The Three Timing Sheriff w Caleb Hearon (Fraud Friday)

What's poppin, con-gregation? Caleb Hearon joins us to discuss a cheating chief of police who falsified documents to hide his many affairs. Plus, a Texas resident scams millions of CARES Act money from Uncle Sam. Stay schemin! Research by Sharilyn Vera. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod https://www.instagram.com/scamgoddesspod/?hl=en Laci Mosley: @divalaci https://www.instagram.com/divalaci/?hl=en Caleb Hearon: @sooootruepod https://www.instagram.com/sooootruepod/?hl=en SOURCES: https://heavy.com/news/jason-collier/ https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/three-timing-texas-police-chief-jason-collier-arrested-by-texas-rangers-11982954 https://abc7news.com/ppp-fraud-houston-covid-funds-scam-business-owners-bought-luxury-cars-with-loans-ladonna-wiggins/10385500/ See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:51Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? We are back with another installment of Scam Goddess. It's me, your host, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, and I'm here with an icon, guys. I'm so what? Yes, excited for this. Oh, my God, he's so hilarious. You've seen all of his funny-ass videos on the internets. He was JFL when JFL didn't have no damn outside, honey. When they were just putting him on the radio. He was... Listen, that's an accomplishment. You got JFL during the Panda Rosa, and that is a true accomplishment. Guys, I have Caleb here with me. Hi, Caleb.

• 3:33Speaker 07

  Hello. How's it going, dude?

• 3:35Laci Mosley?

  It's going great. How are you?

• 3:38Speaker 07

  I'm great. I'm in a hotel room right now. You can see...

• 3:40Laci Mosley?

  Okay, fancy. Wait, what's...

• 3:42Speaker 07

  Suitcase.

• 3:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes. What jobs you been working on, Caleb? I'm gonna ask you before we start it. I'm gonna ask you right now. What jobs you working on? What can you tell me?

• 3:49Speaker 07

  Oh, you know, I'm in Chicago. I'm filming for Work in Progress on Showtime.

• 3:55Speaker 07

  But, you know, I'm really just trying to keep up with you because you're doing everything. You're doing... You're out here working. You're doing everything. You're a star.

• 4:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, thank you. So are you. It's so good to talk to you. I also love that you are in this hotel room and you have a full microphone set up. Like, my man is holding a mic. And I'm so into it. Come on, professionalism. You about to give me your type 15?

• 4:16Speaker 07

  Exactly, exactly.

• 4:20Laci Mosley?

  Well, congratulations. We love to see a booked and busy king, okay?

• 4:24Speaker 07

  We absolutely do.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  I like this shirt. It's...

• 4:27Speaker 07

  Thank you. I got this shirt because Frank Ocean has this shirt. And once I saw Frank in it, I said, well, it's time. I have to go get it. So I got it.

• 4:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. Wait, I have to read it. It says, "Why be racist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic when you could just be quiet?" Amen.

• 4:42Speaker 07

  Hello? Thank you. Have we heard of it? Look it up. Google it.

• 4:45Laci Mosley?

  Silence is always an option.

• 4:47Speaker 07

  And people don't exercise that enough.

• 4:49Laci Mosley?

  Especially y'all.

• 4:50Speaker 07

  People do not exercise that enough. It is a right. It is a right and an opportunity, and people should take it more often.

• 4:57Laci Mosley?

  Take advantage of being quiet. It costs nothing to put them two lips together and hold it. Mmm, don't it feel so good?

• 5:08Laci Mosley?

  You know, and you can put them two fingers together, too. Stop emailing me with y'all's critiques. I don't want your feedback. I want scams, and y'all know this, okay? That's it. And that's it. Like that Kanye song, "We want the scams, and that's it." Okay.

• 5:23Speaker 07

  And that's it.

• 5:24Laci Mosley?

  And that's all. Caleb, what's your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Have you... Do you like them?

• 5:32Speaker 07

  I have never.

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  Like, it could be anything.

• 5:33Speaker 07

  I have never been scammed. I will... I'm unscam-able. No one could scam me. Yeah, you could...

• 5:41Speaker 07

  I... Look, you would have to wake up awfully early in the morning to scam me. It just is not... It is not gonna happen for you. I... I just... I see through it. I see the scams. I grew up poor, so I know what a scam looks like, honey. I have been around them. I have a lot of respect for scammers. And when people do try to scam me, all I can say to them is, "I see it and I appreciate it. Thank you for trying. You'll have to move on, but thank you for trying."

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  So you're not a mark, but you do appreciate a good scam. Really, good for you. You tried. I appreciate the effort. Okay, yes, I will take this. I...

• 6:16Speaker 07

  The art of the scam. Big fan.

• 6:18Laci Mosley?

  I've been all around. Do you remember, like, an attempted scam someone tried on you ever?

• 6:23Speaker 07

  Oh, God.

• 6:24Laci Mosley?

  You don't have to.

• 6:25Speaker 07

  You know, you know, I will tell you. Here are two scams that come to mind. I'll tell you my favorite scam in recent history, and I'll tell you a scam that's been attempted on me. A scam that gets attempted on me a lot is... Look, on gay dating apps, there are

• 6:40Speaker 07

  a lot of scammers. And, like, people will... Like, there's this one particular scam that gay men try to do on dating apps where they're like, you know, they'll message you. And this is not the same as sex workers. Sex workers are dope. We love them. We support them.

• 6:53Laci Mosley?

  Right, because that's a profession. So if you're getting involved in that, it's like you're getting... You're trading. There's an exchange of services.

• 7:00Speaker 07

  Exactly. Love sex workers. Happy for them. What I'm talking about is when you're having... You're chatting with a gay man on, say, Grindr. And he is like... He's interested. You're interested. You're like, hey, do you want to come over? He's like, yes. You're like, great, let me just clean up my room and do all that stuff. And then he will be like, great, but I don't have a car. And you'll be like, well, I'm not gonna come pick you up. I'm not like this is not high school. I have... It's been a long time since I've been doing that. And then... And then the scam is this. They'll say, well, I want to come over, but I just need you to Venmo me gas money so I can get there. And I have never in my life fallen for this because I know as soon as the Venmo hits, you're just gonna do this to 20... Yeah, you're gonna get $5 gas money from 20 people tonight, make $100 and log off.

• 7:45Speaker 07

  And I respect that.

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  I do.

• 7:47Speaker 07

  But I can't be part of it.

• 7:49Laci Mosley?

  Also, gas money, what is it, 1989? Who the fuck is... Like, why don't you get... Ask for an Uber? Like, I'll call you an Uber, gas money.

• 7:57Speaker 07

  Literally. That's literally... Because the first time it happened to me, this guy was really cute. And he had his Instagram attached. I was like, he's real, and I know what's going on. And I was like, look, I will buy you an Uber. I mean, I have a job. Not to brag.

• 8:12Laci Mosley?

  Mr. Caleb is booked and busy.

• 8:13Speaker 07

  Not to brag, but I can afford to buy you an Uber.

• 8:16Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 8:17Speaker 07

  And he was like, no, no, I have a car. I just need money for gas. And then I was like, oh, well, I'm out because that seems sketchy. I'll just hook up with somebody else who isn't doing that.

• 8:26Laci Mosley?

  Right, who has... Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 07

  And then it's continued to happen. And I'm like, oh, this is a scam that people run on dating apps, and good for them.

• 8:35Laci Mosley?

  Did he ask for a specific amount of gas money? Because gas money out here looking like GPAs, like, summa cum laude. It's like, what, $4? Like, gas is too successful and too smart. We want dumb gas. We want academic probation gas.

• 8:49Speaker 07

  Gas is highly educated in LA. I... They... Yeah, I mean, it'd be like $5, $10. And I'm like, look, I'm offering to get you a nicer option. This is how you know it's a scam because the nicer option is, I will send an Uber to get you. I will send you home in an Uber because you're certainly not staying at my place. I can tell you that much. So it's like, I'm offering you the nicer thing, and you're not taking it? That, to me, that has scam written all over it.

• 9:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, for sure. Because there's so many people on Grindr that especially if you're cute, you can match with a bunch of people and get your little coin. Yeah, but that is funny that you would think... That anyone would think that like, oh, can I have $5 for gas? It's like legitimate in the year of our Lord 2021. Like, you want just enough money to get to my house and turn around? It's like, look, I just need 1.83 gallons, and then we gonna be fucking all evening.

• 9:39Speaker 07

  Well, and that's another scam. I'll tell you, too, that gay men on dating apps a lot of times will say... Will say things like that where they're like, oh, we're gonna fuck all night. We're gonna... I'm gonna fuck you for... And I'm like, no. No one's gonna fuck me all night. I'm going to bed. You're gonna fuck me for a little while, and then you're gonna go home and leave my house. You're not fucking me all night. I have... What are you talking about?

• 10:00Laci Mosley?

  Right. Fucking all night is a scam. I feel like you can only fuck all night if you unemployed. Bitch, I'm good with a nice 13 minutes, and then maybe around two, but that's it. We don't... All night, bitch, no.

• 10:11Speaker 07

  You can fuck... If you want to fuck me, you can fuck me for 27 minutes before I fall asleep. And then maybe in a couple of days, we could do it again. That... We're talking like an hour a week maximum spread out over all seven nights. There's no way I'm fucking all night.

• 10:27Laci Mosley?

  This calendar spread over all seven nights. I know, that's right. I got a skin routine to do talking about something fucking all night. I gotta get these pores moisturized. What do you mean?

