Ari Emanuel ON: How to Silence the Doubt in Your Mind & Strategies for Transforming your Career

Change is the only constant, and in this fast-paced world, we strive to keep up with its relentless flow. How can we train our minds to embrace discomfort and uncertainty, unlearning the inner voice that holds us back from taking action? Today, I welcome Ariel Emanuel, the Chief Executive Officer of Endeavor (NYSE: EDR), a global sports and entertainment company, home to many of the world’s most dynamic and engaging storytellers, brands, live events and experiences. The company is comprised of industry leaders including entertainment agency WME; sports, fashion, events and media company IMG; and premier mixed martial arts organization UFC®. In this conversation, we are going into a transformative journey, exploring the power of releasing anger, and understanding the shifting objectives that shape our lives. Learn practical strategies to embrace growth and train our minds to be comfortable with discomfort, allowing us to navigate change with grace and resilience, unlearn the habit of silencing the inner voice that blocks us from taking action, and challenge societal definitions of success and explore the importance of defining our own path and purpose. You will learn: How to embrace discomfort and be comfortable with it When to start listening to your inner voice Why anger is unproductive How to shift your mindset and relearn contentment How to seize opportunities to create the life you desire Why we need to pursue health and wellness Let us awaken the wisdom within us and live a life aligned with our truest values and aspirations. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 00:50 Change is happening a lot faster nowadays and we’re trying to keep up to it 02:03 How can you train your mind to be comfortable with discomfort? 04:49 Unlearning how to not listen to your inner voice that’s stopping you from taking action 07:27 Anger can only get you to a certain point but there’s nothing more to it 12:36 Did you grow up with a stack of objectives that has changed overtime? 13:50 We don’t often realize when we’re no longer in a competitive state and we find it difficult to shift our mindset 19:17 What’s the difference between success and contentment? 21:13 “Life is not a dress rehearsal, you better get to where you want to get to.” 24:03 How do you build something from scratch and without enough funding? 26:45 Recalling a life event that has completely changed the trajectory of your life 32:14 How do you operate your life? Do you allow others' definition of success to dictate your life? 36:19 “It’s not about living forever, it’s about being healthy while you live.” 39:21 What types of therapies are you taking interest in? 41:37 When you’re making high risk decisions, what do you do? How do you prepare? 45:15 How do you create a space for talents to be able to freely create their content? 48:21 The shift from a full workforce at the office to people having the option to work from home 50:28 What has been the biggest failure in your life? 53:00 How do you get out of the I-got-to-jump-and-respond state? 54:15” You have to work hard and you have to show up.” 56:43 Ariel on Final Five Episode Resources: Endeavor See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:59Jay Shetty?

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• 3:09Speaker 01

  When you're on the field, kill the other dude. When you're not on the field, you don't have to kill the other dude. But when you're on the field, you want to win. You just have to realize when you're not on the field. The problem is, I think people don't realize when they're not on the field.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  The bestselling author and host.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  The number one health and wellness podcast.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

• 3:27Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, you know that I'm fascinated about speaking to people from different backgrounds, different walks of life, people who've made interesting choices, decisions, had life events that have changed the trajectory of their journey. And I like diving into the insights that they have, the wisdom that they have, some of the mistakes and failures that came along the way as well. And today's guest is one of those individuals. I'm talking about the one and only Ariel Emanuel, Chief Executive Officer of Endeavor, a global sports and entertainment company, home to many of the world's most dynamic and engaging storytellers, including me, brands, live events, and experiences.

• 4:12Jay Shetty?

  The company is composed of industry leaders, including entertainment agency, sports, fashion events, and media company IMG, and premier mixed martial arts organization UFC. In 2009, Ariel orchestrated the largest talent agency merger in history when Endeavor, the agency he founded in 1995, joined forces with agency William Morris to form WME. Now, we're about to dive into his story. He doesn't do a lot of podcasts, so we're very lucky. Please welcome to the show and on purpose Ariel Emanuel. Ari, thank you for being here.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 4:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you've had quite the journey. And

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Well, we were just talking about it. When I was in the mailroom, you know, they had the Thomas Guide, fifteen cents a mile. I was figuring out, because your house is, maybe we don't want to let people know where it is, way up in the hills. I would have never been able to get here using a Thomas Guide. Thank God there's, you know, Waze and Tesla, their system, so.

• 5:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I wondered what that was like, when you were like, meeting clients, you're like.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  It was hor- it wasn't horrible, actually. It, you realized how to get around. It was a great experience that, oh, so if I'm booking, if I'm gonna be in the valley and I have, that thing, that it does take forty-five minutes to get there. So, once you kind of, it was actually the right steps, and a lot of people went through the mailroom, whether it be Barry Diller, David Geffen, Mike O, I mean, everybody did it. And I would have never been able to get here, though, using the Thomas Guide.

• 5:44Jay Shetty?

  That's good, that's, that's.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  It's aging me saying the Thomas Guide.

• 5:46Jay Shetty?

  Well, no, I remember my parents, we used to drive to Europe, because my parents couldn't always afford to fly. And so we'd have the A to Z in England, which was like this big map, A to Z, big map, that they'd pull out and then track it across, like, physical map. And then we'd have one for Europe, one for, like,

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 6:03Jay Shetty?

  France and Switzerland. And so we'd drive over and I'd see my parents, like, pull over and ask for instructions. It was, it was a different world. And you've, you've watched that, and, I mean, you still look incredible. I'm like, I'm like, you haven't aged yourself at all, but when I think about how much times have changed, like, what is, if you could say that these are the couple of the biggest changes you've seen in the last three decades, in this industry, in the world, that you're most astounded by. Because I think we're getting used to change. I think for, I didn't grow up with a phone. Like, I got my first phone when I was thirteen or fourteen, and it was a Sony Ericsson, like, brick with a little antenna.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, flip phone.

• 6:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it was one of those, yeah, one of those old flip phones, Sony Ericsson, had a little, you know, antenna on top of it. My mom had one of the big, like, chunky brick-style phones. But I feel like we're getting so used to change being so rapid, that we actually don't spot patterns. If you've spotted any patterns over the last three decades, what would you say they are?

• 6:58Speaker 01

  I don't know if there's patterns, you know, but I think you have to look at them in different sectors, whether it be tech, whether it be the entertainment business. The one pattern I do see, change is happening a lot faster. So.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  The pick up the phone probably took seven years. The speed of adaption, the one big change, it's just now happening very quickly. And that just lets people, you better be really comfortable in the uncomfortable and change. And that's a mindset, that's a process to get to. That's what you have to realize it's, and all this is going to happen a lot quicker now. Which is, I don't think it's good or bad, it just is what it is.

• 7:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love what you just said there. So my entire show, I just went on a world tour. And the entire show was based on the premise of getting the audience to sit in discomfort. So I would literally bring up random audience members and one of them was locked in a box on stage for 15 minutes alone without any sound. We had other audience members come up and have to do tasks that were uncomfortable. I love the idea of getting comfortable.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  You better breathe through it.

• 8:05Jay Shetty?

  You better breathe through it.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the only way to do it.

• 8:07Jay Shetty?

