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• 4:57Bill Simmons?

  All right, we're recording it as 8:30 Pacific time, Sunday night. Just watched a pretty terrible Chiefs-Giants game. I think you enjoyed it though, Cousin Sal. You like when the Giants look terrible.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  I like when they look terrible. I like when I actually win a leg on a money line parlay. It's nice.

• 5:13Bill Simmons?

  Congrats.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  Yes. Unfortunately, it's the first leg for next week because I didn't have anything survive this week. But yeah, they're not fun. They're not fun, the Chiefs.

• 5:22Bill Simmons?

  Well, you know, so it was CBS Throwback Day today. I don't know if you saw the pregame show. They had CBS, they had the guys with hair and outfits like it was in the 70s. They used the graphics from the 70s. Brent Musburger was on there. And then, of course, I had to watch the Patriots, who looked like they were from the mid 70s. The team that I fell in love with that went 3-11 and had 50 turnovers in the 1975 season. We had 50 turnovers in 1975, 28 interceptions and 22 fumbles.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  You'll get there again. Don't worry.

• 5:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. But then it came full circle tonight when our second round pick, Ta'Kuan Thornton, that we waived, is now the best guy on the Chiefs. I was like, this is it. They really did manage to bring back my childhood. I'm watching old Patriots shine on other teams. My team is not very good. The Chiefs, where do you stand after three weeks, other than just being bored?

• 6:17Speaker 04

  Well, Taekwon should know that that's not the brand of ball they play. You don't catch long passes. You don't make spectacular catches at the goal line.

• 6:24Bill Simmons?

  How dare he?

• 6:25Speaker 04

  It's 16 play drives that end up with a butker field goal or a miss or something. And then you grind it out. And yeah, I, is it weird to say I feel bad for the Chiefs? Cause I feel like they're being put in a position they don't want to be. They don't, they don't, it's like, oh, I have to be in prime time. It's like asking the wife to fool around. It's like, oh, like, all right, fine. Just like, it's okay. You don't have to be in prime time anymore. We just had to have someone go up against the Giants.

• 6:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  Who's not going to score more than 30 points. So you fit the bill.

• 6:53Bill Simmons?

  Even Collinsworth seemed like he was going through the motions.

• 6:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:56Bill Simmons?

  He tried to get a come off Patrick, but he was like, I'm just ready to, I'm ready for.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  I love this Cam Scataboo. I just giggle every time he, he's so big and white, Bill.

• 7:06Bill Simmons?

  Scataboo had one block where he just took out the defensive end and that got Collinsworth excited. Funniest possible Mahomes takes that you could sell right now with a shred of truth?

• 7:20Bill Simmons?

  I'll start.

• 7:21Speaker 04

  Go ahead.

• 7:22Bill Simmons?

  Clearly not one of the best three QBs anymore. Is it take you could have? You could have it. I'm not saying I believe in it.

• 7:30Speaker 04

  Well, who do you put three? I mean, everyone loves.

• 7:32Bill Simmons?

  Al Lamar and then Herbert's been on fire this year. I mean, Herbert has made a massive leap, right?

• 7:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I want to see a little more. I like Herbert this year.

• 7:41Bill Simmons?

  I agree with you. I'm just saying there has to be a shred of truth. We'd have to make you go, do one of those.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  How about this? He's a better defensive player than he is quarterback. I mean, he really did that, that play before the half. Like that was a 10 point swing and all him. It was that. Causing the, somehow he was the only player out of the 11 who knew that was a backward pass. The only one on his team.

• 8:03Bill Simmons?

  And he did it twice.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, right, right. And then he chased after it and miraculously punched it free. And then throws like the 50 yard pass interference, which was pretty great too. It was like probably 70 yards, but yeah.

• 8:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's funny. This game was close and it did feel like the Giants were going to get frisky with it and possibly steal it. And then it felt at the end of the half, when they didn't get that turnover, the guys were running at it in the end zone. All of a sudden Mahomes has it again. Then the Chiefs, all of a sudden they get a field goal and you just felt like, okay.

• 8:36Bill Simmons?

  Could you, could you talk yourself into a Mahomes is only awesome as long as he has a generational tight end and wide receiver on his team?

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Oh. Well, I went through the numbers with you last week, right? Like four years ago, it was 28 points a game. And then Tyree killed. It might've been a coincidence, but um, he just does so much though. I hate to put it on him, right? Cause he just does so much. He knows all the angles, how to run for first downs and.

• 9:01Bill Simmons?

  He was, he was actually good today.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, I didn't mind him.

• 9:04Bill Simmons?

  Could that, could you talk yourself into he's a little out of shape like Luka Doncic? Sir Shred? I don't know. I'm just trying to come up with, here's where I landed. When you're starting two wave Patriots, three third string running backs and a washed up Hall of Fame tight end. Maybe you're not gonna look as good. I think that's probably the, probably the right take. He did, he's a little weird on the long balls, I guess would be the way to ding him. But um, for the most part, if you were gonna do the eight teams that can win the Super Bowl, would you have them as one of the eight right now after three weeks? I'll give you four that I think have to be on there.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:41Bill Simmons?

  Buffalo, Philly, the Chargers, Green Bay, I think, despite today.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  Right.

• 9:50Bill Simmons?

  I would put Tampa Bay and the Rams on there personally to get to six.

• 9:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 9:55Bill Simmons?

  I think that seven spot still probably goes to KC, but there's a KC, San Francisco, Detroit, maybe for the seven, eight. So anybody else you're excited about?

• 10:07Speaker 04

  I put Detroit over them.

• 10:09Bill Simmons?

  You'd put Detroit over KC right now?

• 10:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're not getting a lot of love at all. I don't, I don't really get it, but.

• 10:14Bill Simmons?

  Well, we'll see tomorrow night.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I guess we'll see.

• 10:16Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I accidentally left out Baltimore, so they should be, they should be on there. Yeah, sorry Baltimore.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  No, did you? Oh, yeah.

• 10:23Bill Simmons?

  No, I did.

• 10:24Speaker 04

  Baltimore's, Baltimore's gonna win that division by four games. Like that's, they're ridiculous.

• 10:28Bill Simmons?

  So Buffalo, Buffalo Chargers, Green Bay, Philly, Tampa, Baltimore.

• 10:35Bill Simmons?

  Rams and then KC, San Francisco or Detroit for the eighth spot. Cause we always like to have eight, like eight to work with.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  Right. The only thing is we've seen them be a seven seed and, and, uh, you know, run the table.

• 10:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  Is, are they much worse than that team?

• 10:51Bill Simmons?

  I would rather bet on them right now than Detroit or San Francisco, mostly because San Francisco seems to have a massive injury every week.

• 10:58Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:59Bill Simmons?

  Um, and they just seem snake bit for whatever reason. Detroit, we'll see tomorrow night, but yeah, I'm not ready to quit on KC, but I think, I think if they had lost today, that would have been it. We have six three and O teams. Buffalo, Indy, the Chargers, Philly, Tampa and San Francisco. But we have nine two and one teams. Six of them are in the NFC. Are we at the NFC is definitely better than the AFC point of this journey? Cause I feel like it is.

• 11:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so. I mean, that North is very solid. Just compare the Norths, right? The East, both East divisions have their issues, right? Kind of a team running away with it.

• 11:34Bill Simmons?

  They have one, yeah, one good one and then some.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. The North, I think the AFC North, despite the Steelers win today, I think it's lacking. I really do. I mean, I said the Ravens are going to win that by four games. I, I, I believe that. Whereas if you were to name playoff teams in the NFC North, I'd kick the Bears out of there probably now, but

• 11:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 04

  any of those other three are solid. And then the South.

• 11:56Bill Simmons?

  The NFC West, they have nine wins in the NFC West or three weeks already.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:00Bill Simmons?

  Then the AFC West is pretty good too.

• 12:02Speaker 04

  NFC's better. Yep.

• 12:04Bill Simmons?

  Um, yeah. So we have six own three teams. The Jets, Miami, Houston, Tennessee, the Giants and the Saints. The Jets and Giants are own six, so.

• 12:17Bill Simmons?

  I feel like we've done this segment before, but let's do it again.

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Go ahead.

• 12:20Bill Simmons?

  What was the worst combined record they ever had in a 16 game season? Jets and Giants.

• 12:25Speaker 04

  Jets and Giants?

• 12:26Bill Simmons?

  How many wins? If you had to guess.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  This is, um.

• 12:30Bill Simmons?

  Fan duel number, if I gave you over, under seven and a half, would you go over or under?

• 12:35Speaker 04

  16 game schedule.

• 12:37Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Combined wins. Uh, four and I'll say nine.

• 12:44Bill Simmons?

  So, no, um, there was a bunch of eights.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 12:49Bill Simmons?

  And in 1996, they went seven and 25 combined.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Trying to figure out who the coach is, whether, is that a code tight?

• 12:55Bill Simmons?

  Might've been a code tight. Yeah, it could've been, uh.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  Handley. No, no, no, that was after.

• 13:00Bill Simmons?

  The Coslet? Possible Coslet?

• 13:03Speaker 04

  Just guessing.

• 13:04Bill Simmons?

  Coslet or Kotite, one of those guys. And then I don't know who for the Giants.

• 13:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So the Jets Giants own six. I know they're going to switch to Dart. That might give the Giants some life. I don't feel like the Giants are are awful. And the Jets could easily be two and one. So maybe.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  They can be. I mean, they just have to pull the giant. They did a good job pulling them off prime time for the most part. They're not in the Thanksgiving game with Dallas. They're not in a Sunday night game against Dallas. Although that was that was actually entertaining when they played Dallas. But and Russell Wilson going into today was like, had the most passing yards. Right. And like most long, long passes.

• 13:40Bill Simmons?

  Cause your stupid team.

• 13:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:41Bill Simmons?

  Your team just revived Caleb Williams' career today.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ.

• 13:45Bill Simmons?

  He's back. I was getting ready to go to the CFL. Now he's number one pick again.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  Some tweet said Eberflus finally developed Caleb Williams. He finally is able to develop.

• 13:55Bill Simmons?

  The worst revenge game of all time.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Good God.

• 13:58Bill Simmons?

  We'll show you.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  No. Russ looked like John Marab, pulled him aside at the end and said, I'll give you a million dollars. If you could hit the crossbar with a pass three straight times. Ready, ready to do it? It was in the same spot all three times.

• 14:11Bill Simmons?

  I don't think anything drives me crazier than the fourth down, throw it out of bounds pass.

• 14:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:16Bill Simmons?

  What's worse? Just you could just throw it straight up in the air and have it drop down like, you know, a satellite from outer space. And you have a better chance than just whipping it out of bounds.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  Pass interference called every two and a half plays. Yeah. Take a shot.

• 14:30Bill Simmons?

  I don't get it. So I'm guessing. I'm guessing you didn't do well gambling last today because I had a horrible day. And I'm officially worried about 2025 for me now. I had a bad, we did our over under spot. I was telling you, I didn't feel great about this season.

• 14:46Bill Simmons?

  I it's not going great. I did not have a good day today.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  There's I did not either. I mean, we're going to talk at length, I think, about that Rams Eagles game. But when you have, first of all, those early games were just monsters, just really, really bad. Right. And then you like, and I think it's because you have both south. I know we pick on the south divisions a lot, but you have teams that just don't seem like they want to win, like Jacksonville and the Texans and the Titans and the Falcons. Right. So bad. And then the heart attack endings in three of these others, like blocked kicks, return for touchdowns. It's just 1pm Pacific time lunacy. But yeah, yeah, I was on the wrong side of all of those endings.

• 15:25Bill Simmons?

  My biggest one I got the most wrong was the Falcons in Carolina, which. It was really more a bet against Carolina. I thought Carolina was the worst team I saw in the first two weeks and they had that deceiving comeback against the Cardinals, but they were really bad. And they came out, they took the lead, they looked very polished. Penix was an abomination. Like he just couldn't have been worse to the point you're like, are they gonna bring in Kirk Cousins at halftime?

• 15:50Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 15:51Bill Simmons?

  They get shut out by Carolina and Carolina. And that's another division where it's like, who's Tampa can just have a guy go down and Mike Evans went down for them today. I still don't know if anyone challenges them. If you're, if Atlanta's gonna lose 30 to nothing on the road in Carolina, I'm not taking them seriously after that.

• 16:11Speaker 04

  Tampa's winning some stupid games too, but I do think they're, when they get everyone back, they're better. Yeah, that was the biggest Panthers win in a decade and they had 224 total yards. I'm just getting rid of, I was thinking like, are there too many? I asked like, uh, chat GPT, like I said, favorites four or more points that gets shut out. Favorites by four or more and chat GPT, it basically told me to fuck off. I guess it was busy, but there can't be too many favorites, like mid-range favorites that get shut out.

• 16:43Bill Simmons?

