I, I think this is such a compelling. Such a compelling car. I'm really curious where it ends up because 512 TRs are really valuable cars.

• 1:05:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  In the 300s regularly.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  But almost all of them have very.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  No miles and are US cars. So I'm very curious to see where this one ends up.

• 1:05:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  Really appealing to someone who likes to drive cars like me.

• 1:05:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I agree. I am very curious to see also. It's at 105. It just, it just goes listed.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  Yep. I, I love, I love high mileage Ferraris. My 355 had a lot of miles on it too. So, um, very curious to see where it ends up. God, it looks good.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  Those side straights.

• 1:05:27Doug DeMuro?

  It does look good. Oh. Uh, on to the questions, questions, questions, questions. The questions are, this week are sponsored by Pilote. Now they're not actually, but you know what? God love them for sponsoring.

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

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• 1:05:41Doug DeMuro?

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• 1:05:47Speaker 04

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• 1:05:48Speaker 03

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• 1:05:52Speaker 04

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• 1:05:54Doug DeMuro?

  What would you do with yours?

• 1:05:56Speaker 04

  Advairum.

• 1:05:56Doug DeMuro?

  What would you do with the existing ones that were chewed by the dog?

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  Um, well, I'd just get a different color.

• 1:06:02Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Um, so you already even have the, this would just be supplemental, really.

• 1:06:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. Some people have more than one pair of shoes.

• 1:06:10Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, true. Okay. Uh, this is, there's great questions this week and we don't have as much time for it as I wish we did. First question from Ford Prefect. Question for Kennan. Kennan, as much as you like the N A Miata, why not just go ahead and get one? The purchase price is low. It isn't going to lose value. It'll keep miles off the M5. You'll have a great time driving it. It's cheap to own and Emily is sure to love it.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  All very good points. Uh, I think the, the reason I, the reason is that it is, I like cars with very big engines. It's the kind of type of car that I like. My M5 has a large engine. Other cars I'm looking at have very large engines. The Dodge Viper has a large, I just, I like lots of torque and power. And admittedly, that's the complete opposite and of the specter of what an N A is. I, the other thing is that like, I can kind of own an N A whenever. They're, they'll always be around. Uh, and I, I want something that's a little bit more esoteric and, and admittedly to me like something that I, I just like lost after a little bit more. I love the Miata. I suspect I will own one and maybe an S 2002 at some point. For now, I'm kind of focused on, I just want something crazy.

• 1:07:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's all reasonable. That is a reasonable response. Nick, why don't you have an N A Miata?

• 1:07:11Speaker 04

  I don't approve.

• 1:07:13Doug DeMuro?

  There's room for an NA.

• 1:07:14Speaker 04

  I've got like six cars right now.

• 1:07:17Doug DeMuro?

  That's how you know you have a problem. If you don't even have room for an NA.

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:20Doug DeMuro?

  You, there's issues.

• 1:07:22Speaker 03

  Right, that, yeah.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  I would like to at least experience something out of more and I think if I ever started tracking more, that would be my easy first choice.

• 1:07:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:29Speaker 04

  Just like a good track toy, but.

• 1:07:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I mean, yeah, those.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  The, the, the person asking the question is correct that you do want to buy that now, like when you do have kids and dogs and stuff like that suddenly becomes a lot more limiting versus if you're just a single dude and you're driving in A2 because it's misting out, a Miata might be a decent choice.

• 1:07:49Doug DeMuro?

  Of course, this, he says this, since he's had kids. He had a Murcielago and an SLR.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Right, he had way less cars before he had kids.

• 1:07:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about. I will say, he's talking about getting a track car. Remember, this dude money shifted and dropped a motor and he's over here, I want a track car. Be careful.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  You money shift a Miata, it's like a $300 repair. They got those engines at Pep Boys, you know?

• 1:08:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from Charlie XC90, question for everyone, you are all relatively similar ages and I notice you tend to think the peak era from the car was the 90s and into the 2000s, due to them being the perfect balance of modern and analog. Do you think you would retain this opinion if you had been born earlier or later? Yes, that is objective truth.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  I understand where they're coming from, uh, but I, I, having thought, I'm lucky enough to have experienced cars from the 60s and 70s and, and earlier. Uh, and there, it is a, it is a really finite period of time where they became really, it was the perfect cross-section of everything.

• 1:08:42Doug DeMuro?

  And fast, reliable, and yet not hybridized automatics.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Not too big.

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  Oh, you're arguing that you would still be interested in the 2000s era.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I think objectively looking at the entire history of the automobile. I think it was a really golden time that people don't appreciate enough.

• 1:08:57Doug DeMuro?