  I was gonna ask you, like, how have you trained your mind to be comfortable with discomfort?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  I'm not sure any of us are really comfortable with ourselves as we mature and kind of get into. I said this to a client today, I said, there was a period of time, I just didn't want anybody to find out that I really wasn't that bright. And it was, you know, I was scared, right? And that, I think, goes back to my childhood and being dyslexic and not believing that, you know, I'm okay, I'm not stupid, right? In my family, stupid was the definition and smart was the, but I started fasting. And once you start doing it, it's not comfortable. And I just started telling, you know, start that little voice. No, I'm not giving in to that little voice. No, I'm getting up even though I don't want to get up.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  And then it's that conversation you're constantly, is that, somebody said, my constant negotiation with myself. And now it's, if I'm, you know, I meditate for 20 minutes every day. It's not easy sitting there for 20 minutes. You, your toe which is something, and you gotta get through it. And it's just, oh, I'm gonna do a cold bath for five minutes every day. That's not fun. And it's just teaching your body, no, you can get through this. I'm not listening to that voice. I'm just breathing through it, I'm just getting through it. And it's been. Probably 15 years of that and it translates into business. Because then, okay, we're taking over IMG.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  I'm gonna move to London for four months. Kids in the family is gonna be on the East Coast for the summer. And it's gonna be brutal. And yeah, you can do that. And or at the UFC. Any of these new tasks that you take on, because you're telling yourself a story that whether it's gonna be good or bad. That's not the truth. You have to just realize that thing's not the truth. And you just have to go through it. Yeah, it's not gonna be easy. So what? Who cares? Like, yes, that's part of the process. That's actually part of the interesting thing that we're all doing.

• 10:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. No, I love that because.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  It did start, though, with not eating.

• 10:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, interesting.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  You know, the, when I started learning about what fasting does or eating windows do to your body and autophagy and et cetera, et cetera. That then got your mind, okay, I can do this. And then you just start building on that. I probably am past the point of health, emotionally healthy. But yes, I'm way past it. But yeah.

• 10:38Jay Shetty?

  No, but I love that because that's super practical, right? Like, that's not an ethereal concept. The idea is you are able to put yourself through things that you didn't want to do.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 10:48Jay Shetty?

  But that were actually good for you. And I find that that's.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  I hope.

• 10:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you're hoping. But the idea that most of what we don't want to do, that we choose to do, is actually what helps us get ahead in life.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  I say, said this to my kids. You know, success is a lot of the things we're talking about. One of it is, and that goes to kind of putting yourself, is showing up. Like, there's a voice saying, you mean, I gotta get on that plane for 16 hours? I gotta just go have a lunch and I gotta fly back from China? I don't wanna do that. Okay, it said, I don't wanna do it, that little voice, I'm doing it. And, and learning to say, oh, that's the voice. No, I'm getting on the plane. And showing up. Kind of going through it. Yeah, that's, that's part of growing up and being successful. A lot of people are too lazy to fight that voice. And over time, when you get older, and I'm a lot older than you, you don't want to fight the voice.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  And all the things I do now is, I think, because as you get older, that voice takes over more and more. It's easy, no, don't get up at five o'clock and work out. No, don't do this. I do it. I don't care. As soon as, as soon as that voice turns on, I say, I'm, I'm doing this.

• 11:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's really interesting you say that because I feel like a lot of people say they can't hear their inner voice. And it's because that inner voice was

• 12:04Speaker 01

  They're just not listening.

• 12:05Jay Shetty?

  It was so loud when we were younger.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:07Jay Shetty?

  But it gets quieter and quieter and quieter because the other voice, we kept listening to it and it got louder and louder and louder. And so now we're having to unlearn that loud voice and

• 12:18Speaker 01

  And for me, it was, for me, it started with fasting periods. You know, I do the 24 and I do 16 and sometimes it's 48 or 60. And, and it's then kind of evolved into multiple things to keep it exercised that I cannot listen to the voice.

• 12:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you need friends who push you to. I remember a few years ago, you know, whether it was skydiving or whether it was cold plunges, as you mentioned there. It's like you need to be surrounded by a community. I just, literally, I've got some friends from London staying with me right now this week. And I took them to do a cold plunge with me, you know, every day. We've been doing a hike every morning. We've been doing infrared saunas.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  And they, they don't do that.

• 12:53Jay Shetty?

  They don't do that. They, they've never done it before and it was just interesting.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  How did they do on their cold plunge?

• 12:57Jay Shetty?

  They did really well and they were saying that because we were, I was like trying to coax them through it and helping them breathe. So on their first time, they did the first one, one of them did four minutes.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  That's incredible.

• 13:07Jay Shetty?

  And the other did three on their first time.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  That's incredible.

• 13:08Jay Shetty?

  And it was amazing.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  You just have to get past the first minute.

• 13:11Jay Shetty?

  Exactly, exactly. So it was a brilliant result, but it was that idea of your community, of people around you.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:17Jay Shetty?

  When you were, I love what you just said there, that you were scared at one point in your life. Of being figured out.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:24Jay Shetty?

  As not being so smart. And you said that came from your childhood and yeah, you had ADHD, dyslexia from, from what I've researched. Walk me through how that idea stays even after you're starting to see success. Because I think people believe that when you become successful, when you close your big deal, when you build a company that some of that goes away.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, did you see that documentary?

• 13:47Jay Shetty?

  Uh, which one?

• 13:48Speaker 01

  The Game Changers. The most recent one that he did. It's just about him kind of growing up and bodybuilding.

• 13:53Jay Shetty?

  I don't think so. I don't think so.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  So he talks about, you know, he won Mr. Olympia. And everybody was telling him how great his body was. Right? And they're all looking like, oh, my God.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  In his head, he was saying, this is wrong, that's wrong, this is wrong. And you're like, nobody would have said that to him.

• 14:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  You know, some people say it's your inner voice, your shadow. My, my shrink used to tell me it's your shadow. Maybe people were thinking I was successful. I was thinking about that kid that couldn't read. And that during Passover, didn't want to read the questions because I, because I was the youngest and going into so, that's why I hate Passover now. The anxiety I had when I was a kid. And so it's just kind of upbringing.

• 14:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Um, I'm no longer dealing with those issues. It's not like I'm beating my chest, oh, I'm successful, but I'm comfortable. And it's that in a good way drove me. Like I'm going to prove everybody wrong and, you know, any bully comes up to me, yep, we're going to get in a fight. Anybody calls me stupid, yep, we're going to get in a fight. Phys, you know, that's when I was young. And it's just held over. And then there's the point in time where you're saying, okay, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm, I'm, I, I have to deal with these crazy, stupid thoughts. Yes, you're successful. Yes, it's okay. Nothing's taking, being taken away from you. And so that just came with age, a lot of shrinks and,

• 15:20Speaker 01

  a lot of other therapies that

• 15:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  we'll get into later.

• 15:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, no, no, but I think it's really important because I think there's two things there. One is that it doesn't go away on its own.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 15:30Jay Shetty?

  Revenge is not the solution or proving someone wrong. It's a good way to start.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Revenge and I would say anger. Got you to a certain point.

• 15:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  You, after you get to a certain point, if you stay with anger and resentment and, and fear.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  You only can get to a certain point in your life. And once you make the transition that, you know, something that's never going to get me over the hump. And you have to get, go a little deeper and that's scary and takes work. When you know, when you sit in yoga, I don't know what it is. It just opens up things to come to you and the process to come to you. And that's what happened at, you know, I don't know when it, when it really happened. Uh, probably 12, 15 years ago that I was on this journey to kind of find out. I don't want to be that guy that's, somebody says something, I go to code red nine. That's not healthy. That's way too much energy.

• 16:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  It's emotional energy that, you know, is exhausting.

• 16:35Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. And that's what it is. It's exhausting. It's draining and it takes away from that creative energy, the spark that's actually pushing you forward.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Things in that actually need to come in that then you can see the world differently. And like, wait a second, like you're not seeing it through those eyes. You're seeing it through a different like way to say, what about this? What about that? And you, you can be creative. That's a better place to be.

• 16:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I wanted to ask you as well, I mean, you probably get asked this all the time, but I think it's important context setting for everyone who's listening. The idea of like sitting in the discomfort as you were talking about it. My wife and I are huge Entourage fans and I can imagine that it's cool, but uncomfortable to have your image displayed in a certain way that has pros and cons and how it's been.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  There was, and there was aspects to that character 100% true.

• 17:25Jay Shetty?

  Which was?

