Charlie Kirk Memorial, Trump's $100K H-1B Visa Plan & Kimmel's Rumored Return | PBD Podcast | Ep. 653

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick break down Charlie Kirk’s memorial, Trump’s controversial $100K H-1B visa plan, and rumors of Jimmy Kimmel’s return to late night. ------ ✝️ FAITH OVER FEAR COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4nAU1Qe?r=qr Ⓜ️ JOIN THE PBD PODCAST CIRCLES COMMUNITY: ⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

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• 0:56Speaker 02

  Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm so beat, it's like it takes three good stories. I know this life meant for me.

• 1:04Speaker 03

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one? My son's right there.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:21Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, gang. For those of you that watched the memorial or were there, you probably experienced what we experienced. It was a magical event. I can't wait to share a couple of things with you. Everything from the moment we left to land it, to be in there, to all of a sudden, we're sitting at a place, Elon comes and sits right next to my oldest son, Tico. Tico's looking at him, they're having a conversation for two hours, just, you know, literally right next to each other.

• 1:49Speaker 05

  What was Tico's reaction, by the way?

• 1:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He just, you know, to him, that's his guy. He's a big Elon guy.

• 1:54Speaker 05

  I thought he said he went like, no, no, initially, no, initially I heard him, he was like this, "Cool, when the rockets land, buddy, the seat's taken, buddy." Well, he took my seat.

• 2:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And the speech, everybody from Don Jr.'s funny moments, hilarious, president getting up there, doing his thing, talking about, "I hate my opponents. I know that's not Charlie, I just hate my opponents. I hate them, I don't know, I can't help myself." These left, what do you call them? These radical left lunatics. Lunatics, he said, "They tell me to say just left, but I like to call them lunatics." And then a couple of guys that got up and gave the message. Erica at the end when she gave the message was something else. So we got a lot of stories to go through. A lot of stories to go through. Some things that happened yesterday that I got a question for these guys. Specifically for these guys after yesterday's event. So we'll see, we'll see what the answer is gonna be like. By the way, we got back here this morning, got one o'clock in the morning. We landed.

• 2:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam drove all the way down to a hotel down the street. He was still late today. And, uh, and Rob on his way back, he was in the middle of a Standoff. Oh, it's terrible. Did you mean a standstill or standoff?

• 3:01Speaker 06

  No, it was a police standoff. They had a car to the side of the road, helicopters and 20 to 30 cop cars.

• 3:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, what'd you do?

• 3:06Speaker 05

  It was, I was trying to get home and sleep to do this.

• 3:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's go through them. Trump to impose $100,000, by the way, Tom is joking. Trump to impose $100,000 fee on H1B visa applications. Tear gas used on protesters at Chicago area ICE facility. And emit, uh, uh, uh, immigration enforcement clashes. We're gonna talk about obviously all the things that happened yesterday at the memorial. Jimmy Kimmel in talks with Disney exec to negotiate a return of the late night show. The former Disney, Michael Eisner, CEO, had a few things to say. You have to hear what this guy had to say, which by the way, Tom says he made a lot of, uh, good points. Van Jones shared a private DM from Charlie Kirk. And Van Jones, who is not on the same page politically as Charlie Kirk, got emotional,

• 3:52Patrick Bet-David?

  sharing what happened with that Soros cuts $10 million check for California's redistricting campaign. But there's another data that also came out that he gave $80 million that I want to talk about to see what this guy's doing. What, what is, what is this guy's motive to try to divide America to these leftist groups, glorifying terrorism and violence? What is wrong with this guy? This is why President Trump said we may look into him for a RICO case. And, uh, we'll see, we'll see what's gonna happen there.

• 4:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump called that Pam Bondi in a very assertive way. Yesterday, Trump and Elon reunited, first time shaking hands. And Elon, Trump was asked about it on Air Force One. And so Trump declares Antifa, major terrorist group.

• 4:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump predicts government could have a shutdown, which is concerning for some people. His margin of approval jumps 10 points in four days, polls say. We got a bunch of H1W1 stuff to talk about. Chicago, one of the things he said yesterday, he says, you know, Charlie Kirk is from Chicago and Charlie would tell me, this is Trump speaking. Charlie would tell me, Mr. President, we got to find a way to clean the streets of Chicago. We got to find, he says, we're going to clean, we're going to clean the streets of Chicago. He actually said it was their last conversation. That's right. Please help clean up Chicago. Said, I will, Charlie. That's right. Trump eyeing to return to Afghanistan. Saying US is trying to get back Bagram Air Base. Interesting. The TikTok deal, we'll talk about that. Trump suggesting pulling licenses of certain networks.

• 5:23Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a new video of Tyler Robinson that was found. Erica Kirk is officially the CEO and Chair of Turning Point USA. Bill Maher slams Hollywood. Pete Buttigieg responds to Kamala Harris, saying the reason why he wouldn't, she didn't pick him is because he's gay, which is, you know, deeply concerning for that community. Victoria's Secret dishes, ditches, woke rebrand and vows to return to unapologetically sexy roots. What a common sense idea to return to. Oh, my God. In other words, back when they had big sales. Yeah. What is a woman? Exactly. And then could 2028, this is Politico, could 2028 be the YouTube election? Uh oh.

• 6:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What are they talking about? Are they saying? Podcasts and Youtubes and creating your own, you know, platform could be the reason some people could get elected in 2028. Who knows? Josh Shapiro says Kamala Harris will have to answer for never raising concerns over Biden's death. And then we got a bunch of other things that's going on here. However, guys, I'm going to tell you this. Something special happened last week. Before we went to the memorial, Vinnie had a new collection. And we just got a report from Leo, how successful that collection was. I'm going to have Vinnie say a few thoughts and few words about the faith over fear. Vinnie, share with them why you're excited about this shirt.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  I mean, I think

• 6:52Patrick Bet-David?

  We rarely do back to back.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  No, I don't think we ever have done back to back.

• 6:56Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's such a big hit, especially with the timing of it.

• 6:58Speaker 05

  But so, so as you guys can tell, you know, cross on the front, faith on the fear on the back. I wore this on Sunday and I went to a diner and I'm sitting there. Guys, a guy pats me on the back, sits down next to me, starts telling a story about his faith and his family, starts crying. A waitress comes and she's just sitting there. Her name is Mary, sitting there staring at me. I'm at Lester's Diner. I had five people around me talking about faith and what, you know, what this move, something, something is happening, Pat. I got emotional walking in here today with you and crying. And guys, just having faith, okay? Matt Sapala, you mind if I say?

• 7:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Crazy.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  Guys, Matt Sapala is a, is a huge, big time loyal, amazing, amazing guy and friend with his wife, Sheena. Dude, he just got on a plane, literally flew to Arizona. No joke. I think, Pat, you're gonna send it to Rob. Guys, he flies to Arizona, no nothing, no ticket.

• 7:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He has no way to get in.

• 7:52Speaker 05

  He has no way to get in. He texts back, goes, I'm here. Guys, Rob, how many people were walking around outside?

• 7:58Speaker 06

  Well, they said that there were around 100,000 in the area. There were 60,000 inside the stadium. So 40,000 walking around, trying to find a way to get in.

• 8:06Patrick Bet-David?

  We're driving in circles. We don't know where we're going.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  And out of nowhere, out of nowhere, we see Matt Sapala.

• 8:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, Pat goes, hey, there's Matt right there.

• 8:14Speaker 05

  There he is. And by, long story short, we get him in the vehicle and he goes, and Pat goes, Pat goes, what are you, what are you doing here? No wife, no

• 8:21Adam Sosnick?

  He said faith over fear.

• 8:23Speaker 05

  No, he goes, I just had faith that I, God, something told me, just get on an airplane and go. And he goes, here I am. And he got in our van and we got him in and the word faith jumped out. I go, I go, see how, see how God works.

• 8:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Security, the whole nine.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  So I tell, so guys, so the thing behind is just having faith over fear. We don't like, we don't know, none of us saw Jesus Christ, but I have faith because I've heard the stories and I believe, I believe in my heart of hearts and never, guys, all this stuff, everything that happened with Charlie, zero fear, zero fear. And we found out that Charlie, God rest his soul, died instantly. And I have faith that in that instant second, he was with Jesus and he was with God in heaven. So that's it, guys. So faith over fear, let people know that I'm not scared. We're not scared about nothing, zero, because we have faith, period.

• 9:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to vtmerch.com, place your order. Faith over fear, Rob, can we make sure we sit, we put the, if you can go to the website so I can show exactly where it's at and they can find it. You literally go to vtmerch.com and it's the first thing we have there. Go on the collection, there's multiple colors, the white.

• 9:27Adam Sosnick?

  Apparently the red is doing really good.

• 9:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, go whichever color you want. You pick and choose gray, get your shirt represent.

• 9:33Speaker 05

  And does that, you want to show that video of him?

• 9:35Patrick Bet-David?

  What?

• 9:36Speaker 05

  The bat?

• 9:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is Matt Sappala.

• 9:37Speaker 05

  This is 40,000 people walking around and look.

• 9:42Speaker 05

  There he is. I can't hear him. Look at him, look at Matt.

• 9:47Patrick Bet-David?

  He's trying to find a way to get in.

• 9:48Speaker 05

  And now who's FaceTiming him?

• 9:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He's FaceTiming him.

• 9:52Adam Sosnick?

  I'm like, get in the car, buddy.

• 9:54Speaker 05

  Look at that.

• 9:54Adam Sosnick?

  He's like, what car? I said, turn around.

• 9:58Speaker 05

  Look at him.

• 10:00Adam Sosnick?

  I'm like, get over here, just straight.

• 10:02Speaker 05

  Guys, he literally took a leap of faith. He goes, I'm just getting on an airplane.

• 10:07Adam Sosnick?

  You want to see the before and after? So we get there, he gets in with us, he didn't know he was going to get a ticket. Next thing you know, thanks to PBD, thanks to our crew, thanks to Turning Point. Look how close Matt, who had no access, he's standing there, front row with me, David Harris Jr., Matt Sappala. Hey, look, we made it.

• 10:23Speaker 05

  Having faith, bro.

• 10:24Adam Sosnick?

  I said, Matt, you just show up, great things will happen.

• 10:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's talk about yesterday. Let's talk about yesterday's event and how magical it was. By the way, I've been to a lot of church revivals in my lifetime. I've been to many. And Tom, how do you define a revival? They bring a lot of speakers, messages are being given, maybe you're recommitting, right? You're making new decisions. What would you say revival is?

• 10:47Tom Ellsworth?

