The Big Three are in Big Trouble, Industry Collapse Here? Nick Bought a Multipla?!

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Nick. Nick's filling in for Kenan, who's still gallivanting around the world. Let's start with the news. There's a lot to cover today.

• 1:16Speaker 03

  There is. All right, first up, Japan and the US announced earlier today, today's Wednesday that we're filming this, that they have agreed on a tariff deal that applies 15% tariffs to things imported from Japan. Notably, it includes cars. So cars generally were not include, were previously all under a 25% tariff. Then there are different car baskets, different countries for other things. Now it's going to be 15% for cars imported from Japan. The Japanese automakers understandably are excited about this, or at least as excited as you can be when you go from basically zero tariffs to 15% tariffs. Other parts of this news include that Japan, as a part of this, will start allowing vehicles that meet US safety requirements to be sold in Japan. So previously, if you wanted to sell a car in Japan, you have to meet Japanese safety

• 2:01Speaker 03

  requirements, which are a little bit different, a little bit stricter in some areas. They will no longer allow that, which in theory, the Trump administration hopes will mean that more US, more American built cars are sold in Japan. Will that happen? Offering for sale and buying are two different things, but that is a big news item.

• 2:19Doug DeMuro?

  Japan owns an enormous amount of US debt, so Trump was smart to make a deal with Japan early because this tariff thing was pissing off some of our biggest debt holders. And so it's, I'm not surprised Japan's already got a deal, as does the UK, some of our close friends. We're still waiting on the Honduras trade deal.

• 2:36Speaker 03

  I will say, other news from today is that Europe is apparently close to a very similar deal. It's still unclear if it will include vehicles that are built in Europe or not at a 15% tariff amount. And I will also note, as with any, any part of this, this is what's been said by the White House and the Japanese government, but it's kind of coming from a mix of information. We haven't seen the actual deal. Things may change.

• 2:57Doug DeMuro?

  Europe, Europe as a whole?

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Europe as a whole, well, the EU, which negotiates on behalf of many European countries.

• 3:04Doug DeMuro?

  Not Switzerland, no. So any Swiss-made cars, Nick, Monteverdi, you won't be able to get a Monteverdi. You know about this car?

• 3:12Speaker 04

  No. Conexant and Volvo are the only Swiss cars I'm aware of.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  It's, oh, okay. All right, all right. Just move on, move on. A group that's not happy about this very much.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Wait, no, can you explain why I'm wrong there?

• 3:27Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe, pull up the Monteverdi Safari.

• 3:29Speaker 04

  Swedish, they're Swedish. Swedish and Switzerland are different places.

• 3:32Doug DeMuro?

  He actually wasn't kidding. He wasn't kidding.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  No, he was not kidding.

• 3:36Doug DeMuro?

  Two minutes in. Pull up the Monteverdi Safari. Nick, this will excite you more than anything you will hear about today. The Monteverdi Safari. Go to images. This was, I am not joking, the International Scout, and this Swiss company called Monteverdi made a luxury version of the International Scout and sold it like in the late 70s. I swear this is true.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  No, I mean, it's like a La Forza and an RRC made a baby. Like, that's pretty cool.

• 4:00Doug DeMuro?

  It's a little older than both, but yeah. Isn't that wild?

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, so wildly off-topic of the Japanese tariffs, but I am here for it.

• 4:08Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the Monteverdi Safari would have been tariffed at a different rate.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  The interesting thing about the tariffs is, because they negotiated 15%, the, the rumor is that the domestic, the US manufacturers like Ford manufacture a lot of cars in either Mexico or Canada, which are subject to a 25% tariff. So in theory, this could hurt potentially some of the US-made cars that aren't made in US, but like, Japan would have a advantage over a car built in Mexico from strictly a tariff perspective.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  The lobbying group that represents the big three has put out a couple of press releases today alone, saying, this is bad.

• 4:43Doug DeMuro?

  It's absolutely abhorrent. It's ridiculous. The concept that they would prioritize Japanese, and they already did it with British, over US companies that make cars in Canada and Mexico, but they're still American companies. The money flows to Detroit. And on that subject, Filippo, tell us about General Motors and Stellantis, right? Didn't Stellantis also make this announcement?

• 5:02Speaker 03

  So Stellantis issued a huge loss that we'll talk about in a second, or announced a huge loss in Q2 that we'll talk about in a second. In Q2 alone, admittedly tariffs went into effect in Q2. GM says that tariffs have cost them $1.1 billion, and they expect that over the course of 2025 tariffs will cost them $4 to $5 billion, which has hit massively their operating profit, as you'd expect. So yeah, they're not thrilled. I will say, at the risk of going too far into detail, cars that are built in Mexico and Canada, the tariff only applies to the portion of the vehicle's contents that are not made in the US. It's like part of the USMCA agreement. There's a bunch of math that honestly, nobody figured out, probably including the federal government.

• 5:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it does, they are clearly paying a huge amount of money. And it's tremendously, it's tremendously difficult and problematic for their business. The photo that you have there, I believe that's the Renaissance Center in Detroit, and across the river there is Canada. The photo was taken from Canada. Was the photo tariffed?

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Yes, if it was sold, if it was produced, yeah. If they printed it out and imported it, yeah. Digital media, not yet tariffed.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  NFTs.

• 6:12Doug DeMuro?

  So General Motors, they're not talking about a $1 billion loss, but they said they've paid a billion in tariffs this year.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  1.1, yeah, which is in Q2, when tariffs were not fully into effect yet. Correct.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I don't, Stellantis did say not just a tariff payment, but they posted an actual significant loss of $3 billion year-to-date. And we're in July, for those that are not aware. So half of a year through.

• 6:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's the first half. They posted a $3 billion loss. Well, they're gonna blame tariffs, but wouldn't you also want to blame the fact that they make bad cars? Does that, is that factor in at all?

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, GM still made money, for the record, that they were still profitable in the first half and then in the second quarter. Stellantis has some other issues.

• 6:59Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, two things. First off, GM spent a billion on tariffs and they were still profitable. That tells you just how much money these companies make and how profitable, how much money is in these companies. But you know what the great, the great drawback of it all is? Everybody's like, oh, these rich executives take home all this money while the workers slave away. But they have to live in Detroit. So like, it's really, they really get you. It's really like, oh yeah, you made all this, but you gotta, you gotta buy a house in Auburn Hills. Second thing, um, the

• 7:31Speaker 03

  Auburn Hills community will be angry.

• 7:33Doug DeMuro?

  I saw a Jeep Wagoneer S yesterday.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 7:38Doug DeMuro?

  They're around.

• 7:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yes, they are not around.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  I mean, to the extent that you expect any new EV Jeep product to be around.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  By the way, one fun fact, talking about EVs, we don't have this in here, but Tesla announced today that in California, sales were down 24% in Q2, year over year.

• 7:57Doug DeMuro?

  Which brings us, which, which brings us beautifully to the Mercedes-Benz story, which I want to go back to this in a second, but Mercedes-Benz announced today, this week, that they're no longer going to sell any of the EQ products in North America. This isn't global, but in North America.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  And they produce the SUVs in North America, so they're, they're going to export vehicles that they build in the US to other countries that might be interested in buying an EQE SUV and an EQS SUV. I'm sorry, let me say the full name. A Mercedes

• 8:25Doug DeMuro?

  EQ Technology.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  Mercedes EQ, EQS SUV.

• 8:28Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no. It's just, it's just, it's Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  They, they will, anyone who's ordered one that's supposed to come in before September is still getting it. So the six of you listening that maybe fit that scenario, be rest assured. However, they're just, they're, they're going to stop. It's like Jaguar. They're just going to take some time off and let it, let's see what happens.

• 8:48Doug DeMuro?

  No one, no person has ordered one, but there are still tens of thousands of orders flooding into dealerships that the dealerships do not want. Under any strict circumstances, I go to these Mercedes-Benz dealerships and they've got EQ products parked on any surface, any flat surface they can find. I mean, it's like a disaster. This whole thing is sort of an interesting, an interesting product discussion here. So General Motors is paying all this money in tariffs. It's a huge impact on their business. Stellantis reports a $3 billion loss and part of that is gotta be because they went, they pivoted pretty hard towards electric vehicles and some of the choices they made were not.

• 9:24Doug DeMuro?

  Supported in the market.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  The Dodge Charger, which is what you're referring to, and the Wagoneer S not selling certainly has impact to them. Also fundamentally, across their portfolio of brands, if we're talking about Stellantis, they have a lot of weak aging product. They also acquired some of these companies in the last couple of years and have not really invested anything in them. And if they want to sell cars, maybe they should build good ones.

• 9:48Doug DeMuro?

  The Stellantis company owns Opel?

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Yes, and Vauxhall.

• 9:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yikes. They like have every bad brand. It's like, like, look at that, look at that picture.

• 10:01Speaker 03

  There are some great brands in here. And like, brands that I think are putting out, despite what I just said, some pretty good products. Unfortunately, they're all not selling many of them, or selling poorly, or selling in really low margin areas, right? Like, subcompact cars in Europe don't have a large profit margin. What does have a large profit margin?

• 10:18Doug DeMuro?

  Can you name me the products that Lancia currently sells?

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, they have a new Ypsilon. They have a new one.

• 10:25Doug DeMuro?

  The new Ypsilon, okay.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  I think that's it, is it not?

• 10:28Doug DeMuro?

  That's it. That's the only car the Lancia brand is selling.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  But DS Automobiles makes really cool cars. Peugeot makes cool cars. The French brands are making interesting cars. And then...

• 10:40Doug DeMuro?