• 17:26Speaker 01

  You know, I, I was very aggressive and you know, when we started the business, we couldn't compete on price because commissions were commissions. There was five other big players and, and we just had a, one, be more creative. Two, more aggressive. Um, and, and fight. So yeah, that was true to form. I mean, not all of it, but in the surrounding, yes. Um, I don't know what Entourage would be now, that character.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  So, um.

• 17:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. And what was, what was stuff where you were like, that's definitely not me? Like, were there any things?

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know. To be candid, that show gave me anxiety.

• 18:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I can imagine. That's what I'm saying.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it gave me a lot of anxiety. So I didn't watch a lot.

• 18:11Jay Shetty?

  Right.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  And people now watch it. I mean, during.

• 18:14Jay Shetty?

  We watched it in the pandemic.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Pandemic, I got a lot of calls from guys I know that had kids and the kids started watching, kids in college started watching. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I didn't see that episode. I, you know, I did watch the episode, which I never did. I think he started to use a squirt gun on people. I didn't see that. I mean, I did see that, but I didn't do that.

• 18:37Jay Shetty?

  It's good to know you didn't use a squirt gun. That's important. How have you harnessed or how has your aggression matured in business? Because the reason why I raise that is because I think, you know, we, we kind of swing in pendulums in the world. So if you think about business back then and how we viewed Wall Street, and even when I was growing up, like, the dream was to be an investment banker. That's what everyone was becoming in London, and that was the big goal when I was a kid.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Did you want to become one?

• 19:06Jay Shetty?

  I wanted to become one without knowing what it was.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, right? Like, you know, that's what happens. And I went to Cass Business School and did management science. And I was training to go off into the corporate world because that's what I thought you had to do.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Don't you remember when you were growing up, the objective was how big the stack was?

• 19:21Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  I never had that objective.

• 19:23Jay Shetty?

  Same.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  For whatever reason, my parents didn't, that was not the objective was to do well in the world and make the world a better place.

• 19:29Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  And I think a lot of my friends, that was, how big is the stack?

• 19:34Jay Shetty?

  Totally. Same, same for me. It was, I, I didn't grow up with a lot. My parents didn't have a lot, but they always gave in charity. They helped the community. My mom did a ton of community work. And then I obviously met monks when I was 18 years old. So like, that became, my paradigm shifted massively. And I was always far more creative than, than anything else. And that's what I enjoyed. But I guess the question I'm asking is, I think we've gone from that very aggressive, very competitive, brash, harsh energy. And then we swing to this pendulum where everyone's like, whoa, no, you just got to be fully like empathetic and vulnerable and compassionate. I'm like, so how do, yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Here's what it is.

• 20:07Jay Shetty?

  What is the middle ground balance? Because the answer is always somewhere in the middle.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Here's, uh, somebody, a really smart person, I won't say who told me.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  You have to know, and this only comes with time and maturity, when you're on the field. When you're on the field, it's kill the other dude. When you're not on the field, you don't have to kill the other dude. For you, it's gotta be a good deal. For me, it's gotta be a good deal, et cetera. But when you're on the field, you wanna win. You just have to realize when you're not on the field. The problem is, I think people don't realize when they're not on the field. And that has come over time, like, when am I on the field? Okay, when I'm on the field, I'm playing to win. When I'm not on the field, I can be in a different mindset. That shift for me, going to fear, anger, dah dah dah, I always thought I was on the field.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  And for a long time, to get the company where I wanted, I was always on the field. Now I don't have to be on the field all the time. And that not being on the field enables you to think properly and just let things in and grow. That gets you to other things that all of a sudden affect the field in a different way. You have different moves. It's probably how great players, as they get older, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, their bodies are not the same, but they're better players. Because they just know how to do it differently. So when I'm not on the field, I'm not on the field. When I'm on the field, I'm playing pretty hard.

• 21:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's a really unique insight. I like that. Because I feel like that's also what challenges people in their personal relationships. Because not only are people not on and off the field in business, they don't know how to switch it off when they go home.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:51Jay Shetty?

  And so your wife and your kids, or your husband, or your partner, or whoever it may be, ends up getting that same treatment as you do at work, because you haven't reached that maturity level of knowing how to... And it's not as easy as a light switch.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 22:02Jay Shetty?

  Like, it's not just, oh, I'm work hat off, work hat on. It doesn't work like that.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  And your partner, depending on what they do, you might be off the field, they might be on the field.

• 22:11Jay Shetty?

  They wanna be on the field.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Right, because they're going through their thing. It's just like, that's what it is.

• 22:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  So.

• 22:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I just got back from tour and we went to Bali for a couple of weeks just to relax with me and my wife. And it's so funny, because she's a...

• 22:22Speaker 01

  What does she do?

• 22:23Jay Shetty?

  She's a vegan chef and recipe developer. And incredible with knows everything about Ayurveda and herbs and nutrition. And she's made me very healthy compared to what I used to be. But but she's on the field right now because her career is booming. She's doing incredibly well and it's so fun to watch. And it's so funny because I was like, yeah, we're going to Bali. She's like, you know what? I think we're going there for a bit long. And I was like, that was me. Like, I used to say that like five years ago.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  And so it's just like, OK, it's not only your life.

• 22:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  You have two people and you just have to navigate. Oh, I'm not on the field. She, OK, I got to think about this maybe. Even though I want to be there three weeks, maybe it's only a week and a half.

• 22:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  And I'll just be off the field here. I'll figure out what to do.

• 23:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. And and I think it's hard because I think, yeah, we struggle when you've done for for other people too. When you've said things, when you're on the field, it's hard for the person, especially in business, for now to view you differently when you're off the field. It's

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Every marriage, every relationship, every personal situation changes after 10 years. I was I'm not the same person I was from 95 to 2005. I'm not the same person from 2005 to 2015. I'm definitely not the same person from 15 now. And yeah, people's viewpoints of me is probably what it was in 97, 98, 99. And let me just say something. That guy was not, I mean, he was a good guy, but he was always on the field. And he was a shame, nervous, angry fighter. Not that I'm not aspects of those things working on them, but

• 23:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, that changes.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  It's hard when they come into your relationship, they have all this. Now they can read everything, see everything and like, oh, that's the guy.

• 23:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Or not. That's why I'm doing this, dude.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  I'm such a gentle, nice, hugging.

• 24:07Jay Shetty?

  Well, no, I, the reason why I also enjoy these conversations is because I think I struggle with that in perception too, where I feel people believe that someone who is mindful or meditative has to be a certain way at all times.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Do you know when you're on the field?

• 24:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and and that's why I love that piece of advice is that you you said it in a way that I think makes it so easy to think about. And that's why I really appreciate it. And that's exactly what it is for me like, and my team knows that they they can see that when I'm in the zone and I'm not, or where I'm winning my home kit or away kit, like however you put it like.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Yes, I like that home kid.

• 24:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, home Jazzy, away Jazzy, right? Like, and I can I can feel that. And I think that You have to know that, but I think the idea is that we like to simplify people because it makes it easier for us to.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  If you're going after the stack and that's the goal, right? Which is like crazy, like.

• 24:59Jay Shetty?

  Agreed.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  It's so arbitrary, the stack. You're always on field.

• 25:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  What you don't realize is you can be happy at whatever the level of stack is.

• 25:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  There's just a different way to think about it and you will get to a very big stack by figuring out this first if when you're on the field or when you're off the field.

• 25:19Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, and I think that's the difference. I wanted to ask you the difference in success and happiness or success and contentment? Because you've, it sounds like you've worked on both and tried to be conscious of both. What, how have you seen the difference and how do you work on them?

• 25:35Speaker 01

  I was never content before. Probably the first 20 years of business. I mean, I was just, I was gonna prove everybody wrong. I was gonna prove to myself I wasn't stupid. I was, and I was just running hard. When I say this word, that doesn't mean that I'm not in business. I'm content and all the things I thought about that I wanted to accomplish and how I saw the world kind of played out. I'm a really lucky guy. I'm comfortable that I'm not stupid and I got a lot more I want to accomplish because I want to accomplish it, not to get the stack any bigger. And I'm happy doing that. That's a completely different place from the first 20 years where I had no idea.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  I just, I thought about the stack and what success was in such a different way than I think about it now.

