Part Two: Hidden From the President: A Naval Officer on UAPs in Our Oceans & How the CIA Trained Psychic Spies | Admiral Tim Gallaudet

What if the truth about UAPs is far stranger and far more unsettling than we've been told? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, PhD, US Navy (Ret.) - former oceanographer, retired Rear Admiral, and author of Holding Fast in Heavy Seas - reveals why he believes some of the biggest secrets surrounding UAPs (UFOs) may be hidden beneath Earth's oceans. After serving 32 years in the U. S. Navy, Gallaudet personally witnessed now-declassified UAP evidence and became one of the first people to view the now-famous "Go Fast" Navy video while it was still classified. He explains why he immediately knew the technology wasn't American or from any known adversary, and why the government kept the footage hidden for years. We dive deep into reports of mysterious craft operating both above and below the ocean, the seemingly impossible physics required for these objects to transition seamlessly between air and water, and why he believes our oceans may hold critical clues to understanding the true origins of nonhuman intelligence. We also discuss why eyewitness testimony remains one of the most important forms of evidence, how he personally gathers reports from fellow servicemen and submits them to official government agencies, and why official confirmation always seems to be delayed with calls for "more data." Adm. Gallaudet also helps us tackle some of the most controversial questions surrounding disclosure: - Could quantum mechanics help explain UAPs? - Do UAPs actually change form depending on the observer? - Why do encounters with nonhuman intelligence profoundly transform the people who witness them? - Is the unsettling possibility that humanity is not in control the real reason disclosure has moved so slowly? We explore the intersection of UAPs with the paranormal, including government-funded remote viewing and ESP research, what those programs may imply about consciousness and psi phenomena, why childhood paranormal experiences may make some people more receptive to later mystical encounters, and whether proving UAPs could fundamentally reshape our understanding of reality itself. Adm. Gallaudet also breaks down: - Which presidential administrations may or may not have had access to information about nonhuman intelligence (Did President Nixon showed comedian Jackie Gleason an alleged alien body?) - Whether mysterious cattle mutilations could represent nonhuman intelligence monitoring humanity's food supply - Why he believes intelligent life almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe - Why the public deserves transparency about discoveries that could fundamentally change our understanding of reality, and why no government should gatekeep truths of that magnitude If you've ever wondered whether the biggest mystery isn't in space but beneath our oceans, this is a conversation you won't want to miss! Adm. Tim Gallaudet's book, Holding Fast in Heavy Seas: https://www.amazon.com/Holding-Fast-Heavy-Seas-Leadership/dp/B0GW9HKK74 Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:04Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Iyan Bialik.

• 0:05Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 0:06Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to part two of our conversation with Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet. He was one of the first to witness the "Go Fast" UAP footage released by sailors when he was their supervising officer in the Navy. In part two of our conversation, we're going to talk about the larger implications of acknowledging the existence of UAPs. Why is it being hidden? What does the government know? And why is the government so threatened by this information?

• 0:35Jonathan Cohen?

  We're going to talk about how the biggest secrets facing humankind may be being kept from the president himself, and how these programs can be hidden from Congress using external contractors to analyze the data.

• 0:50Mayim Bialik?

  We're also going to talk about other phenomenon like cattle mutilations, extrasensory perception, and so much more. All of this in part two of our conversation with Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  And this is actually wonderful to have this conversation. We're at a point now where even the US government has established a science advisory panel on UAP, and it's our opportunity to tee this up for research. So I know how the government works. And we're at a point where we make recommendations. And I, having been a head of a US agency, the recommendation I want to make is for the Science Office in the White House, called the Office of Science and Technology Policy, to make not just UAP research a national science priority, but also these other aspects of consciousness in NHI and OBE and NDE that obviously are somehow aligned or correlated

• 1:49Speaker 02

  with that, with the phenomena, UAP. And the way this works is if we get the White House Science Agency and their annual, what they call R and D priorities memo, make that our national resource priority, then that directs all the US agencies to somehow tee that up in their research budgets. So we're talking about the NIH, you know, for ocean things. Officer Naval Intelligence, my old agency, NOAA, of course, the Naval Oceanographic Office, and then, and then anything else that could potentially bring to bear on these topics, which is a lot. I mean, the government is a trillion dollar, has a trillion dollar

• 2:33Speaker 02

  budget, just the Defense Department does alone. So that's what we're, we're going to try to do, is make mainstream this and get research supported.

• 2:41Mayim Bialik?

  I have kind of a wild question because you've mentioned, you know, crash sites, you've mentioned reports of people seeing craft that would, would fit this classification of things that are not ours, they're not our adversaries, they're not terrestrial in origin. How close have you gotten to learning more about things that have crashed or beings that may have been captured and studied?

• 3:10Speaker 02

  I'd love to have been close and seen. The best I can say is I'm close to people who have.

• 3:16Mayim Bialik?

  So what do they say? What, what is it? What's going on?