• 10:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, could never be me. But my favorite scam in recent memory is... And I... God, I wish I knew her name. You might... I think you've done an episode about this. I'm not sure, but... If you haven't an episode, you know of it. That, um, that black girl who scammed all the mega people by wearing a

• 10:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes, the MAGA Trump black girl. I loved her. The only thing that upset me about her scam was she actually came out and was like, this is a scam. I think she gave someone her money back. I was like, baby girl, don't get that money back. That's called reparations. No.

• 11:07Speaker 07

  Right. Yeah. If anything, no, no, no, I don't like that at all. She should have kept all of it. She should have kept it going. I mean, I, there was also those guys, and I know you posted about this because I remember seeing it, but those guys who,

• 11:19Speaker 07

  were selling Trump gear at like the Capitol shit or the, around the election. And they were like, we don't fuck with Trump at all. We're just trying to make money. And I was like, absolutely. You gotta scam these people.

• 11:28Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And I later found out, cause y'all are fucking mood killers, but that that was like a spoof story or something. But I'm sure that there are real people out there doing this. Don't ruin my fun trying to tell me stuff ain't true. Don't ruin the fun. We having fun here.

• 11:41Speaker 07

  It's real to me.

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  It's real to me and in my heart.

• 11:42Speaker 07

  It's all about standpoint.

• 11:43Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Okay.

• 11:44Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's it. It's real for me and for my, for me and my friends and my family and my loved ones. That story is real and I'll never change my mind. I've already made up my mind about it.

• 11:52Laci Mosley?

  I'm absolutely with you on that. Also, like, it's so funny to me, this, you know, everyone talks about woke culture and cancer culture. First of all, I fucking hate when white people steal words from black folks, when black folks are minding our business on black Twitter and we're not talking to you. Cancelled was ours first and we weren't actually cancelling people. We were just having fun and we would be like, oh, you cancelled. Like, you know, it was just a joke. And then white people took it and were like, oh my God, cancel culture. And it's like, you mean consequences for your actions? What are you talking about? Also, it's so bizarre to me that white people will go beyond, uh, to prove that they're not racist by buying racist merch from black people.

• 12:35Speaker 07

  Yeah. To be like, to be like, no, no, no, no. I get, I get my, uh, white supremacy gear from a black man. You can't actually come from me.

• 12:43Laci Mosley?

  My white supremacy store is black owned. Okay. I donate to black mad girls.

• 12:50Speaker 07

  This is literally, I mean, that, the, look, that is why grifters that have marginalized identities that choose the conservative grift are so dangerous. Candace Owens is dangerous. Milo Yiannopoulos is dangerous because they can point and say, look, a black woman, a gay man, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They're on my side. They agree with me. I can't be the things you're calling me. That's why, um, that's why somebody like, you know, Nikki Haley or like Kristi Noem in South Dakota. She's a big GOP rising star. The, the right thinks that they can, you know, prop up people with marginalized identities and then go, look, we can't be sexist, racist, homophobic, et cetera. Look at what we did. And it's like, no, you just found a grifter. That's all you did. You found a grifter.

• 13:32Laci Mosley?

  Cause Candace Owens used to be a Democrat and then she realized the coins, the coins were in hatred. And then she went and she, she got that hate bag. And I mean, when you think about it like that, I can still be mad at her, but you know, her hair is mad enough at her already. So, you know, what else can I do that her edges haven't already done to her face? You know what I mean? That hair is arid. Okay, honey. When, when California be having their wildfire notices, you know, I'd be like, Candace, you better stay away from broken glass. One wrong angle from the sun, bitch. It's all over for you. That shit going up in flying.

• 14:08Speaker 07

  Stay away.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  Hell boy, Candace, don't do it.

• 14:11Speaker 07

  Do not hang out around a fire. You are in trouble, Candace. We're worried. We are worried.

• 14:16Laci Mosley?

  We are concerned. And by concerned, I mean, I want it to happen. So, I mean, rooting for it and praying for it.

• 14:22Speaker 07

  All of this is reverse, this is reverse psychology. Please hang out by a fire. Please hang out by broken glass. We're looking for it.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  Own the libs by hanging out by a dumpster fire.

• 14:34Laci Mosley?

  Own us, girl.

• 14:34Speaker 07

  Get our asses, please.

• 14:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we need that. Read us, drag us. Um, let's get into our first segment here, guys. What's hot and fraud? If you're new to the show, this is where I warn our listeners about popping new scams on the streets, or more often than not, we get a letter from you guys, where you can snitch on your friends and family. And if you'd like to participate in that, [email protected]. Just make sure the bag is retired. We don't want to fuck up your coins. So Caleb, I need a name. We don't care about gender on this show. Just a name for this person.

• 15:06Speaker 07

  Oh, D'Artagnan.

• 15:09Laci Mosley?

  D'Artagnan, yes. So, D'Artagnan says, I skipped all the stuff before D'Artagnan, but thank you. And D'Artagnan says that, uh, they are up on scams. Okay. So, D'Artagnan says, a jury duty summons was sent to me, but went to my parents' address. Considering only my junk mail ever lands in their mailbox, the summons got buried under a stack of coupon mailers. I didn't pick it up until after the call in date had passed. I contacted the court and explained what happened. They said my name went back to the jury pool and that I'd likely get a new summons within the next three to six months. Fast forward to three to six months later, I get a phone call from an officer explaining that I had missed my jury summons. I told him that I knew I had missed the first one, but he was still expecting the second one. He told me that I, um, that he was referring to the second summons.

• 15:54Laci Mosley?

  And somehow, again, I didn't receive or, you know, get any notification of my missed deadline. Now there's a warrant out for my arrest. So wait a minute. I didn't know they tried to put you in a clink if you missed jury duty. I thought you got like a fine and like the girls would be upset.

• 16:12Speaker 07

  I didn't even know they could do that. They can, they can put a warrant out for your arrest because you didn't go try to put somebody else in jail. This is a fucked up system. I do not like it here.

• 16:20Laci Mosley?

  Uh, I'm gonna Google all this, but I don't think you can send people to jail for missing jury duty. That just feels excessive. I know there's some fines. It'd be wild if you're sitting at court and then you waiting on the jury because you didn't do jury duty. And it was like, you're supposed to be on the other side. You're supposed to be over here.

• 16:38Speaker 07

  Hey, you made a choice. You made a choice. You could have been over here and now you're over there.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm like, can I do both? Can I also vote?

• 16:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, let me be my own juror. Cause guess what? I'm going home.

• 16:47Laci Mosley?

  We all should get one vote in our own trial.

• 16:51Speaker 07

  Absolutely. And it should count for a lot because it's like, I don't know, trust people kind of vibes. I, I would tell the truth.

• 16:57Laci Mosley?

  Right. And as a black person who, okay, so I did get a jury duty summons for the first time this year, but then, you know, the railroad hit. And so where was I gonna go in a Peter Piper, pick a pepper to like send somebody to jail?

• 17:11Laci Mosley?

  But I do think that people of color like, look, jury duty sucks, but we should go if we have it, if you can, because there's not enough people of color during juries. And so the peers, the jury of your peers is just a bunch of racist.

• 17:24Speaker 07

  Right. If, eh, look, anti, anti carceral state, anti carceral state people in general, we gotta take jury duty. Cause look, if, if you didn't like straight up kill an old woman in the street, I'm sending you home. You're getting off. You're not going to jail because the jail shouldn't exist. We all gotta go through that.

• 17:41Laci Mosley?

  Like for-profit prisons are a scam. They're just doing this shit so they can get free labor. Like you can get your license plates made by somebody that you can pay five cents to. Which is inhumane, no matter what crimes these people are doing. They still deserve a living wage. But yeah, like, it's like, we have to go. Cause like, you know, racist, they love a jury duty. That's a turn up for them. They're like, we got a brunch, then we go on a jury duty. We're gonna put some niggas in jail. And then we're gonna go home and watch the CMA, Country Music Awards and hope that Lil Nas X isn't back.

• 18:14Speaker 07

  It hurt, it hurt my heart that you threw country music in there because I do love country music, but I have to say you are not wrong. They do really love country music.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  I'm from Texas. I love me some country music. Okay. She thinks my tractor sexy. That was hot when I was in high school. But, uh, right? It was a banger. That, I used to love Buck Cherry.

• 18:35Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. Oh.

• 18:36Laci Mosley?

  You're a crazy bitch, but you look so good. I'm on top of it.

• 18:40Speaker 07

  Or he had that, he had that slow song. They played it at like one of my middle school dances where he's like, I'm savvy and bad.

• 18:49Speaker 07

  He kind of had it go. I mean, he had a moment. He had an absolute moment.

• 18:52Laci Mosley?

  He did. Buck Cherry had a true moment and I was into it. I won't lie. Uh, but yeah, so we also have to do jury duty, guys. So he, the, the officer on the phone with, uh, them explained that I could go to the sheriff's station only five minutes from my house and sign an affidavit stating that I had no knowledge of the second summons and pay a small fine. He told me that I need to stay on the phone while driving to the station. I've never heard no cop be like, all right, would stay on the line.

• 19:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, something's going on.

• 19:18Laci Mosley?

  Right. Maybe if you called 911, they'll tell you to stay on the line, but I don't ever feel like police just calling like, hey, it's me, Officer Dubad. Um, we need you to stay on the line. Like what?

• 19:30Speaker 07

  I think the cop is running a scam. There's something, I, I can't wait to hear where this goes.