• 26:26Jay Shetty?

  And do you think everyone, there's that brilliant quote from Jim Carrey where he said that everyone should become rich and famous and achieve everything they ever wanted just to realize that it's not the point? Do you think that there is something?

• 26:39Speaker 01

  He said that?

• 26:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Oh, that's genius.

• 26:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, I love that statement because I feel like there's.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  I love that statement.

• 26:45Jay Shetty?

  There's something about pursuing success as you see it, which may not be a perfect definition.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:49Jay Shetty?

  Experiencing some success and then going, well, wait a minute, this wasn't it. And I feel like, because you always hear successful people say, oh, it isn't it. But it's almost like, I think.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm happy where I am.

• 26:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  I'm really, I'm, I'm so glad that it played out. Those statements are actually accurate, you know, like. It's enabled me now to kinda, when I started this 12 years or whatever,

• 27:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  to get to this place. I'm not sure I would have ever gotten to it.

• 27:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, with a different mindset.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And in 95, you had a big accident, right? Like, there was something that really woke you up.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  It was 93.

• 27:22Jay Shetty?

  93.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  I was working at ICM. There was a breakfast place called Kate Van Alen's. I was walking down Wilshire. It was about three blocks away. Coming back and I, and just sitting on the curb, I said to myself, I was going to the breakfast like, wow, you know, I gotta move back from this curb. These cars could hit you. And I was not in the street. Cut to I'm walking back from breakfast in the crosswalk, right outside of where the ICM building was. And a flatbed truck didn't see me, took a left onto Wilshire, hit my left side, nine o'clock in the morning, Friday. Guess what happens? Your life changes. You're like, life's not a dress rehearsal. Was laying in there. I just wiggled my fingers and toes. I said, okay, I'm not crippled.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Kind of, I was outside, my body screaming. I was laying there, watching myself scream. And then I just said to myself, life's not a dress rehearsal. I did a rehab because I couldn't bend my leg. And then I did a surgery on my leg. And then I did another rehab. So that was 18 months of hell.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  And then I said, what do you want to do? And I definitely didn't want to be at ICM.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  You know, what was the, what was the phrase I used to hear when I was at ICM back in 90? He was like, I cover myself. That's what it stood for. So there was no camaraderie, culture, anything. And so me and three other guys decided to start when I could be healthy. And we kind of get it in 95. On my birthday, March 29th, we let loose. So, and that, that was the catalyst to say, life's not a dress rehearsal. You were to get to what you want to get to. And that kind of thesis is at the 20 year mark, changing how I look at life. And am I still going to be that envy guy? You know, all the different routes we all take in our lives to get to where the end is. So.

• 29:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Did you try and change certain aspects of the culture based on that statement that you built? Or did you find that?

• 29:23Speaker 01

  I just wanted to treat people well, you know, inside and share clients and communicate better. And there was a guy by the name of Phil Raskin, the first employee. And they fired him. In the Israeli army, you don't let anybody stay. You know, you take, you go get the bodies. So I said, you're hired. Now, we had no money. We were not making any money. And I said, we're hiring you if they're firing you. And how we treat people was kind of the crucial thing different about how we did things.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  I think one of them. And I think it's progressed. I don't know if it's perfect now. You'll have to ask the guys running the agency right now, but I think overall, I hope people feel that way.

• 30:08Jay Shetty?

  What was it like building something from scratch when there wasn't any money? Because I feel like it's easy to look at you now and every, you know, it's

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Well, there was two years.

• 30:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  And

• 30:16Jay Shetty?

  No salary because you're out on your own. There's

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Well, we were being, we were, we were in a tussle with ICM over commissions and because we couldn't take the commissions because they said they deserved it because we're in a contact, this whole like, and they were going to sue us for certain things. And, um, and so we had no money. I mean, we knew things we had money, but a lot of stuff was old stuff. About a year, year and a half, two years in, we settled. I might be getting dates wrong, but right around then. And then we had money. And, and in that period of time, the world changed. Mike Ovis left the business who was the god and Ron Meyer, Bill Haber. And then Gavin Pallone left this company, UTA. And a lot of shifting happened and we had put on,

• 31:02Speaker 01

  we had taken a couple people from CA, Marty Ehlmann. And, and we put on a bunch of TV shows that were successful and we had money because of those, because they were going into syndication and packages. And so it was like free agency in baseball. We have money and people are like shifting, what are they doing? And we were home. We got, you know, we're just timing. And we were in the right place at the right time.

• 31:25Jay Shetty?

  What was the hardest thing you had to do in those two years?

• 31:27Speaker 01

  You just had to work, you know, with no money.

• 31:29Jay Shetty?

  Just putting the time.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Just putting the time and you were doing 17 hour, 18 hour days.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Wife was pregnant at the time, my ex-wife, with our eldest.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  And keep on building and how are we gonna do it? And, you know, the five of us, I think Marty had joined and then two and a half years in, Patrick Weitzel had joined. And just kinda how we keep on progressing and doing it. Like, with no, none of us had ever done it before. We were all, as my father was saying in Yiddish, we were all pishers, you know, those small nothings. And so we just figured it out. But, you know, it wasn't like, oh, we went from no money to, uh. Yeah. It was nothing.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  And it was, we were happy. Yeah. We were really happy because we were in our own heads. It was, it was successful. And it was hard, but we had fun. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

• 32:26Jay Shetty?

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• 33:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, while I was a student and before I ever started doing things online, I used to do events in my local area in London. And like 10 people would show up every week to hear me speak about spirituality, psychology, human behavior. And I loved it. I did it for 10 years before.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  So you went to school to possibly be a banker.

• 34:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  And then what would, not that this, we're going to reverse the interview now. What was the transition to like, oh, I don't want to do this? What happened in your mind or life event?

• 34:21Jay Shetty?

  So I think life event that I met a monk. And I'd never met a monk before at school. So they would come in, we'd have speakers come in, whether it would be CEOs or athletes or celebrities or former alumni or whatever it may be. And one day a monk was invited to speak at a small college session. And some of my friends were getting.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  A business session?

• 34:40Jay Shetty?

  No, no, no, not a business session. Just a general, like, yeah. And I was invited to go because some of my friends were getting into meditation at the time. This is early, like, we're talking about like 2006, 2007. So we were doing that and it was, and my friends were kind of getting into that space. So they were telling me to come along and I was like, yeah, I'll go if we go to a bar afterwards. Like, that's the kind of guy I was growing up. And so I went along.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  And you weren't married at the time?

• 35:02Jay Shetty?

  No, no, I'm 18 years old.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:03Jay Shetty?

  I'm 18 years old. I'm, you know, about to start college around that time. And so I go to this event and I hear this monk speak and I'm kind of there going, okay, when are we going to leave? Like, who cares about this stuff? Well, how does this benefit my life? And I actually walked away feeling completely just reflective because this monk was saying that the greatest gift was to use your skills in the service of others. Like he was saying that whatever you've been given.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  That was his main theme.

• 35:28Jay Shetty?

  That was his main theme to improve other people's lives. And it was like, I'd never heard that from anyone before at 18. And I realized that when I was 18, I'd met people who were rich and famous and beautiful.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  And you thought that was, that was a stack.

• 35:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but I was like, this is, this guy seems happy. He seems content. He has something that.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  At what point in the lecture did that like hit you? Because at one point you're saying, let's go get some beers.

• 35:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, at the beginning, I was kind of like, okay, what is he going to say? When he came out and, you know, he's dressed in robes and he was from India and like, you know, I'm a kid in London, like, you know, there's nothing externally attractive about him. And then as he spoke, like, as I actually listened to him, I was just mesmerized. And so I said to him, I just want to follow you around. So I ended up following him around for the rest of that week. He was doing events in London, homes and different things. And then at temples. And then I started visiting him in my summer and Christmas vacations in India.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 36:19Jay Shetty?

