Teamsters Union President Targets Amazon - Sean O’Brien | PBD Podcast | 665

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Teamsters President Sean O’Brien in a fiery conversation about unions, capitalism, and the future of American workers. They debate corporate greed, 1099 jobs, small business realities, and Sean’s shocking take on Amazon, Uber, and Karl Marx. Plus, the viral Senate fight, Trump call, and RNC speech that made headlines. ------ 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:56Speaker 02

  Who is the enemy? The enemy now is corporate America. People are sick of the corporate greed. They're sick of being victim to the bottom line of a balance sheet. They are despicable on what they do to working people. That's a little crazy. No, it's not crazy. Tell me more. It's not crazy at all because, look, think about it. Unions built this country. And more importantly, union jobs have better productivity than non-union. You know, Sean, you're pushing me so much where you're not thinking about. I don't know. I don't agree with that. I don't. I know you don't agree with that. But what I'm saying to you is if we go to a hotel that's union, it is a pain in the ass to work with them. Well, I got to control the narrative to make sure it's right. I totally get it, but you're also control guys. You are. We are. No, no, we are, of course. I'm not denying it. I'm just, I'm not. That's why they're all signing union cards out here.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  When my mother calls me up and she says, oh, my God, I saw you on TV today. You were fighting with that senator. You stand your butt up.

• 1:45Speaker 03

  Oh, hold on. No, stop it.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  Is that your solution?

• 1:49Speaker 03

  No, no, sit down.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  I don't like you because you described yourself.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  Hold it.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  And she goes, oh, that's real, real nice, real nice, Sean. I go, why? What do you mean? She goes, you just got us all audited. Like, seriously, can you believe it?

• 2:25Speaker 02

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 2:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 2:30Speaker 02

  My son's right, brother.

• 2:31Speaker 05

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 2:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Sean O'Brien, how are you?

• 2:40Speaker 02

  I'm doing well, sir. How are you?

• 2:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Fantastic. So youngest Teamster boss.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  We like to not use the term "boss." I'm a union leader.

• 2:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You speak like a boss.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Well, I try and be a boss. I was brought up by a boss, my mother.

• 2:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, your mother?

• 2:55Speaker 02

  She's a boss, you know? Straight up boss.

• 2:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I want to hear all about it. For me, the most interesting thing about this is, normally when you hear "union," you hear, you know, they're the enemy of the capitalist, right? They're the enemy of the business owner. However, this time around, in 121 years, first time, the president of Teamster speaks at the RNC, and you guys offered to speak at the DNC, but they didn't give back. They didn't give you the invite. How do you go, first time in 121 years, that the president of the Teamster speaks at the RNC? How does that happen?

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, think about it this way. You made a good point. You know, times have changed. Our membership is very diverse. Political positions historically were with Democrats. I'm a Democrat, but, you know, I'm not a, you know, far-left Democrat. And our members have been changing political affiliations. So our goal was always to work bipartisan across the aisle to get some things done in this country. And that's why we spoke at the RNC. They invited us. I would have gave that same exact speech at the DNC if we were invited. It wasn't a partisan speech at all. It was about American workers and how valuable we are. But you made a good comment earlier

• 4:12Speaker 02

  about, you know, capitalists always, you know, kind of shied away from us. And, you know, we were an impediment to what their agenda was. I don't look at it that way now. I look at it as where their conscience moving forward. You know, they're making a lot of money. They uh, they don't reward the people that make them the success they are. So um, I look at it as where their conscience now, not an impediment.

• 4:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me ask you this. Do you believe a capitalist can do anything to never need a union?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  No, there's always a need for a union. There's no doubt. It's just a matter of, you know, the capitalist society looks at unions as, you know, uh, we're their checks and balances, right? So if we're in the middle and we're negotiating a contract, we're representing their workers. They're control freaks for the most part. And they don't wanna have to answer to anybody but themselves and their stockholders.

• 5:06Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the capitalist.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Capitalist, hundred percent. And you know, they're gonna fight and kick and scream to keep us out. But you know, we've proven, we've organized ninety thousand new members in three years, uh, my union alone. And it's because of, you know, people are sick of the corporate greed, they're sick of being, you know, a victim to the bottom line of a balance sheet. And uh, you know, I tell you, during covid, you always look for a positive situation that comes out of a bad situation, right? And covid, especially in the Teamsters Union, in my union, we're one point three million members. We represent everybody from airline pilots to zookeepers. And through the pandemic, we provided goods and services through this, through this country. Whether it was delivering packages, medical supplies, whether it was flying medical supplies all over the country, whatever the case was,

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Teamsters were in there picking your trash up. So we were deemed essential workers. And we were deemed as heroes during that time. You know, we love the Teamsters Union, we love our UPS driver, we love, you know, our trash people, we love the people that are stocking the shelves. As soon as covid was over and these corporations made record profits.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  You know, they forgot about how they made those record profits. They forgot about the people that provided the goods and services that risked their health and the well-being of themselves to provide those services. And we've done a great job of reminding corporations and America on how valuable the American worker is, how valuable the unionized workforce is. And I'm excited, I'm proud, and you know, we have done a lot of good work in this country. We're gonna continue to do a lot of good work. And you're always gonna get people that disagree with you, that don't like what you're doing. But that's an insecurity on that part. You know, they should embrace the reality. We're not going away and we're gonna be around forever.

• 6:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's interesting when you say insecurity, because for you, the story I hear, and I'd love for you to validate the story, is when you guys first gave the story to the RNC, what speech you were gonna give, they came back and they said, hey, these couple things are not gonna work, you guys, I'm not gonna do it.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, so what happened was, you know, preparation for our RNC, and I'm gonna tell you, like, it was all new to me, right? So we, my team, myself, we worked on the speech for about six weeks prior to the actual week before the RNC, when you had to submit your speech. And, you know, we were working on it four or five hours a day, and I'm a control freak. You know, I need to know exactly what's going on. I'm like, that does not sound like me, we're taking that out. So when we get the final draft done, we send it over to the RNC, and they come back with all these edits. And I'm like, we're reading it, my team and I were going through it, and I'm like, I'm not, I'm not giving that speech. And they were making suggestions too, on like, what we should be saying and not saying. So I reached out to Susie Wiles at the time, and I said, look, I'll be honest with you,

• 7:50Speaker 02

  I appreciate the invite, but I am not gonna say something I don't mean. And she's like, what are you talking about? I said, they want me to change my speech all around. She goes, Sean, you know what? Just call, uh, call Trump and tell him what's going on. So I called Trump, and I said, look, all due respect, I'm not changing my speech. He's like, this is exact words, Sean, I don't give a fuck what you say, say what you want. And I'm like, alright. And that's a true story. And I, uh, I went there and I delivered the speech, and it was funny when delivering the speech. You know, you're talking to a crowd that really hasn't embraced us. And, you know, I went up there originally and it was like two days prior to that, he got shot.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  And so my initials are S O B, Sean O'Brien, S O B.

• 8:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Well, son of a bitch, well, son of a bitch, or however you want to say it. And so I'm walking up to, to, to give the speech and I'm like, I gotta, I gotta start this off right. And I said, whether you like him or you don't like him, there's no denying the fact of what he went through the past 48 hours, he's one tough S O B. Standing ovation, everything's good. And then I start whacking capitalism, I start whacking corporate America.

• 9:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You're funny.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Right? So, so then you.

• 9:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Win them over first.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, win them over, bring them in, give them a hug and then slap them, right? And so what I'm watching the dynamics and, you know, the, the, the opening statement that I'm getting all these claps and accolades. And then after I start whacking, you know, some of these corporations and all this stuff. Like they were looking around, they were confused whether they should be clapping or not clapping. It was actually pretty comical, but all in all, I, I mean, I had a blast, I had a blast.

• 9:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Who'd you, who'd you run into there? Like who came to you and said, great speech, Sean? Like actually like capitalists?

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Oh, there was corporations there that we deal with that, you know, we have good relationships with like United Apostle Service was there. Uh, McDonald's, for instance, they're big, big supporters of Republican Party. Um, but we have a, we have, uh, uh, we have a huge presence of delivering and supplying McDonald's. So they came like, hey, that was a great speech, uh, you know, and, and there's a lot of responsible people that were there. But, you know, there's some people that were giving me the stink eye the next day, you know, walking around in Wisconsin.

• 10:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So I, so I gotta, I, I want to go a completely different direction with this interview. And of course I want to know, you know, all the other stuff, because I know the story. It's an incredible story, remarkable story. But, uh, you know, I've had a lot of mobsters on the podcast. I've had Sammy DeBol, Frank Calata, Michael Francis, you know, Phil Leonetti, uh, uh, Ralph Natale, John Elite. I've had all these guys. I've had John Gotti Jr. On, we just had dinner a couple of months ago, a couple of weeks ago in Boca. I've had those guys, I've had the business guys, I've had the politicians, right? And I kind of watch everybody. And I watch you and I ask the question, I'm like.

• 10:39Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy is a president of the Teamsters, okay, youngest. Your father was a member of Local 25. Your grand, your, your fourth generation, if I'm not mistaken.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 10:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? And so, and you have a very high level of admiration for your father. You wanted to be your father, do what he did. There was a, you said there was a best friend relationship.

• 10:59Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Between the two of you. And so, how much of you doing this was because your family was a part of it?