• 19:35Laci Mosley?

  I know. That's where it's feeling like it's going to me. So this person got on hands free, Devonte, what'd you call him? Devonte, the, the?

• 19:43Speaker 07

  D'Artagnan.

• 19:44Laci Mosley?

  D'Artagnan.

• 19:45Speaker 07

  Why did I pick a complicated name? Like what is, why, what, what, what angle am I playing on that?

• 19:49Laci Mosley?

  Why did I immediately go to Devonte? No, D'Artagnan.

• 19:53Laci Mosley?

  So D'Artagnan says that she, uh, they put hands free on in the car and resumed the call, the phone call. When I arrived, I told him that I was parked in front and asked which door to enter through. He told me that I must have misunderstood and that I needed to pay the fine first. I asked, don't I pay that here at the station? He replied, no, you'll need to take care of that with a prepaid Visa, which you can purchase at any local Target, Walmart, and settle up.

• 20:17Speaker 07

  Now, now, now what cop do you know that's, that's gonna let you pay a fine in a Google Play gift card? Shut the hell up.

• 20:25Laci Mosley?

  Police been corrupt, so I don't know, bruh.

• 20:27Speaker 07

  Okay, well.

• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  I feel like if you gonna do this in any industry, you gotta pick the one with the least amount of ethics, which is policing.

• 20:34Speaker 07

  For sure, but don't you, I mean, I just feel like if I'm a dirty cop, I want like drugs and guns. I don't like, uh, an Applebee's gift card. Like, that doesn't really, this isn't really clicking for me.

• 20:45Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I need you to go get the Darden, the Darden gift card. You know, the one that go to Red Lobster and also go to Olive Garden? Get that Darden, okay? Otherwise, you going to jail for avoiding jury duty. If I can't have all you can eat breadsticks, you go have.

• 21:03Speaker 07

  Somebody's gonna pay, and it's gonna be you, because you'll be in jail for it. Now go down to the place and get the gift card.

• 21:10Laci Mosley?

  So, this, obviously, that's bizarre. So I realized that I had been duped. Now, just a loner in a parking lot of a sheriff's station laughing my ass off in the car. I have to admit that up until the big reveal, the scammer was on his A-game. He used all the appropriate lingo with charisma. I even told him that I wished all cops were as friendly as he was.

• 21:34Speaker 07

  All cops should be like you. Up until the scam, this was a delightful experience.

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, if cops would just run scams on people and stop killing them and terrorizing them, I'd be like, alright, I mean, we would take our loss here. They stopped hurting people. Now they just run cons, you know, it's fine.

• 21:51Speaker 07

  Right, I'm at a hundred bucks, but nobody got shot, that's okay.

• 21:53Laci Mosley?

  Right, I would take that. I would go with that. It's an improvement. So, at no point leading up to the Visa part, did I expect it to be fraudulent. Even my phone caller ID showed my county rather than the usual scam likely. I also realized the cop would never deliver a warrant notification over the phone. Duh. He got lucky to have called me, someone who had actually missed jury duty recently, therefore I was taken off guard. And then she does, they do say like, eventually I received the second summons, but it was shortly after I moved to a different county, blah, blah, blah. Um.

• 22:27Speaker 07

  I will say, it depends where you live, cuz I did, once in high school, I had, uh, the, uh, the like, school cop that we had, fucked up, came to, came to me in the hallway and was like, hey, you have a warrant out for your arrest. And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, did you get caught without car insurance? And I was like, oh, I didn't have my card on me, but I mailed them the proof after I got pulled over and I paid the ticket or whatever. And he was like, yeah, you still have to show up to court for that. And I was like, oh, I didn't know. And he was like, yeah, so you need to skip the next period and go down to the jail and like, pay bail and do the thing. So, he just like, came up to me and was like, oh, there's a warrant out for your arrest. But, that was a very small town.

• 23:04Laci Mosley?

  I was about to say, cuz what cop is just at the school running warrants, just on his off, his free time? He just running plates and shit, he must be bored.

• 23:13Speaker 07

  No, it was like, yeah, my, the town I grew up in was very small, but he, uh, and I knew him. Uh, Chillicothe, Missouri, north of Kansas City.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay, yes, small town. Okay, game, game.

• 23:25Speaker 07

  But yeah, Officer Mike just came, came through and was like, you have a warrant out for your arrest, you should probably go take care of that. And I was like, okay, cool. And then I just drove down there and was like, I walked into the sheriff's office and was like, hey, um, I have a warrant out for my arrest. And they were like, what? And then I told them the stuff and they were like, oh yeah, you can't just skip court. And I was like, you guys are not listening to me. I'm seventeen. I, no one, no one told me what was supposed to be happening.

• 23:48Laci Mosley?

  Right. They have to inform you of the judicial system, but I love how our judicial system just acts like, well, y'all know, y'all read the Constitution, right? Y'all read the laws?

• 23:57Speaker 07

  Like, we know anything. I got, I got pulled over the other day by a cop in LA, and he, he was, he gave me a ticket for texting and driving, which I was looking at my maps, cuz I don't know where the fuck I'm going, cuz the roads in LA are complicated and I'm not from there. But he gave me a ticket, and I was like, oh, do you know how much this is gonna be? And he was like, no. And I was like, oh, do I have to go to court for it? And he was like, I'm not sure. And I was like, what do you do, bitch? What is your job?

• 24:20Laci Mosley?

  What do you want me to do with this ticket then? Look, this is just vibes, I don't know, figure out how to pay it. Or don't and go to jail, it's not my problem.

• 24:27Speaker 07

  I'm bothered. He was, he was truly chilling, and I was like, alright, well, you just gave me a ticket, so I wish you knew what it meant.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. He was like, no, they just gave me this ticket book, and they told me start handing these out to the girls, so here I am.

• 24:40Speaker 07

  They say hit the girls and the gays with tickets, and that's what I'm doing. You look like, you okay, right?

• 24:45Laci Mosley?

  You were driving pretty gaily, so.

• 24:48Speaker 07

  Hey, and that's the truth. When you see me in LA in my Kia Soul, you will know, you will know.

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  Yes, not the Kia Soul, I'm weak. Lord Jesus. It's, I, when I lived in Miami, we had, I don't think they were real police, but we had, uh, like, security guards at the middle school. And, um, I remember this big, this girl named Lala, she threw a desk at me. And it was one of those desks with the chair attached.

• 25:21Speaker 07

  Oh my god, Lala. What did you do? I mean, not to victim blame, but did you do something to deserve it? Cuz that's a, I mean, that's like a big thing to throw.

• 25:30Laci Mosley?

  She was very strong. Um, I, I had a big mouth back then. Lala was tricking on me cuz I was a cheerleader. And I was like, I remember she said something sniffy to me, and I had a mouth. I used to use improv for evil. I used to just improv insults at people that I knew would hurt them, and I had to stop doing that, cuz I was very observant. But I was like, don't nobody care about you, Lala. If you fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, what am I give a fuck but you and your damn mama? And then she threw a desk at me.

• 25:59Speaker 07

  So, you know. Yeah, yeah, I think it definitely hit a, hit a nerve.

• 26:03Laci Mosley?

  I cut deep, I did. And I remember the security guards came and got us, and when I told them the story, they were like, fighting back laughter. They were like, that's wrong, Lacey, how could you say that?

• 26:16Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 26:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, gosh.

• 26:18Speaker 07

  There's this, there's this woman doing TikToks about, uh, she's a teacher and her students, like, she, she pretends to be her students fighting with each other and her trying not to get involved. I used to work with kids, and they would say, in Chicago, and they would say the funniest shit, but they were like, out of line. So I, I seriously would just be like, you guys have to stop. You guys have to quit. I mean, one of them called me, uh, Michelin Man looking ass, you know, that big tire.

• 26:44Laci Mosley?

  The tire man?

• 26:45Speaker 07

  And I was like, do you, I mean, through laughter, I was like, you're over. Like, you need to go to the office, I'm done with you right now. But it's fucking hilarious.

• 26:54Laci Mosley?

  Right, Mr. Heron, why you laughing? Why you laughing?

• 26:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, truly, truly, truly. How are you gonna discipline me while you're crying, while you're laughing tears?

• 27:03Laci Mosley?

  Right. And that's, I, I will say, shout out to Ms. Youngblood. I had a teacher, uh, last quick tangent before we move on. I had a teacher who, I, I wasn't until I became an adult, and I had friends who were teachers, that I really understood the plight of educators. Shout out to all the educators out there, God bless y'all. But I had a teacher who like, um, she, she was definitely a scammer. She would have like, contests, and like, if you won, you got to rub her shoulders for, uh, twenty minutes.

• 27:29Speaker 07

  Ah, I love her. I love her.

• 27:32Laci Mosley?

  That meant you didn't have to do no work, so we all wanted to rub Ms. Youngblood's shoulders. It was like, y'all gotta do no work if you win. And she was like, I guess it wasn't, it wasn't creepy, she only let girls do it. But, uh, so we were like, yes, Ms. Youngblood, we wanna rub your shoulders. And I remember I had this bully, her name was Nicole something, and she was such a bitch, and every day she would tease me, and she was racist. And I used to just let her rock, cuz I was like, I'm not gonna do this to this girl. And one day, I had had enough. I think I was doing a presentation or something, and she was making some snarky comments. And I guess I was a strong fifth grader, cuz I picked her up by the back of her pants and the top of her, like, the collar of her shirt, and I slid her across this desk.