  That was, I, you know, look, we knew there was gonna be some weirdness. The higher favorites did great the first two weeks, right? We were texting about it all week. Okay, keep your guard up. Green Bay, that line just stayed specifically at seven and a half, seven all week. The money line was high, but the line was just never as high as it seemed like it should have been. And then that game had all the makings the whole day. Green Bay could never pull away. Love had the really, really bad fourth quarter interception. All of a sudden, Judkins out of nowhere, wasn't even on the team. Like a day, when we did our knockout draft.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:19Bill Simmons?

  I don't even think he had signed with the Browns yet. I'm not sure anyone even took him or maybe somebody took him.

• 17:23Speaker 04

  No, nobody had him. You jinxed him. You said he would, you had the better Ohio State running back.

• 17:28Bill Simmons?

  Well, yeah, apparently, apparently that debate has been opened again.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:32Bill Simmons?

  But, uh, You just kind of knew how it was going to play out, but it made no sense as you were watching it. It's like, somehow the Browns are going to win this. I have no idea. But then this, this kicker who we made fun of after week one, Schmidt, whatever, Sismit, whatever his name is, and he's got a 55 yard. It's like, of course he's going to make this. So now, Green Bay has a little, little shine off their Super Bowl.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:54Bill Simmons?

  Super Bowl bliss.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Until they beat the Cowboys by 78 and like, wow, we haven't seen that. That's weird. But yeah, they thought they could sleepwalk through this game. And for the most part, they were right. At one point, I saw four offensive linemen were wearing sandals. Is that weird? Like, they don't care. It was a sandals game, but, um, but they were hilarious.

• 18:13Bill Simmons?

  They were looking ahead to next week because they're playing your terrible team next week. Yeah. It's not like it's like, oh, we're getting ready for the Cowboys.

• 18:19Speaker 04

  Everyone's wearing sandals. But the Browns were hilarious. They had the ball on the two and kept moving backwards. And there was no urgency with four minutes left. And then, um, I don't know, third and three with 318, he love throws an interception. It didn't make any sense.

• 18:33Bill Simmons?

  We talked about the Browns both weeks, looking a little better than maybe if people didn't watch the game, they would have thought. I thought week one, they should have won. And just in general, they, they seemed like relatively confident. And then today, uh, they hung with Packers that whole game. And their defense is top seven defense, top five defense?

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:54Bill Simmons?

  You know, they're really taking to the Packers. Um, one thing with the Packers, they're missing a bunch of receivers and it doesn't, you know, I think they never really had a number one, but they had a bunch of number twos.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 19:08Bill Simmons?

  And now it's basically just Golden and, uh, and Dobbs and, and Wicks. And then Kraft was playing hurt. And they just didn't have that same kind of explosiveness. But the Browns, that's not going to be an easy place to win this year. They at least have an identity and know who they are. I wonder like if Shador, we'll see him this year though.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Oh, interesting.

• 19:26Bill Simmons?

  10 points a game, like at some point, got to think about it.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 19:29Bill Simmons?

  Or Gabriel, one of those guys.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  Flacco threw 90 passes in two weeks, right? So this, this game was a little different. But, um, yeah, um, any, any team in the league, you only score 10 points. You're gonna, you're gonna give them a chance to, I mean, I thought that leverage call was coming for sure on that field goal.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  I thought I was like, here it comes. No way.

• 19:48Bill Simmons?

  Green Bay had 14 penalties. 230 yards total. And I think we can safely say the, uh, the bandwagon got a little overcrowded.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:59Bill Simmons?

  Little too many, uh, too many people on there. Who do you have as the favorite right now?

• 20:04Speaker 04

  Do they want to give, um, they want to give, uh, they can give Micah back if they want. I mean, that's

• 20:10Bill Simmons?

  Just, just flip the trade backwards.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  Just damaged goods. Favorite to win the whole thing?

• 20:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. If you had to, if you had to make one Super Bowl bet right now, what would it be? And I'll even, you can, you can even say for odds versus who you think's going to actually win because the favorites right now are Baltimore and Buffalo and FanDuel five to one.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Right. Is that going to change? I don't think that's going to change unless there's an NFC team that just really, really comes out in front. Packers had a shot to do that, but I think it's going to be Buffalo, Baltimore. And when we get to the Lions, you'll see how much these teams are respected. But, um, yeah, Buffalo didn't look great Thursday night, but I still put them at the top. Yeah, I put them at the top.

• 20:47Bill Simmons?

  Well, you figure they're probably going to be a one seed, especially that division.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:51Bill Simmons?

  The Pats, my stupid team, the Jets, the Dolphins, they could go just six and O. If you go six and O in a division, at that point, you just need to go seven and four against everybody else. Right?

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Right.

• 21:06Bill Simmons?

  Something like that?

• 21:08Speaker 04

  I think that was one of my future bets with you that they went six and O, something like that, that they ran the table.

• 21:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I remember taking it personally because I believe in the Pats. And that's not how it worked out. Let's take a break and then I want to talk about the Super Bowl team that I think we should have a real conversation about. The Bill Simmons Podcast brought to you by FanDuel. FanDuel is changing the way you live bet football. It starts with Next Drive SGP's. Bet on what's happened next drive, touchdown, punt, field goal, whatever you want. Check out player stats, take in player props, build your bet exactly how you want it. Every NFL game day comes with a profit boost that you can use on your Next Drive SGP. So you can get more out of every play with your betting a drive, a player of the next big moment. FanDuel makes live betting feel smarter, faster and way more fun. Visit FanDuel.com/BS to download the app today and bet the next drive.

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• 22:39Bill Simmons?

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• 23:16Speaker 04

  All right. So it's one of the top eight you named earlier, right?

• 23:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Okay. And it's, I think it's going to be someone who won today. So I'm going to kick the Rams out of there. I don't think you're going to say nine. All right. The Chargers, fine. Go ahead.

• 23:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 23:30Speaker 04

  That's what it is?

• 23:32Bill Simmons?

  I didn't bet on it today because I have so many Denver futures that it wasn't, wasn't worth it for me to do it. I really wanted to do the Denver plus three. Now, if you watch the game very closely, and there are only three games, so I watched this entire game, and I thought the Broncos defense was great. Like, they, they pressured, they did 29 pressures on Herbert. They sacked him five times, and he was under duress. And it felt like a very even game. And then you look at the stats after. Denver got outgained by 111 yards. The Chargers had 29 first downs. Denver had nine.

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:08Bill Simmons?

  Denver kind of, Denver kind of got dominated, but it didn't feel like that when you were watching because they were putting pressure on Herbert.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:14Bill Simmons?

  I thought Herbert, you know, he was fantastic. In that first game, I thought that last drive, that touchdown pass especially just fantastic. MVP wise, he's down to six to one now, and I think it's legitimate because he's playing as well as anybody. They're three and O in their division. And I think what I liked about that game, Sal, it felt like a playoff game. I know Knicks didn't play that well. Knicks missed a couple bombs that he has now figured out how to hit a guy in stride by six inches too far and it hits their, he'll hit like three fingertips, but never get the guy in stride. And it's like, oh, he's, he's like the master. So they had plays, Franklin dropped one in the end zone. Like they left stuff

• 24:59Bill Simmons?

  on the table. And I thought the Chargers played, you know, they lose Najee Harris against an Achilles thing. I'm rambling. My point is, I thought it felt like a playoff game watching it. I could see that game in January.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  It didn't feel like a Chargers game, right? Like the 2007 to 2024 Chargers would have blown that game.

• 25:17Bill Simmons?

  No question.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  They almost did. They were up 10-0 and Denver came back and it really was looked like the, the yards were going to come at a premium. It wasn't, they weren't really moving the ball. And like you said, that last drive was really something. That's the defense, the Denver defense we've been afraid of. That's a Denver defense you bet all those futures on, right?

• 25:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say something else, too. We may have to get rid of one of our favorite jokes, which is Chargers fans not showing up to watch the games.

• 25:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was a good crowd.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  It sounded loud, right? I don't know. I don't think they're pumping noise in. It's really sounded, I usually wait till the last, the next day where I can watch fights in the crowd. You know, they usually pop up on Twitter and then you scan the crowd, but I think it was pretty good for them.

• 26:01Bill Simmons?

  Herbert, you know, who we've talked about a lot in this podcast, and I've been saying how I'm a results guy. It feels like he's gone up a level and he's just hitting these little checkpoints now. Like that drive, I think, I just feel like a year ago, they lose the game. That Johnston is wide open five times a game now. Like this was a guy who felt like he might be a bust two years ago. And then the Keenan Allen, who they got, it felt like pretty late in the summer. Feels like he, you can hear from him twice a game when they really, really need him. He's going to make a play.

• 26:35Bill Simmons?

  I don't know that that team, the team has the look. I wonder what they need like they have Mac. He's going to be out for a couple of weeks. Slater's gone for the year. I wonder, could they get like one more offensive lineman, maybe during this season, but being three.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  What are they for the division now? Because for them to be, um, for him to win MVP and all that stuff, they have to be a top.

• 26:55Bill Simmons?

  13 and four.

• 26:56Speaker 04

  Two seed, right?

• 26:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Minus 155.

• 27:01Bill Simmons?

  Well, here's the thing about them in the division. They're three and oh already in the division.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:05Bill Simmons?

  They're three and oh, but they're all AFC West games. So, you know, watching them, I think Denver's closer to them than the Chiefs are, but we know, as we talk about every week, like when right, we got away from Rice and we're going to come back before we know we have with the Chiefs.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  But sure.

• 27:23Bill Simmons?

  I've been really impressed. Do they, do they play Baltimore, Buffalo this year? I gotta look this up. The Chargers.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Chargers had the second place schedule.

• 27:33Bill Simmons?

  I'm looking that up right now. Uh, they play, they play the Eagles, they play the Chiefs again, play the Broncos again. That's really it. I mean, you look at their schedule, the next couple, they're at the Giants, they're home commanders, they're at the Dolphins, and then they have the Colts in week seven. Like they really could be six and oh, hadn't in that Colts game.

• 27:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:54Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 27:54Speaker 04

  And if Denver's going to lose dumb games like this, that week 18 game in Denver, which everyone had penciled, you know, circled, um, might not mean as much. Yeah. I mean, this easily, had they lost to Denver, then you're looking at the Chiefs are a game behind and they still have to play, Chargers still have to play the Chiefs in KC, right? Then it's like, ah, man, this is up for grabs. But what did we say it was minus 155?

• 28:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think those are, I think those are good odds, especially like some of the games that seem like they were going to be hard.

• 28:24Bill Simmons?

  Not sure. At Titans, that's not a hard game anymore. Um, at Cowboys, week 16.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Easy.

• 28:33Bill Simmons?

  You're gonna be like four and 11 at that point. At Dolphins, that's not a hard game anymore. So, you know, and then that at Broncos game, maybe they'll get to the point where they won't have to care about it. But, um, this is the easy stretch of their schedule right now. At Giants, home commanders, at Dolphins, and then we'll see with the Colts. We'll see if the, uh, if the Colts are real. But yeah, I thought, you know, and then the other team that I could definitely, we mentioned them earlier. I thought just the Rams.

• 29:04Bill Simmons?

  The Rams definitely can hang. Now, let's talk about how awful.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  They can hang. They almost made me hang. Jesus. I mean.

• 29:13Bill Simmons?

  They're 26. What was it? 26 to 7?

• 29:17Speaker 04

  26, 7. That was it. Yep.

• 29:19Bill Simmons?

  Did you feel like the Eagles could come back as I did?

• 29:23Speaker 04

  At 26, 7?

• 29:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I was sitting there going, this is actually maybe what they need to like electroshock their system and start doing stuff. But I thought they'd come back. I thought the Rams would score again and the Rams.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  I was so locked into the narrative that Jalen Hurts sucks. He can't throw the ball past six yards. No one's catching it anyway. He can only run. He's as good as Barkley goes and, and the Rams were moving the ball too. No, I didn't. I mean, you could have gotten a monster live line on that. Like that's.

• 29:51Bill Simmons?

  I didn't take it off the multi-view.

• 29:53Speaker 04

  No.

• 29:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, because there was a lot of time. It was 26, 7, but there was, it was like early in the third quarter.

• 30:00Speaker 04

  I know.

• 30:01Bill Simmons?

  And it was in Philly. I, I wrote down.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  Is sick. That's, I, I feel like everybody, like, doesn't seem like online, everybody had that, that bet ache, that bad beat.

• 30:12Bill Simmons?

  Like that, that. Well, the Rams were one of the most popular picks this week, right?

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:16Bill Simmons?

  Rams plus three and a half.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  That's like when, like 150,000 people claimed they were at game six, Red Sox Mets, but that, I was like, really? Everybody had this? I know I did. I'll show you. But this is, that ending was, is it, does it get any worse than that? What do you want to talk about the whole game? I don't care. I mean.

• 30:33Bill Simmons?

  No, let's talk about the inning first. I wrote down, uh, that was a utter pandemonium sportsbook game. Like, if you've ever been in Vegas for one of those, when it seems like some, and then it's a shift and the guy's running and people are just like flying around in the sportsbook going, going crazy. But we've had, we have these every year. I think people get amnesia.

