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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Danny Jones is the host of the Concrete Podcast. In this conversation, we talk about a number of his wild, crazy guests, what he thinks about the current state of media, and how exactly he's been building an independent media company. I really enjoyed this conversation with Danny, and I hope you guys enjoyed it as well. Let me know at the end of the conversation on Twitter, what you thought, what we could improve, and what your next guest that you'd like to see would be.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

• 0:57Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, guys. Bang, bang. I've got Danny here with me. You have one of the wildest podcasts, I think, that I've seen in a long time. You go and you find people who no one knows, who are kind of on the fringes of society, and you try to bring them to the mainstream. I think it's one of your main focuses with your podcast. Talk a little bit about where do you find these just crazy characters that you end up bringing on the show?

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Usually, I find some of the... The whole thing started with like doing documentaries and kind of doing like Run and Gun style shoots and mini-docs. One of my most popular little mini-documentaries is called Deckhands. And basically, we found a couple of guys that were drinking natty lights behind a 7-Eleven in a local town near me called Madeira Beach. And the guy ended up like taking us to his boat and showing us his porn collection and like blasting Marilyn Manson at obscene volumes, like so the whole neighborhood could hear. And we just filmed like these crazy people.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  That we didn't, we couldn't even imagine existed and putting it on YouTube. And now I'm trying to like, I've tried to take that same concept into a podcast format where I just find random crazy people or now I hear about them or they email me and I just bring them on and

• 2:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  And talk to them.

• 2:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, what is the bar for like crazy enough or interesting enough? Is there some way or is it just like whatever you're personally interested in?

• 2:25Speaker 02

  Just whatever I'm personally interested in, yeah.

• 2:26Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And as you have found these individuals, are there common themes? Like you've literally had everyone from a CIA whistleblower to the Sinoa cartel, like analysis. It just seems like they're all fringe, they're all weird, but what's the common kind of thread through all of this?

• 2:44Speaker 02

  There really is no common thread through all of it, honestly. I just kind of like lately, it's just been getting introduced to people or learning about people through like my audience now. Because I can only do so much myself, like I can only go out and seek out as many people, so many people. Now I rely a lot on people in my audience, people emailing me, you know, calling me and saying, hey, look into this guy, this guy might be cool. And then taking a chance and learning shit, you know what I mean? Having people that I would never be interested in otherwise.

• 3:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there anybody who has either reached out or somebody's told you like, hey, go check this person out? They're just too crazy. You're just like, I just can't do it.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Recently, actually I have a guy coming on who's, who's gonna be, is the first guest that I'm gonna have that I won't be able to publish it on YouTube. Cause I'll definitely get my channel deleted.

• 3:32Anthony Pompliano?

  What, who's person?

• 3:33Speaker 02

  So, um, he is, there's a documentary made about him called Mr. Death.

• 3:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  He was raised in a town in like the Midwest and his, basically what happened to him is he got contracted by all the prisons to develop the execution tactic. So like he developed the electric chair. He reinvented the electric chair to make it so it actually worked and they didn't have to like electrocute people 10 times before they actually died. He actually redeveloped the gallows, the gas chambers, all the means of execution in prisons in the US like since the 60s. And really weird, interesting guy. But the part, the part about

• 4:22Speaker 02

  him that sucks is that, well, I can't talk, put him on YouTube or anything because he doesn't believe the Holocaust is real. Like, he's like, he will die on that thing. He's like, I don't think it was real. He literally went to like, he went to Germany and visited all these places and did studies on it. And he

• 4:39Anthony Pompliano?

  He's very convinced.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Very controversial and convinced and set in his ways. And that's just a conversation that you gotta keep off of

• 4:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Social media.

• 4:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you think about Susan and the YouTube team and like what, what they allow on the platform, what they don't?

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I know shit's gonna be good. I know the best, like, with some of the best content, the best documentaries and best projects I've ever worked on, it's all stuff that gives me just like this burning feeling in my stomach that I know like, people are gonna be mad. People are gonna be pissed off.

• 5:09Anthony Pompliano?

  Same.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:12Anthony Pompliano?

  You, you know, but it's also a part of it feels like I have to learn. I, I, I want to talk to that person. Like, we had Andrew Tate on, and the video is up for a month, million plus views, and randomly just gets taken down one day.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Oh, it got taken down?

• 5:30Anthony Pompliano?

  So I reach out to YouTube, right? And of course, they give you no real answers, whatever. And then eventually, the person we work with at YouTube, they start telling us, hey, there's more, whatever, all the way to come back and like the timestamps on the video. And they're like, hey, this is why it gets taken down. And obviously, we disagree, they don't, whatever. And so you can choose to like, fight it, or just say, hey, whatever, we're gonna move on. And what you find through all of that process is like, you know, the number one question I got from people after we released the episode? What was he like in person?

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Really?

• 6:00Anthony Pompliano?

  All these people had opinions about a guy. But no one had ever met him. No one had ever talked to him. So all the people on the internet who were saying like, I like him, I don't like him this, that, whatever, they never talked to him.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:11Anthony Pompliano?

  And so it was fascinating to me because people who, and like folks that you wouldn't think cared about that stuff, whether they were really successful investors, entrepreneurs, you know, people in the, in the business world, whatever, they wanted to know. I see him in the headlines. I see this, whatever, like, what was he like in person? And I think that goes back to this whole idea of like, you know that it's, some people are gonna be mad, but like, to some degree, you, you have to talk to them. Like, how are you gonna learn without talking to them?

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Right, right. Yeah. And see like, how their mind works and actually sit, like, sitting down with somebody in person is so much different than like, getting a perspective through the internet, through like, the lens of the internet, or all the clips that are on social media. I feel, I didn't know, I didn't know the first thing about Andrew Tate before this whole thing went crazy. Like, I didn't know, I had to go watch a couple of videos to figure out what he was all about. And it seems like he has a legit, like, a cult following.

• 7:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And there's a lot of people, I think, on the internet that are like this, where you can judge them in long form, you can judge them by, you know, 20 second clips or whatever, but you can take the same person, and depending on how it's packaged and presented, you get completely different views of people. Have you ever seen the, I think it's, I'm gonna mess it up, because I know nothing about the royal family, but is it Prince Harry, or Prince William, or whatever the guys, and there's this thing on a photo that always goes viral on Twitter and Instagram, and he is basically, looks like he's flicking off like a crowd, but then they have a second photo, and what he's really doing is he has like, three fingers up, but from the side view, it looks like he's flicking them off. And so they're always like, hey, be

• 7:43Anthony Pompliano?

  careful what you see on the internet, you know, like, the photos could be misleading, all this stuff. And I always think of that specific image as like, from the side, it looks like he's pissed, he's flicking off the camera, flicking off the crowd, all this stuff, and then you turn around and look at him straight on.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a weird thing, right? That's a weird thing, especially with, not even the internet, just celebrities too. Like, people will be so infatuated with certain people, or certain celebrities online, and when they meet them in real life, it's kind of like a letdown. Like, these people are false prophets. They're really just really good at one thing. Yeah, they're really just humans that are really good at one thing, or really good at, like, being loud about certain things.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's weird.

• 8:25Anthony Pompliano?

  When you talk to somebody like, you talk to somebody about the Cenotaph cartel. And that's a topic that most people in America have no clue about, they don't think about, whatever. Like, walk me through how you think about learning about a topic like that before the interview.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  I, to be honest, I just watched a couple documentaries about something before, like, for the guy who came in for the Cenotaph cartel, I've always been super interested in that subject. Like, reading, I, you know, I don't really read books, but I actually have read a book by, I read a book that was written by Pablo Escobar's brother. He was like the accountant for the Medellin cartel. And that kind of got me interested a long time ago. Never, I mean, everybody watches drug cartel documentaries for the most part, right? So you've seen stuff like that.

• 9:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Netflix keeps producing them, so somebody's watching.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  For real. And there's always stuff in the headlines regarding that. And I didn't realize, like, the way it were, like, so when I did that recent documentary with Luis Chaparro, he lives in Mexico and he reports on the Cenotaph cartel and all the things that go on in the Cenotaph cartel. I had like a broad understanding of what it was. A friend of mine just recommended him to me. And when the guy came in, I learned so much about it. Like, this is how it usually works. Like, when these people come in and I talk to them, like, I learned so much about that topic, I want to like, immediately bring them back and talk to them again, because I've learned so much from that first interaction with them.

• 9:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you think of it as an interview or as a documentary?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  I think of them as documentaries, for sure. Like, I think of each, like, I talked to you before we started, I used to only do documentaries and like television content. And when I started doing the podcast, I kind of thought, I think of it as a documentary without the editing, and without the music, and without the B-roll.

• 10:12Anthony Pompliano?

  And what is easier and harder about the interview versus just a traditional documentary?

• 10:19Speaker 02

  The interview is way harder because you have to be good at talking. You have to be intelligent. You have to be knowledgeable. When you're doing a documentary, you're just, you're out, you're off camera. You can go back and meet up with this person as many times. Like, I can go meet up with somebody, talk to them for an hour on camera, come back, edit it, figure out what's good and where I want to go from there. Meet up with them again, shoot again, go interview other people, give it context. With this, it's kind of like one shot, you know, like, you know, but you have a successful podcast. You have a two, three hour shot to basically get as much out of somebody as you possibly can. And then you have to actually, at the same time, you have to be able to communicate well. Like, that's something I suck, I still suck at, is communication. So like, being able to play this ping pong match of a podcast and actually draw the right stuff

• 11:04Speaker 02

  out of somebody is such a unique talent that I'm trying to get better at. But a lot of people are naturally good at it. Like, you're naturally good at it. Julian, trying to fire, he's amazing at it. But I think like this, this talent that you develop by doing this art form translates to so many different aspects of life.

• 11:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Like what?

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Like, just anything, like, like building relationships. Like, if you're in, if you're in business and you want to get new clients, if you want to make people like you, if you want to, everything, just communication. Communicating with humans is, I think, one of the most important aspects of, of life.

• 11:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  That's, that's what makes life better and more enriching.

• 11:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. It's also interesting that you said you don't read books, but you do quite a bit watching documentaries. And then you obviously talk to people as well. What is, the books are just boring, or?

• 11:57Speaker 02

  I listen to audiobooks. I'm just a slow reader, not very smart. I dropped out of college, like, first year. So, I don't, I don't, I don't know, like, sitting down, reading, turning pages to me is not something, I don't, I have two kids, so that, that kind of like gets in the way. But like, traveling here, I could listen to an audiobook, or, you know, driving anywhere, or at the gym or something like that, it's easier to listen to podcasts than audiobooks for me.

• 12:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I am, so that's what I did for the last four or five years, was I don't think I read a book. I think I listened to them all on audiobook and then I listened to a lot of podcasts. And about four months ago, I sat down, somebody gave me a physical book and I was like, this looks interesting. And I sat down to read it and my head hurt. I couldn't read it.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:36Anthony Pompliano?

  And I was like, oh, this is not good. And like, I was like scared to tell anyone because I was like, oh my God, like my brain doesn't work. I'm literally a moron. I can't read a book. But what I realized was it wasn't reading, hopefully I know how to read. It was more so the concentration.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:53Anthony Pompliano?

  And so I started looking online. I'm like, why is this happening? And one of the things that I realized is like, when you read a book, it is something that doesn't have the LED screen behind it. And what has happened to many of our minds and eyes and things like that is we never look at distance. If you're inside all day long and you just have a screen and it's, you know, two feet, three feet away from your face.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:17Anthony Pompliano?

  How far do you look? Maybe you turn to like your colleague and you look 10 feet away, but you never have to look 50 feet out in front of you for the most part. And so your eyes aren't used to depth, kind of going back and forth. And it's not used to looking at things other than an LED screen for long periods of time. So it tricks your brain into like not being able to do it. And so then I just ordered a bunch of physical books and I was like, I'm not going to fucking lose the ability to like look at a physical book. So for four months, that's pretty much all I've done. No audio, or actually not sure. I listened to one book on audio when I was running and things like that. But yeah, I've just been reading physical books and like now I feel like a machine, but I'm not nearly as fast as listening on, you know, one and a half speed on audio.

• 13:58Anthony Pompliano?

  And so I'm scared to go back because I'm like, I built up this muscle memory, but if I go back to audiobooks, what happens?

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Do you think you retain information better when you read it with your eyes versus listening to it?

• 14:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Hundred times better.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  Really? Yeah. I've heard it makes you, you speak and articulate better too.

• 14:14Anthony Pompliano?

  That wouldn't surprise me. I don't know for sure, but like, I definitely retain the information better. Because like, you know, you listen to audiobook and like, maybe your mind wanders a little bit and you're like, oh, I'm listening to the book. But maybe it's like 80% retention reading and it's like 65% with audiobook or 70%. It's not that big of a difference, but it's definitely, especially around like specific data points or numbers, something like that. But the other thing is that you can't be doing anything else.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:43Anthony Pompliano?