• 28:16Speaker 07

  You, you grabbed her like, uh, like Uncle Phil used to grab Jeff and Jeff.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  I gave her the jazz. Sometimes you gotta give a bitch the jazz, and just toss that out, out, okay? I was tired of her shit. And I remember Ms. Youngblood was like, Lacey. And so she told me, she was like, go outside, right now. And then I went outside, and she was like, she came outside, she closed the door, she was like, hey, alright, I want you to just act like you got in trouble. Just chill out here for a little bit. I ain't gonna see you to the principal's office, cuz she deserved that shit.

• 28:51Speaker 07

  Ms. Youngblood, we love you. We stan.

• 28:54Laci Mosley?

  We stan Ms. Youngblood. She was, she was about justice, okay? It was like, she did deserve that. She been doing that shit for a while. I was, you know, you should've got her, it's cool. She was like laughing.

• 29:05Speaker 07

  If it wasn't you, it would've been me. If it wasn't you, it would've been me.

• 29:07Laci Mosley?

  That's what that shit was. She was, she was snarky to Ms. Youngblood, too. I think she was like, finally somebody got that little bitch, cuz I've been wanting to choke her ass every day. Ooh. Yes. So, guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements, and we'll be right back. Scams.

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• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  And we are back. And it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwigs. This is when I will regale Caleb with a famous caper con, group of criminals. Who knows what we're gonna get. And we'll get his opinions all throughout, which are gold. We're so excited to have them. So guys, today we'll talk about Jason Collier. Speaking of jail. So Jason Collier was the chief of the Stenit Police Department in Texas. He was put on leave after a woman accused him of living a double or triple life with at least two girlfriends, all while married with four children.

• 32:33Speaker 07

  Now, my very first question right off the bat is, how does fucking around on your wife get you put on leave from your job? I can't wait to find out.

• 32:42Laci Mosley?

  Right. Cause I'm just like, isn't that what a lot of people are doing?

• 32:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, that just sounds like some, that sounds like some Texas morality clause in the contract for employment type shit. This does not seem, this does not seem on the level. I don't, I don't like this.

• 32:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. I hope this is not in the morality clause, because certainly harassing and murdering people of color isn't. If they're like, oh, you killed that black guy who was unarmed, but you cheated on your wife, now you gotta go.

• 33:07Speaker 07

  That's too far. You gotta go.

• 33:09Laci Mosley?

  All wives matter. So.

• 33:13Speaker 07

  No, absolutely not. Merch, actually merch, merch for your pod.

• 33:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, we're gonna cancel. So Jason Brent Collier worked for several Texas police departments in numerous positions as an officer, detective, and briefly, the chief of police. Jason was named the Stenit Police Department Chief in February of 2020. Wow.

• 33:33Speaker 07

  Hmm, recent.

• 33:34Laci Mosley?

  Recent. Along with his work as a police officer, Jason was also on the board of Texas-based religious organization, Our Brothers Keeper, that focuses on police officers and other first responders.

• 33:49Laci Mosley?

  Okay, sure. So Jason was also married twice. He raised two children and stepchildren with his second wife, a woman named Opal. Opal, okay.

• 34:02Speaker 07

  Probably the weirdest thing I've heard so far is that this bitch's name is Opal.

• 34:11Laci Mosley?

  Bitch, how you gonna name me after a stone and not make it a precious one? Bitch, I can't be Pearl. I gotta be Opal. That's like, maybe your baby Tanzanite. That's not a good name.

• 34:21Speaker 07

  They named this bitch Granite. I'm so sick. Opal?

• 34:26Laci Mosley?

  That's a low budget ass name. You better name me Diamond, okay?

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  I don't want to be so Furic Rock. Like, what the fuck?

• 34:35Speaker 07

  Right. Get out of here.

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  So Jason's wife was also on the board of the organization. So here's his double life. Jason wanted more. So he made a dating profile on Plenty of Fish. Not you over here. Not you over here doing adultery on God's app.

• 34:56Speaker 07

  And also, the line, the line, Jason wanted more. Isn't that always how it starts, babe? I mean, you want too much and then it goes downhill. That's exactly how it goes.

• 35:04Laci Mosley?

  This is why you gotta keep your man busy. My momma always say, you gotta keep your, you gotta keep him busy and you gotta keep him spending. Okay? That's why that song is cheaper to keep or exist, because I'm gonna spend all your money so you can't, you can't afford a new bitch.

• 35:19Speaker 07

  To go spend it on someone else. Okay, yeah. I support that.

• 35:22Laci Mosley?

  All right, I'll spend you down to your last, so you can't go nowhere. So you need gas money when you get on Tinder.

• 35:32Speaker 07

  Someone will fall for it. I know they will.

• 35:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. So his profile said, looking for friendship, then more from there. Not looking for a hookup. Well, it's Plenty of Fish. I thought this was a Jesus app. They over there, they over there hooking up in Jesus's name?

• 35:47Speaker 07

  Is Plenty of Fish a Jesus app? I didn't know this.

• 35:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because the fish is like the sign for if you're a Christian, they used to draw that shit in the sand or whatever and be like, I love Jesus, don't tell nobody.

• 35:59Speaker 07

  Can you keep a secret?

• 36:02Laci Mosley?

  I love Jesus.

• 36:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, on the Christian app, I'm not here for a hookup. Is anybody? I mean, I guess there are a lot of freaky Christians. I will say that. I will say that about them.

• 36:10Laci Mosley?

  You can get your ass tapped in his name.

• 36:13Speaker 07

  You absolutely can. You absolutely can. I've seen it before and I'll see it again.

• 36:16Laci Mosley?

  And I'll see it again. Yes, absolutely. So he said he's looking for sincere conversation, building trust and relationship first. And he's looking forward to hearing from you.

• 36:31Speaker 07

  It's more, it's more fucked up that he wasn't just looking for sex. Like this, this need, like that he's on there being like, I'm looking for someone I can settle down with. Go take care of your family. What are you talking about?

• 36:41Laci Mosley?

  You got a whole wife, you got a hella kids, and you looking for a deep conversation? What?

• 36:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, I hate that. I don't like that.

• 36:50Laci Mosley?

  I don't like that at all. And also, like, I'm on the dating apps. It's trash. And I just have to say, men's dating profiles are fucking awful. You can tell who's been on a dating app for too long. This is a word of advice. If your dating profile, men, women, non-binary, whatever, if it's got complaints about the app in it, you've been on the app for too long.

• 37:07Speaker 07

  Too long. Or instructions. I can't stand the instructions. People who's, people who's bio are like, don't say hello to me, be creative. Six, three, not into this type of guys. Ask me if I want to go on a date, let's go to these three. Like these bios that have instructions. I'm like, are we having fun? Or do I work for you? Like, what's going on?

• 37:24Laci Mosley?

  Bitch, this is hinge. Not indeed. Like, I ain't get on monster.com. You want a cover letter, bitch? To fuck?

• 37:31Speaker 07

  I didn't sign up for a career fair. I'm gonna get laid a little bit. Like, what is going on?

• 37:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. It'd be like that. Or like, oh, don't, don't match with me if you don't plan a message. No ghosting. Real women only. Don't hit me up if you just want a free meal. It's like, okay, so you are bitter and I need you to go to therapy, because this is not for you. You sound like Matt James.

• 37:49Speaker 07

  This is how you're starting off. I haven't even met you. I don't know. I hadn't even had time to read your name.

• 37:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. But you got hella requests. So basically, a month later, okay, so, okay. So through the app, he met Cecily Steinmetz. Ooh, that's the name, Steinmetz. I just like the Z at the end. Who lived in Amarillo. It's Amarillo to Texas, but I say Amarillo.

• 38:14Speaker 07

  Amarillo.

• 38:15Laci Mosley?

  Amarillo. She lived in Amarillo. And that November in 2020, he proposed to her. November, now, were we in the Ponderosa in November? No, we didn't get there till March. We didn't get there till March. Okay.

• 38:27Speaker 07

  No, November 2020?

• 38:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Oh, we were in the Pantene Pro. Oh, we have been there for a minute.

• 38:33Speaker 07

  We were in the probiotic, absolutely.

• 38:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Ooh, and the gut health was not good. So, and one month later, he, oh, wait. So he met this girl, right? This is Cecily. He met her in November 2020. And honestly, Cecily, I'm not mad at you, because you was probably like, damn, I've been locked up in the house, ain't had no type of dick, you know, just trying to stay alive. We understand. Right. We're proud of you, sis. Get your dick. And one month later, he also proposed to a Kansas woman named Christie Schaefer. The woman believed that each of them were in monogamous relationships. So he's with Cecily. He's also with Christie. And then he also has a wife.

• 39:14Speaker 07

  He's the, this Mambo number five ass life that he's living is really gonna come back to haunt.

• 39:20Laci Mosley?

  He's literally doing the whole Freaka League song. If you know, you know.

• 39:25Laci Mosley?

  So getting caught in receipts. January 18th, Cecily posted a Facebook photo with Jason. Ooh, Facebook will get you in charrobo with the aunties, okay? Because the aunties live for a Facebook post. The comments on the photo start out with typical messages from friends. Someone wrote, beautiful couple, heart, heart. But on January 25th, Cecily commented on her own post, oh, hey, might want to make sure mutual friends don't know your wife.

• 39:54Laci Mosley?

  So Cecily posted on her own post.

• 39:58Speaker 07

  She came to her own comments.

