Behind the Scenes Minis: Pens and Dog Radios

Tracy and Holly talk about their favorite pens, and Tracy describes a unique radio she had as a child. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Holly Frey?

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• 2:16Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 2:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

• 2:29Holly Frey?

  And I'm Holly Frey.

• 2:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  We talked about pens this week.

• 2:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  The thing that this reminds me the most of in terms of inspiration for an episode is the one where we talked about poison control.

• 2:40Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 2:41Tracy V. Wilson?

  That literally came about because I was reading the back of the CATS Flea and Tick Prevention Medicine that said if you ingested it to call poison control. And I was like, huh, how did we get a system in which there's poison control to the point that it's printed on the box? Like, that's a thing that the people who made this can take for granted that the people reading it would have access to poison control. How do we get

• 3:05Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 3:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  to that? In this case, we're just sitting around the table, just kind of chatting as we are preparing to start a hour and something-ish process of signing paperwork. And I thought, huh, who thought of pens like this? They also were retractable. And we did not talk about retractable pens at all. I don't know when somebody came up with how to retract them, but you know, we're clicking on the retractable pens. And I went, huh, pens. Let's talk about that on the show.

• 3:39Holly Frey?

  People feel very strongly about pens.

• 3:41Tracy V. Wilson?

  I feel incredibly strongly about pens.

• 3:43Holly Frey?

  Me too. I've never felt more seen, I will once again invoke Bob's Burgers, but there was an episode where someone needed a pen. And their daughter Tina, I think it's Linda that needs the pen, their daughter Tina hands it to her and says, this is my third favorite pen. And then she doesn't hand it back right away. And Tina's like, can I have it back? Because like I said, it's my third favorite pen. And I was like, Tina, Tina, I see you and I feel you.

• 4:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 4:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  So the part of the episode where we read the thing that was about the, the person saying that, that they did not think that this fountain pen would really take off because it felt so much better to write with a quill. I have never written with a quill. However, that really resonated with me because if I don't like the sensation of writing with a pen, I'm never using that pen again. I not that long ago, impulse bought some gel pens at the drugstore, took one out to write with it the first time and it felt scratchy. And I was like, no, no.

• 4:55Holly Frey?

  That is the worst sensation.

• 4:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  I hate it.

• 4:58Holly Frey?

  Especially if it's a pen like a gel pen that normally like a decent gel pen has such a smooth hand. That if it, if it doesn't, if for some reason it's cheaply made and the, the roller ball that conveys the gel does not smoothly do its job. It's like nails on a chalkboard. It's awful.

• 5:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. And the fact that you're not expecting it because you expect the gel pen to have that smooth feel was incredibly jarring. I've only written with a fountain pen one time. It is possible that there are fountain pens that I would like, but that one fountain pen, I was like, nope. Feels too scratchy on the page. Many years ago, I was someplace, I don't even know where, but the sort of place that sells gifts and knickknacks for your home. And it was a glass dip pen that came with a well of ink. And I was like, that is beautiful and I want to own it. And I bought it for myself. And the first time that I actually tried to

• 6:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  write with it, it was a glass. Like a handmade glass pen that you would dip into the well. And the very first time I tried to write with it, it felt so awful to me that that then became just a desk decoration.

• 6:18Holly Frey?

  I have a mix rate like Tina, I have different kinds that I like. And I will tell you, I am the person who buys the old school Bic crystal ballpoint with purple ink in bulk.

• 6:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 6:37Holly Frey?

  I'm like, send me that bulk thing. I want my purple ink. I like the way a Bic ballpoint rolls. They're pretty consistent. Those are my scribblers. And then my, my next thing is so specific and odd. I have passed through, as I'm sure you have, many pens over the years where I'm like, this is my current favorite, right? For a long time, I liked the Pilot Thick Ink Rollerball. Great. But right now, it's so silly and it's been this for a little over like a year and a half now, I think. There is a pen, I don't know who manufactures it, but it is a Lego.

• 7:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 7:17Holly Frey?

  Lightsaber gel pen. That is the one.

• 7:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:24Holly Frey?

  It is smooth as silk. I have many colors. Anytime I'm in a situation where I can buy one, I buy five. Like, I love them so much. My only criticism is that there's a little screw top on the end of the barrel where the, the actual like ink stick is inserted. And the threads on that can fail and it can crack. And that makes me bananas. You will find around my house, many bodge together pens because I cannot give the pen up, even though it has had a structural failure. Oh, the obsession.