  So like with an audio book, you can drive, you can be at the gym, whatever. Like you have so much more opportunity to consume audio in your day than sit down with a book and like, this is all I'm gonna do.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:53Anthony Pompliano?

  And so like people who just sit and read all day, like I'm jealous of them because like that sounds like a pretty cool life, but at the same time, like you can't do anything else. I don't know how they're productive.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Right. What, when do you find time to do it?

• 15:05Anthony Pompliano?

  I schedule it.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  You do, you have to have, you have to be pretty disciplined to do that, right?

• 15:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Like now, especially at night, like I'm like, all right, at this point, I'm gonna sit down with this book and I'm not getting up for an hour and a half. And then, you know, I get mad at myself and like start playing on my phone or whatever. Like you just realize like, yeah, we're addicted and we are a hundred percent addicted.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, it's hard, man. I mean, I only, I have a Kindle. I read a book on my Kindle like earlier this year. But I mean, as far as like a page turning book, like the physical one, that's.

• 15:32Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm telling you, if you try to do it and you can't do it, you'll, it's like a mindfuck. You're like, oh my God. I have like tricked my brain into this dopamine like machine.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Where I cannot stare at just a piece of paper.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's gotta be super good for you to sit down and actually read a book and find that. It's gotta be such, so good for just like discipline too, to carve out an hour of your day and just sit there in the quiet. Do you have kids?

• 15:57Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I have a 10 month old daughter.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:00Anthony Pompliano?

  But so she, she sleeps so hot.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Okay, you're lucky. My kids don't sleep.

• 16:04Anthony Pompliano?

  How old are they?

• 16:05Speaker 02

  I have a three year old and a two week old.

• 16:08Anthony Pompliano?

  A two week old.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:09Anthony Pompliano?

  There's no sleeping going on there.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  No, none.

• 16:12Anthony Pompliano?

  The, when you think of a lot of the guests that you've brought in, so if you look at like somebody like the CIA whistleblower, right?

• 16:20Anthony Pompliano?

  How do you structure what to learn from them? Like there's so many different things that somebody like the CIA whistleblower that is it just whatever you're interested, you start asking questions and three hours later you stop? Or do you go into it with a plan as to what you're gonna talk about?

• 16:33Speaker 02

  No, I like, are you talking about John Kerry Akku? Yeah, yeah. So with him, I had sort of a rough idea of what I wanted to talk to him about. Like I had a couple rough topics built out in my mind from the couple documentaries or videos that I had watched beforehand. So I had an idea of who he was, what he had done and what I was interested in before. Like I did a little bit of research on him, obviously. But like as far as like a structured framework, details of every single talking point I wanted to hit, no, not at all. Just kind of like let it flow.

• 17:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you let them edit afterwards? Like it's pre-recorded if they say to you like, hey, can we take this out?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. If anyone ever, if they ever say like, I want to cut that out. Or sometimes they have like bathroom breaks in the middle, we'll cut it out. It's not a big deal. But typically like 99% of them, we don't edit at all.

• 17:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, that's how we are as well. And we joke that the people who always ask for something edited are the ones who like, dude, nobody cares.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  It rarely happens. It rarely happens.

• 17:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Right. Nobody cares about that one offhand comment, but like to them it really matters. Like, sure.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I want to kind of get away from, I don't know how I got pigeonholed into like doing the, I've had a few CIA people on the show. And I just recently had an FBI person on the show. I don't know how I spiraled down, went down that branch, but.

• 17:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Do they recommend each other?

• 17:49Speaker 02

  I want to get away from it. Yeah. Uh, no, some of them do, but usually it's like the audience will be like, yo, get this guy on. He'll be really good. And that usually does really good. Like, like if you look at the metrics and views and everything, like, yeah, it works good. But I'm not super like into that. That's not like what I wanted to do when I started the podcast.

• 18:08Anthony Pompliano?

  What did you want to do?

• 18:09Speaker 02

  I just wanted to make it like freakazoids, you know, like weird people, like I'd find under rocks, like, like crazy, wacky people, not.

• 18:18Anthony Pompliano?

  He's at the pitch. It's like, yo, you're a freakazoid coming on my podcast.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  But I mean, yeah, no, I never imagined it would go.

• 18:27Anthony Pompliano?

  When you think of all of the people that you've interviewed, how many episodes have you done now?

• 18:30Speaker 02

  A hundred and I've done like, I'm on like 155, I think.

• 18:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay. Who is the one that stands out in your mind as like the absolute craziest person you've talked to? Is it the deckhands?

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, they weren't podcasts. So they were, they were documentary. Those are 100% the craziest people I ever talked to.

• 18:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. All right. What about on the podcast form?

• 18:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. I've been asked this question. I feel like so many times. I really don't know.

• 18:58Anthony Pompliano?

  You don't have one that stands out?

• 19:00Speaker 02

  No, I mean, one of my favorite episodes was with, he wasn't, I mean, he wasn't, he was just an author. He was Tom O'Neill, the guy who wrote the Charles Manson book. He had some crazy stories. His story was fascinating.

• 19:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Charles Manson is one of those people that I think a lot of folks around our age have heard of, but they actually don't know the story. There's a book called cults, like C U L T S. Long story as to how this ended up in my possession, but I was reading it and the first 50 pages is the Charles Manson story.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 19:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Fucking wacky, man. Wacky shit. Like, not, I'm not gonna go kill people, but like, I'm gonna order people to go kill people. And they're in my cult and so they listen and like, it's just fucking crazy. And I think there's a whole generation of people who were like, right after the generation that would, that was like their thing that they lived through, that we don't, could you imagine, like, if we were, I don't know, in our early twenties and there was like a serial killer doing stuff like that?

• 19:59Speaker 02

  No, it's weird too. Like his story, I don't know if you're familiar with Tom's book, Chaos, but basically he ended up doing like a 20, 20 year study, deep dive on Charles Manson. He wasn't even interested in it, but he was working for like, he was a reporter for a magazine and his, he got the assignment to basically just write an article about like the 10 year anniversary of the Tate La Bianca murders. And he eventually got, he got a little bit, you know, entrenched in the story and he kept getting deeper and deeper and deeper. And basically Charles Manson was like a two bit criminal, stealing cars and robbing grocery stores and stuff like that.

• 20:39Anthony Pompliano?

  At like a young age.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Like at 12 was stealing cars and driving like across the country.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Right, right. Driving across state lines, which made it a federal crime, but he had a really fucked up childhood too. Like a really fucked up childhood.

• 20:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Getting moved between like orphanages and foster care.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:56Anthony Pompliano?

  And then he was like basically a professional criminal because he just kept learning from other people.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Like all the different crimes he committed.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  And then like Tom eventually talked to a bunch of his probation officers and he found out that he kept getting let out of prison. They kept getting let out and let out and let out and he kept talking to these people and there's like, there, it makes no sense how he kept getting out of jail. For after he had been in so many times for so many different crimes. And then.

• 21:21Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, like at some point, society has to say like, can we really keep the 15 year old? Right?

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, maybe we should, maybe we should. I don't know what the answer is, but like, I gotta imagine that the age, if you're like a, a young teenager, someone somewhere, it's like, ah, I feel bad for the 14 year old who got arrested and, you know, we gotta let him out.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  You think maybe they just thought he was unmanageable, so they let him out?

• 21:44Anthony Pompliano?

  No, it's like, uh, imagine today, like, you can just Twitter, something goes viral and it's like 12 year old locked up for stealing a car.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:53Anthony Pompliano?

  And the mob would show up and be like, let him out.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 21:58Anthony Pompliano?

  And, and they'd be like, you know, you can't treat 12 year olds like this. That's inhumane. Like all this stuff. Now, they didn't have social media and stuff back then, but like, it's the same sentiment of if you just look at the one event, then like, uh, like, ah, it's 12 year old, everyone does dumb stuff as 12 years old. Like, yeah, sure. I didn't steal cars and like drive across state lines and stuff, but like every 12 year old did something dumb. But then when you look at the totality of it, right? And you're like, hey, by the way, he was doing this since like six and had done it like 20 times by the time he was 15. That's obviously a different story, but like,

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:30Anthony Pompliano?

  do judges and stuff like that really back then have all that information? I don't know.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's weird too, but he was a lot older. Like he was doing it from a super young age, like into his mid twenties,

• 22:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  thirties, right?

• 22:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Yes.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  And then like the connection with,

• 22:46Anthony Pompliano?

  But he kept getting let out in his teens, which almost like reinforced, oh, you just do it. You go to jail and then come back out.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Right, right, right. And then the connection with, between that and the, um, the clinic in San Francisco, that free clinic that he, that he was basically bringing everybody to, and they were giving them LSD. Like that gets crazy with MKUltra being connected to it and mind control and the whole thing with the sixties, the rev, you know, the hippies protesting against the Vietnam War. Fascinating book, man.

• 23:20Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, the part to me, uh, that also becomes like kind of wild is, um, I guess at one point, there was some murders that people in the cult carried out. And then there was another one, but they wrote, if I understand it correctly, the same thing on the wall. In like blood. And they were trying to write something that would like make it look like it was another group committing the murders. But they wrote the same thing on the wall and, and the cops like didn't put two and two together at first.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:50Anthony Pompliano?

  And so like, I always just go back to like, how advanced so many aspects of society are now that we have the internet. Right? Like if you're a cop and there's somewhere buried in like a paper police report. Some detail, like something was written on the wall. How do you know if you, a different cop that shows up to a different crime scene?

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:10Anthony Pompliano?

  In the, you know, 60, 70s, 80s, whatever, like.

• 24:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Now we're like, oh, you idiots. Like, how did you not know that?

• 24:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:17Anthony Pompliano?

  But you're like, yeah, dude, like it was on paper. We're just talking about like, read a book.

• 24:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Like what cop was sitting there going to go through the police report?

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. The incompetence is crazy, right? Like now you would, now if that was, if a story was like, that was published online, there would be somebody in Twitter, just like noticing it and posting it and it would get retweets and people would see it. But back then, before the internet, before the days of the internet, it had to be so, so much more difficult to kind of link shit like that. I bet so much, so many things like that slipped through the cracks.

• 24:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And, and the reverse happens, right? Like, how many times do we hear stories now? Some, you know, a person was locked up for 20 years. And then it's like, oh, now we have DNA testing, like innocent.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. How crazy is that?

• 25:01Anthony Pompliano?

  It's like, hey guys, uh, DNA testing's been around for a while. Like, how did we not figure that out, you know, five, 10 years ago?

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, that's insane. I just had a guy on my show recently too, who did like 16 years in prison and they found out he was exonerated because of DNA. They actually found the guy who committed the rape and murder. 16 years later. And they brought that guy to jail and then they found out that his DNA was the correct DNA.

• 25:26Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, so they arrested somebody for something else. Had the DNA taken and then cross-referenced it and realized, wait a minute, this guy actually committed this crime, not the person who's sitting in jail for it.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 25:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Jesus Christ.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  And I think the guy only got like, I can't remember exactly. I want to say it was like four million bucks. He did 16 years in prison and got like four or five million bucks, most of it, which had to go to his attorneys.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  But could you imagine 16 years in prison for something you didn't do? And I think like even they even found a ton of evidence at the site of the murder that didn't even come close to matching this guy. Like it clearly depicted somebody of a different ethnicity than him.

• 26:09Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, wow.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  And they still just wanted to get their get it wash their hands of it and get their prosecution.

• 26:16Anthony Pompliano?

  The two things it makes me think of is was Making a Murderer, the Netflix.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

• 26:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Episodic series. I always just think when they have like the 16, 17 year old boy in the room with the cops and the cops like basically saying all this stuff and they're getting him to confess. And then once he gets done, he's like, uh, um, am I going to go back to school now? And they're like, nah, dude, like, no. And then he's like on the phone or something with, I think, his mom or a relative. And he's like, asking, is he going to get let out for WrestleMania? So you can like watch on TV and like he like, he has no, like, you're just like listening to him talking, you're like, this kid does not understand that he just admitted to a murder, which maybe he did or did not commit.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, he has no clue, right?

• 27:00Anthony Pompliano?

  None. What do you think about like the rise of this was Making a Murderer? We talked about like the drug cartel documentaries and that type of stuff. But also Serial, the podcast, um, that, uh, I forget the guy's name. Who is the supposed suspect who I think had been arrested during all of that? I just saw now even the prosecutors are saying, hey, we got some more information. We should let this guy out because there was like a, um, maybe we don't have as much confidence in him being the person as we once did. It's like, how do you think about the rise of all this like crime content?

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Dude, the crime content's crazy.

• 27:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Some of the most popular content in the world.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  I had, I tell my buddy, one of my buddies who comes on the show every once in a while, who has a lot of friends in prison. I told him that they need to get some microphones in there and start their own like in prison podcast because they would make so much fucking money.

• 27:55Anthony Pompliano?

  It would explode. Can you imagine? Like they're in like, uh, it can't be maximum security prison, right? You couldn't get microphones in, but like.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  Maybe I don't know anything about being in prison, but yeah. I mean, if you're in one of those camps, they have cell phones. Why wouldn't they be able to get mics, you know, at least some like small mics?