• 40:00Laci Mosley?

  Her own comments.

• 40:02Speaker 07

  That is wild.

• 40:04Laci Mosley?

  Right. So Cecily confronted Jason about being married, and he tried to play it off by saying his marriage was annulled in 2016. She said, he even provided me with a picture of falsified document, which I have verified to be invalid. Damn. So he got a fake annulment document? He is a cop. He probably got access to paperwork. Let's see this fake annulment document.

• 40:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, okay.

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so it says, notice this document contains sensitive data, case number. And then he wrote it, he wrote it all in pen. I feel like a Norman, don't they just, they don't write this, they don't type this up?

• 40:40Speaker 07

  This doesn't seem legit. It looks too small. I mean, he did a one-page annulment. I feel like it would have to be bigger than that. It doesn't look normal. And it also looks, now, hold on. Why is it all written in the same handwriting?

• 40:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, the judge didn't have to do nothing? Or the court? It's all his handwriting.

• 41:00Speaker 07

  Right. And are those signature? I guess that's just writing out the name, so that could have been the same person. It's fishy. I would have definitely made it as a fake as well.

• 41:08Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it was cute, though, because he put like a little copy, little stamp on the corner and, you know.

• 41:14Speaker 07

  He did the paperwork fake. Absolutely. I fake some paperwork in my life. And the copy's a good one. I mean, it's, it's, he used, he used little boxes for checking. He used the box format, bullet points. He did what needed to be done, I guess, in some ways.

• 41:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he did what he had to do. It's kind of cute. You know, we always say you gotta be good at Photoshop and falsifying documents over here, okay? I'm especially good at falsifying obituaries, because that's how I got out of.

• 41:44Laci Mosley?

  That was like a sick ass capitalistic thing they used to do in college. If you're like, oh, I can't make this exam. Well, somebody died. They'd be like, you gotta bring in the obituaries. Like, bitch, what? Why?

• 41:53Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. I see. That to me is so, if you're, look, at that point, also, people who gave a grade, grades for attendance in college in general, it's just like, why do you care? If I turn in the assignments, if I do the test, if I'm like proving that I have the knowledge, then go away.

• 42:11Laci Mosley?

  Your ego just needs me to sit in here and listen to you pontificate at length when I don't need to. Like, get the fuck out of here. Also, how fucking morbid is it that I have to turn in a damn, oh, bitch, where like, bitch, would you want me to take a selfie by the casket? Like, let me and put today's newspaper next to it. So I know why you missed the exam. Bitch, what?

• 42:27Speaker 07

  Hold up the number two. Hold up the number two and a newspaper. I want to see it.

• 42:31Laci Mosley?

  Give you specific instructions. What am I, an inch?

• 42:37Laci Mosley?

  So another woman, damn, so he then brought up these little documents and tried to play it off, right? So she found out the documents were fake. This is Cecily. So another woman, Christie, remember, then commented, damn, they all friends on Facebook? God damn. Then commented and said that she had also been dating Jason. So I'm guessing like, this is a messy Facebook thing where you know, if you get tagged in a photo, even if you don't follow the person that tagged the photo, you can still see the photo. So Jason, why you ain't untagged? Cause that means that Christie was on your Facebook and saw this photo.

• 43:09Speaker 07

  Right. So now Christie from Kansas knows that the scam is on as well. This is really messy.

• 43:14Laci Mosley?

  And Christie said they have been gay, engaged since December 2020. Now.

• 43:20Speaker 07

  He proposed to the other girl in November.

• 43:23Laci Mosley?

  Now, did this only work because we were in a pandemic? Cause I'm like, y'all, how you engaged to somebody and you don't, obviously you can't see them every night because he got a wife and a girl, another girlfriend. So are you engaged and you see this dude like once every two weeks? I am confusion.

• 43:39Speaker 07

  You know, this is the thing though, is I, this happens all, I know this kind of stuff happens all the time outside of the panini. And I think it's because people are fucking lonely, capital L, and they will just convince themselves of anything. He'll be like, I need to go, I need to be on the road for work for three months. He's a cop. It doesn't, you don't really go on the road. I mean, people are just like, sounds good.

• 43:59Laci Mosley?

  Police tour. You know, they doing a lot of Black Lives Matter in up in DC. So we gonna be up there on tour.

• 44:06Speaker 07

  Right. Protesting alongside them as friends and compatriots.

• 44:09Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 44:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.

• 44:13Laci Mosley?

  So then, wow, Jason's girlfriend started to compare stories about him, including videos, photos and excuses. He made an attempt to cover his tracks while cheating on everyone involved. Cecily and Christie commented that they would say he was, he would say he was working on special police assignments, just like you said, Kayla. He said he was, he was at Police Palooza.

• 44:35Speaker 07

  He was at, he was at a police conference on, uh, how to violate people's rights and he just could not be around.

• 44:42Laci Mosley?

  Efficiently, you know, do you want to violate more people's rights a day? Are you only doing like five violations a day? You want to step it up?

• 44:49Speaker 07

  Right. We gotta get through these.

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  It's so funny that you mentioned protests because he also said that he would be at protests in Portland or the aftermath of Christmas Day in downtown Nashville, that bombing that happened. Cecily wrote, wow, the weekend of the 16th, he told me he was in Lubbock helping his disabled brother. Christie replied, wait, his brother is disabled? Nope. We were in Wichita. He broke his window at my home. And he went to get it fixed. What?

• 45:17Speaker 07

  No.

• 45:18Laci Mosley?

  So did he break, did he smash a window in his old car?

• 45:22Speaker 07

  He said, he said, he said, I gotta get out of here and she's not going for anything. And then he took a tire under the window and said, fuck, I gotta go get that fixed. Then he bought himself two weeks on the road.

• 45:32Laci Mosley?

  Right. So Cecily and Christie also both discovered that Jason had bought each of them the same gift, a coffee maker. Wow, must've been getting them on sale. Suddenly a third woman came forward to say that she was also dating Jason too, as well. In addition to Angie Bowman, posted on the city of Stenness Facebook page, oh, she posted on the city page.

• 45:55Speaker 07

  Angie said, enough. I'm going straight to the source. I want to know other women, if you can see this, come on. She's trying to collect, she's trying to, she's trying to make a book club out of it.

• 46:04Laci Mosley?

  Right. She said, y'all, come on over here. Who, who gonna bring the hors d'oeuvres? I got the wine. We about to start a sorority. Jason's girls.

• 46:13Speaker 07

  Fucking Jason. Jason's girls, exactly.

• 46:16Laci Mosley?

  So then she, she went straight to the point and blew that shit up. Angie's son Brett added more in the Facebook group dedicating to Jason's many girlfriends. He said, my mother was dating, in a dating relationship with Jason Collier in 2007. Jason claimed that his wife and the mother of his three-year-old daughter was dead. Jason said that he had a crazy ex-girlfriend who turned out to be his wife, who was not dead. Mother, my mother met his entire family and they did not say a word about his current wife or the involvement.

• 46:45Speaker 07

  Not the family being in on it. I, you know what, though? I have to say, I really respect the family for that. They're like, you know what?

• 46:51Laci Mosley?

  That's a good family.

• 46:52Speaker 07

  Jason's doing what he's doing. Let him be. Everyone just keep your mouth shut.

• 46:57Laci Mosley?

  That's a good family. My family's like that. You bring somebody around, we know that that's your wife. Like, we gonna talk cash shit when she leave. We gonna be like, oh my God, here he go again. Oh.

• 47:09Laci Mosley?

  But in front of you, we gonna be like, oh, it's so nice to meet you. I heard so much about you. What is your name?

• 47:14Speaker 07

  Right, right, right. My family, my family would not. My family would absolutely blow it up on the spot. They would be like, and who is this? And who is this now? And where is, and where's your wife and children, I wonder?

• 47:26Laci Mosley?

  Wow, that's good for your family. I like that they're ethical. My family's all about the grift. They're like, we don't know.

• 47:32Speaker 07

  I wish they weren't. I wish they weren't because someday I could be trying to pull off a scam. You never know. I might, I might have 17 girlfriends.

• 47:39Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 47:39Speaker 07

  There'd be more than one scam going on if I, if I had 17 girlfriends.

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Have I been in situations where I knew someone was married and they were not with their partner? Absolutely.

• 47:48Speaker 07

  Absolutely. You have to. Sometimes it's that way. Sometimes it goes that way.

• 47:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. I was like, well, I'm gonna pray for y'all. Like, what am I supposed to do? Did I cheat, police? I'm not a police officer.

• 47:59Speaker 07

  Right.

• 47:59Laci Mosley?

  Ain't, ain't no badge. So another woman, damn, not another woman. We are at quintuple life now. Cause they says, what we say, double, triple life? This is, I feel like we're at five. Cause who we got?

• 48:14Speaker 07

  Christie, Cicely, Angie, and then the wife would make four, right?

• 48:19Laci Mosley?

  Freakily. Yeah, that's four. Cause we got, cause we got Christie, Cecily, Anna, and then now we got Heather.

• 48:30Speaker 07

  Oh, we have Heather?

• 48:31Laci Mosley?

  So Heather, yeah, Heather Owen, she's pulling up to the party as well. Another woman, Heather Owen, posted photos with Jason and shared other details. Yep, same thing. Didn't propose, but kept telling me he loved me. Was talking about the future, moving away to Wyoming. Oh, what a dream.

• 48:48Laci Mosley?

  Y'all gonna live next to Kanye?

