01 Jesse & Luke | Key details in the Beau Lamarre-Condon double-murder trial

An Uber delivery disguise, a fake cancer claim and jealousy – the prosecution has revealed the claims in its case for the alleged murders of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies. In the first episode of The Case of Jesse and Luke, Stocky and ABC legal affairs reporter Jamie McKinnell unpack the opening day of Beau Lamarre-Condon's murder trial, including the Crown's allegations of jealousy, obsession and what unfolded inside Jesse's Sydney home. If you have any questions you’d like Jamie and Stocky to answer in future episodes, please email [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. The Case Of is the follow-up to the hit podcast Mushroom Case Daily, and all episodes of that show will remain available in the back catalogue of The Case Of.

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• 0:45Stephen Stockwell?

  An obsession with Jesse Baird and jealousy of other men is what the prosecution says drove Beau Lamar Condon to murder as details of the alleged killings have been revealed for the first time. I'm Stephen Stockwell, this is episode one of the case of Jesse and Luke. And just a heads up, there are some graphic details in this episode.

• 1:03Speaker 03

  He's accused of shooting Jesse Baird and Luke Davies with his service firearm.

• 1:08Speaker 04

  Police now allege Constable Beau Lamar Condon murdered the couple at a home in Paddington.

• 1:13Speaker 05

  This is just a terrible incident that's occurred here, the loss of these two young men.

• 1:20Speaker 06

  Now this is Mardi Gras time and yet it's a community in mourning.

• 1:23Speaker 07

  The pain is ongoing. We don't have a lot of answers that we would love to have just to help bring closure, to bring peace.

• 1:31Stephen Stockwell?

  This is a double murder trial. Beau Lamar Condon is accused of killing Jesse Baird and Luke Davies in early 2024. And yesterday, as the trial got underway, we got our clearest image ever of what the prosecution says unfolded on that day and of the relationships at the centre of these deaths. There, as all of these details were before the court, was Jamie McKinnell, sitting next to me, as he is sitting next to me now. Jamie, welcome to the pod.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Hi, Stocky.

• 1:55Stephen Stockwell?

  We learnt so much yesterday about kind of what unfolded in the lead up and around these deaths.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was an incredible amount of detail in the Crown's opening and it's still not finished. The Crown prosecutor's been speaking for, I think, around two hours and he's still not at the end of that address. But what really stuck out to me was the level of detail they seem to be intending to go into about the previous relationship between Beau Lamar Condon and Jesse Baird and his alleged behaviour when that ended. There's a huge amount of detail that they seem to be pointing towards that's going to come out during this trial.

• 2:27Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, really revealing what's supposed to have happened in the lead up to the alleged murder. Can you break down the day for us in 60 seconds or so?

• 2:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll give it a try. So the Crown's opening address provided a huge level of detail about the evidence to come and painted a picture of Beau Lamar Condon as a person who did not take the end of a relationship well, after it appeared that Jesse Baird didn't reciprocate his much stronger feelings. The Crown suggested that this then senior constable developed an obsessive and jealous infatuation with Jesse Baird. And they said that that manifested in a series of intrusive and compulsive behaviours, which the Crown will characterise as stalking. It's alleged that included things like monitoring his relationships with other men, improperly obtaining CCTV, engineering chance meetings, interfering with his social media and his

• 3:18Speaker 03

  phone, breaking into his house, sabotaging his vehicle and even stealing a house key. And the Crown said he also took steps to prepare for the alleged murder of Jesse, including using a hire car, disguising himself as an Uber Eats rider. And it's alleged that he then went to certain lengths to cover up after the fact, including allegedly shooting Luke Davies to eliminate him as a witness.

• 3:42Stephen Stockwell?

  Thank you, Jamie. There's so much to unpack. There's so much detail that we heard in the Crown opening that, you know, we hadn't heard before. And, you know, the relationships I find really interesting and I want to talk more about them in this episode. But first, can we go to that day in 2024? What does the Crown say unfolded?