• 28:08Anthony Pompliano?

  That's what I'm saying. So like they'd have to be somewhere where they have some sort of communication.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like even, I mean, I think of how much money that the, the prison owners would make. Like if you, if you owned a prison, if I owned a prison, I would set up my own podcast studio. I'd have multiple. I'd get them in there just churning out podcasts every day, bro. Are you kidding me?

• 28:26Anthony Pompliano?

  They, there is other work that is done, right? But like in, in some way also, um, did you see, uh, uh, who was it? I think actually two guys did it. I don't think Shrek Rally, Martin Shrek Rally, uh, the Pharma Bro. I don't think he did a podcast, but, um, uh, the guy from Fire Festival, Billy McFarlane.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:47Anthony Pompliano?

  I think at some point they like snuck a microphone in, or maybe he was on the phone. Like he was doing like the call and they were recording it and he was, um, oh, actually, yeah. I actually know the guy who did it. Now that I think about it, um, they called it Dumpster Fire. And he was calling and they were recording it and they were turning it into a podcast. And then he got put in, um, uh, he got put in the hole.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 29:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh, for like participating in a podcast without permission.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  No way.

• 29:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, right? Like, I guess that's kind of the whole thing is like, it's all about control. And if you're like going to the phones and participating in, uh, in podcasts.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Everybody's fascinated with people in prison. Like people are just always, there's like always reporters in there trying to get calls or trying to get inner one-on-one interviews with prisoners and learn their stories. Cause like, those are some of the, I mean, honestly, those people are probably some of the most interesting people in the world.

• 29:38Anthony Pompliano?

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• 31:03Anthony Pompliano?

  They do that live now. You know that?

• 31:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 31:05Anthony Pompliano?

  They have live cops where like there's, I don't know how live it is, but I'm sure there's some sort of time delay. So they don't just like cut to a cop.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  They probably just put a live logo on there.

• 31:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Shooting someone or something, right? But they, the way they presented is like, there's a command center and there's like two guys or whatever. And they're like, oh, let's go out to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

• 31:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Officer, whoever, like it's like, like it's like a red zone, right? But like rather than drop into like the Dolphins game, like let's drop into Tulsa, Oklahoma, we're riding shotgun with officer, whatever. Just fucking crazy. And they like record these interactions.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Is there any proof that it's actually live? Are they allowed to just say it's live?

• 31:46Anthony Pompliano?

  It's on TV. So like, I can't imagine it's 100% real time live. Like maybe there's a time delay.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  They're getting desperate.

• 31:53Anthony Pompliano?

  Something's going on.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  TV executives are getting desperate. They're saying, let's call it cops live and I'll put a fucking flashing red light under it and just call it live. I guarantee you.

• 32:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And like, is there, uh, could you get in trouble if you're the executive for saying it's live? Probably not.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  No, hell no.

• 32:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Like people are just like, whatever. Does the content good?

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, they could sell it. As long as they can sell it and make more money, they, they'll get away with it.

• 32:14Anthony Pompliano?

  So, uh, you like, watch it and like, it's just a whole different view of the world. Because you see, you know, they go into people's houses and you're just like, oh my God, this house is just full of trash or like these people are hoarders or, uh, uh, these people, there's a domestic dispute and you're just like, dude, that is a chaotic life that like is unfortunate that anyone has to live through.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:39Anthony Pompliano?

  And it's just this lens and you forget like, that's on like, you know, uh, cable networks. Like that's not on, you know, uh, HBO or anything like that. Like if you just have cable, watch it's on Fox. Or whatever.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Dude, on the way here on 95, right before I turned to go to downtown, there was literally a car. I think it was like a Honda Civic pulled on the side of the interstate, side of the highway. Dude was like aggressively beating the shit out of somebody in the backseat of his car, like full on haymakers.

• 33:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Wait, wait, wait.

• 33:15Anthony Pompliano?

  The car's pulled over.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Welcome to Miami.

• 33:17Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, the car's pulled over on the side of the road?

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Pulled off from the side of the road, literally right, like right before, or I think right after an exit.

• 33:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  On 95, 95 South, and this dude was fucking, had both doors open and he was aggressively fucking wailing on somebody.

• 33:33Anthony Pompliano?

  He was in the front seat through the back or he was out of the car?

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Standing on the ground, outside on the road and he was punching into the car, beating the shit out of somebody.

• 33:43Anthony Pompliano?

  And no one was stopping?

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Nobody was stopping.

• 33:45Anthony Pompliano?

  I mean, are you surprised that no one was stopping?

• 33:49Speaker 02

  No, I'm not surprised.

• 33:49Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm not surprised at all, right?

• 33:50Speaker 02

  That's not, that's not something you typically see in Tampa. When you see that, you know you're in Miami.

• 33:56Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that how people who live in the Tampa area think of Miami is like Miami's where the crazy shit happens?

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Maybe, I live, I don't really live in Tampa. I live on the beach. I live on Indian Rocks Beach. So yeah, when you think of Miami, you think of like another country really. I mean, it's not really the United States.

• 34:10Anthony Pompliano?

  The rest of the country now also thinks of Miami as another country?

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Probably, right?

• 34:14Anthony Pompliano?

  People who still live in California or New York.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  The traffic here is way worse than California.

• 34:20Anthony Pompliano?

  You think?

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:22Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't know if I'd agree with that. Like LA, probably not. LA's the only place in the world where there's like eight lanes and it's still bumper to bumper traffic.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? So like maybe outside of LA and other parts of California, yeah, Miami traffic could be bad. But also like rush hour in New York is pretty bad as well.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Maybe not New York. Yeah, you're right. I'm not, you're right.

• 34:40Anthony Pompliano?

  So like in the downtown areas, right? Or like on the LA highway? Maybe those areas are worse, but yes, traffic, especially on like the lower end of 95 can get pretty bad.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. When I got off of 95, it said I was literally going to be here in like 10 minutes and I was not here for like another 30, 40 minutes.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  This place is fucking crazy, man.

• 35:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Well, I love Miami, by the way.

• 35:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Also, when it rains here, it just floods.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, recently, there was a rain and I was at a restaurant on South Beach with three other guys. And we were sitting, it was like a window to the right in the sidewalks on the other side of the window. And I'm sitting with my back to the window. And also one of the guys like, dude, it's really pouring outside. So I turned and I look and definitely raining a lot, but nothing out of the ordinary yet. And 20 minutes later, he's like, dude, now look. And I turned and I look and the water was starting to like rise on the road. And I was like, oh, that's kind of crazy, but like, whatever. We still got like another hour at dinner, like maybe it'll get better. Dumb idea. So then like half an hour later, he's like, dude, it's over the curb.

• 35:48Anthony Pompliano?

  And I look and I swear, the water was literally over the curb, like kind of like peeking over. And so this specific restaurant, there's nowhere to park. So it's all valet for the most part. And when people were leaving the restaurant, they were pulling the cars up onto the sidewalk. So we would get in the car without having to go in their ankle deep water.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  You don't get their Gucci shoes wet?

• 36:09Anthony Pompliano?

  And I was just like, dude, these guys are pros. Like, like there was no, what do we do? It was just like, oh, we probably deal with this like once a week. So I just drive the cars up on the sidewalk.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  What happens to the parking garages that are underground that go down? Like, do they get completely flooded? Like, are those underwater or what happens to those parking garages?

• 36:26Anthony Pompliano?

  No, I'm sure that they've got some sort of drainage and you would hope. Now, again, I'm sure there's somewhere where that's not true. Over a couple of blocks over in Brickell, there's one area, there's a Publix. And it's like notorious when it rains really bad, it floods. So if you remember a couple of months ago, there was all these videos of people like leaving the club at like two o'clock in the morning. And they were like falling in the water. There was cars that were like hitting huge holes. Cause at the time they're doing construction right there. So there's like a hole in the ground, but it was like, they had the cones and everything. So during the day, no one, I mean, you'd have to be an idiot to somehow end up in the construction hole. But when the water had risen up, no one knew it was there.

• 37:09Anthony Pompliano?

  So there was a car with like its front left tire had like gone in. And so is that like a vertical thing? And I was just thinking to myself, I'm like, dude, I'm so glad that I'm not going to like clubs and walking out in

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 37:20Anthony Pompliano?

  Knee high water.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  What brought you to Miami? Like, how did you end up here?

• 37:24Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm still trying to figure that out.

• 37:27Anthony Pompliano?

  No, I was in New York. I think we just wanted to leave New York.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Like, you're so you're born, raised in New York?

• 37:34Anthony Pompliano?

  I was actually born in Hollywood, Florida.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 37:36Anthony Pompliano?

  And then grew up in North Carolina, went and lived in California for a little bit and then was in New York. And I mean, New York, I love, will always love, but like, it just started to decline to some degree. Right? It's very similar to California.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:51Anthony Pompliano?

  And I think that's where you saw like the net move out of those two states, right? Into places like Texas or Florida.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Is that when you moved here?

• 37:59Anthony Pompliano?

  I moved, uh, we decided in November of 2020, we moved the first week of January of 2021. And so, uh, there were people here from like the business tech kind of investing world, but there wasn't a lot yet. And then like March, April, May of 2021, it was like every single person I knew was like, I'm thinking about moving to Miami. And I was like, oh shit, like this was a great decision.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:25Anthony Pompliano?

  And, uh, I think the biggest difference, frankly, like in hindsight, is people are just happier in Florida. Like, I don't know if it's the sun, I don't know if it's like you go outside more. If it's not like you feel cramped because of the building, for whatever reason, like people seem much happier.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  It's similar to New York right here, though. Like this downtown Miami, that Brickell area is not really Florida.

• 38:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, that's why, uh, I think a lot of folks from New York, when they come, uh, they basically moved like two areas, kind of a midtown-ish area. And then, uh, Brickell at first because it's the most like Manhattan or, or New York. And then from there, they kind of spread out to wherever they're going to go after a little while. But it's like, you don't want to like rip the Band-Aid off. Imagine going from like, I don't know, uh, you know, Lower East Side to like Montana.

• 39:15Anthony Pompliano?

  You'd be like, all right, this is a little weird. So I don't know.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, I feel like Tampa and, and where I'm from, like the beaches are, are, are so much more rural and open. And even though they're not, they're still kind of like little cities, but there's nothing like Miami. Like, like where I live, you can just, you can drive down the beach. There, it's wide open. There's not really many high rises, except for like on the edge of the beach, like all the big condos and stuff.

• 39:39Anthony Pompliano?

  In Tampa, uh, there's a, um, uh, Netflix show now on, uh, like Selling Sunset, but it's, uh, Selling Tampa. Have you seen this?

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 39:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  I had no idea.

• 39:49Anthony Pompliano?

  And it's all about like some brokerage that's like blowing up or whatever. Um, and, uh, They're positioning it as like Tampa's, you know, on the come up. Is that true?

• 40:00Speaker 02

  I think so. Tom Brady's there.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  The Lightning are apparently, I don't know anything about hockey, but I know like the Lightning are all the rage right now.

• 40:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Do people in Tampa?

• 40:11Speaker 02

  We got the best strip clubs.

• 40:13Anthony Pompliano?

  According to who?

• 40:14Speaker 02

  According to the world. Tampa is the strip club capital of the world.

• 40:18Anthony Pompliano?

  That's not true.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Is it really?

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're way better than the ones in Miami.

• 40:21Anthony Pompliano?

  No, but like, is there like a strip club ranking?

• 40:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is. If you even Google, Google it, like if you just search for like, I'm sure he can do it, but if you search for like America's top strip clubs, the top like two or three are in Tampa. I've had the guy who owns the most famous strip club in the world on my show too.

• 40:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:39Anthony Pompliano?

  What did he say?

• 40:40Speaker 02

  He was just.

• 40:41Anthony Pompliano?

  What makes it so famous?

• 40:42Speaker 02

  He, so he, it's the, he was the first strip club in, I believe, the, maybe in the US. I could be wrong, might be just in Florida. But he was the first full nude strip club. Legally full nude and he had to fight the city and the government forever.

• 41:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  And now he's doing this whole new thing where he can, he's like, now he's fighting, he's suing the government to like grow his own marijuana because he has cancer. And he's using it for medicinal purposes, but he's a fucking, he's a badass. Like he would be out in the street, like fighting with cops and like protesting with the protesters. Cause I guess it was, um, I think it, it was like a free speech debate, right? For, to be able to have the strippers there. And then Tampa tried to create, the, the mayor of Tampa tried to institute a law where if you got a lap dance, the stripper had to be like five feet away from you. It had to be a five foot distance to get a lap dance.

• 41:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Two weeks to flatten the curve?

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he fought it to the death and, uh, and yeah, so.

• 41:41Anthony Pompliano?

  What's fascinating to me is like a lot of these, uh, folks are real estate investors. That's how they actually get started. Uh, there's some guys here in Miami who, uh, they own, uh, like 11, which is like a club, but you know, got some other things going on. Um, and. And they back into it. So like buying properties and then like some of them are zoned for strip clubs or clubs or, you know, liquor licenses, whatever. But I never realized how much they fight with the city council and the local government and like all that stuff is like a whole new world.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  You mean, once you own like commercial real estate?