• 8:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  One of the favorite pens that I had that has now run out of ink. One, I think the last trip that I took prior to the start of the pandemic, not the cruise that I was on when the pandemic started. I've told that story on the show many times. But you and I and several of our coworkers all went on a trip not long before that that was related to an advertiser. And the pen that they gave us for free with our little packet of materials, I loved. It wrote really beautifully. It felt really good in my hands. I was very into it.

• 8:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  And when it ran out of ink, if I'm remembering correctly, I sat there studying it, trying to figure out like, what is the source of this pen? Where can I get another one? And I did not, I did not figure it out. I was unsuccessful.

• 9:06Holly Frey?

  Did you ever consider? And I know this is crazy, but it's the kind of thing I would do. Reaching out to that advertiser and being like, yo, I got this pen on this little adventure. Do you have a warehouse full of them somewhere?

• 9:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I did not do that. I did not.

• 9:26Holly Frey?

  I bet they, I bet they do. There is somewhere an admin assistant with the key to the premiums closet, who is like, ma'am, let me hook you up.

• 9:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  I might confirm that I am not conflating it with a different source of pen. This is where I remember that one coming from, but I, it's always possible to be wrong, to remember things incorrectly after that many years. But yeah. Anyway, I really like it when a random thing in the world sparks my interest, whether it is pens or the poison control system, or, or a random person who's, who, you know, I stumble across a historical marker or one little sign in a museum or something like that. And I go, what is that about? And it becomes a whole episode. It's one of my favorite things to happen on this show.

• 10:16Holly Frey?

  I feel like that's life.

• 10:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:18Holly Frey?

  Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't. I'm never not going like, where did that come from? What is it? My, my almost, it would be a peeve if it had not become so funny. Among my friend group is when, you know, you'll be out somewhere and someone will be like, huh, I wonder who invented this style of cheese slicer? And I'm always like, if only there were a magic box in our pocket that could tell us so. Like I, I never wanna, I never have the, I wonder if and look off into space. And I was like, looking it up, looking it up. When people think I'm walking and texting, I'm probably looking up like, what style of flower is that? What kind of thing is this? Who designed this building? Like, I'm such an information hound that I never stop looking things up.

• 11:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  I've started having this while watching TikTok.

• 11:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  People will either reference a thing and I'm like, I don't know what that's about. Or there will be mentioned, it will be, you know, somebody who's made a video about the history of something. And I don't know if they are correct or not. And I will close TikTok and go start looking stuff up for myself.

• 11:24Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 11:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I'm always laughing at giant ostrich plume quills.

• 11:31Holly Frey?

  I mean, they're fun.

• 11:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  They are very fun. They would be challenging to write with if you were trying to do that because of the air resistance against the big fluffy plumage.

• 11:43Holly Frey?

  Yeah, yeah. I think we had one of those at our wedding for the guest book, as do many people.

• 11:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah, sure, sure.

• 11:50Holly Frey?

  As do many people. But it is also like a mythology that is perpetuated by a lot of period film and television where, you know, someone's like, I must sign my name. And they whip out a quill pen that's got a

• 12:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  gigantic pill.

• 12:07Holly Frey?

  Feather plumage, like as far as the eye can see.

• 12:13Holly Frey?

  It makes me giggle, but yeah.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  First thought is like, wow, how are we going to do all this?

• 12:21Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 12:42Speaker 02

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• 12:49Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 12:56Speaker 03

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• 13:02Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 13:05Speaker 03

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• 13:10Speaker 02

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• 14:26Holly Frey?

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• 15:08Holly Frey?

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• 15:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Guess who's back in the house? The old gays return for season two of Silver Linings, their hit podcast from iHeart's Ruby Studio in partnership with ViiV Healthcare. Just wait until you hear what hosts Robert McMillan and Jess A have in store this time around. They strut back down memory lane navigating life, love, loss, and everything that shaped them along the way. And as usual, someone just might break into song. From leather bars to bathhouses, dance floors to drag brunch, nothing stays off limits. These are the kinds of insights that can only come from experience. So listen to your elders, honey, and discover the silver linings you can take with you. All sass, zero filter, and decades of perspective from four friends proving that queer joy

• 16:14Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 16:34Holly Frey?

  We talked about Edwin Armstrong this week.

• 16:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yep.

• 16:37Holly Frey?

  Which ended on a sad note. But also, he's pretty cool. He's gotten so much recognition posthumously within the science community and specifically engineering, even if a lot of laypeople don't really know much about him, which is nice to know. His colleagues all recognized his brilliance. We didn't talk a lot about, one of the things that I thought was really charming about him, we mentioned in the 1920s that he suddenly made a boatload of money, which he spent largely reinvesting in science. But one of the things he did as an indulgence was he went to Europe and bought fast cars.