• 30:53Speaker 04

  Really?

• 30:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we have, we have at least one of those every year. That's just like a completely insane ending.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  Let's set the stage. The Rams are getting three and a half points. They're kicking a field goal to win the game. So they're right, right now.

• 31:04Bill Simmons?

  Win the game or they don't get it and they still cover.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  Well, they don't get it. So the only, the only thing, the only thing that screws them is a blocked field goal run back.

• 31:13Bill Simmons?

  And then the guy actually being dumb enough to run it all the way back versus just running out of bounds.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  But if I said to you, I'm like, all right, Bill, sit down. Are you seated? Like the Rams are gonna have this kick blocked. Who do you want? Draw me what you want the guy who blocked it to look like. And you would draw.

• 31:31Bill Simmons?

  280 pound guy.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  You have like 280. I said, okay, how about this? How about he's 520? How about he's 520 pounds? You okay with that? He might go, sure. The game's over by then. This frickin' brotherly love butter bean runs it all the way back and kills another ring of 107 pick of mine.

• 31:47Bill Simmons?

  Where was the one fast Rams guy chasing him down from behind? Like the backup safety who's doing the Don Beebe?

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:55Bill Simmons?

  Just no, nobody. There was nobody even in the picture.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  I guess he was, it was 18 and a half miles an hour, which I wouldn't even know like humans really did that. I'm, God bless them. I need to get a faster car, I guess. I don't know.

• 32:08Bill Simmons?

  Well, the Eagles, they had to fall behind by 19 to become entertaining. That was very entertaining. Yeah. That game also felt play offy. I thought Nakua was awesome.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 32:19Bill Simmons?

  I mean, and he had the stats too. He was 11 for 120, something like that. I think he's moved up a level this year for the conversation. Cause we had.

• 32:26Speaker 04

  What conversation? He's always up there.

• 32:28Bill Simmons?

  We had Chase and Jefferson.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Oh, offensive. Yeah.

• 32:32Bill Simmons?

  And then there was a drop off and then it was like Nico Collins and neighbors and you could start listing all these dudes. I think Nakua has to be up there now.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Did you look? I could tell you, I could tell you where he is odds wise on Fandel.

• 32:44Bill Simmons?

  For what?

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Offensive player of the year.

• 32:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh, what is he?

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Isn't that what you're talking about? When you say he moves up?

• 32:49Bill Simmons?

  I'm just talking best receiver.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Oh, I see.

• 32:51Bill Simmons?

  Cause poor Chase is stuck with the backup now for three months. Jefferson stuck with Carson Wentz.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Nakua's third at plus 750. Derrick Henry plus 650. Jonathan Taylor plus 500. Cause he just is just racking up insane numbers.

• 33:06Bill Simmons?

  Derrick Henry?

• 33:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:08Bill Simmons?

  How's he in there?

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Well, well, he had two touchdowns first week and then last week he took off, but.

• 33:15Bill Simmons?

  I'm surprised Taylor's odds aren't even lower.

• 33:19Bill Simmons?

  Cause he's been the most dynamic.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  Really?

• 33:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's been awesome. Every game he's done. One or two things. I also think Smith the jigba is. He's 25 to win that.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  That's not bad.

• 33:29Bill Simmons?

  Probably nudge that one up.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  Ah, Jamar Chase just gone. Not giving him a chance. You're right. I mean, how could he? 30 to 1. Jefferson too. Same there.

• 33:39Bill Simmons?

  So that's one where I feel like we could see that game again in January. Eagles Rams.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:44Bill Simmons?

  We could be running that one back.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  Sure. It was great last January too. I just, please don't get, get me on that result again. That was terrifying.

• 33:54Bill Simmons?

  I forgot to ask you on Chargers Broncos. Where are you with Bo Nix right now?

• 34:00Speaker 04

  It's tough because.

• 34:01Bill Simmons?

  I feel like I've watched every snap of the Broncos this season and.

• 34:09Bill Simmons?

  It's just that it just has not been consistent.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  No, definitely not. I like the Oregon guys.

• 34:14Bill Simmons?

  At all.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  So it was Nix. I watched Nix a lot. Herbert. That was fun. Watching them go at each other. He does seem to take charge and he has good control. Like when he, when he calls his own number and runs the ball. I was like, wow, that's good. That's, that looked, he looks like a fourth year quarterback, but. I also think people gave him too much credit last year. Like that defense was so dynamite. That's what kept them in a lot of these games. But yeah, he is, he is off from last year.

• 34:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's just not as accurate. He had a great play in the fourth quarter at a scramble. And it was like third and 12, third and 13. And there were people in front of him and it seemed like he was going to either slide or get tackled. And he made a move and he somehow got right to the line. And, uh, and you, you saw the whole sideline like explode, the Bronco sideline. You know, I always love that. And it just, it felt like a moment. It felt like, here we go. Bo Nix is, he's finally shown up for the season. Somehow they, uh.

• 35:05Speaker 04

  No, I think he's taken, he's taken the CJ Stroud approach. Like have a memorable rookie year and then everyone's like, what the fuck? What is going on with this guy?

• 35:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Wait, we should talk about CJ. Let's, I'll skip ahead of that game. Jaguars 17 Texans 10. This is one of the only games I got right. Jaguars defense. I continue to think might be pretty good, even though the Bengals scored some points on them, but they, they can rush a passer. They seem to get turnovers. And then on the flip side, Houston's offense now 38 points in three games. Today was a little unlucky because Collins had a really bad fumble with like four minutes left. It felt like Lawrence threw a terrible pick. They had a lead. Bad Lawrence pick. It was like, it was like Jaguars karaoke. Houston, long pass to wide open Collins tied Jaguars. They give up the ball back. Texans coming down, then that Collins fumble, and then all of a sudden,

• 35:59Bill Simmons?

  all of a sudden that was it. We came flying back the other way.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, when we go over the worst teams in the league, we won't include the Texans, but that offense has been real atrocious, right? Like it's, it's going in, they were last in points scored and obviously they're right there again, right? And, and like fourth to last in yardage. He threw 38 times, which is a lot when most of it is in catch up time, right? And he couldn't break 185. So there were lots of drops actually. I don't know. I don't know why I find myself defending Trevor Lawrence all the time. They, they were like five drops on the Lawrence side.

• 36:34Bill Simmons?

  Thomas was bad for three hours and then made the biggest play of the game.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah. So yeah, 17 10 sounded right in a game that nobody wanted.

• 36:43Bill Simmons?

  I don't know what happened to Thomas.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  All right.

• 36:46Bill Simmons?

  I, I wrote in my notes, he seems like he's in like some sports movie where it's like the part where they're playing like sad music and where, where before they come back and become the hero again. Like when Rod Tedwell, that part Jerry Maguire, when he's just, you know, he's filming the commercial and Jerry's yelling at him. And then we just see him get the shit kicked out of him and it's kind of all headed toward a bunch of football. He, he just seems like he's in a, a major funk. I was reading about all, he's on, I think most of my fantasy teams. And I was reading about it this week and it's like the most polarizing topic with the Jaguar fans. Cause most of them are like team Lawrence and a lot of them are blaming Thomas for like he's dogging routes.

• 37:26Bill Simmons?

  He's not catching stuff. He can only one run, one type of, right? He can either go deep or just do a deep cross. And that's it. He can't catch the ball over the middle. But yeah, they're, they're kind of a mess and yet.

• 37:40Bill Simmons?

  I'd rather be them than Houston.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:43Bill Simmons?

  Houston can't block. Houston, unless that Woody Marks can turn into something a running back, they have no running backs.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Right.

• 37:50Bill Simmons?

  They spent two second round picks on receivers and they, if nobody who can block. And then Stroud doesn't look like the guy from two years ago.

• 37:58Speaker 04

  No, now they have some relief. They play the Titans at home, but no, I would not want to be the Texans right now. That's, that's a lousy team. I don't know. Yeah. As far as Jacksonville goes, like they, you know, Lawrence has his awful moments too, but he had to think Travis Hunter was going to work out, right? And he had to think Brian Thomas wouldn't drop three balls a game. So that offense I think has a chance to get going. I don't know about the Texans. I mean, we love Nico Collins, but I feel like he may have to do it all.

• 38:27Bill Simmons?

  Well, here's the other thing. There's three back in the AFC South already.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:31Bill Simmons?

  They're, uh, they're, I mean, nine and eight might get a seven seed. So they'd still have to go nine and five the rest of the way. Their schedule is not that hard, but, uh, you know, 38 points in three games.

• 38:44Speaker 04

  I can't, I don't even, I can't even imagine how much money you're going to put on a money line parlay with, uh, with them to beat the Titans to start.

• 38:51Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I might scale back until I get a better feel for the season.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:55Bill Simmons?

  Today was not great. The Colts killed the Titans. Um, I had a little on the Titans money line and, uh, immediately regretted it. Not a lot, just a little Colts still have not punted.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Is that true? Yeah, you're right.

• 39:08Bill Simmons?

  Only one other team has gone three and O and punted less than five times and it was the 2007 New England Patriots.

• 39:16Bill Simmons?

  So on Tennessee first, there were fire Callahan chants. They've had 31 penalties in three weeks. They did a whole bunch of dumb shit again, but I really want to hone in on what happened at the end of the first half. Do you watch this game or do you have it on multi?

• 39:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Had it.

• 39:32Bill Simmons?

  It was fourth and one during the 39 yard line with 46 seconds left in the first half.

• 39:39Bill Simmons?

  Indy calls timeout because they want to get the ball back.

• 39:43Bill Simmons?

  The timeout ends and Callahan's still deciding whether he wants to do a field goal or not. They get a delay of game after a timeout and the field goal goes from 57 to 62. Sly misses. Indianapolis ends up driving down and getting a field goal. So Callahan says after, I hadn't decided yet at the moment what we're going to do. We were going back and forth and wanted a minute to think about it. I was going back and forth to the fourth down call on the field goal and decided to go take points. That took our situation and the operational part of it to kick it on time didn't happen. They were coming out of a timeout that they didn't even call.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 40:24Bill Simmons?

  This guy's terrible. House calls him Dumbo on my Thursday night pod every week. It might be offensive to Dumbo, but.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  He hates him. He says he's the worst ever.

• 40:33Bill Simmons?

  Well, we might have a new entry to the first coach fired.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:37Bill Simmons?

  Cause McDaniel, like Buffalo, Buffalo really had to work to beat Miami on Thursday night. I thought Miami like fought.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 40:45Bill Simmons?

  Tennessee's not fighting for their.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  That Miami's drive in the second quarter, to end the second quarter was as good as you'll see all year. But yeah, Callahan, it's funny because Callahan was the name of the, the tires. Wasn't that Tommy Boy? Like she could, can Chris Farley go around trying to save his Callahan's job?

• 41:03Bill Simmons?

  Should that be our nickname for him? Tommy Boy?

• 41:05Speaker 04

  Tommy Boy.

• 41:06Bill Simmons?

  His name's not Tommy.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  He's the father that had a heart attack in the third scene.

• 41:12Bill Simmons?

  His, his thing with the, with the field goal and the delay of game, that was when, uh, when Tommy Boy was doing the demonstration for the guy and he set his desk on fire.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  Right, right, right.

• 41:22Bill Simmons?

  You guys over there puking his guts out. Get out. It's Callahan. Do you value? Well, then the other thing is Cam Ward started the game with a pick six. And it was like a really awful.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  I'm going to, I'm going to just stare you down and then throw it and.

• 41:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 41:42Bill Simmons?

  On the positive side.

• 41:45Bill Simmons?

  The Colts three and O and Daniel Jones apparently has down the nickname Indiana Jones.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  I hate it.

• 41:53Bill Simmons?

  I heard NBC guys talking about that in the pregame show.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  That's why I hate it.

• 41:57Bill Simmons?

  Jason Garrett really enjoyed it. He started humming the song and I don't know. I can, I can get there with it.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  I was there. No, don't you do it now too. But no, I don't, it's fine. Tate and I were talking about, is it the best nickname? There's so many great nicknames in the NFL and I was all behind it. And then exactly, I had this written down. Jason Garrett starts singing the song and calling him Indiana Jones.

• 42:17Bill Simmons?

  What was the song? How did the song go?

• 42:19Speaker 04

  Isn't it?

• 42:24Speaker 04

  Whatever. I don't need Jason Garrett singing or speaking.

• 42:28Bill Simmons?

  No, I just said, that's Star Wars.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  That's, that is? Hold on.

• 42:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, hold on. We gotta get this right.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Let's get it right.

• 42:34Bill Simmons?

  Thank God we're not going live on YouTube today.

• 42:38Bill Simmons?

  Really? The Raiders, the Raiders theme song. Now we're going to get blocked on YouTube. The Raiders song is.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Hold on. I got it.

• 42:46Bill Simmons?

  Raiders lost arc.

• 42:50Bill Simmons?

  Why am I, we did.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is. I got it right.

• 42:56Bill Simmons?

  Okay. This is. Yeah, we did get it right. Yeah.