• 3:19Speaker 02

  So Dr. Hal Pudoff has been involved with these areas for some time, and I respect and like him. He's, we're working on a quantum project together on his advisory board. Can't, I just have so much respect for him. He acknowledged on Joe Rogan, we're in possession of 10 or so different types of craft. I, from other, other sources, believe that to be true. I'm not seeing them myself. Of course, I want to. I don't think I'm going to. It's, it's that privileged, if you will. In terms of the biologics that Dave Grush has testified to, I don't know anybody personally. So I can't, I can't speak to that. But I kind

• 4:00Speaker 02

  of, it's sort of a logical extension of all these different craft and eyewitness accounts. And then thirdly, there is somebody in, in James Lukatsky, who worked for DIA, who I believe has had firsthand accounts of interacting with, with crashed craft. And so he doesn't say that directly in his books, but it's. I've had others say that that is likely the case. And he's been on several podcasts. He's not been open about that topic, but it's likely based on what he's done and the programs he's been read into. And I don't want to ping him to that.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  But again, I just, I know enough people that have been in the programs like, and I think I am really eager to hear what Jay Stratton has to say on all this when his book comes out soon.

• 4:53Mayim Bialik?

  We had Neil deGrasse Tyson on recently, you know, for the second time because, you know, he wrote this very adorable, you know, new book about sort of like what to talk about if you ever get to meet an alien, right? And, you know, Neil, as I say, is the nicest person who rolls their eyes at me when I say, well, wait a second, what might actually be going on here? And this is one of the things that, you know, people like Neil deGrasse Tyson, right? And people of that sort of academic clinical caliber say, show me, show me the alien, show me the body, show me the craft. Enough with this like, will they or won't they? Enough with the stretching it out. Like, I'm enjoying all the podcasts we get to do talking to incredible people like you.

• 5:38Mayim Bialik?

  But at a certain point, what are we actually talking about? There's so many chemists who I would love to give any material to and let them go into their laboratory, let them reverse engineer it. If you can't figure out what this is, we deserve to know. Why are we still waiting on this biological data? Why are we waiting on revealing what might be craft that have, again, crashed, which seems a little odd to me, but drunk teenage aliens is an option?

• 6:12Speaker 02

  First off, I'm with you. Everybody is. Gosh, we all want to see the data. We want to see the real evidence, of course. And the only reason I go and speak out to what I know is because I know people who've seen or are aware of the evidence that I trust, like Hal. And and Dr. Eric Davis and Dave Rush, for example. Uh, now we're all fairly maybe one removed from that legacy program, but we know enough about the government and all the pieces and parts like, for example, I was a, I have a good colleague who worked in the Department of Energy and he recounted to me how, uh, he was taking a trip to one of the national laboratories and there was a building called the Exotic Materials

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Lab. It wasn't labeled. His friends told him that it was called and he asked him what it was involved and he said, oh, you haven't been read into that. He said, no. And he goes, okay, well, we'll just have to tell you some other time. And there's like, there's many clues to this all occurring. Yeah, we want to see that hard, that, that, uh, that hard data. And I think it's, maybe we should step back and not be, and just appreciate where we've come.

• 7:22Mayim Bialik?

  I don't want to appreciate where we've come. I want to go into the future. I want to know where we're going.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Right. Well, and that's very good. Now, so are we getting there? I don't know. Uh, but remember, I know I'm on a board, the UAP Science Advisory Board, whose objective is to get us there, or at least that's what we want to do. Uh, if we're going to be allowed to do it is another question. Uh, so, uh, but, but we're here. We're gonna, we're gonna go after it. We want to know the truth and we are going to study it scientifically to do just that. And we were, we're requesting that information. The information you want to see, we're requesting.

• 8:02Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you.

• 8:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Is it possible that the President of the United States, no matter what years it would have been, would be unaware of the extent of this information? Like, could these programs, because they span administrations?

• 8:22Jonathan Cohen?

  Be tucked away in parts of the government that the actual president may not know about them?

• 8:27Mayim Bialik?

  Can I answer first and then I'll let you answer? What Disclosure Day says is presidents are civilians at the end of their term. There is no necessary need to include them in conversations that within four years would make them a security threat to the country they were just the president of. But I'd like to hear the admiral's response.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, 100%. In fact, it's likely, now, I don't know every given president. There's a bunch of speculation out there about which presidents have known and not. But ultimately, yeah, it's fairly, not only plausible, but likely that that information has been withheld from presidents. The apparatus, the security mechanisms, the special access program control, make it so that the president doesn't have anything to know on the details of these things.

• 9:21Mayim Bialik?

  But they're supposed to know everything. It's the commander in chief of the entire country. Do you think that President Trump could control himself if he actually knew that there were aliens? You'd get a tweet at 3:00 in the morning without anyone knowing.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  Well, no, no. Actually, I'm of a different mindset from some sources I have that I think the true nature of the phenomenon might be really terrifying because we're not in control. We're not the highest, and even Avi talks about this, we're not the highest on the food chain. And I think no president wants to admit that.

• 10:00Mayim Bialik?

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• 11:30Speaker 02

  Now I'm scared. That is a scary thing to admit to the American people, and that might be the overarching driver. I don't know for sure, but a lot of indicators make that seem to be the case for me. But again, I don't have the data. And that's what we're going to pursue is the data. We might not be allowed to see the data. And there's a lot of really terrifying things out there about cattle mutilations. I mean, have you ever had a show on that?