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Well, the Crown said that on that day Beau Lamar Condon set his alarm really early for 4.30 in the morning. He then turned off his phone, activated what they say is a burner phone. He swapped cars, drove to a staging area, they called it, and jumped into a hire car that had been hired under his mother's name. And then he drove to Jesse's house on Brown Street in Paddington. The Crown said he then waited for three hours and that was while he was watching as two housemates eventually left. And then they alleged that he entered the house using a stolen key. They said he was dressed in a helmet and as an Uber Eats rider, which included high vis and a delivery bag.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  They said he was carrying his service firearm on him somewhere that day, even though he wasn't on duty. And they alleged that in the kitchen Beau Lamar Condon shot Jesse Baird twice. And the Crown said that second shot was an execution style shot. They said Luke Davies was in a bedroom and he attempted to call 000, but Beau Lamar Condon is then accused of also shooting dead Luke Davies.

• 5:07Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, it sounded like on the Crown case that Beau Lamar Condon didn't expect Luke Davies to be in the house?

• 5:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it certainly seems that way. It sounds like the Crown is alleging that he was not expecting two people to be in the house. The Crown said Luke Davies was trying to call for help and he was shot through a door. The Crown said that that was to make sure there were no witnesses to the alleged murder of Jesse Baird. And they said that having allegedly carried out two shootings, Beau Lamar Condon is then accused of immediately trying to clean up the scene. The Crown said he spent some time in this Paddington share house. The Crown said that the cleanup or the post defence conduct was complicated by the fact that he had two bodies rather than one. So it sounded like he certainly wasn't expecting to have two people in the house that day.

• 5:57Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, as you, as you mentioned, kind of a few days, you know, say the Crown alleging him cleaning up that house, kind of recruiting friends and the like as well. There were moments in that Crown opening where the Crown would sort of point to other witnesses they would call, you'll hear from so and so and so and so, who they say were allegedly involved in some of that as well. And it's during that, the actions from that cleanup, that the Crown allege kind of tipped off police to what's unfolded. How does that happen?

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it was partially to do with him allegedly dumping bloodied clothes in a skip bin in Cronulla. We heard that there was actually a groundskeeper that found those items and that's what seems to have caused the police investigation to gain speed. We heard that Beau Lamar Condon afterwards allegedly used Jesse's phone to give the impression that he was still alive. Then the Crown said that he went through this charade of re-collecting his gun from a police station, even though he had it. They were shown some CCTV, the jurors of him in a safe, a gun safe. And the Crown will allege that he was faking, sort of taking the gun out or putting it back in at certain times, even though he had it on him that day.

• 7:09Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, and Beau Lamar Condon, at the time of these alleged murders, was a serving New South Wales police officer. So the prosecution alleging that's the weapon that he has used in this alleged murder. We heard, Jamie, in the opening about kind of what happens following these deaths. There's that cleanup that the Crown alleges. There's also how police sort of start to get wind of this. We also heard that Beau Lamar Condon handed himself into police as well. So he took himself to a police station and handed himself in. But that was before the bodies of Jesse and Luke were found. There was a search for a number of days trying to find out what had happened to them. Is the information that Beau Lamar Condon, is the information that he gave police, what led police to the bodies?

• 7:51Speaker 03

  It seems like that certainly helped. We heard that he spoke to police briefly after he handed himself into the police station. The Crown said that he was cautioned in the usual way. And they said that he chose to participate in a number of conversations, but they said they were limited conversations. And those conversations included with the officer in charge. He apparently, according to the Crown, also said things in custody about his state of mind and his mental condition. We also heard that while he was in custody, he disclosed the approximate location of their bodies at Bungonia, that place that we've heard of is south of Sydney. And the Crown also said in the opening that Beau Lamar Condon allegedly set out to influence

• 8:34Speaker 03

  the evidence of a key witness later on in about June 2025. We heard of a handwritten statement where he has allegedly attempted to blame the decision to dispose of their bodies on another witness. And that's a witness that we'll hear from in this trial.

• 8:52Stephen Stockwell?

  And while we heard in court, Jamie, about, you know, how Jesse and Luke's bodies were found in a rural property or on a rural property, it doesn't sound like that was allegedly kind of Beau Lamar Condon's original plan.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, we heard that he initially allegedly attempted to sink them in a dam, but then they were found on a fence line of a monastery around, somewhere around the Bungonia area. So it seems like, we haven't got the full details in the Crown opening yet of the chronology of that, but it seems like there was one alleged plan with a dam and then it changed later on to an alleged second plan.