• 43:03Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I was blanking.

• 43:07Bill Simmons?

  Colts, do you believe yet?

• 43:10Speaker 04

  I believe they can win that division, right? Like, um, we're not excited about anybody else, but, uh, yeah, that'll be, I'm, I'm, I'm looking long and hard at them as the team I'm going to bet against in the playoffs. Sure.

• 43:22Bill Simmons?

  Shaky's? They're at Rams, home Raiders, home Cardinals, at Chargers. The funny thing is they killed the Dolphins, but they should have lost to the Broncos. And then deservedly beat the Titans, but.

• 43:37Bill Simmons?

  You know, leverage call gets called that they're two and one. We're not as

• 43:41Speaker 04

  leveraged. The, the, the individuals are getting all the love on Fandel. Jonathan Taylor, as I mentioned, offensive player of the year, favorite, Steichen, plus 380, coach of the year. I would, I would have thought Daniel Jones would be, this is not right. He's third for comeback player of the year. I thought they were going to give him that award next week when he comes to LA.

• 44:01Bill Simmons?

  Well, what did he come back from? Just being terrible?

• 44:04Speaker 04

  I guess that's it.

• 44:05Bill Simmons?

  Did he, did he, like, we, I guess we went through this with Flacco that time.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 44:10Bill Simmons?

  Can you come back from something if?

• 44:13Speaker 04

  All it was was being a. You have to give him the award.

• 44:16Bill Simmons?

  I like that Trevor Lawrence is fourth. Who's betting on, did Trevor Lawrence come back? Did I get the memo?

• 44:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:22Bill Simmons?

  He's 17 points today.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  Well, Dak McCaffrey, those two are both ahead of Daniel Jones right now. I guess you're right. It's what you come back from, right? McCaffrey's.

• 44:30Bill Simmons?

  Two is a hundred to one and probably would recommend no on that one.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:36Bill Simmons?

  Well, I think you're right. What are the Colts division odds now? They are, they're like almost two to one, right? Yeah. My, oh no, minus 135.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  135.

• 44:46Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  All right. If you parlay that and the Chargers.

• 44:49Bill Simmons?

  It's like a trap.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  Who screws you? You almost get two to one.

• 44:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, one of those teams are going to be the rabbit team.

• 44:56Bill Simmons?

  I would do.

• 44:59Bill Simmons?

  I still feel like the Jags can be heard from. I know that's crazy, but.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  No.

• 45:03Bill Simmons?

  I like some of the pieces with them and I think their, their coach isn't bad.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  That's my, I mean, that was my preseason team to win, so I have to stay with it. I'm just trying to see if the Colts, if it ever gets hard for them here. At the Rams, home for the Raiders, home for the Cardinals, at the Chargers. That's a fun game. And Titans, Steelers, Falcons. It's always seemed.

• 45:24Bill Simmons?

  I'm just mad at myself because I couldn't, July and August, I didn't want to pick the Texans. I couldn't come up with another team.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:31Bill Simmons?

  I wanted to short the Chiefs. I didn't have the balls.

• 45:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 45:35Bill Simmons?

  And, um, and then thought it was going to be the Broncos and I had the wrong team.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  These South divisions ruin our summers. We spend much, much too much time trying to figure out who's going to win. And then we, our families are growing up and we're missing it all.

• 45:48Bill Simmons?

  It doesn't make sense that Daniel Jones was that bad last season, unless it's just a two-year injury.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:54Bill Simmons?

  Cause he was completely awful last year. Uh, speaking of awful, Niners Cards was a pretty awful game. And, uh, It had a met. So the Niners were gonna win. And then Mac Jones turned into Mac Jones through a terrible pick.

• 46:11Bill Simmons?

  To get the ball back. There's a safety involving Mac Jones wasn't his fault, holding penalty.

• 46:17Bill Simmons?

  And at that point, you realize Niners one and a half is gonna be dust because it's 15 13 Cardinals. I was struggling before the beginning of the day to do Niners minus one and a half for Niners money line, which was minus 120. It's like, ah, I'll just do the minus one and a half. When his teams ever, when do they ever win by one? Well, then they come down. Mac Jones leads a game winning drive. And the Cardinals. So I want to blame Kyler Murray or Gannon, but the reality is third and nine, they ran a great pass to Zay Jones and he just couldn't hold on to it.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  That was the high, the high one he went up for and he didn't come back.

• 46:53Bill Simmons?

  I guess the, if you're gonna ding them, it's like you ran the play of the game for Zay Jones.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Well, here's who you could blame. This was a rat line and I lost on this too. So I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert, but this was a rat line. It was one and a half, right? The tic tac, the one we hate. No one had a good thing to say about Arizona this week. They're, oh, they're lucky to be two and oh, they had injuries all over the place. And this line could not move past San Francisco one and a half. And the gambling god says, I know what we'll do. We'll have them win by one point. And everyone like Bill will have them minus one and a half. And Mac Jones, like, that was pretty remarkable taking them down the field there, you know?

• 47:31Bill Simmons?

  And he was hurt. He was on one leg.

• 47:33Speaker 04

  And you get caught for it, right? He was like limping around. You get a safety? That's like insulting. That's really hard to come back from. I know it wasn't his fault, but that's like getting slapped in the face with the white glove. And he just like shook it off and came all the way down and won that.

• 47:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Actually made a field goal.

• 47:49Bill Simmons?

  And they lost Bosa early in that game. I thought the they had a bunch of plays in the red zone and inside the 10. And I thought the Cards defense really rose to the occasion. I don't know why the Cards defense is as frisky as it is because it's not like it's loaded with all pros, but they made a bunch of plays.

• 48:06Bill Simmons?

  Connor going down flipped the game a little bit for them because you know, I actually think they probably win if that doesn't happen. But I thought the coaching on both sides, I thought some of the red zone stuff with the Niners was really bad. Arizona, I just, when Murray is coming out and around and that like when you're betting against the cards, I'm just always worried of him rolling out like when they need first downs. Then they get away from that and it's like, oh, you're just going to go back and try to hit somebody on third and nine. I just, I don't love the, uh, whatever. I'm, I thought Trey McBride was terrifying.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Good throw to him in the end zone. Yep, that helped, but.

• 48:46Bill Simmons?

  But the, uh, the teams were pretty close though, was my takeaway from that game. Like the Cardinals were a little better than I was prepared for. And, uh, and the Niners just winning that game with Mac Jones, I thought was pretty good. The Niners are three and out.

• 49:01Speaker 04

  But are they going to lose like, and they beat, was that all three NFC West teams? They beat? Wait, no, yeah. Wait, they're two of them. The Cardinals in Seattle, they, yeah, right. Yeah. I, uh, oh, and, and, uh, New Orleans was the other. Yeah. I just, they're just going to lose someone big every week though? That's the problem. That's what, that's, that's the issue. We know they're not deep. They pay seven guys, you know, 80% of their, um, the, the budget there. So I'm not sure how many more injuries they can afford.

• 49:29Bill Simmons?

  I mean, McCaffrey, that play in the end on the last drive, there's just nobody better than, than him on those. You just, you kind of know they're going to do the dump off pass to him. They do it anyway and, and he's flying off. Yeah, their defense is a little better than I thought it was going to be considering they had so much turnover, considering they lost like what, seven, eight guys? But I think seven kids now is helping them or now he has eight kids. The, all right.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  What's that? What's that division? Minus 105?

• 49:59Bill Simmons?

  Well, we have a three and O team and three two and one teams?

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, that's right.

• 50:06Bill Simmons?

  You want to talk about your team or my team?

• 50:09Speaker 04

  I mean, we're going to hit both of them. Let's do your team.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  And then maybe we'll forget about mine.

• 50:17Bill Simmons?

  Fumbled four times.

• 50:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:19Bill Simmons?

  Inside the five yard line, we had a tip pick that the quarterback just should have lofted it. It's the easiest touchdown ever and just tries to throw a straight line for some reason. But I think the reason is because it seemed like he got mildly concussed two plays earlier and they don't even stop it. They don't have like, I thought they had these concussion spotters. Like he hits his head backwards. He's holding his head and then two plays later throws a terrible tip thing. Remandre fumbles twice. It's an all time murder. I don't think we'll see him again. The Pats have five turnovers and 26 first downs. I don't remember that stat ever. Last three quarters, they outgained Pittsburgh 349 to 101. And they lose by seven.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:02Bill Simmons?

  And it was a fucking absolute gut punch of a three hours. I hated it.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. Ugly, ugly, ugly. And.

• 51:10Bill Simmons?

  We're definitely better than that team.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  I think so too, but five turnovers. I mean, the Steelers didn't even do a great job. Imagine only scoring 21 points. The other team is five turnovers. Like Rogers made a couple of good throws, but 139 yards. They had 203 total yards, like you were alluding to. It just doesn't seem like a rabble team though, right? With all the turnovers and even like going, but even going for it on fourth down. I know there were four for five. Like he goes for it the least on fourth down. I know.

• 51:39Bill Simmons?

  We went for it on our own 15.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. It's just a book, a different coach, different everything, different discipline.

• 51:47Bill Simmons?

  May, I think May is incredibly talented and he 90% of the game he had today was great. But he, one play a half, he does something stupid. Like the, the tip pass touchdown, that's his fault. Like, like he can't make that play. And then the other one was, you know, in traffic. I don't know what he's trying to do, but he loses it and he fumbles. When he's doing, he's just trying to do too much and sometimes he'll put the ball on the ground and he's got to figure out how to not have those two plays a game. He's young. He'll be his 22, but I, I think when he's moving around on the sides and like he's lightning fast.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 52:24Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot to like.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  He's not too young for me to give him a nickname that you're, you're not going to love.

• 52:29Bill Simmons?

  Okay, let's hear it. I'm ready for it. He probably deserves it.

• 52:32Speaker 04

  Drake maybe.

• 52:35Speaker 04

  You guys say like Drake, maybe, right? He may be good. I don't know. Is this an even week or an odd week?

• 52:44Bill Simmons?

  That's so good. I'm never gonna call him that, but that's really good.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 52:47Bill Simmons?

  It's just a really good nickname.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  It's Drake maybe. I'm sorry. I mean, we haven't done my team yet. Plenty of names you can call them.

• 52:56Bill Simmons?

  I feel like that might stick unless he can shake it.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  Come on, maybe.

• 53:03Speaker 04

  Let's do it. Have some fun out there, kid.

• 53:05Bill Simmons?

  Just don't have your one terrible play half. I'm a, I'm a complete believer. I have an incredible amount of Drake May stock. But he just can't help it.

• 53:15Bill Simmons?

  Man.

• 53:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's tough.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 53:20Bill Simmons?

  Rogers can only do two things at this point. He, he can do the quick backpedal, quick throw that's either like a, like a short wide receiver pass or to a tight end, three, three yards in front of him. And he can do the three step drop, quick back shoulder, 20 yard throw. And he can't do anything else. And he's, if you're pressuring him, he's just gonna get rid of the ball. I was not impressed by him. I didn't think he was very good today, but he did enough to, to, to kind of hang around and get 21 points.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  You made things extraordinarily easy for them. I mean, just barely topped 200 total yards.

• 53:57Bill Simmons?

  Couple of big, any incompletion, he's doing this for the flag, like he, you know, and then like he got three of them. It was very, it was a very frustrating game. I can't believe that Drake May nickname. Unbelievable.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  I shouldn't have said it to you. I feel like a bad friend now.

• 54:15Bill Simmons?

  Jesus, why don't you come up with a nickname for my kids now?

• 54:18Speaker 04

  Okay, I'll work on it.

• 54:20Bill Simmons?

  Maybe.

• 54:22Bill Simmons?

  Oh my God. I still believe. All right. Your stupid team.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Oh no.

• 54:27Bill Simmons?

  You revived Caleb's, Caleb's career. He had a massive fantasy day. Your defense has given up 12, 25 yard plus pass plays in the last two games.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's

• 54:39Bill Simmons?

  You fell for the worst flea flicker I've ever seen.

• 54:42Speaker 04

  Oh, it's still hanging in the air.

• 54:44Bill Simmons?

  It was like an alley oop.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was like flicking a feather. That's the fl- yeah, it just never came down. We, um, I've been, um, my Cowboys friend text chain and we're trying to remember if there was a, if this is the worst defense we've seen in, in decades and it really might be, it really might be. There was the Nolan. There was a couple of bad ones, but, I mean, 385 yards in 57 plays. I did a little math. That's seven yards a play. And it seemed like so much more. And the fact that, does everyone just embarrass their old coordinator? Like, you know, Ben Johnson was embarrassed by Detroit. Should we keep this in mind for gambling purposes? Like Chicago embarrassed, they were flus. So, you know, congrats. You gave Caleb Williams his best game since he was a sophomore at USC. I hate it. I hated it.

• 55:28Bill Simmons?

  But Dunze is good. He, I think he's been, he's definitely made a leap up this season.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:34Bill Simmons?

  Right. Uther Burden, you know, the flea flicker.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  He's wide open by 15 yards.