  A revival is where churches used to take a couple of days out and say, "Hey, we're gonna invite some other pastors here, and we're also gonna talk about things that really matter here in the community, and specifically, why your faith is so important." And it's not just the one-hour sermon with some praise.

• 11:03Patrick Bet-David?

  It's like an eight, 10-hour deal, right?

• 11:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, sometimes they're all day. Old-fashioned revivals used to be like, all day on Saturday, and then baptizing people at the end of the day, and everything that goes with it. But it was more conversion-focused.

• 11:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So yesterday, this place, Rob, if you just show one of the clips of what the place looked like. This place was jam-packed. Please welcome to the stage Frank Turri. He crushed it, by the way.

• 11:28Tom Ellsworth?

  It was great.

• 11:29Patrick Bet-David?

  He crushed it.

• 11:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, this guy was just... I believe he was the gentleman that was standing behind Charlie Kirk when he got shot. He was one of the five men that were taken into the car.

• 11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So I had the boys over there. While we're there with the whole family, they're sitting down, Vinnie's doing his thing, and then, all of a sudden, we go to the front, so we're saying hi to a bunch of people. "Oh my God, guys, if you were there, it was so great seeing everybody." Okay, it was so great seeing everybody. Walking, emotions high. Matt Sapala puts the camera on my face. I'm not expecting to be recorded at that time. I'm just soaking everything in. And Rob, I don't know if you have this one or not. And he just asked me, "What are you thinking about right now?", right? I haven't thought about an answer. He literally is to my right. I'm walking, I'm not trying to talk, I'm just trying to see what's going on. And then, all of a sudden, he says, "Pat, what's on your mind?"

• 12:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I walk in, Rob, if you can share this clip here. I walk in, you're hearing the music, you're hearing everything. This is the greatest revival I've ever been to in my life, and I've been to many. It is the greatest revival I've been to in my life. Watch this one here, Rob. Go ahead and play it.

• 12:43Patrick Bet-David?

  One kid, one of the United America, look what he did. One kid, 31 years old, they have to take him away. Millions of people will be inspired by this one guy, named Charlie Coles. We're gonna celebrate his life today.

• 12:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at Plaza right there. Let me tell you, emotions, emotions high, we go, we sit, and then all of a sudden, Mateo says, "Hey, you know, we all had floors here, we just showed up late, because traffic was high." By the way, we're going through a security, Secret Service. Guy opens up the door, he says, "PBD, we're trying to get in." I said, "Where are you from?" He says, "Toronto." I said, "Wait, you came in from Toronto?" He said, "We did, him and his wife, good-looking couple." I said, "So what happened?" "They send us out." I said, "What do you mean, 'they send us out'?" "There is no room in the stadium." "You're kidding me." "No." "What do you mean, 'there is no room'?" "There is no room in the stadium." "How about the overflow room?" "The overflow room is packed." Yep. "What are you talking about?" He's saying, "Can we get in with you?" I said, "I can't get you right now, I'm right with Secret Service, trying to get through."

• 13:40Patrick Bet-David?

  But it was such an incredible place to be, and then all of a sudden, we get in. Mateo takes us, he says, "Hey, Elon Musk is not gonna be there. His seats are available, because we was gonna be two and two, and I wanted the boys to sit together." We go and we sit down, it's me, Vinnie, Tico and Dylan. And then, literally, five minutes later, they say, "Well, Elon is here."

• 14:00Speaker 05

  He's right there.

• 14:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So Elon walks up, Vinnie gets up, Elon comes and sits right next to Tico.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  That was my seat.

• 14:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? And you see the hand up? You see the left hand up, someone's hand up?

• 14:10Speaker 05

  That's Dilly.

• 14:10Patrick Bet-David?

  That's Dylan's hand.

• 14:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So you can't see Dilly, you can't see Dylan's hand, but you can see Tico's profile. And it was just a great event, it was a great event, but, Vinnie, for you, what was it like being in the room?

• 14:24Speaker 05

  I, without trying to put fluff, or whatever people call it, when you walked into that stadium, you felt the presence of the Holy Spirit. People were sing- Think about it, one of our guys was just, 11 days ago, assassinated in cold blood in front of the world, and guess what this room was? Nobody was fighting, nobody was rioting, nobody was burning down, nobody was killing cops. Everybody just came together, and it was- By the way- Hugging, people were in tears, people were getting emotional, people that were like, "I've never, I haven't been to church," but this sparked something. And, and I, somebody said something about, um, they attempted to extinguish his light. Every time you try to extinguish somebody's light like this, like Charlie, it only makes

• 15:09Speaker 05

  the fire brighter, it makes it more. And I, I, I was, and again, Pat, Adam, thank you, thank you for giving us this opportunity just to be, and, because you would think people would be furious, people would be angry and upset. It brought us together and evil. Remember when you said in the, in the, in the green room at the vault, you go, and it was that moment where you're like, "We're, it's, it's, we're gonna win, there's no way." And this is it, man, this was such a, such a beautiful moment, and I asked that question to you about the other side, because who, if you had to compare anybody from the other side that was at Charlie, where, who, who on the other?

• 15:43Patrick Bet-David?

  They don't have nobody.

• 15:44Speaker 05

  They don't have nobody.

• 15:45Patrick Bet-David?

  They don't have nobody at Charlie's.

• 15:46Speaker 05

  This is it, this is it, love.

• 15:47Patrick Bet-David?

  They don't have anybody at Charlie's level.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody. Let's go through a couple of the talks that was given, okay? Let's go through a couple of them. Rob, if you can pull up, uh, uh, pull up, um, Don Jr., because Don Jr. broke the ice.

• 16:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, he did.

• 16:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And if you guys weren't there, Don gave a phenomenal speech. I texted him afterwards. Phenomenal speech, but Don was the guy that actually made the place a little bit, he brought the temperature down, he got people to laugh.

• 16:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:13Patrick Bet-David?

  By impersonating his dad.

• 16:14Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 16:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's Don Jr. impersonating his dad, right after his dad is in the arena, he points at him and then he does this, go ahead.

• 16:21Speaker 09

  ... social media knows I'm far more likely to crack a joke or get myself in trouble for posting some grossly inappropriate memes than I am to shed a tear. I know this because I've even gotten the call from that guy a couple of times. "You know, Don, Don, you're getting a little aggressive on social media, Don, relax."

• 16:47Speaker 05

  Clowning him in front of the world. Good data, dude. He's like, "Hi, everybody, excuse me."

• 17:00Speaker 05

  Dana White and Jared.

• 17:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you actually?

• 17:02Speaker 05

  And Eric.

• 17:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Picture that call happening? Can you actually picture that call happening? Meaning, his father called him saying, "Listen, tone down that Michelle Obama type of stuff."

• 17:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Relax with that, right?

• 17:12Speaker 05

  Coming from him, yeah, and him going, "Who are you to talk to me? You're the main guy."

• 17:19Speaker 05

  It's you.

• 17:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I learned it from you, yeah, yeah. But it was such a great moment when that happened, right? When Don said what he said about it. And, uh, another one, Rob, if you can pull up, uh, I, I, I actually really like Tucker's message. Tucker's message when he gave the message about, uh, uh, Rob, which part, which story is this? Is this the actual story?

• 17:42Speaker 05

  The opening?

• 17:43Patrick Bet-David?

  The opening, is this the one?

• 17:44Speaker 05

  Uh, no, this is when, uh, the comment that Vinnie had mentioned.

• 17:48Patrick Bet-David?

  But the martyr one, but I think the opening. Oh, you know, uh, uh, this is the one where he says, "When he dies," he says, "I have an idea, let's just kill him." Is this it?

• 17:54Speaker 05

  Oh, no, that's the beginning, Rob, that's the opening when he talked about, he talked about Jesus. That's the one.

• 17:59Patrick Bet-David?

  It is.

• 17:59Speaker 05

  That's the main one.

• 18:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Unbelievable how this guy opened it up.

• 18:03Speaker 05

  And he does the laugh, I think that's the one where he laughs.

• 18:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, it is unbelievable.

• 18:06Speaker 05

  We're speaking the truth.

• 18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, the story Tucker told, is this the one, Rob?

• 18:11Speaker 05

  Yes, right there.

• 18:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, watch this one, folks, listen to this one.

• 18:15Speaker 10

  Ultimately, he was a Christian evangelist. And it actually reminds me of my favorite story ever. So it's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power. And he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people. And they hate it and they just go bonkers, they hate it. And they become obsessed with making him stop. This guy's got to stop talking. We've got to shut this guy up. And I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamplit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about, "What do we do about this guy telling the truth about us? We must make him stop talking."

• 18:58Speaker 10

  And there's always one guy with a bright idea and I can just hear him say, "I've got an idea, why don't we just kill him? That'll shut him up. That'll fix the problem."

• 19:13Speaker 10

  It doesn't work that way.

• 19:16Speaker 10

  It doesn't work that way. Everything is inverted.

• 19:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what did you think about that message?

• 19:20Tom Ellsworth?

  The message that Tucker gave immediately was getting heat as people were connecting dots and saying, "Oh, he's bringing up Israel." No, he wasn't. He's bringing up the historical fact that there were Jewish people at that time waiting for the Messiah. And are you the Messiah? Are you Him? And he was ministering to people, healing people. But the leaders of the synagogue, who were corrupt, they wanted to keep power. And so, that's exactly what happened. And we all know the Easter story and the Passover week and what they did and trumped up charges on him and did it. And so Tucker's talking about that. And he was recounting that biblically, very authentically. And then people were giving him heat for that.

• 20:03Tom Ellsworth?

  But his bigger point that he made really touched me because I felt the Holy Spirit was front and center. Faith was foregrounded. But it wasn't like a political rally where you talk about faith, but you spin it. You're really careful how you say it because you don't offend these people over here, over here. And there was no spin of it. And Tucker was just telling the historical story of that's what happened to Christ and that's how Christ became the Savior of the world. And I thought Tucker's recounting of that was fine. And people were saying, "Oh, you know, he's..."

• 20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  What did you think about it? What did you think about his message?

• 20:41Tom Ellsworth?

  I thought Tucker's... I thought overall Tucker's message was well-crafted. It wasn't overlong.

• 20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 20:48Tom Ellsworth?

  And I thought he was kind of on point to the moment. I kind of felt that way.

• 20:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought so as well. I thought he crushed it. I thought he was phenomenal. I thought the great thing about a panel of speakers is if everybody hits the different tone and not everybody hits the same.

• 21:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 21:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, sometimes everyone's like, "You know, when a ruler dies..."

• 21:10Tom Ellsworth?