• 9:30Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, the detail that the Crown alleges in the opening was, yeah, kind of pretty revealing, I thought, in what we've known before and what we know now as well. So keen to talk a bit more about that in this episode. But before we get there, you know, we spoke in our last episode, Jamie, about the fact that Beau Lamar Condon had some kind of relationship with Jesse Baird, but we didn't really know the detail of that. What did we learn about that yesterday?

• 9:53Speaker 03

  We learned that it was, it seemed like a short relationship. It started in 2022 and it sort of continued through phases of 2023. But the Crown gave the idea that they were on different pages. They wanted different things. Jesse Baird, we heard, had just come out of a pretty long-term relationship and that he broke it off in April 2023. We heard that he sent a pretty sympathetic message to explain that decision and said things like he just was not ready for a relationship and he didn't want to hurt him. As I said, Jesse had just come out of a longer-term relationship. And the Crown says that that allegedly sort of caused jealousy. And then from there, Bola Markcondon began to allegedly

• 10:38Speaker 03

  access Jesse Baird's phone. He was doing things like allegedly deleting items or deleting people or blocking people that he thought Mr. Baird was having other relationships with. We also heard that he allegedly admitted to a friend that he started to follow Jesse Baird around Sydney's eastern suburbs. They sort of got together again later that year, but by mid-November 2023, Jesse Baird had broken it off again. And we saw a text message from Jesse describing his reasons at the time. And it seemed like it was a much more final ending to the relationship.

• 11:14Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, that breakup does seem a lot firmer. And the message that Jesse Baird sends Bola Markcondon gets some pretty strong language in, right?

• 11:24Speaker 03

  According to the Crown's opening, he had been, he'd reached that decision because of a number of factors, things like realising that Bola Markcondon was still accessing his phone. And there was also this issue of a post that Mr. Markcondon made about a bunch of flowers. We heard that he posted a picture of a bouquet of flowers on his Instagram story. And it had a caption on there, something like, when he's in Melbourne, but he still sends you these. At the time, Jesse was in Melbourne. And that Instagram story was posted on his close friends list. So the Crown said that allegedly gave him the ability to limit who could view the story. Jesse Baird could not view it. But Bola Markcondon, the Crown

• 12:04Speaker 03

  said, set the audience allegedly to include people that he perceived as romantic rivals. So Jesse Baird challenged him on this. And then the Crown said Bola Markcondon came up with an explanation that they were actually for his mum and it was all a misunderstanding. The Crown says that was a lie. And we heard that he then went to a florist, Bola Markcondon, and asked them to create an exact replica of the flowers that were in the photograph that he had posted. And then we saw a photo of his mum holding the replica bouquet. But again, Jesse Baird broke it off. And that was part of the reason, I think, why he sent this strong message, saying that your behaviour has been inappropriate.

• 12:46Stephen Stockwell?

  And when you're talking about the alleged, kind of, I suppose, stalking of Jesse Baird by Bola Markcondon, was he using his powers as a police officer to try and get detail or get information?

• 12:59Speaker 03

  We heard an allegation in the Crown address that he is accused of improperly obtaining CCTV of a pub in Paddington when Jesse Baird was on a date with another man at that pub. As I said, we heard that he had allegedly admitted to friends that he was following Jesse Baird around the eastern suburbs. He was also doing things, the prosecutor said, like engineering chance meetings and creating opportunities for him to bump into Jesse Baird. So it certainly seems like on the Crown's case, there was a series of behaviours that created concern in Jesse's mind. And then they are alleging that it escalated to a much more serious point.

• 13:38Stephen Stockwell?

  The message that Jesse Baird sends Bola Markcondon to kind of break things off is quite a final message from what we heard in court. And it's one that Bola Markcondon, on the Crown case, doesn't seem to take hugely well. He sends kind of long messages back to Jesse Baird in that time, kind of like escalating messages over the course of a couple of days. He gets no reply from Jesse Baird. And then we heard about a message that Bola Markcondon allegedly sent from a friend's Instagram account. Can you tell us about that?