• 11:06Speaker 02

  Well, it was so prevalent in my life. I mean, where we grew up, um, you know, four generations, uh, three generations of Teamsters while we were kids. Everything in our life, every situation involved the Teamsters Union somehow, some way. If you went to a birthday party, chances are you're going, you're friends with my father's friends, their kids, you're at a birthday party, you're talking about the Teamsters Union, you go to a wedding, talking about the Teamsters Union, you go to wakes and funerals, you're talking about the Teamsters. And I gotta be honest with you, um, my father was a diehard, diehard Union man, which I am as well. He never held off as he worked a rank and file job every single day, but he was so passionate and committed to the organization, taught us about loyalty. I have two brothers and my mother is probably the rock of the family.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  And where we grew up, you're either gonna be Teamsters, cops, firemen, or longshoremen. And so, you know, it was just so prevalent in our, in our neighborhoods, in our communities. And, uh, that's all I ever wanted to do in my life. I loved it. I loved the organization, I loved the camaraderie, um, and I love the fact that through the good times and the bad times growing up, that organization never wave it. The Teamsters Union never wave it on, on us, my family, uh, or the community. So I'm like, this is, this is what I wanna do. This is who I wanna be.

• 12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Who, who was the enemy? Who is the enemy or was the enemy?

• 12:22Speaker 02

  Well, there's a lot of enemies out there. I mean, uh.

• 12:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm talking specific to a Teamster president or member. Who's the enemy?

• 12:29Speaker 02

  So when I was growing up, the enemy in 1980 was the legislatures who introduced and passed bipartisan deregulation of the trucking industry.

• 12:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the 400,000 jobs.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  400,000 jobs, yeah. So that was the enemy back then, and it was funny. People weren't calling out politicians back then. You know, they weren't calling anybody out. It was like, these are the most powerful people. They get to do what they want. My thought process is, we're the most powerful people. We provide the goods and services. We keep America moving. And had if we, if I was able to roll this, I don't want to wish my life away, but had I been in a position I was now in nineteen eighty when that happened, I would have been fighting and kicking and screaming in the streets about how bad this is for working people, how bad it was for the

• 13:17Patrick Bet-David?

  At who?

• 13:18Speaker 02

  At, at who? At Congress, at the Senate.

• 13:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, Got it.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  They, they introduced this legislation. I mean, the Kennedy is so prevalent in Massachusetts. Uh, Ted Kennedy introduced a land, introduced a bill, bipartisan bill. Joe Biden was the senator, signed off on it. You know, and, and so that was, I, my opinion back then, that was the enemy. The enemy now is corporate America. Um, and not all of them, but you know, the corporations like Amazon. Amazon, for instance, I mean, they, they are despicable on what they do to working people. They're despicable how they treat their people. And, you know, that's probably the biggest enemy we have right now.

• 13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So today, your number one enemy would be Amazon?

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 13:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and what would you like to see with Amazon? Because I know Amazon was trying to go to New York. They were going to bring twenty-five thousand jobs at an average salary of one fifty. AOC wasn't for it. de Blasio wasn't for it. Andrew Cuomo was like, listen, guys, let them come here. Eventually Bezos backed out and took those twenty-five thousand jobs to a different place.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but those twenty-five thousand jobs aren't real jobs. They, they're not careers. Like you look at a company like UPS, which we fight with constantly, but you know, we, we, we have a collective bargaining relationship. But there's three hundred and forty thousand people that work at UPS that do the same job as all these people in Amazon. You start out part-time, then there's an opportunity to go to full-time. You're getting free healthcare because we negotiated pensions. You're getting the opportunity to a career path. At Amazon, there's a hundred and fifty percent turnover ratio. So those twenty-five thousand jobs aren't career jobs.

• 14:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Are these W two jobs with Amazon or ten ninety-nine jobs?

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Well, if you're part-time working inside the facility, you're a W two.

• 14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  But if you're outside delivering packages, you're a ten ninety-nine independent contractor. That's how they're hiding behind, you know, us going into organizing. But we've had some success. Organizing the third-party leasing arrangements, which are the independent contractor model, where Amazon will say, hey, we have nothing to do with the drivers, but you know, they'll mandate that the contractors who hire these drivers, wear the uniforms, buy the vehicles, follow the policies and procedures. So we got a very favorable decision recently in California that recognized that they are, there is a, there is a direct relationship with Amazon.

• 15:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me, let me, let me unpack this. So Facebook hired a company that moderated, that watched what people were posting online. And anytime something would come out and they would say, that wasn't really us, it's the company that we hired to moderate, right? And they're the ones that are watching the conversations. You're saying Amazon hired another company that they gave them the drivers, almost like a Walmart hiring a transportation company that does the loads, so it's not their own, I'm just speculating if they did that. You're saying those guys should be treated on W2 standards even though they're 1099?

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 16:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you say that? That's a little crazy.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  No, it's not crazy. No.

• 16:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me more.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  It's not crazy at all, because look, think about it. You know, you have these, Amazon, they make you buy the vehicle from them.

• 16:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  They make the contract, they make the drivers wear their uniforms.

• 16:21Patrick Bet-David?

  They make you buy the vehicle from Amazon?

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 16:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  You have to lease the vehicle from Amazon.

• 16:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  You have to follow the policies and procedures that Amazon puts forward. You have to wear the uniform, you have to basically do everything they tell you, but you're not getting a W2 from Amazon. You're getting the 1099 from wherever it's coming from.

• 16:38Patrick Bet-David?

  XYZ.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  XYZ, yeah, whatever, whatever that LLC is at that time. And it's just a scam to keep the union out. And, and, and protect against liability as well.

• 16:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so are you saying the 25,000 jobs in New York were those jobs? Or you're not sure what those jobs were?

• 16:55Speaker 02

  No, we weren't sure what they were. I mean, they probably could have been corporate jobs.

• 16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Uh, which, you know, doesn't help us at all.

• 17:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why is that?

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Well, because I mean, you're gonna put 25,000 management people there, they're not, you know, they're not gonna be unionized. I mean, I think what they were trying to do at that time to make Amazon a major hub, uh, and that's where they would develop all their strategies and technologies and everything else. So, you know. I think that's why there was a push by the AOCs of the world to saying we don't want them in here because they're really not real jobs for the constituents we represent.

• 17:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So then let's go to the conversation with Uber and Lyft. I don't know if you remember, I don't know how long ago this was. This could have been six years ago, five years ago, four years ago, where there was talks about trying to get Uber drivers and Lyft drivers to get benefits and get paid by the hour and then, you know, they went all the way out. I don't know how far along, Rob, if you want to zoom in, I don't remember the exact details. You know, Sean, I'm sure you got more of it. Yeah, Sean, Uber and Lyft had recently agreed a landmark California deal that allows their drivers to unionize, a significant departure from their previous stance to fight unionization. So in this part, what did you guys want to see happen with Uber and Lyft? Because I know you had an opinion about this as well.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we weren't in favor of this because it's a masquerade. I mean, it's really not a union. They don't have a collective bargaining agreement. And these people are independent contractors. Now, Uber and Lyft, when they came into the world, was it, you know, they eliminated basically cab drivers, right? When they came in, their biggest play has been all along, they want autonomous vehicles. So at some point in time, you know, with all these Gavin Newsom's of the world and all these people that are supposed to be helping work and people vetoing human operators in vehicles, you're gonna see at some point, those jobs are gonna go away if they're allowed to, you know, use the Waymos of the world. And I think Waymo just recently partnered up with Uber or Lyft or one of them.

• 18:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I just saw Waymo the other day. It's very weird seeing Waymos.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think there was some sort of collaboration, right, with the apps or whatever it is.

• 19:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, there you go. So it's a collaboration, partnership in Phoenix, Austin and Atlanta.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Right. So you see Waymo, you see it in San Francisco, no drivers. I mean, if they're allowed to do this, they can say they're unionized, they can say they provide an insurance, but there's no real collective bargaining agreement. And who are you negotiating with? Like, when I negotiate a contract, I negotiate with UPS or Cisco or anybody. I'm sitting across from the table with the employer. These people are still ten ninety-nine independent contractors. Who am I sitting across the table from negotiating these contracts? Who's gonna be paying for these benefits? And if you talk to any of these Uber or Lyft drivers, which I do all the time, they'll tell you how bad it is as far as the split. You know, as far as they used to get seventy-five percent of the trip. Now they're like sixty, forty in some cases, or fifty, fifty.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  So each year, they just keep chipping away at the profits that these independent contractors are making. And, you know, it's a race to the bottom. And I don't, I don't see how we negotiate, or who we negotiate with.

• 20:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So you're, what do you think should happen to a ten ninety-nine Uber or Lyft driver?

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Well, I think Uber and Lyft should make them direct employees, right?

• 20:16Patrick Bet-David?

  That would be tough.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  No, they got plenty of money. I mean, Kamala Harris's brother-in-law, what's he like, the general counsel there?

• 20:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  I mean, he's a big union guy supposedly. He's a big for workers. Mandate that these people are direct employees. And then, you know, you look at it, you're gonna have a continuity of the workforce if you make them direct employees.

• 20:34Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you do that, though? Walk me through how you do that.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  All they do is have to purchase the vehicles off the people that are on the Uber app right now. Make them direct employees, sit down and bargain.

• 20:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, but let's just say if I'm somebody that wants to Uber for one hour a month.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Well, you can always negotiate the terms and conditions and the schedules and everything else. You're talking about the flexibility?

• 20:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, what if I, I don't wanna be under a union? What if I'm a driver and I don't wanna be controlled by a union? I don't want, I wanna be able to do whatever I wanna do. I don't want a W two salary. I want it to be ten ninety-nine. Cause a lot of people also don't want to be part of it, right? The counterargument to this, cause I think in certain places, it's very effective, union. But I think in certain places, it can be a disruptor as well. Where it causes the business to say, you know, Sean, you're pushing me so much. Where you're not thinking about.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't agree with that. I don't.