• 12:01Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so I am obsessed with cattle mutilation and no one will talk to me about it. And every time I bring it up, even everyone in this room, everybody laughs at me and I'm like, no, you don't understand. There's something going on. This is something I believe more than anything else is there's something going on with cattle mutilation. I'm dead serious.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  So I received the most remarkable report, I think on this topic I've ever seen recently. A homicide cop, a 20 year homicide cop in Canada, wrote me, and he actually wrote a book on this. And he applied all his investigative techniques to this topic. And he looked at hundreds of cases all around the world. And if you're a homicide cop and you apply what you do in your job to this topic, you can only conclude several things and that it's just a large scale crazy ass experiment by non-human advanced technologies to basically assess the status of our food supply.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  And in a very systematic and scientific way.

• 13:10Mayim Bialik?

  That never occurred to me. I mean, I'm just fascinated. Also, I'm a vegan. So like anything animal related, I'm fascinated. But it didn't occur to me that there might be information that can be gathered, which we know that there can be. It never occurred to me that that might be the reason that there's information gathering about, wow.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  Look at the way the animals were taken. All the blood's gone. There's no evidence of the blood. There's no tracks. They're dropped from a, they're deposited in a position to be seen. Okay, that's crazy. From a location they were, so they were airlifted somehow. Leaders of blood, tens of liters of blood, nowhere to be seen. The precision examination that's occurred, we don't have the tools to do that.

• 13:57Mayim Bialik?

  No, we do not.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  If you look at the nature of it. And so, long story short, there might be aspects, terrifying aspects of disclosure we really may not want to know. And I don't know that for sure, but it seems plausible. Again, I think it's, even though it'd be nice to sit back and not know some of those things. Also, I don't think ignorance is a good national strategy. And we have to address the nature of reality front, you know, full on. And if we really want to do the best we can for humanity. So that's my position, as terrifying as it may be or not.

• 14:39Jonathan Cohen?

  It speaks to something you were. Referencing before that there are light and dark forces in whatever is happening, that it's not all good, it's not all bad, that there is a mix. Can you talk about, besides cattle mutilation, is there any other examples that would show you intention here?

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, interestingly, so one of the areas the Defense Intelligence Agency researched thoroughly, and is the subject of a show, Skinwalker Ranch, I think it's a History Channel, I believe. It turns out Brandon Fugel, the owner, has brought me on as an advisor. I had an amazing tour of the ranch a week ago, and really, and we've, their ranch has documented UAP phenomena, specifically the orb-like phenomena, frequently, as well as metallic spheres. And so, there's, there's, in those cases, many instances of very negative interactions. I'm not gonna, not gonna do a spoiler here, but when Jay's book comes

• 15:41Speaker 02

  out, he will recount that, because he's had those. And, and that's also in Chim Lekatsky and Colm Kelleher's book, The Skinwalkers of the Pentagon. So that, that's a testbed, if you will, for the phenomena, and, and, and really, a lot of the negative interaction. Positive interactions are recorded in other sources. In fact, there's, Jacques Vallée has masterfully compiled everything there is to know about this, on both sides, where certain people have been healed, with their interactions. So, I, I'm not at all an expert. Remember, I'm trying to confine my, my scope of expertise and knowledge to that which resides

• 16:25Speaker 02

  with government policy, as well as research regarding ocean-related phenomena. But, but it's out there.

• 16:33Jonathan Cohen?

  Something occurred to me that if it's outside of the president's purview,

• 16:39Jonathan Cohen?

  Who is actually controlling this information? Is it, you know, being researched if there are crash sites, crash vehicles? If there are biologics?

• 16:50Mayim Bialik?

  Which inmate is running the asylum?

• 16:52Jonathan Cohen?

  Is it private companies, contractors that are trying to reverse engineer this? Is it actual inside the government that's controlling it? What's your sense of who is, you know, holding these secrets?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Yes, so I don't know with certainty, but I know how the government works and how other programs are run. And so you have a mix. You have basically within the intelligence community, a giant hierarchy of various special access programs. And many of them are not known directly by the president or even the National Security Council. Because there's just, it's just a very complex organization for intelligence gathering and defense, et cetera. But at some point, there is possible mechanisms for the National Command Authority to find out. And at the same time, and I haven't addressed this, but politicians, certain presidents,

• 17:49Speaker 02

  will sometimes elect not to want to know the details because it gives them plausible deniability when interviewed with the press or when they go into retirement. And that can be advantageous and reduce legal risk and other risks. So that's a dynamic there. I can't characterize the eaches of any given executive, but that's what's kind of going on. And then there's a likelihood, and Carl Nell has talked about this, that much of the UAP crash retrieval program is moved in transition to defense contractors to avoid congressional oversight. And again, I don't have firsthand knowledge of that. I don't know the names of the contractors.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  It's widely reported or speculated on, but it's a very plausible scenario to keep the technology.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Within the US, outside the hands of Congress, so we could avoid it getting leaked or potentially slowing down the RDT and E.

• 18:53Mayim Bialik?

  That's the fun drinking game, to look at the list of presidents. You know, how far back do you want to go? Because this stuff presumably did not just start happening, although with the development of nuclear technology, nuclear facilities, also discussions about the resources of H2O, right? There are, there are different kinds of viewings, and Lou talks about this, obviously, in his book. But that's a fun drinking game. Like, which president do you want to put money on that would say, "Thanks, but no thanks," right? Like, I'm feeling Obama vibes, right? And then I'm kind of feeling like Reagan vibes, but then also like first Bush. I kind of feel like he'd be like, "Yeah, bring it on." You know, like, I got a whole story. Nixon? Absolutely.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Oh, I have a story about Nixon.