  This entire company rests on the back of the Jeep Wrangler. This entire...

• 10:46Speaker 03

  And the Ram 1500, that's it.

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  The Chrysler is also down to one vehicle, the Pacifica. I mean, there's a few logos here that are really just a car.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  Fiat sells the 500E, I think.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  They're counting the Abarth separately from Fiat?

• 10:59Speaker 03

  I don't even think they sell it. I don't think there's any models.

• 11:02Doug DeMuro?

  I think that most of these are one car. Fiat, Fiat, does Fiat, yeah, does Fiat?

• 11:06Speaker 03

  The 500E, I think.

• 11:07Doug DeMuro?

  The electric 500, but that's like, nonexistent, basically.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  They're kind of Dodge and Ram separately, which, fine, but like...

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Well, they split up a decade ago.

• 11:17Doug DeMuro?

  But by doing that, what Dodges even exist?

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Just the Charger?

• 11:24Doug DeMuro?

  The EV one?

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yikes.

• 11:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the EV one.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  Although it's coming out in gas, allegedly.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  There is a gas one coming, yeah.

• 11:30Doug DeMuro?

  The Durango's still around.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  Is it?

• 11:32Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. Oh, the Hornet is still on sale.

• 11:35Speaker 03

  Oh, I forgot about the Hornet. Also, the Alfa Romeo Tonale is the result. The Tonale.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is, this is very bad. I kind of feel like this is at the beginning of the big short where Michael Burry is like, I looked at all the, the mortgages in the portfolio and it's bad, but like, because not only do they have all these crap brands and products, but they're leasing Charger EVs for like $99 a month with zero down. That, if so, I understand like,

• 12:00Speaker 03

  I will lease one.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  The finance department will, will ultimately hold the bag, but this is not going to be good.

• 12:05Doug DeMuro?

  That, that price is not accurate.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  I would lease one at that price.

• 12:09Doug DeMuro?

  I would be getting rid of them.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  It's, it's not, but it's not, I'm, I'm exaggerating, but it's not far off from the truth. Like they will, the residuals that they are claiming on their leases are so out of whack with what they'll actually be worth, that I think they're going to be holding an even worse amount of debt in like three months or three years when those come up due.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:27Doug DeMuro?

  I, I have a suspicion that part of their $3 billion loss is actually some of those leases that you're talking about coming due from three years ago, on 22s, when the market was already starting to cool, right? And you're talking about four by E's that they had high residuals on because initially they were high residual cars. And you're talking about all these other products that now there's, the market has fallen off a lot.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  The leases are exactly like the mortgages where the exotic dancers in Vegas had seven mortgages. Like it's the exact same thing with Dodge Darts.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  They do have seven Dodge Hornets. Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:56Doug DeMuro?

  I want to be clear though, this is, this, I don't think this is an industry wide issue. There are some very successful brands right now. It's just Stellantis is in a tough spot. Stellantis is, is working on executives, they're going through CEO changes. It would be very difficult to be running this company right now. The amount of stuff you would have to do is absolutely enormous. There's brand consolidation, there's probably getting rid of some brands, there's, there's just completely reengineering and creating new products. I think it would be a really, really, really tough place to, to be running this, this company right now.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Stellantis does have a new, a new CEO as of two weeks ago, Antonio Filosso. And he has said very publicly in like, in, in presenting those news, that there's going to be some tough medicine. I think where his, his words are coming. Cause they, they need to cut costs massively, obviously, in order to have any change.

• 13:43Speaker 04

  Look at our previous news story with GM. They can afford the tariffs.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  What'd they do? They killed off Saturn. They killed off Pontiac.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  They really planned ahead. They went back in time 20 years.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  No, they looked.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  And made the product plan and.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  We've got some really crappy brands. We need to shed all this dead weight and then double down on our core.

• 14:00Doug DeMuro?

  That is actually what happened. I mean, I was there. I was selling Saturns at a Saturn dealership in 2008. This is a real story. I was a Saturn salesman. Not that I haven't told this story that many people, but it's real. And I swear, none of this is made up.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Luckily, it's a no-haggle situation. It's a good, it's a good environment.

• 14:18Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you something. In 08, we were haggling. You walked in, if you wanted an outlook, this is, if you wanted an outlook, we would do whatever you wanted. And people would come in and say, I'm looking at the Acadia, which was broadly the same car. And we'd say, please, please, please. Anyway.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Funny enough, a true story as well. I worked at a Daewoo dealership and we looked down upon those Saturn people. We said, those city slickers.

• 14:44Doug DeMuro?

  Did you actually?

• 14:45Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 14:46Doug DeMuro?

  I worked at a, you think I'm kidding? I worked at, I sold Saturns. I was a Saturn salesperson at Saturn of Decatur. You know, if I, if I was at home, I have my business card still. I swear to the.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  We'll have to find that picture.

• 15:03Doug DeMuro?

  Do you not know about this?

• 15:05Speaker 04

  It brings up, I actually thought you worked for Daewoo, to be honest, but I knew it was like a crap brand that's no longer around.

• 15:10Doug DeMuro?

  When I was in college, I sold Saturns. But anyway, the point is, I remember that was going on then. And we were terrified because, you know, GM was cutting these brands. And initially, the thought was that Saturn would get sold off to someone else that fell through. But then they cut, they cut Saturn, they cut Pontiac, and they cut Hummer. And they, they had to make those decisions and focus on like a more like realistic core that was focus on-able. And

• 15:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:33Doug DeMuro?

  That picture there is.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  I mean, you probably need to cut the Hummer again, for the record. Unsolicited advice to GM.

• 15:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, it's.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  I will say, it's still, Atlantis, as a result of the weird consolidation that has happened, or the weird consolidation of all these manufacturers and under the Solanis umbrella, is in a tough spot. Cause I think the French government would not support them shutting down any of these. And there's weird union. Tensions and governmental tensions as a result too. It's a tough spot.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  I think you don't shut them down. I think you sell them to the Chinese and the Vietnamese that are looking to establish brands and have some cred and just offshore the rest that you're clearly not good at.

• 16:09Doug DeMuro?

  And that's not out of the realm. And by the way, the French government holds stakes in these brands already, don't they?

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Yep, they sure do.

• 16:16Doug DeMuro?

  That's good.

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• 17:39Doug DeMuro?

  Ford today announced a recall.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  Their 90th recall, no less.

• 17:45Doug DeMuro?

  No, Ford has apparently announced 90 recalls. You know, people are making a big deal out of this, but I want to say something. I want to say something about this because I think about Ford a lot. When you're winning, sometimes you got to lose a little. You know, but you know what I'm talking about. You see Wimbledon, right? They center doesn't go up there and just win, win, win. He loses.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  He loses. Yeah.

• 18:06Doug DeMuro?

  So, so I guess my point is Ford has issued the most recalls of any automaker in the entire history of automakers and NHTSA, the governing body of the recalls. But they've also made the Bronco, the Bronco Raptor, the Bronco Sport, the Eco Sport. See what I'm saying? Do you see where I'm going with it?

• 18:26Speaker 03

  Right. Very successful vehicles all, especially that last one, uh, which is pronounced Eco Sport despite the fact that it should be Eco Sport by all branding decisions. Regardless, uh, it's a lot of recalls.

• 18:36Doug DeMuro?

  They called the name. Their name got recalled.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Right. I don't know what all these recalls are for. Sometimes there are frankly, low impact recalls that automakers do. And I also do wonder if Ford is a little bit more open to doing recalls than some other manufacturers where Tesla famously tries every single option to avoid actually issuing a recall. They do a lot over there updates to try to fix things, or try to circumvent problems. I wonder if Ford is just a little bit more willing to engage.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, they stand by their product. I'm a big Ford guy. I've used the recall on my Focus twice now, so.

• 19:10Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, how many transmissions have you gone through on your Focus?

• 19:13Speaker 04

  Two. Fifty thousand miles. I have a check engine light on it right now, too, but that's all right.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  That just sounds like a Nick situation.

• 19:20Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, hang on, Filippo. You're giving Ford the benefit of the doubt here.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  No, no, no. I'm trying to add nuance.

• 19:25Doug DeMuro?

  Before we got on this podcast that they've issued more recalls than the next five automakers combined. Is that what you said?

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. That's true. Yeah.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  A lot of people are saying that.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  Look, it's problematic. And so when Jim Farley came on as the CEO of Ford a few years ago, the Explorer had just, like, the new Explorer had just come out and there were a lot of recalls for that, a lot of recalls for the Mach-E. And he talked a lot of the time about how Ford really needs to invest in quality and will be investing in quality and additional testing to make sure that they stop that. Clearly, that initiative has failed massively. But when you're doing okay, maybe nobody cares.

• 20:02Speaker 04

  Could it be that they don't have Mercury and all the other brands? So all of their recalls are under one moniker? Like, everything's Ford instead of like, oh, we have Chrysler that has one product, Dodge that has one product.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  We won't talk about Lincoln or any of the other brands.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  Lincoln's great. Um, but maybe, maybe there's something, they're just not peanut buttering it around.

• 20:21Doug DeMuro?

  One interesting thing that Ford is doing, and I mean this sincerely when I say that you they're winning, like they have undoubtedly the most exciting product lineup, maybe of any big volume automaker on the market.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Really? That's the line we're going with? The most exciting product lineup with their lack of cars?

• 20:36Doug DeMuro?