  When a tyrant dies, his rule is over. When a martyr dies, his rule begins.

• 21:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Three people use the same quote, but they were not in the room to hear that.

• 21:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 21:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So the first person that said it, the reaction was massive. It was Benny Johnson. The place was lit up. And then afterwards, it was like, "Well, that's why you need to be there to hear what the audience is saying, so you're not saying the same thing twice." But I thought Tucker's message was spot on. Adam, your thoughts?

• 21:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, let me just say Tucker, then I'll give you my thoughts on the thing. I thought Tucker did a great job. You know, I don't, you're saying that people took his message the wrong way, Tom?

• 21:42Speaker 05

  Some people, some people obviously immediately are like, oh, he's, look, read the underlying thing. He's going after, you know, Israel did.

• 21:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, Adam, it appeared to be people online that didn't understand that he was properly recounting the, the story of Christ, and they were saying, oh, he was telling this tale trying to insinuate, you know, Israel responsibility.

• 22:04Adam Sosnick?

  I think that's a massive stretch. I think he was talking about the elites and the establishment of the time, whether that was the, what was it, Pharisees?

• 22:16Speaker 05

  Pharisees.

• 22:16Adam Sosnick?

  And maybe even the Romans.

• 22:17Tom Ellsworth?

  And the Sadducees.

• 22:18Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 22:18Tom Ellsworth?

  The Sanhedrin.

• 22:19Adam Sosnick?

  Because he certainly wasn't talking about the Hebrews or the Israelites, because those were literally his followers. Every single one of them was all Jewish.

• 22:28Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 22:28Adam Sosnick?

  So anyone that's extrapolating and being like, he's anti-Israel, in this speech, now he's talking about the elites and the establishment.

• 22:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 22:35Adam Sosnick?

  Because every single one of the apostles, every single one of his followers were Jewish Hebrews at the time. Pivoting.

• 22:43Adam Sosnick?

  Erica Kirk crushed the event.

• 22:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh.

• 22:46Adam Sosnick?

  I mean, absolutely incredible. Sometimes, you know, people are anointed, well, she's the wife, she's the natural. She deserves every second of this. Her speech was incredible. The, the forgiveness. She forgives the killer 11 days after his assassination. I would be filled with rage. Way to calm the flames. Way to calm, if she came up there and gave a message like, we need to attack them, what do you think would be happening right now? Message of unity, unbelievable. They say that it was a revival, not a memorial. So, full disclosure, this is my first time ever at a revival like this. I've been to church. This wasn't church. This was a revival. This was unity. This was love. This was respect.

• 23:31Adam Sosnick?

  Because you don't have to be Christian. To show respect, you know, at one point Trump got on stage is like, you know, Charlie Kirk's, uh, his Lord and Savior, he didn't say our Lord and Savior. He said Charlie's Lord and Savior, did he not?

• 23:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:46Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, so I don't know if Trump is the most religious person. I'll let you guys speculate.

• 23:50Speaker 05

  He's not.

• 23:51Adam Sosnick?

  But he has enough respect.

• 23:53Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 23:53Adam Sosnick?

  And we show enough respect to say, this is where we're at at this point. You don't have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to have respect. And certainly in America, don't be anti-God. Don't be anti-Christianity. Don't be anti-Jesus, Moses, Abraham. That's not gonna be a good look.

• 24:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so by the way, maybe go to that, Rob. Play the clip of Erica.

• 24:15Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, man.

• 24:16Patrick Bet-David?

  When she went, so imagine it's been 11 days. They have to put an event together. The event goes flawless. I'm sitting, I'm looking at the name tags. The name tags quality wasn't paper. They had to flip it to create that. That, the name tag alone, that's gonna take you a minute to get. In seven days, they nailed AV. In seven days, they nailed VIPs getting in Secret Service security. In seven days, they nailed overflow room. In seven days, they put their speeches together. In seven days, they got everybody around the world that agreed to come. Who, who was the person that was there performing, Tom? The singers? The band?

• 24:53Adam Sosnick?

  Um, was it Blake?

• 24:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Which was the one that you said, you said the, the one with the-

• 24:57Adam Sosnick?

  The one I was listening to on the way here.

• 24:58Tom Ellsworth?

  They were wonderful.

• 25:00Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, my gosh. If, I can only imagine.

• 25:03Speaker 06

  It says here, Brandon Lake, Chris Tomlin, Phil Wickham, Cody Karns, and Kerry Jobe. Brandon Lake is a phenomenal Christian singer.

• 25:11Adam Sosnick?

  And Lee Greenwood.

• 25:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Lee Greenwood sang for the president for three minutes before while he stands. So, so you, you, they, they did all this, all this stuff. And Erica has to sit there to do makeup and she has to make her makeup, because you know it's all the cameras gonna be on her. And she has to get her speech and she has to get in front of everybody with a big poster in the, in the, in the stadium. 65,000 people of her husband right in front of her that she has to stare at while she's giving that speech. The emotions high. And this is one of the moments of her message here. Go ahead, Rob.

• 25:45Speaker 11

  That young man.

• 25:49Speaker 11

  That young man. On the cross, our Savior said.

• 25:58Speaker 11

  Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do.

• 26:05Speaker 11

  That man.

• 26:09Speaker 11

  That young man.

• 26:13Speaker 11

  I forgive him.

• 26:23Speaker 05

  Everybody's crying.

• 26:24Adam Sosnick?

  That was the most powerful part of the entire day.

• 26:34Adam Sosnick?

  What a strong woman, what an incredible woman.

• 26:36Speaker 05

  That's so not easy to do.

• 26:40Adam Sosnick?

  And didn't ruin her makeup, looked great.

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• 27:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how hard that is to do. You know how hard that is to do. The man that kills your husband, you forgive him 11 days later. After it happens. Can you go to power versus force, which is something we keep talking about.

• 28:09Adam Sosnick?

  But it's so relevant, it's so relevant in these situations. Every day I'm going, when I wake up, where am I at?

• 28:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, watch this. Where is her?

• 28:17Adam Sosnick?

  Love.

• 28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  It's all love, low level 500. It's all, it is so hard to get there. You forgive him publicly, that's love. That's reverence. That's very hard to be there, very hard. It's above reason, because a person could say, listen, let me reason with you. I understand why you're upset. You just lost your husband in front of everybody. No, it's faith, it's love, and I respect it. It's not easy. The average person cannot do it because even the other day when what's his name was here, Eric was here, he says, I'm angry, I'm angry, I'm angry, right? I'm angry, I totally get it. The only, the, the, the person that was hit by this more than anybody else is giving the example of love. What do you think the rest of the world should be doing?

• 29:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought it was a great moment of what she did in the entire event. And I thought that was her way of almost letting everybody, you know, say, hey, if I'm coming from this place, guys, you know, let's, let's not increase the temperature more than what it is right now. I was very impressed by it.

• 29:24Adam Sosnick?

  Even in, uh, even in Charlie's death, we're seeing the legacy of his decision making. What kind of decision making do you think it took for him to say, that's my wife? If I'm gone, she could carry the torch. We're just starting to learn about Erica Kirk, the new CEO of Turning Point. But for what we're seeing about her in the last 11 days, wow, what a great decision Charlie made. Uh, a lot of people are acting in anger or desire at this point for her to show this outpouring of love for the person that just killed her husband is setting the tone for the rest of the country. God bless.

• 29:58Speaker 05

  You know why, Pat, like on the, on the up, not the opposite side, but Stephen Miller, who has been on a, just a mission, when he said, those trying to ferment hatred against us, what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. Nothing. You are wickedness. He's calling out, he's calling out evil. He's like, you are jealousy, you are envy, you are hatred, you are nothing, you can build nothing, you can produce nothing. You cannot defeat us, you cannot slow us down, you cannot stop us, you cannot deter. We will carry Charlie and Eric on our hearts every single day and fight that much harder. He goes, you have no idea how determined we will be to save this civilization.

• 30:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Outside of Erica, who was your favorite speaker?

• 30:37Speaker 05

  Outside of Erica? Yeah, Erica was number one.

• 30:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Miller?

• 30:43Speaker 05

  I think Tucker, Tucker, because he opened with Christ and he ended with Christ. And I do love, I do love, I would put Stephen Miller, Pat, because at the end of the day, he's not saying kill, and he's, he's, he was talking to evil and evil's face and going, if you think, by the way, if you think we're going to stop, you're crazy. And I love that he called out back, because think about the other side. They were still on TV, they were still out there. Again, I have a bunch of clips. All of them saying Hitler, fascist, hate, Jasmine Crockett, all these people, Steve Bunnel. It's like, you're not gonna stop, we're not gonna stop.

• 31:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, who was your favorite speaker?

• 31:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, I had to be Erica. Uh, and there were some people on social media that didn't understand what she meant by forgiveness. She's not giving him a pardon. She's saying, in my heart,

• 31:33Tom Ellsworth?

  I have to forgive, so I'm not the one that's eternally bitter. But the Bible will tell you that in your forgiveness, you know, there are earthly consequences, there are consequences. And the consequences is this young man is going to stand trial. And whatever happens there is going to happen there. And so Erica was my number one. Um, number two was Turk. The, um, security and the associate of, of, uh, Charlie who was in the, in the SUV with him when they put him in there.

• 32:06Tom Ellsworth?

  And he talked about how Charlie's eyes were still open. And he says, he was looking at me, but he wasn't because he was gone. They're trying to administer, you know, now we know, they're trying to administer, you know, first aid and there was no hope getting to the hospital. Third was Tucker and then was Suzy Wells. Those are mine. Erica, Turek, Tucker.

• 32:32Adam Sosnick?

  I thought, I thought Frank Turek was incredible. I shook his hand afterwards. You're asking who you thought the best speaker was after Erica Kirk. Who resonated the most with you? I think we're all in agreement that Erica Kirk crushed it. Yeah. For me, it was number one and number two after Erica was Don Jr. And Trump himself. Because of two reasons. Trump shut down the show. I think humbly, Mr. President, Erica should have gone last, in my opinion. But what Don Jr. Did was a message of, I know I'm usually angry. I know I'm usually sarcastic, but let me actually lighten the mood for a second. Let me give a little brevity to this. And I thought he did with his impression.

• 33:14Adam Sosnick?

  He also, also, and this is the biggest message here, showed a little bit, a little bit of being a synergist. We know Trump is not a synergist. He literally said, I hate my enemies. Charlie, you did it. Charlie loved his perceived enemies. Don Jr. At one point, I was talking with Matt Sapala. He showed a little bit signs of being a synergist. I don't know if we're there. Stephen Miller, not a synergist. So I think we need a lot more unity in this country. What I was most upset about, you tell me, guys, I could be wrong. I didn't see one Democrat politician there, not one, not one. You're telling me as a brand, as an establishment, you're half the country. You see the other half of the country.