• 19:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Go ahead.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  It's a rumor out there that Nixon had had awareness of retrieved biologic beings and craft. And, and, I don't know, it's in a lot of places on the internet, wherever. Not credible, but it's out there, okay? And, and that, and that he shared, brought Jackie Gleason to a military base to see these biologics.

• 20:09Mayim Bialik?

  Like, to impress a Hollywood celebrity?

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you know, have you heard this thread?

• 20:14Mayim Bialik?

  So this is in Disclosure Day, where there's an indication that Nixon was using this as a, his own personal publicity moment, which, you know, I was raised in a bleeding-heart liberal household, so nothing would surprise my father, you know, bless his memory, about Nixon. But this was the idea, that what if, right? What if this was used by, let's say, someone who wanted to wield power and bring a celebrity around? I'll be that celebrity.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  This is a very specific thread, or rumor, of Nixon bringing Jackie Gleason to an Air Force base, I think in Florida, and showing him the...

• 20:50Speaker 02

  Aliens, right? They're recovered aliens. Okay, so that that's out there and whatever, there's so much out there. It's actually crazy, hard to follow. But I went and because of my access, I get a lot of people who come up to me and say, hey, I want to tell you what I saw. And having been the head of NOAA, a recreational fisherman, because NOAA is in charge of our fisheries management, he in Florida, I got pointed to him and he had talked about his UAP experiences on a fishing show. He's a real serious, credible guy, nice guy. Since he's out there, I can give you his

• 21:29Speaker 02

  name. It's Mark Kroka, K R O W K A. And he was on a web or a podcast and he talked all about fishing for tarpon and whatnot. At the very end, they got asked about his UAP sightings and off the Florida Keys, he said multiple UAP sightings, lights and such. In one case, this observed UAP lighted object was was scrambled, jets were scrambled after it from a nearby Air Force Base that he saw and went after this thing and it moved rapidly left the area. And so he's had these sightings over the over a period of a decade or more. And so I called him up. We had a good chat. I was really

• 22:12Speaker 02

  interested in what he's seen. It seems pretty often, it's usually very early in the morning, well before sunrise. And at one time, they even won a prayer over his house and tried to get his wife out of bed. Hey, you got to see this. And she's like, I don't want to get. But there you go. Ultimately, Mark shared with me that, well, ultimately, so, so he's, he's, he's seen these craft and he said, you know, I have this really interesting story. When I was a kid, I worked at this clubhouse, I forgot where in Florida, a golf clubhouse, and Jackie Leeson's wife was a member.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  And he, you know, he was just like, not a janitor, but one of these lower level guys working. And he got to talk to her and she, she shared with him that this, she said, this totally occurred. Nixon brought him into the space. He saw these aliens. And he said Gleason was so affected, he, he didn't eat for like two weeks. He was so disturbed that they were really worried for his health and his, his life, because he was just so stunned by, you know, the ontological shock that he experienced by, by seeing this. And so that's just one little data point because the guy Mark is totally credible. He met

• 23:33Speaker 02

  Gleason's wife. She said this and had no reason to gain from it. So what do you think of that?

• 23:39Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, it's, there's two things. First of all, that's incredible to think that sort of pop culture, right? Popular culture may have intersected in this way. And that, you know, I think everybody thinks it would be really cool, right? If we finally knew that there are aliens. But most everyone who's had encounters with aliens is deeply affected. It's very disturbing. It brings up a whole set of questions about, am I crazy? Will anyone believe me? Will I be mocked? Will I be teased? And what we're seeing now in this age of disclosure is people with your credentials, respectable professionals

• 24:19Mayim Bialik?

  who are saying, we're not going to be silent anymore, even about the need to know more. And I think that's really kind of the difference in conversation. I wanted to ask another kind of oceanographic question. So you talk about, you know, how the vast majority, right, of the ocean floor has not been mapped, right? And, and you talk about the importance of this and sort of that overlap with the importance of understanding UAPs and especially a lot of their movements surrounding bodies of water, you know, surrounding also nuclear sites. But, but let's focus on the bodies of water. I'm going to ask you to sort of speculate

• 24:58Mayim Bialik?

  here. Like, I'm filling in a lot of blanks, not knowing what's going on on the ocean floor and UAPs going into the water. Are we talking like?

• 25:10Mayim Bialik?

  UAPs may be originating from underwater? Or there could be sources of underwater territory that might be holding secrets? Like, I'm asking for real.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's interesting, my, because I know Tim Burchett, Congressman, had mentioned that, "Oh, I know about five areas where there might be underwater alien bases." I have no knowledge of that. And I, you know, I was the oceanographer for the Navy and ran into all the, all the, most of the unclassified undersea programs. So I'm not sure where he got that from. Just don't know. But, but when you just look at the nature and the pervasiveness of UAP observations, and again, they're not revealing themselves in total to us. You have random observations by individuals, sometimes large gatherings, you know, entire ships, companies, and cities, whatnot.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  But no one's just, no civilization has said, "We are coming here to interact with you and sign a treaty," that I know of. And so with that, they want to stay elusive to some degree. And if, if they have a permanent presence, which we believe they do, because they're, they've been here for a long time. And Diana talks about this in her book, "Centuries Likely." So her books, great books, "American Cosmic Encounters," and her latest, "The Others," Diana Pasulka. Then where else would they reside to remain hidden for a duration? It would be the ocean. I said, 27% of the ocean's been, seafloor's been mapped. That means 73% has not.