• 17:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 17:19Holly Frey?

  Because he really liked cars. And that was just one of the things where he was like, I'm gonna spend some money on this. And I'm like, I respect it.

• 17:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 17:27Holly Frey?

  I respect it. This episode, and thinking about FM and AM, gave me so many memories to growing up when streaming didn't exist.

• 17:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Yeah. I mostly had one memory, which is that when I was in elementary school, I acquired, at what was effectively a yard sale, a toy plush dog that had a radio in its belly. And also came with a little brush, because it was kind of a long-haired dog, you could brush the dog's hair.

• 18:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  So if you brush the dog's hair while listening to the AM radio that was embedded in its belly, it would just make ongoing static in time with the brush strokes of brushing.

• 18:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  And there was a tree in our backyard that had, it had kind of grown out in a, in an angle and it had a place that I like to go up there and sit and I would go up there and sit with my radio dog and listen to the AM radio and brush its fur with the brush.

• 18:37Holly Frey?

  Okay, because I can't stop myself, I immediately looked up dog plush AM radio.

• 18:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 18:45Holly Frey?

  There were different breeds you could buy.

• 18:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, really?

• 18:48Holly Frey?

  And I'm real tempted to buy a poodle.

• 18:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 18:53Holly Frey?

  Will I ever listen to the radio on it? Probably not, but ooh, I like that. They're not super pricey either. Pretty exciting.

• 19:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:02Holly Frey?

  That's very funny, though, the idea that you're inadvertently like changing.

• 19:07Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 19:07Holly Frey?

  Creating more static.

• 19:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  It, it looked a lot like this one that just came up on eBay with like kind of wild hair. So yeah, AM radio is still around. There are still people listening to it. Working for, iHeart means that like when we get newsletters about stuff, sometimes we get newsletters about things that are related to radio. And I remember getting one that was about the requirement for AM radios still to be in new vehicles.

• 19:41Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  In part because AM radio was one of the ways that you can get here in the United States, broadcasts from the emergency broadcast system when there is some kind of emergency. And that stuck in my head. It was not that long ago.

• 19:57Holly Frey?

  Yeah, we've gotten a kajillion emails about it, which you're probably filtering some of because it is a significant amount.

• 20:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  This is a lot of emails, yeah.

• 20:05Holly Frey?

  My memories about AM radio and FM radio and radio listening in general are all very tied to my youth, right? Like I remember. The big one is that I remember for a long time, my dad was really into classic cars. So we did not have modern vehicles, which meant all of the radios in the vehicles were AM. And I, he would drive me to ballet initially twice a week and then six days a week because

• 20:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 20:32Holly Frey?

  Some of us become obsessive. And I remember we would have to be like tuning into AM stations. And when I started ballet at the age of nine, I pretty much let him make those decisions. And as I hit my early teen years and I had an FM radio at home and I knew what was available.

• 20:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:52Holly Frey?

  Musically, I wanted to hear music that I was into. And I remember trying to tune around all the time and being frustrated as I'll get out at having to like find the AM station that would play contemporary.

• 21:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:07Holly Frey?

  Charting music. And I just, I, it's such a distinct part of my youth that I remember sitting in.

• 21:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:15Holly Frey?

  That 67 Pontiac Le Mans futzing with the radio nonstop. It's like ingrained in my soul.

• 21:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Holly Frey?

  And then arguing about the songs.

• 21:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I think probably would have been tricky because it seems like AM radio is more focused on like talk radio because it's clearer with spoken voices than music.

• 21:40Holly Frey?

  Right. Music does not play great on AM. Nowadays, it's better than it certainly was when Armstrong was doing his work, but.

• 21:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:49Holly Frey?

  FM is a clearer, sharper. That's usually considered the high fidelity.

• 21:58Holly Frey?