• 33:57Adam Sosnick?

  distraught, angry, sad, just filled with rage, love, affection, none of you show up, bro? Not one? Imagine the power if AOC shows up. Imagine.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  Adam, they would never.

• 34:09Adam Sosnick?

  But we're at such a place in our country where you can't even show up.

• 34:12Speaker 05

  Adam.

• 34:12Adam Sosnick?

  That, to me, is what we're lacking.

• 34:14Speaker 05

  Adam, these are the same people that couldn't stand up during Trump's State of the Union. When a black kid that has cancer, that wants to be a secret, they couldn't stand up and applaud him. You think they're gonna fly to Arizona on faith and just walk around and hope? No.

• 34:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I think they kind of stood up during the weekend and made their opinions known, and not all of those were good. But there was one.

• 34:36Speaker 05

  Van Jones.

• 34:36Tom Ellsworth?

  There was one, Van Jones.

• 34:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna come to Van Jones.

• 34:39Adam Sosnick?

  But he's not a politician.

• 34:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So, can you do me a favor? Play the clip of what Adam said about Trump, you know, where he says, "You guys like it, I don't like, that's not me, that's not me." You just had it up, Rob, I think. That's the one. Go ahead.

• 34:52Speaker 12

  He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent.

• 35:01Speaker 12

  And I don't want the best for them, I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group, and maybe they can convince me that that's not right, but I can't stand my opponent. I like that comment.

• 35:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe she can convince me.

• 35:16Speaker 12

  I'm willing to, yeah. He's angry, looking down, he's angry at me now. He wasn't interested in demonizing anyone, he was interested in...

• 35:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, I'll tell you a couple of things from you, on what I liked, okay? I took notes when they were talking, and here's what I got. I like what Frank Turk said. He said, "Make heaven crowded." Okay, our job is to make heaven crowded. Great message. And I talked to him afterwards. He said it was great seeing your sons here. I said, "I appreciate it," but it was him giving that message. The Sergio Gore, I don't know who he is. Who is Sergio Gore?

• 35:52Adam Sosnick?

  He's very much into the Trump orbit. You can find his exact title.

• 35:56Patrick Bet-David?

  What does he do?

• 35:57Adam Sosnick?

  He's an ambassador.

• 35:58Speaker 06

  Director of the White House Presidential Personnel Office.

• 36:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's somebody. And by the way, it doesn't mean anything. I don't know who he is. I don't want to... I don't want this thing to...

• 36:07Adam Sosnick?

  He's also the ambassador to India.

• 36:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, fantastic. You know what he said? Which was very interesting, because I think that that applies to every business, but specifically, he said, "The world of politics is filled with transactional people."

• 36:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And he was making a point that Charlie wasn't a transactional person. Which means they come in, they get what they want next. They come in, they get what they want next. They come in, they get what they want next. You ever seen the, the movie Vice? Where there is a scene where Carol, what is it? Steve Carell, whatever. Steve Carell, yeah, Steve Carell. He's the one where he says to Christian Bale, who's playing. Dick Cheney, I believe, yes. And he says, "Man, is it possible that you're even more evil than you were when I first met you?" This is when Dick Cheney is firing Kim. Yeah. Can, can it even be possi- this scene, I don't know if you know the scene. No, I don't know. Have you seen this movie? Remember I told you I was in a way to watch it? I have to watch this with you. Okay, Vice? There's a scene, do you know what scene I'm talking about?

• 37:03Patrick Bet-David?

  It's kind of an accurate movie, but I know the scene. Yeah, he says, "Can you get any more evil than you used to be?" I cannot believe that. So, in, in politics, transactional, "I got what I wanted from you, boom, next. I got what I wanted from you next." So, I like that point being made, the fact that Charlie wasn't, he was a guy that was a builder. Trump called him a master builder, okay? Master builder. Tucker's message was on fire. Um, Hexet said Charlie had big plans. But God had even bigger plans. I actually like Hexet's message. He came and he delivered, he left, gave his salute at the end. He is. Uh, uh, uh, then Hexet told a story about what his pastor told him. He said, "The devil overplayed his hand."

• 37:46Patrick Bet-David?

  He started, he said, "Charlie started Turning Point USA." But he said, "This event will end up becoming the turning point of USA." Wow. Did you, did you understand that messaging? Like pastors telling him that, and Hexet's sharing that with the audience. I texted Bobby and I said to Bobby, I said, "Listen, that one message, it, it was, you could tell," and Bobby was having a hard time. Some was going on with Bobby. I think this could have been an emotional moment for him, probably more than anybody else because there's only one person in that room that has the experience of your relatives being assassinated. That's him, yeah. It's him. So that's why I told him, I said, "Listen, man, I mean, you know, this has gotta be," and he sends me, so I said, he, he says, "One day I go to my mom and I ask, 'Do you have this rap?'" He says, "One day I go to my mom. Is this it?" Uh, the long, yes, longer version is right here.

• 38:30Patrick Bet-David?

  It is so amazing when he says, "I go to my mom and I ask her about mom." What do you do with the hole? The pain of losing someone?

• 38:39Adam Sosnick?

  After his brother David, another son of...

• 38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you do with that? What do you do when you have that hole? How do you, how do you deal with it? And this is, this is what he was told. Go ahead, Rob.

• 38:57Speaker 13

  When my brother David died, I had a conversation with my mother, who had been through more than her share of loss and tragedy. And I said, I asked her, I said, does the hole that they leave in you when they die, does it ever get any smaller? And she said, no, it never gets any smaller. But our job is to build ourselves bigger around the hole. We do that...

• 39:30Speaker 13

  We do that by taking the best virtues and character traits of the person that we've lost and using discipline and restraint and practice, integrating those character traits into our own character. And in doing that, we make ourselves larger and the hole gets proportionally smaller. And we also give that person a kind of immortality. Because they are now living on, the best parts of them are now living on in us.

• 40:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Holy moly, can you imagine? How powerful that is, what he's talking about? But you know, before we, before we go to the other side, what the other side was saying about this.

• 40:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I, while we're sitting there yesterday, I remember I interviewed Charlie in 2017, eight years ago, when he was, because Matt Sappala's in the car, he's like, "I remember he used to always talk about Charlie Kirk. Pay attention to this guy, he's gonna be a president." So you were saying that seven, eight years ago? I'm like, who is this Charlie Kirk guy? I don't know who this Charlie Kirk guy is. He says, and then I finally, the more and more and more I followed, I realized how big he was, how big of a deal he was becoming. And then obviously, at this point, Charlie being where he's at, and I'm like, wait a minute. Oh, right there. When is the interview, Rob? June 21st of 2017. That's when I uploaded it. Can you, can you pull up so? Pull, pull up, uh...

• 40:51Adam Sosnick?

  That's six months after Trump took office the first time.

• 40:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have the one which is the whole interview? What, which channel are you on? VT main.

• 41:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, that's the interview. I found it somewhere. Apparently, you don't have it there. I think I found it somewhere here, Rob.

• 41:06Adam Sosnick?

  Look at how young he is. Can we see like how?

• 41:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, man, that conversation was, uh... That conversation was... But I want you to see the opening, and I don't think that's the opening.

• 41:16Adam Sosnick?

  No, it's not.

• 41:19Adam Sosnick?

  No, it's not.

• 41:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we just see what he looks like?

• 41:21Adam Sosnick?

  Look how young!

• 41:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's the first time Charlie and I spoke, and I... You know, in my business, the business I'm in, my job is to identify who's gonna be a player in three, five, 10 years.

• 41:36Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 41:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the business I'm in. That's what I've done the last however many years. So I just look at someone, I say, "There's something very different and unique about this guy." I just found it. I just want to send you the intro to this, the first time that he and I spoke, Rob.

• 41:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He had a thousand people at this event. We're in Dallas, okay? Rob, I just sent you the link. If you can just put the intro. We're in Dallas, and I see this guy. And I said, "This guy, this guy's different." There's something very special about this guy. You know, you felt the energy. You felt the fact that he was not just talking just to talk. He was really selling a vision into something he believed in. Can you open it up, Rob? Audio? Yes. Go ahead.

• 42:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So one of the things I love doing is I love meeting young cats who love capitalism. And today, we're gonna meet Charlie Kirk, who I think was a capitalist from the day he was born, and he's been on politics from the day probably he was born. So I'm really curious to hear your story, how you went from... Pause it right there. Yeah, and I leave, I say, "This guy's gonna be president one day." Okay? So here's the point. I wrote one thing. From my whole thing of Charlie Kirk, this is the part. In life, every once in a while, you will meet somebody that is much younger than you.

• 43:08Patrick Bet-David?

  But you'll know immediately, this person calibrates at a much more mature level than you. This is what you, when you say age doesn't matter. You feel maturity. You feel wisdom. You feel leadership. You feel a certain level of determination and seriousness that gets you to look past the person being 23. And he said, I don't really care about the age. The way, the way the guy carries himself is unbelievable. How many people, one of the pastors gets up on stage and he says, one day Charlie Kirk calls me and he says, I want you to mentor me and I want you to teach me everything you know about the Bible.

• 43:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says,

• 43:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, how's that even possible? The smartest guy I know is telling me that I'm going to teach you. What am I going to be able to teach you, right? I don't know, whatever the,

• 44:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I think it was Frank.

• 44:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it was Frank. Yeah, who said that, right? And then JD Vance, the vice president, which by the way, for a split second, he held it. He paused for five seconds. He was about to break down. And he says, you know, Charlie last week calls me and he's coming back from Korea. And he says, there's some things I want to talk to you about that we have to improve with our relationship in Korea.

• 44:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, the one phone call of a guy I would call to ask him for advice, I can no longer make that phone call. And that's Charlie Kirk. This is the vice president talking about calling a 31-year-old to get his advice. Charlie was that guy. Charlie was not 31 years old. Physically, he may have been 31 years old.

• 44:51Patrick Bet-David?

  But the way he knew history, the way where his heart was, his faith was. The guy was a real-life philosopher, pastor, all combined in one person that we got a chance to witness. And by the way, while this is going on, Van Jones, okay? Who many would look at Van Jones and say, Van Jones is a Obama guy. Van Jones at one point was tied to politically to some people said some communism, you know, maybe.

• 45:21Tom Ellsworth?

  He said himself. I am a communist. And then he said, I've rolled off that, but I'm still.