  And then when I graduated from college, I went and actually lived with him as a monk for three years in India and the UK.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  And what did your parents say?

• 36:27Jay Shetty?

  They were like completely like scared and worried.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  What's going on with our school?

• 36:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and all of our friends and family, he's been brainwashed. It was, it was like, it's really interesting because, and I'll talk to this about perception. It's really interesting because everyone now is kind of like, oh Jay, you're just, you know, this is a good story. And I'm like, dude, when I chose to become a monk, it was not a good story. People thought it was the dumbest idea of all time. Like, it was like career suicide.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Like this poor kid.

• 36:50Jay Shetty?

  You've been brainwashed. Like what happened to this kid who got a first class honors degree at university, straight A's, you know, like what is going on here? And all of a sudden, I'm taking this path.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  Your parents must have freaked out.

• 37:00Jay Shetty?

  My parents freaked out and my extended family freaked out even more, which made my parents freak out more.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  They came from India?

• 37:06Jay Shetty?

  Correct, yeah, yeah.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  So that upbringing and that.

• 37:10Jay Shetty?

  Going back that way?

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 37:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. So, and, but I felt called. I started listening to my inner voice when I was 14 years old and it's been so loud ever since. I don't know any other way to go. And so for me, it was so, so loud. And so that was the shift in my trajectory where.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  So you come out after three years? What happens?

• 37:28Jay Shetty?

  I hoped I'd do it forever. Uh, and that, I really thought I was going to do it for the rest of my life. It did not work out.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  And so what was, why?

• 37:34Jay Shetty?

  Couple of things. One thing was like, it's super tough on your health to live communally. Like when you're living potentially sometimes with 30 people in a room, 100 people in a room, people wake up at different times. You're being woken up by everyone. The common cold, you're sharing baths, showers, like, you know, like the spaces.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  Just life.

• 37:49Jay Shetty?

  Everything's communal in that space. It's hard on my, it was hard on my immune system to live in that way. Of course, I'm a kid from London. Like, I didn't grow up with lots of comforts, but it was definitely more comfortable than a monastery. And then on top of all of that, I just had this honest transparency, and that's what monk teachings are meant to do. It's meant to make you self-aware. And my self-awareness was, I'm quite independent, I'm quite a rebel. Like, I like doing things my way. And I feel

• 38:14Speaker 01

  This is not that.

• 38:15Jay Shetty?

  This is not that. I feel like I want to share what I've learned in this cool, accessible, relevant way.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Where the world is.

• 38:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, where the world is, which is the world I come from. And if I stay here, then I'm actually going to be pretending to be someone I'm not. And so it's like, I'm going to go back and, you know, be myself.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  That's a big, that's a big thought.

• 38:31Jay Shetty?

  It was, it was, and I had no idea what that meant then, but I just know that it was loud and that it was real and that.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  It had, it had to happen.

• 38:38Jay Shetty?

  It had to happen. It was, you know, I think, it's funny, your, your brother said this about you. He said that, he said this in his, in his book, Brothers Manual. The speed, danger and risk that make other people nervous make guys like Ari Serene. And, and it's, and I want to dive into that with you, but for me, that's what it was that.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  You didn't know where it was, but you knew you had to be on that road.

• 38:58Jay Shetty?

  Yes, and, and I don't know how to stop myself. I can't pretend to myself is, is where I've always been. Like, I have to be all of myself. And I'm, and when decisions are against the grain and no one agrees, chances are I'm on the right path. And so even when I came back, then I had the opposite where everyone around me was like, you wasted three years, look at everyone around you, they've got jobs now.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  What are they saying now?

• 39:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well, I mean, obviously it changes now.

• 39:26Jay Shetty?

  Obviously it changes now, but, but it's anyway.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Isn't it, I, I had this, I sent this email out to the company. You know, most people think success is this.

• 39:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  That's success.

• 39:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  And that you just, it's your journey.

• 39:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  And it just, you don't know where it's still going, but it's probably going to go this way and then it's going to go that, you know?

• 39:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. How, how have you had the courage, going back on that same point? How have you had the courage to be open to speed, danger and risk when other people thought? Especially what, what I think we don't recognize is as you become more successful, as you make bigger decisions, it's not that just more doors open. Sometimes there's even more doubt. Because now people are like, can he, can he get the next one right?

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Most people don't want to risk it all.

• 40:08Jay Shetty?

  Correct.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Once you get to something like, why would I risk that?

• 40:10Jay Shetty?

  Correct.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Like, why do that? You're, it's going to be on a perfect glide path.

• 40:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  So I've said this before in certain interviews, I don't remember exactly which one. When you're in a class and you're figuring out where to sit in the class, because you think you've psychologically figured out if I sit here, the teacher won't call on you to read. And you're so anxious and you're so nervous and you're so afraid. It's not like I don't get anxious about big deals. I mean, I got really sick doing the UFC deal. Moving, I am moving to London, not great for four months when we took over, right? Yeah, so what? You know, I'm not nervous about those things. I don't know why, it's just my upbringing. You know, things I went through that I could get over.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  So, working hard, doing all the things, showing up, you know, getting on that plane for the lunch in China and then flying back after the lunch. That's kind of how I operate my life. I don't know how, what my mom fed me or did and my dad. But yeah, I'm not, I'm not worried about the hard work and all of it takes hard work, as you know. And I'm not trying to prove to anybody what, I'm not letting their definition of success, not success, what I should do, what I shouldn't do, dictate what I want to do like you. I got my own ideas about what I want to do. I just keep on following them. Hopefully, I keep on getting in tune with my voices, definitely listening to people

• 41:44Speaker 01

  in my life that I trust. But then, you know, it's like, okay, it's time to bet, like we just did with WWE and doing something new and here's what we're gonna do. Yeah, those are not easy decisions and.

• 41:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, it's really interesting because even.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  But I'm very comfortable in the uncomfortable. I'm really comfortable in the uncomfortable. I think when most people don't like uncomfortable conversations, don't like to be uncomfortable in business, don't like that, I do enjoy that a lot. I like awkward, I'm comfortable in awkward. I like just saying what it is. I do not care. You can like me, not like me. I was never one of the cool guys. I'm good.

• 42:28Jay Shetty?

  I, I think it was so funny because Mike Milken was sitting in your seat yesterday, just here, and, and it was interesting because there's this shared experience of there's a healed sense of self-worth, but then there's this embracing our own insignificance. Like you just said, you're like, I'm also insignificant. And it's really interesting because everyone who's kind of has a settled mind.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  I'm not sure people get to the second one.

• 42:54Jay Shetty?

  But, but we need to.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 42:56Jay Shetty?

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• 45:28Speaker 01

  I've had this conversation with many people, this concept of legacy. And once you actually believe it, not just say it. I mean, presidents have legacies, I guess. Some entertainers have legacies, sports stars have legacies. Business people, no, they don't have legacies. And once you get to that point and comfortable in that point, this whole concept that, what's my legacy? Which is a jerk-off conversation. You can move past a lot of this stuff.

• 45:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  You mean, we're sitting there, what's my legacy?

• 46:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's a bad question.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  It's a bad question. Like, that's why you're doing it?

• 46:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, that's crazy.

• 46:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, I, you know what? I think it comes from, I think we never get to embrace our own insignificance because we're scared of where it leads to low self-esteem. So there's that angle.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  But that definitely, I don't have that.

• 46:20Jay Shetty?

  Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the deeper angle, which is what you're raising, is that I think as humans, we're so addicted to immortality. Because at least from a spiritual point of view, our consciousness and energy is immortal. And there's such an addiction to immortality and longevity that we have, that for us to live after we die, we think the only way...