• 21:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I know you don't agree with that, but what I'm saying to you is, make the, so do you think ten ninety-nine should exist at all?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  There shouldn't, no, there should be no ten ninety-nine.

• 21:34Patrick Bet-David?

  There should be no ten ninety-nine?

• 21:35Speaker 02

  No, why?

• 21:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding?

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Well, let me ask some, you're ten ninety-nine, you're ten ninety-nine, right?

• 21:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So how does that work in real estate?

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Well, you got all these, look at real estate, perfect example. Look at, by the time a real estate agent gets paid after you're paying up, or everybody's taking their fee, what are they actually doing? What are they getting? I mean, your average person that works for Century 21, or whatever, you don't think they would benefit from having continuity, having known exactly what they were gonna make? I mean, I get the 1099 argument, and this is just my opinion. I think if I'm working, providing a service, I should be getting paid by an employer.

• 22:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, then what if a business owner, so, okay, so, then put the argument into a small business owner. I open up a small market liquor store, okay? Should I be guaranteed a salary by the government as well?

• 22:22Speaker 02

  I don't understand what you mean.

• 22:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, exactly. So what I'm saying is, like, if you're saying a 1099, realtor puts 60 hours a week for a year. He sells three properties. And let's just say he makes $38,000 first year. Second year, he goes, he puts 80 hours a week, works nonstop for the year, makes $220,000 second year. Third year, he goes, does the same thing, makes a half a million dollars. 1099, not W2. So he's making whatever he's making. Another guy that's there, is kinda lollygagging, doesn't make the calls, doesn't drive as much as he wants, you know? And he doesn't make it in real estate. He's filtered out, goes through a different business, and ends up becoming an employee, not a 1099. I don't think 1099's for everybody.

• 23:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Business owner. So what is the risk to a business owner? Who has more risk? The business owner or the W2? The business owner or the 1099? What is the guarantee for the business owner? It doesn't exist.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Well, he can negotiate, everything's negotiable.

• 23:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Not for a business owner.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Well, the business owner, I mean, if, I'll tell you this, it's funny. A lot of these business owners and small businesses, we deal with a lot of small businesses all over the country, and we recognize, you know, I think there's a misconception in society that we come in there and we wanna hurt businesses. That's further from the truth. We actually wanna help grow businesses. No, not really. It's, you got a lot of greedy employers that say, when you're chipping into their profits, they take it so personal, like, why are you coming after me? And nine out of 10 times, and this is the truth, we don't solicit people to join the union. We wait for people to come to us saying, I'm having a problem, my employer, they're making all this money, they're treating us horrible.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  That's when we'll go and get involved. So, you know, people can say whatever they want, they can have their narrative. But unions built this country. Unions are responsible for the bridges, the roads, all the infrastructure. And, you know, it's proven and there's statistics out there that union jobs are more productive than non-union. Union jobs are more safe than non-union, and more importantly, union jobs have better productivity than non-union. So, there's a lot of value there. When people push back so hard, like the Amazons of the world and, you know.

• 24:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not talking about Amazon.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  No, but I'm saying, I'm using that as an example.

• 24:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  There's a reason why they're pushing back. They do not want to lose control. They do not want to have their workers have. They don't want their workers to have a voice. They want to be able to dictate how people act. They want to control them. And they, they, they employ by fair. They employ by fair. If you don't do this, you're fired. If you don't do this, you're suspended. You know, when you have a union contract, you have just cause language, you have grievance and arbitration, dispute resolution.

• 25:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think the employee takes the job, though? If it's so bad, why do they, why do they?

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Well, some people.

• 25:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do so many people want to work there?

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Some people have no choice. You know, Amazon, you know, they focus on distressed communities.

• 25:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Can't they go work for UPS instead? Because you guys in the, in the argument.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Of course they could.

• 25:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You guys took the salary from one forty-five to one seventy, right? And then you also uh, challenged UPS to hire an additional twenty-two thousand, right? I think that's the number. If I'm mistaken, you can correct me.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, so there's, the twenty-two thousand is jobs that will, you know, people that retire uh, or, or leave. They have to, they have to, they have a commitment to fill twenty-two thousand of those jobs, but we also negotiate.

• 25:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Not new, it's to refill.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Refill, so we maintain, but we also created seventy-five hundred new jobs in, in the last year of the contract by combining two part-time jobs into one full-time job. So, you know, anybody that's a part-time will have the ability to secure one of those jobs.

• 25:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you, you count, if I have ten part-timers, you count that as five employees, five full-time?

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Would that count it that way? Like, yeah.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Right, okay.

• 26:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but go back to, go back to where I'm going with this, because you sound like a, you, you're, the, the part that makes you interesting is my, I'll tell you, well, my biggest concern is, and we can come back to this, and I really want to hear your thoughts on this, because I think, I want to know what leaks business owners have that they should be thinking about. And, and that is, you're seeing the price of home going like this, right? But the income is not increasing at the pace. And there is a disparity on what's causing this. Is it the fact that we went off the gold standard? And a wealthy was able to print money the way they were and it's easy to make money because you have access to a lot of debt? Is it that fact that we became a debt society so the rich knows how to... The rich kept getting richer and richer and richer and they're able to buy up a bunch

• 26:49Patrick Bet-David?

  of properties and maybe it makes it tougher for a middle America guy? I'm a guy that my dad was a 99 cent store cashier. So you see that how I joined the army. I was gonna do 20 years in the army and then I got out, I was gonna be a bodybuilder. Then I got introduced to a girl who worked on Morgan Stanley Dean where I went into the finance business. Then I went into the business. Then I made money. Then I made real money. Then I made real money, right? In the business. But for me, a part of this, when we're going back to the union side, the small business owner, stay on that one for me. If you're saying W2 should be protected by union, fine, because I know 10% of the workforce in America is union, if I'm not mistaken, some number like that.

• 27:30Patrick Bet-David?

  1099, okay, you have an argument. I have my own argument why I think 1099 needs to kind of be left alone. Some places, there's abuse with 1099. I don't think everywhere. But if you want to protect the 1099 and the W2, but the business owner that takes money off their mortgage to start a business, or takes all their money out of their 401K, they pay the additional early distribution fees and all that other stuff, they risk it all. They work seven days a week for five years to make that business work for no guarantee. What protection do they have? Isn't that the hardest thing to do in America?

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Look, I think there's risk versus reward with everything we do. And that's small business that takes a risk, you know, kudos to them and it's great. The last thing you want to do is hurt a small business and I understand that, but you know, the reality of it is, you know, the 1099...

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Has a lot of flaws in that because there's a lot of wage and hour violations. There's a lot of taxes that aren't being paid back to the states and the federal government. So although it might sound great because, you know, hey, I remortgaged my house, started this small business, I'm 1099 in people, I'm avoiding taxes. There's a lot of, there's a lot of accounting problems with that as well. And I'm not saying that, you know, people, you know, that start a small business, you know, we don't want to see them lose it. I mean, we represent a lot of small businesses. We partner up with a lot of small businesses. We know what they can afford, we know what they can't afford, and that's all negotiations. But some people just, you know, want to bastardize the system, and the system's broken right now.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  I mean, look at all these corporations that file bankruptcy, right? They'll file bankruptcy, and bankruptcy reform hasn't been touched in 30 years. Like, for us, you have companies that borrow a lot of money, right? And, and all of a sudden, like, you, Yellow Freight, for instance, 22,000 Teamsters. We gave back $5 billion in concessions from 2009 all the way up till they shut the doors. They were into Apollo for 600 million, right? The private equity firm. The government gave them a $700 million loan under the first Trump administration as a defense contractor. And prior to them shutting the doors, they gouged all the big wigs, gouged all their

• 29:50Speaker 02

  money, they took their bonuses, and then filed bankruptcy. And those workers, my members, that worked there, because the bankruptcy is so convoluted and, and, you know, pro employer, that we're still fighting today to get pension contributions, to get, you know, paid time that's owed to our members. The laws are so antiquated and corporate-friendly that we're the last line in creditors. So, you know, when we talk about small businesses, we talk about 1099, we've got to talk about corporate America as well as being deceitful and taking advantage of antiquated systems.

• 30:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I fully agree on the part that we used to have pension plans. We used to have a lot of retirement plans for companies. And Fortune did a story about 22 years ago, 23 years ago, about the fact that we went from having god knows how many, Rob, can you pull up the number of pension plans by year? The, the, the amount that declined is massive. And there was a story in 2003, 2004 about what United Airlines did with their pension plan. Catastrophic to the people that were working there. So part of me, and by the way.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  And we represent, we represent 10,000 of those mechanics at United.

• 31:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, okay. And again, I, I believe there is abuse in certain areas. Go up a little bit, Rob. Could you go a little bit up to see what it says right there? Choco in 2022. Yeah, I want to know the date of where was that. So I think a part of what you're saying is true. Where some guys are abused. But let me, let me ask you this. Sean, what do you think about Karl Marx? When you think about Karl Marx Communist Manifesto, what does the union think about Karl Marx?

• 31:27Speaker 02

  I don't, I mean, we, we don't focus on, on that, you know, we don't focus on that subject matter. We're focusing on, you know, organizing new members, right? Negotiating the strongest contracts and also negotiating pensions into those. The Teamsters pension plans are solvent throughout the whole country. We've got, majority of our members are in defined benefit plans. And the reason why employers were able to, again, get out of their obligations is because of the weak bankruptcy laws. Like you brought up United, those folks lost their pension.

• 32:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I know they did.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  Right?