• 45:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. And then he all of a sudden tells a story here about Charlie Kirk. And, and you can tell how sincere he's being. Go ahead, Rob.

• 45:38Speaker 14

  Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact, the last week of his life, we were beefing hard, beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died, he did something that shocked me. He sent me a personal message, calling for personal dialogue, wanting me to come on his show. He said we could be gentlemen together. He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And in the past week and a half, just watching people talk about civil wars and censorship and all this stuff coming out of his death, I just thought it was important to let people know, don't put that on Charlie Kirk. Because the last day of his life, he was reaching out to have not more censorship,

• 46:22Speaker 14

  more conversation, more dialogue with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries, me. And I just want to share that with the world. And I hope that maybe it might help somebody on both sides deal with the issues more like he did.

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• 47:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I think Van Jones there, first of all, Van, you watch us, I know you're watching. Thank you for being honest and thank you for positioning your response like that. That is a, that was a stand-up thing you did after you received a stand-up message. And I think he's right. You know, when I read this past week that Charlie said to somebody, he said, "We have to be careful. When the conversation stops, that's when the violence starts." And he's talking about civil disobedience and rioting and things, when that conversation stops. And so Van's bringing that up. And I think this is exactly why you have to have the conversations. Because, what was conversation?

• 48:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Conversation isn't for two people to come to the table, have a coffee, and then not move an inch. A conversation is so there can be some understanding and there can be some new understanding and learning and together saying, "I didn't know this, I didn't know that." And this is where I think some of the, like the vitriol that I catch and people on this podcast and elsewhere catch from the hard left, they seem to think I'm evil. I just think that they're, they're not correct and we need to talk about it. And that's the difference I see. And I, I love the fact that, that Van went out as, and showed people this and said the

• 49:05Tom Ellsworth?

  words, "Don't put that on Charlie Kirk." Which I thought was a way to lower the temperature at a time where we need it lowered, Pat.

• 49:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I thought so as well. Adam, your thoughts?

• 49:17Adam Sosnick?

  Well, respect to Van Jones for being honest. Because, you know, there's this whole concept out there, "We're gonna own the libs, bro. We're gonna dunk on these guys, we're gonna show them what's going on." Or on the other side, it's like, "He's evil, he's Hitler." Let's all just agree on the basic foundation of who we are as Americans, as humans. We all want the same thing. We all want the best for our family, we all want the best for ourselves. We all want to do good things in this world. And then you can take exceptions to this rule. This person's a horrible person, this person's a horrible person. Erica Kirk, in a moment that... galvanized, I believe, the country, I would hope, forgave the person that murdered her husband.

• 50:01Adam Sosnick?

  That's something that I will go to the well in time and time again. At a time where it's so easy to be angry, or what's the, what's the next word? Desire, I'm gonna show you what's going on, to give grace and empathy and compassion and kindness and respect. You, you think that just came, that lived in a vacuum? Or did she get that from Charlie? And did Charlie see himself beefing with Van Jones and say, you know what, man? Let's just talk about this a little bit. This concept of grace and being, uh, being able to disagree, uh, without being disagreeable is such an important concept. Last point that I just want to bring up, you talked about President Trump. And he said that Charlie was a master builder, right? So, in my opinion,

• 50:46Adam Sosnick?

  Charlie Kirk would have been the next president and he would have been a better president than Donald Trump. Why? Trump said the following, he goes, Charlie wasn't concerned with money. You said, he said, uh, he was more about meaning than money. He said he was more about his mission than money. You talked about how, I think it was Sergio Gore, who was in the Trump inner circle. He said that Trump is transactional in the quote, the quote you said about Dick Cheney. Trump wrote the book, The Art of the Deal.

• 51:15Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no, you said Trump is transactional?

• 51:17Adam Sosnick?

  I think Trump is transactional.

• 51:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying that?

• 51:19Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying that.

• 51:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Not Sergio Gore.

• 51:21Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 51:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, okay.

• 51:23Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying, right, I got you.

• 51:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump is transactional. Okay, your opinion is Trump is transactional?

• 51:26Adam Sosnick?

  Yes. He wrote the book, The Art of the Deal. Everything's a deal, everything's a deal. If you say nice things about me, you're my friend. If you say mean things about me, we're enemies. He said, I hate my enemies. These are Trump's quotes. Charlie didn't care about money, he cared about his mission. Trump, I don't think Charlie was transactional. Is that what he said?

• 51:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's saying that Charlie's not transactional.

• 51:45Adam Sosnick?

  Correct, that's what I'm saying. I think Trump, I think Charlie would have been Trump. But better with sympathy and with principles and without, dare I say it, corruption.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  But, okay, sorry.

• 51:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Vinny.

• 51:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, cuz I was gonna say, um.

• 52:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you, are you gonna respond to what you just said?

• 52:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, Sam, say, well, first, and I, when you said, Adam, cuz I have to disagree. When you said, we all want what's good for our families and we all want what's good for the country. That's, I think that's the far from the truth. Because the other side, I hate having to go this side and this side. Show me an example of how their family and the country and the, cuz everything that they've showed us to this point, Adam. From open, opening the borders to, to all the children getting abused, to, to pro-abortion, to pro-violence, to celebrating murder, I don't see it. I do respect what Van John did, but what is he going to do with it? Cuz it always seems like these, these people go and they have this moment of light. They see the light and then they jump right back.

• 52:45Speaker 05

  Cuz he's supposed to take that, I'm happy he's saying it, but what are you gonna do with it? Are you gonna try to convince your side that the other side isn't evil? We're not Nazis, we're not crazy. It's just, take it and what are you gonna do with it? Because what I'm seeing, and Adam, saying that Charlie would have been, I mean, it's your opinion, better than Trump. Nobody, nobody, I don't think, ever is going to go through what Trump, meaning, before he even got in, the spying, Obama, Brennan, deep state, everything, collusion. Trump had to go through hell and back to get to this point where I could see where he's on stage going. I'm not agreeing with it, but he knows the left was watching him. He knows, that's why he's like, I hate my enemies, I'm not gonna forgive my enemies.

• 53:28Speaker 05

  So my point is being, Adam, the other side has to understand, they have to have a moment. Something has to happen with the left to, besides realizing you guys are losing. Something spiritually, Adam, has to connect with these people because they're not jumping off the train. They're staying on the same rhetoric, that's negativity and it's anti-America and it's anti-us.

• 53:51Adam Sosnick?

  So I have one question for you.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:53Adam Sosnick?

  What do you mean by the other side?

• 53:55Speaker 05

  The other side, meaning the left.

• 53:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do this, let's do this, wait. Let me respond to the Charlie thing and let's go to the other side. Cuz we got a bunch of clips to go through. Uh, the comment you made, I think it's a little bit of an unfair comment, but let me give my thoughts on why I think that is. And then, I actually like that you said that cuz it's a good conversation to have. To me, um, I think Lincoln was the right guy for that time.

• 54:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Reagan was the right guy for that time. Okay. I think John F. Kennedy was the right guy for that time. I don't think anybody could have done what Trump did to face the criticism and had the authority and the swagger to pull up and get there. You gotta realize, yes, we're giving a lot of love to Charlie. And he deserves every ounce of it. Yes, we're giving a lot of love to all the people that spoke there. But one guy put him up there. And that was Trump. Without Trump, we don't know Charlie.

• 55:05Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not the other way around. First comes the prophet, the guy that was willing to go to war and had the audacity and fearlessness, who inspired Charlie's to get behind him. You know, what did they say, the chicken, what is the? Chicken under the egg. The first came Trump. Okay? That is a historical figure that came and then came, I'm gonna go fight for him and I'm gonna go get all these states and places for him. When he says, Charlie would call me sometimes and he would say, Mr. President, can you be in Arizona tomorrow? What? What are you talking about tomorrow? You're giving me one day. These people need to hear from you.

• 55:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And sometimes I'm like, this guy is crazy, but I would have to go for it. Why? Because he did so much for us, right? He did so much for us. And as much as you're saying transactional, I, there's a part of me, I got a phone call, you know, from someone that said, Pat, I wonder if it's all business with you, right? Is it all business with you? It's a fair question to ask. It's not a, it's not a, I don't take it as an insult. I take it as, yeah, I can see how that's what it could look like. If it was only transactional, why is Dana White still in his life 20 something years later? How much money has he made off of Dana White? Why are so many of these guys? Still doing what they're doing.

• 56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Was there an element of transactional? Sure. Was there an element of that that happens in business? Yes. Are some of those people you don't want to be in business with again? Yes. But I think Trump is a once in a lifetime type of guy. Who built master builders. There are master builders. Then there is the guy that built master builders. Trump is the guy that built a ton of master builders. Trump created careers for people. Trump put people on the limelight with podcasts, with shows, with writing, with politics. Trump gave camera and eyeballs to people who have never gotten it before. That's the difference. But if you're going back to saying.

• 57:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, when the one part of the event which was like such a boom. It just hits you. Is the comment JD Vance made.

• 57:25Adam Sosnick?

  Mm hmm.

• 57:26Patrick Bet-David?

  When he says, I have not talked about Jesus. More in my lifetime than I have in the last two weeks, and that's because of Charlie. Charlie brought God back into the center stage. Charlie's bringing that back. That's gonna be Charlie's movement. Which I don't think we got with the president, which I don't think we got, but I don't think that's him. I don't think he needs to be that guy. I do think we're gonna get to a point that. Somebody in the next five, 10, 15, 20 years, a president's gonna come. That they're gonna open things up with a prayer. Hey, before we do this, can I pray for everybody? Yeah. Heavenly Father, you know, I pray for you. I see that's coming up. And I do think that's gonna be inspired by. Uh, uh, by, by Charlie. And by the way, as crazy as it sounds.

• 58:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Charlie's gonna increase the calibration and the level of consciousness of America. Higher to love.

• 58:16Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 58:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But in that moment. Of what Trump has done the last eight years. No, the guy is, the guy is a very, very unique guy. Now, having said that, if you do want to rebuttal to before I go into some of these things.

• 58:27Adam Sosnick?

  Look, I, I, I, it doesn't benefit me to disagree with Pat publicly. But sometimes I do. Here's where I'm gonna disagree with you, sir. Trump's 80 years old almost. Charlie is 31 at his death. You talk about apples to apples. One of the things I love about Patty goes, let's go there. Imagine Charlie 40 years from now. What kind of momentum he would have? What kind of things he would have done with his life? When Charlie started Turning Point, it was in 2012. Four years before Trump even thought about running for president. And he started this with purpose, with a meaning, with a mission. And look what he accomplished at 31. At 31, respectfully, Trump was building buildings. Charlie built a movement.