• 42:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, just like, think of these real estate developers, like Tampa obviously has strip clubs, now that I know that, but also bars or whatever, like a lot of that business is dealing with local regulations and understanding, okay, they're gonna put this through street and they won't put a red light outside. And so like, does that increase, you know, think if you're a bar, like a super extreme example would be like, hey, you're trying to petition to get a red light put outside. So people will stop because your drunk patrons leaving at night and you want them to be able to cross the street safely. So you don't take on more legal liability for owning a place that's selling alcohol and somebody goes, oh, something gets hit by a car. But like, you don't get to put the red light up. Right? Like, there's like, you gotta go through a process. And then

• 42:58Anthony Pompliano?

  there's like, the other side of it, which is like, the city's telling you like, you can't do something. Or in this case, like, hey, you can't have a strip club or whatever.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:06Anthony Pompliano?

  It's just like this battle.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy. Like, if you want, it's interesting to think like, once you, even just like, if you're thinking small, like, people that don't want to be like, big shots or be like, dealing with government or about to say, I want to own some real estate, I want to make some money. But you unknowingly get into political shit. Once you own bigger, more and more real estate, because now you have to deal with the government. Now you have to deal with these regulations and fight them and try to schmooze people and take people out to dinner and.

• 43:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Of course. One of the things, a real estate, a very large real estate investor, time one time, he goes, half the job is knowing who's responsible for what in the local government and being able to get them to do it.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:43Anthony Pompliano?

  And when he said that, I was like, holy shit. Like, I thought it was just, you know, you run some numbers and like, buy a building. But he was like, no, he's like, that's actually the important stuff. Because then you get into like, from an investment perspective, there's opportunity zones. So like, I don't know if you know about these, but you can basically invest in certain predetermined areas. And if you hold the real estate for 10 years, it's tax free, all the gains.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 44:05Anthony Pompliano?

  You know who created this law?

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Who?

• 44:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Sean Parker. Sean Parker is the guy, you ever seen the social network, the Facebook video movie?

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:14Anthony Pompliano?

  The guy who helped Zuckerberg, who's played by Justin Timberlake, that's Sean Parker, who also started Napster.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Oh, no shit.

• 44:21Anthony Pompliano?

  He like teamed up with this other guy and I think it was during, I can't remember if it was right at the end of Obama's term or right when Trump got office, but it was like right around that 2014 to like 2016 period. And they basically convinced the federal government to create the opportunities zones. And the whole idea is like, hey, there's parts of every city that is under invested. And like, if we incentivize investors through tax breaks to invest in those areas will like improve them. It's like theoretically makes sense.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it makes sense.

• 44:52Anthony Pompliano?

  But the incentive is like, if you buy property and hold it for 10 years, you don't pay any taxes on the gains.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Well, that's what every real estate investor does, right? They're just trying to fight the loopholes. That's what keeps it going.

• 45:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  They're just trying to like the 1031 exchange, you know, buy and sell it and reinvest the profits and move on to something bigger. I mean, that's what keeps the whole fucking gravy train moving, really. It's just people trying to find the holes and to beat the next guy.

• 45:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I, um, I saw an investor on Twitter recently giving a, a crash course to somebody who's asking him questions. And this guy's very sophisticated. He was explaining a cash out refi and how like the difference between what you bought the property for, what you get the refi at, like that money is tax free. And like, you could just see this person was like, what do you mean? You get hundreds of thousands of dollars and you don't pay taxes on it. He's like, no, it's like part of the loan.

• 45:40Anthony Pompliano?

  And I was like, watching this in real time. And then I went back and then like later he was like sharing threads to like a whole real estate account that was talking about segregation studies and all this. And I was like, it's a whole different world.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy. There's so many ways to make money. There's so many, so many different crazy weird ways to make money, but like real estate is the one thing that's like, it doesn't take a lot to understand it. It's just like hard work. If you have, you put in the hard work and you, and you meet the right people, you can make pretty much anything you want to happen in real estate.

• 46:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  You don't have to have like some sort of special knowledge. You could be nobody, you could have no nothing and you could.

• 46:17Anthony Pompliano?

  I think it's more than 50% of millionaires in the United States made it through real estate.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Really?

• 46:21Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming, and again, big assumption, I'm assuming a portion of that is literally just including their primary residence. So if you bought a house. 20 years ago for a hundred grand and now it's worth $300,000 like that's 30% of the way to being a millionaire, right? So like there's some of that going on. Um, but yeah, real estate by far is an asset class that probably helps mint more millionaires than anybody else.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  What do you think about people like that guy Grant Cardone who like tried to sell all these real estate courses and they'd like project their wealth or something? Cause that guy's always around my town. Like he's always in.

• 46:54Anthony Pompliano?

  He bought a lot of stuff in Tampa, I think.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Oh, did he really?

• 46:56Anthony Pompliano?

  I think he bought, ah, I might get this wrong. I'm pretty sure that he bought like a pretty big, uh, like, um, 500 unit apartment complex or something.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  Oh, really? But he does this weird thing where he like sells his YouTube subscribers. He gets his YouTube followers to invest in his properties.

• 47:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. So I have a lot of thoughts about this. Um, I think this is where the world is going, but I think it's also like very uncharted waters, right? So like, if you think about, uh, go to the other extreme, like if you're, uh, I don't know, BlackRock or Blackstone, let's use Blackstone as an example. You're a huge, you know, billions and billions and billions of dollars of assets. When you want to raise a fund, what do you do? You like take the idea, you put in some documents, you put together a pitch deck and then you go to all these institutions. And you show up to hospitals, uh, university endowments, uh, foundations, pension funds, like all these huge pools of capital. So like, when people think of like a pension fund, you think of like, oh, I work for like a city or something.

• 47:59Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm putting my money into the pension and then they're going to like invest it. And then when I retire, they're going to pay me out whatever the money is. Like where do they invest it? Like, sure, some of it's in the stock market, but usually the pension fund is not the one like, hmm, should buy Apple or Walmart today, right? They're giving it to investors. They're giving it to managers. And so they'll turn around and they'll say like, hey, we have $2 billion in our pension fund for name your city in America. They'll be like, hey, Blackstone, we'll give you $25 million for your real estate fund or for your hedge fund or whatever. So they're like raising money through these institutions. But really, in many of those cases, the institution is actually managing money for like the individual.

• 48:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Right. The pension fund is actually, that's not the pension fund's money. It's the pensioner's money that they're supposed to be growing until people retire.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Just like in every other part of society where like middlemen are getting cut out. I think what you're starting to see is people realize, well, why don't we just cut out those middlemen, those institutions and go direct to people.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Now, the positives are there's a lot of folks who want access to institutional real estate or, you know, stocks or venture capital or whatever. The downside is like, there's a hell of a lot of risk. Right. So you get kind of pros and cons with it. And it's less about like, what do I think? Is it like, is it good or bad? It's just like, it's gonna happen and it's gonna accelerate. And so we have accreditation laws, right? Where you have to be an accredited investor, you have to have a certain net worth or make a certain amount of money every year. The positive is like, that's supposed to protect you. The downside is like, I know a lot of dumb, rich people, right? Who like, you know, doctors, I've talked to a lot of doctors and they're like, dude,

• 49:44Anthony Pompliano?

  my colleagues, they don't know anything about investing, but they make four or $500,000 a year.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:50Anthony Pompliano?

  So a lot of cash. So like, you know, they all think that they're gonna find the next Facebook. So they like angel invest. And it's like,

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, they all think that.

• 49:57Anthony Pompliano?

  The 18 year old kid that lives in their neighborhood. And you're like, dude, the odds that you happen to live next to the next Mark Zuckerberg is like, negative percent, right? But like, that's been celebratized. And so in some way, it's just like, that's what's going on. It's like, they're like, okay, let me pick the manager.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Hmm. I don't know. That's interesting.

• 50:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Why? What do you think?

• 50:16Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know anything about it. I just know the guy is always flying in and out of Clearwater, going to the Scientology Center. And he's walking up and down like downtown Clearwater, like talking to his phone. And I've seen him literally like talking to his phone, walking like up and down right in front of the Scientology Center before.

• 50:29Anthony Pompliano?

  What is the? Scientology Center, do you know?

• 50:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the, it's like the hub, it's like the hub of Scientology. I've never been inside.

• 50:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Are you, are non-

• 50:37Speaker 02

  I grew up like five minutes away from it.

• 50:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Are non-scientologists, I think is the right term, allowed to go inside?

• 50:42Speaker 02

  No, I don't think so.

• 50:43Anthony Pompliano?

  So you gotta be like-

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Not unless you like wanna like actually sign up and learn about it. Like you could fake wanting to, you could like get in there if you faked not knowing anything about it and like, who, I wanna get into this. But normal people aren't allowed in.

• 50:55Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm shocked that you live five minutes and you haven't done that video yet.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  No, no, fuck, I'm too afraid of.

• 51:01Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't, I don't know anything about it, but it seems like, uh, uh, yeah, there's like, cause Tom Cruise, I think is one as well.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  Tom Cruise, yeah, Tom Cruise, um, I think he has an apartment right across the street from there in Clearwater. John Travolta, a bunch of people.

• 51:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, John Travolta's in too?

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:17Anthony Pompliano?

  He's in the, uh, in the crew, the club?

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a Scientologist, man. The thing is they-

• 51:22Anthony Pompliano?

  But it's a religion.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  It's not, it's technically a legal religion. Yeah, they, um-

• 51:28Anthony Pompliano?

  You, why, why technically?

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's, I mean, I guess it's legitimately a religion. It's not just technically religion, but they reason, the reason it became a religion was because they wanted to be tax free. So they had, they, they did this crazy thing where they had like all of their members, like tens and tens of thousands of people, file their own individual lawsuits against the IRS and basically bullied the IRS into giving them of the religion exemption.

• 51:52Anthony Pompliano?

  That's real?

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's real.

• 51:53Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  There's a crazy documentary on HBO called Scientology, The Prison of Belief.

• 52:00Anthony Pompliano?

  And he talks about this specifically.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, it goes into all of it, like the, the top guys who were into Scientology, right next to like the, like the vice president of Scientology, literally like defected, went away from it. And he basically explained everything that happened.

• 52:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Wow.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  It's wild. And the head of Scientology, the guy who created it, L. Ron Hubbard, he, um, he died, I think in like the eighties, but he was also the most prolific nonfiction writer of all time. He's wrote more nonfiction than anybody in history. And he, so basically the premise of Scientology is there's this galactic overlord named Xenu, who, um, spawned some, some race out of a volcano. And, um, there's these spirit entities that exist called, uh, Thetans that are like these non-

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Physical entities that you can't see that can get come in or get out of you depending on how clear you are in Scientology. So the more you learn, the crazier, the more deep you get into Scientology, like there's levels, just like a pyramid scheme. And once you get to like the top level, they start teaching you about this crazy intergalactic sci-fi things, like sci-fi shit that wouldn't scare any normal person away if they saw that at space value.

• 53:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Why do you think all these guys are in or so many like John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Grant Cardone?

• 53:21Speaker 02

  Well, they got in it. I think, I think the most of the people got in it because I think there's a lot of value in the like the book, Dianetics, like it's basically like being the best version of yourself, optimizing yourself, getting rid of all the negative influences in your life. There's a lot of like positive psychological elements to the premise of Scientology, to Dianetics, to basically help people become the best version of themselves they can possibly become. But once you get past that, like you get into that, you start to like pay some money for the fees. Some of these people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep rising the ranks. They get stuck and they feel like they're part of something bigger than themselves, you know? And once you get to a certain level,

• 54:03Speaker 02

  they start saying, okay, now you're aware enough to read the next chapter. And then they start to bring in the crazy, crazy, more crazy and crazy shit. And another weird part of it is there's this thing called auditing that you have to do when you're in Scientology. So you have to go and do this thing called auditing where you go in basically to a room and you hold these two metal rods and this person asks you questions about your personal life. And you basically spill your guts about everything in your life, all the most fucked up things you've done, your worst thoughts you've ever had. And they keep detailed records of all this shit. And I think that's probably what happened with Tom Cruise and with John Travolta is they probably, you know, told them their deepest darkest secrets and they don't want those to be.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  To be made public.

• 54:51Anthony Pompliano?

  I feel like if it came out, like, and they can say anything about Tom Cruise, people will be like, yep, okay.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so too. I don't know what it is. I think they basically, like, most people in Scientology get, they get kept on some sort of a leash to where they're not allowed to interact with people of the outside world, or any, anyone with like dissenting views or ideologies. Like, if there's anybody, there's rules, like, if you talk to somebody who's not cool with Scientology, it's like a, it's like a, it's a community of snitches, so they all spy on each other. And they all tell on each other. So if you see somebody doing something that's not, like, by the rulebook of Scientology, they go and snitch on them, and then you get in trouble, and you go. I had, actually, I had the, um, the dad of the, the head of Scientology, David Miscavige, on my podcast.