• 32:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  And they're not the only ones. There's a lot of companies out there that, you know, did the same thing. But my point to all this is when there's no consequences in the bankruptcy laws, that's what people lose, right? And pension funds are guaranteed whether the economy is strong, whether the economy is weak. 401K, no one has ever successfully retired off a 401K. No one. I mean, I know people in 2009, when the crash happened, they retired from Polaroid. They had $500,000 in their, in their 401K or a million dollars in 401K. Within a day, their, their net worth wiped out 33% of the net worth. Guess what? People that retired thinking they were going to be able to live off that million bucks had to go back to work.

• 32:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But 401K is, is an added benefit.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Well, it's a supplemental benefit.

• 32:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's if companies, some companies do it right, some don't match at all, some do match. If a company is matching you. You know, you put four hundred bucks a month, they match you, you know, four percent, a hundred percent of it. That's free money. Take it because you're not gonna get it on a different place, right? There's some benefits to it, but that alone is not enough. I do believe there needs to be additional added stuff for people to.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  I got a better bad idea, right? That's my podcast.

• 33:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I know that, yeah.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  So what we do is we negotiate the pension.

• 33:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Right? In most of our major contracts. And we also have a 401K.

• 33:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  That's voluntary. Uh, but our goal is to not have our members take any money out of their pockets to invest in their retirement. Our goal is to work with the employer, negotiate a contract and have the employer pay into that pension fund on behalf of the people that are making their company a success. And I'm a prime example, okay? So I went to work as an apprentice, Teamsters Local 25 for a crane and rigging company. We had a pension and we had an annuity, okay? And I never ever had to worry about taking five, six, seven percent of my money out of my pocket to invest because I knew that the union negotiated a pension and a annuity in that contract.

• 34:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think ninety percent of people don't want union? For example.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  I don't know if ninety percent don't want union.

• 34:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, it's a big percentage that are not union, but I'll give you an example.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Look, there are some employers out there, I will, that treat their people right.

• 34:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's where I'm going with this. I guess where I wanted to go with this because, you know, I do events. We've been doing events the last twenty years. Sean, we probably spend somewhere between fifty to eighty million dollars on events, just events, every year. Okay, so audio visual, two million bucks. You know, staging, you know, seats and lighting and all this stuff. You spend a lot of money, hotel rooms. I gotta tell you, if we go to a hotel that's union, it is a pain in the ass to work with them. It is super difficult to work with them. And the hotel will say, by the way, wink wink, we're non-union, we're easy to work with.

• 35:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And they'll say like, let's just say your X, Y, Z hotel, he's A, B, C hotel. And you're non-union, he's union. They'll use that as a way to say, look, we're non-union. If you wanna work with us, we're easy to work with. Those three hotels you're looking at, we know how they are, they're union. Here's what they're gonna do to you, here's what they're gonna do with this, here's what they're gonna do with this. And then you'll say, okay, well, I'm gonna go here because this guy's got more space and he's got a bigger name. Then you go to them, like, man, this guy was right, I should come back here. Don't get me wrong, not all hotels who are union are abusive.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  I can't wait to do another event at a union hotel after this, they're gonna be looking at you.

• 35:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I know they are, but what I'm trying to tell you is, and the union have relationships with me. I openly talk about this all the time, it's not something I'm comfortable with.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I mean, you think about this, there's some areas that are densely unionized. And it's embraced, and it's part of the culture, right? You go other parts of the country where they don't have unions, it's cheaper. I mean, I get that argument, but to say like, hey, wink wink, no, no, they're non-union, we're gonna get better service. I disagree with that, we're in the trade show business. We, we, we work with Freeman Decorating, G E S, some of the biggest and best in the business. And the opinion on most people when they come to these trade shows or go to these trade shows is, again, my point. Our work is a trained better, our productivity is much better. Uh, and there's less, uh, um, stress put on the event because you got professionals doing it.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Um, you know, I don't buy into like, oh, it's cheaper.

• 36:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think all the union workers work as hard as you do or your peers?

• 36:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, the majority of them do, you know, you've always got, in any industry.

• 36:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  You've always got that 5% that have the same 5% of the problems, not showing up for work, being late. Uh, that's always gonna be that. Yeah, I think 95% of our members go in there every single day and they give it 100%.

• 36:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Man, listen.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  And look, there's like, me, I'm a perfect example. I was the biggest advocate, and I'm always gonna be an advocate for working people. And I was a shop steward.

• 36:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're a worker.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  I never went to work late, I never called in sick, because you gotta set the example.

• 37:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me put it to you.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  And I would tell, I would tell members that we're going down a bad path, listen. We retain the business. The employer is just, you know, the broker that when we go out there to provide a service, the people are going to rehire us because of us, not because of anybody else.

• 37:17Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're an honorable man, though. So to me...

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Ninety-five percent of the people are honorable.

• 37:20Patrick Bet-David?

  No, what I'm saying, I'm not saying they're not. Listen, I'm a guy that came up with the working. I'm not a guy that's not connected to... You know, this business has been around, this entire business you see here, from day one we started, 2013 till today, you know how much money I've taken off the table? This whole thing, this much. I don't pay myself a penny per year. I've never paid myself anything from this. If I go do a speaking gig, they pay me 350 for an hour. Nothing comes to me, goes all into the business. I don't take anything out. I pay our guys well.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  I know, they're all there. You know what we're doing right now?

• 37:49Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you doing?

• 37:50Speaker 02

  The whole staff was signing recognition cards to the team. They're gonna join, they're gonna join right now. He's laughing. He signed one. He signed one, yeah, yeah.

• 37:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But let me tell you, you know, one guy, one of my guys is like, "So, what if over here people team up and they want to do this and they want to do that?" So, listen, the way I see it is a completely different way. If I take care of you and we talk business openly with numbers, and you see how it works, and you're involved in the equity, you're involved in the upside of the business, you're involved in the, you know, an L tip, you're involved with 4.1. You're involved with profit sharing. You're getting paid as if you're a business owner. Why would you not be happy about it? So, our philosophy's always been the other way around. But I want to put it on you a little bit.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Let me see that paper for a minute. I'm not gonna read your writing, all right? I do this all the time. When we're talking to, when we're talking to people that want to join a union, and they'll have questions.

• 38:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  And people want information, they have questions. And they'll say, "Why should I join a union?" I said, "Are you getting a guaranteed raise every year?" "No." "Do your healthcare costs go up every year?" "Yes." "Do you have a pension?" "No." "Does your job ever get threatened?" "Yes." "Okay." "My employer's telling me I don't need a union because, you know, we're all family and we don't need an intermediary to talk about our disputes." I said, "That's all well and good. Do yourself a favor. Mark down five things on a piece of paper. Guarantee wage increase per year."

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Affordable healthcare with no rising costs, right? A pension that I can, you know, retire on and for job security. And put a signature page, an agreement between you and the employer and give this to your employer. See if he signs it. If he signs it, you don't need us. If he refuses to sign it, you need us because he's not going to live up to those four.

• 39:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me flip it on you, Mr. Putting stuff on the paper.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  You like that, huh?

• 39:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Mr. Sean O'Brien, Mr. You know, tough guy, teamster, you know, my kind of guy. Here's a question for you.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  This is not a birth defect. I earned it. I earned it.

• 39:49Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, it's so funny because you, Dana and another guy named Sean Mike, that did the swag and of course Dana's, you guys are similar.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know Dana.

• 39:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Dana's a tough guy himself from the, Dana's the right guy for the job that he has. That's a whole different conversation. I'm not going to go there, but let's stay over here because UFC definitely doesn't want the union to go after, you know, do what they're doing there.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, they've been clear. They, I think they, it's like boxing and everybody else. These boxers, these UFC fighters, you know, they, they're all considered independent contractors.

• 40:19Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Okay, but again, you know, let's take boxing for instance. You know, boxing, you, you had the promoters making all the money.

• 40:28Patrick Bet-David?

  He looks like your cousin. You guys look like you're related.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  He is from Boston.

• 40:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I know he is. That's what I'm saying.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're about, I think we're the same age too. I know Dana pretty well. Dana's a good guy.

• 40:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Good. You were making a point boxing. So you were going to make the point there.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  You look at, all right, you look at pro sports. You look at the NFL. You look at NHL. You look at Major League Baseball. They're all under collective bargaining agreement. They all have, you know, checks and balances, health insurance. They've got pensions if you trigger a certain amount of games and or years. Those folks retire young, 33 and they've got to work. And some of them have debilitating medical conditions as a result of their sports that they played. I mean, you know, the same as in boxing and UFC, but you know, they, they've been considered independent contractors. Was that right or wrong? I mean, I don't know. I don't, I don't know much about the sport, but I know when you're talking about pro teams like NFL, NHL,

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Major League Baseball, there've been unions in there for the, since the inception for most parts. And, and the reason is, is because, you know, there's terms and conditions and negotiations, there's retiree medical.

• 41:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Collective bargain, all this other stuff.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  But then they have their side deals.

• 41:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  Right? You got the collective bargain agreement that is, basically has to be followed and then.

• 41:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I follow up on this with you?

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 41:44Patrick Bet-David?

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• 43:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and you said something. You said those capitalists are all about control.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  They are, they are.

• 43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And then three minutes later, you said, when I'm speaking on stage at the RNC, I'm all about control.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Well, I gotta control the narrative to make sure it's right.

• 43:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're also a control guy. So both sides, you know.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  We're all control freaks.

• 43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Not everybody.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  You are, I can tell right now.

• 43:26Patrick Bet-David?

  We are, of course. I'm not denying it. I'm just, I'm not.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  That's why they're all signing union cards out here.