• 55:40Bill Simmons?

  God.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Kenny Clark, who we got from Micah Parsons, he's out. He came back. Trevon Diggs, I don't even know who's good anymore. Honestly, I get like bummed if these guys are out, but, uh, we are going to be exciting though. You're going to see a lot of the same game over and over.

• 55:55Bill Simmons?

  The problem is as soon as C D Lamb went out, the game was over.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 55:59Bill Simmons?

  Cause you have this top heavy team. You already traded Parsons. Now you just have Dak and C D. You take him out. You, there were guys I'd never heard of.

• 56:07Speaker 04

  What's your record gonna be?

• 56:08Bill Simmons?

  Good.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  Pickens is alright, right? Like he's a very solid number two. If, uh, C D could stay on the field and Javante Williams, you know, he fumbled, but, um, that's been a surprise too. So what's our record gonna be?

• 56:21Bill Simmons?

  What's your record gonna be? Fando has the regular season wins.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  They still, they have it up already, huh?

• 56:27Bill Simmons?

  Wow. You can go under six and a half wins is plus 120.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think six and 11 is right.

• 56:36Bill Simmons?

  Under five and a half is plus 220.

• 56:39Speaker 04

  I mean, I'd have to find five wins for them. I don't, I don't know. I don't think they're there. Five more.

• 56:46Bill Simmons?

  Well, is C D gonna be hurt for a couple of weeks there?

• 56:48Speaker 04

  He says he's playing Sunday. He says he's gonna play.

• 56:53Bill Simmons?

  Miami, under four and a half wins is plus 165.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  It's pretty good, too.

• 57:00Bill Simmons?

  Under five and a half is minus 120.

• 57:04Bill Simmons?

  I don't, are they getting to six wins, the Miami Dolphins?

• 57:07Speaker 04

  That would mean, do you want to wait on that? They're home for the Jets on Monday night.

• 57:11Bill Simmons?

  For them to get to six wins, that means they're six and eight the rest of the way. Is that team going six and eight?

• 57:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, no, no, no, no.

• 57:17Bill Simmons?

  I have so many Miami futures already that I just, I can't put more on it.

• 57:22Speaker 04

  Against them, yeah, yeah.

• 57:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but don't worry, I'll give it all back with Denver.

• 57:25Speaker 04

  You know what's great with Tua?

• 57:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 04

  First of all, he throws like he has a bomb attached to his chest. Like, I, I know exactly where the timer is and I gotta get rid of it. But, you know, there were quarterbacks. He's throwing it in the ocean. Yeah, like Jimmy G, who are the guys who would like throw the hospital balls? Like even Peyton towards the end of his career, Jameis. He does this, he does it with the running backs. I've never seen it with running backs before, but he'll have a chain like flaring out and like, that's clearly the option, but doesn't get him the ball for a good five Mississippi count. And then he just gets blown up in the backfield. Like, he's throwing these passes for minus yards. It's remarkable what he's doing to it.

• 58:04Bill Simmons?

  He also does this Jedi mind trick on the announcers, cause he seems like he's in command. Yeah. At one point, Herb Street's like, I really like what I'm seeing from Tua. He's really, he's got command of this game. I really, and at that, he was like four yards a throw.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 58:22Bill Simmons?

  He was like 30, 30 attempts for 118 yards. Herb Street's praising him, then he throws an interception in triple coverage to end the game. But there's something about the rhythm of how he plays that you feel like it's going better than it actually is. Then you look at the stats, you're like, oh, this is going terribly.

• 58:40Speaker 04

  He had the one great drive at the end of the second quarter. And that was it. Otherwise, it's, you know, Tyreek Hill has his issues too, but he's like basically hugging the goalpost and 70 yards behind him, Tua's just completed a three yard pass. I'm not gonna keep doing this.

• 58:56Bill Simmons?

  Uh, three blowouts, Washington killed the Raiders. Big is taking Gentey at six is starting to look a little gamey.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:05Bill Simmons?

  When you think like Membo and the Jets and, and the right tackle that the Saint, or the left tackle, the Saints took, Banks.

• 59:14Bill Simmons?

  And then the Raiders can't block Vikings Bengals was a blowout. Five Bengals turnovers, two for TDs. That I think the, the, yeah, the biggest thing with this is Chase was going first in some leagues. He was certainly the first wide receiver, but in auctions, he was in the 50s.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 59:34Bill Simmons?

  In any snake draft, he was one, two or three.

• 59:38Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. That's if we were doing fantasy drafts over again, I don't think he's one of the top eight or nine picks without Borough.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  It's Jake Browning. I mean, and there was way too much.

• 59:47Bill Simmons?

  But it's a fantasy murder.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, for sure. And I felt Jefferson's the same in the same boat, but there was a ton of Jake Browning love this week. Like, yeah, you would have thought it was Jake from State Farm, the way they, the football pundits were like just going on and on about him. And what did he do? He was 19 for 27, 140, two interceptions.

• 1:00:07Bill Simmons?

  I had that game on the multi-view for a while and there were a few kind of showing him on the sidelines and it was a little deer in the headlights. Now granted, he's in Minnesota. They're blitzing on them. They're doing all this stuff.

• 1:00:18Speaker 04

  How do you, don't you have two multi-views going? There were nine games of some in the early slate.

• 1:00:22Bill Simmons?

  I did, I settled on, I had the four.

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Bill Simmons?

  Then I had two, I had a split. So I had two on one TV. And then I had Rams Eagles on the other TV. So I had seven. I just punted on two games.

• 1:00:37Speaker 04

  Am I the only lunatic?

• 1:00:38Bill Simmons?

  I didn't watch commanders Raiders at all.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  But why, you know, I, that was the kind of the one I dropped.

• 1:00:44Bill Simmons?

  Whatever the blowout game, I got rid of that immediately. I never watched that again.

• 1:00:48Speaker 04

  Why doesn't, maybe I'm the only one who wants this, but even DirecTV had the eight box. Come on YouTube. You can get that going or six, something six, not bad.

• 1:01:00Bill Simmons?

  The problem with red zone is I, I feel, I hate when the red zone is ahead of the game.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

• 1:01:06Bill Simmons?

  Sometimes red zone and they'll show it, but that then it's like behind in the box that I've been watching.

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  To switch your gaze and everything.

• 1:01:12Bill Simmons?

  So I'll get rid of it. Seahawks Saints, nothing happened there other than the Seahawks. Might have the makings of a top five defense. It's, it's, I'm not saying they're a top five defense, but there's some, some meat, some meat in that dish. And there's a Darnold, Gino seesaw right now where week one, oh, Gino, oh, darn. And now it's like, now it's Darnold and Gino's way down here. And I just feel like it's gonna keep doing probably.

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  For Pete Carroll. Turned 74 on Monday. Bad, not a great six days.

• 1:01:46Bill Simmons?

  So maybe old coaches, maybe this isn't a good thing to have a coach in your mid 70s. Cause you watch Carolina and Belichick and then Pete Carroll, like maybe there's a shelf life, which we could have told people, cause we've watched it happen with our own dads.

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  Of course. And we get excited because they were 1-0, right? I mean, it'd be your team. You didn't get too excited, but in Carroll's like chewing gum faster than you've ever seen before and doing pushups with the defensive line and stuff like, oh, this guy, he's 36, doesn't matter, but it's the team. I think you're right. Chanty maybe wasn't the right pick, maybe.

• 1:02:18Bill Simmons?

  It was a luxury pick for a team that was five, six players away.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it. You get that running back when you're, you're a playoff team.

• 1:02:26Bill Simmons?

  You do it when you're the Chargers and you take Hampton because you're close. You have a lot of talent.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Bill Simmons?

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• 1:03:15Bill Simmons?

  HR, finance and IT with a deep understanding of your organization's context and guardrails. So every AI action is permission aware, giving you accuracy 24/7 and the ability to not just get work done, but get it done right. It's a new workday. All right, cuz week four, you beat me first two weeks. I beat you last week. Thursday night, Cards Seahawks. It's in Arizona. And I think this is a good game. I'm actually like relatively excited to see what happens in this one. It'll be a defensive affair.

• 1:03:49Bill Simmons?

  I have the, I put this in the tic tac zone Cardinals by one and a half.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  Man, I put it in a tic tac zone too, but I thought Seattle would be favored by one and a half. You, you actually nailed it. It's the Cardinals at home by one and a half. But I guess that makes sense because San Francisco couldn't pull off a three or two against them. I don't know. I think Arizona maybe slaps them around a little in a stupid game, but I don't know.

• 1:04:18Bill Simmons?

  We have an Ireland game.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  Ah, you knew it.

• 1:04:21Bill Simmons?

  Well, I only knew it because the Ringer Fantasy guys are, are going there. So actually we're doing some shows and that's how I found out.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  You're writing a check for them to get on a plane.

• 1:04:35Bill Simmons?

  Writing a check so I could remember that there's an Ireland game. I was thinking today, I'm, I, I actually, I don't know if it wore me down.

• 1:04:45Bill Simmons?

  But now I kind of wish we had more 6:30 in the morning Pacific games. Like I could have used one today. I woke up, woke up because I was still in, I was in Boston for a long time and I came back and I was just kind of up at 6:30. I'm like, I wish, I wish we were in London right now with the Jags and the Browns. Just watching some terrible football.

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  Can I, can I sell you on seven AM? I know if there's overtime, it overlaps with the early and nobody wants that, but.

• 1:05:14Bill Simmons?

  Oh, to throw in like have a little multi-view action?

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Well, it's just 7:00 AM and not 6:30. Like 6:30, I feel like a degenerate, like a bad father and husband and everything else. Yeah, yeah, I know.

• 1:05:28Bill Simmons?

  Seven's okay. You can sell me on seven.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  Okay, let's do that.

• 1:05:33Bill Simmons?

  I have Steelers in a pick 'em. I have this as an actual pick 'em Steelers, pick 'em Vikings.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  I don't know who gets it. I guess you do. I said, I said Steelers minus two.

• 1:05:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Speaker 04

  It's Vikings minus one and a half.

• 1:05:47Bill Simmons?

  Oh, great. Sounds really well played by me.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  I don't know. I guess that's right. I don't know, man. Rogers.

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  McCarthy will be out, right?

• 1:06:01Bill Simmons?

  From what I saw today from that Steelers team,

• 1:06:05Bill Simmons?

  this should be a nice matchup for the Vikings defense, but who knows?

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Bill Simmons?

  Sunday marquee.

• 1:06:15Bill Simmons?

  Ravens Chiefs in Kansas City.

• 1:06:18Bill Simmons?

  It's sad to make the KC. We keep complaining about how we're tired of watching them and yet they're clear of the marquee game in this. This will be a good game.

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:06:27Bill Simmons?

  I have the Ravens favored in this game. And I have the Ravens favored by two and a half.

• 1:06:33Speaker 04

  Oh, come on. Is this how it's gonna be?

• 1:06:36Bill Simmons?

  What is?

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  I said two and I thought I was a genius. I'm like, oh, people are gonna say, Bill's gonna say Kansas City's favorite. It's three. So you get it.

• 1:06:45Bill Simmons?

  Jesus.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  They love Fandel Vegas. They love the Ravens. Love the power ranking.

• 1:06:52Bill Simmons?

  It's tough when the Chiefs are trotting out two guys the Pats waived as their starting receivers. Like it just is. It's like they're their starting receivers, Juju Smith Schuster and Taquan Thornton. It's like, everyone said how terrible our receivers were. We waived both of those guys. Not great.

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're Chiefs. Well, if the Ravens give up 35, 40 to Detroit, I don't think they will tomorrow. And then we'll know that's pretty much their defense, right?

• 1:07:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  If two of them, and good teams are doing that to them. But I think it's a fair line.

• 1:07:21Bill Simmons?

  I have four watchables, starting with the Eagles at Tampa. And so we have, Mike Evans has had his annual hamstring injury, which in our, in our league that we're in together, the knockout league.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:07:36Bill Simmons?

  I of course have Mike Evans.

• 1:07:38Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:38Bill Simmons?

  Who always goes $10 less than he should because nobody wants to have him when he has the injury and he's gone for four weeks. But then the price hit a point where I was like, I'm just taking him. I'll get 10 good weeks out of him. Well, the hamstring injury happened.

• 1:07:52Speaker 04

  He'll get to 1,000 yards. He always does.

• 1:07:54Bill Simmons?

  It'll happen.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  Even if he needs 880.

• 1:07:56Bill Simmons?

  For the playoffs. Wirth's is coming back and apparently Godwin's coming back too. And oh, I, we kind of forgot to talk about that game, which is my fault. Tampa has now had three game winning drives.

• 1:08:08Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:09Bill Simmons?

  They're three and O with three game winning drives. And And

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  He's so exciting. He is so damn exciting, Baker. He's great. He is. And I didn't even think Tyrod Taylor was bad. Like, he threw a costly pick six, like, with 20 seconds left in the half, and that ended up being the difference. And, uh, but I think, like, Bowles kinda screwed up and let the Jets back in it. And then their guy was the only one to make a field goal in that early slot, and they won.