• 55:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, really?

• 55:38Speaker 02

  I had his dad on there.

• 55:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Is his dad in?

• 55:41Speaker 02

  No, his dad wasn't. But he was like, he was like imprisoning his dad. And his dad escaped, like, literally, he was like a prison break type thing.

• 55:49Anthony Pompliano?

  What?

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, bro, it is, it is absolutely bananas. His dad was basically explaining his childhood. Um, you know, his son was really young, really, he was super motivated, super intelligent. And, um, he went to go work for L. Ron Hubbard, who was the guy who founded Scientology in Hollywood, like, working on film sets and stuff like that. And, um, eventually just became L. Ron Hubbard's right-hand man, like, his assistant. And then, um, eventually L. Ron Hubbard died, and David Miscavige just took over, you know? He just had it in him to just, he was this.

• 56:24Anthony Pompliano?

  He's a leader.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  This leader, yeah. He had this strong personality, and he made everyone follow him. And, um, I don't think he's been in the public light for years now, because of all the stuff that's come out recently. I mean, there's, there's tons of documentaries and TV shows of people that have left Scientology talking about how fucked up it is inside and.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  You know, there's people being held like slaves being held in the building in Clearwater that people that were there stuck there for years that they weren't allowed to do anything. They were literally kept in rooms and they had to work for free and they weren't allowed to leave. It's scary shit.

• 56:59Anthony Pompliano?

  I saw a documentary on, um, what's the church? Uh, they go and they like protest, uh, all sorts of like, uh, maybe it's like abortion clinics. They go and they protest. Like when soldiers die, I think, uh, Westboro? Is that a?

• 57:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that thing right? Like they go and they protest and yeah, and there was a woman who, uh, had defected, I guess. And, uh, and she was talking about it and it was, she was like, I believed every single, like all these things. And they were like showing her videos of herself and she was like holding signs and I forget what they were saying, but the signs were just like, when you look at the sign as a person with my background or your background, right? And, and not having grown up in that environment, you're like, that's like crazy stuff.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, it's crazy.

• 57:43Anthony Pompliano?

  She was saying, she's like, no, you don't understand. Like I, I believed that in that video. That's not me.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy when you get sucked into shit like that. Like that just becomes everything to you. It's but you, and you believe something, it feels right. Like you think you're doing the right thing.

• 57:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  You don't have an outside perspective.

• 58:00Anthony Pompliano?

  I always think of, uh, whenever I see stories in the news, um, intention.

• 58:06Anthony Pompliano?

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• 58:49Anthony Pompliano?

  mining your own Bitcoin is go to compassmining.io today. Again, if you want to get into Bitcoin mining, go check out compassmining.io today. People can do good things by accident. Like they weren't trying to do good, right? They actually could be like nefarious actors who like fucked up and somehow did something good. Uh, or somebody could be. Good intention, trying to do the right thing and they do something wrong. And if you just like read an article, you're never gonna know. But like, there are certain stories that blow up where if you think of, take Fire Festival as an example. Like, an entire generation of people know it as like this huge screw up, right? A kid gets in trouble, like all this type of stuff.

• 59:32Anthony Pompliano?

  But it's like, when I look at that, I'm like, hmm. Based on the information that we have, was that person trying to do the right thing or not? And we'll never know the answer, right? But like, if you knew definitively, like, that was someone trying to do something nefarious, you'd think of it very differently than if you knew definitively like that person was trying to be a good person and like do the right thing and like they just fucked it up, right? And what becomes interesting about this is you then look at these situations. I don't know if you saw a couple of weeks ago, there was a guy in Indiana who ran into a burning building, a burning house. He was a food delivery guy. You see this?

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  I didn't see this.

• 1:00:08Anthony Pompliano?

  He's driving down the street and all of a sudden he sees smoke coming out of a house. He's like, that was weird. He stops, he backs up and he looks, he's like, oh shit, that house is on fire. So he like runs towards the house and somehow gets the back door. I don't know if he couldn't get in the front door or what, but he gets to the back door. And I think he like busted into the house. And he's like, holy shit, there's like flames and there's smoke everywhere and like all this stuff. And so he starts yelling, yelling, yelling, whatever. And he starts going up some stairs. And as he's going up the stairs, all of a sudden, there was three or four kids like under the age of like 12. All of a sudden come busting out of a room. And he like grabs them and he like takes them to the back door and gets them out. And he says to them, he's like, is there anybody else in the house?

• 1:00:51Anthony Pompliano?

  And they're like, our little sister, I think. And he's like, where? And they're like, she's inside, she's inside, she's six. So this fucking savage goes back into the burning house and he like, he's, I think what happens is he goes upstairs and he finds her and he comes back down. But he's lost now, he doesn't know where the back door is. So he's stuck in the house. So at some point, he like looks up and he sees the stairs and there's like light. So he goes back up the stairs and he goes to a window and he punches out the window. When he punches out the window, obviously he cuts up his whole arm and everything. And he jumps off the second story with this little girl and.

• 1:01:29Anthony Pompliano?

  The reason why the story got so much attention was the police are showing up at this point. They all have the body cams on and so they're like showing up and of course they're like, there's somebody inside and like the firefighters are like not moving as fast as you would think they would be doing if someone was inside, uh, but there's like chaos or whatever. And all of a sudden here comes this guy running around the side of the house and he's got this little girl and he like collapses into the police's arms, hands the baby and he, and he falls on the ground and they have his arm blurred out in the video. So you know it's gotta be bad if they're like blurring it.

• 1:01:59Anthony Pompliano?

  And the first words he says to the cops, he goes, is the little girl okay? He didn't give a fuck about his arm, like, and you just like watching, you're like 99 out of a hundred times, that dude is a good dude who just acted in the moment and went and like did this. And you can tell because you have video, you hear the stories, like all the details, there's other people there or whatever, but we don't always get that. And so to me, it's like this fascinating, uh, uh, example where like normally we just get like a little snippet. We don't get the body cam footage. We don't get to hear what the kid said or anything. It's just like, oh, somebody did something and we're just left to like, I don't know. They say he's a good person. Says a bad person. Like, I don't know. You know, it's so different now.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  I thought you were going somewhere else with this.

• 1:02:42Anthony Pompliano?

  With what?

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  I thought you were gonna tell me that this guy was like a child molester or something.

• 1:02:44Anthony Pompliano?

  No.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  Like we think he's such a good guy, but he's really a piece of shit.

• 1:02:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I don't think so.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  He just wanted the kids.

• 1:02:50Anthony Pompliano?

  No, no, but it's just like in that moment, like, you know, the, the hero is the person you least expect, right? It's like the pizza delivery guy who's like just driving down, uh, randomly.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:59Anthony Pompliano?

  And it goes back to this whole thing of just like, man, that's somebody who just like was trying to do the right thing.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  I think generally people want to do the right thing.

• 1:03:06Anthony Pompliano?

  You think?

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think generally, I think people get caught up, like get lost in it. Like I think the fire festival guy, I think he was genuinely trying to make that shit work. Don't you?

• 1:03:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Like, I think he basically like got in, got in a little bit over his head and shit started hitting the fan and he's like, tried to do everything in his possible reach to make that shit work.

• 1:03:26Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  And it obviously didn't work.

• 1:03:27Anthony Pompliano?

  I also wonder-

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  People really want to fuck people over. I mean, I think sometimes they get backed into a position where they, they really have no choice. They have to like pick the lesser of the two evils, but.

• 1:03:37Anthony Pompliano?

  It's also, if you go back to like, when all the PPP loans were coming out, I have a friend who he works in credit, right? And he was like, that's so scary. And he was like, now's the time when the fraud's gonna start. And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, he was like, a lot of people don't realize that like, all the fraudulent stuff around loans and all that type of stuff, is because people get desperate. Right? So he was like, you know, and this is like secondhand, but he was basically like, yeah, like a lot of times if you go and you look at, you know, some major corporation or something, or somebody who was trying to get one of these PPP loans or whatever, they like, oh, let me change this one detail this one time. Makes you know it spirals out of control. And so like, I don't know.

• 1:04:20Anthony Pompliano?

  It also makes you think how much social media like exasperates all of this. Right? Like, many of these stories, the guy in Indiana, if we were living 50 years ago, like you and I wouldn't even have heard of it. Right? Because it wasn't in our local paper. And it wasn't on a local radio. Or maybe local television. Now, that shit went fucking viral.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Anthony Pompliano?

  People in other countries know about this random dude in Indiana. And so like, it just, it's like steroids to stories.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, individuals, definitely. You know, like people like that, you see stories like that with individual people. Because like, if you're by yourself and you see something really bad happening, or you see someone suffering, I feel like there's just this, this thing in our nature to help people. But the polar opposite of that, look, you went to Iraq, right? So like the military industrial complex, starting wars, killing tons of innocent people just to make tons and tons of fucking profit and tons of money. Like you think of all those people in the government, Dick Cheney and all the bureaucrats in the US government, the, the, the arms dealers that were making billions of dollars. Like there's this diffusion of responsibility

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  when you get caught up in this giant system where it's just like this competition for money.

• 1:05:42Anthony Pompliano?

  I also, I also think a lot about like local decisions, global decisions. So like, let's say that we're in a corporation with 10,000 people and you and I are like customer service reps. Right? We have no ability to make global decisions, like for the entire corporation or any of that type of stuff. We're only local decision makers. So like, maybe I make some decisions on calls that differ from yours, or maybe we make the same or whatever. Maybe we become a manager of like a team of like five to 10 people and we can make some local decisions for that team. But like the local decision makers have almost no impact on like what happens to the corporation or kind of the global. The reverse is also true, which seems weird because like the CEO and a lot of these like large organizations,

• 1:06:27Anthony Pompliano?

  they can make very big decisions, but like their their ability to control the decision making that happens like on the phone with the customer service rep is very hard.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:37Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Like it goes back to the diffusion. It's almost like the further you are away from like impact, the decision maker has less and less impact, right? And so, uh, a lot of times scandals and things that we read about in the news, especially in the business world, most of the time, not every time, but most of the time it's not actually the CEO. Yes, there are these outlier situations, but like it's like, oh, a team did something or there was like some weird practice that got put, some weird hiring practice, or there was some like controversial decision that was made or whatever. And of course, as the CEO, like they're responsible, whether they did

• 1:07:17Anthony Pompliano?

  it or not, right? Like those two are the business, their business. But it's just very, I don't know, it's just weird, right? And like, if you go to like the military industrial complex stuff, like who's responsible? Could we point to one person? Like, I guess you could just be like, oh, leadership 101, like the person at the top, the president of the United States is responsible. Like, that'd be one argument. Another argument is like, no, actually, there was like even like a public private thing, like there was the government, then there's a lot of defense contractors. You know, you watch something like War Dogs? You ever seen that movie?

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He's coming to my podcast tomorrow or Wednesday.

• 1:07:53Anthony Pompliano?

  Is he?

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Which one?

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Pac House.

• 1:07:58Anthony Pompliano?

  So like, so like, that's real, right? Like, that whole situation is like a real thing.

• 1:08:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Like who's responsible for that?

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  The government, bro. Are you kidding me? Like it's like they wanted the cheapest shit they could get to arm the Afghans, right? Like they didn't give a fuck how good the guns and the ammo were for the Afghans. But they had this, this embargo on China, this political thing they had to

• 1:08:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Yes.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  portray to the public.

• 1:08:27Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, is it when you say the government, right? Like this is where it gets into, is it the politicians? Is it like, I don't know, a general who's going in and like, he's part of the legislation or whatever? Is it like, uh, the lobbyist, right? There's like all these different parts to just like the government. And it gets weird because like, yeah, agreed, right? Like the government. And then it's like, okay, cool. Who, who, who is the government?

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:08:50Anthony Pompliano?

  And you're like, actually, it's like a little bit of all of them.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:08:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Right. It's kind of like one plus one plus one equals three. You can't blame the three. You gotta almost like try to break it down. It's very fucking weird.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  It is, man. I mean, could you, it's fucking crazy to me that there was even a website where you could just go bid on these federal contracts like this.

• 1:09:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, but there's pros and cons to that.

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Right. Like, like in some way.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:12Anthony Pompliano?

  It helps small businesses.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:13Anthony Pompliano?

  In another way, two dudes with a fucking computer.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  They didn't do anything bad, really. Did they? Like they, they, they didn't really, I know Pac House didn't make any money. He got fucked, but.

• 1:09:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, well, it, it goes back to like, again, good intention, bad intention, right? Which you should ask, right? Like try to, try to unpack that. But also it's like, did you know that it was something you weren't supposed to be doing? Well, like Uber, when they went to New York City, knew that they weren't supposed to be providing the Ubers because the taxi medallions and all this shit. But like, they had to push up against the local regulation in order to

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:49Anthony Pompliano?

  get people to do it. So it's like very weird.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Very blurry.

• 1:09:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  Because, and it's the same thing with War Dogs. It's, it's almost the same thing as Fire Festival. Like they got in so deep, they got the contract. Fuck, we gotta do everything we can to fulfill this order.