• 59:11Adam Sosnick?

  So, in my opinion, in 40 years from now, at the rate Charlie was going, he would have been bigger, better, and more wonderful than Trump.

• 59:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, 40 years?

• 59:22Adam Sosnick?

  I'm just saying, in general.

• 59:23Patrick Bet-David?

  In 40 years?

• 59:24Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, we can't compare Charlie at 31 to Trump at 80. I'm saying the trajectory he was on.

• 59:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 59:31Adam Sosnick?

  He would have been there.

• 59:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, so let me tell you how this works. Sometimes a person thinks they're famous. Like, for example, sometimes there are people that hang with a guy like Trump, let's just say. And everywhere Trump goes, there's cameras. And Trump's got four or five people around the circle who have never had this many eyeballs. This isn't just Trump. This can be said about many different people, right? But in this context, I'm just using Trump. Out of these five guys that are around Trump that are getting more eyeballs than ever in their lives, how many of them are grateful for it? Knowing they're getting it because of Trump?

• 1:00:14Patrick Bet-David?

  How many of them are thinking, "No, it's not because of Trump. It's because of me"? How many?

• 1:00:21Adam Sosnick?

  Out of the five?

• 1:00:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Out of the five.

• 1:00:23Adam Sosnick?

  I would say four out of the five think that, and they'd be wrong.

• 1:00:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Four out of the five think that, it's them, it's not Trump.

• 1:00:28Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:00:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm with you. So here's where I'm going with you.

• 1:00:31Adam Sosnick?

  I think Charlie's the one guy that says, "I owe my credit to Trump."

• 1:00:33Patrick Bet-David?

  100%, and what I'm going to is, what this guy did for 70 years is what prepared for the Republican Party to get the eyeballs that he's getting. Because ever since Trump was a kid, no matter where he went, cameras followed him.

• 1:00:53Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, no doubt. I agree with you.

• 1:00:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So what I'm saying to you is, he brought the... He made a lot of the conservative players celebrities.

• 1:01:00Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Purely by association, not the other way around.

• 1:01:04Adam Sosnick?

  I agree.

• 1:01:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're right. And I do think, and my part...

• 1:01:10Patrick Bet-David?

  With this is, I feel like I wanted to see the finished product with Charlie. That's the part. That, that maybe I don't, maybe I speak on behalf of some people, maybe I speak, I'm, I'm just speaking for myself, but if you relate, you relate. I really wanted to see what this guy was gonna do. But God's got bigger plans and I trust him more than I trust anybody else and we're gonna see what's gonna be happening with it. But I understand your argument you're making, for sure. He would have been a, he would have been a once in a lifetime type of talent. But Trump was the reason why a lot of this eyeballs came.

• 1:01:41Adam Sosnick?

  I'm giving Trump infinite respect. I'm simply saying apples to apples. If Charlie kept the trajectory he was on.

• 1:01:47Patrick Bet-David?

  No question.

• 1:01:48Adam Sosnick?

  He would have been bigger.

• 1:01:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No question.

• 1:01:49Adam Sosnick?

  Who else on that stage? Name one other person.

• 1:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  We talked about it yesterday.

• 1:01:53Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 1:01:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, I wrote about it, we were talking about it on the flight back.

• 1:01:55Adam Sosnick?

  Can I address something that Vinnie talked about on the, the, people on the other side? The other side.

• 1:02:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we play this clip?

• 1:02:00Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

• 1:02:02Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the other side. Okay. So, Rob, you got quite a few clips here of what people are saying. You can start off with Ilhan Omar, cause Ilhan Omar, folks, the moment you watch this, uh, you're gonna need a blood pressure pill. You may need a Tylenol, but don't take it if you're pregnant because, you know, they're, they're, they're making some announcements. President Trump and Maha's gonna make some announcements, so. Before you take Tylenol, please watch the announcement that they're making today. Tylenol just took a massive, uh, uh, hit, but, uh, just woo-sah for a second. While you hear this motivational speaker from the left, go ahead.

• 1:02:36Speaker 15

  It was the video, um, where it, it called him Dr. Frankenstein and said his monster shot him through the neck. I mean, obviously this is a person and, and looking at this, this is someone who was a husband and a father. And in the days after his shocking death, um, that happened as a result of, of his views or, or it happened as a result as he was sharing his views publicly with people. Uh, that people found it jarring to, to hear such criticism of that in the immediate aftermath of someone's death.

• 1:03:04Speaker 16

  What I, what I find jarring is that there are so many people willing to excuse the most reprehensible. Things that he said, that they agree with that, that they're willing to have monuments for him, that they want to create a day to honor him, and that they want to produce resolutions in the House of Congress honoring his life and legacy. It is one thing to care about his life, because obviously so many people loved him, including his children and wife. But I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man has left behind.

• 1:03:45Speaker 16

  That should be in the dustpan of history, and we should hopefully move on and forget the hate that he spewed every single day.

• 1:03:54Adam Sosnick?

  Unbelievable.

• 1:03:55Speaker 06

  Is it unbelievable?

• 1:03:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's one.

• 1:03:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Rob, Crockett, who is possibly a candidate for 2028. I know people joke about it.

• 1:04:06Speaker 06

  Hopefully she is.

• 1:04:07Patrick Bet-David?

  But I'm telling you, she's a candidate for 2028.

• 1:04:08Speaker 06

  Please.

• 1:04:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, is this the clip with her with Dana Bash?

• 1:04:11Speaker 06

  This is where they talk about the resolution to honor Charlie Kirk and her response why she was upset by it.

• 1:04:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 1:04:18Speaker 17

  That came before the House this past week honoring Charlie Kirk. And there were 58 Democrats who voted against it. You were one.

• 1:04:27Speaker 18

  Yeah, absolutely. You know what? One of the things I do want to point out that's not been laid out that honestly hurts my heart, is when I saw the no votes, there were only two Caucasians. For the most part, the only people that voted no were people of color, because the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously put out there was rhetoric that specifically targeted people of color. And so it is unfortunate that even our colleagues could not see how harmful his rhetoric was specifically to us. And I can tell you that a month prior to him passing away, he had actually gotten out on his podcast, I wasn't aware of this at the time, but he got out there and he was talking negatively about me directly.

• 1:05:09Speaker 18

  So if there was any way that I was going to honor somebody who decided that they were just going to negatively talk about me and proclaim that I was somehow involved in the great white replacement.

• 1:05:21Speaker 18

  Yeah, I'm not honoring that kind of stuff, especially as a civil rights attorney and understanding how I got to Congress, knowing that there were people that died, people that were willing to die, that worked to make sure that voices like mine could exist in this place. So to me, just like we wanted to make sure-

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  Vinnie, thoughts? Well, first of all, she has multiple personality syndrome because you could, like, that's not how she speaks when she's in front of a different crowd. It's like, "Yeah, child, mhm." She turns into- She lets her ghetto out a little bit. Completely different person. Rob, I sent you another clip. Pat, look at this. This is just a quick montage of this interview.

• 1:05:56Speaker 17

  I do want to play a couple of statements that you made earlier this year.

• 1:06:00Speaker 18

  Okay. Okay. Unfortunately, we have someone that is occupying the White House, and as far as I'm concerned, he is an enemy to the United States.

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  Enemy.

• 1:06:11Speaker 18

  They want to show that they are loyal to this, you know, I don't even know what to call him. I've called him so many things. But this wannabe Hitler, for sure.

• 1:06:20Speaker 05

  Bull. Hitler. Enemy.

• 1:06:22Speaker 17

  And to be clear, the president has attacked, other people have attacked you-

• 1:06:25Speaker 05

  She has to pick you back off of it.

• 1:06:26Speaker 17

  -in his orbit, maybe not him personally. But do you have a responsibility as an elected official, not to raise the temperature, but rather lower the temperature, particularly when there are people out there who listen to elected officials all over the place, who are not well, who use that as a way to instigate the political violence that you are calling out?

• 1:06:49Speaker 18

  I think that my responsibility is to be transparent and to be honest. And the reality is that we are living in a time in which this administration and this regime is not interested in making sure that people understand history. We need to understand why they are so problematic. And so I am using that language because it is accurate language when we see the consolidation of power.

• 1:07:10Speaker 05

  Rob, you can stop it. So you hear the words, you hear the three, regime, Hitler, all those type of rhetoric. So Adam, when I said, when you were asking to go back which side, this is the side. This is the, and I was, remember yesterday when I was asking, like, how many, what's the percentage of Democrats that are openly- only professing their faith that love God that say that they're Christians. I'm just, I'm very curious because I don't hear it at all. Zero from the Obamas to the Hillarys to Jasmine Crockett's to all these people. So Adam, when you ask what side? The Obama Hillary Crockett, the podcasters, the streamers, the left wing media, James Comey, Pritzker, Newsom.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  I don't feel personally that this side has any compassion. They don't have any love. They are godless. They've taken out God completely. I've yet to hear one of them say, thank God or pray for Charlie or pray for his wife. And it is that side and my Adam, I can't even get mad. I truly and Erica is a great example. I have to pray. That's the hardest thing. I told Pat last night while we were on the plane. I get a message from a guy named Todd, not going to say his last name. The message was like this. Hey, don't know if this is still your number and I'm going to take out all the cuss words. But you know what? F you, you so what you were in California with you drug, you women, womanize your F you and Charlie and hey, you're orange, blah, blah, blah. Adam, you know what old Vinnie would have done?

• 1:08:40Speaker 05

  Voice message FaceTime would have gone in. I block, I deleted my, I felt my blood pressure going up, but that's the, that's what the other side wants. And I don't see the love, Adam. I don't see the compassion. So when I say the other sides, as much as Tommy, we have to pray for them, Pat. It's not getting through their head. So when there is a clear divide, it's like, we could keep preaching, we could keep hoping like a Van Jones. That's what Charlie did is reached out and it hit Van Jones and he got to see it and his team actually let him know. Van didn't see it, Pat, his team goes, hey, just FYI, this is what happened because they're not open. They're not, they're not looking for it. So what do you do, Adam? When you have that side? That's, that's what the others, there's good, Adam, and there's evil and you have to call it out. So you have to.

• 1:09:22Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, a clip to show that Adam, I'm going to come to you. This is, this is a clip, Rob, I sent you depicting on how one side responds when there's a loss or an assassination attempt versus the other side. Go ahead, Rob.

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• 1:10:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is that?

• 1:10:50Speaker 05

  You told me.

• 1:10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is that?

• 1:10:51Speaker 05

  Please tell me.

• 1:10:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you doing that? That's NYPD, that's New York.