• 26:51Mayim Bialik?

  That's 73% of hiding spaces.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. That's just incredible. And then the ocean volume is even less explored, only about 10% with a, with a modern remotely operated vehicle, or undersea drone, or profiling buoy, or all the means we have to look at the volume. So we don't know jack about the ocean. And if, if some civilization wanted to remain hidden, that's where they should, they would go.

• 27:19Mayim Bialik?

  What do you mean, "The volume"? I mean, I know what volume is. I'm thinking of the ocean floor, and then I'm thinking what's in the ocean. Are you talking about it's one thing to map the ocean floor, it's another thing to know what's going on in the ocean besides all the garbage that we put there and all the fantastic animals?

• 27:34Speaker 02

  Right, exactly. The ocean itself. So for the way ocean scientists go about studying the ocean, the area between the seafloor and the sea surface, is to use a whole variety of sensors like multi-beam sonar on ships, sonar on ocean drones, underwater drones, sonar on ocean surface drones, profiling buoys that measure properties like salinity temperature, pressure, and then putting video monitors on all of those things to look at the ocean. And in the optical realm, for example, or infrared.

• 28:16Mayim Bialik?

  That's assuming that these things are visible or detectable in ways that our technology can handle. Because the fact is, if you're suggesting that they've been here for hundreds of years, if not more, that means they've been existing this whole time outside of the visible spectrum, outside of any other spectrum that we might be able to measure with sophisticated technology that I don't even know about.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Right. So there's several reports in the UFO files the Pentagon released where in a certain wavelength that UAP were observed, but in the like infrared, but in the visible wavelength, they were not observed. So they had a signature in the infrared, but not in the visible. They weren't able to be seen, nothing there. But holy crap, there's something there. And so that's very likely could be the case in many instances in the ocean. Now, granted, though, the sonar is our main means of detecting objects underwater. We use that to map the seafloor. We use that to map schools of fish. Ultimately, there's

• 29:25Speaker 02

  interesting things, and I profiled this in a paper I wrote. I'm an advisor for the Seoul Foundation, a big UAP think tank, the premier UAP think tank, we hope. And their very first white paper was about UAPs in the ocean that I wrote called Beneath the Surface. And I wrote about and researched this. Topic and I saw that in World War one, two, pardon me, right after. One of our Navy's oceanographic ships, like the ones I've been on and I owned, I owned the fleet of naval oceanographic ships when I was a, an admiral. That during, right after World War two, nineteen forty six, I believe, the USS Maury was surveying. So they're throwing down sonar beams to map the seafloor.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  And measure the depths and they came to a point where all of a sudden the depth of the ocean was very shallow. They had a lot. Over a period of very long distance, nearly a kilometer. And then, and then the ocean got deep again and they retraced the route. And then they just saw the ocean was deep again. So they saw some object. And it wasn't, it wasn't fish or plankton. They present as a very diffuse scattering reflection and, and so what was that? And, and this has happened. I, I have other instances of submarines encountering objects that can't be explained by anything conventional.

• 30:43Jonathan Cohen?

  And if they're not in the ocean, that means that you have to think about them traveling. From outside of the galaxy or somewhere else off planet in, but they're so frequent that it. You know, the idea may be that they evolved before we possibly did. And that they're here. Otherwise, we're talking about them being able to. Travel outside of space time in a way that we really can't understand.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Well, there, these are very plausible scenarios and physics as we know it, do not deny the fact that. Another civilization could have formed, evolved. And then before any kind of major geologic cataclysm like an, or, or an asteroid strike. That, that they decided to go subterranean or into the ocean somewhere below the seafloor. To reside. Again, we're, we're very, we're so new to the scene. That, that the geologic history could have, could have removed all evidence of other civilizations that may have evolved. What? A billion years ago, for example. So, so this is a hypothesis called.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  The Silurian Hypothesis, S I L U R I A N. And a philosopher named Bernardo Castrope wrote about it in the debrief.

• 32:04Mayim Bialik?

  Who's who we've had on and had. Yeah, we've had a great, great time with Bernardo.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  I saw that. I saw that show.

• 32:10Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  So you got it. You got that.

• 32:12Mayim Bialik?

  Obviously, your book comes out today, Holding Fast in Heavy Seas, which is right behind your left shoulder. Tell us where else people can go to learn more about you and the incredible work you're doing.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  So kind of to say, you can learn about me and my book at my website, timgallaudet.com. And of course, the book's available on all the major outlets like Amazon and Barnes and Noble, July 7. So thank you for saying that. I appreciate you.

• 32:44Mayim Bialik?

  There's a lot on my mind, but I really can't stop thinking about cattle mutilation.

• 32:49Jonathan Cohen?

  You get stuck there.

• 32:50Mayim Bialik?

  I.

• 32:51Jonathan Cohen?

  You know, here's the difference between me and you. I want to talk about interdimensional space travel, whether or not we have been, you know, evolved millions of years in the future, and you want to know why the cow is in so many parts.

• 33:07Mayim Bialik?