• 48:50Speaker 07

  Right. He's gonna take you to Jackson Hole. What's going on?

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  What's going on?

• 48:52Speaker 07

  This is not exciting. He's got other girlfriends. You need to check it out. Get on the Facebook page.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  Moving to Wisconsin. It's so tropical there.

• 49:02Laci Mosley?

  He portrayed himself as a Christian man, would pray for our relationship and future. Well, he did need to pray for it because, uh, God was not involved.

• 49:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, intervention was gonna be needed because this is not gonna work out just with, uh, without, without God's help. This was not gonna go over.

• 49:18Laci Mosley?

  Right. He had, had me thinking that I had found Mr. Perfect. So a friend of mine seen me fall hard and fast for this guy, decided to do some digging on him. I called him out on his marriage and he sent me the same BS annulment papers. Damn, he was circulating them papers.

• 49:33Speaker 07

  Right. And honestly, I will say he's doing something kind of smart, which is when you're lying to multiple people, you, you want to use the same annulment papers. You want to get them the same gifts. You want to have the same disabled brother in the story. Cause then you won't get tripped up on your own lie. That's pretty smart.

• 49:47Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Like we talk about a lie journal, guys, right? Yeah. Yeah. You can write down your thoughts and mental health stuff and helpful things. You can also write down your lies. So you can keep up with them, you know? Memorize them. So, yeah, he's, he's, he's got a good story going here and I'm proud of him. Cecily later added more to the Facebook page. He took me on shift. Wait. Oh, so he took me out on a shift with him last night and last week as well, but wouldn't introduce me to the ladies in his office since according to him, they're bitches and one is mad. I won't date her sister. The jig is up, Jason. Okay. Can we see a picture of Jason? Cause he better be sexy.

• 50:24Speaker 07

  Yeah. If he's not hot, I'm gonna be real pissed off.

• 50:26Laci Mosley?

  But there is a joke about Texas girls and it's also a meme, and I can say this because I am from Texas, that Texas women will date ugly ass men.

• 50:35Speaker 07

  Right. Oh, no.

• 50:39Speaker 07

  Oh, no. Not this. Not this. Oh, not this.

• 50:46Laci Mosley?

  No, not this thin blue line hat.

• 50:48Speaker 07

  Not this, not the sporty Oakley sunglasses, not him looking like Lurch. Not anything but this.

• 50:56Laci Mosley?

  You know what though? In Amarillo, times are hard, you know? The fine men are slim to none. So what you gonna do?

• 51:05Speaker 07

  You know what? He might, yeah, he might be the sexiest man in, in Amarillo. Who knows?

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  He's the hottest guy in Amarillo.

• 51:11Speaker 07

  He really could be people's sexiest, people's sexiest cop in Amarillo.

• 51:16Laci Mosley?

  They have a calendar. It's just him. He's on 12 months.

• 51:19Speaker 07

  Right.

• 51:20Laci Mosley?

  Lord Jesus. So the aftermath, January 28th, Jason was arrested and booked in Hutchinson County Jail. Arrested.

• 51:30Speaker 07

  Now, for what?

• 51:31Laci Mosley?

  For what?

• 51:33Speaker 07

  For, I mean, this is Texas though. I'm not from there. You are, you could tell me. I, I do imagine that cheating is a crime in Texas.

• 51:39Laci Mosley?

  It is definitely not. And I'm like, they got some old blue laws, but you know, they don't enforce those. You can't get a fish drunk. But you know, that's kind of hard depending on how much water the fish is in. What am I talking about?

• 51:51Speaker 07

  Right, right, right.

• 51:52Laci Mosley?

  I've never tried.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  So he was charged with tampering with a government record. Oh, so it is snitched about the enormous papers with the intent to defraud and harm because of the false enormous, uh, enormous papers, which uh, is basically a felony. Wow.

• 52:11Speaker 07

  Oh, see, and he would know that, too. That's crazy that he was doing all this knowing that it was a crime.

• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  So according to Texas state law, if convicted, he faces a hundred and eighty days to two years behind bars and a fine up to ten thousand dollars. That feels excessive to me. Now, I'm not about to be out here standing for the popo, but for sending a fake document that he never sent to the government, he just sent it to other women.

• 52:37Speaker 07

  Right. And also they're like with the intent to harm and defraud. It's like, he wasn't like i- i- engaging them in a business deal. They wanted dick and needed to feel comfortable about it. Is it cool? No. Should he go to jail for two years? Not for this. He should go to jail for being a cop. He shouldn't go to jail for, for uh, getting creative in his dating life.

• 52:57Laci Mosley?

  But I will have an I may destroy you moment and say that sex under false pretenses is considered assault. So.

• 53:05Speaker 07

  But then, exactly. But then charge him for assault. Like, if that's the angle we're going with, you know what I mean? Like.

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  Not like you sent a fake paper. Like, that's not what we're, we're really pressed about. Yeah. So his wife, Opal, has filed for divorce, according to her attorneys. Well, girl, I don't know, dig up that papers, because he done already did the filing for you. This ought to be easy.

• 53:25Speaker 07

  Right. Half of it's already done. Go find those.

• 53:28Laci Mosley?

  So Jason sent an apology video to Cecily saying, he feels like the biggest piece of shit, and he didn't mean to hide anything or lie. How do you not mean to hide anything or lie? Were you making up whole fake? You sat in front of your computer and constructed lies. I would say that's intentional. Let's see, we got a video from old Jason right now. It's what, he is not fine.

• 53:48Speaker 07

  Oh, no. We're gonna get to see it.

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Hey, sorry. I just, I just feel like the biggest piece of shit.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  So, sorry.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Didn't mean to hide anything or lie to you.

• 54:07Laci Mosley?

  Jason.

• 54:09Speaker 07

  He's, he's doing the, he's doing the I'm sorry voice even. He's getting, he's getting that fake cry in. Oh.

• 54:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. He's trying to, he is trying to keep his eyes open so he can get some water going.

• 54:19Speaker 07

  Right, right, right.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Just want you to forgive me.

• 54:23Laci Mosley?

  He's still doing police work.

• 54:26Speaker 07

  He's in the car ignoring calls.

• 54:29Laci Mosley?

  Right. They were like, we gotta, we gotta shoot out on Third Street. He's like, I'm sorry, boo. I'm sorry.

• 54:36Speaker 07

  He's absolutely ignoring a house fire right now. He's just like, I cannot believe what I did to you. He's trying to turn off the, he's like, how do I shut the fucking volume off on this?

• 54:46Laci Mosley?

  Right. They're like, uh, Officer Jason Collier, we have a baby stuck in a tree, hanging by one branch. He's like.

• 54:52Speaker 07

  Sorry, I can't get the volume off on this shit. Um, anyway, I never meant to lie. That's so funny.

• 54:58Laci Mosley?

  I think you did mean to lie. I think you did.

• 55:01Speaker 07

  When you opened up Photoshop and sat in there for a couple, and you know it took him hours, because this is not a man who's, who's good with tech.

• 55:07Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 55:08Speaker 07

  So you know he sat in there for hours, uh, planning his defraudment. This guy.

• 55:12Laci Mosley?

  Talk about added me to just be honest. I would appreciate it if people would stop. People are too obsessed with looking like good people and not obsessed enough with being good people. And so it's like, if you do some fuck shit, just be like, okay, I wanted to date you, your homegirl too, and my wife, and you know, I got a little carried away. Uh, like, just be honest. You definitely lied. Like, you got paperwork lies. Those are real lies. So Cecily posted on Facebook, and Cecily and Christie later said that they experienced a form of love bombing, which is a really dark, like, manipulative technique, um, that you'll see. And if you don't know what love bombing is, it's when someone overwhelms you with loving words, actions, or behavior as a manipulation technique. So typically, and this is something to watch out for y'all, because it is a scam, love bombing. If you

• 55:56Laci Mosley?

  meet somebody and they're automatically like, flying you out, buying you gifts, texting you all day long, like, really blowing you up. I know that can feel good, but the chances of that person being a love bomber are really, really high, which means they'll blow you up until they get you comfortable in the relationship, and then they'll be completely fucking cold to you.

• 56:15Speaker 07

  Right. And you have to ask yourself, too, with people like that, that it's like, because you know, you're probably thinking, oh, they're cute, they're funny, they're interesting, they have a good job. Now, if all of these things are true, you're probably not the only person who's into them. So what is it about you that's making, like, your willingness to be flown out at the last minute, your willingness to like, let them win you over so quickly? It's like, you gotta, you gotta think, like, why is that attractive to them? Couldn't they do this with somebody in their own city?

• 56:42Laci Mosley?

  Right. And also that it's not sane behavior. It's okay to have high self-esteem and be like, look, as long as I fall in love with me immediately, I'm like, that's fine. I could see that.

• 56:50Speaker 07

  Right, right, right, right, yeah.

• 56:51Laci Mosley?

  Caleb, I think you can see it as well. You're like, you know, I am wonderful, I'm cute, and you got dimples. Okay, so you know, the girls may, they may fall fast and hard, but my thing is, is like, it's just not normal behavior, because any sane, discerning person wants to get to know the person that they're dating. You know what I mean?

• 57:09Speaker 07

  Right. It's weird. If anyone, if anyone ever approached me, well, okay, if anyone my age, because I guess older gay men really do talk to me this way, but if anyone my age, older gay men, man, well, it's actually kind of sad. I don't really want to go in on them, but um.