• 1:10:55Speaker 05

  Oh my, look at that.

• 1:10:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And look at the top. Celebrating the life. No burning flags.

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

  Stealing, looting.

• 1:11:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Loving America. Everybody was peaceful.

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  Sing it one more time.

• 1:11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So.

• 1:11:17Speaker 05

  All day.

• 1:11:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't. I'll pause it right there. Go ahead, Adam.

• 1:11:23Adam Sosnick?

  So, you're right in many respects. And I, but I do want to give a caveat. Everything you said about the politicians, the podcasters, the media, you're right. They're driving the divide in America. But I don't have the luxury of labeling quote unquote, 100 million people in America, the other side as evil. And I'll tell you why.

• 1:11:44Tom Ellsworth?

  I didn't say all of them are evil.

• 1:11:45Adam Sosnick?

  I know, I'm just saying, this is me.

• 1:11:48Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I think you made the premise to kind of toss back at Vinny there, but make your point.

• 1:11:54Adam Sosnick?

  Excuse me?

• 1:11:55Tom Ellsworth?

  I think you made the premise to toss back at Vinny, but go ahead and make your point.

• 1:12:00Adam Sosnick?

  Are you hosting the show right now? What are you doing right now?

• 1:12:03Tom Ellsworth?

  You don't like the, you don't like the statement?

• 1:12:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Toss back what, Tom? What did he toss back? Said, he was saying, he opened it up, which I think was drawing a line on Vinny's point. And I'm saying, make your point. You said, "That's not what I was doing. I don't have the luxury of, of taking a hundred million people and calling them the other side." And you were, I think, throwing that at Vinny. I don't think that was what he was doing. I'm just saying, I don't think that's what he was doing, but make your point.

• 1:12:35Adam Sosnick?

  What's happening right now? Can I?

• 1:12:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, respectfully, let me address Vinny. Thank you. You're calling-

• 1:12:41Tom Ellsworth?

  This is so funny. Go ahead. Tom, you good? I'm, I'm very good. Okay, go ahead.

• 1:12:48Adam Sosnick?

  Are you though?

• 1:12:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes. Adam, go ahead.

• 1:12:50Adam Sosnick?

  I thought I was talking to Vinny, but I don't know what happened here. But, love you, Tom. Let me address Vinny. I agree with you, everything you're saying on the Democratic side of things, the politicians, the podcasters, these people are what I would call representatives. They're not here to be synergists. And it's equal on both sides, whether it's AOC, whether it's Jasmine Crockett, whether it's Rashida Tlaib, whether it's Ilhan Omar, who I think is disgust. You could say the same for the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, you could say for the Lauren Boeberts, you could say for the same for the Anna Paulina Luna, who I actually think is awesome. These are representatives. They represent a very small district. And the way that they get eyeballs is to inflame people.

• 1:13:30Adam Sosnick?

  What they say is, you know, senators, senate is the cooling sauce for America. You don't see senators as much as representatives doing this, because they, they have a bigger constituency. You don't see governors doing this. At times, you, you tend to see presidents, sometimes like Trump, but they need to calm the flames right here. I'm with you, that there's a large contingency on the left and right, that stokes the flames and gets eyeballs, because their constituency is this big. Right? And a lot of them are anti-white. Anti-Christian, anti-male, and it's disgusting. And we can address that, that's a big thing in this country. What I was talking about not having the luxury of being like, and I'm not saying you're saying this.

• 1:14:12Adam Sosnick?

  I think you were talking about the politicians or the podcasters. But the luxury of this, my mom's a Democrat. My friends are Democrats. Like, people in my circle are Democrats. I have a lot of Republican friends, I have a lot of Democrat friends. What I'm trying to do is saying, when we say the other side, let's be specific to talk about what we mean, and I think that's what you meant. Because there's people in my life who go be like, dude, I like your show, but do you hate me? Because I'm a Democrat? I'm like, no, not, but you keep saying that I'm the devil and I'm evil. Like, no, bro, like, we're talking about this. So what I'm saying is, let's not conflate Democrats or liberals to the far-left woke mob and the politicians that represent them.

• 1:14:53Speaker 05

  But from what I've been seeing, it's not just the far, Adam. I'm seeing family members, I'm seeing people where the veil has come completely off, and it's not just a small little fringe of the far-left. Adam, a lot, I'm talking about a lot of these people are showing their true colors. And at the end of the day, and I've said this on other shows, what are they standing on? When you say the Democratic Party, what are their principles? What are their morals? What do they care about? Because if I'm just an outsider looking in, they're not, Adam, I'm not talking about like your mom Democrats that are nice and they're sweet and they're like, ah, I don't like what's happening. I'm talking about the majority of them. If God forbid something happens to Trump, they're going to cheer in the streets.

• 1:15:37Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:37Speaker 05

  They're cheering right now for Charlie. They're mad that the border is closed. Adam, when we're trying, when Trump or whoever is trying to save like unborn children, they're like, how dare you? It's my body, my choice, but when it comes to the vaccine, they're like, shut up, your body, it's our choice.

• 1:15:56Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:56Speaker 05

  The government's choice. We get to put in you whatever we want. So I understand, I'm not lumping them all together, but just a vibe, I want a vibe check of the other, what are they doing to calm, Adam? Because the margitarian Greens, the Donald Trumps, they didn't ask for this smoke. The moment this guy came in, it was you destroy him.

• 1:16:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, Trump. Well, let's, let's, Trump is who they vilified.

• 1:16:20Speaker 05

  But the whole.

• 1:16:20Tom Ellsworth?

  They didn't go after Marjorie Taylor Greene.

• 1:16:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, but Marjorie Taylor Greene is a soldier in the fight for, for Adam. Cause at the end of the day, yes, she's angry. They all have different walks of their life, of their faith, whatever. But Adam, how many times can our side get pushed and labeled? And guess what? We have the Stephen Millers and we have the people that are like, hey, enough is enough. And they're fighting with their voices, Adam. They're not sniping people. They're not burning down churches. They're not killing each other. They're not beating up and killing cops.

• 1:16:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Exactly.

• 1:16:47Speaker 05

  There's a whole difference.

• 1:16:48Tom Ellsworth?

  No, exactly. You're exactly right.

• 1:16:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to hear Tom. Go ahead, Tom.

• 1:16:50Tom Ellsworth?

  You're, you're exactly right. And, and you, this started for you brought up something. And what you brought up, you said, where was a Democrat or, or someone on the left that was willing to be there? Even in the audience or, or speaking.

• 1:17:04Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:17:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Right? Because Charlie was reaching across the aisle. You see what the, the, the note he sent to Van Jones was not unique. He reached out to many people like this. And so where were they? And you know what? What, what I marvel at? It's not Martin Luther King. It's the Reverend Martin Luther King. And he started and he was giving speeches in churches. And these sweet African-American people that were hoping that civil rights would bring things forward and improve things for them. Were in churches and their Sunday bests. And then they walked down streets and they were hit with water cannon and things like this. It started in churches and it started with faith and it started with peace. And when he said, I have a dream, what was the dream about?

• 1:17:49Tom Ellsworth?

  About little boys and little girls coming to the same place and coming to a point of understanding. Well, guess what? In 2006, Ann Coulter, who I'm not comparing to Martin Luther King. She's one of many commentators, but she wrote a book that captured it in 2006 called Godless, The Church of Liberalism. And it was so correct. That book is now 20 years old, but it is exactly on point with what's happened here. And you know what? You know what she needs? You know what Jasmine Crockett needs? She needs that there's no progress with civil rights. Because that is, I keep saying it, that's her blankie. She needs that. She needs to be angry about that. Because they need to be victims and victims need to take to the streets against your oppressors.

• 1:18:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And that's the reaction that they push for. And so we counter with love. And when I say the we, I'm saying the collective we, the people. That want to put faith as their foundation, reasonableness, dialogue as their foundation, and come out and say, "Let's have a conversation about this." They need civil rights to be, "Oh, it's going in reverse, it's danger." They have to have danger, danger, bad person, bad person, you know, go to the streets, overthrow, because liberalism is a victim-based, feeling-driven religion unto itself. And that's where it is. And so Stephen Miller is right, we've had enough of this. We can't have the victim this.

• 1:19:15Tom Ellsworth?

  We have to be we, the people, reaching out for all people, reaching across aisles. But Jasmine Crockett wants none of that. She wants the anger to continue. She needs the anger to continue, unfortunately. And I'm not commentating, this is by her own lips. This is by her own lips. And so Dana Bash, who's been hit, boy Dana Bash, if you're on a highlight reel for the last year, she's had some interviews where have gone really kind of weird, I'm not picking on her, but in this one, she kind of sat up and said, "Don't you feel that you have something here?" And was trying to do it, but guess what? There was no, "Well, look, I think there's some balance." There was none of that.

• 1:19:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so then I got a follow-up question for you. So George Soros, story comes out with Politico. Gave $10 million auto check for California for redistricting campaign. That's totally fine. You want to give money for that? Totally get it. Keep the state 48 to 4 when it comes on to Congress. Representatives, fine. However, the Daily Caller does a story saying explosive report alleges George Soros doled out $80 million to leftist group glorifying terrorism and violence. Okay, Rob, if you want to go to the story, I don't think you have a video on this, I'll just read the story and then I'll come back to you. And I have a question for all of you, okay? So, this is George Soros.

• 1:20:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Billionaire mega donor George Soros has funneled more than $80 million to organizations that praise terrorists or urge protect violence in America according to a new report by Capital Research Center, CRC. The report said that through his Open Society Foundation, they distributed tens of millions of dollars to groups that engage or endorse actions that meet the FBI's definition of domestic terrorism. So, again, let me read that. Has this distributed tens of millions of dollars to groups that engaged or endorse actions that meet the FBI's definition of domestic terrorism? The revelations come as authorities investigate left-wing organization for possible connection

• 1:21:22Patrick Bet-David?

  to the September 10th murder of Turning Point USA at Utah Valley University. Since 2020, Open Society Foundation has given $400,000 to the Center for Third World Organization, which boasts its throwdown with people in the streets during the George Floyd riots. CRC noted that CTWO, which is the Center for Third World Organization, has consolidated radical groups into its hub, including the Ruckus Society, whose founders and training materials endorse tactics that may be outside of the law. CRC says the network also includes the Blackout Collective, which co-authored a pro-Hamas guide that glorifies October 7th attacks and references a Ruckus Society manual promoting

• 1:22:06Patrick Bet-David?

  tactics like property, destruction, and blockades. Okay. You're following it so far, what's being said. The Open Society Foundation has provided $1.85 million to Dream Defenders and $18 million to Movement for Black Lives Matter, which collaborated with Blackout Collective to create the Pro Hamas Guide. According to CRC's report, Soros Foundation has given $200,000 to dissenters, author, co-author of the alleged Pro Hamas Guide. So, just a question for you, Tom.