  Raptors. Oh, come on. I mean, they come out, they, in the last few years, they came out with Mach-E, which was, which was like the only electric car that was a hit aside from the Teslas. They came out with Bronco, which was this widely hyped, really excited thing. They got a new Mustang out. They got Bronco Sport out, which has been, at least from my perspective, like a massive, massive hit. What other new Fords have been, have been out? Nick, you follow the brand.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  The Mustang has plummeted in sales.

• 20:59Doug DeMuro?

  The new Ranger and the Raptor version, the new Bronco Raptor, the new Raptor version, the F-150, which everybody's obsessed with. There's all these like cool new Ford products. The Maverick has been like the most excited, talked about car. Felipe's still freaking out over the Maverick.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  Especially now that there's an all-wheel-drive hybrid. Yeah.

• 21:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Not, and not to mention the new Mustang, which has not been a huge success, but is pretty cool. The Lightning, right? The Lightning was a massive hit when it came out.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  I, I think Ford does them well, legitimately.

• 21:24Doug DeMuro?

  They have these amazing products. I do feel terrible for their PR folks because every time I talk to them, it's like they, they're launching these incredible cars and every one of them just seems to have issue after issue after issue. But, um.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Quality's the problem.

• 21:35Doug DeMuro?

  I wonder if there is some prioritization of like, let's bring this to market and make it cool and, you know, kind of quality be damned. It seems like that's, that is the case.

• 21:45Speaker 03

  I think also like, if you're watching Tesla, that was their strategy for a long, long time. Still might be. Just get the product out and then you can fix the rest. It's harder if you're using infrastructure that doesn't allow the same level of over there updates. And also where you kind of need to maybe support your dealer network a little bit and get people into that, which might be an element here, too. But they gotta work on getting cars out that don't need recalls. If you're more than the five next largest recallers combined, you're in a tough spot.

• 22:12Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody I know with new Fords is having problems. Everybody I know.

• 22:18Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, do you not? You don't know anybody with new Fords because you're not a man of people like me.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  I don't know people with new cars.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Not from that kind of family.

• 22:26Doug DeMuro?

  But my neighbor down the street just put a transmission in his Expedition. I got another, my buddy Dave just put a transmission in his Raptor. These are like four-year-old cars.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  Your buddy Nick just put a, will need to put a new transmission in his Ford Focus.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  I just got my dad into an Expedition about three months ago, but yeah.

• 22:44Doug DeMuro?

  A new one? A brand new one?

• 22:45Speaker 04

  A used one.

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, with a V8?

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Of course. All right, move on to another equally important news story, which is that Toyota has announced that for the next generation Supra, which I believe is the sixth generation Supra, which should come out in like 2027 or something like that, it will not be with BMW. It will have its own, apparently 400 horsepower four-cylinder engine that Toyota is developing.

• 23:12Doug DeMuro?

  400 horsepower four-cylinder? That makes sense because they already got a 300 horsepower three-cylinder.

• 23:17Speaker 04

  H for that.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Oh, stole my joke.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  I don't, sure, they're splitting ways. The one product that they build with BMW will no longer be built alongside BMW. I will say the Supra was about two times as successful as the Z4 in terms of sales. Maybe that proves to Toyota that there is a market for sports cars. Also Toyota in general is leaning into that with their GR Yaris and the G-Rola and other like performance-oriented products. Maybe they decided that there's, clearly they decided that there's a business case for doing this.

• 23:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's a surprise to me because Toyota's point with teaming up with BMW, which was sort of a left-field combination, like that was a surprise when it happened. Toyota's point at the time was that they didn't see a business case for singularly developing a sports car, that they, it only made sense if they could share development costs in production. And in the case of the Supra, although I like the new Supra a lot, like it is a BMW. It is more BMW than Toyota. It has BMW powertrain, it has BMW switchgear, it's made in Graz, like, you know, in Austria. Like that's not how I think of my Supra. Nick and I are Mark IV guys.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 24:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. So I'm surprised that they feel like they want to do this. My guess is there this the the subtext here is BMW does not see a future for the Z4, um, which has, which has not really been a big hit since the first two generations, the original Z3 and then the original Z4.

• 24:40Doug DeMuro?

  So maybe we'll get a nice little Supra out of this whole thing.

• 24:42Speaker 03

  It sounds like we will. Whether you want a 400 horsepower four cylinder Toyota engine, maybe a different question.

• 24:48Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? That's all I want.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  I, I think that part of the success of the Mark 5 Supra has been that it's an engine that is very tunable and has a great aftermarket support. If it's a newly developed engine, there might be some questions about that.

• 25:02Doug DeMuro?

  You know, that's a really good point. When the Supra first came out, that engine was not in its infancy, but close to it. And I remember there was a lot of criticism that all the old Supra, one of the things that made it so cool, it's still a straight six, which is cool, but it was tunable. And that engine in the end has now been put in every car ever made, including the trucks built in France.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, the B58, the Grenadier, the Enes Grenadier. That's right.

• 25:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And, uh, and it has kind of become a bit of a darling of the enthusiast tuner community in the years since that car has come out. And it actually earned its stripes as a Supra. I think the new Supra is so cool. Mark 5.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  I also loved the Z4 and I love the Z4's available with a stick now. I kind of want one as a result, but.

• 25:46Doug DeMuro?

  But you will never get one. Uh, so anyway, this is kind of cool. I'm curious to see also what happens with the next gen GR86. If Toyota's recommending to sports cars and Nick and I are here for it, we will, we will, we will buy one used.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  It's worth noting for those wondering.

• 25:58Doug DeMuro?

  In 10 years.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's worth noting for those wondering whether they'll keep working with Subaru. Toyota owns a large portion of Fuji Heavy Industries, which is Subaru. So I suspect there's closer ties there.

• 26:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, they, they just came out with those two new cars.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. The Subaru Uncharted, uh, which is also a Toyota CHR. By the way, Uncharted has CHR in it, probably a callback to Toyota CHR.

• 26:22Doug DeMuro?

  Wait a sec. Wait a sec. Let's go back. The cars I was referring to are the Toyota. BZ4X.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  Just BZ.

• 26:33Doug DeMuro?

  Subaru Solterra, which now there's a longer version of which I actually kind of like and sort of want.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's also a longer version of the Toyota now.

• 26:41Doug DeMuro?

  That appears to be a Toyota Crown Cross.

• 26:44Speaker 03

  No, no, no, it is much smaller than that. It's a Toyota CHR, which hasn't, I don't think been revealed in the US as a new model. Subaru beat them to it, which also happened with the Trail Seeker, which is the.

• 26:55Doug DeMuro?

  CHR is gone. Toyota canceled the CHR years ago.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  So the new, the CHR had a new generation in Europe. It wasn't sold in the US. And now maybe they'll bring it back to the US as an EV. This is also an EV, the Subaru Uncharted. It was revealed last week. And that's all that our people want to know about it.

• 27:13Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no. I want to know a little bit more. I want to know a little bit more. So the Subaru Uncharted.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  This is based on the CHR? If that's true?

• 27:21Speaker 03

  That is a fact. Also, it's in the name. Un-CHRded.

• 27:26Doug DeMuro?

  And it has 340 horsepower and 300 miles of range?

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it seems like a solid offer because it's a small SUV, so that's real power.

• 27:34Doug DeMuro?

  It's not attractive. What's the Solterra Long? What's the Solterra Long called?

• 27:39Speaker 03

  The Solterra Long is called the, the Trail Seeker.

• 27:44Doug DeMuro?

  The Trail Seeker. Is that true?

• 27:46Speaker 03

  I really hope so.

• 27:47Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta tell you, I really like how the Subaru Trail Seeker looks. Like, I legitimately kind of, every so often I think to myself, what would I buy if I never was into cars? And for years I thought to myself, I hoped that I found my way to a Honda Accord Hybrid. I hope that like that would be what I would have gotten. I hope that I would have done enough research and ended up with a Honda Accord Hybrid.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  That's a good choice.

• 28:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's the best. And for the best car for non-car people. And I thought that right up until I saw a Subaru Trail Seeker. And now I hope I find my way to a Subaru Trail Seeker if I was never into cars at all.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  By the way, Toyota version of this does exist and you can, I don't remember what it's called.

• 28:26Doug DeMuro?

  From now on, when I Turo cars, I'm going to first look for a Subaru Trail Seeker and then everything else.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  If you're Turoing in Portland, Oregon, there's a chance. And then you can drive 280 miles.

• 28:38Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's true. I don't like to throw EVs because you never know. Uh, okay. Do we have any other news?

• 28:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have to talk. We have to talk about this. All right. Faraday Future, you remember it?

• 28:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  As the makers of the FF91.

• 28:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Obviously, largest EV. The company still exists, apparently, and they went all in on AI. If you're ever like really bored, go to the Faraday Future website.

• 28:59Doug DeMuro?

  All right.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  It is an experience, just truly an experience. Uh, they had a press event last week where they announced their new minivan, uh, which has a face.

• 29:10Doug DeMuro?

  It has a literal face, Nick.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  It has literal face. This is a screen that might be AI powered.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Kids run out in front of your moving car and watch it? Like, that seems dangerous.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  You know, that's an interesting point.

• 29:20Doug DeMuro?

  Online have people like in front of the face interacting with it. Yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Yes, that's that's just what you want is to train your kids from an early age to just run in front of a car to see if it has SpongeBob on it.

• 29:31Doug DeMuro?

  AI will not hit your kids. It'll see your kids and it'll say, oh, hi, and it won't hit them. The face will come out there.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Uh, it is at heart and in every other way, except for the screen, a great wall motor, something. It's a Chinese made and Chinese sold, uh, minivan. Uh, will it ever actually be sold? Who knows? But it does have AI.

• 29:53Doug DeMuro?