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• 44:30Patrick Bet-David?

  It's so funny, but going back to it here with you. You're running a business, okay? You have the knowledge that you have of being on the opposite side as a team super president, okay? Representing a lot of your members, 1.3 million members, one of the biggest unions in America, and they love you, right? And they love you and we love the fact that somebody that's-

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Some of them, most of them do. There's a couple that don't, you know?

• 44:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But going back to this year, if you ran a business, you're running a business.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  I do right now.

• 44:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but what's your margins? What is the priority of margins to stay in business?

• 44:59Speaker 02

  So we don't look at it in margins like so. We run a big organization, 1.3 million members. Since we took over three and a half years ago, we just surpassed $1 billion in assets, okay? Which is pretty, pretty big. We have a $370 million strike and defense fund, right?

• 45:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I want you to think about it in a different way.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  No, I'm thinking, but I want you to hear it my way. I know exactly where you're going. So we have a completely unionized workforce that works in Washington DC.

• 45:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not where I'm going, Don.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  I'm gonna tell you how we do it.

• 45:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to hear it, Sean.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  All right, go ahead. All right, go ahead. Go.

• 45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, go ahead. I want to hear it.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  We go into negotiations with our, the union that represents our employees. And so like- To your point, now I gotta put on my employer hat.

• 45:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Not employer, I want you to put a founder hat on.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Okay, founder hat.

• 45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So put a founder hat on.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Founder hat, right.

• 45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So you, you right now take a hundred thousand dollars out, let's just say you and your wife have had a job for twenty years.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, and you got two twenty in your 401K and you got three hundred thousand dollars of equity in your home.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And you say, babe, I wanna start a business. You take two hundred thousand dollars out of your home, line of credit, and you start a business with it, okay? Choose whatever business you wanna be. Construction, transportation, finance, real estate, whatever it is that you wanna get into, okay? How do you structure your business at the beginning to be able to manage the fact that you only have two hundred thousand dollars to start a business? To make it grow and attract people and keep them knowing another big company can afford to take a hundred percent of your guys away from you because they can pay better than you?

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Well, you don't bite off more than you can chew. I mean, it depends what business you're gonna be in, okay? So if I know I got two hundred thousand dollars and I wanna be a construction business.

• 46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna go try and build a skyscraper in Boston, right? With two hundred thousand dollars. I'm gonna start out small, like a lot of my friends have done. Start out small, like remodeling bathrooms, remodeling kitchens.

• 46:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  And build the business and stay within my means and stay within my cost structure. As you grow that business, you're gonna need more employees. As you need more employees, your projects are gonna get bigger. Your profit margins will get bigger. It will expose you to the ability to borrow more and more money. Um, some of these people that, you know, remortgage their house to start a business. They start a business, they don't realize that you're gonna have to work that business twenty-four seven. You're gonna have to sacrifice, to your point, uh, your own wealth or your own paychecks to make sure the people that are helping you build this business, the employees. Some people make the mistake of, you know, watching TV at two in the morning, have a better bad idea. Let's take an equity loan on my house at twelve percent.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  I'm gonna start this major business and they're out of business in six months.

• 47:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  I think like anything else, people need to be reasonable. People need to have reasonable expectations and have patience and the will to work to build this business up. Uh, and as you get bigger.

• 47:53Patrick Bet-David?

  How hard?

• 47:54Speaker 02

  It's very hard because I, I have a friend of mine and I'll tell you, his name's Sal LePoli. Went to Northeastern University. Played football, came from no means at all. His parents took a thirty thousand dollar equity line of credit on his house for him to buy a pizza shop in Boston, Sal's Pizza. And this guy bought one pizza shop. Got it set up, running, paid his, paid his parents off. Then started parlaying this into more and more pizza shops. And he had direct employees. And then he started getting into real estate. And he started developing real estate. And this guy has built a empire, a unionized workforce as well. And that all parlayed off a small business.

• 48:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it a hundred percent union or is it a percentage union percentage?

• 48:42Speaker 02

  No, no, all his projects he does, construction wise. He's a second, he's a second, he's a second lead and developer in the city of Boston. But he didn't just, he didn't just open one pizza shop and say, I need a five hundred million dollar loan because I'm gonna do all these projects. He systematically and methodically built his businesses and parlayed it into another venture. My point to all this is, you know, it can be done the right way. But some people think, you know, hey, I want to own my own business. Uh, I'm gonna get rich. It doesn't work like that for ninety percent of the people.

• 49:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You know why I'm asking the question for me? I'm not, I'm not trying to get you caught off guard. I'm asking the question because I think you know how hard it is to run a business on the opposite side. To me, the, the problem here becomes the following. I think it's great for people to like, when you're talking to talents, like, look, here's the offer, go talk to your lawyer, come back to us and let our lawyers speak to each other. And then I'll never forget when I'm trying to sell my business, my, uh, the guy that was buying my business, the insurance company, completely different business that I, but we grew it from zero to sixty thousand agents and we sold it for two fifty, three years ago. The buyer came up to me and he says, Pat, this process is gonna take three to four months. We're gonna experience a moment where the lawyers are gonna cause this deal to fall

• 49:55Patrick Bet-David?

  through. Let's make sure when that happens, we get on a call together. I said, no problem. Two weeks before the deal closes, there's a massive war going on. We have a lawyer on our end, his name is Chris. I don't even know how to talk to this guy. Explain how this guy was. He is, we paid this guy half a million dollars for three, four months. He's one to-

• 50:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Biggest pit bull MF. Just think about whatever lawyer you're thinking about. Times 10 on every call it's a fight with this guy. Then they had a guy on their side. My guys are calling me saying, hey, your lawyer is about to screw it up. And they said, their lawyer is going to screw it up. So he and I get on a call together. And then we talked, he says, what's going on? So blah, blah, blah. So great. Do you have a problem with this? No. Similar to how you know, you called Trump and Trump's like, I don't care what you say. I don't give a, you know, go say whatever you want. And then we were able to get the deal going. The, the part that I have with the concern here is the following. Like when you're going through this, give a raise every year. We don't just give a raise every year. We give a raise above and beyond because our terms, the way we have it structured. I can clearly explain to you how it is.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Oh, we'll do that when we negotiate.

• 51:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, when, when you and I sit down and when you see, but I'll show it to you. I want you to actually see it.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  No, no. When we.

• 51:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I want you to. It's too small of a membership for you right now, but we'll have the conversation.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  We'll take them all.

• 51:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But I want you to go through this year. Go with the first one. Go to the second one. The second one is what? Affordable healthcare for healthcare. Okay. So what do you do with a small business owner in 2000 and whatever the year was 12, 2011? When Obamacare comes out? And then all of a sudden the premium for the small business owner spiked up 40%.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  So do you know that? And that's a great point. Do you know that we run the majority of our own health and welfare funds nationwide? And we have tremendous buying power where a small business like you are going to get hit with double digit premiums every year, right? Increases. We control the cost because of the, the amount of lives that we have and we provide the benefits. So when you're talking small business, we've had situations where small businesses have come to us when I was running local 25 in Boston and say, hey, I really want to unionize. You know, the healthcare is killing me to your point. What are your rates and what can you charge and how long are they projected out?

• 52:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  And we get the best care. So that's, that's a example of an employer coming to us saying, hey, I can't afford the sustainability of, of this health insurance. And, you know, we've had a lot of success on that as well.

• 52:19Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure. For every one story, there's also horror stories because what it also does is the business model sometimes of the union. Is pinning the employee against the employer and then you coming as the hero. And then afterwards, everyone walks on eggshells of driving the company. There is, there is that part where some people are like, when I talk to some guys, I'm like, hey, you're part of union, how does it work? We like it, what are you doing like, I don't like this about it. Okay, how about you guys? We can't stand it, why, I wish you would have never done it. Boom. So there's the good stories, there's the bad stories. The good stories, there's a partnership, right? And it works out. The bad stories are sometimes it, it drives a wedge between the two. Like the, the feeling I get of what's happened with America since 2020. You brought up COVID, right?

• 53:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Since 2020 till today. From 2020 till today, you know, it was, it was almost like, you know, a, a number came out today. Rob, you saw that chart I sent you today? Uh, Sean, uh, they came out with a study. Rob, what time did he send you this chart? This morning. What time?

• 53:22Speaker 02

  9:01 a.m.

• 53:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you on the clock?

• 53:24Speaker 02

  I'm always on the clock.

• 53:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you are something else.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  I love what I do.

• 53:30Patrick Bet-David?

  But let me tell you what happened here. So, so this guy, uh, they do an article on CNBC, okay? On the CNBC article, it states, um, what are Gen Z men? Gen Z men, what are their top 10 priorities? Okay? You know what men had as number one? No. What do you think it is? I have no idea. Having children. Okay? Do you know what, this is Gen Z, Gen Z is 13 to 28. So think like when you're that age. Young men today between 13 to 28, their number one was having children. You know what it was for, for, uh, women? What was it? Number 10. Really? Number 10 is for women and number one is for men.

• 54:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So, boys, young men, and Rob, I, I'm sure you, you, uh, yeah, I think it's gonna be somewhere on the chart as you go through it. Is that the one? No, it's a go a little bit lower, you'll see it. So to me, a part of it is, yeah, you, look at that right there. Male voted for Trump. Number one, having children. Female voted for Harris. Okay, go a little lower. Go a little lower. Look at number 10.

• 54:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, keep going. Maybe not even number 10. 11 being married. Oh, 12 is children. So not even 10.

• 54:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So to me, I think what happened the last five years, it was pinning everybody against everybody. It's kind of like the story you told when Kamala Harris came to your team and they pointed a finger at you and what did they say?