• 1:08:38Bill Simmons?

  I think he's become my favorite, uh, non-Patriots QB to watch. Cause I, oh, you know, he's, it's always exciting. The other team's always dropping interceptions that he's throwing them, or he'll make some great play. He'll start talking shit to people. Um, at the end of games, you always feel like he can come through. I don't know. I like him.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  I think he saves the one. Well, not that he needs a, everyone needs a nickname, but he's like a 1:00 PM savior, right? Like, he's always alive in the fourth quarter.

• 1:09:06Bill Simmons?

  King of the multi, dude.

• 1:09:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. Just that early slate that normally sucks. You know, you can count on him.

• 1:09:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So I have Eagles minus two and a half.

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  All right. I gotta make a comeback here. I don't know if I can. I said Eagles one. That was dumb. It's three.

• 1:09:24Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  Two, three, and oh teams. Let's do it.

• 1:09:29Bill Simmons?

  Also, two minus threes. We haven't had a lot of those in guest lines.

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:09:32Bill Simmons?

  Mm-hmm. Falcons home for Washington. No idea if Jaden Daniels is playing. I think the Falcons are gonna be one of these teams that there's the home Falcons line, and then there's the road Falcons line. We don't have a lot of these. I have Falcons minus one and a half.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  Um, man, I could've stole this from you, but my, my guess was even worse. I said Falcons minus two and a half. It's Washington minus three.

• 1:09:59Bill Simmons?

  Whoa, okay.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  Five and oh. So I guess it's two and a half now. Either way, you get it.

• 1:10:05Bill Simmons?

  Wow. What do you think the reason is for that?

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  I don't know. And it's, this is Mariota.

• 1:10:11Bill Simmons?

  Were so bad?

• 1:10:13Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:10:14Bill Simmons?

  But, no, but it's Mariota, though, unless we hear differently. So they must think Daniels is coming back.

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  I, I, like, you know, Washington, I guess they had that game in hand, but they gave up some big plays, too. Like, Trey Tucker's still scoring 50-yard touchdown as we speak. Yeah, that's a weird one.

• 1:10:32Bill Simmons?

  Well, we have three home dogs already. Just pointing that out. Rams, Rams home for the Colts.

• 1:10:40Bill Simmons?

  I really wanted to do Rams by three on this, but I think the Colts get a half point of respect. So I went Rams minus two and a half.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  Okay, I got this exactly. It's three and a half.

• 1:10:52Bill Simmons?

  Not a lot of respect for that.

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  I wish I was wasn't so, so angry at the Rams because this would be, I would be all over this.

• 1:11:02Speaker 04

  I might still, but I don't know. I don't know if I can forgive. I don't know.

• 1:11:05Bill Simmons?

  I know we talk about this every year, but the worst gambling beat of all time was the Music City Miracle. I think we decided this like 10 years ago.

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13Bill Simmons?

  That was number one because it was a playoff game.

• 1:11:16Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 1:11:17Bill Simmons?

  It not only swung it, but it also swung the line. Wasn't it? It was like Buffalo by five or something.

• 1:11:24Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. Yeah.

• 1:11:25Bill Simmons?

  So that not only they lose, but um.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think the miracle, I think it was an LA miracle that I didn't have money on it here at my home. I think that's why it didn't hurt as much.

• 1:11:39Bill Simmons?

  Niners Jaguars. So I assume Brock Purdy. But the Niners about a bunch of injuries and I, I don't know why I went low on this, but it felt the right thing to do. Niners minus three and a half.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Oh, you jerk. I thought you were gonna go even lower. I said four. It is three and a half.

• 1:12:01Bill Simmons?

  Oh, man, I'm, this is a good sign for my gambling when I'm, I'm on it with the Lions.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Good for you.

• 1:12:07Bill Simmons?

  Maybe I'm fine. Maybe I'm finally gonna get my shit together.

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  That's um.

• 1:12:12Bill Simmons?

  That's a fair line because the Jags, there's backdoor touchdown potential with the Jags.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  The stupid Jags could have been three and O. Like, how did they blow that Bengals game? Kind of dumb.

• 1:12:25Bill Simmons?

  Fairly watchables. Lions home for the Browns. And

• 1:12:31Bill Simmons?

  I just don't think the Browns can be a double digit underdog anymore. So I went, I went, uh, I went nine and a half for this. That was as high as I wanted to go.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  You are just edging me out. I thought they could be a double digit underdog. I had 10 and it's eight and a half.

• 1:12:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Speaker 04

  You got it.

• 1:12:46Bill Simmons?

  Their defense is too good. I don't, I don't think you can spot them that many points.

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  But if Detroit loses, this, this can't be a game that they screw around with, right? If they lose tomorrow.

• 1:12:59Speaker 04

  This is, alright, well, we'll talk, we'll talk turkey and teasers.

• 1:13:03Bill Simmons?

  We always try not to overreact after three weeks, but that Browns team seems like, yeah, I was, I was reading some of the quotes after. It's kind of an adult team. It's weird. Like Flacco was talking about, we went all week. We just talked about playing complimentary football, complimentary football.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  Adult team.

• 1:13:19Bill Simmons?

  For three hours, we played complimentary football and that's why we won. It's like, wow, that's an adult explanation, Joe Flacco.

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:27Bill Simmons?

  But yeah, they played defense. They don't beat themselves. They can run the ball a little bit with Judkins now. Their offensive line's okay.

• 1:13:33Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 1:13:33Bill Simmons?

  They have a couple of half decent receivers and they get stops on defense. Like they've done this now. They held the Bengals to 17 with Burrow.

• 1:13:42Speaker 04

  I can't believe this.

• 1:13:44Bill Simmons?

  I'm just saying.

• 1:13:45Speaker 04

  They suck. They should have been, they could have been shut out today.

• 1:13:49Bill Simmons?

  And they held the Packers to 10.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, that I saw. Yeah. Yeah. The defense is good. I don't know. I just, like I said, Flacco's thrown 100 times and they end up with like 17 points at the end.

• 1:14:00Bill Simmons?

  I'm not defending that. Uh, okay. Here is the, let's be careful out there, game of the week, Chargers at the Giants.

• 1:14:10Bill Simmons?

  After what we saw today, I don't see how this isn't at least Chargers by six. And I'm going to say Chargers by six and a half at the Giants.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  Oh, good. Okay. You left the door open there. I said five. It's five and a half.

• 1:14:25Bill Simmons?

  Vegas owned us.

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  I'm not, yeah, three and over, so and three. I don't know. It's only an hour since we saw how miserable they were, but this is not, if this game was like in December 2nd, I'm like, oh, Chargers are gonna get tripped up. I don't have that feeling right now with them.

• 1:14:45Bill Simmons?

  What do we call week four is the makeup mirror week?

• 1:14:48Speaker 04

  The makeup mirror?

• 1:14:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Well, you know, those mirrors that our wives have when you turn the light on and you can see all the, all the things on your face, just everything. It's like the crazy microscope view of your face.

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  This is it? Yeah.

• 1:15:00Bill Simmons?

  I think week four, you kind of know, we, we kind of know what the weaknesses are.

• 1:15:03Speaker 04

  It's the quarter mile. Yeah.

• 1:15:05Bill Simmons?

  With the Chargers, Hampton, really they're only running back now that Harris is out.

• 1:15:12Bill Simmons?

  Offensive line, just shaky enough that the Giants could, could probably pressure Herbert and do some stuff. Chargers on the road. This is a game the Chargers should win, but it's very similar to that Packers Browns game.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:15:25Bill Simmons?

  It's like, oh, if you're a really good team, you should win this. And then you don't.

• 1:15:28Speaker 04

  So I think Russ is, if that defense plays like they did against, uh, who'd they play on Monday night last week? What was that? They played the Raiders. Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I don't think Russ is going to be able to move this ball too much.

• 1:15:42Bill Simmons?

  Do we see Russ?

• 1:15:44Speaker 04

  You think this is where they switch it, huh?

• 1:15:46Bill Simmons?

  I would do it. I thought when Dart came in for those little option stuff, I just, they were immediately more dangerous for me. Cause of his athleticism. I would do it. I would just, I don't know what they're waiting for.

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  The fans are booing because they drafted a number, you know, they have a first rounder quarterback. Like, no, they're booing because they're New York. This is New York. This is what they're doing. Yeah.

• 1:16:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Mike, he came right in. He made friends with everybody. He loves being on the practice squad. They just love Jackson Dart.

• 1:16:16Speaker 04

  He might've set a pass rush record today, uh, tonight. I, I think I heard 25 when I wasn't even paying attention.

• 1:16:22Bill Simmons?

  They had that all 22 camera.

• 1:16:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:25Bill Simmons?

  And they were showing how Abdul Carter was like combo spy assassin.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 1:16:30Bill Simmons?

  Where he was like, kind of rushing, but also ready to be the spy. I've never seen a defensive lineman use that way. It was really interesting how they use it. Cause usually that's just like a pure linebacker.

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  Now I want to look for defensive rookie of the year. They might not have it up.

• 1:16:44Bill Simmons?

  He's a beast.

• 1:16:45Speaker 04

  It's right there.

• 1:16:47Bill Simmons?

  That kid at the Niners has a chance too. What are the, what are the odds for defensive rookie of the year?

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  I'm not seeing it now. They only have offensive up right now.

• 1:16:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they took it down because they knew we were going to talk about it.

• 1:17:01Bill Simmons?

  Next one. Texans Titans.

• 1:17:06Bill Simmons?

  I can honestly say I might skip this for the multi-view or even like any TV next week.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  No, you're gonna have too much money on them. You can't, you're gonna skip this.

• 1:17:16Bill Simmons?

  On money and who? I'm not betting this game.

• 1:17:18Speaker 04

  Texans.

• 1:17:19Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:17:20Speaker 04

  This is their season. That's it. They're a cross off.

• 1:17:23Bill Simmons?

  For the divisional nets? Yeah.

• 1:17:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Bill Simmons?

  Uh, it's in Houston. I'm gonna say Texans by five and a half.

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  All right, I get this. I said six and a half. It is seven and a half. Do I have a chance? That's seven, three, you're winning.

• 1:17:38Bill Simmons?

  Come on. Who's laying that many points for the team that can't run the ball or score?

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Well, you get, you get a free six with Cam.

• 1:17:45Bill Simmons?

  I guess they are going against Tommy Boy.

• 1:17:47Speaker 04

  Right. Tommy Boy.

• 1:17:50Bill Simmons?

  New guy's puking his guts out.

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  Fat guy with a little coat. Don't do it, Tommy Boy.

• 1:17:58Bill Simmons?

  Don't Tommy Boy.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  The Titans need you.

• 1:18:04Bill Simmons?

  Raiders, Bears. Wow.

• 1:18:08Bill Simmons?

  Somebody's favored by one and a half.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  Where is this?

• 1:18:12Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say it's in Vegas and I'm gonna say Vegas by one and a half.

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  Damn, you got it. You got it. I said two.

• 1:18:20Bill Simmons?

  One and a half?

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  Vegas exactly, one and a half. Yep.

• 1:18:25Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:18:26Speaker 04

  Both one and two?

• 1:18:28Bill Simmons?

  Kind of a kitchen sink game for the Raiders.

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  Someone's gonna win and people are gonna talk about the winner being in the playoff contention. Can we write that down that we're not gonna be that one of those people?

• 1:18:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, let's not do that.

• 1:18:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:42Bill Simmons?

  I do have something, speaking of the Raiders and Tom Brady.

• 1:18:47Bill Simmons?

  Cause I, I, I had Tom Brady for a decent chunk of the game because he was doing one of the late games.

• 1:18:54Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:55Bill Simmons?

  J.J. Watt was so much better than him as an announcer. J.J. Watt was fucking fantastic.

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  It's very good.

• 1:19:01Bill Simmons?

  Have you actually listened to one of his games? That was the first time I'd heard because he did stay with his Pats.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's actually.

• 1:19:06Bill Simmons?

  He was just awesome. Like he was laying out, he was immediately picking out whatever had happened on, on the line for every single play. Whatever happened, he was like, well, you know what? They, they missed that, the right tackle missed it and that allowed, and they didn't chip him and. But it was all like very accessible. Uh, he, he's not that funny. There's, there's not like a massive sense of humor with him. So Ian Eagle was really working hard because he's a funny guy.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:32Bill Simmons?

  And I think he can start pulling it out more and more, but from observation analysis, he was lights out.

• 1:19:38Speaker 04

  I knew he had a fake mustache. That's how much the comedy was lacking. He had this crazy, I don't know if you saw this.

• 1:19:43Bill Simmons?

  Well, that was because of this, it was because it was seventies throwback.

• 1:19:46Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. That's it. So that's where it was, but um, no, he was good.

• 1:19:50Bill Simmons?

  Excellent.

• 1:19:51Speaker 04

  He doesn't take himself seriously, right?

• 1:19:53Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:19:53Speaker 04

  But he got that, but he's a, he speaks on our level. He's good.