  We've all done it. Tumble down an internet rabbit hole trying to self diagnose. And sometimes doing our own research can leave us more anxious than informed. Your feed is packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge, protein max, detox, track your sleep. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? What's just wrong? That's exactly what Health vs. Hype from the American Medical Association and iHeart Media's Ruby Studio. Is here to find out. Each episode, Emmy nominated science communicator Trace Dominguez, who's racked up billions of views across PBS, Discovery Channel, and YouTube, talks to doctors, influencers, and real people trying these trends. Not to cancel them, not to hype them more,

• 22:42Holly Frey?

  but to actually understand them. Because when it comes to your health, who you listen to matters. Start asking better questions and listen to Help Versus Hype on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 23:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  Guess who's back in the house? The old gays return for season two of Silver Linings, their hit podcast from iHeart's Ruby Studio in partnership with ViiV Healthcare. Just wait until you hear what hosts Robert McMillan and Jessa have in store this time around. They strut back down memory lane, navigating life, love, loss, and everything that shaped them along the way. And as usual, someone just might break into song. From leather bars to bathhouses, dance floors to drag brunch, nothing stays off limits. These are the kinds of insights that can only come from experience. So listen to your elders, honey, and discover the silver linings you can take with you. All sass, zero filter, and decades of perspective from four friends

• 23:45Tracy V. Wilson?

  proving that queer joy only gets better with age on the podcast that never gets old. Listen to Silver Linings, available on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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• 26:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  My dad's car had a CB radio in there, and my grandfather's car, his dad's car, also a CB radio. I never really learned to use the CB radio. I never really learned much about the like CB slang and lingo and etiquette. But what I do remember is whenever we were on road trips, we would hear the truckers warning each other about where the speed traps were

• 26:38Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 26:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  over that CB radio. Not exactly the same thing as a radio station to listen to.

• 26:45Holly Frey?

  The other thing I thought about while working on this episode was DeForest as an example of someone who just stumbled into success.

• 26:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 26:54Holly Frey?

  And then believed himself to be at the same level as people in his field who clearly knew a lot more than him.

• 27:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 27:03Holly Frey?

  And how infuriating I would have found that to deal with.

• 27:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 27:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  I found the Supreme Court case frustrating.

• 27:14Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 27:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  For obvious reasons. And, you know, because of parallels to more recent cases where, you know, there has been an expert, many experts have written amicus briefs on something. And then the decision goes in the opposite way of those expert opinions. And that was sort of what that reminded me of. And we got to the part about him trying to return his,

• 27:39Holly Frey?

  Uh huh.

• 27:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  his award and everybody like refusing to take the award back. Part of me was like, did you, had those people written amicus briefs on his behalf for the Supreme Court cases? How did they feel about that? If so, probably angry.

• 27:56Holly Frey?

  I don't know. I do know they were giving, there were a lot of people giving statements like to the press about, we all know he invented this. We all know, listen to the testimony. I mean, it really is like, no, the Audion is a magical wonder. We haven't figured out what it can do and how it works yet. And then somebody who's like, yes, we can. Here's how, here's the circuitry that I had published two years ago about it. Here's everything like it.

• 28:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 28:27Holly Frey?

  I, at that point, it's one of those things where like, you shouldn't even need an amicus brief. One of these men understands this science and one of these men kind of comes off as a ding dong. Who's like, I don't know, you touch the wires together. Like it's really.

• 28:43Holly Frey?

  The fact that he describes it as having, you know, this phenomena as being a wonder that can't be understood is like, do you think ghosts are doing this? Like, what? It's so weird.

• 28:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's the small creatures living in the radio set.

• 28:59Holly Frey?

  Kind of. I mean, it does feel like that sort of level of like, I just don't know. We can never underst- we, it's the unknowable. And it's like, no, we know. We all know. We all know. This guy figured it out. We've tested it. We know. We know. And then again, the justice is going, do we tho- I don't think we do know. I think he put the wires in the light bulb first. It's his. And it's like, oh, so I can understand how they were all super frustrated. I do like, though, that the entire field rallied around him and it didn't in that moment, impact his standing.

• 29:33Holly Frey?

  It certainly, you know, meant that he, he got cheated out of some money, but he was still very wealthy at that point. So it probably didn't feel as painful, other than just his pride.

• 29:44Holly Frey?

  Radio. Now I just keep thinking about all the Scatella songs. This is what we do anyway. If you're coming up on your weekend, whether you listen to the radio or some other form of entertainment, or maybe you don't get to do any of that, and I'm sorry, but if you do get to do some things for yourself, I hope they are so delightful, super enjoyable, leave you feeling relaxed, rejuvenated, recharged, at peace as much as possible in our very, very wild world right now. If you don't have time off, I still hope you get to do something fun and maybe listen to something that you enjoy as you commute, if you commute, or just, you know, wherever you can. And that I hope everyone eats something delicious. I hope everyone that loves cake has cake this weekend.

• 30:29Holly Frey?

  That's my wish for the world and that we all are as kind to each other as we can possibly manage. We will be right back here tomorrow with a classic episode. And then on Monday, we will have something brand new.

• 30:45Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 33:05Tracy V. Wilson?

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