• 57:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 57:22Speaker 07

  You know, because they, they, I mean.

• 57:24Laci Mosley?

  They're trying to get a little tenderoni.

• 57:26Speaker 07

  They're trying to get something going. I mean, it is late in the game. We are in the fourth quarter and the clock is ticking, right? So if a, if a cute guy my age hit me up and was like, I want to fly you to where I live. Well, first of all, I'd be like, I'll fly myself. But.

• 57:40Laci Mosley?

  You would? You're not trying to get flued out, Caleb? I don't know. I'm gonna get flued out. I'm gonna get flued out. You gotta have a return ticket, no future, but.

• 57:48Speaker 07

  There we go. Exactly. But if some guy was like, I want to fly you out tomorrow, I'd be like, I have a life. Are you out of your mind? Nobody's hot enough. Nobody's hot enough.

• 57:57Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 57:59Speaker 07

  Nobody's hot enough.

• 58:00Laci Mosley?

  Nobody. Nobody. Caleb, why are you lying?

• 58:06Speaker 07

  Look, to, to, to drop everything and let them have that control? I don't know.

• 58:11Laci Mosley?

  If Drake was like, come out right now, I would probably have to, I would, Drake?

• 58:16Speaker 07

  Drake? What are we talking about?

• 58:19Laci Mosley?

  The one who's had his kid from the world and his kid from the sun in the world? Drake? I know Drake is corny, but I still have a thing for him. If he was like, come get flued out, I might be, okay, well, I do work under contract, so I can't just be, I guess I can't just.

• 58:31Speaker 07

  Well, okay, so here we go. This is exactly what I'm talking about. So there we go. So it all comes out then. So there's nobody then.

• 58:38Laci Mosley?

  Come on now. I would, I would eat some wings in an Atlanta strip club with Drake on a Thursday afternoon. Why not? It's called living.

• 58:46Speaker 07

  I mean, there are a lot of hot people out there. I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to see. You know what? If you're a hot, if you're a hot guy listening to this and you're into me, call me and we'll see what, we'll see what's.

• 58:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. Try to fly Caleb out and let's see if he says yes or no. I need, I need a real world example. So Senate Police Department's Facebook page and Collier's personal profile have been deleted. Damn, they deleted the whole, the police department Facebook page? God damn.

• 59:14Speaker 07

  That's honestly kind of iconic. We should get more cops to do adultery if this is where it's headed.

• 59:18Laci Mosley?

  Right. They were like, all right, well, LAPD HQ is now deleted. We no longer will be taking tweets. We'll no longer be covering up cop murders with fun tweets.

• 59:28Speaker 07

  We're out of here. Y'all, y'all brought too much drama to the space, so we're leaving.

• 59:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. Oh, y'all so messy. Isn't us? I don't know. So, so the page posted that the city is taking this seriously and will be looking into any violations of police policy. Chief Jason Collier has been placed on leave while the city investigates. As per city policy, we will refrain from commending or commenting on any personal issues of personnel in the public forum. One Facebook group said, said Jason Collier Netflix series, and it has more than thirty-four thousand members. Wow. Um, it's gone now, but they, I guess, made a Facebook page where they were pitching this as a Netflix series. I would like to see it. I just want to know how he kept it up.

• 1:00:12Speaker 07

  I'll watch it. You can believe that.

• 1:00:14Laci Mosley?

  And the situation has even inspired a song. And we have a clip of this song. It ain't Texas if you don't make a song about some adultery. Let me hear some of that song. Not, uh, uh, not with this guitar. So who's singing this song? The Ballad of Jason Collier.

• 1:00:31Speaker 07

  Not doing this in his guest bedroom either.

• 1:00:37Speaker 07

  Jason Collier.

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  Jason Collier was the chief of police.

• 1:00:44Speaker 07

  Way down in St. Louis, Texas.

• 1:00:46Laci Mosley?

  Down in St. Louis.

• 1:00:48Speaker 07

  This don't seem to believe.

• 1:00:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Speaker 07

  Jason had a secret.

• 1:00:55Laci Mosley?

  Ow, ow, ow, bruh.

• 1:00:56Speaker 07

  That he kept from his wife.

• 1:00:58Laci Mosley?

  Pop, pop, pop, bruh.

• 1:00:59Speaker 07

  And all four of his children.

• 1:01:02Laci Mosley?

  Gang, gang, gang.

• 1:01:03Speaker 07

  He led a secret life, a secret life. Here we go. Jump, jump, jump.

• 1:01:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:01:10Speaker 07

  Get down real low.

• 1:01:11Laci Mosley?

  Secret life that he kept from his wife. Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 07

  This isn't, this isn't good and it's not creative.

• 1:01:18Laci Mosley?

  All right, we can stop it. Um, you know, if you let me do some ad libs in the back, if I get some

• 1:01:26Speaker 07

  It's giving me nothing, you know, the song is like.

• 1:01:29Laci Mosley?

  It is giving nothing. It needs some Migos ad libs in the back. To his wife?

• 1:01:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It needs something. It needs something because right now it's giving, it's giving negative. It's actually taking.

• 1:01:39Laci Mosley?

  Kajupo life. Let me get, let me hop on that track. Let me hop on that track. See what I can do. Wow. But you know what? That means that this probably was like a really fun scandal for the town. I'm actually really happy for the town because it's probably dry out there in St. Louis. And they were like, yes, 34,000 people in a Facebook group. They were really trying to get a Netflix series.

• 1:02:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. And they, I think they, it would be like media representation for them. You know what I mean? Like it would be like we, to see ourselves, not just because, I mean, if they just want to see white people on TV, they could do that. But they want to see, they want to see like Texas adulterer. That's not something you see every day.

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. I'm like, if you want to see white people on TV, you just turn the TV on and they will be there.

• 1:02:20Speaker 07

  Walk down the street and it's playing on, it's playing on the bill.

• 1:02:23Laci Mosley?

  Even on BET, you turn BET on, you still gonna see some white people within the first 30, 40 seconds?

• 1:02:30Speaker 07

  Are you?

• 1:02:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:02:32Speaker 07

  I would love to be like, one of my biggest dreams is that they would reboot in living color and let me be the stupid white guy.

• 1:02:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, you would kill that.

• 1:02:42Speaker 07

  I just get dunked on in every sketch. I just play like a stupid mechanic or I, I would just love that. I think that would be a blast.

• 1:02:48Laci Mosley?

  I would love that for you. I would love that for you.

• 1:02:51Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 1:02:53Laci Mosley?

  So Jason, uh, no word on yet if he's going to the clink for all of his, uh, wife fraud. But, um, you know, shout out to,

• 1:03:04Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if I can shout him out. Fucking crook.

• 1:03:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you said, shout out to the police. Shout out to our men in blue.

• 1:03:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 1:03:11Speaker 07

  Thank you guys so much. It's a pro police pod. Shout out to the cops.

• 1:03:16Laci Mosley?

  Could you fucking imagine? I will say, I have been tempted to get one of those thin blue eyes stickers on my car. I'm like, do they not pull you over as much if you get that? If you're like, I'm down for racism against me.

• 1:03:27Speaker 07

  I stopped. I stopped. In college, I had political like leftist stickers all over my car and I stopped doing that shit. Cause I got made fun of at the mechanic. Cops were mean to me. I was like, I was like, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut as far as my car goes.

• 1:03:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, when them coexist stickers?

• 1:03:44Speaker 07

  Right. It's not gonna work. It's not for me. It's not for me, Bernie. I'm sorry. I can't have your sticker around anymore, babe.

• 1:03:49Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm not trying to get keyed. You know, I support you, but I don't want my car keyed. That's fair. All right, guys. Well, that brings us to the saddest part of the show. We'll be back after some non-scam advertisements and then I'll have to let Caleb go. Robbery. 911, what's your emergency?

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• 1:06:29Laci Mosley?

  And fraud. Caleb, we're back. This is the saddest part of the show. Scammer of the week. It's fun, but I have to let you go after this. So scammer of the week, guys, is where we highlight one charlatan that we think is worthy of our praise or not. We will see. But, um, this is 37-year-old Ladonna Wiggins. Love the name. Love a Ladonna.

• 1:06:49Speaker 07

  Okay, Ladonna. Okay, Ladonna.

• 1:06:50Laci Mosley?

  She's also from Texas, Houston, Texas, the rich part. Y'all know how I feel about Houston, Texas. I'm from Dallas. Um, she's accused of buying dozens of luxury items using CARES act money. According to a statement, Wiggins submitted two paycheck protection PPE loan applications and received more than $3.6 million. What?

• 1:07:13Speaker 07

  What?

• 1:07:15Laci Mosley?

  I thought this was gonna say 3.6 thousand. 3.6 million?

• 1:07:20Speaker 07

  The government. I mean, good for her already. I'll say good for her already.

• 1:07:24Laci Mosley?

  Like what's so upsetting is like how many unhoused people we could give homes to with this kind of money. But we're like, oh, you have a business? Okay. We won't look into that. Cause.

• 1:07:35Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:07:37Laci Mosley?

  We're too lazy.

• 1:07:38Speaker 07

  That's crazy. 3.6 million is crazy.

• 1:07:41Laci Mosley?

  Allegedly Wiggins used the money to make personal purchases, including two homes, multiple vehicles and luxury goods. The Justice Department lists some of the purchases at nearly $725,000 for homes in Katy and Cypress. You can get a good home for that kind of money in Texas, honey. $78,000 for a 2020 Land Rover. Ow, skr, skr. $63,000 at Chanel. That's very easy to do. It's like eight bags. Like, well, no, it's like, it's like we'll get a solid 17 bags for 63 grand.