  Well, here's the thing. There's many, obviously, many phenomenal things that Admiral Tim, as I'm calling him, you know, just brought to light. But I can't just like do a drive by on cattle mutilation. I'm hung up on this larger canon of information that, you know, I can't tell if it's paranoia, you know, if it's gullibility, or I can't tell if it's like, he's showing us the level of scrutiny that we have to have in order to feel safe in the world.

• 33:49Mayim Bialik?

  Like, you cannot dismiss things, and of course, like, we just need more data. We need more transparency, we need more data. I believe more information is within our reach, but at this point, I, I just, I feel like, you know how sometimes we'll be talking about something? And I'll be like, "What'd you wanna say?", and you're like, "I don't know", and I say, "Let's skip the part where you don't know, cuz I know that you know." That's what I wanna do with this. I wanna skip the part-

• 34:16Jonathan Cohen?

  You're skipping steps here, though, bro.

• 34:17Mayim Bialik?

  But I wanna skip the part where the government's like, "Oh, I don't know."

• 34:20Jonathan Cohen?

  What does it actually mean to believe and to know that we are not the apex predators? That we are not as smart? That we are not as capable? That, potentially, there is an intelligence out there that is here already? And it can bypass our weapons? It can show up anywhere at any time?

• 34:47Mayim Bialik?

  If you're gonna grant that there's an intelligence out there that has the capability to do the things that we already seem to be getting indications that it can do, it does beg the question, "Why have we not been destroyed? How interesting are we to this interstellar gardener?"

• 35:05Jonathan Cohen?

  And what are the motivations of said gardener? There are examples of interactions with entities where people are magically healed, and then people feel like, maybe there's a negative attribute. How do we know which is which? Maybe there are multiple. Why does it mean, like, there are so many different versions of humanity? Why wouldn't there be multiple offshoots of whatever intelligence is here?

• 35:30Mayim Bialik?

  Well, and whatever intelligence that is, it doesn't abide by our puny human rules of like, "It's bad that I didn't get that job." You know, like, we're beyond that.

• 35:40Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't think they're intervening in job applications.

• 35:43Mayim Bialik?

  Well, but the idea is, what's the path in your life? What do you start wondering about if you open the door to this? That's the problem, and Disclosure Day handles this very well.

• 35:53Jonathan Cohen?

  Tell me.

• 35:54Mayim Bialik?

  We recorded-

• 35:54Jonathan Cohen?

  I haven't seen it yet.

• 35:55Mayim Bialik?

  I'm not gonna spoil it, but we did record this episode shortly after. You know, I saw Disclosure Day. Yeah, if you're open to this, what next?

• 36:03Jonathan Cohen?

  What is next?

• 36:05Mayim Bialik?

  Ask Admiral Tim, you're open to remote viewing. You're open to discussions about what's hiding under the surface of the ocean. Like, you're kind of open to everything, which means that you're gonna be open to people who otherwise, we might say, were crazy being reclassified. I think of the case of the gentleman.

• 36:25Jonathan Cohen?

  With the implant.

• 36:26Mayim Bialik?

  With the implant. And he kept telling everyone, "The government put something in my brain. They took me, they researched on me, they put me asleep, and they told me that they were imprinting this thing in my head." He was right, the government did that to him. He wasn't crazy. So, how many people have you and I spoken to, face to face, who are like, "The aliens are here. There are people among us who are aliens, and I can tell who they are." More people than Jonathan and I would like to admit have said that to us.

• 36:55Jonathan Cohen?

  There's like a fine line where I'm like, willing to accept these firsthand accounts, but then, when someone says, "I see the lizard people because of the ways their eyes move," I'm like, "That's a little far."

• 37:08Mayim Bialik?

  So, this is the question. How far is too far? And everyone's gonna have a different answer because we're on this spectrum. I'm looking for the place where the line disappears because we all know the same thing.

• 37:21Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, so no one knows the same thing ever.

• 37:24Mayim Bialik?

  Like, most people agree that the Earth is round.

• 37:27Jonathan Cohen?

  A lot of people don't. A lot of people don't.

• 37:29Mayim Bialik?

  Most people agree that there are other planets.

• 37:33Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 37:34Mayim Bialik?

  And let's say.

• 37:35Jonathan Cohen?

  That's where it ends.

• 37:36Mayim Bialik?

  No, but like, when Pluto was no longer a planet.

• 37:39Jonathan Cohen?

  A little dirty ice ball.

• 37:41Mayim Bialik?

  When Pluto became just a little dirty ice ball, most people were like, "Okay, some scientist said it, it showed up in my social media feed."

• 37:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Most people just don't like change.

• 37:50Mayim Bialik?

  We're gonna make a lot of jokes about it, Pluto's no longer a planet. I'm looking for that with this.

• 37:56Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't know that we're, we're gonna have that, you know?

• 37:58Mayim Bialik?

  If, if things keep going the way they're going, something's gonna shift. It may not be in our lifetime, but like, I hope that whatever seat we have in the afterlife, we get to the front row of this party.

• 38:10Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, all the materialists who are such downers all the time.

• 38:15Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, materialists are no fun when you have these conversations.

• 38:17Jonathan Cohen?

  They're like, every light that anyone has ever seen is a drone. And I'm like, these drones, you know how loud drones are? You see the propulsion? There are no drones that operate totally silently. They glow as orbs. They have no propulsion mechanism like.

• 38:37Mayim Bialik?

  Have you gone to the government website that shows you the videos that they've compiled, that they release?

• 38:42Jonathan Cohen?