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the Crown says this was a very long message. It was 1600 words long, according to the Crown's opening. And allegedly, he convinced a friend to let them use their account. And he posed as the friend as he was penning this very long message. And that message said that Bola Markcondon had some kind of cancer and that the drugs he was on for the treatment were very strong and could affect his reactions. So on the Crown's case, in that message, it sounded like that was being presented as an explanation for his behaviour. And that message, we didn't hear all of it because it's so long, but

• 14:53Speaker 03

  we heard there was part of it that suggested that on a worst-case scenario, this apparent cancer issue might result in the amputation of an arm. So it was giving the impression that this was a very serious health concern. But the prosecution said that was another lie and that this is, again, painting a picture of a jealous and obsessive response.

• 15:15Stephen Stockwell?

  Yep. Bola Markcondon is facing three charges in this trial. Two of them are murder charges for the deaths of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies. The third is related to an alleged break-in at Jesse Baird's house about six months before the alleged murders. And this was something we spoke briefly about in our introduction episode last week, Jamie. And what we heard yesterday on the Crown allegation is that Jesse Baird was actually in the house when that happened.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he wasn't just in the house, but he woke up to an intruder in his bedroom. And the Crown said he bravely chased that person out of the house. So this was in August 2023. He woke up and noticed that there was somebody in the house. He made a police report about this, but he wasn't able to identify who had broken in. On the Crown's case, that person was Bola Markcondon. And they said that, yeah, he bravely chased this person out of the house. And then afterwards, he realised that his phone and his wallet had been stolen. And as part of the Crown opening, the jury was shown a photo of a front door lock with a bobby pin sort of jammed or wedged in there. And the Crown

• 16:27Speaker 03

  said that they're going to argue that the accused has jammed that bobby pin in there to make it appear like this was a common domestic burglary. So the prosecution is going to argue that Bola Markcondon had actually used a key to enter that property. And the Crown's case is that it was at least the second time that he had entered the home.

• 16:48Stephen Stockwell?

  Okay. We talked a lot about Bola Markcondon and Jesse Baird's relationship, the two brief periods that the Crown is saying that they were together. What do we know about Jesse Baird and Luke Davies' relationship?

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Well, we heard yesterday that they met around New Year's Eve, from 2023 into 2024. And we heard that this was a romance that immediately became something pretty solid. We heard that Luke Davies travelled to Victoria to meet Jesse's mum. And I think it was around February that the Crown said that they made it insta-official when they were posting photos of each other on their Instagrams. That was the language that the Crown used in their opening. And we heard that Bola Markcondon became aware of this relationship. And while the relationship between Jesse and Luke was strengthening, that is the period where Bola Markcondon is accused of planning an alleged murder.

• 17:44Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, and the planning, the Crown alleges, you know, stretches over not just kind of the days before, but seems like the weeks before this alleged murder, right?

• 17:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, we heard that there will be evidence that he was doing things like asking questions of his police colleagues at the time about how they would track cars and phones, or how you can conceal phone records. He was asking questions, according to the Crown, about what happens if someone hears gunshots and there's a report of gunshots in the area. And then another police officer calls in and says it was just fireworks, don't worry about it. We heard that he is also alleged to have gone to the Royal National Park in Sydney to experiment with how to muffle the sound of gunshots. And we also heard about this surfboard bag. We heard that on the 17th of February, while he was with a friend,

• 18:35Speaker 03

  he asked a friend to stop off at a Westfield shopping centre, went into a sports shop and went straight for the surfboard bag section, started looking at bags. And then the Crown says, while he was with this friend, he asked the friend if that person would fit inside one particular bag. And when the friend replied, probably not, Bola Markcondon is quoted in the Crown's opening as saying, I'll grab this one instead, it should be big enough. And so that is obviously evidence to come. But it is, again, another piece of what the Crown says is his planning for what happened in Brown Street.

• 19:12Stephen Stockwell?

  It sounds like Jesse Baird was kind of a bit worried or potentially a bit scared of Bola Markcondon?

• 19:18Speaker 03

  It sounds like that's what the evidence the Crown is expecting to come out to show. We heard that in relation to Jesse's mother and sister and some other friends, there will be evidence that Jesse expressed to them that he was fearful of the accused and that he believed the accused had been following him. Bola Markcondon is alleged to have told other friends that he had slashed Jesse Baird's tyres. And at another point, we heard that Jesse's ute had water poured into the fuel tank. It was a diesel vehicle. And so that interfered with the vehicle. We heard that Bola Markcondon had allegedly told people that he intended to do that, to pour water into the car. So in the period towards the

• 20:01Speaker 03

  end of 2023, that's when the Crown says that the behaviour was changing and escalating.