  The FF91 was never sold.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  It was technically was sold for the record. They sold like two.

• 29:59Doug DeMuro?

  I'm on the website right now and it's still saying that you can, uh, preorder an FF91 SUV. Um, I have a Faraday Future story for you. Nick, you know what I've learned about my stories? Filippo likes them a lot, but he hates that I tell them on the podcast because.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  No, I love them.

• 30:12Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, here's my Faraday Future story. I'm at the LA Auto Show, maybe four years ago. Everybody at the LA Auto, I go on the press days, right? It's only me and the press and then automaker people.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 30:21Doug DeMuro?

  Automaker people come up to me. They know they recognize me. They're like, oh, hey, it's Doug. Automaker people came up to me from Faraday Future. And I was like, oh, what are you guys working on? Thinking like, we're gonna have like a fun conversation. And they're like, oh, we can't tell you. And I'm like, you're out of, this was five years ago. I'm like, you're out of your mind that you, I didn't say this to them, but I was thinking like, are you joking? Like, everybody knows you're not coming to market. And five years later, they, whatever they were working on, never showed up. And it was like they were being so secretive about it.

• 30:49Doug DeMuro?

  Come on.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  They didn't want to want to tell you about their one on one bespoke private AI.

• 30:54Doug DeMuro?

  I saw that.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  And this is the FX super one is what the MPV is. By the way, Paul Walker's brother was part of the reveal for the FX.

• 31:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, go up to the top, go up to the very top of the website. Is that the top for you?

• 31:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:11Doug DeMuro?

  On the top for me, it talks about how they just got a hundred million dollars in funding. Who do you think is funding? Uh, okay, we got to do other, do we have other news stories? We can't.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  No, but I do want to talk about the FF 91 2.0 versus FF 91 2.0 Futurist versus FF 91 2.0 Futurist Alliance.

• 31:28Speaker 00

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• 32:00Speaker 05

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• 32:43Speaker 05

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• 32:57Speaker 03

  There is one more news story that we want to talk about really quickly, which is that NASCAR announced today that they will be in San Diego on Coronado Island at the, I believe at the Air Force Base there, sorry, at the Navy Air, whatever. Words, tough.

• 33:11Doug DeMuro?

  Non military. What a lib.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  At the Navy

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Raging.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Base on North Island, Coronado. They will be there for a race. There will no longer be a Chicago NASCAR race, but they will be in San Diego.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  And what hasn't been announced yet is that I will be driving the pace car. I'm, I will be acquiring an SRT 10 Ram and whether they allow me or not, I will be doing a parade lap.

• 33:33Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, you know what? When is this happening? Sean, I want to drive the pace car. Sean's always like, what do you, what opportunities do you want to have? I'm like, none. I want to drive the pace car for this, for this race.

• 33:43Speaker 03

  If you're a NASCAR San Diego weekend planners, reach out to our content.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, we will host you here at the Cars and Bids headquarters.

• 33:50Doug DeMuro?

  You can sleep at the office. We have a shower. The water pressure is terrible, but we have a shower. We don't have any towels. You have to bring your own towels. Okay, we both move on. Oh yeah, no, no. Do that, do that, do these last.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. I, I prepared a toast. Where's the camera? Akira, you've done some quality things over the years as a former.

• 34:09Doug DeMuro?

  TLX is gone, folks. This is a big deal. When I was a child.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  We are pouring one out for the homies.

• 34:15Doug DeMuro?

  When I was a child, a wee child, Acura came out with a midsize sedan called the Vigor. Okay, Akira, Akira came out with a midsize sedan called the Vigor. Nick might call it the Vigor. It had a five cylinder engine. Things were great.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  I don't remember that.

• 34:31Doug DeMuro?

  The TL, they came out with the TL in 96 and it had a five cylinder engine. Things were great. And then they came out with that amazing TL. I'm doing a little, I'm doing a little eulogy here. Then they came up with an amazing TL in 04. Well, okay, first, from, from 99 to 03, there was that TL that destroyed the transmissions. That, that every one of those you see, which is none, because the transmissions are all dead, but everyone you see is on its 38th transmission. Then in 04, they came out with that TL, which is the, probably the greatest Honda sedan of all time, right? The 04, 08. Then they gave it that beak note. I mean, this car has been called these thousands of times. It's gone now. A midsize Acura sedan no longer exists for the first time in my, Akira, I'm so sorry, for the first time in my lifetime.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  I appreciate the integrity of that eulogy and how much of a legend the TL is.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 35:18Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  That's great. Please don't pour water on our set.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  Just carpet.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  I specifically chose water instead of coffee for that.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  I appreciate that.

• 35:30Doug DeMuro?

  This podcast has gone off the rails. The TLX is gone, Acura is canceled. They only have one car left, which is the new Integra. And I gotta be honest with you, if you had told them the sales figures of the new Integra when they were launching the new Integra, I have a suspicion they would never would have launched it. And so the Acura lineup is down to one car.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  But the Integra now has a color match front grille, so that's something. And they do sell three SUVs. Can you name them, Nick?

• 35:54Speaker 04

  MDX, RDX.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  And?

• 35:57Speaker 04

  ZDX.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm so sorry. They sell four SUVs.

• 36:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they have the ADX also.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I forgot about the ZDX.

• 36:05Doug DeMuro?

  No, the Acura's SUV business is, Acura, I'm so sorry.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Loves them, yeah.

• 36:10Doug DeMuro?

  But the car business is gone. I mean, this story is repeated with every automaker, no surprise. It's just funny. I mean, the midsize Acura sedans is just such a mainstay. Like, that's always, literally my whole life, they've had one. And I have started to wonder what other sedans are just gonna die. Jag killed the XJ. When does the BMW 7 Series just die? When does the Audi A8 just die?

• 36:30Speaker 03

  The A8 has gotta be close, let's be honest.

• 36:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  The others have a market, a marketplace. But Ford doesn't make any cars anymore, except for the Mustang. Like, it's an inevitability.

• 36:41Speaker 04

  When Doug was working at Saturn and I was at Daewoo,

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  the Ford Taurus and the Toyota Camry were everything. So I do think that whole segment's dead, or on life support at this point.

• 36:52Doug DeMuro?

  We had a midsize sedan. Can you name it, Filippo?

• 36:55Speaker 03

  You, your family had a Lexus.

• 36:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no. When I worked at Saturn, what were we selling?

• 37:00Speaker 03

  Oh, of course, the L200 and L300.

• 37:03Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, this is after that.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot the era. I was thinking of the golden era of Saturn, not the later when.

• 37:12Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, the golden era of Saturn was like 92, like the first year. And then it got worse progressively.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  They were such good cars. The S Series was such a good vehicle.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  The Sky, the ION Redline, there was some.

• 37:23Doug DeMuro?

  Also, Lotus Esprit, never forget, the Lotus Esprit used the same steering wheel from the Saturn S.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  And it's a good steering wheel. It's actually an atrocious steering wheel.

• 37:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's bad. If we're being honest. I want to talk about the Leno's Law thing. California Senate Bill 712. Nick, we're good. We're all set here. The Transportation Committee passed it 14-0, and they actually expanded it. It's actually been improved. I did a deep dive into the bill this morning. They've kept all the provisions in about collector cars 35 years and up, but they added an interesting thing, which is that even if you do not have a collector car, beginning in next year, 81 and up, no longer has to do smog. And each subsequent year, they are removing cars one more year from smog. So 81 in 27, 82 in 28, et cetera. And so even if your car isn't collector, you, that, that, those cars are going away. Because right now, the standard is 76.

• 38:16Doug DeMuro?

  So it's actually been expanded. They've, the collector provision is still in there for 35 years, uh, cars that are 35 years old and are have collector insurance and collector plates. And now that it's passed the Transportation Committee, I have a suspicion it's going to go to our buddy Gavin Newsom, Nick's, Nick's right-hand man. And he's trying to be all conservative, and I bet he signs this thing.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Do you, I, I saw a semi-viral Instagram post that said that they quote-unquote gutted it because they were, we're going to do historic plates and you had to have collector car insurance, something else.

• 38:46Doug DeMuro?

  I want to make a really clear point about the collector insurance thing. And I really wish people would just shut up about this until the bill passes, but I'm going to just say the point. We're going to move on. People are like, if you have to get collector insurance, that means you'll have to have the car garage. It's only for rich people now. Folks, the insurers will figure this out. You will be issued an insurance policy for your beater. I promise. Just, let's not talk about it until the bill passes, and then there will be insurers who show up with collector insurance for you also. Just shut up for a few more months, and then we'll be fine. Everything will be fine. I promise. I promise. The insurers aren't going to let this market just go. Collector insurance is undefined in the statutes. So all you have to do is show up with some sort of paperwork

• 39:30Doug DeMuro?

  that says collector, and they'll accept it. They're, they don't know what they're talking about. It's going to be fine.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  Also, will, will there be historic plates? Like, will that be a type of like?

• 39:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, California has historic plates currently.

• 39:40Speaker 03

  Oh, that's true. You never see them though.

• 39:42Doug DeMuro?

  They have no benefit. In fact, they only have a drawback, which is that you can only use them if you're driving the car like to an exhibition. So there's no reason to have uh and no so no one does. But now they obviously will become popular.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:55Doug DeMuro?

  Uh Nick will have to get them.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  It's a good update. Go Jay Leno.

• 39:59Doug DeMuro?

  Good update. So 1991, well 92, because this doesn't go into effect until 27, 11 of 27. But so that will mean that like 92, 93 model year, Nick, you're going to be all set.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Sweet. All my 80s cars.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  You will buy 80s cars for it because of the result.