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 54:58Patrick Bet-David?

  They said, hey, Sean, you know, you better support us or else.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  You know, so there was two occasions. She went up to one of my, uh, uh, vice presidents, who was at an Emily's, uh, list event. And Joan Corry, she's one of our vice presidents, very classy woman, said, oh, I'd love to get a picture with you. I'm Joan Corry, I'm vice president for the Teamsters Union. She turns, gets stern, and you better get on board. Your organization better get on board.

• 55:29Patrick Bet-David?

  How can she say that?

• 55:30Speaker 02

  It's truth. So this lady, Joan Corry, is probably one of the most honorable people in the world. She comes back and tells us this whole story. So I call, and we were still going through our polling, this was early on. I called the, I called Marty Walsh, who's a good friend of mine, who was the Labor Secretary and then took a job with the NHL. Players Association. He wasn't the Labor Secretary. I go, you think this is a problem or no? He's like, oh, you know, I'll find out. I'll, I'll see what it is. Nothing gets done with it. Then she comes to our roundtable, which every single candidate came to. And long story short, you know, that was a nightmare dealing with her, that administration, as far as getting her to the table in front of our rank and file members.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  And what she did was at the end, because she really didn't answer any of the questions, and they weren't negotiating with us. She's only going to answer three questions, and these are the questions she's going to answer. And I'm like, no, absolutely not. All the other candidates answered these questions. They didn't give us the answers we wanted consistently, but everybody else did. No one's getting any special.

• 56:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait, she added a 16 she didn't answer three of them, or she only wanted to answer three?

• 56:33Speaker 02

  Only wanted to answer three of them.

• 56:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why is that? Did they give you the explanation?

• 56:36Speaker 02

  No, it's just, they were very difficult. I'll tell you, it was her campaign, like, all the other candidates were easy. Biden was difficult. Uh, we had him in before he dropped out, but at the end of her, and matter of fact, I'm asking her questions and, and my chief of staff slides over a piece of paper. And it says, this will be the last question, right? I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. So, all right, whatever. And it was like twenty five minutes left, uh, of the timeframe. So then she's give summing up and she, at the end, she looked right at me and, and, and my board. And she says, listen, we're gonna win with you or without you? Like, who says that?

• 57:20Speaker 02

  When you're asking for the endorsement? You think?

• 57:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So you spent one on one time with her? You had time with her?

• 57:26Speaker 02

  I had time with every single candidate.

• 57:27Patrick Bet-David?

  What, how different were some of the candidates privately than publicly?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  I mean, privately, most people were, you know, they were fine. They were, you know, respectful.

• 57:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Who did you like that didn't win, obviously, but who was?

• 57:39Speaker 02

  I tell you, you know, you know, who we had a, a, a philosophical difference of opinion with was, uh, I think it was Asa Hutchinson. Um, he matter of factly, you know, stated why he was running for president. He was a Republican, right? And he was a perfect gentleman. He said, look, I don't agree with a lot of things that, you know, your platform is. However, I do value American workers. I do value unionized workers. There's some difference of opinions. He was great. Um, he did a great job. Um, I mean, Joe Biden came in, uh, right then and there, you could tell he lost his fastball. Uh, one on one, nice man, nice elderly man.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Um, but, you know, it was a shame on what his party put him through. I mean, I, I, I looked at that and I'm like, you know, he's a nice man. Public service his whole life, like, why are they allowing him to go out this way? And, you know, to your point, one on one, great guy. When we were asking him questions, you know, he was saying a lot of the right things and then, you know, he'd get confused a little bit, but all in all, they were, everybody was respectful through the process.

• 58:47Patrick Bet-David?

  What did you like most about Trump?

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Look, he he's crazy. I mean, you know, you never know what's gonna come out of his mouth. What what I liked most was the process. When we made the invite, I think it was two thousand and twenty four

• 59:03Speaker 02

  uh to all the candidates. He was the first one to respond. Absolutely love to do it. Love to do it at the building. We never had any presidential candidate at our building in DC, meeting with our executive board and rank and file members from across across the country. He was one of the first ones to commit and schedule. I mean, he was, his campaign team was on point. Mostly all the candidates were were were on point, but Trump. And when he came in, look, we gave him sixteen questions a couple of weeks in advance. None of them answered the questions how we wanted them. Some of them were stronger on certain issues, some of the weaker. I mean, Trump's whole focus was with our with us was on immigrant workers taking American jobs and working for less money.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Uh, the ten ninety nine issue came up. They're not getting benefits. They're not getting wages. You know, they're taking your job. So he focused a lot on that. Um, and he he focused a lot on just talking about him himself. And, you know, I think at the time, the Democrats were so focused on the social justice platform that that's where they lost a lot of our members because a lot of our members were focused on inflation, focused on more money in their paychecks, focused on, you know, the the issues that

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  they weren't, we weren't aligned with the social justice platforms that were out there. I mean, look, the reality of his teams has been around since nineteen oh three. We have negotiated the strongest contracts representing workers. We satisfy a lot of those social issues by having strong contracts, high middle-class wages, and the ability to retire. So our members weren't like buying into that rhetoric. And, you know, I think people were, people were sick of the and Trump was saying a lot of the things that were resonating with our members. Um, and that's why, you know, a lot of our members, when we polled them, sixty five percent of them were liking what they were hearing.

• 1:00:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Sixty-five percent were for Trump.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And what percentage of your members are Republicans versus Democrats? Do you have that?

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  I don't have that figure offhand, but I would say it's it's still the majority of our members are probably still you know, slightly blue.

• 1:01:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  Um, and it depends where you live, right? You know, it depends, you know, you get the gun issue, you've got a lot of those issues that

• 1:01:19Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a good point.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  Um, our members identify with, so.

• 1:01:22Patrick Bet-David?

  What are your biggest states, biggest states and members?

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Oh, we have, uh, California is probably our biggest state.

• 1:01:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Number one?

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have about a hundred fifty thousand members, uh, there. Uh, New York, we have a high density, Chicago, all the big major cities. You know, but we do have a presence in every single state. We represent Canada, Guam, Puerto Rico, uh, as well as, you know, the United States. So we have members, uh, in all fifty states. We have members in Puerto Rico, Guam, and we have about a hundred and thirty thousand in Canada.

• 1:01:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Sean, what is the profile of a Teamster boss?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Leader.

• 1:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Teamster leader? Teamster leader, Teamster president, leader. What is the profile of somebody that becomes a Teamster leader? Is there a pattern? Because you, the local twenty-five is a very well-known one. It's not like it's just a regular one, right? You've had, I think you replaced Hoffa's, uh, uh, Jimmy Hoffa's, uh, son or grandson?

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  No, internationally, I replaced Hoffa's son, uh, the original.

• 1:02:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Internationally, you replaced his son?

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  His son, yeah, local twenty-five, I was the youngest, uh, president I've elected. We had twelve thousand five hundred members, um, in that local. So I was the youngest, I think I was elected at thirty-three years old.

• 1:02:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So what, what is, what gets the crew to say, that's our guy? What do they look for? Is it, is, is there an element of toughness, willing to fight for me? Is it, because there has to be a pattern, right? Where you, you know, when you look at somebody that becomes a point guard or a quarterback, or there are certain profiles that you look at. What is it for this position?

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Well, the position is, it's simple. I mean, I held every single position in the union at local twenty-five. I started out as a shop steward. Representing workers on the shop floor, making sure that the employer followed the contract, making sure our members followed the contract as well. And then I just rose up through the ranks. But what qualified me or what the attraction was from our members for me to lead them was my passion to make sure that members were taken care of, my passion to make sure that they were represented in the workplace.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  And it's just, it was a progression. It's not something I just woke up one day and said, oh, I don't want to drive a tractor trailer anymore hauling heavy equipment. I want to be the team's president. It doesn't work that way. And some smaller locals, you may get a shot at that, but you know, where I came from, it was just a progression. I held every single job in that union, demonstrated to the membership that I was going to give it 110%. I was going to work 24 hours a day, you know, seven days a week. Did you want that job? I wanted, I wanted that job since I was eight years old. Get out of here. Absolutely did. Get out of here. Absolutely did. Oh my god. I used to go to union meetings with my father. And I would look up on the stage, I would look up on the stage and I'd see Billy McCarthy, who later became the general president out of my local. And he signed my union card when I first got in the union.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  But I would look at these, these men, because it was predominantly men back then. And it was like looking at the President of the United States and just seeing the camaraderie and seeing, again, we were, we're very, very strong in Boston and, and they were, Billy McCarthy was like Bobby Orr and Larry Bird in the city of Boston. Everybody knew who he was, everybody knew who the Teamsters were. And it was just something I, I was attracted to. I loved, I loved the discipline. I loved the ability to help people that weren't as fortunate as you are. It was something I, I mean, I tell the story all the time. I went to a Catholic school. And, you know, there was some rich kids from, when I say rich kids, they lived in a better neighborhood, they lived in the Lawrence Estates. And I lived over near Boston Ave, near the railroad tracks and the Mystic River. And, you know, there was a divide.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  And they'd be like, Johnny'd be like, I wanna be a lawyer like my dad. Mary'd be like, I wanna be a nurse like my mother. And I'd be like, I wanna drive a truck for the Teamsters Local 25. Like, I knew right then and there, that's what I wanted to do.

• 1:05:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Mystic River. What a movie, by the way.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Oh, by the, oh, yeah, yeah, I fell in that river. It was like falling in, uh, maple syrup, so polluted.

• 1:05:11Patrick Bet-David?