• 20:09Stephen Stockwell?

  And on their case escalating to that point in kind of late February 2024, where these alleged murders took place. Jamie, we are working our way through the Crown opening at the moment. And something I noticed yesterday was that throughout we had a PowerPoint that the Crown was using as they were working through these various elements, kind of changing through slides. Is that something you've ever seen before?

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have, I have seen it before, but I think it's, it's less common these days. A Crown opening address traditionally is, you know, a prosecutor just speaking to a jury and giving a very long extended sort of oral speech. But I have seen other, other cases where things like photographs or exhibits are sort of used as an aid. And so yesterday through this PowerPoint, we were seeing things like the, the house at Brown Street, which is obviously a key location. We saw photos of, of Jesse and Luke, for example, when they were posting on their Instagrams, when they, you know, first became something solid together. We saw a photo of the gun. We saw even the photo of, of Bola Marcondon's mother with the bouquet of flowers that I talked about.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  And we also saw texts on the screen or parts of them. The Crown was using the PowerPoint to sort of let the jury read as they were quoting these texts, read along with the parts of the text themselves.

• 21:28Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, I did appreciate some of those moments, certainly with some of the text because they're speaking so quickly in these openings that it gives you an opportunity to kind of get down a few of those kind of key quotes, hopefully helpful for the jury as well. As the Crown is speaking, they can have a quick look and, and have that reference as well. Something else that stuck out to me yesterday, Jamie, you know, we have the Crown opening, which, you know, happened in the afternoon. In the morning before that, we had the jury being impaneled and Bola Marcondon had the charges read out to him. And so he was asked, had you pleaded for the break and enter in, in August? And he said, not guilty. And then when he was asked about the first murder charge, he, he said not guilty and something else. And I kind of missed where he went. What, what did he say?

• 22:10Speaker 03

  So he, he pleaded not guilty to murder in relation to Jesse Baird, but he attempted to plead guilty to manslaughter, which is the lesser or alternative charge. And he didn't do that with the Luke Davies related charge. When that came up, he pleaded not guilty to murder. And as you said, pleaded not guilty to the alleged break and enter. And then the judge clarified afterwards, I think this was at the point where the jury was still being selected, what's going to happen with that, that alternate plea? And the Crown prosecutor said it's not accepted. And so what happens is the trial proceeds to a murder trial. He's attempted to plead guilty to the lesser charge, but the Crown then has the choice to accept it or reject it.

• 22:50Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, okay. Thank you for explaining that and picking up where I slightly missed some of the, the happenings in the courtroom there, Jamie. I just want to clarify quickly, Jamie, Mr. Crown is not the prosecutor's name?

• 23:03Speaker 03

  No, his name is Brett Hatfield, I see, but it's tradition and custom in the State Supreme Court here that they're referred to as Mr. or Ms. Crown, because they're sort of playing a role on behalf of, of the state or the Director of Public Prosecution. So by custom, the judge or anyone in court will refer to him as Mr. Crown in the trial.

• 23:26Stephen Stockwell?

  Hmm, yeah, yeah, thank you. I have noticed in this courtroom, this is the first trial, first Supreme Court trial that I've followed in New South Wales. I noticed the weeks of the barristers and the judge who's presiding over this trial as well. The judge has quite nice sort of red robes and a white bib that she's wearing at the front of the courtroom. Also had a jury chosen yesterday as well. Fifteen people who were sitting in the, the jury box and will decide if Bola Marcondon is guilty of these allegations after hearing from all the evidence. There's fifteen, as I mentioned, by my count, seven women and eight men, or at least feminine mask presenting in that. We also had Bola Marcondon in that courtroom with us as well. Jamie, did you get much of a look at him yesterday?