  I think the 60s were also.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  The 60s were also because of regulation for design and they were.

• 1:09:01Doug DeMuro?

  Design is unbelievable.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  But you, you can't argue that cars from the 1960s weren't exactly what you'd call reliable compared to modern cars later.

• 1:09:07Doug DeMuro?

  And that's the benefit that the mid 2000s cars have and, and the reason that we don't like newer, which I think is really the implication of the question, what if you were younger, would you be like into the 2010s? Probably you don't know any better. That's what, that's what youth is. Um, however, um.

• 1:09:24Doug DeMuro?

  The best cars came out of the mid 2000s.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  I agree with you all on the premise that those were the best cars, to me too.

• 1:09:30Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's objective.

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  No, again, Papa, rest in peace. He was into 30s town cars and such because that was like of the era. My dad and his generation is super into muscle cars in the 60s. I do think that there is like an outlier decade that it's usually when you were in high school, it was those cars, plus or minus. So like those, and I do think like, okay, that will happen again. But like, I think it is a function of when and where you were born.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  I see, that's what we're arguing is that it actually, it isn't in this case.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  I know, I'm counter arguing.

• 1:10:01Doug DeMuro?

  I understand, and I get that argument, and I think it's totally reasonable.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  I think it's wrong.

• 1:10:08Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's wrong. I just think that the mid 2000s had this, had this thing that nothing else in the history of the car had previously ever had. In the 60s, they would have thought they had it too. Because it was as reliable and as fast as cars become. But we now have the benefit of hindsight. We know what happened after that, which is, it's, in the 60s, you look at the 60s and you'd say, these were the best cars. The 70s cars were terrible, even most of the 80s were pretty bad. And so you'd say the 60s were this amazing time, but we've now, we're now 20 years removed from this mid 2000s period. And I wouldn't say that the things that make us love the mid 2000s cars have gotten better in terms of cars. The analog has been lost, the screens have taken over, the electronics have taken over, automatics have taken over, hybrids have taken over.

• 1:10:53Doug DeMuro?

  And to me, that kind of goes back to suggest that this mid 2000s was sort of the 60s on steroids. It was like all those 60s cars that were amazing, but now modern and great.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  You know, really, I was driving an E28 M5 recently, and a video will be coming out about that shortly, I'll talk about it more later on. But I was, there was a period of time where like, you got to the 60s and then the 70s cars got bad. It was like, if you look at it as like a curve, right? And then you went up, and then from there, every successive car got better and better and better. The next one was going to be better than the one that became before it. But that really did hit a plateau, and that's kind of where I think we are now.

• 1:11:28Doug DeMuro?

  In our opinion. Now, who's gonna argue? That, well, if you're a teenager now, you think the Revuelto is the coolest thing ever made.

• 1:11:35Speaker 03

  It is cool. Every generation has their pinup Lamborghini. That is true. But I think for someone to actually go and drive and use these cars, I think you'd be more blown away by the experience of some of the older.

• 1:11:46Doug DeMuro?

  I do think from a driver's perspective, it's hard to ignore that the cars more recently have become more sanitized, more plug-in hybrid, more automatic.

• 1:11:55Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:11:55Doug DeMuro?

  And the mid 2000s cars gave you a similar, like, fast, but still had all those benefits. And I think that's where they really hit.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Two things here. One, we need to start our own event that's like Radwood, but only for 2000 to 2009, give or take.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  That would be awesome.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

  They cut off their era at 99, which is like, right when things started to get good.

• 1:12:18Doug DeMuro?

  But I think that's part of the point of Radwood. Like, the point of Radwood is that-

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  If you've got an SF90, we are sending you away.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  We're dot-com wood.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  If you were around from the dot-com bubble to Lehman Brothers going away, you are welcome to.

• 1:12:30Doug DeMuro?

  I think the point of Radwood in part, though, is to celebrate kind of the two unloved decades.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  I agree, but I'm just saying, if there was a show that was only like 2000 to 2009-

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  04 Rich.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  I would travel great distances.

• 1:12:42Doug DeMuro?

  It wouldn't be cool enough yet, though. There's too many of those cars still, like, around us, traffic. We need another 10 years.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  They also bend it a little bit. Like, the 39 came out in the late 90s, and so they include those usually.

• 1:12:53Speaker 04

  Lehman Brothers going away ruined the party, all the collateralized debt obligations and so on. Had that not happened, right, because that was when the Mercy SV came out, this SLR722 and other icons of that era.

• 1:13:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yep, the SLR722.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Think of it every day.

• 1:13:06Speaker 04

  Exactly. So, had that not happened in an alternate universe, and we would have just kept iterating from there?