• 1:10:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Give us 20 million dollars, dude.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  We have this Chinese, we're already, we're already balls deep into this deal. We have to do everything we can to repackage it, put it in cardboard boxes and.

• 1:10:10Anthony Pompliano?

  The reverse is happening right now. Do you know, uh, uh, with Russia, China and, uh, oil and like energy?

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  So Russia, I don't know, I don't know the details, but I think Russia's getting super rich off China buying their oil.

• 1:10:24Anthony Pompliano?

  So yes, but Europe is like virtue signaling. We're not gonna buy Russian oil or natural gas, right? Or, or at least, uh, most Russian or, uh, European countries. Saying like, hey, we're not going to do this. We don't want to support support this country that just invaded Ukraine and all that stuff. So guess who they're buying it from? The Chinese.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:10:43Anthony Pompliano?

  But guess what China's getting it from? Russia. So literally, there was this article, I think it was in like New York Times or Wall Street Journal. And it was like, Russia is selling their uh uh energy to China. China's just like marking it up 2X.

• 1:10:57Anthony Pompliano?

  Which like, again, you look at it, you're like, this is so dumb. But then you, that's like the global analysis with all of the information. But you look at each individual decision and you're like, oh, okay. Uh, European country A doesn't want to buy from Russia because they don't want to support this like situation. Okay, like, I think most people are like, all right, like, I see that logic. I might agree, might not agree, whatever. But like, I see the logic. But then when you're like, oh, by the way, okay, Russia's just going to sell to China. China's going to mark it up 2X. And now you're going to go broke and also potentially freeze.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Fuck.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  Dude, it's so weird. Everything's about making money. Everything is just about money. Like, it's all about, like, me and him were talking about earlier, the world is the WWE, bro.

• 1:11:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Why do you, why do you think that? I know Matt thinks that. Why do you think that?

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  It's just, it's all about fucking gimmicks. It's all about selling gimmicks. It's all about pers- like, selling perspective and like, selling stories. That's really what it all is.

• 1:11:52Anthony Pompliano?

  How do you think about the state of like media and content today? Like, along those lines, if everything's a story, how much of it is like on the internet away from the big, uh, whether it's the Disney's, the, you know, Hollywood studios and like the New York Times of the world? Versus like, those are still very relevant and will be for a long time.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think, I think, um, I don't think that big media companies are gonna, are gonna be around forever. For much, I don't know how much longer, but like New York Times and like cable news and for sure, like, traditional cable TV shows are dying on the vine, right? Like, like the reality show boom that happened 10 years ago with like Pawn Stars and Duck Dynasty and all that shit. Nobody watches that. I don't, I don't think anymore.

• 1:12:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Duck Dynasty was fucking fire when it came out.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  Duck Dynasty was sick, wasn't it?

• 1:12:44Anthony Pompliano?

  These dudes got beards and they're rich. Like if you were, America was enthralled.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. It just, I mean, it just, it's evolving. I think the independent.

• 1:12:52Anthony Pompliano?

  What does it get replaced with?

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Journalism wins over everything. I think.

• 1:12:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Independent journalism.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Like the people like you and me, the people that are just like, have microphones in a room talking about shit and invite like, like it's, it's a great, it's such a, it's such a

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  natural exchange doing shit like this, right? Because we're, we're talking on each other's shows and we help each other because we're exchanging our views, our audience, our eye, the eyeballs, the attention. And there's no, there's no conflicting manipulative outside elements in this, right? It's just supernatural, it's natural.

• 1:13:25Anthony Pompliano?

  I think a lot about, you, you ever seen like people like, oh, would you take $500,000 for dinner with Jay-Z? You ever seen that like meme on the internet?

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Would you rather be, uh, uh, let's say doing documentaries with the New York Times? Or would you rather have a YouTube channel with 500,000 subscribers?

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Channel, a hundred percent. Are you kidding? Like all day. I think, I don't know who else, I don't know who would, who.

• 1:13:46Anthony Pompliano?

  I think that if you went and you asked people, and I'm picking on New York Times, just because they're probably the biggest from a subscriber standpoint, but like all of the major mainstream media. And you ask them, would you rather be in your job or would you rather be with the YouTube channel with 500 subscribers? I think most of them would pick the YouTube channel too.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:14:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  I definitely think so. I mean, I, I had, I mean, I spent a lot of my life, um, trying to sell TV shows to like big TV networks.

• 1:14:11Anthony Pompliano?

  What was that like?

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  And it was terrible. I mean, it was fun doing it. Like I, I did a couple of big projects where I spent years, like in crazy situations, filming really crazy shit. Like in the, one of them, I, I got to spend like five years in the Caribbean, like just to film a TV pilot. And, uh, then I got to shop the sizzle to, I got to meet with all the biggest TV networks there are. And, um, it ended up being like six years and the thing got to a green light meeting at Spike TV. And the CEO of ICOM killed it at the green light meeting. And that was just like, okay, where do we go from here? Like this is six years.

• 1:14:45Anthony Pompliano?

  It's just over.

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  It's, it's not necessarily over. I mean, you can keep trying. I mean, a lot of the, it's just.

• 1:14:49Anthony Pompliano?

  But over with Spike TV.

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  With Spike TV, yeah. But we had already pitched it to like every other, every other network. And the, and the weird thing about doing it is be like, you take this cool idea that you think is great, that you've been working on forever, that you think is exciting. And you pitch it to all these buyers. They all have notes. They all want to be like, uh, make, make these edits for us. We think we can sell it if you change it this much. All 16 production companies are saying that same thing. And so at the end of the day, you're just banging your head against a wall, trying to re-edit stuff to hopefully sell it and get paid for this project you've been working on for five years. And it 99% is not going to go anywhere. And that's how I started my YouTube channels. I started just taking the stuff that I was trying to sell to traditional TV networks and packaging it for YouTube. And that's why I learned to start my own shit. Yeah.

• 1:15:36Anthony Pompliano?

  How long did it take for you to realize it was going to work?

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  To realize what YouTube was going to work?

• 1:15:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Like the first video you post, how many views does it get?

• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  Couple hundred, maybe. I was learning, I was learning from, I just talk to my friend. I have a really good friend who, he actually, they just sold their company called Dupont Registry.

• 1:15:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay, what is that?

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  It's a, it's basically like the millionaires auto trader. It's just like high-end cars and yachts, but it's like the auto trader, it started out as like the auto trader for Lambos and Rolls Royces, basically. And it was really big in like the 90s and early 2000s.

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  And they recently just sold it, but I used to work, I worked for them right out of high school for my buddy. It was my friend whose parents owned it. So we like developed all the social media stuff for them because it was right when companies decided they needed to be on social media. So my buddy's dad was like, we need a YouTube channel. Danny, you're good at making videos. So we started getting all these crazy cars in all the time and making these sick videos and built a YouTube channel for them. And

• 1:16:36Anthony Pompliano?

  So that worked and you were like, okay.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  That worked. I learned kind of the formula there, like how, how it works when I have unlimited money to do whatever I wanted to do. And then from there, I left there, started working on like, on like developing TV, working on movies and, and

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  going through that whole rigmarole. And then I went to like, fuck, I'm going back to square one. I'm going back to just YouTube. I'm going to repackage all this crazy shit that I'm working on and posting it myself and just whatever I think is cool, I'm going to post it online.

• 1:17:05Anthony Pompliano?

  How much do you think about the content itself versus like the distribution of it, like driving people to go see it?

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  In the beginning of it, it was all distribution. Like I would post a video and then I would email probably like. Two hundred blogs and websites being like, and I would lie to them. I would be like, I would be like, yo, I just came across this sick video. I think your website viewers would love. Check it out or whatever. I would send that exact email to like a hundred, two hundred blogs and try to get it. And it worked.

• 1:17:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  A lot of them posted. Yeah, I had one video. One of the first videos I did that really blew up was a video down here. It was a guy buying a four million dollar Lamborghini Veneno and it was one of four. They made one in like the, or no, maybe one of three. How many colors are in the Italian flag? Three, maybe?

• 1:17:50Anthony Pompliano?

  Three.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  So there, yeah, so there's a green, white and what's the other color?

• 1:17:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Red.

• 1:17:55Speaker 02

  Red. So there was one with green trim, white trim and red trim. He bought the one with green trim. Four and a half million bucks. He bought it down South Beach and I filmed like him getting the car delivered. I interviewed him about it and then I edited the video, emailed a bunch of blogs about it. And the thing had like two million views in like two days. It was crazy. That was the first time I saw a video go viral. I was like watching my phone. Holy shit.

• 1:18:17Anthony Pompliano?

  What's the next one?

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:20Anthony Pompliano?

  And so what about now?

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  Now, now it's.

• 1:18:23Anthony Pompliano?

  You just post it and don't do anything?

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, now it's just, now it's so much different. Now it's, it's weird because we're like in this podcast world, you know? It's just like trying to be, I just try to do everything I can to be different from other podcasts because there's so many fucking podcasts. Everyone's a podcast. So I try to venture out of like the, the typical podcast guests that like do the, the rotation. You know, there's so many people that do so many different podcasts and I, I talk to people that are interesting that are on like tons of other podcasts. But most of my, most of my podcast episodes that have been most successful were people that had never done podcasts before, people that had never been interviewed on camera before or been in the media at all before.

• 1:19:08Anthony Pompliano?

  And is that something that introduces volatility? So you get some of the outsized, super viral, very popular videos, but also you'll post a video and get no views?

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'll, I mean, there's a lot of that that happens for sure.

• 1:19:24Anthony Pompliano?

  I think that's why a lot of people don't do it.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it's so it's risky, right?

• 1:19:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Like they, they, they need the safety net. They want to know, hey, I'm getting my 50, 100,000 views on every video. They don't want to risk, I could get 5,000 or I could get 5 million.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  That's the Nelk Boys model, right? They get, we're just gonna get the most, we got unlimited money again. Dana White's gonna fly in, fly in Trump, or we're gonna go to Mar-a-Lago. They're gonna just get the most famous people they know that are guaranteed gonna get. I mean, that's the smart way to do a podcast. You know, you're gonna be successful. But I think my mindset is the opposite. I want to get people that no one have ever heard of.

• 1:19:58Anthony Pompliano?

  And what, like, when that happens, do you see those people then blow up and go on a bunch of other podcasts?

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, one of the most successful examples of that is this guy, Matt Cox, who emailed me when he was in the halfway house. He was literally emailing me from the halfway house, right when he got out of prison. He's like, hey, I want to sell my book script. He, funny enough, going back to War Dogs, he wrote the manuscript for War Dogs.

• 1:20:22Anthony Pompliano?

  What?

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  And Warner Brothers stole it from him.

• 1:20:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Whoa, who is this guy?

• 1:20:27Speaker 02

  His name's Matthew Cox. He's a, he was a mortgage fraudster. So he committed tons of mortgage fraud right in, like in 2004, 2005, I think, 2006, right before the collapse.

• 1:20:40Speaker 02

  And he was on the run. Basically, what he was doing was he was renting houses and stealing people's identities, taking out mortgages, claiming he was the owner of these houses when he wasn't. So he was getting fake mortgage, he was faking his, faking, creating fake people and taking out mortgages under these fake people's names.

• 1:20:58Anthony Pompliano?

  That doesn't sound legal.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  He went to prison for like 20 something years and he just said, I'm going to become a writer in prison and he met Deveroli in prison, uh, who's the Ephraim Deveroli. He was the guy who basically was the main character of War Dogs. And, um, he wrote Deveroli's memoir. He basically like went to his cell every day when he was in there and wrote his personal story. And then, um, Deveroli got out before he did. Deveroli only did four years. So Deveroli got out, took the manuscript and sold it to Warner Brothers without Matt's permission.

• 1:21:33Anthony Pompliano?

  No way.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. So there's a big lawsuit that happened.

• 1:21:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, so they're still trying to figure it out.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  I think they're still trying to figure it out. Yeah.

• 1:21:38Anthony Pompliano?

  And so, uh, did this Matthew Cox, he's out now?

• 1:21:41Speaker 02

  So, yeah. So, yeah, he got out in 2019, the beginning of 2019.

• 1:21:46Anthony Pompliano?

  So he did like 12, 15 years?

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, yeah, exactly. I think he did right about, I think he actually did, I want to say it was 16 years. So 2019 minus 16 years, that's when he went in. So I might be a little bit wrong on when he was committing all that crime. But, um, anyways, yeah, he was emailing me right out of the halfway house, trying to convince me to do a documentary about him or do like a, sell a TV show about him or a movie about him. And I was just basically, he was emailing me so many times, I kept ignoring his emails. And, uh, he's finally, uh,

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  I emailed him back. I'm like, yo, I'm like,

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  we can do a podcast and see if there's any interest. And then if there's a lot of interest, maybe I can help you in other ways. And he was, he was not interested. And, uh,

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  he was doing, he was on work release. And then one day I had a podcast guest who had to reschedule. And I called Matt up from that, while he was in the halfway house. I'm like, yo, can you get here this afternoon and do a podcast? And he, he did it. And that was like one of my biggest podcasts.