• 1:19:56Bill Simmons?

  Cause I was, as a Pats fan, I'm like, great. We got J J Watt, his brother's out there. We're gonna have to do this brother thing.

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:20:03Bill Simmons?

  But he, he like kinda really went against it. There was only one time when TJ Watt got held on a fourth down. And he's like, oh, they got away with a hold. I don't know how he saw it from the booth.

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  Grip the whole.

• 1:20:15Bill Simmons?

  And then they do the all 22 and it's like clearly gets hold and like, but he's just, he was seeing everything. And uh, I just, I, I thought he really helped me enjoy the game. Like I learned shit from him.

• 1:20:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26Bill Simmons?

  So kudos to him. I hope he keeps doing it.

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  That's good. I'm glad you're learning.

• 1:20:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Who's your, who's your Buck and Aikman are the number one right now, right? Well, you're biased. You're friends of Roman.

• 1:20:35Speaker 04

  I got a serum.

• 1:20:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you gotta stay out of it.

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  He's got like a five foot stand up right behind me.

• 1:20:41Bill Simmons?

  I know. This is a bad topic for you.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:43Bill Simmons?

  But Eagle and Watt is in the conversation now.

• 1:20:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Collins or Tariq are I really like. Um.

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  They're all good. I don't think we had five good teams. Um.

• 1:20:54Bill Simmons?

  Greg Olson's good. Yeah, we have at least five, right?

• 1:20:56Speaker 04

  Olson's very good. Yeah.

• 1:20:58Bill Simmons?

  And Brady, it's okay. I just feel like him and Burkard, it's not, something's missing and I don't know what it is. And may, maybe it's the fact that Brady's doing 17 other things.

• 1:21:07Speaker 04

  I feel like he's gonna grow on me. Eventually I'm gonna be like, yeah, this is good. Yeah, I think so. I just, I, we've, you and I have seen some long form stuff with him. Like there was a 30 for 30 on the tuck rule. He was great. I mean, yeah, I mean that.

• 1:21:20Bill Simmons?

  The more time he has, the better he is. Yeah.

• 1:21:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, that's fine.

• 1:21:24Bill Simmons?

  One thing I've noticed with him, because I don't think he's bad. I, I do think he brings some stuff to the table. But a lot of times he's better coming out of the timeout. When they can go like with like a big wide shot of the play and he's like, watch what and he'll like actually like really lay it out. I think he has problem in the moment when a play like dissecting it immediately, but when he has a little time, he's really good.

• 1:21:46Speaker 04

  Coach Tommy Boy has the exact opposite problem, very bad coming out of the timeout.

• 1:21:51Bill Simmons?

  Play game.

• 1:21:52Speaker 04

  Lights out everywhere else.

• 1:21:54Bill Simmons?

  He was doing the Chris Furl like, oh, god damn.

• 1:21:58Speaker 04

  Holy schnikes.

• 1:21:59Bill Simmons?

  How did I do that?

• 1:22:00Speaker 04

  We turned it over again.

• 1:22:05Bill Simmons?

  Poop facta. Bills Saints. Yanks. Saints were just, wow.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  Bills are favored. I'll give you a hint. I'll give you a clue there. Yeah.

• 1:22:16Bill Simmons?

  Saints in pole position now is the worst team in the league.

• 1:22:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:20Bill Simmons?

  So it's either 14 or 14 and a half. We haven't seen a line this high. And I, I kept it at 14 because of the, the Bills defense. So I've built by 14.

• 1:22:30Speaker 04

  You're gonna love this. No, it has to be higher because um, they were 12 and a half against the Dolphins. At least they have a pulse. Um, I said 15 and a half. It's 16 and a half.

• 1:22:42Speaker 04

  That's a good number. It's a good number.

• 1:22:45Bill Simmons?

  Holy moly.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  So let me read this to you. Spencer Rattler is 0 and 9 now as a starter.

• 1:22:52Bill Simmons?

  Has anyone gone 0 and 10?

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  There are two guys who have been 0 and 15. So he's got a little ways to go.

• 1:22:58Bill Simmons?

  Who were the two guys?

• 1:22:59Speaker 04

  You want to guess or is it two?

• 1:23:02Bill Simmons?

  This had to be from like when we were kids.

• 1:23:04Speaker 04

  No, definitely. Since we were, we, we, one of them, we gave a pretty good nickname to.

• 1:23:09Bill Simmons?

  Oh, it was a Kaiser, Kaiser Soze.

• 1:23:12Speaker 04

  That's the one. The Sean Kaiser Soze was 0 and 15 and Chris Winkie is the other one. He was before.

• 1:23:18Bill Simmons?

  Chris Winkie?

• 1:23:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Bill Simmons?

  He went 0 and 15?

• 1:23:21Speaker 04

  I didn't know he had that many starts in him like.

• 1:23:25Speaker 04

  I guess he did, right?

• 1:23:26Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, if you told me over under for Chris Winkie starts, I would have guessed like seven.

• 1:23:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, and 15.

• 1:23:32Bill Simmons?

  So did he ever get a win or no?

• 1:23:34Speaker 04

  Can Rattler get there? That I didn't look up. I just, uh, how, um.

• 1:23:38Bill Simmons?

  I gotta look this up now. How did Chris Winkie? Where was I?

• 1:23:43Speaker 04

  You had skipped those two years.

• 1:23:45Bill Simmons?

  I feel like we were even doing pods back then. We knew each other then.

• 1:23:48Speaker 04

  We did?

• 1:23:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:50Speaker 04

  He's drafted in 2001.

• 1:23:52Bill Simmons?

  But then he started in 06 and 07. Alright, so he finished 2 and 18 as a starter.

• 1:23:59Speaker 04

  And he lasted like five seasons?

• 1:24:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he was gone for three and then came back. Then the other one was Kaiser?

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:09Bill Simmons?

  I mean.

• 1:24:11Speaker 04

  15 is a lot, man.

• 1:24:12Bill Simmons?

  He never had a win. Oh, and 15 career.

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  He didn't get there? Really?

• 1:24:17Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  Oh, he's gotta come back.

• 1:24:20Bill Simmons?

  Oh, and 15 when the 2017 Browns and then played three more games off the bench for the Packers, but didn't start.

• 1:24:29Speaker 04

  Oh, I mean, the Cowboys will start him, right?

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  Maybe he could take a backseat for one game, right?

• 1:24:37Bill Simmons?

  His quarterback rating was 60 and a half. 58.9 for his career.

• 1:24:46Bill Simmons?

  He had 11 touchdowns and 22 picks in 2017 and then another two picks in 2018. So he finished with 11 touchdowns and 24 picks.

• 1:24:56Speaker 04

  Pretty good. Yeah, we loved it. We loved it when he was in. I think we were making money betting against him. We must have been, right?

• 1:25:02Bill Simmons?

  We actually were. I remember. Yeah, we don't have a Kaiser, so maybe Rattler could be the new Kaiser Sosa.

• 1:25:08Speaker 04

  Will they leave him in long enough, right? Who's knocking on his door? Hayner and Tyler Shuck?

• 1:25:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Tyler Shuck.

• 1:25:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think they can maybe give him that many starts. Good luck, Spencer.

• 1:25:24Bill Simmons?

  My other poop fact, the Patriots home again for the Panthers. This is a loser leaves town match and it might just be two losers. I have the Patriots favored by three.

• 1:25:36Speaker 04

  Let me see if this changed.

• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  Patriots are home, right?

• 1:25:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:41Speaker 04

  Four and a half. I had three also. You had three, you said three?

• 1:25:45Bill Simmons?

  I said three. So I won for the week.

• 1:25:48Speaker 04

  Is that it?

• 1:25:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I had a big lead for you.

• 1:25:51Speaker 04

  Oh shit, yeah, it's over, it's over. No, Green Bay, Dallas, there's two more, two Monday.

• 1:25:57Bill Simmons?

  Oh, there's two Monday?

• 1:25:58Speaker 04

  If you didn't see, you should get docked four games of not knowing there were two Monday.

• 1:26:02Bill Simmons?

  What was the other Monday game?

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  Oh, Cincinnati Denver.

• 1:26:05Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that got cut off my thing.

• 1:26:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:07Bill Simmons?

  I had a guess for that.

• 1:26:10Speaker 04

  You're gonna win anyway, you got it anyway. Nine, two, five. Damn, Jacoby.

• 1:26:17Speaker 04

  Mojo back.

• 1:26:18Bill Simmons?

  Your number one fan. Uh, okay, Sunday night, Packers at Cowboys, the Michael Parsons game.

• 1:26:25Bill Simmons?

  Jerry Jones, who's his interview with, you think?

• 1:26:29Bill Simmons?

  Don't you, who does he sit down with? What NBC person?

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  I'll let him sit down with the clapper. Doesn't that make the most sense?

• 1:26:35Bill Simmons?

  Clapper?

• 1:26:35Speaker 04

  They deserve each other at this point.

• 1:26:39Bill Simmons?

  I was watching, uh, college football on Saturday and there was like a weather delay in the Notre Dame game and Jason Garrett had to fill for like, I don't know, 10 minutes. It's the second time, cause that also happened in the NFL. I was trying to think who's, who's less equipped to be able to fill.

• 1:26:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:55Bill Simmons?

  The clapper are trying to be the filler.

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  Oh, they should, uh, they shouldn't do that anymore. If there's even a threat of a 2% chance of precipitation, they should get him the hell out of there. He shouldn't be it.

• 1:27:06Bill Simmons?

  Or just like queue up Seinfeld or something. Be like, we now bring you to a classic, season four Seinfeld.

• 1:27:13Speaker 04

  He just sings the Indiana Jones song over on a loop.

• 1:27:17Bill Simmons?

  I have the Packers by five in Dallas.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  Um, we split it, I said six. And I think it should be higher. It's five and a half.

• 1:27:26Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:27:27Speaker 04

  I mean, congratulations. There's your second leg of a teaser. I don't know who's first. I'm at, that's such a winner.

• 1:27:34Bill Simmons?

  Well, we're gonna have, it's gonna be a Jordan Love referendum for the next couple of days on the talk shows. And then, uh, he has the Dallas defense waiting for him.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  He does. And, and Micah is gonna end Dak's career, all that stuff. Yeah. Uh, it's gonna be a fun week.

• 1:27:51Bill Simmons?

  Monday night. Dolphins home for the Jets. Unbelievable. The Dolphins stink and they're gonna be favored in this game.

• 1:28:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Bill Simmons?

  And not only they'd be favored, I think they'd be favored by two and a half.

• 1:28:04Speaker 04

  You got it exactly. I said three. It's two and a half. Wow.

• 1:28:08Bill Simmons?

  I'm on it this week. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna open up on the betting this week.

• 1:28:12Speaker 04

  Spectacular cheating. You really did a great job.

• 1:28:14Bill Simmons?

  Never cheat.

• 1:28:15Speaker 04

  Manipulating these. Yeah.

• 1:28:18Speaker 04

  No, they're doing the thing like last week. They did the Mondays. One was at four, one was at seven on the West Coast. Now they're like, screw that. You're gonna have to watch both. One's at seven fifteen, one's at eight fifteen Eastern.

• 1:28:30Bill Simmons?

  I like that more.

• 1:28:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:32Bill Simmons?

  I thought the two in a row on Monday night was a little much.

• 1:28:35Speaker 04

  The other one's too late. Yeah.

• 1:28:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's just, come on. It's like, I just did 10 hours on Sunday. Now I gotta do another six on Monday.

• 1:28:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:28:43Bill Simmons?

  Bring them a little closer.

• 1:28:44Speaker 04

  I mean, who did it? Was it Chris Fowler with laryngitis? Like, that's how.

• 1:28:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Speaker 04

  Was it Reese Davis or Chris Fowler? Are they the same person?

• 1:28:53Bill Simmons?

  Chris Fowler did it.

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  Chris Fowler.

• 1:28:55Speaker 00

  I'm like this all the time.

• 1:28:57Bill Simmons?

  Uh, and then Broncos Bengals in Denver, Jake Browning. And yet Denver, uh, I just don't think they could be favored by more than like four and a half. So I'm gonna go four and a half.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, I went even lower. I said four, seven and a half.

• 1:29:13Bill Simmons?

  Oh, come on.

• 1:29:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, but that's also, they, they can't lose that game though, Denver. They gotta, that, they just, we just saw what Jake the Snake did against a good defense. So.

• 1:29:26Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I forgot that we were calling him Jake the Snake.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Bill Simmons?

  All right, we're tied two to two.

• 1:29:32Speaker 04

  Damn. Damn, that's not fun.

• 1:29:35Bill Simmons?

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• 1:31:11Speaker 04

  All right. Mine, it's just gonna be a short one, but it's, so my family and I spent some time with our cousin Jimmy Kimmel and his family the other night after a tumultuous week, to say the least.

• 1:31:23Bill Simmons?

  A good word for it, yeah.