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Where we're sitting, we, I could sort of see a side profile and I didn't notice a lot of obvious reactions from him. He's sort of sitting in the dock quietly and, and listening, and I think he's taking notes at some points. But the, the courtroom setup, we're actually quite close to, to the dock and to him. He's, the dock is on, on the left side of the court as you're sort of facing the judge and, and the jury box is opposite. So they are facing him, but on the opposite side of the room. And then the lawyers and the, the bar table is in the middle of them. But where we are, we're, we're actually quite close. So you can sort of try to pop your head over the, the little barrier. It's a bit hard to see, but I, I didn't really notice a lot of reaction from him. He was just quietly listening and observing the Crown opening.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  But we should point out too, that we haven't got to his defence team's opening yet. He will obviously be waiting for his lawyers to get up and, and have their go at doing an opening address too.

• 25:03Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, yeah, we'll get more detail in the next couple of days on how his defence will look when we get to that opening as well. So a lot to unpack in our next episode on Thursday this week. Jamie, did you notice any friends and family of Jesse and Luke in the room?

• 25:17Speaker 03

  It is a really packed courtroom, so there's obviously a lot of media. I think there are relatives of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies, and I, I think his, their, their mothers and siblings are among those people. But the jury has been told that, well, some of the relatives will be witnesses. For example, Jesse's mum, I think is going to be a witness. So they haven't been told who's who yet, but safe to say it is a very busy courtroom and, and the entire public gallery is, is full as well as an upstairs balcony level.

• 25:47Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, we'll potentially be hearing from some of those family members throughout the trial, Jamie, as you, as you say. The questions have already started coming into the case of at abc.net.au. People really interested in this trial. We haven't, you know, we had one episode and Bianca from Meantime Brisbane has been in touch. They actually emailed last year asking us to follow this case, something they were really interested in. And, you know, at the centre, we have the death of a young gay couple. And so it's a, it's a story that the queer community is very interested, very relevant to the queer community. And Bianca's wondering whether any questions were asked about the jurors' sexual orientation?

• 26:22Speaker 03

  No, they weren't. The jury selection process was quite long. It, it took a while for them to choose the, the final 15. They did get a warning about some photographs that will be used as evidence that will be quite graphic. And so as the judge, Justice Natalie Adams, was going through to the jury pool, she did give them a warning that I think some of it will be graphic. She also mentioned the need for people to not do their own research and pointed out that this is a trial that may have received some media attention. And she specifically said, if you don't think you could resist the temptation to do your own research, then you should let me know and ask to be excused.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  So there was no mention of a person's sexual orientation as part of the jury selection process, but they did get a, a brief summary of the allegations and the people involved. So they, they would have been aware before they were chosen as jurors, that the key people involved and, and the relationship dynamics.

• 27:27Stephen Stockwell?

  Yep, thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Bianca, as well. I really appreciate your email. If you have an email or a question you'd like to ask, you can get in touch, [email protected] is where you can reach us. And be back in your feed on Thursday with another episode and more room for your questions. Jamie, where are we going next?

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Well, we haven't finished the Crown's opening address. It sounded like yesterday where we left off, they were going to return to the day of the alleged murders and we might be getting some more detail about what they say took place in, in Brown Street in Paddington, as well as how they alleged that Bola Marcondon concealed what happened and then some other what they call post offence conduct. So what happened after the, the day of the alleged murders. There's a lot of different topics that the Crown has, has given. I think they, they gave five different sort of headings that they were going to, to cover. And we've jumped around most of those, but not all of them. So I think we'll probably finish off those categories today.

• 28:25Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, and then likely defence opening as well, Jamie, and into the first witnesses. So a lot to unpack in our next episode on Thursday. You can find the case of on ABC Listen. There's, yeah, so much more info that we're going to hear around these allegations and what's unfolded in the deaths surrounding Jesse and Luke. And we'll have all of that on the case of Jesse and Luke. So make sure you're following us on ABC Listen or if you're using another podcast app, subscribing to us there so you can keep up to date. Really appreciate you taking us through this one, Jamie. Thank you.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  No worries, thanks.

• 28:55Stephen Stockwell?

  We'll be back in your feed on Thursday.

• 29:00Stephen Stockwell?

  The Case of Jesse and Luke is produced by ABC Audio Studios and ABC News. This episode was reported by Jamie McKinnell, presented by me, Stephen Stockwell. Our supervising producer is Greg Muller and Jess Wukinov, and our executive producer is Claire Rollinson. This episode was produced on the land of the Gadigal and we're under people.