• 1:22:46Anthony Pompliano?

  How many views?

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  I think it had like total, maybe like five or six million views.

• 1:22:51Anthony Pompliano?

  And why was everyone so interested?

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  Because he's just, I think, I think it was his personality. He's just charismatic. He's a really charismatic storyteller. He's a really good storyteller. And just the way he told his story, it was just like, watching him talk about his story was like watching a fucking movie, like watching a Catch Me If You Can or something like that.

• 1:23:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's fascinating. And he, so he took that opportunity and he has created his own YouTube channel now. He has like over 50,000 subscribers. He's sold.

• 1:23:18Speaker 02

  Thousands of books. He was, he became the face of a company called Home Title Lock. So he's now like the brand ambassador for Home Title Lock. He had companies flying him all across the world, like flying him out to talk to their board members. Like he's really

• 1:23:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, so it's kind of like the guy from Catch Me If You Can, where he basically was like, hey, I did all these things, but let me teach you how to prevent somebody else from doing these things.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly. Exactly. So he literally took that opportunity from that podcast, how popular it was and fucking made, built like a little empire out of it. It's incredible.

• 1:23:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. It is so cool to see people who nobody knows kind of blow up.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? It's, um, it's like a discovery thing. I think a lot about like, uh,

• 1:24:02Anthony Pompliano?

  talent is so innate to everything that we do in life. Like if you run a business, you're trying to find people to hire. If you're an investor, you're trying to find people to invest in. If you're creating content on the internet in an interview style, you're trying to find people who are interesting, whether they're known already, not known, or whatever. And in some way, you're like a broker, right? You're like trying to find the guest and then bring them to your audience. But there's very few people who can do it where like they're unknown completely to the internet and those people are special.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:24:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Like when you, and I do think that like sometimes you like find one. We had one in the Bitcoin world in 2018 where I remember we got done with the interview and I was like, holy shit. And I like turned like bought more Bitcoin.

• 1:24:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I was like, dude, I don't even know what you just were talking about. But like that was fucking crazy. And we put it out and it just exploded. I mean, it was like, you put it out within the first like 30 minutes. You're like, yep, here we go. And it just exploded. Um, but I do think something about like, that probably happens more often than we think. And it's just, um, serendipity, right? Like how did, like this guy just emailed you a bunch? And then another podcast guest didn't show up and you called him and you had him be close. And like, how did, like you could have never set out to be like, let's go find somebody in the mortgage fraud, you know, world and like the top down approach wouldn't have worked.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're right. Some of the best things, some of the best shit happens when you don't plan it at all and it just happens, like serendipity.

• 1:25:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And also I think, uh, the New York Times would have never done that.

• 1:25:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Because that person in some way is a risk to the brand. And so like sometimes like the brand actually prevents you from talking to certain types of people.

• 1:25:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Because like, there's a stamp of approval.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Whether it should be that way or not, it's just in the eyes of the audience. If it's written about in the Wall Street Journal,

• 1:25:53Anthony Pompliano?

  they stamped it.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:54Anthony Pompliano?

  They said, this is legit. They said, you know, whatever. And it's why like, I don't know, Theranos. People are like, oh, look at all the reporters who wrote all these articles, like whatever. And they're like, you're supposed to like, have the bar. You're supposed to like, be the certifier.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:26:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Which like, yes, the internet is taking that power back. Right? And kind of saying, hey, look, maybe that's not a good thing.

• 1:26:15Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, you and I can bring all kinds of people, have a conversation with them. And the audience would love it.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:21Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Versus like, can you imagine if somebody at the New York Times like, talked to this guy?

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's also scary too, because companies like YouTube and Twitter are becoming the same thing.

• 1:26:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you worry about them taking your stuff down?

• 1:26:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, all the time. I mean, I obviously have to think about it. That sucks having to think about it because it stifles your creativity, you know?

• 1:26:39Anthony Pompliano?

  We not only think about it, like, we like, have actively been like, should we like, have a plan? Are there things that we're not supposed to talk about? That's like a crazy thing to say in the United States of America. Things that we're not supposed to talk about, that we can talk about, but we can put on the platform and like, put it in a way where it won't get taken down.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  Like, how specifically?

• 1:27:02Anthony Pompliano?

  There's certain topics that I personally believe get suppressed.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:27:10Anthony Pompliano?

  You should talk to somebody who says something critical about China and put it on YouTube and you tell me whether you think that video got suppressed or not. Again, it's not every video, it's not all this stuff. But rather than say C-H-I-N-A, what if it says C-H asterisk N-A?

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was talking to somebody else who was saying the same, kind of the same thing. But he was basically saying that he thinks about his, he does long form podcasts. And he's saying that he will personally put the controversial topics towards the end of the podcast. Like, after the hour and a half mark.

• 1:27:46Anthony Pompliano?

  You just think the YouTube employees won't listen that far?

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Right, I guess. I don't know, but like having to like consciously think about that is crazy.

• 1:27:55Anthony Pompliano?

  But it's also like, is it just the controversial topics? Or like, I do wonder, we had our channel deleted one time.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:28:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, I don't know if you know this, yeah. Uh, we were like on a live stream and uh, we were interacting with the audience, doing all the stuff, we had a guest, whatever. And then right uh, at the end of the video, um, the video ended and I got like an email and then a second email immediately. And the channel was just gone. And like, I got a big enough Twitter following, I just like raised hell and I was like, yo, what the fuck was that?

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:23Anthony Pompliano?

  And they basically were like, oh, sorry, like unemployed made a mistake. And I was like, dude, one employee has the ability to just like zap?

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? And that's not a YouTube, that's just like every social media uh, platform has this. But like, we forget like, what's the better solution, right? Like, how bureaucratic would it become if you need like five employees to approve it?

• 1:28:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:28:49Anthony Pompliano?

  So it's local decision, global decision, right?

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I'm sure a lot of it has to like, there are probably individual people working from home, from YouTube, that work at YouTube, that they just have to probably go through and approve a thousand monetizations on YouTube videos every single day. You know, I don't, I mean, maybe not, maybe it's probably AI.

• 1:29:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. You ever read the stories of uh, the content moderators at Facebook? So.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:29:14Anthony Pompliano?

  A lot of them.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  I might have seen a podcast about this.

• 1:29:16Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't know about the podcast, but there's an article and a lot of them have like, uh, at least the early signs, if not the actual signs of PTSD.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:29:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, think about it, if um, uh, so there's two groups of folks, there's the content moderators and then also drone operators. Uh, my wife uh, has written about this before, where, so like the drone operators, I think is like a clear example. So. You're like, I don't know, in Arizona, in like a room, it's all computers and stuff, right? And you're sitting there, be like, operating a drone that's like somewhere else. And all of a sudden, they're like, you know, okay, locks on, like, oh, yeah, that's a bad person or whatever, like, fire. You hit a button and it explodes.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  That's weird. You're disconnected from this killing that you're doing.

• 1:29:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, then you like, go to like dinner. Right? Right? You know what I mean? Like, it's like a weird, weird, weird thing, whatever. It's like, there's been articles now that are like, hey, yeah, like, the remote drone operators, like, fucking crazy world. But also, there's one specific video, I remember, I worked at Facebook for two years. And at one point, there was a video from the Middle East, all the details don't matter, but basically, it was propaganda video where allegedly, they captured a foreign pilot. And the video was very graphic. They basically filmed the killing and burning of this pilot. It was done in a super like cinematic way, there was music, there's all this shit. And when it got on

• 1:30:42Anthony Pompliano?

  the Facebook platform, it was just replicate. And it was almost like a, like they call it a bot farm, but it is all over the platform. So Facebook, it wasn't the first time they dealt with this stuff, right? They're like, trying to say, hey, this violates all of our community guidelines, like all the steps, and they're trying to get it off the platform. Because it was type of video where like, I went to Iraq, I've seen plenty of crazy stuff, whatever. Like, I was like, dude, this graphic ass video, right? Like, this is one of those videos that like, if your parent.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  The guy was getting killed while he was alive, like, he was like, what were they, like, decapitating him or something?

• 1:31:13Anthony Pompliano?

  It was like, in a desert, they like, had him in a cage, and they like, doused him, and they lit on fire. And like, it was like, bad, right?

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so people were replicating this video?

• 1:31:24Anthony Pompliano?

  It looked like, to some degree, and again, I understood, because I talked to somebody who was like, working on it, but it looked like almost, you take a video and you upload it, but if you expect that they're gonna try to take it down, then you have like, 50 pages or 100 pages, and you post it to a bunch of them or whatever. And like, they were almost, it seemed like doing it like an automated fashion.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:31:46Anthony Pompliano?

  So it was like a whack a mole game, right?

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:31:48Anthony Pompliano?

  And so.

• 1:31:52Anthony Pompliano?

  I remember thinking to myself like, dude, there's somebody who like, somebody flagged it, they reviewed it, whatever. Recently it's come out, well, there's like content moderation teams and they sit all day long and they review content. Well, if it's flagged for like violence, it's like people shooting people, stabbings, like all, like all this stuff. You just sit and watch that all day. Yeah, you're gonna be fucked up.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It makes a lot of sense, huh?

• 1:32:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Like imagine if you just watched like gruesome things that, that platforms decide shouldn't be on the platform and your job is to just sit there and be like, nope, that's good. This is not good. Nope, that's good. This is not good. Crazy.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  That's a crazy thing I never even thought about. Wow, man. Well, Twitter allows a lot of that shit, don't they? So Twitter, I just saw a video on Twitter like a week ago of this dude getting in a fistfight and then this guy just pulls out a knife, hits him in the neck and then he's standing there and you just see blood shooting out of his neck and then he collapses.

• 1:32:47Anthony Pompliano?

  You should go back and see if it's still there. I don't know if you know like what account or whatever. Cause I always wonder when I see videos, you know, like that, is it just because like they haven't caught it yet and nobody's like reported it and then what gets reported?

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  It was that guy, Andy Ngo, he posted it, he reposted it, you know who I'm talking about?

• 1:33:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, yeah. The guy, he was like, what, in the Portland protest or something?

• 1:33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I think he got his ass kicked or something by a bunch of Antifa people or something.

• 1:33:11Anthony Pompliano?

  I think that he, I think that might have more than once and now like he kept going back. Um, yeah, but like that content is just kinda crazy.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:33:21Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't know. It, it makes you think a lot about the content that gets uploaded.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, it's, it's, I mean, I mean, going back to what you're talking about, about companies like the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, it's like Twitter and Facebook and YouTube are essentially worse than they are because they're, they're like the monopoly that controls all of the fucking media distributors. Like they're not just, they're not just the, the corporation that provides the journalism. They're the corporation that distributes the corporations that provide the journalism. So when you're like, when you're fucking dealing with, like they don't, I don't, like they're just dealing with their policies or trying to make shit conform to their policies. But when you start to talk about like,

• 1:34:07Speaker 02

  Them censoring stuff based on ideology, you kind of get crazy like it's it's it sounds good and I want it like I like everyone talks about it, but it's just it's hard for me to fathom that they really are taking shit down.

• 1:34:24Anthony Pompliano?

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• 1:35:09Anthony Pompliano?

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• 1:35:53Anthony Pompliano?

  are like all content from one political party is good or bad. I find like with you, I'm like, that's hard for me to believe. I've been inside of one of the companies.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Right, right. You worked with with Snapchat too, right?

• 1:36:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, for a little while. And when you like, look at it, it's like at Facebook, there was definitely like a single piece of content would get shared. Somebody like, hey, what is this or whatever? But at least from what I saw in 2014, 2015, it was never like, all good, all bad, this political party, that political party. But then you look at like, take Twitter, I never worked with Twitter, but uh, the Hunter Biden laptop story.

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Like that, again, local decision, we'll call it local, even though it had a global impact. Local decision in terms of this one piece of content, are we going to allow it? And it wasn't like, um.

• 1:36:40Speaker 02

  He said the FBI told him not to, Zuckerberg just said the FBI is the one that they tipped him off.

• 1:36:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Like warned him or something, right? Yeah, it's like, and I think they, I think what he said to Rogan was that they like suppressed the distribution, but didn't completely block it. Which again, like.

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:36:54Anthony Pompliano?

  It, it, it just gets into this whole game of like, I always try to put myself in their shoes. What should they have done?

• 1:37:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? And like, it's a complicated fucking world because guess what? If it had been not the true story or whatever, like basically what they were warned of, then all of a sudden, if you just let everything fly, you know, it's just like this weird world.

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, totally. Yeah, I understand.

• 1:37:20Anthony Pompliano?

  So it's kind of, it's kind of like lose, lose to some degree.

• 1:37:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:37:23Anthony Pompliano?

  But with the Twitter thing, I was, I remember people were like sharing, sharing something like, I can't DM this privately to my friend.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  Right, you can't even DM shit.