• 1:08:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:17Laci Mosley?

  Good for you. Um, and then $46,000 at Neiman Marcus and $14,000 at Apple. If convicted, Wiggins faces up to 30 years in federal prison and possible $1 million maximum fine.

• 1:08:30Speaker 07

  Don't send her to prison. I mean, just take, just take all the shit away from her, charge her some money, like prison. I mean, God, we have so much worse shit going on than stealing from the government. I just feel like I'm really happy for her. And oh, you know what? For a moment, she was living really large. I bet it was iconic to be running around buying everybody's meals. I bet she was having a lot of fun. I'm happy for her.

• 1:08:50Laci Mosley?

  Right. 63K at Chanel. That's popping. You know, that's.

• 1:08:54Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Laci Mosley?

  On the debit card, you're a boss bitch. But also my thing is, is like, she got too greedy. Like you didn't think the government was gonna miss 3.6 million?

• 1:09:04Speaker 07

  Right. You should have done less. Absolutely. You should have done less.

• 1:09:07Laci Mosley?

  I'm sure there are people who did less PPE who were getting away with it because they're trying to get like, also the government, like who are y'all? Why are y'all giving $3.6 million to a small business? What?

• 1:09:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, what small business in Texas was gonna make 3.6 million anyway? Like, what were you thinking? That's crazy. Small business?

• 1:09:27Laci Mosley?

  Small business.

• 1:09:28Speaker 07

  3.6 million? No, I don't think so. No, no.

• 1:09:29Laci Mosley?

  I know, that's at least an extra medium business. It's not a small business.

• 1:09:33Speaker 07

  Right. You're not doing 3.6 million in profit, presumably more to for the government to give you 3.6 million.

• 1:09:40Laci Mosley?

  As a subsidy.

• 1:09:42Speaker 07

  To me, yeah, presumes that you were projected to or expected to make even more than that. That's not a small business.

• 1:09:48Laci Mosley?

  No, it's quite, quite a lot. Also, I'm just like, girl, like, you couldn't just get 100K and chill? Like, you need to get the, I can't even imagine getting checks for 3.6 million dollars from the government and being like, let me go put this in my bank account. What?

• 1:10:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, I would have absolutely. You know, if I was gonna scam that same scam, I would get $500,000 and I would just buy a house in like Missouri. And then I would just chill out. And then if, you know, if you get charged for that, that's like, maybe what, like, a lot less time in jail, probably because of the scale of it.

• 1:10:17Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely. But I mean, at the end of the day, all government funds are our crowdsourced money, which is why I really want to eliminate the phrase government handouts. The government ain't giving nobody shit. They took that shit from you. So you ought to want them to give it back to people who don't have as much as you so that those people aren't suffering. And also maybe so your neighborhood can be safer because they don't feel the need to steal because they have things like.

• 1:10:41Speaker 07

  Right, it's our money.

• 1:10:43Laci Mosley?

  It's our money.

• 1:10:44Speaker 07

  It's our money. And the only thing about taxes that ever makes me mad, you know, it's kind of funny because I've been thinking about this a lot lately, actually. Because when I was growing up in Missouri, all the like Republicans I knew that were adults would be like, I would be like, I'm a Democrat. You know, I'm like 15, of course, I don't know what I'm talking about. But they're like, when you get a job, you won't feel that way. And then I got a job at like Applebee's and I was like, no, I still feel like, I understand I'm making less money because the government takes it, but I think that's good. And then, you know, well, they're like, when you make real money and now I make more money than they do and I still feel how I feel. So I'm like, what is the truth here? When, when do you guys just accept that you're selfish? You know what I mean? Like.

• 1:11:20Laci Mosley?

  It's not even selfish because if anything, the pandemic taught us that the government don't give a fuck about none of us. They give niggas money to go to space. I'm like, bitch, we, Earth is bad. The fuck we need to be trying to colonize Mars for? It's bad over here. Like, what you mean, let's start over? We could just finish this. We could just get to the end of this, of Earth. Like, what?

• 1:11:41Speaker 07

  Well, we are, we are getting to the end of Earth pretty quickly, I think. So at least we're doing that.

• 1:11:46Laci Mosley?

  I love the capital, so like, look, we could try to save the planet or we can move to Mars and just do it all over again. What y'all say, the remix?

• 1:11:54Speaker 07

  Right, right. And it's like, I don't think, also, I don't think rich people have any morals or like, understanding of most of them, any understanding of like, life beyond themselves. So they're like, oh, 40 years left for Earth to exist? Sick, I'll be out of here in like 35. No problem, no problem.

• 1:12:09Laci Mosley?

  It ain't no problem, that ain't no problem. The Earth is warming, ain't no problem.

• 1:12:14Speaker 07

  Like, I'm 70, I'm 70, so let it get hot, that's fine.

• 1:12:19Laci Mosley?

  And also, I think the people really need to acknowledge that it's okay to be privileged. All of us are privileged in some way. If you live with a roof over your head, guess what? You have privileges that other people don't. If you have certain rights that other people do because, or don't because of the restrictions in our government and how hateful it is, you have privilege. You can still be a hard worker. I hate that people conflate the two. Like, if you call someone privileged, they're like, no, I worked for the things I have. I'm like, you can be a hard worker and have privilege at the same time. It's okay. Like, no one's taking your hard work away from you.

• 1:12:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, and also, you didn't work for everything you have, you can't. Like, there's no such thing, there's no, there's no such thing as a self-made person. That's an invention.

• 1:12:59Laci Mosley?

  When you were an unemployed baby, if somebody left your bitch ass in the woods, guess what? You would not be where you are today. So you didn't work as an unemployed baby, somebody took care of you.

• 1:13:08Speaker 07

  Right, chomp, chomp, you would have been, you would have been some animal's dinner is what you would have been.

• 1:13:12Laci Mosley?

  Right. Ain't nobody ever got out the womb and was like, time to work, except for maybe Blue Ivy. You know, Blue Ivy got out, she was in the womb doing tracks, you know? Other than her, the rest of y'all babies is unemployed and lazy, okay?

• 1:13:25Speaker 07

  And broke and useless and not contributing. Babies really do. Babies are the grifters of this, of the, of life. They are, babies are such grifters, they're winning.

• 1:13:34Laci Mosley?

  And I miss it, I miss, I wish, I wish we could remember infancy, but it's probably a good thing because I'm sure that's why, because that's why parents can fuck up and drop you a shit. You won't remember it, it's all right.

• 1:13:43Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:13:44Laci Mosley?

  My sister fell off a couch, she fine.

• 1:13:49Speaker 07

  We think, we hope, we don't know.

• 1:13:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you know, this is looking good so far. But guys, that brings us to the end of another episode. Caleb, we always ask, where do you want to be found?

• 1:14:01Speaker 07

  Oh, you know, you can find me on the streets of LA. You can run up to me, we can be friends. Don't do that, I'm just kidding. Um, you know, I'm on, I'm on social media at Caleb Says Things and I think that's about it.

• 1:14:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and Caleb's, Caleb is really, really funny on Twitter. He's really, really funny on Instagram, he makes hilarious videos, guys, get after it, such a great follow. As always, if you want to find us, Scam Guys Pod on all platforms. If you want to find me, D I V A L A C I D, Lacy on all platforms. Finally, I can talk about it, The Black Lady Sketch Show comes out April 23rd. I will, I have scammed my way to HBO, guys, so you can watch on HBO and HBO Max. And then also, the reboot of iCarly, that'll be out this summer and I'll give you guys more details as they come. And then, as always, Wednesday nights on ABC's The Con, I will be talking about grifters and criminals as a scam expert. I gave myself a PhD in scams. Don't ask any questions about me.

• 1:15:00Speaker 07

  I'm so, you know what? Good for HBO, good for ABC, good for whoever's doing iCarly, this is so exciting, I'm so pumped.

• 1:15:06Laci Mosley?

  Paramount Plus, scam yourself into another app.

• 1:15:09Speaker 07

  And I love that.

• 1:15:10Laci Mosley?

  You need one more app, you need one more app, guys, you need Paramount Plus.

• 1:15:14Speaker 07

  You can stop after you get Paramount Plus, get Paramount Plus and then we can all stop.

• 1:15:18Laci Mosley?

  No, we're all good, we'll all say no after that. And I will come up with some kind of app streaming provider service for y'all. I'm gonna call it Cablay.

• 1:15:27Speaker 07

  Cablay.

• 1:15:28Laci Mosley?

  But Cablay.

• 1:15:30Speaker 07

  And it's gonna be a bundle service where we bring a bunch of channels together, it's gonna be cool.

• 1:15:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's just basically you using my passwords but paying me a nominal fee. Yes, guys, all right congregation, stay scheming.

• 1:15:47Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf Production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess is starring me, duh, Scam Goddess, AKA Laci Mosley. Scam Goddess is produced by Chelsea Jacobson and engineered by Marina Baiz with research by Sherrilyn Vera. Stay scheming.

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• 1:17:43Speaker 00

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• 1:17:44Speaker 02

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• 1:17:45Speaker 00

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• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:47Speaker 00

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• 1:17:49Speaker 02

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• 1:17:56Speaker 00

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• 1:17:57Speaker 02

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• 1:17:58Speaker 00

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• 1:18:01Speaker 02

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• 1:18:04Speaker 00

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