• 1:13:11Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  The CEO killed-

• 1:13:13Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. There was always going to be an environmental component. And honestly, I think automatic transmissions were always going to start showing up because the cars had gotten so fast.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know what you kind of regret in hindsight, too, is that the single-clutch, like, E-Gear-style cars didn't extend longer, because those are swappable. And had we just stuck E-Gear for a while-

• 1:13:34Doug DeMuro?

  We had to complain so much.

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  We could have manual Aventador's.

• 1:13:36Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I want-

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  We could have manual-

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  Well, the Aventador is a single-clutch.

• 1:13:39Doug DeMuro?

  Let's end on this. Let's end on this. The Aventador is theoretically swappable.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  It is. I don't know why that doesn't exist yet.

• 1:13:47Doug DeMuro?

  Because.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  There's way more of those than there are of Mercy Diablo and Kuntaj combined.

• 1:13:51Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you why, though. It's because there's no center console.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:13:55Doug DeMuro?

  But.

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  We could fabricate one of them.

• 1:13:57Doug DeMuro?

  We could fabricate one of them.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  We can make it. You can put it like the CGT and just replace the Audi MMI screen.

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  I'm telling you, I realized that.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  I don't need that anymore.

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  I realized that the Aventador production was greater than all of the V12s combined that came before it. But I do think there is something very special about that car. If you could convert that, that would be one of the coolest cars on the road.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  That's the corollary to my Range Rover full-size. Everyone also wants an Aventador deep down. They don't admit it, but they want one.

• 1:14:24Doug DeMuro?

  I.

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  Look at that. Look at that picture.

• 1:14:27Doug DeMuro?

  It looks cool, but I'd rather have a Kuntaj. But.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 1:14:30Doug DeMuro?

  But, Oclaw, legit, this car is swappable.

• 1:14:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Doug DeMuro?

  And someone someday is gonna do it.

• 1:14:37Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna get on it.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  I'm a buyer.

• 1:14:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Cause that, mid 2000s, I mean, this was actually the last.

• 1:14:44Speaker 04

  I wonder what the holdup is. If it's also like in a TCU.

• 1:14:46Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's entirely the center console.

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  Software and the center console.

• 1:14:49Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think the software has that much to do with it. Your car is like.

• 1:14:52Speaker 04

  Speaking of all of your experience swapping cars.

• 1:14:55Doug DeMuro?

  Because, because what I learned from your auction is it's just a manual transmission that they automate.

• 1:15:00Speaker 04

  Right, right. That's the same thing. It's a little different.

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  Well, yes, but there was a manual that pre-existed in his car and like the software for the computer can recognize that.

• 1:15:08Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but you get in there with a couple of BP BP.

• 1:15:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, just like how you thought you would program the site yourself back in the early days.

• 1:15:14Doug DeMuro?

  You saw Kamisa this weekend on Instagram with his Radio Shack volt meter. He gets in there with his Radio Shack volt meter. He reprograms an Aventador.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Couple of beep bop boops and then he's there.

• 1:15:26Doug DeMuro?

  I legitimately think that, that an even harder component of this is the center console situation, more than the transmission. I bet they'd figure it out.

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  Man, metals, no.

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  Someone will figure it out. And that'll be amazing. Yeah.

• 1:15:37Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we have to end here, because Kennan has to take off his racing suit.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm stunned that I, it's cold down here.

• 1:15:44Speaker 04

  You look good in it, though, I must say.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  Thanks, the colors are great.

• 1:15:46Doug DeMuro?

  Absolute pleasure. Thank you so much. Nick, thank you for coming. Thank you for gracing us with an SLR.

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  I feel good about that. I am very sad. I can't believe that the Mercy Alago getting picked up was five minutes before we started filming. Like, it started me a little sad.

• 1:16:00Doug DeMuro?

  What an end, you know?

• 1:16:01Speaker 04

  But it was, it's an end of a really great hour with the Mercy. I'm gonna miss that.

• 1:16:05Doug DeMuro?

  Meanwhile, Ken's taking off the jacket. He just, he just did...

• 1:16:08Speaker 03

  It's flame retardant. It's hot.

• 1:16:10Doug DeMuro?

  He just did the Kazakhstan GP and he needs to, is that one of them?

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  No, but the Phoenix Grand Prix. And it did drive at the Phoenix Grand Prix.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  Arizona?

• 1:16:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  Yeah?

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:16:19Doug DeMuro?

  That's a real thing.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  That's a real...

• 1:16:20Doug DeMuro?

  That's where the Carr GT's V10 went, wasn't it?

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  Yep, the footwork V10, that's right.

• 1:16:24Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we're done here. Goodbye, everyone. Bye.

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

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