• 1:37:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Fuck. And that's when I was like, all right, like this is kind of crazy stuff. And it was a New York Post article. It wasn't like, uh, from what I remember, the thing that was being blocked wasn't like, uh, uh, you know, Danny's Wild Conspiracy Theory.com, right? It was like one of the longest standing media outlets in the country.

• 1:37:51Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:37:51Anthony Pompliano?

  And again, sure, some people don't think that they do, you know, real work or whatever, but like, I don't know.

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, that and the, all the vaccine shit, like that specifically, that's easy to type, figure out the motives behind that, it's all money. It's like the pharmaceutical industry pushing their vaccines, like they don't want anybody talking negatively about vaccines.

• 1:38:11Anthony Pompliano?

  We, we posted a video recently. And we had a guest on and he was talking about how we're essentially moving from an American dominated kind of global world order to this like multipolar world. Now, multipolar world just means that like, there'll be like the American view of the world, there might be like a Russia-China view of the world, and maybe there's even like a, you know, I don't know, whatever other views of the world, but like, we're gonna have multiple views of the world, it won't be so much globalization, it'd be more like nationalism. And this is something that they're talking about on every media outlet. We have politicians talking about it, we have economists talking about it, like, this is a question right now, are we gonna continue with globalization, or are we gonna pull back

• 1:38:55Anthony Pompliano?

  from that a little bit due to geopolitical conflict, supply chain disruptions, like all these different things. So this guy was talking about the new world order, like, falling. So he was saying like, hey, like, this, this thing that people have talked about is like, not gonna be a thing in the future, we're gonna go back to like, an American-centric view of the world, and then other places.

• 1:39:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:39:16Anthony Pompliano?

  And we titled the video something like, is the, is the new world order, is the world order falling? Right? And YouTube put like, a, a warning, or like, a, I think it was a context panel to Wikipedia article, and it was like, new world order, this is a conspiracy theory by people, blah, blah, whatever. And I was like, man, like, sure, maybe there's like, an extreme version of it, but like, the way that he was using it was not like, there's five people who run the world, he was using it as just like, the way the world has been.

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:49Anthony Pompliano?

  Is not gonna be the same way moving forward.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:39:52Anthony Pompliano?

  And that was the first time I said to myself, I was like, oh, they're probably using like, AI or something, they just see a phrase, and they immediately put the thing, that's not human reviewed.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  Can't be, right?

• 1:40:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, because if you watch the video, you'd be like, oh, these guys are just, he used a poor choice of words at worst, right? But again, you're doing this for billions of videos, like, what are you gonna have, you know, 100 million people to sit there and watch a couple of videos every day?

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:40:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Can't do that.

• 1:40:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, the whole like, view of, I wonder if, if, when it will change, when humans will evolve into not thinking like Russians, Americans, Chinese.

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  You know, in like

• 1:40:31Anthony Pompliano?

  You think we'll ever do that?

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  When the tribal mentality of humans will, if it, if we'll get wiped out before that happens, but I wonder what it would take for us to evolve into something, just thinking of like, everybody is just humans.

• 1:40:45Anthony Pompliano?

  You need catastrophe, unfortunately.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  You need catastrophe. Yeah, you probably do, right?

• 1:40:50Anthony Pompliano?

  Think about it. Republicans, Democrats, like, all of a sudden, those lines kind of blur and everyone's just like un-American when there's like, an external threat to America.

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Right?

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:02Anthony Pompliano?

  And sure, there's some idiots that try to politicize things, whatever, but like, for the most part, okay, nine 11 was a good example. Everyone was like, fucking America.

• 1:41:11Anthony Pompliano?

  And then like, you see like, Europe comes together when the Russia, Ukraine stuff happens. Right? So like, there's this almost like, external risk or catastrophe, it seems. Aliens would be like, a fucking global, yo, human first, whatever's coming.

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, because politicians, political parties and governments would lose their power. They would lose the allegiance of their people. They would lose Democrats and Republicans and they would, we would just have earthlings.

• 1:41:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you think that aliens are real?

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. Yeah, I think, I think, I don't know. I think they're real. I, I don't not think they're real. I for sure think that, I mean, just from the people that I've talked to, that.

• 1:41:50Anthony Pompliano?

  So say, let's just say, let's say that they exist. I think the more important question is, will we interact or discover them during our lifetime?

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  I think they exist, but the thing I don't know is, what are they?

• 1:42:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay, explain.

• 1:42:03Speaker 02

  Or like, where they came from, I think is the question. I think something exists, whether, like, whether it's time travelers or something from another planet, or some sort of civilization living under the ocean.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  There's gotta be, I wanna know who's responsible for those fucking, those UFO videos. Like, somebody advanced is responsible for that. I don't know if it's the US, Russian, or Chinese government. I don't think it's, I think it's too advanced.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  Some, somebody, some-

• 1:42:42Anthony Pompliano?

  The Tic Tac thing is wild.

• 1:42:43Speaker 02

  Someone else has gotta be responsible for that. I don't think it's humans.

• 1:42:46Anthony Pompliano?

  The Tic Tac thing is the one, uh, was it, uh, Bob Lazard? Right? You know this guy? He's the one who worked at, uh, Area 51 or whatever. And he was like, oh yeah, there was like, like, disc looking spaceships. And you're like, alright, that was like 40 years ago.

• 1:43:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, he described traditional flying saucers.

• 1:43:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And so like, alright, you see the Tic Tac thing and it's just, again, I'm not a, uh, uh, what is it, like, uh, expulsion engineer or whatever, right?

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  Propulsion?

• 1:43:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Propulsion, yeah, propulsion engineer. See, I told you I was.

• 1:43:18Anthony Pompliano?

  And, uh, uh, when you think of it, it's like, dude, I've never seen anything do that before. Like, I don't know if you saw a video recently, uh, on Twitter? And they have like a screenshot, it's this thing that like, look, appears to be like, flying down, uh, the sidewalk, like, fast. It's got like a little light.

• 1:43:37Speaker 02

  I haven't seen that.

• 1:43:38Anthony Pompliano?

  And, uh, and there's a screenshot of it. And of course, like, the way the screenshot is, it just looks like fucking crazy thing, right? And I kept thinking to myself, I was like, that could be like a bullet, right? That just like the way that the air kinda behind the bullet or something, that could be something else. Like, I have no clue.

• 1:43:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:52Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, I don't trust any videos I see anymore.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  No, I don't trust any videos I see, especially, no. I mean, especially when it's on T, even if it's not like, social media, you see someone on social media and it's probably bullshit, right? If you see something like a UFO that somebody just posts, but if it's on TV, you can almost guarantee it's bullshit. Because there's so many, like, shows like Ancient Aliens, all those History Channel shows, they just over-dramatize all that shit so much.

• 1:44:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Have you ever talked to one of those guys?

• 1:44:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:44:16Anthony Pompliano?

  I had an Ancient Alien researcher-

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:44:20Anthony Pompliano?

  -on the podcast like two years ago. Uh, Bruce Fenton, I think is his name. And, uh, uh, he, he had me until like the very end. And he's like walking through like the dinosaurs, like- Like all this stuff and all these theories or whatever. And then he was like at the very end, he's like, and by the way, they're ancient aliens. And I was like, you lost me on that part, but like, well, there's like theory behind up until some point.

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  Well, here's the, the most, there's evidence, like there is evidence of super advanced technology back in the days of like the, in like the Egyptian times. Like if you actually dissect the timeline, there's this dude who has a fascinating YouTube channel. His name's, uh, his channel's called Uncharted X.

• 1:45:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  Um, and he goes to, he's been to Egypt and Mesopotamia and I forget the other places that he's been to, but he studies like the ancient ruins. He studies like the pyramids and all the different ruins in Egypt and other areas around the world. And he focuses down on like specific

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  engineering that was used. So one of the best examples to me is the core drilling. So there's like this basalt rock that is used for the, like those stones that you see on the pyramids, super, super hard fucking rock. I'm, I'm going to sound like an idiot the way I describe this because I don't know, I don't know the specific details, but, um, he looks at these giant pieces of fucking stone, like big, like twice as big as this entire table of basalt. And there's clearly like a giant circular perfectly symmetrical blade that is cut into them. And some of them, they're, and they're giant. And these rocks are so hard that some of our

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  most advanced machines today that cut granite countertops could, could not even cut them, especially on that scale.

• 1:46:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Interesting.

• 1:46:18Speaker 02

  On top of that, there's these cores that are drilled in these rocks, these perfectly cylindrical cores that are, that are drilled out of these rocks that in note, like this technology, we didn't even have in the eighties or the nineties. And this supposedly happened in the times of, of ancient Egypt. So like he, he takes the evidence and then, and then there's pottery. And there's some pottery that is like, have you ever seen a piece of clay that's molded like on a clay wheel? Like people like they throw on the wheel and they make this perfectly symmetrical. Piece of clay pottery. It's basically identical to a piece of clay pottery in symmetry and smoothness, but it's the hardest rocks that exist on earth.

• 1:47:00Speaker 02

  That is that if you gave it to anybody today with the most advanced technology, they would not be able to replicate that out of that stone.

• 1:47:08Anthony Pompliano?

  That's crazy.

• 1:47:09Speaker 02

  Unless like, unless like some people argue that maybe they, they, they melted it, you know, kind of like how we like form concrete with like wet concrete and then we form it perfectly. But the science behind it is they couldn't have made that molten and, and formed that. Yeah, they couldn't have done that.

• 1:47:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  So he, he goes deep into this shit and the only explanation is that there was some sort of super advanced civilization that happened that existed before the Egyptians. That the Egyptians basically took it from them and repurposed it.

• 1:47:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Can you imagine if at some point in the future, it was like, hey, the aliens aren't coming. They were already here.

• 1:47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:50Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, we're actually the dumb version of, of the people to inhabit.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's probably the most logical thing is what happened was there was a super advanced civilization that existed back then. Cataclysms came, obviously there's like in ancient texts, the Bible, um, all of the ancient texts from around the globe. There's depictions of cataclysms of fire in the sky of, of massive floods. And this is all vindic, this all is, you could interpret it as

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  asteroids or comets hitting the earth and melting the ice caps and like making the world flood. And this could easily wipe out a large percent of the population. Now, if there was some sort of advanced civilization, civilization and they figured out how to survive and/or escape the planet somehow. That's one of the theories. It's a crazy, there's no evidence that that happened. But it's, if you look at some of the technology that this guy Ben from Uncharted X has discovered, there's been virtually zero, zero explanations for what he's discovered.

• 1:49:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  Modern, there's no modern technology that could do what has been done to those stones back then, even today.

• 1:49:11Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't have the answers, but I love this shit. Right? Cause it just feels like, like almost like a detective trying to like figure it out.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  Hmm. It's, it's fascinating just to like, that's, to think about that kind of shit really lights my fucking mind up. Because it's something that, it's just one of those things. I think it's something that's ingrained deep in, in our primitive brains that we just want to, we're, we're just naturally interested in that shit because it's like, where did we come from? What, what are we missing?

• 1:49:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:44Speaker 02

  From this whole thing.

• 1:49:45Anthony Pompliano?

  I agree. Where can we send people to find your podcast?

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  Uh, on YouTube, Concrete, spelled K O N C R E T E. That's the main place people watch it. Actually Spotify has been, our Spotify audience has been growing tremendously too. So we actually have more people who watch our episode on Spotify, weirdly enough than we have on YouTube.

• 1:50:05Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. So if you just search Concrete Podcast on Spotify, it's on iTunes too, but so like the audio side has been growing tremendously.

• 1:50:13Anthony Pompliano?

  It's very interesting.

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Why'd you use a K for Concrete?

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  Because um, I had another, so before I started doing YouTube, I had a advertising agency and I got a cease and desist from a company in California who had the same name. And it was just me and my friend at that time. So we didn't have money to, to fight a lawsuit. So we just changed the name. And a buddy of mine who was actually in the, the real concrete industry, he, he said, hey man, there's this cool domain name we almost bought for our company, but it's just spelled concrete with a K.com. And this was like a 2011 or something. And like even back then a dot com was rare to have a one word dot com. I thought it looked sick, just concrete with a K. So I bought it for like 5,000 bucks and that's it.

• 1:50:53Anthony Pompliano?

  That's awesome.

• 1:50:54Speaker 02

  There's no, there's no like, deep explanation for it. It was just, it was available and it looked cool online. It looked cool.

• 1:50:59Anthony Pompliano?

  There's no better.

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  The word looks cool. K O N C R E T E.

• 1:51:02Anthony Pompliano?

  There's no better reason to do it than that. And it's not hard to like, like when you see it, you know what it is, right? It's not like, oh, what did all those let? Like it's concrete.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. People misspell it all the time, which probably is not good for like discovering it on the internet, but whatever.

• 1:51:16Anthony Pompliano?

  I enjoyed talking. I'm excited to talk more.

• 1:51:19Speaker 02

  Hell yeah, man. I, I, I hope you're gonna come on my podcast because I think that'll be a good one. I want to talk about like crypto and all that shit with you.

• 1:51:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Let's do it.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:51:26Anthony Pompliano?

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