• 40:17Doug DeMuro?

  Soon. Um, okay. I want to move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to us by the Cars and Bids app, which is like Cars and Bids, but an app. Nick, do you use the Cars and Bids app?

• 40:27Speaker 03

  I do religiously. Good. It's a good app.

• 40:31Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. I want to talk about something interesting. Um, that hasn't been discussed yet.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  Is it about the elephant? Or no?

• 40:39Doug DeMuro?

  Wilmer? That hasn't been discussed, Elmer. Now, I want to bring up a topic that nobody here has covered, that we haven't talked about, that I've just thought of.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  I'm so scared. Alright. Like actively frightened.

• 40:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's just hit me in the face. A couple of minutes before we recorded this podcast, Nick sent a Mercedes G-Wagon result to our friend group via text message. And he made a big thing about the price that it sold for, which shocked me because Nick doesn't pay attention to anything, like including prices and mileage.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Yes, but he borrowed a G-Wagon last week and therefore now, let's think about it.

• 41:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's the thing. So Nick's been borrowing Sean's G-Wagon and he's now paying attention to the G-Wagon market. And I want to break the story right here, right now, that I think Nick is interested in a G-Wagon. Nick, will you tell us your thoughts?

• 41:26Speaker 04

  I well, specifically, so I liked Sean's G-Wagon. Other than it was like too normal and good. So I a G55 or 63, that's kind of stupid. A G65 would be amazing, but I think they're real money.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  We would respect you more.

• 41:40Speaker 04

  Yes. Well, then that's maybe worth an extra five grand or so, but I think it's a higher premium.

• 41:45Doug DeMuro?

  You concede though, that I have correctly deduced that you are interested and looking in G-Wagons?

• 41:50Speaker 04

  It's it's it's on my list as a potential option. Yes, I am not ruling them out. That's for sure.

• 41:56Doug DeMuro?

  And that's because you spent the time with Sean's car.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I didn't, I only drove it basically from here then to a dermatologist. But it was, it was nice. I felt very like, I actually went through like Rancho Santa Fe area, so I felt, I felt like I belonged for the first time in my life.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Did you miss your Bentley? Cause you also drive your Bentley through Rancho Santa Fe and that feels fitting.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the, the G-Wagon feels just like, like I'm, I'm one of the cool kids, but I'm not like, the Bentley stands out, right? And it like draws all this attention to you and you get imposter syndrome. The G-Wagon just feels like, okay, I'm like a, I'm an average Joe here. Like I'm, I'm one of the good soccer dads, but I'm not like.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  And the wealthiest zip codes in America, you are just an average Joe?

• 42:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that's what I want to be.

• 42:38Doug DeMuro?

  So Nick's thinking about a G. Nick, uh, what else are you thinking about?

• 42:42Speaker 04

  Well, I'm thinking about a G, but I just sent a deposit, or actually not a deposit, the whole fricking thing, a wire this morning for a Fiat multiple.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  You own a Fiat multiple, basically. Congratulations.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  I, I mean, I, it's in Stuttgart somewhere, a lovely listener, Parth, if you're listening, thank you. He, I, I was like, I saw this one, I like it, but the photos suggest that they're hiding something. I'm nervous about it. They're asking top dollar and he's like, dude, I live in Stuttgart. I have Monday off, I will go look at it. He FaceTimed me, took me around it.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Oh, that's incredible.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  He drove it along with another buddy. They both work, um, I believe at Mercedes corporate. And they're like, it drives great, here's the, the close up here, here's this. There was like some overspray that he's like, oh, that's actually just like armor all over here. This door definitely needs repainted, but gave me like the full PPI. I then like, wouldn't take any, I was like, can I send you beer money? And he's like, no.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Shout out to him.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, so super legit, the CarPod slash Cars and Bids community coming through. And I was like, all right, you know what? I've, I've been looking for six months, I'm never gonna find perfect. This is as good as it's gonna get. It is the ugly green with the blue interior. And I, I started to realize that that, that was a must have, no longer a nice to have, so.

• 43:52Speaker 03

  Hallelujah.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  It's gonna take, it's gonna take two months to get here. They ship it, I, I'm not flying it because that would cost more than the car itself to fly it over here. So we are gonna put it on a barge or a cruise ship or something like that. We'll figure out if I'm gonna get tariffed. On a cruise ship. Yeah. I don't know how any of this works. Shout out to Rami at Inbound Motorsports. He sells a lot on the site. He's on the leaderboard, actually, but he's helping facilitate all this for me. Thank God. And then I will do a YouTube series for the channel, sort of showing what it's like to import a car that's 25 years old. The hoops you have to jump through and the surprises along the way. And you will then sell it to me at the end. You can bid on it. It will be no reserve. Fine.

• 44:35Doug DeMuro?

  The way it works is that it goes on to, they call it row row. Nick, I'm surprised you're not interested especially in that.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  I think he mentioned something about it.

• 44:44Doug DeMuro?

  That means roll on, roll off. So it goes, it drives into a cargo ship, a car specifically fit for car.

• 44:53Speaker 04

  Or a cruise ship, if you're Nick.

• 44:54Doug DeMuro?

  A cruise ship, I guess, doing the famous cruise from Emden, Germany to whatever port, Galveston, Port of Houston.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  We're bringing it straight to San Diego and I do expect all of you to come to the port with me to receive it. 100%. We can all fit in the car. The first, yeah, the first drive has to have all six of us sitting cheek to cheek.

• 45:14Doug DeMuro?

  Do you have, do you have global entry, Nick?

• 45:17Speaker 04

  I can look into that.

• 45:18Doug DeMuro?

  If you have global entry, you can go into the port area. There's something called a TWIC card, but I think global entry also gets you in. If you don't, you probably won't be able to, or at least you won't be able to easily. You'll probably need a customs broker to do it for you, or maybe Rami can hook you up. I have global entry. I'll pick up your multiple, me and Filippo.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  Dude, that'd be sick. You think I'd pay for that?

• 45:37Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, the port situation's great. I'm thrilled for you. It's gonna take forever. It takes a long time for these cars.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  I was told two months, maybe you get lucky and it's a little shorter, but yeah, it's late July.

• 45:48Doug DeMuro?

  It's about a month on the water, but the car often has to wait, it's to the west coast, because your car will go through Panama, which is legit. But the car often has to wait a couple of weeks on one side for the boat and then there's port processing on our side.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  This is so exciting though. Yeah, I didn't even know about the car until this car pod and you guys kept talking about it and I'm like, they keep talking about it. Someone needs to actually do it. And then low and behold, I'm now. It is you who will do it, which is wonderful. Also, my wife listens to the podcast and she's like, oh, so we're getting a multiple? She said that last week to me. It's like, this is why I listen, is to learn more about what you're doing, because you don't talk to me enough. And so, yes, honey, we're getting a multiple. I actually haven't told her yet.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  You have until Friday morning.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  No, yeah, I'll just let it go live. Now I won't bring it up tonight. So.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  I'm legitimately incredibly excited.

• 46:37Doug DeMuro?

  You also got another car. I heard that you car was sold from an out of state business to you recently.

• 46:43Speaker 04

  Yes. Yes, that is true. Nick's Car Blog LLC has sold at Edmunds appraised value, a Lamborghini Murcielago. So I got a speeding ticket in the Mercy and I started to just think like, oh, maybe not having Montana plates would be a good idea. I also, after the manual swap, I have driven it a ton and I tried to smog it before and I failed due to readiness. Basically, I hadn't gone through enough drive cycles or what have you. I saw, I scanned the codes because I wanted to see if the manual swap had any errors. And not only did I have no errors, but it said, hey, your cats are now ready. You could pass smog. So I went into smog. The guy like could barely drive a manual. It was horrible. But he passed it. I didn't want the AAA.

• 47:28Speaker 04

  From where I parked it, they have to hold it at a certain RPM for a certain amount of time. And I don't know, the whole thing was sketch, but I passed smog.

• 47:35Doug DeMuro?

  My smog guy lets me do all that myself. He doesn't want any part of the liability of touching any of my cars.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  Next time I will insist on that, but oh, well, it's the same place that did my Bentley, my Land Rover. So I figure they have a, you know, less, less accurate eyesight than some other places. But I then went to the DMV and basically, yeah, you have to explain, I sold it from my Montana to me personally. And multiple people at the DMV were like, congratulations on your Lamborghini. Like you must be so excited. And I'm like, yeah, no, I'm just trying to be less sketchy, but like, you know, you play along with it. Like they're not in on it, apparently.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Well, I do feel bad for Nick's Car Blog LLC, which no longer has that.

• 48:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, it has no vehicles, but the multiple will probably go to Montana for, you know, reasons.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Not California legal.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, not tax evasion reasons.

• 48:20Doug DeMuro?

  No, you don't have to do Montana. I'll register it here in mass for you. Nobody cares about those cars though. I've often thought about that. If I got pulled over in like a multiple and the cop was like, you're out of state, driver's license, out of state plates. I'd be like, take the car. I don't, I actually do not car anymore. If you're going to give me grief, I simply want the car gone.

• 48:40Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not going to deal with the fallout from this. I just want you to take the car.

• 48:45Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we need to move on to the market report. Do you understand that? I have something very exciting to share. The Cars and Bids merch store is live with more designs than ever before. That's right, you can now wear your love of quirks and features with t-shirts, hoodies, keychains, and yes, even license plate frames. Because nothing says you know your quirks and features like proudly wearing our merch. We've got high-quality shirts that are perfect attire for car events. Doug Score shirts, Car Spotter shirts, even a shirt with God's chariot itself, Kenan's E39 M5. I already have a few of the items. They're super comfortable, very cool, and honestly, way more stylish than my usual

• 49:26Doug DeMuro?

  wardrobe. So, head to merch.carsandbids.com to check it out. That's merch.carsandbids.com. Grab your merch and show the world that you support this YouTube channel. We need to move on to the market report.