  Some of them, I haven't like.

• 38:44Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, they're, they're literally videos, clear as day of people's iPhones in their backyard, being like, what the actual fuck is flying over my yard? And they are things moving in tandem that don't look normal. It's not AI, it's not blah.

• 38:59Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, this is happening in.

• 39:00Mayim Bialik?

  What's happening?

• 39:01Jonathan Cohen?

  This is happening in an era of AI where people are now able to dismiss anything.

• 39:05Mayim Bialik?

  But there's orbs in people's backyards that the government has known about, and I feel like someone should research that.

• 39:11Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, but people are saying that like this second world war never happened. So like, the level of disconnect that people are willing to have between things that have happened that are documented.

• 39:21Mayim Bialik?

  I think World War II happened.

• 39:23Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm pretty sure.

• 39:24Mayim Bialik?

  I don't know now.

• 39:26Jonathan Cohen?

  My grandfather was pretty messed up. He went there.

• 39:31Mayim Bialik?

  Took a dark turn.

• 39:32Jonathan Cohen?

  Let's talk about the three hypotheses for the presence of extraterrestrial intelligence, non-human intelligence.

• 39:42Mayim Bialik?

  There are three primary hypotheses circulating among serious researchers. He talked about this on, on the Sean Ryan podcast. So he mentioned it briefly, the Dr. Bernardo Castrope notion. An advanced civilization may have evolved. Hundreds of millions to over a billion years ago. And there was no fossil evidence at that time. And at some point, they decided to go, I believe he said, subterranean. Like, we're gonna peace out. We're gonna be undetectable. And that's gonna be our story. That's the first hypothesis. The second one, there's no firsthand data.

• 40:23Mayim Bialik?

  It's a mathematical idea that there's some space in between this dimension and other dimensions that we seem to be able to access. This could be a string theory basis kind of mathematical thing. That's the interdimensional origin story. In terms of extraterrestrial, so this is outside of our terrestrial territory. This is the, quote, "standard hypothesis," as Valerie points out. While the known laws of physics make interstellar travel seem impossible, there may be physics that we haven't yet discovered. And, you know, for example, 100 years ago, we couldn't have imagined, well, a little

• 41:04Mayim Bialik?

  over 100 years ago, quantum mechanics, relativity, all these things. But that there is some notion that we don't quite understand, where there may be physics, where creatures are traveling from other places, different than other dimensions. Do you understand the distinction that they're making?

• 41:20Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, like, where places would these be?

• 41:22Mayim Bialik?

  So another dimension is like another, remember those crazy, Laura Anderson showed us these other dimensional things? Like, there's a dimension you don't even understand that exists, that like, I mean, I'm gonna picture this like in the sci-fi way.

• 41:34Jonathan Cohen?

  It's like a fold in my pocket where the lint is that I've never seen before.

• 41:37Mayim Bialik?

  Pretty much, or like, it's like an anomaly, like, opens up, and it's like, oh my god, there's another dimension, like, land of the lost.

• 41:42Jonathan Cohen?

  And there's like 20 bucks in there, and you're like, wow!

• 41:44Mayim Bialik?

  Or it's another universe.

• 41:46Jonathan Cohen?

  I wish I could open that dimension anytime I was hungry.

• 41:49Mayim Bialik?

  And then extraterrestrial, the way I understand it, is sort of like, they're on another planet that's so far that we can't see it, but they can move.

• 41:55Jonathan Cohen?

  But they just hop over.

• 41:56Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, like, I don't, I mean, we don't know.

• 41:58Jonathan Cohen?

  There's an overlap between these two things, where the extra dimension is required for them to travel fast enough from the Off planet because it would take so long to travel from the planet based on how we understand travel that they gotta jump through a hole.

• 42:15Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, the reason that I love your brain is we were given three hypotheses, but you're looking to like combine.

• 42:20Jonathan Cohen?

  There's only two.

• 42:21Mayim Bialik?

  No, there's really not.

• 42:22Jonathan Cohen?

  There's like two and a half.

• 42:23Mayim Bialik?

  I'm gonna trust that Valerie knows more than we do about.

• 42:25Jonathan Cohen?

  No, it's just two and a half. We'll take a poll. We'll take a poll. I think people are following along. I think the last thing to cover, and if you want more on this line of thinking, you gotta listen to the Diana Pasulka episode, which is, you know, thinking about institutional knowledge on the earth, you have institutional knowledge based in the government that is actually not part of Congress. There are these like long time little pockets of the government that are almost outside of purview because they've sprung up and, you know, like they want to keep them shadow.

• 43:04Mayim Bialik?

  You're using a lot of fancy words to say that there's shit in the government that.

• 43:08Jonathan Cohen?

  No one knows about.

• 43:09Mayim Bialik?

  That no one knows about.

• 43:10Jonathan Cohen?

  Because you want, you don't want Congress's oversight. You don't want congressional oversight. So you kind of tuck it away with a contractor and the contractor just keeps getting money and then they're able to run these sort of side programs. In a similar way, religious institutions around the globe have been repositories for people's firsthand experiences that they can't understand and they've collected an enormous amount of information about what could be happening. And what is interesting about Diana's work is looking at the Vatican, looking at other religious texts as evidence for patterns that were being surfaced across

• 43:49Jonathan Cohen?

  all of human history that describes interactions with what was then unknown and is now becoming known and where are the overlaps and similarities?