  How old were you when you fell?

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Probably like seven or eight. It was right down the end of my street. You know, we used to, it was awful, but it was fun. Best place to grow up.

• 1:05:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so, so you're seeing, at eight years old, you wanna be this. Twenty-five years later, now, have you told anybody at eight years old? Like, did you tell your parents?

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  I should tell everybody. I used to tell everybody, I wanna, I wanna drive a truck, I wanna be a Teamster. And I didn't even understand the, you know, structure of it. But I just knew that everything we had, because my father would say, everything we have is because of the Teamsters Union. You know, and, and I just, that just resonated with me and it was, it stuck with me for life. And, look, I'm, I'm a loyal guy, whether we're gonna win or lose, I'm with you, I'm not leaving your side. Unless, unless you're a rat, or a pedophile, or a rapist, I'm, I'm done with you. But, you know, I'm loyal to the organization. I'm gonna give this organization everything I have, because it's given me everything I have.

• 1:06:01Patrick Bet-David?

  How, how much, how much of the mindset? Because you know how you always, uh, when you, when you hear the stories? I've had friends, these Sammy, hey, who killed Jimmy Hoffa? Well, the mob was involved with this. I've had plenty of guys have asked the Jimmy Hoffa question. I'm sure you've been asked this question all the time. So, I'm not even gonna go there. But, uh, how, how much, how much of back in the days? Of course, not today. And I'm not even talking about, because the last ten would have been, what, eighties, right? Seventies, where the mob was still around. Why was there such a connection between the two? Why do you think the two had relations together? The mob and the unions?

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Well, I think it was, you know, big projects, big money. Um, you know, the, the, you know, the, the, uh, unions had pension funds that funded a lot of projects around the country. I mean, the Teamsters Pension Fund built Vegas back in the day. So, I think there was always that, you know, relationship. But, um, you know, organized crime nowadays, you know, that has no presence in our, in our union. Um, you know, those two guys you reference? Like I said, I don't, if I do something wrong, it's because of a decision I made. And I gotta face those consequences. I don't glorify people that, you know, preyed on the weak and then, when they got caught, they told on, they told everybody, told on everybody. I don't, I don't like that. But getting back to... Why there was a relationship, it was big money, it was power.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  And you know, a lot of these pension funds, not just the Teamsters Pension Fund. You know, they they they funded a lot of these major buildings and in major cities where there was a a stronghold in, you know, a lot of these major cities and that's how the relationship was, but you know, thankfully, it's not like that anymore. Are you a movie guy? I watch movies, yeah, I do, yeah. It's your favorite movie of all time? My favorite movie of all time. I'm I'm trying to guess if I can get at least one of them. Alright, so I've got probably a top three or four, but my favorite movie of all times was All the Right Moves with Tom Cruise. All the right, out of all the Tom Cruise movies? Yeah, I mean, it was football, I love football. It was filmed in Pennsylvania, grimy town. Yeah, it was a great, great movie.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  I liked Uncommon Valor with Gene Hackman. Okay. Did you ever see that movie? No, not that one. Great movie. Can you can you pull that up? Because I know uncommon. Uncommon Valor. Gene Hackman is a one of a kind actor, he's phenomenal, okay, so. Um, of course, you know, Platoon was great. Phenomenal. Uh, Full Metal Jacket. Full Metal Jacket, wow. Yeah, I mean, those are all great movies, you know. I mean, everybody loves Goodfellas, Casino, uh. Godfather. You know what's funny? And and I have people out there that'll attest to this. I never watched The Godfather until about four months ago. Stop it. Swear to God. Why is that? I just never, really never. No one convinced you to good.

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  No, everybody would say you gotta watch, you gotta watch, but I watched it on a plane. I was coming from the, going from filming my podcast on the West Coast to coming back and I'm like, alright. And you know yourself, when you're on planes, you're doing most of your research, right, for your show, or I'm doing research for work or whatever. I'm like, you know what, I want to watch a movie, so. I had, I had three hours or more on the plane, so I'm like, I don't have three hours when I'm home, let me watch this. And I I finally watched it like four months ago. Did you finish all three or just one? I just watched the first one, uh. But I'll tell you, I was, what a cast of characters in there. And you know what amazed me? Like, not like today when you watch TV or movies, even regular TV. I didn't hear, and maybe I missed it, I didn't hear any swearing.

• 1:09:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're right.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  At all.

• 1:09:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  And, uh, it was, it was, I'm glad I watched it.

• 1:09:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That's cool. You know, I asked Dana, what's your favorite movie of all time? You know what he said? Do you know his favorite movie?

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Vision Quest.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you seen Vision Quest?

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I knew.

• 1:09:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I've never seen Vision Quest, so I come home, he says, Pat, whatever you do, watch it tonight. I watch Vision Quest, I'm like, and I, I watch it with my oldest son. So what a great movie.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  So, um, what's her name in the movie?

• 1:10:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, she was, uh, she was, you know who she ended up marrying, right? You know the story of her?

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  Uh, listen, I know her personally.

• 1:10:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  So, funny story, right?

• 1:10:10Patrick Bet-David?

  She's got a good story.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  Linda Fiorentino, right? Funny story. Um, I'm at Elaine's in New York.

• 1:10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  In like two thousand and, I don't know, seven or eight. And, you know, we're in the motion picture business as well, the Teamsters, because we provide all the transportation on the movie sets. So she's there, and I met her through, uh, a bunch of guys from Chicago that she did a movie with. And, you know, she's talking to us, regular person. And then I hired her stepson, Carson, to work for me as an intern when I was running Local Twenty-Five. And this kid was hilarious, he was great. So she would, she, she actually had like a little bit of a relationship with us where I do this huge fundraiser every year for autism. So she would show up, uh, she was a great person, but we're at Elaine's and we first meet her. And there's this guy sitting over in the corner. And myself and, and, and one of the guys that worked me, he said, well, we gotta go back to the hotel.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  He gives us a ride, and I don't even know who he is. And he's chirping lights, going through, like putting lights on, he was an FBI agent.

• 1:11:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  And I'm like, wait, you're a cop? He's like, oh, FBI agent. I'm like, stop the car. I do not want to be seen with an FBI agent, right? Long story short, he gets in trouble.

• 1:11:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Right? That whole thing, but I, I, it was just amazing, you look back, but, yeah, she was, uh, that, that was a good movie. Another funny story, she's at one of our events for the autism event. I used to raise a million dollars a year for autism, and it's still carrying on right now with the new leadership of Local Twenty-Five. But she's in the room, and my buddy, he was crazy, he died, kid from Chilstown, Shane Noon. He goes, I loved your movie. She goes, which one? Vision Quest. And he, she goes, well, what was your favorite scene in the movie? He goes, well, the laundry basket. She goes, you know, I wasn't even in that scene.

• 1:11:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it was just funny. She was good personality, you know?

• 1:11:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, I mean, listen, it's, it's the movie that young boys would watch and fantasize about. And I think she played it very well.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:12:07Patrick Bet-David?

  She played it very well. Yeah, she played it very, you said autism, why autism?

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  Well, because, you know, again, we talked about healthcare, right? Health and welfare. When I first took over Local 25, you know, my responsibility also was managing a health and welfare fund. And we were looking at the costs, what's costing the most money, amount of money and why? And there was such a spike in the, in the mid 2000s of diagnosis of autism through our membership. And also a lot of retirees were reaching out saying, hey, my grandchild was born, they have autism. You know, and it was, it was like a pandemic, but no one talked about it back then. And so I'm like, we, our charity of choice at the time was diabetes, right?

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  And I, being ignorant, I'm like, diabetes, all people have to do is stop eating donuts, lose a hundred pounds and, you know, they're controlling it. Well, I didn't know there was a type one and a type two, so this is ironic. I flipped the charity. We jump in with both feet. We start raising, we became the second largest fundraiser in the country for autism in 2007. I partner up with Bob Wright, who used to be the CEO of NBC, and we are crushing it, like just crushing it, raising money awareness. So lo and behold, three years after the charity's up and running, my nine-year-old son gets diagnosed with type one diabetes.

• 1:13:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Swear to God, you can't make that up.

• 1:13:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Nine years old?

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  Nine years old. And I didn't know there was a type one, I knew there was type two and type one, but, you know, it was ironic where I took the position, you know, being ignorant. I'll just stop eating, lose a hundred pounds and get some exercise and you can control it. And then we want to focus on autism because there's no cure. There's no services provided to these families. And lo and behold, three years later, my oldest son, uh, he's 24 now and he's doing great, uh, was diagnosed with type one. Wow, at nine years, and what does he do right now? He's a union plumber. Uh, he went to trade school. He's a union plumber. Uh, he's laid off. Uh, but he's an aspiring comedian, so he is doing stand-up comedy. Yeah, it's funny. I mean, I'm the blunt of all his friggin' jokes, you know?

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• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  How good is he? Like, is he telling dad jokes all the time? Let me tell you my dad. You know what's funny? Like, he's, he's a- What's his name? Sean O'Brien Jr. He's a, he's an old soul. He's a great kid and, um, yeah, that's- Go down a little bit, Rob. Go down to see what a- Yeah, there he is, right there. In the middle, that's- And he's a comedian? He's a comedian, yeah. And, uh, he's, he's got a great way about him. He's, he's in with a lot of, uh, that, that whole comedy circle is- Trust black women? Very tight. Yeah, he's crazy. Is that him with Theo Von? Yeah, yeah. I love it. Yeah, so we did, I did Theo Von last summer. Yeah. And he came down to, uh, Sean loved him. Came down to the studio when we filmed it. And, um, Theo Von, let me tell you something about Theo Von.