• 49:40Speaker 03

  Can I say one last thing? Because it's next week.

• 49:42Doug DeMuro?

  Only if it's related to market report. It's not.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 49:44Doug DeMuro?

  Moving on.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  No, we gotta mention it. We gotta mention it. You gotta mention it. Next, one last thing, before we move on to the market report. Next week, next weekend, I and Kenan and others from the Cars and Bids team will be at Road America for IMSA's Sports Car Weekend. We're hosting a-

• 50:00Doug DeMuro?

  Whoa, Road America, you're gonna be in Wisconsin?

• 50:02Speaker 03

  I am so excited for that. I lived in Wisconsin for six years. I miss Wisconsin. I'm just excited to be back in Wisconsin. Truly. I'm gonna drink some Spotted Cow, have some cheese curds. It'll be a great, great weekend.

• 50:14Doug DeMuro?

  America's dairy land.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  We are running a Cars and Coffee that's literally next to the track in the paddock area. We're gonna have some really cool cars that are brought there by some fans of Cars and Bids. We'll also have some cars that are actively for sale there, and you can meet us. We'll have some surprises, some giveaways. So if you're gonna be there, come say hi. If you have a cool car, let us know. There's also a community post-up. We can let us know about that, and we can hook you up with some discounted tickets and other fun stuff.

• 50:41Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you a little Wisconsin fact. Wisconsin has the most interesting license plate type of any US state. Nick, you're gonna like this. This is especially exciting for you. It's the collector plate. Pull this up, Flipo. Pull up the Wisconsin collector license plate. This is a true story, Nick, that will change your life. You're gonna get a Nick's Law going through the California State Senate trying to get this to work.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  I do like that color.

• 51:04Doug DeMuro?

  The Wisconsin collector license plate is issued to a vehicle collector, not to his cars. And he can move it around from car to car like a dealer plate. So if you're a car collector, you don't have to smog them all. You don't have to title them all. You get this collector plate and you can just move it between cars. Isn't that crazy?

• 51:22Speaker 04

  That's brilliant. That should be the next Leno's Law. We know of several collectors here in California that got wholesale dealer licenses just for that purpose. So.

• 51:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, Nick, they all run legitimate wholesale dealerships. What are you talking about? That's crazy.

• 51:37Speaker 04

  And I run a legitimate Montana LLC.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  As legitimate as something that you run can be, yeah. One last thing in Wisconsin, I'm sad that they went to seven-digit plates.

• 51:47Doug DeMuro?

  I want, man, we all run out. I was thinking about this the other day. The number of states that have six-digit license plates is down to like 12. We are all coming to an end here. It's all, we're all ruining the world. Actually, that's the number of states with three letters, three numbers, which to me is like a license plate. You know, maybe it's one, two, three. Now there's all these four-letter things. I can't. It's passed me by.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  Agreed.

• 52:12Doug DeMuro?

  Mark your report. Tell us about the GR Corolla.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, all right. I've been watching this as the owner of a hot hatchback, right? Wow. The GR Corolla has held.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  He's got, dude's got a GTI and he has a complex about it.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Hot hatch.

• 52:29Doug DeMuro?

  I pay attention to the market.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  All right, who does it? The GR Corolla has held its value better than any of the other entrants into space.

• 52:38Doug DeMuro?

  What are those numbers?

• 52:39Speaker 03

  GTI was 2023 with 12,000 miles when I bought it. It had like a 35K sticker. I bought it for 22 and that's what they go for. The new WRX, not a hatchback, but called the same market. This GR Corolla, which had like a 45K sticker, so a little bit higher, sold for 38. They have maintained, like they've had, they've depreciated 20-ish percent. But compared to all the other ones that depreciate seemingly 30, 40, 50% in the first two years, the GR Corolla has not. And I think, yeah, please.

• 53:11Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you one thing I've noticed? Specifically, the circuit additions have held their value better. So that was a circuit that

• 53:17Speaker 03

  And Marizo, yeah.

• 53:19Doug DeMuro?

  And the Marizos, obviously, but that was always going to be the case because they were limited. The circuit, when I went to the launch, I was astonished when they told me that they were going to make like 75% core and 25% circuit. The circuit was the one with all the, with like, it was the GR Corolla, but it actually had like nice stuff in it, like more equipment. And I assumed that the type of buyer wanting a GR Corolla would want the more equipment. And what ended up happening was they made more cores. And so the cores are still doing okay. But if you go back to that list, you can see we sold a core for 31. The circuits seem to be holding in the high 30s or around 40. I think there's more market demand for the circuits because they're rarer. They were rarer new and they're rarer still.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  That is certainly true. And also it's the most enthusiastic of them. It's the most high performance of them. But the core MSRP was also notably lower. So this is all, even at 30 grand, that has appreciated less than any of the other cars. I suspect that people actually like the GR Corolla in a way where they don't really love the new Mark eight Volkswagen's or the new WRX. And I suspect people think they'll be reliable. You buy a GTI, you maybe have some concern that it's a car you might not want to own 20 years down the line. Jer Corolla, maybe even though it's a 300 horsepower, three cylinder, you don't have that same concern.

• 54:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, GR Toyota always has stronger resale than basically all of its competitors in part for this reason. It's one of the reasons I bought my Sequoia, not necessarily because I honestly thought it was better, but, but in part because I felt that the resale would be stronger long term. And I think a lot of people think that about these cars. Also, to be honest, the GR Corolla is really cool. Like of all the hot hatchets, I think they're all cool. The Golf R, your car, the WRX, which again isn't a hatch, but same deal. Like, they're all cool, but the GR Corolla, there's just something, it has a something special, you know?

• 54:58Speaker 03

  It is certainly just the coolest of these cars without doubt. Like the fenders are wide, it's all wheel drive. It's just like, seems more special.

• 55:06Doug DeMuro?

  Do you ever wish you had one?

• 55:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 55:09Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, uh, okay, Nick, give us your market report topic for the day.

• 55:14Speaker 04

  Before I do that, on Live Now this week, he also claimed that he is an Italian convertible.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  I do.

• 55:20Speaker 04

  And so he's really stretching here.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Do I? I'm sorry. How would you define my Fiat 500 Barca Brevet? Is it a convertible? Yes.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  What car did you replace it with?

• 55:29Speaker 03

  A four five eight Spider, which is an Italian convertible.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Yes, about as much of a hot hatch as a GTI.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  It's an Italian convertible.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  Nonetheless, okay, now that I've called you out for that, um, I wanted to call the Z8 that ended today.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  Wild.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  The Z8 values are a little all over the place. This one actually had ran before and did not make reserve just shy of 200. It brought in 251. The bids were 1,000, $500 at a time, then $1,000 at a time for like forever, basically. They kept going and going and going. A couple of people wanted it, but it was presented extremely well. Kenon did a video that was like Top Gear level production. I mean, just geeked out on the car. Like, I'm not a Z8 guy. Like, to me, it's just a spicy Z4. And that video made me want one and be like, oh, this car's actually way cooler than I ever gave it credit for. So I think just kudos to the Cars and Bids team, to the sellers, to the buyer as well. Like, it's a unique color.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  I like that it has the Alpina wheels, but it's not an Alpina, which is really important. So.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  It's not an automatic result.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  Killer, killer.

• 56:33Doug DeMuro?

  Z8 market is odd. I'm off and on. I've considered a Z8, uh, because it fits my ethos of supercars from regular carmakers, which I like, I'm a big, big, big fan of. Um, I don't know if it's a supercar, but it's in that league. And, uh, it's such a cool thing. And the values really are all over the place. Euro 1s with miles sell like 100. And this is 250. Like, it's a, it's kind of, yeah, we've sold quite a few at this point.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  In the 130s, we've sold some.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  It's a shame that the Z8's not like the 8 Series or even an E39 where they're affordable to an enthusiast. Like, at 250K, that is, you've got some serious opportunity cost, but, um, it's, it is really cool.

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  Wild one, though. It's not that crazy money for considering how rare and how special it is. You can get Z eights in the low 100s, which is, which is, which is a little bit of a surprise considering how special the car and how rare and how bespoke and one off. I mean, that interior is one of the most exciting, bizarre, like special interiors. And you show up at a car show with a Z eight, you're like legit. You're like, in my mind, you're like almost on the level of 4GT, you know, Ferrari 458 legit, even though you spent less money.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  It's kind of, it gives me a little bit of Spiker C8 vibes and that it's like a very tasteful, refined grand tour.

• 57:46Doug DeMuro?

  Also, that steering wheel does give Spiker vibes.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, so remember who designed the Z eight, Filippo's idol. Henrik Fisker? Henrik Fisker designed the Z eight and he's Filippo's idol because he pulled all of his money out of his, his Fisker company and bought a giant property in Los Angeles. Props to him. Wanted to do. Props to him. Okay, we got to move on to questions, questions, questions. Now you yourself can ask questions. If you go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab, there will be a post in there that says, ask your questions and then we'll ask them. Now, this week, some of us, and I'm not going to name names, but it was Filippo, forgot to make the post asking about questions. Sorry. However, a random user did instead, so we still have questions. Thank you, random user. That's a sign that we've made it, thankfully.