• 43:59Mayim Bialik?

  Guess what? All of religion is just aliens. I mean, that's a little bit what we're opening the door to.

• 44:05Jonathan Cohen?

  Or other experiences of consciousness that, you know, then they didn't understand basic elements of the material world, which we now understand a lot more. So there's like, you gotta take some of that with a grain of salt.

• 44:16Mayim Bialik?

  That is the place, I think, that Admiral Tim is. Sort of opening that it could be that there are people whose frequencies are tuned more selectively to receiving this kind of information. And so what doesn't look like data to you may look like data to them. This is something Disclosure Day talks about and demonstrates. You know, what if something that sounds like gibberish to someone else makes complete sense? And if you've ever known anyone who's an energy healer or someone who's kind of, in some cases, straddling, you know, what's real and what's perceived. And you know that it's just, it's like their frequency is tuned differently. So to me, that's even more interesting than aliens, you know?

• 45:01Mayim Bialik?

  Also, just the notion that like something could be so paradigm shifting that even the president of these United States would be like, "Yeah, you don't need me to know that." That is sort of mind blowing. And again, everybody's like, "Oh, it'd be so cool to see an alien." No, I think it would probably make you want to lay down and not wake up for a while.

• 45:22Jonathan Cohen?

  I want to hear people's theory on the teenage aliens. What's really causing these crashes?

• 45:28Mayim Bialik?

  Like the fact that we're using the word crash, like what? And I couldn't, I wanted him to like, explain it. And I'm not trying to be like, "Oh, this is proof that it's not a thing." But we have to have some explanation for why something that is so sophisticated that it might have been here for billions of years would like have a boo boo ouchie.

• 45:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe they have, they're updating their tech, they're having new saucers. The saucers aren't-

• 45:50Mayim Bialik?

  The new saucers?

• 45:51Jonathan Cohen?

  The saucers aren't just like millions of years old. You know, they're releasing new models. The new models have recalls.

• 45:59Mayim Bialik?

  And this model makes you crash and then you can't do anything about it. And people in New Mexico find you and then they make a million TV shows about it.

• 46:08Jonathan Cohen?

  Just because you're so wise and you're a million years old doesn't mean you don't also make mistakes.

• 46:15Mayim Bialik?

  Hence, crashes.

• 46:17Jonathan Cohen?

  Also, you think an alien has like, you know, lives forever? You think there's like a lifespan of an alien?

• 46:23Mayim Bialik?

  Also, something Disclosure Day brought up.

• 46:25Jonathan Cohen?

  You know, like you get to be 6 million years old, you're just like, I just don't want to do it anymore.

• 46:30Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I mean, look, we can only think in kind of like a carbon-based reality of like, cells live and then they die. And this is why also I think that the notion of grays might not be entirely where I land because... And I haven't seen them myself. Obviously, if I would see them myself, I'd feel differently. But the notion that like, whatever existed for even a couple hundred years would kind of have the same... I don't know, they'd have like legs and walk around and have like eyes, like, I don't know.

• 47:00Jonathan Cohen?

  I want to be able to fly if I'm an alien.

• 47:02Mayim Bialik?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 47:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Like hover a little bit.

• 47:04Mayim Bialik?

  And like, do you get old? Like, I just, that's the part where a little bit, I'm like, I don't know.

• 47:08Jonathan Cohen?

  Have we figured out how to regrow cartilage? I don't think like an alien's getting a knee replacement. Do you think aliens get depressed?

• 47:15Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, if they can crash, they can be depressed.

• 47:18Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe the depressed aliens are crashing.

• 47:20Mayim Bialik?

  That's sad. Well, Disclosure Day also, you know, I mean, I think by the time, you know, people hear this, I think most everyone will have seen Disclosure Day.

• 47:32Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, the, one of the biggest questions that Disclosure Day brings up is if we were to encounter

• 47:38Mayim Bialik?

  non-human intelligent beings, how would we treat them?

• 47:41Jonathan Cohen?

  Depends on if they're the nice ones or the, or the not-so-nice ones. If they're trying to destroy our cows, then we may not be so pleased.

• 47:50Mayim Bialik?

  Asking for a friend, are the codes of morals and ethics that we know about in this country up to par to deciding how to treat things that we don't understand?

• 48:04Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, first of all...

• 48:07Jonathan Cohen?

  They probably aren't subject to our weapons. So it's like, if you can't defend yourself, then you're kind of left to be like, "How would you like to treat us?"

• 48:20Mayim Bialik?

  Again, how historically does our government do?

• 48:23Jonathan Cohen?

  Not so well.

• 48:24Mayim Bialik?

  With people who we make powerless?

• 48:28Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, they could ultimately have a lot more power than us if they're not subject to the physical reality that we are, you know, that we operate by.

• 48:39Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, it's something I hadn't considered until I explored this.

• 48:42Jonathan Cohen?

  You're worried that we're gonna be mean to the aliens? People are worried that the aliens are gonna be mean to us.

• 48:46Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, I know.

• 48:48Jonathan Cohen?

  I feel like you have a lot more to say.

• 48:49Mayim Bialik?

  I won't say more.

• 48:50Jonathan Cohen?

  Find more of Mayim's hot takes over on Substack, Mayim Bialik's Breakdown on Substack.

• 48:55Mayim Bialik?

  And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.