• 46:40Speaker 01

  All right, so here's my thought process about that. Because people, because, I mean, I am a crazy health nut. I mean, I do some crazy stuff.

• 46:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I'm into it too.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  I'm really, really crazy. But for me, it's not about living forever. It's about being healthy while I live.

• 46:55Jay Shetty?

  Same, agreed.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  As long as I am, because I see people that are older, that are prisoners in their bodies, as when they get to their 60s, 70s, 80s. I'm not doing that. The best thing that could happen is it's over.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Would be incredible and you die in your sleep like it's over. But until that point in time, I'm playing golf, I'm going on hikes, I'm surfing, I'm doing my thing. This whole thing about this whole world of, and I hack.

• 47:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  I hack myself to do that, but it's not to live forever. And so that's the objective.

• 47:33Jay Shetty?

  Yes. Yeah. No, I get that and I'm totally aligned with that. I feel the same way like I don't think it's.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  What's the craziest thing you do for your health?

• 47:41Jay Shetty?

  I mean, I, I've been recent because I'm still young. There's certain things that people don't recommend yet. And so like, I've been talking to people about like stem cell treatments and things like that. I don't know if you've done any stem cell therapy or anything like that.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:51Jay Shetty?

  But okay, so I haven't done any of it either, but everyone's always like, Joe, you're too young to start these kinds of things right now. But I'd say the craziest thing I do right now is same as you, like the fasting, the cold plunging, the infrared saunas, the, the deep rest and sleep, the meditation has been a part of my life for seventeen, eighteen.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  You gotta push steel.

• 48:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Yes.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  You got, you gotta do weights.

• 48:09Jay Shetty?

  I had to stop that last year for a, I, I had, I had, I had surgery. So I had to stop, but yes, I usually do weight training.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Do that. You have to do stuff for your kind of CO2, your oxygen, your ability. How old are you now?

• 48:20Jay Shetty?

  Thirty-five.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you're right at the, right if you do now, right?

• 48:23Jay Shetty?

  This is the time. Yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  You gotta reduce as much as you can, your inflammation. You gotta have gut health.

• 48:28Jay Shetty?

  Yes, this is exactly.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  And then you have to figure out how to balance your glucose. If you can do those things.

• 48:35Jay Shetty?

  Yep.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  You have thirty-five percent chance of getting to the objective of one night, you just don't wake up.

• 48:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:43Jay Shetty?

  Are you plant-based as well or you, you tried to be?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Here's what it is because I'm sixty-two.

• 48:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:47Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  So I was a lectin-free vegan, following Dr. Gundry's, who got me when I had my thyroid problem, really healthy. The problem is now, because I do push a lot of steel, I do do heavy cardio, I do do a lot of that stuff. I have to have some protein in my diet. So I have moved up. To probably very healthy, you know, grass fed, grass finished, no corn in it, all the stuff that causes inflammation. I have moved up into probably three or four days of meat. And then the rest, um, lectin free, vegan.

• 49:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What's the craziest therapy you've done? You mentioned earlier, there were some different.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  I, you know, I take helmets from Thailand and from the UK every morning. I do light therapy every morning after the cold plunge. I mean, if, if I showed you the list now, you'd be like, oh, you've, you've lost the plot, Ari.

• 49:44Jay Shetty?

  No, I love it. That's why you look that good.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Here's what happens though. As I go down all these paths, I always call my brother Zeke.

• 49:51Jay Shetty?

  Yep.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  And I only have the following question, and then he has to do the work and I do work too. I said, okay, uh, can it kill me? Can it injure me or hurt me? If the answer comes back, no, I do it. So I started on, you know, the live microbes or microscopy can't see them. I drink them every morning now. I've gotten to a place where I, I do that. I worked with this guy, um, uh, from, from Duke as I read an article about him. And people are like, what are you doing? Like, and I say the great line to them, see, watch their facial expression. I said, well, they don't colonize in your system. And you know, you can see them like. And so this goes to like, all right, I'm not, I'm just going to try these things as long as it can't hurt me. The list is vast.

• 50:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, that's great. No, it's great. I think it's, I mean, this is where, this is where the world's heading. And I think everyone's looking for solutions and looking for ways. So I love hearing about it from you and it's, and it's great. And it shows, right? I feel like you, you seem really vibrant, energetic and, and I think that's the key, right? It's vitality, I think.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Well, but the back is not turned into a mouse that's hunched over.

• 50:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen those?

• 50:59Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  That, that, that, that scares me.

• 51:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  I will do anything not to, because then it's not, you're going to be a prisoner in your body.

• 51:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a powerful statement.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  That's not that's not where you want to be in life.

• 51:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, talking about athletic bodies, you you talked about what you did with the WWE there. I remember when you first got involved with the UFC.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:19Jay Shetty?

  There was a lot of like doubt as to how big it could get, I believe. Or there was a bit of skepticism. How do you? How do you? When you're making a decision that's big money, big risk and danger, going back to that point. But then everyone else is like, oh, it's a lot of risk. This is like, don't know if it's going to work out. But then you're like, no, I know where this is going to go. How do you? How have you found that confidence?

• 51:40Speaker 01

  The first thing that I mean, the first thing that I do. I mean, I'm assuming you do it. Anybody successful do it. I read a lot.

• 51:45Jay Shetty?

  Yep.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  And I I I ask a lot of questions to. Once I read an article, if I understand it, don't understand it, I want the I I call the person or I call the person in the article. And that happened early on, how we started the firm. I, you know, we were in the representation business. And then I said, well, we have all this business. I want to buy something that we own. I thought sports was going someplace that with increased distribution, it was going to be more valuable. And so it was like, there's not many sports you can own. I was already in business with UFC. We did all the work about where we could take the economics internationally. Sponsored you. It was an easy bet.

• 52:21Jay Shetty?

  And it worked out.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Well.

• 52:22Jay Shetty?

  It's worked.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Well, the the world changed on me at the time for the like Fox sold to Disney. So those two buyers out. Donald Trump wouldn't let AT&T buy Time Warner. So those two buyers are out. And the rest of the they didn't. Nobody else wanted it at the time because they already had too much. So so it was nerve wracking for a while. But then the world changed.

• 52:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's fascinating to me because I think that everyone in their micro universe or any universe is always having to make tough decisions that a lot of people around them don't understand. Whether someone listening to this right now is trying to start a new health regime, whether someone's trying.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Well, there's not a pill.

• 53:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  In anything we do, as we now know. There's not like, because I don't know about you, people come to me, so what's the one thing? One thing?

• 53:09Jay Shetty?

  There is no one thing.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  I do seventeen things, like, and it's grown from ten.

• 53:13Jay Shetty?

  Yep. Yeah, I don't like being asked the one thing at all.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  It doesn't work.

• 53:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And that's why, that's why the questions I'm asking you, I'm fascinated by the, the, the thought process.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Well, you're, you're just, you're, in our lives, we're just gathering information, gathering thought process, gathering, gathering perspectives. And then we go hunting for things that we want to do and where we think the world's going. And then, once you get to that point, like, okay, you talk to a lot of people, you have to, for me, talk to investors, et cetera. And then you're, then you're launched. And then there's, I think, I might get this story wrong. Disney, when they bought Cap Cities, which had ESPN, they valued ESPN at zero at the time. And at the, and when it came out, it was the most valuable asset. Again, success, right? Who knows?

• 54:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  You know, you can do all the work, you can do, and then all of a sudden, get into the pool, the water's warm, dude, you gotta start swimming.

• 54:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And that, and that's what I think. I think there is so much pressure around making the right decision as opposed to making your decision right. Right? Like, as in you've, I think a lot of people spend a lot of time going, is this the right decision? Is this the right thing to invest in? I'm like, well, make the decision and then make it right.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  We started, how many people can handle change and fear the, I mean, you just have to be comfortable in the uncomfortable and.

• 54:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What have you seen? You've worked with talent. I know you still do in, in, in some intimate ways.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  I work with a lot of talent.