• 58:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's right. That's a sign that we've made it. We know we're somebody now because Porsche 111 actually made the questions for us. And I got to say, even though it wasn't an official questions post, the questions were tremendously good and insightful. Like this week, some of my favorite questions we've had. And I'm going to start with, uh, Hamu, no, I want to start with JSJ33, who asked the following question. I enjoy watching your car ranking videos from best to worst. I want to continue doing it. I, I have stopped doing it because we've done a bunch of them, but I felt like it kind of, we kind of played it out, but he did a good one. He asked, will you rank the BMW seven series generations from best to worst?

• 59:11Speaker 03

  No, thanks.

• 59:13Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Nick, let's do this.

• 59:15Speaker 04

  You want to go first?

• 59:17Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, from best to worst. Well, let's talk about it a little bit first.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  Well, the first one's easy.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  We agree that the worst, well, worst is tough. There have been some bad ones.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  So there's a, we'll go from what, like?

• 59:33Doug DeMuro?

  E32.

• 59:33Speaker 03

  E32 and up, right? Okay.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  E38, the sporty shorty.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  The E38 is a clear number one, for sure.

• 59:41Doug DeMuro?

  You think that's the best?

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Uh huh, easily.

• 59:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  The E65, no, that's a six series. That's a seven series. That's right.

• 59:50Doug DeMuro?

  The ones, okay, here's the ones that everybody knows. I mean, the ones that everybody knows were the E32, the E38, the E65. That was the Bengal one.

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, that one's tough.

• 1:00:01Doug DeMuro?

  The new one, but there's a couple in between, which maybe you don't know.

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  I forgot about them.

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  We can just call those all current.

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  There's the F01, then there's the G11, and the new one's called the G70. But here, let me, let me tell you what the ranking is. Worst, and it's hard to say this, but the worst is the E32.

• 1:00:22Doug DeMuro?

  The worst is the E32.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  I don't know about worst.

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  And that's hard to say because the Bengal one is so terrible, and because the E32 introduced the V12 in this type of car, more or less.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  Also, the Bengal one isn't great, neither is the F01.

• 1:00:39Doug DeMuro?

  The F01, though, is like a nice car. The E32 is, I'll be honest with you, there's not a single E32 in the world that isn't clapped out.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  No, no, no, we, we, we sold that one that was imported from Europe with a manual, and that was nice.

• 1:00:53Doug DeMuro?

  We sold an E38.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Oh, you're right. Yep.

• 1:00:56Doug DeMuro?

  That was, I drove that car. It was nice.

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  I put, I put the Bengal one as second for me.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Second worst or second best?

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  Second best.

• 1:01:04Doug DeMuro?

  Do you second best?

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  I, I, I, I think Sandy Cohen driving in the orange, the OC TV show. It, it changed the world. It literally coined the term Bengal butt. It was just so luxurious.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:01:20Speaker 04

  It's, it's just to me.

• 1:01:21Doug DeMuro?

  Nick is 04 rich to like the max. Like if Nick could be, if, if there's any opportunity for Nick to be 04 rich, he will do it.

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  I, I love the E65 Bengal butt more than Filippo likes breathing heavily into the microphone. It's just my favorite thing in the world. So number two, but the E38 goes above that. So E38, E65.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  I will weirdly maybe agree.

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  The rest are below my line. So I, the, the rest just tie for last.

• 1:01:46Doug DeMuro?

  To me, okay, to me, the worst, I'm not going to count the E23, even though it was a seven series, just because it was such an old school situation. The, to me, the E32 is the worst, then the Bengal one is second worst. Um, a facelift Bengal, I would maybe not say is so bad, but undoubtedly the early facelift Bengal cars are, are terrible.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  But, but when you think seven series, you think E38 followed by the E65. You just do. When you think seven series, you think of that one.

• 1:02:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but that doesn't mean.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  Cause they, it solidified that car in BMW's lineup.

• 1:02:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Okay. Well, that's fine. When, when, when I think of certain things, I think of other bad things. That doesn't necessarily mean that that.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  I'm glad you could come up with something good on the spot there.

• 1:02:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I did in my head go up something good, but I don't think we should say it on the pot. Um, okay. So E32 is the worst. Sean likes us to go from worst to best. E32 is the worst. Uh, then the Bengal one.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  No, I, I, I, I don't have any love for the F01, the fifth generation.

• 1:02:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. No, the next worst is the F01 because there's some reliability issues. Okay. But here's where I'm going to go crazy. Next worst is the G11.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:51Doug DeMuro?

  The two best, the two best are the Nui and the E38.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  I'll agree with that. The, the, the new one, which I don't think looks beautiful, has a lot of presence. And that is something.

• 1:03:02Doug DeMuro?

  Finally brought cla- not, not class. The new one finally brought a statement back to the seventh.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Doug DeMuro?

  Mar has not made a statement since Bengal and the, and at that time, the statement was heinous and bad tech.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  I, I will give my rankings slightly different. E thirty-two is the worst. I'll agree with that. I think that F zero one's second worst, G eleven's third worst, then Bengal, but new, and then E thirty-eight. We're, we're, we're just off by a couple there. And Nick gives, God knows.

• 1:03:28Doug DeMuro?

  Single cars are also terribly unreliable. They are all off the road.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  No, no, I know. It's a bad vehicle, but I like.

• 1:03:35Doug DeMuro?

  At, once Sandy Cohen drove that car, from every minute after that, that car became terrible.

• 1:03:40Speaker 04

  He was a public defender, standing up for good, like helping Ryan get out of juvie. It was.

• 1:03:46Doug DeMuro?

  You've only watched, you've only watched the first season, haven't you?

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  You've only watched the first. You know, Sean was in the O C as an extra.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  Sean was in.

• 1:03:55Doug DeMuro?

  He's had the. I drive an E sixty-five. Next question from Hamud. Question for all. What's the most obscure car feature you've ever seen that made sense but never caught on? I put this in here because I've always felt the answer to this question is climate controls on the steering wheel. I've begged, every time I meet a designer at an auto show, they come up to me and they're like, oh Doug, I watch your videos. I love your videos. And I say, what do you do? Oh, I'm a designer. Can you please put climate controls on the steering wheel? And they say to me, oh, okay. So then they think to themselves, okay, so this guy's nuts. This guy's nuts. I, I, I've always wondered what Doug was like in person and he's nuts. You are looking at the oh four Prius, which I believe was the last car that ever had climate controls on the steering wheel. Uh, and it does have.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  It's the only one I can think of.

• 1:04:39Doug DeMuro?

  Well, American cars had it commonly in the, in the, throughout the eighties and nineties, like, like Lincolns and Cadillacs, they pretty much all had it in that era. And then they get away with it and it's gone. All I want is climate controls on the steering wheel. Nick, why can't I have this?

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  Um, I don't ever really, mine stays at 74. Like, I probably wouldn't use this, to be honest, but I'm sorry.

• 1:05:01Doug DeMuro?

  You don't ever turn up the fan speed?

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  Rarely.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  I don't believe in auto H-trac.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't have auto climate. I'm not rich like Nick, so like, I don't have auto.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:05:13Doug DeMuro?

  I don't have auto climate.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, not on the Countach, you're right. It didn't exist.

• 1:05:16Doug DeMuro?

  Or my Ford GT, I don't have it in any of my cars.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Well, luckily you have a couple of modern ones. What feature were you?

• 1:05:22Speaker 04

  I just came up with a new one, actually, which is in similar, Ford cars have the keypad where you can lock your keys in the car.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  I do love that.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  It doesn't work as well now with keyless entry. You've got to have like a little place to hide the key so that it doesn't unlock, but it's so handy when you're going on a run, going swimming, like, like trading cars with friends, which apparently is a thing we do.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  I do love that. Totally. I would love for more people to do that.

• 1:05:45Speaker 04

  And then the stretches that I had were an AMG slash SRT slash M slash RS version of every car, an off-road version of every car, including many vans, like the R63 needs to come back. Split tailgate in SUVs needs to be the door.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  It still exists.

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  Umbrellas built into the doors.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  It's common.

• 1:06:04Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's not common. There's only a couple of cars that have.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  The X5, the Range Rover 2, the best-selling luxury.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's okay, but it hasn't caught on in the sense that every car, that should be the default method, then you have to explain yourself when you do a different style.

• 1:06:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Speaker 04

  As opposed to the other way around.

• 1:06:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know what killed the split tailgate, Nick, was the power tailgate, because it's very difficult to make, it's very difficult to make them power, you know, like, it work properly. And it only.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  BMW and Range Rover have done it, but yeah.

• 1:06:30Doug DeMuro?

  They do, but it must, there must be some cost and some engineering, because only those cars do it.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  I also like the design cue on the Z8, as well as my R9, that you can hide the radio with a piece of interior trim.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:42Speaker 04

  And make the radio disappear. That should be, cars in the future, like the tech will become antiquated and the fact you could just hide it.

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, and given what the radio looks like in your car, it's insane.

• 1:06:54Doug DeMuro?

  The S2000 has that, and the SLR has that.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  The S3000 did the best though, because you can hide the fate, the head unit of the radio, but then there are separate radio controls elsewhere, but only like the ones you would frequently use, like the volume knob and things like that. It's kind of cool.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Two that come to mind for me, I legitimately liked sobs like night panel face and like especially in cars that have a lot of touchscreens, it's hard to figure out how to decrease the brightness of all of them now. And if you could just like at night, make it all much dimmer or off would be great. Thing that should not have taken off, but I miss Volvo for a little while on the key fob, there was like a heart rate sensor inside the car and it would tell you on the key fob if there'd be like a light that shot that blinked, if there was somebody in your vehicle. And Volvo's claim was that if there was some, you're going back to your car late at night, it's in a parking lot, you would know if there was somebody hiding in your car to abduct you. This is a real feature. I'm not making this up.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  How weird.