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  He's phenomenal. He says to, uh, he says to, uh, my son, you know, I understand your comedy. Here's my cell phone number, right? Gives it to my 23 year old son at the time. And I'm saying, don't be fucking calling him when you're drunk and shit in front of your friends, right? And, uh, so ironically, last summer, he's going to Nashville and he's like, hey dad, I'm gonna go down to Nashville. And you think I should reach out to Theo? I said, yeah, he gave you his number, reach out to him. I said, he probably won't get back to you, they're busy. And I saw Theo, uh, not too, too long ago, before that, he text Theo and Theo hooked him up with three non-paying comedy jobs, but he said to Sean, hey, you, you know, your comedy might be doing well in Boston, but you know, you gotta try it out in other areas. He hadn't, he didn't have to do that.

• 1:16:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  What a solid guy.

• 1:16:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  So I text him every once in a while.

• 1:16:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Theo Vaughn's a good guy.

• 1:16:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Theo is got such a unique way of interviewing people that I think every presidential candidate has to go through Theo. He is that unique of a guy, the way he does it. When, when he got, uh, JT Vance, when he told the cocaine thing, he said, you know, I just, I feel like, you know, things have changed with cocaine. JT couldn't, have you seen this clip?

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  And then, then he also, he also said, he said, someone asked him, what was your drink of choice? He said cocaine.

• 1:17:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, he, he is, at any point, he could say any, is this it, Rob?

• 1:17:17Speaker 06

  Yes, sir.

• 1:17:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me see this one.

• 1:17:18Speaker 06

  I don't know if I'd be sober if this stuff weren't killing people, to be honest with you. I know that's sad to say, but that keeps me out of the risk of it, you know, it just makes it too. Makes it a little scarier. Yeah, that's the thing. It makes it scarier. Yeah. But it's also sad that somebody, I mean, this is ridiculous to say probably, that somebody can't, you know, you can't even do cocaine in this country anymore, you know? And that seems like a crazy thing to say and, don't say it, don't say that. I said it, but, but yeah, but don't say that anymore. I'm gonna steal that one.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, he didn't, he didn't like cocaine, he just liked the smell of it.

• 1:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he, he, that's right, he just liked the smell of it, that's funny. So, last thing here before we wrap up, I feel like I have to react to this with you, it's too funny for me. So, uh, uh, your, uh, what hearing is this? Uh, I don't know where it's at. Rob, go on this clip with, uh, cause you tweeted something, calling somebody out, right? And then they're sitting right in front of you. I think I just saw my Charlie Kirk's memorial, by the way, the other day.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  Uh, uh, if I'm not mistaken, Rob, do you know which one I'm talking about? Mark Wayne Mullen? Yes, yes. That's right, he's gonna be on my podcast on Monday. Stop it. Yeah, bad, bad ideas. Stop it. So, we have to play this clip. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:18:34Speaker 07

  I kinda had a back and forth. Appreciate your demeanor today, it's quite different. But after you left here, you got pretty excited about the keyboard. In fact, you tweeted at me one, two, three, four, five times. And let me read what the last one said. Um, it said, "Greedy CEO who pretends like he's self-made." Sorry, I wish you was in the truck with me when I was building my plumbing company myself and my wife was running the office, because I sure remember working pretty hard and long hours. Pretends like he's self-made. What a clown. Fraud. Always has been, always will

• 1:19:16Speaker 07

  be. Quit the tough guy act in these senate hearings. You know where to find me. Any place, any time, cowboy.

• 1:19:26Speaker 07

  Sir, this is a time, this is a place. If you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults, we can finish it here.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  Okay, that's fine. Perfect.

• 1:19:33Speaker 07

  You want to do it now?

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  I'd love to do it right now.

• 1:19:35Speaker 07

  Well, stand your butt up then.

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  You stand your butt up.

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  Oh, hold it. Oh, hold, stop it.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  Is that your solution?

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  No, no, sit down. Sit down. You're a United States senator.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  Burn his neck.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  Sit down.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was fired up.

• 1:19:47Speaker 03

  Can I respond? Hold it, hold it.

• 1:19:51Speaker 03

  If we can't, no, I have the mic.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  Look at the, look at the other people on the panel, they were horrified.

• 1:19:55Speaker 03

  You'll have your time.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  Can I respond?

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  No, you can't. This is a hearing. And God knows, the American people have enough at contempt for Congress, let's not make it worse.

• 1:20:05Speaker 07

  I don't like thugs and bullies.

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  You have, you have.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  I don't like you, because you just described yourself.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  Hold it. You have the mic. You have time. Make your statement.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  What happened afterwards? Well, that was the second round. There was round one, where it was my first ever hearing, testifying, and he attacked me with some, you know, you do opposition research and, and, you know, he starts hitting me with all this shit that wasn't true. And I'm like, the only one I didn't have any opposition research on was this guy. I never heard of him. And so, like, he starts attacking me, so I start attacking him back. And then it popped off, and we were screaming and yelling at each other. Then we leave there and you know, media, I didn't think it was a big deal. And then the media, uh, you know, starts jumping on all this stuff. I mean, they were doing clips all over the world and then so we start going back and forth on social media, him and I. And, uh, you know, it was pretty funny.

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  And then ironically, I have to do another hearing, but after the first one, my mother calls me up and she says, "Oh, my God, I saw you on TV today." And I'm like, "What are you talking about?" And she said, "Yeah, you, you were fighting with that senator." And I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that guy, whatever." And she goes, "Well, that's real, real nice, real nice, Sean." I go, "Why? What do you mean?" She goes, "You just got us all fucking audited." Like, seriously, can't you behave?

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  And, and, uh, so ironically, we have round two. And then, you know what? Um, his chief of staff called mine, they're like, "Look, this isn't, this is getting out of hand." And I actually met with him and we had a lot of convers- good conversation and we agreed to disagree on, on some things. Um, but I'll tell you what-

• 1:21:39Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a good guy, by the way.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  He's not a bad guy, like honestly, I, I've become friends with him. Um, you know, we, we work together and, uh, look, we're working together on this bipartisan legissta- legislation. It's gonna be called the Faster, uh, Labor Contracts Act, bipartisan support. And I believe he's gonna support it. We've had some conversation, uh, and it's gonna be good for the American worker. So again, like we talked about earlier, something good came out of something that was bad at first, you know? So now we have a friendship, we have a, a working relationship and, uh, you know, we just gotta build upon them. And you know what? I even said to him, "We gotta be better than this, you know, we, we've gotta be better than this, you know? You're a US senator, I run one of the strongest, most powerful labor organizations in the world. Although people like the show, what did we really accomplish then?"

• 1:22:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What'd he say?

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  He started, he laughed, but I did, I did say to him, "You still think you can beat me?"

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  He's an MMA guy, he's got cauliflower ears, so-

• 1:22:31Patrick Bet-David?

  It would actually be a good fight.

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  I might have to bring a weapon, you know?

• 1:22:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think he, I think he knows how to fight. I think he knows-

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:38Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're a Boston guy.

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, we all, we all, I, I always tell people, it's for me, like they were saying, "He's got cauliflower ears, he's an MMA fighter." I'm like, "Yeah, I know Irish karate, just put your head down and keep going till you can't go anymore, right?"

• 1:22:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So Monday, he's gonna be on your podcast.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  Monday, he's gonna be on Better Bad Ideas, yes.

• 1:22:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So we are gonna put your, this is the podcast here-

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Yes, it is.

• 1:22:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Better Bad Ideas, uh, with Sean O'Brien. Rob, let's put the link below as well. Mr. Leader, President of Teamsters, I want to say that correctly. It's been a pleasure having you on.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  Thank you so much, sir.

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Really looking forward to the follow-up and

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:23:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I respect the way you lead. I respect the way you lead. I respect the fact that this is a very monumental moment for, I believe, for the Republican Party and what the President has done to bring this relationship of employer employee that's like this to more here, to have the President of Teamsters at RNC. I think that's a massive statement to Americans that we can find ways to work together. I think it's very, very important.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  There's two things I just want to cover. You just prompted a thought. So Republicans through the whole election were saying how they want to represent working people and they want to be the party for working people. They've got to stand up and support some of our agenda like the Faster Labor Contracts Act. Democrats have some penance that they need to pay to American workers who failed. They've been abandoned by them. So I think it's a good time, especially in light of what's been going on. But it's not just on, you know, President of the United States. It's not just on working people. To actually be the representative of working people, you know, we've got to focus and echo

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  our thoughts to the leadership that's in charge now in the House, the Senate, you know. Senate is important. Congress is important. And I always tell people, the Senate, the Congress, Senate and President. I look at it as three stops on the MBTA in Boston. Congress, you get something passed there. You work bipartisan, get it done. The last stop, if you've got collaboration and a good sense of something that's going to help people, then the last stop should be signing off on all this stuff. And we're going to be looking at the leadership in both those, House and Senate, to actually deliver on what they said on behalf of the party. They want to represent working people. Well, now's the time to support this legislation, demonstrate.

• 1:25:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Fantastic, fantastic. I think it's Going in a direction where you're probably closer, especially the people that you have that are working on this with you. I think Holly's a part of it, right?

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, Holly's a part of it. And Cory Booker is the Democratic sponsor as well. But we've got...

• 1:25:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Doesn't get better than Holly, by the way. Holly's a quality guy.

• 1:25:25Speaker 02

  That guy's...

• 1:25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Never met him, I just like his style.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's non-corruptible, and he's got an unbelievable moral compass, and he does the right thing.

• 1:25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I feel that way about him. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Thank you, brother.

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