• 54:43Jay Shetty?

  Okay, you still do, all right. I've heard you say, but I was like, I was thinking, there's, most of, but you're working with the business as well as much as, yeah.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:51Jay Shetty?

  So when you're working with talent, what have you seen has been the? Because I think it was interesting, I was saying when I was young, everyone wanted to be an investment banker. Now we know in America, most people want to be influencers, creators, something to do YouTube. What have you seen have been the best choices that talent have made long term for their successful careers? Or where are some of the mistakes?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  I think most talent now realizes they're the asset and it's kind of moving towards them. And a lot of them are starting to try and figure out, like, okay, what does that mean? Can I own other businesses? Can I get equity? That'd be Ryan Reynolds, Dwayne Johnson, Mark Wahlberg, these people, right? And I think that's been at that level. We're going to go through a whole iteration right now with AI that is gonna, I think, I don't know what it's gonna do, but it's gonna transfer one more time our business, I think in a good way, in that I think people are gonna have more free time than ever. They're gonna want movies. They're gonna want entertainment. They're gonna need more. I think that we're gonna go down to a permanent four day work week. Governments are gonna need it for

• 55:57Speaker 01

  full employment. And that means the weekend is starting on Thursday night. And that means that's three days where people need personal interaction. And so the value proposition, especially as distribution changes, you're gonna go to six wifi. You're now seeing more distribution, Rumble picking up shows, I mean, it's just expanding and expanding. Our job is to create a place where our talent can create, really for the first time, even more exponentially, become their own brands and own businesses and do things that they, not just the movie, not just to tell other things. And we'll be successful for them and they'll be successful as long as we can create this kind of perfect architecture.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  And we're not perfect at it yet, but we're getting better at it. And those are the clients that we want to be in business across podcast, all the different things. And that's the hardest thing that we're trying to build now in this transition. But that's where I think the world.

• 57:10Jay Shetty?

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• 57:30Speaker 03

  Mr. President, my company foreme of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami.

• 57:37Jay Shetty?

  They all keep the blame on me.

• 57:39Speaker 04

  Tom Cruise is. Digger got us into this mess and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and the Revenant.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  What would happen if I stopped growing? You starve, you freeze to death, that's what.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  I'm not the first nanny.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Not a minute without parent.

• 58:01Speaker 05

  How about a latte?

• 58:02Speaker 04

  Maybe dark roast?

• 58:03Speaker 05

  Vanilla?

• 58:04Speaker 04

  Caramel?

• 58:04Speaker 05

  Blueberry?

• 58:05Speaker 06

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• 58:27Speaker 01

  How's this going?

• 58:28Jay Shetty?

  Interesting. Four-day work weeks.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  I think that's, I think, I think.

• 58:31Jay Shetty?

  Even if it's unofficial.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  I, I, I don't know. Governments, I think, because of AI, and I'm saying probably in two, three, four years, for full employment and they're gonna need it for social non-unrest. You're gonna have, and you know, you have COVID. That's almost a four-day work week now because people don't go into the office on Fridays. That means Thursday night, what are you doing?

• 58:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Well, I'm in the entertainment. That's the, that's the objective. And so that's what we've been building, like, events. Madrid Open, Barrett-Jackson, Art Show, et cetera. And that's where I think the world's sporting events, et cetera. So I think entertainment's can become more valuable than it's ever become. I don't think it's as, will be as disrupted by AI. There'll be some disruption in it.

• 59:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, it's incredible to think about that because yeah, I think people are really looking for more alternatives and options, especially for that human connection point you were talking about. How have you found it as a leader to have that where you've gone from everyone being in an office in an agency to then people working from home? Like, how have you navigated that to continue that like creativity?

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Well, listen, we have, you know, we've, we, we had done this a long time ago. We just restarted. We did a, we did a, a, a book club, not the way we used to do with, on, with Rick Rubin on his new book. We do, we had a lecture on antisemitism. We're trying to get people in groups, talking about big issues to kind of keep the company together from, you know, we're in, I don't know, thirty seven countries. So that people get to, there's a communal, and they, we're going to start a big retreat again, which we hadn't done in a lot of years because of COVID. So that's the way we foresee doing that.

• 1:00:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And, and I think that that's.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  That just keeps, hopefully, and we just have to keep on working on how we keep that connection ongoing in the company.

• 1:00:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  You know, because you do want, if you, the architecture, right? You do want the licensing group talking to the motion picture group, talking to the online, on location group to create an experience. And you want all those pieces and, and the outside world and the clients is asking for it too. So that's where we have to.

• 1:00:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I worked with so many organizations before and during mainly the pandemic and then even after. And the transitions I've seen are incredible because whether a company was growing rapidly. So I was working with Zoom. They were having the best success as a company financially, but it was like they had to scale like what was a small organization really quickly. And so like the burnout that comes with that is really, really hard. And then you had other organizations, obviously like travel entertainment, live entertainment.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Down.

• 1:01:09Jay Shetty?

  Down, struggling with that and hurting morale. And so it's really interesting to see how they both bounce back because it was hard either way. And it's really, you always think, oh, they're successful. They don't, it's hard, success is hard.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  I promise you, it's hard for them now.

• 1:01:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, of course it is. Of course it is. It's, it's so complicated and.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  It's really complicated now.

• 1:01:25Jay Shetty?

  Success is hard and failure is hard.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Running a business, I don't. Any one of them?

• 1:01:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Brutal.

• 1:01:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What have been some of your, what would you say the last few years has been one of like your biggest misses? Or your biggest failures that you look back and go, that taught me a lot?

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Well, I'll say the following, because it was a success. And it was only success because I thought we had to like shut everything down. And Dana White at the O C said to me, uh-uh, we're not shutting down. I got scared and he like slammed me across the face, no, no, we're going. And then he said, give me an island. And, you know, I was like, you know, my brother's a doctor, he's telling me where the world's going. I'm like, and he was like, mm-mm, we're, and he was just driving that train. And so we got him an island and he did everything else. And, and, um, you know, kind of just remind me like, yeah, it's, it's, it's nerve wracking, but don't be scared.

• 1:02:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  And he was like, amazing.

• 1:02:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  And I was like on the other side of that fence. And I said, you know, and that's why I have a great partner. He's an incredible partner.

• 1:02:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  But I, I for the first time got really scared. And he just said, no, we just have to go. And we're going to take all the heat for it. And it was a lot of heat against him and, but we did it. If we didn't have that, the whole company would have been tanked. Because we needed the ESPN deal to continue to go, we needed to put on fights. And his, his courage, like dragging me along was incredible.

• 1:02:53Jay Shetty?

  The industry today, I feel like cancel culture, heat culture, like it's got, it's got hotter, basically, because there's more people to cancel, there's more things that people are sensitive or care about or believe in and values. Like, how do, how do you as a talent agent think about artists going through that? Because I'm sure you've seen over the years, just, so I coach a lot of people in the music business, actors, like sports people. I coach so many people in the industry.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Don't jump in the water, because most people want to respond. The news cycle is so fast. Unless you've committed murder and something, whatever,

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  let it go. The thought process is, I gotta jump in and respond. Then it just, the story just continues. The news cycle, I used to say it's like one day. It's less than a half a day now. And if you just get out of this emotional mindset that you have to respond and they have to know, really? Nobody's even, like, it's over. Don't respond. And that's kind of, I think, the hardest thing for any artist.

• 1:03:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. How have you, how have you worked with, because I'm guessing you, you almost by job have to become a coach sometimes to the people you work with?

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  This is my, this is my, this is my line of like, why are you responding?

• 1:04:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Don't. Like, they want you to respond because then they keep on getting the click.

• 1:04:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Thank God I'm not on social media.

• 1:04:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  I won't do it. I won't. I mean, I get it, you know?

• 1:04:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  Sometimes my kids send it to me.

• 1:04:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  My wife sends it to me. I don't look at it.