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  And it obviously didn't take off for so many reasons, but it was kind of cool.

• 1:07:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yep, I agree.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  It was a real feature.

• 1:07:59Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's probably better for the leaving a child in the, in the car seat by accident, but regardless.

• 1:08:06Speaker 04

  Maybe the child was wanting to watch the TV in your front bumper.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Their marketing was a hundred percent about safety so that you went back to a car and there wasn't somebody in it. That's it.

• 1:08:16Speaker 04

  Also, remember the Mercedes feature where it tells you every hour to get a cup of coffee?

• 1:08:21Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, you know what I learned? You know what I learned? My Toyota does that depending on how I'm driving. And so like, sometimes I'll go the whole day and it doesn't tell me, but sometimes like 20 minutes into my drive, it'll tell me and it's like.

• 1:08:31Speaker 03

  You should reconsider your driving style.

• 1:08:34Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Uh, next question from Marco Camargo. If cars and bids had to relocate out of San Diego or the SoCal area, where would it move? I'm assuming it was established there because of the weather, the car culture and different vehicle exposure. Uh, the reason that it was established that, uh, in San Diego is because of my wife.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:08:53Doug DeMuro?

  And the, uh, my wife got a job there and I moved with her and I was like, yeah, all right. And then we started the company just randomly. We were like, all right, let's do this. I met a guy there and then Filippo moved there and then Nick's already there. So we're all good. Where would we move though, Filippo? Do you agree we'd move to Princeton, New Jersey?

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  That's an interesting question.

• 1:09:11Doug DeMuro?

  I think we'd move to Princeton, New Jersey.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  I'd support that.

• 1:09:14Doug DeMuro?

  You know why? Because all the big drug companies are there and I, I think you dressed for the job you want.

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  Drugs? Drug companies? Uh, I will also say you're then halfway to Lake Como and that's nice.

• 1:09:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, interesting. Uh, I, that didn't factor in for me, but I suppose that being halfway to Europe is, is a component of our relocation to Princeton. We could, but, but the drawback is we'd have to fly out of Newark, which is the worst airport on planet earth.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  So the P, P, the PHL airport's there.

• 1:09:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. I want to do two more very quick questions. One is from German excellence. Not taking in the current or future administrations into account. So Nick, we can't talk about your man Trump. Stop.

• 1:09:55Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think there will be a time where Chinese auto brands have the same US market share as the current top sellers? Or will there always be unease about Chinese vehicles in consumers' minds? Here's the answer. Okay. In 1941, the Japanese attacked the United States with planes and bombs and all sorts of stuff. You may have heard about it. It was called Pearl.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, they.

• 1:10:23Doug DeMuro?

  Thirty years later, they were selling cars to Americans and 20 years after that, they were the dominant player in the United States, uh, uh, in the auto industry, the United States in most vehicle segments. So do I think the Chinese could, could, um, move past some of the opinions that people may have about the quality of their products? Yeah. Yeah. I think if you can get over the fact that they bombed us.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  The Japanese, that is, yeah.

• 1:10:51Doug DeMuro?

  The Japanese bombed us and then started selling Subaru SVXs, then I think.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  A little bit of a gap, yeah.

• 1:10:59Doug DeMuro?

  Then I think you could probably get over the fact that the Chinese are known for making stuff that goes on Amazon. Do you have a different take?

• 1:11:07Speaker 00

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• 1:11:39Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's the right take.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I had a, I had a less colorful example, but the same conclusion. Mine was gonna be if people were willing to buy Fisker Oceans after everything Henrik Fisker did, then we can forgive a lot.

• 1:11:49Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you, they were.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  Well, to an extent, yes.

• 1:11:53Doug DeMuro?

  Henrik Fisker is Filippo's idol. Filippo still looks at the Zillow listing for that house and when, and with awe. Uh, okay, final question from Mike Spy. For Mike Spy, what is everyone's favorite car from movies or TV shows that are not necessarily known for being the cars? From the movies or the TV shows. So not like the DeLorean, but like sort of a secondary car. The, the instant ones that came into my mind were all the cars in The Sopranos, which were so perfectly cast. The Mercedes station wagon that the wife drove and the, the Suburban that, that Tony drove. And they have the P38 was in that at one point and all. Um, those came to mind for me. What, what do you got?

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  I have a laundry list here. I gave this one a lot of thought. Um, obviously the E65 in The Orange County driven by Sandy Cohen comes to mind. The OC, as the kids call it these days. Um, Entourage had amazing cars throughout. Turtle got an H2. They all got Aston Martin DB9s at some point, for whatever reason. There was a QP5. He got a Rolls Royce Phantom. Like legit 04 rich cars. Uh, Bruce Almighty, uh, he got a Selena 7.

• 1:13:07Doug DeMuro?

  That was the hero car in the movie, though. That doesn't count.

• 1:13:10Speaker 04

  It was, but it wasn't about cars. Like it wasn't like Fast and the Furious or what have you. Um, I also think there's a, uh, Yellow Defender in She's All That 90s movie for you there.

• 1:13:21Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, we're, Nick, Nick, I got a good one for you. I got a good one for you. In American Beauty, the Realtor.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  With Kevin Spacey?

• 1:13:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:13:30Doug DeMuro?

  Kevin Spacey's wife was like a Realtor in the suburbs in 1998 and she drove an ML320.

• 1:13:36Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:13:36Doug DeMuro?

  It was just like perfect. It had just come out. It was like, it would have been like what you had, you know, it was like

• 1:13:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:42Doug DeMuro?

  The, the perfect product placement for that, for that.

• 1:13:45Speaker 04

  For perfect casting, I put, um, Landman as well as Yellowstone. The female anti-hero drives a brand new Bentley Continental GT in both of them. And I feel like that is good for sort of like a high maintenance, wealthy woman of that stature. Uh, then the last one is Layer Cake. I have to mention that legally. They had a yellow P38. They had a Bentley Arnage. They had one other really cool car that I'm drawing a blank on, but basically

• 1:14:10Doug DeMuro?

  You will buy.

• 1:14:10Speaker 04

  Two of my last three cars were in this movie in the like almost identical specs, so.

• 1:14:16Doug DeMuro?

  That's fair. Filippo, you got any?

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  I got nothing.

• 1:14:19Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's never watched a movie. He only listens to NPR.

• 1:14:22Speaker 04

  I do listen to NPR.

• 1:14:23Doug DeMuro?

  He sits there, he sits there and he's like, oh my God.

• 1:14:28Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know what happens on NPR, but that's what I think the people who listen to it say. Uh, okay.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  Hard to argue with facts.

• 1:14:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Filippo, thank you so much, uh, for, for being a part of this. Nick, thank you. You get a crystal elephant.

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  Wow. Ooh.

• 1:14:45Doug DeMuro?

  Look, there's a crystal one and a re- this is pure coincidence.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  It's a lot of elephant things.

• 1:14:51Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, do you have any final thoughts? This was definitely our best podcast.

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  Oh, without a doubt. Definitely our best pod. Um, but I never have any parting thoughts. I wish you'd stop asking. Come, say hi to Kenan and I. Say hi to. Sports car weekend. Yeah, go to IMSA. Go to IMSA and say hi to Filippo.

• 1:15:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Nick, also, you gonna, you gonna get a Diablo?

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  No, but, uh, I know someone who is getting a PPI done tomorrow, so Wow. I'm hoping that there will be a possibility of having a Countach, Diablo and Mercy, all three on the same drive sometime, whenever you get back.

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  Gated.

• 1:15:25Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, are you selling your Fiat?

• 1:15:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll be selling my Fiat in August, I'm told. I do want to make a video where I disclose every single flaw that I can find. And I will ask for my friends, producer, film, Karabnik here, to make sure that I'm thorough in my disclosures. Because I was told last time I drove it that there was some smoke and I hadn't seen that before. I need extra eyes.

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  And it's Italian sports car.

• 1:15:49Speaker 03

  In my Italian convertible, which is, it's all factually true. It's a manual.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Your hot hatch in your Italian sports car. You're killing it, dude.

• 1:15:57Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry. You're gonna say that GTI is not a hot hatch? It has the same amount of torque as a 997 911.

• 1:16:03Doug DeMuro?

  I do question a little bit. I do question a little bit calling the Fiat an Italian car. It was made in Mexico, but never is.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  I'm sorry. Is it not Italian Fiat? It's an Italian brand.

• 1:16:13Doug DeMuro?

  You're doing a little bit of stretching, I guess. Is Bugatti French? Do we think Bugatti's French?

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Do you call the BMW Z4 a German car? It's built in Austria. Do you call it a German car?

• 1:16:23Doug DeMuro?

  You're right. You know what? You're right. You got an Italian convertible.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  Are Ranger British or are they Polish?

• 1:16:29Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know even what that means. Are you talking about Slovakia where they built the Defender?

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  I was thinking, I figured there was a chance they built something Polish.

• 1:16:37Doug DeMuro?

  Slovakia and Poland. We gotta edit all this out. All right, everybody.

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  That's almost as bad as confusing Switzerland and Sweden.

• 1:16:43Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:16:44Doug DeMuro?

  You guys don't know Europe. You guys.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  I made a mistake on where the Ranger Sport is built. I couldn't remember.

• 1:16:50Doug DeMuro?

  You don't know countries. They're all different. We'll go over them next week. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching.

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Goodbye.