• 1:31:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. And the kids, my kids, I think, I think they felt weird approaching him at first. And my middle guy, Jack, who is a junior in high school, breaks the ice and says in his deadpan way, says, hey, some kids at school say it's not right. What happened to you? And then just leaves it there. Like, really like, and so, and Jimmy says, well, what did you say? He's like, I said, yeah, I think you're right. And Jimmy's like, well, next time, tell them, uh, I'm not too worried about what happens. My cousin Jimmy is an excellent dancer. And Jack was stone faced, taking it in and nodded like, okay.

• 1:32:03Speaker 04

  And I guarantee tomorrow, he's going to take this literally and, and say this to high schoolers. There's no doubt about it. I guarantee, guarantee it. So there you go. He's an excellent dancer.

• 1:32:15Bill Simmons?

  Were, were your kids, you're get, they're getting this in school?

• 1:32:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. They're getting it in school.

• 1:32:21Bill Simmons?

  My kids were getting it and your kids are actually related to Jimmy.

• 1:32:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. Yeah. And they're younger. I mean, you know, it's just a quick, I, that's all I have to say right now. I can't really say anything. You and I, I know too much.

• 1:32:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we're, we both know too much and we're, yeah, we both know too much and we, we not only, not only our cousin, but all the people working for the show and, uh, it's better if we're not talking about this in any way.

• 1:32:47Speaker 04

  When I can, I will. I probably, I think you wrapped it up pretty well the other day. I didn't listen, but someone told me what you said didn't sound too stupid. So good.

• 1:32:55Bill Simmons?

  Didn't listen? That's.

• 1:32:56Speaker 04

  No, I listened. I listened. No, it was good.

• 1:32:59Bill Simmons?

  Um.

• 1:33:03Bill Simmons?

  I hope it works out.

• 1:33:05Speaker 04

  Wouldn't that be nice?

• 1:33:06Bill Simmons?

  I hope it has a nice, nice, happy ending in some, in some fashion.

• 1:33:12Bill Simmons?

  We'll see that. Yeah, the, we, we'd probably talk about it more if we knew what was going to happen. And I think, you know, we're too far under the hood in this one. So it's better that we don't really talk about it.

• 1:33:24Bill Simmons?

  So.

• 1:33:26Bill Simmons?

  My, my, uh, my mom has really taken it up a level with the texts. And. She sends me these random ones, including one on Monday where, uh, she's asked me about the weekend and then texted about the podcast.

• 1:33:44Bill Simmons?

  Watching you and Sal, what happened to your right eye?

• 1:33:47Speaker 04

  Oh, oh no.

• 1:33:50Bill Simmons?

  And I'm like, I don't know, I'm in Boston, my contacts like, she's like, looked like your eyelid was bruised in the inside corner and I, and I was bloodshot. Thought Carrie threw another shoe at you.

• 1:34:03Bill Simmons?

  So, so this is a story when my wife and I were living together in Boston where we weren't even engaged. I lived in this apartment where we put all our stairs in the, you walked in the door and we put all our stairs at the bottom and then you would, this is when I lived in Charleston, then you would walk up the stairs to where the, the room was. So my wife was, was up ahead of me. We'd just gone out to dinner and had a couple of drinks. And she didn't realize I was behind her and she was taking off her shoe, her shoes. And she whipped the shoe back, but I was actually coming around the corner of the thing. And she nailed me in the eye. And my mom has been bringing this up now for 27 years. It was like a domestic violence incident carried through, like she's, I don't think she's ever really fully believed the story.

• 1:34:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think she's waiting for you to break down and tell her the truth one day. It's like, wow, you know, you remember that time, well, here's what actually happened. And this is really what happened. It was, she's the top of the stairs. She was kicking off her shoe, kicked it down and it just like nailed me in the eye. And I think my mom's brought it up once, my mom's brought it up once a year ever since. So somehow, somehow yet again, it came up. And she also has had a lot of, lot of thoughts about our cousin that I'm not going to, about, about the, the treatment that I'm not going to read in, but she's been weighing it a lot on texts lately. She thinks other people should get kicked in the eye. Yeah. I think the texting with the, with our moms, you know, the, with the technology was dicey there for a while.

• 1:35:33Bill Simmons?

  Right. And then they started to go on Facebook. Your mom was big on Facebook. My mom is more of a reader of Facebook. And the text were always like incoherent misspellings, but now they're just like very direct. Like, what's going on with this? Or like some crazy comment, or Bill Maher's dead to me, or like, just like, just very direct stuff. And I've really enjoyed her texts.

• 1:35:57Speaker 04

  Do you get a lot of AI? I'm getting a ton of AI stuff from my mother. Like, look at this. Just then, just videos that are clearly not, some of them are tough to distinguish, but it'll be like Jimmy talking and like, no, he hasn't said anything about this. What do you, what, come on, stop. But yeah, that, that part could.

• 1:36:15Bill Simmons?

  There was a great Belichick, whatever her name is, video the, yesterday.

• 1:36:20Speaker 04

  Jordan.

• 1:36:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Well, because they were, there was video of her going on the sidelines, talking.

• 1:36:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:36:26Bill Simmons?

  So of course, my, my, all my past fans, we're just like, wow, this, could this be going worse?

• 1:36:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:32Bill Simmons?

  Like, this is the greatest NFL coach of all time. This has been the most humiliating year ever. He's getting his ass kicked in these games. He's got this 25 year old coming on the sidelines when he's trying to coach. Like, how did he get to this point? But there was this AI thing where they're talking and then all of a sudden they start making out? And I actually believed it for a split second. I was like, oh my God, what's he doing? And then I was like, oh, this is AI. They got me. But we're going to hit a point where it has to say AI in the corner, right?

• 1:37:01Speaker 04

  It would, it's going to happen.

• 1:37:03Bill Simmons?

  Start to put like, it has to be like watermarked AI. Because it's too easy now to fake this stuff.

• 1:37:08Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. Yeah, I want to see one of Jordan kicking her heels off and one hitting Bill in the eye. And the other Bill, Belichick.

• 1:37:18Bill Simmons?

  Listen, my mom's still investigating this. It's like a Dateline ABC.

• 1:37:22Speaker 04

  So what did you say to her with that particular comment?

• 1:37:26Bill Simmons?

  I think I just, I'm old and I slept wrong. And I don't know, my, I don't know what happened. It was like, there was nothing. No, Carrie didn't throw another shoe at me. I'm fine.

• 1:37:37Bill Simmons?

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• 1:37:59Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:38:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. We'll see how it goes.

• 1:38:04Speaker 04

  I wish I could say anything. There are a couple of bombshells still there, so, uh, I'm feeling good. We're gonna be all right. Everything's gonna be just fine.

• 1:38:13Bill Simmons?

  I think we'll be fine. You know, I'm not betting against our cousin.

• 1:38:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:16Bill Simmons?

  He'll be fine. Whatever he wants to do. Hey, listen, he might, he might just want to be a pop-up chef to start making barbecue around, around the South Bay area. He'll do a great job.

• 1:38:28Speaker 04

  Be happy.

• 1:38:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He'll, he'll, he'll be fine. Anything you want to plug before we go?

• 1:38:34Speaker 04

  Ringer Gambling Show all week long. You can catch me with Tate on Tuesday. You can catch me House and DeBundo on Wednesday, and then I'm with DeBundo and Hi Fitz on Friday, and Ryan Fitzpatrick will join us as well on Friday. So that's gonna be fun.

• 1:38:48Bill Simmons?

  I zoomed into that Wednesday show with you and DeBundo and House. I was power walking around Boston, and I was outraged. I just jack patched me, and all of a sudden I was on the show.

• 1:38:58Speaker 04

  DeBundo wouldn't, he passed on the Thursday night game. We spent 10 minutes previewing the Thursday night game, and he passed on it.

• 1:39:05Bill Simmons?

  You can't pass on the one game, right?

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  He's on a gambling show where you have to give picks. You were worked up. You had that busted eye and everything. You were walking the streets of Boston.

• 1:39:14Bill Simmons?

  Karen just hit me with a shoe.

• 1:39:17Speaker 04

  I was like, nice working with you at DeBundo. I think you have to make picks on these gambling shows.

• 1:39:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure. It's the games tomorrow night. It's the only NFL game. We'd like a pick. He wouldn't even do the over for the Miami total.

• 1:39:29Speaker 04

  That's what I, that's, that was my, I didn't have a lean on it either. Yeah, anyway. Also, I want to say Sportsbook Consigliere, David Sharapin, passed away this weekend. He was a really good dude. He was a fan of ours. He's, um, you know, I'm not gonna pretend to be his best friend, but I'd see him in Vegas, in front of and behind the counter, worked at various sportsbooks. We shoot the shit. Super nice fella, and one of the few, maybe the only, sports gambler who seemed to be loved by everyone. Is there a sports gambler that's loved by everyone? I don't think, I think that's harder than a three-team teaser. I don't think you could do that.

• 1:40:03Bill Simmons?

  I certainly can't think of one.

• 1:40:05Speaker 04

  No, he's the only one.

• 1:40:06Bill Simmons?

  No, he's gone.

• 1:40:07Speaker 04

  Rest in parlay, Steve.

• 1:40:10Bill Simmons?

  You know, the only other thing I had for you before we go.

• 1:40:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:40:13Bill Simmons?

  I haven't won our fantasy football league.

• 1:40:17Bill Simmons?

  And since 2008.

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  What are you, 2007?

• 1:40:22Bill Simmons?

  No. I just like my team this year.

• 1:40:26Speaker 04

  All right, let's see.

• 1:40:27Bill Simmons?

  I, I just, I, I feel like. I feel like I might have something to share with my team.

• 1:40:35Speaker 04

  Let me see, we're double deuce. All right. So you're gonna win by, you're gonna beat Hench this week?

• 1:40:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I have the Caleb Williams, Baker Mayfield QB combo. James Cook. I have the two Pats running backs. So the Ramon is about to get waved. So that'll be Trevion Henderson going forward. I have this Ollie Gordon on my, on Miami and Woody Marks on Houston. I feel like one of those is gonna come on. Nico Collins, Mike Evans, Tyreek Hill. I have Brock Bowers and Tucker Craft.

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  Not bad.

• 1:41:04Bill Simmons?

  I have I am Anar and a booty and duh and Dobbs.

• 1:41:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:41:11Bill Simmons?

  And then Braylon Allen and the Jets. I feel like I'm gonna get lucky. I have all my fab left. I just kinda like my team this year. I like my quarterbacks. I feel like I'm gonna, I feel like I can make a run.

• 1:41:21Speaker 04

  I mean, you're definitely gonna lose this week. Now that you talk them up, you have a 37 point lead going up against Gibbs and Laporta. But, uh.

• 1:41:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I feel pretty good about that. 37.4 point lead. And then your team has. What do you have?

• 1:41:37Speaker 04

  I have a 21.

• 1:41:39Bill Simmons?

  A Chan and Jacobs, Jefferson, McLaurin, Garrett Wilson. Yeah, my team's way better than yours.

• 1:41:44Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:41:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:46Speaker 04

  I have Kenneth Walker on my bench. I'll figure it out. Yeah, I'm gonna lose this week.

• 1:41:50Bill Simmons?

  You have Shakir.

• 1:41:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:53Bill Simmons?

  Who would be the number, who's the number one pick if we're doing a fantasy draft right now?

• 1:41:58Speaker 04

  Jonathan Taylor, I think, right?

• 1:42:00Bill Simmons?

  Is it?

• 1:42:01Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think you're right.

• 1:42:03Speaker 04

  He's got monster, uh, numbers here.

• 1:42:07Speaker 04

  I don't, are you, how many, aren't we in like seven leagues? I can't even.

• 1:42:11Bill Simmons?

  Well, we're doing this guillotine league, which has been, that's been really fun.

• 1:42:15Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:42:16Bill Simmons?

  I'm in, I'm in two guillotine leagues and two knockout leagues, then the Ringer Fantasy League that I think I'm gonna be in last place for.

• 1:42:25Speaker 04

  Oh, you are? And we had a draft punishments. What was your punishment?

• 1:42:28Bill Simmons?

  I can't, it wasn't anything that bad.

• 1:42:31Speaker 04

  One of them was like no coffee for a week and you like almost started crying when you saw that.

• 1:42:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I wouldn't be able to do that. That would have been really tough. I think mine was Carrie has to throw a shoe at Vegas.

• 1:42:43Speaker 04

  I wish I had known that story.

• 1:42:45Bill Simmons?

  That my mom chases it down for 27 years. I should have taken a video of the stairway, like reenact it, what happened.

• 1:42:52Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was, wasn't great. Anyway, all right, cuz, as always, especially this week, good job by you.

• 1:43:01Speaker 04

  Good job by you, buddy.

• 1:43:03Bill Simmons?

  Thanks to Eduardo and Gahow as well. Don't forget new rewatchables coming Monday. We did Airplane, Sal.

• 1:43:08Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:43:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Airplane and then Prestige TV Task on HBO. Episode three, just broke that down. Yeah, surely can't be serious. All right, see you next week, Sal.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  See you, bud.

• 1:43:34Bill Simmons?

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