• 1:04:21Jay Shetty?

  What, what's something that you're trying to immerse into your children? Like, I mean, you were just, your son was just calling you, just talking. You're like, what's, what's something that you feel you really want them to know and learn at the stages they are in their life?

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  I just hope, I think they get it. It was so funny. My, my youngest son is now training. He goes to Michigan, he's working up at Apple right now at Apple Maps. And he's decided, comes out of his, he's going into his junior, he's training, he's training for a triathlon, a junior. What I loved about him is he did the work. And what I mean by did the work, and it was like shocking hearing. I was just such a proud father. He talked about how you run better and how the people in Kenya run better because they're on their toes. And he'd done all this research about it and he started doing it. First three weeks was brutal on his legs, but he's gotten faster. On the bike, you have to do it in a box, Dad. Here's what, and I ride and do epoxy training and all this stuff. And I said, you're right, it does.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  And he has not stopped training. You know, he's 21 years old, you know. I remember how I was at 21 years old. I wouldn't have been doing that. But his work about how to get better. He swam double the length this time. He's got a month left. And just the amount of work he's put into it. The thought process behind it, the research he did. I'm like, I mean, you couldn't be prouder. And all of them, I just try and teach him one thing. You gotta work hard and you gotta show up. The results, you're not gonna control. If you do those things, and there's many other things that we all can on the list. But those are kind of it. You work really hard, you show up.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  Outcomes you can't control. That's what you want.

• 1:06:07Jay Shetty?

  Good advice. I love that. It's, Ari, it's been such a joy talking to you today.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:06:11Jay Shetty?

  You've been such a, like, it's been such a treat, just like, I feel like we've been playing tennis. Or pickleball.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  I got my wife.

• 1:06:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, paddle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, I was gonna say, I need a pair of those.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  I will just send one of those. You'll send me the shoe size and everything. We'll get them for you.

• 1:06:27Jay Shetty?

  I want one of those too. They look great.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  But you have to wear it on the podcast so she gets a little, she gets a little bit of kind of love from you.

• 1:06:32Jay Shetty?

  Those are awesome.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:34Jay Shetty?

  And I love New Balance too, so that's great.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  They're multiple colors.

• 1:06:37Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  And we actually have these in shoes too now.

• 1:06:41Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  I'm gonna send them all to you.

• 1:06:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I want it, I want it all. They look great. They look great. It looks, it looks great on you too.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  Thank you for doing this.

• 1:06:47Jay Shetty?

  I will. But we end every show with a final five. These have to be answered in one word or one sentence maximum, so it's super tight. It's the fast five.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  I better, I better sit up for this.

• 1:06:55Jay Shetty?

  Yes. Ari, these are your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Know when you're on the field.

• 1:07:02Jay Shetty?

  The second question is, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  I don't know if it was advice, but why would you do that?

• 1:07:08Jay Shetty?

  Hmm, interesting, interesting. Third question, what's something that you're trying to unlearn?

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Being angry.

• 1:07:16Jay Shetty?

  That sounds hard.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  It's hard.

• 1:07:17Jay Shetty?

  How hard is it? Let's, let's talk about that for a second, because that's quite a powerful answer.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what it is. It's, you know, I know when it pops up, like, all of a sudden, when somebody used to call me stupid in school, it was game on. And that thesis where somebody treats me as if I'm not smart, or they're trying to pull something on me, I just, I just go to a very dark, sick place.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  And I've worked very hard now not to go there to handle it differently. Not that I'm not going to be like, huh, what? You think I'm stupid? Like by doing that, you're you're acting as if I don't know what's going on here. And so, um, and they're pulling one over me and they and for whatever reason, the minute I feel like somebody's trying to.

• 1:08:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, take advantage of you.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I get that. And so that is a lot of work. That is a constant work. And when I feel it coming on, okay, that's your shadow. Whatever the phrase is, that's your, you know, that's the work I have to do. And I don't always do it.

• 1:08:24Jay Shetty?

  Especially those childhood ones.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  And so, no, but when somebody in business does that to me recently, I kind of like, I I went to the bad place. I couldn't control it and that that I'm that's what I'm trying to work on.

• 1:08:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, what's been helping you work on that?

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  It's just kind of like recognizing it. Once I recognize it.

• 1:08:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  I can breathe through it and I can get to the other side of it. But in the moment, sometimes.

• 1:08:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, thanks for sharing that. I feel like I feel like, uh, for me as well, I feel like your partners and your family often see the worst of you. And I always look at that almost like, how, what does my wife see?

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  And the problem is you do things that are so not smart.

• 1:09:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  And it's, you know, it's, it's just not good.

• 1:09:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Then you regret it afterwards.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  I'm not sure I regret it, but it's just like, really? You had to do that? You're 62, you had to do that? You had to say that? You had to like make calls and try and kill it? No, I'm not doing that.

• 1:09:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. All right, two more questions. The fourth question is, uh, what's something that you used to value that you don't longer, no longer value?

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Well, I I I thought it was about the stack. Now, maybe somebody's gonna say, he's got the stack now. Yeah. But I never had, I didn't have a stack at the beginning and I didn't, I mean, I don't, I I that was never the end game.

• 1:09:37Jay Shetty?

  What is the end game now?

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  I am really happily married. I love my kids. They're in great shape.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  I'm comfortable in.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Who I am, I'm happy that I have to constantly work at it now and I'm actually in a good place to work at. I understand the work I have to do, which makes it even better.

• 1:09:57Jay Shetty?

  All right, fifth and final question. We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  These are longer than one sentence.

• 1:10:01Jay Shetty?

  I know, because you keep giving good answers. You keep giving good answers. I can't help it. You gave a really interesting answer. I was like, if I don't dive into this, my audience is gonna get mad at me. They're gonna be like, Jay, why didn't you, you know, I listened to my, this is what they're saying in the comments.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  I love your listening to your voice.

• 1:10:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, they're telling me, they'll be like, Jay, he just told you like something amazing. Why didn't Fifth and final question. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? Could be anything about, any type of law?

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  Don't be hypocritical. If your whole thing is, stay out of my life, okay? Stay out of my life on guns, stay out of my life on COVID. Just stay consistent. And that's the hardest thing, because there's the shade of gray, right? I just want consistency without like, the issue of money. The affirmative action issue is, you know, oh, it's sports and legacy people or family, you know, kind of heritage that got into the school. Well, that's about money. Like, oh yeah, the sports make the money and the people that went there and their kids, they give a lot of money. Like, okay, we all get it. Like, just stay consistent with when we decide to pass a law. Like, that it is then across the board and the money doesn't get into and all those other things. That's the thing, I just look at these things, I'm

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  like, the hypocrisy of, and I'm hypocriffal.

• 1:11:20Jay Shetty?

  All of us.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  I am hypocriffal. I understand it. I wish that we could figure out a law of that consistency, whatever we decide, so that it's like, okay, if really what you're saying here, and we take it out across all these other issues, here's what it would mean. And so that everybody gets, I don't know what that law would be.

• 1:11:38Jay Shetty?

  No, the essence of the answer is great. I love the idea of being consistent and removing hypocrisy and the challenges we.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  And money.

• 1:11:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and we all have it. Like, we all like, we'll fight to death for this thing and then, but actually you don't.

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Please don't say all my. Apocryphal things that I have done on air, right?

• 1:11:57Jay Shetty?

  We all have.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  Well, thank you very much.

• 1:11:59Jay Shetty?

  All right, thank you so much.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  I love.

• 1:12:01Jay Shetty?

  Thank you, I'm glad, and I love.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Well, I'm gonna send you these, I better get a case.

• 1:12:04Jay Shetty?

  We're gonna send you a whole case. Thank you, Ari. If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with Dr. Gabor Maté on understanding your trauma and how to heal emotional wounds to start moving on from the past.

• 1:12:18Speaker 07

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• 1:12:26Speaker 08

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