• 1:22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this legal to be able to do so? And what are the laws of if I give money? And I'm actually really curious. Because Soros, his lawyers, you're gonna have good lawyers. And I'm just thinking from the lawyer, from his lawyer. I just give money. I don't know what they're gonna do with the money. My job is to just give money. We're just giving money. We give away to hundreds of charities. They happen to do something like this? We of course don't support something like this. But they did it. Tom?

• 1:23:10Tom Ellsworth?

  So it is illegal to incent violence? Number one.

• 1:23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Illegal.

• 1:23:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Illegal. It's illegal to incent violence.

• 1:23:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it illegal to give money to a charity that does?

• 1:23:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, now you've got the slippery slope. Oh, well, our intense title of our charity doesn't mean that we're using money to buy guns. Well, I think everybody knows what's going on here with Soros. There is a reason he's not welcome in his own home country. And he's exactly what he's doing. So the legality or illegality of that? It says, I think we are, that there is just a thin hairline between what he's doing and legality. But they are so careful the way they do it, from what jurisdiction and how they do it. I believe that some of the stuff is not legal because they're incenting violence very specifically.

• 1:24:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Very specifically. And I don't think that can possibly be legal under the constitutional framework about, within freedom of speech and not incenting violence. I don't see how it can be. But he's so careful, Pat. We've seen how they give it through the dark funds and through the backdoor and through the PACs that don't have to disclose where it comes from. And then you have, he allegedly gave 400 here. You know, we know what he's all about. And so I think he's guilty because we know what he's all about. He wants to go to globalism, where the world is controlled by socialist elites. That is his defined destination. He's very clear about that. And so therefore, how do you destabilize all these governments?

• 1:24:49Tom Ellsworth?

  You have to destabilize them. And what do you do with an election? I don't think so. You have to do it with violence. Wait, I've got an idea. What if I give money to district attorneys that won't prosecute people for violence? Now I can give to violence and make sure that there's limited penalties. So. I don't think, see how it can't be illegal. And I'd like to see somebody, you know, with some hair on their chest, and I don't mean that, you know.

• 1:25:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Middle Eastern.

• 1:25:17Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not being misogynist. I mean, somebody needs to muscle, someone needs to muscle up and stand up.

• 1:25:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Anybody though, doesn't have to be Middle Eastern. Somebody that has the brass is what you're saying. Hair on their chest.

• 1:25:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Some women, some women have hair on their chest these days. How about the guts and the courage, male or female, to walk to the podium and say, hang on a second, we're gonna investigate all these things, and this may, and this stuff may be illegal. And Mr. Soros, maybe not only can you not step foot in Hungary, maybe there's a day where you don't want to step foot in the United States because you don't want to get arrested. But the goal is globalism and social elite, run by social elites. And destabilization is the tool. And so, funding the people that cause this in the street.

• 1:26:03Speaker 05

  And you always wonder, like, the majority of the time, how many, all the roads to me, lead back to this guy. And guys, if you watch a movie, Rob, like a movie, and you're like, who's the bad guy? Rob, can you put that, zoom in on the one on the left? Like, look at the face. That's the face. When people are like, okay, who's?

• 1:26:21Tom Ellsworth?

  I would pick Klaus Schwab over him, but he's there.

• 1:26:23Speaker 05

  Klaus Schwab is bad, but that guy, but that, like, every time you figure out who's paying, who is giving this guy money, who is doing this? And these are the people that want to destroy the country, but you know what I don't want? They keep hinting. Trump was hinting at it. Trump got the tweet about Pam Bond, like, hey Pam, I'm getting messages from people that are saying, you're not going after all these people. And then he kind of is nice to her. We want accountability, and I keep hearing this guy's name. I keep hearing the destructive behavior, the giving the money, let's, let's call it spade a spade. It's, we know what he's doing. And we know, but Adam, we want to talk about hating America. That's the guy. That's the guy. And guess what? His son seems to me that he's gonna be carrying the torch when he's done. But that's the face.

• 1:27:07Patrick Bet-David?

  All I'm trying to find out is, so, you got the Crockett's, you got all these guys that are there, right? Okay. And then you got the guy from the top that's giving money. Like, you heard the one lady that was giving a speech, she said, "Well, Charlie one day came to me and she said, he wanted $50,000 to start it." I'm like, "You go raise half, I'll give you the other half." Within two days, he comes back saying, "I raised the 25, he gets the 25." And then now, we've given him millions of dollars, right? So, yes, there is people that you're gonna go and raise money with.

• 1:27:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Stacey Sheridan, I believe was her name.

• 1:27:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Rebecca Dunn.

• 1:27:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Rebecca Dunn.

• 1:27:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And people who give money, why do they give money?

• 1:27:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You give money to a charity either because you believe in the charity.

• 1:27:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:27:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You give money to a charity because you have certain things that you'd like to happen. Or you give money to a charity because you, you know, want to be involved in certain things that's gonna happen. You're gonna sit at this table, you're gonna be at this thing. Like, these are different kind of things that they're doing. I'm trying to find out, if somebody is giving this kind of money, that's leading to protesting and rioting, and destroying the streets, why don't we crack down on that, Tom? Why don't we crack down on the person that's funding all the protests and the riots that are taking place?

• 1:28:26Tom Ellsworth?

  I think the problem is, and I'd love to get a constitutional scholar here, and I can dive in even deeper. So, why was it important for Trump to call, remember when he called the cartels foreign terrorist organization, FTOs? Right, because now you're an enemy of the United States. Whose pen can now go after you?

• 1:28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Donald Trump.

• 1:28:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Donald Trump. Can he send helicopters over there with the cooperation of the foreign government to go, uh, blow up your drug lab?

• 1:28:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Your drug boat?

• 1:28:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Or, or, exactly, or maybe something on Mexican soil, if you had the cooperation. So, that's illegal, Pat, and you're an enemy of the United States. The problem is domestic terrorism, there is no, there is no, that I'm aware of, a legal way to say, "Well, you're a domestic terrorist," other than words. There's not a law that says domestic terrorism, you can't fund it. And then they say, "Well, I'm funding freedom of speech." And if some of them get out of hand and light a fire in the middle of the street and burn a flag, that's freedom of expression. So, Pat, they kind of hide behind it. I think there's a difference between foreign terrorist organizations, um, which we did with the cartels,

• 1:29:38Tom Ellsworth?

  and domestic terrorist organization. And I think that there's a caution, here's my speculation.

• 1:29:45Adam Sosnick?

  If I'm president and I'm on the right and I call you a domestic terrorist organization, now I can take action against you, I'm only six seconds from the next election.

• 1:29:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Totally.

• 1:29:58Adam Sosnick?

  And then him saying, "All conservative churches are now domestic terrorist organizations." And I don't think we want to put that law at the hand of a partisan pen because the pendulum will swing back and forth, like it has on this freedom of speech things, when the Democrats didn't go to boomerang safety training and are getting hit by the same boomerang they were throwing, asking to cancel Trump.

• 1:30:21Patrick Bet-David?

  So I ask this question, what if you give money to a charity that commits violence? If you go a little bit lower, there is an article, um, under US law, uh, 18 USC, and then it gives the whole details of what the number is. It's a crime to knowingly provide material support, money, training, and resources to a group that engages in terrorism or violence.

• 1:30:42Adam Sosnick?

  Knowingly, so you were right.

• 1:30:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's knowingly.

• 1:30:45Adam Sosnick?

  So he can play dumb.

• 1:30:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So then you have to, you have to, you have to prove knowingly, right? Material support includes donations, equipment, or even services. If a donor knows the organization commits or plans violence, they can face prosecution. Unknowing support, if you give to a large foundation, another charity, and you have no knowledge of what they're gonna be doing with it, you're not criminally liable. So this is the part where a good lawyer will defend you and say, "No, I didn't know that this was taking place." Because it's gonna continue happening.

• 1:31:17Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you.

• 1:31:18Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna continue happening. The fact that nothing happened this Sunday, I am so surprised. Whether you want to give credit, cops were everywhere, Secret Service everywhere, military everywhere, everywhere you went, you saw guys with the black glasses, everywhere. You looked left and right.

• 1:31:36Adam Sosnick?

  A lot of this, a lot of that, and earpieces.

• 1:31:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, thoughts on this?

• 1:31:38Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, George Soros and his whole organization needs to be looked into and hopefully, uh, held accountable, dismantled at the, at the most. Because, you know, and we can play this clip, Charlie Kirk talks about the difference between liberals and leftists, right? There's liberals, there's progressives, there's leftists, there's the far left, there's the radical left, then there's communists, then there's Marxists. I'll ask you where you think George Soros falls and who he contributes to, just like there's conservatives, just there's like the Republicans, and then there's white nationalists and KKK and the far right, you know? We, we gotta be careful with painting with broad strokes, but... If we're gonna label the KKK domestic terrorist and neo Nazis domestic terrorists,

• 1:32:21Adam Sosnick?

  what's the what's the left version of that Antifa, whatever Soros has contributed to? So let's not play this game of like, oh, I didn't know what I was good. You know exactly what you're doing. They all show up with the exact same sign, with the exact same protest, with the Free Palestine, with the BLM, and they want to see America burn and they want to take down the West. And we can't just sit here and capitulate and be like, freedom of speech, bro. He needs to be held accountable.

• 1:32:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, to me, I'm just trying to see if it's allowed and you keep doing it. Guess what? This is not gonna stop.

• 1:32:55Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:32:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But if they investigate and they see that there is intent and you know what's happening, then there's a different conversation. Tom, let's talk about the H1B visa.

• 1:33:04Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:33:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Were you gonna say something?

• 1:33:05Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I found I just quickly chat GPT this on an FTO's foreign terrorist organization. There is no domestic counterpart for a foreign terrorist organization. So it's not illegal to provide material support unless you know that violence is gonna take place. And there's no legal mechanism at any level, state congressional or executive, executive president, to define domestic terrorist organization. Applying a label would require a change in federal law related to First Amendment privileges.

• 1:33:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:33:37Adam Sosnick?

  So there it is. And by the way, if you change that, guess what? Every president, based on what sign they're on, could start defining his enemies.

• 1:33:46Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure. Enemies. Okay, so Trump imposes $100,000 fee on H1B visa applications. A lot of people are not happy. Okay. Some people in Mumbai, some people in Bombay.

• 1:34:00Adam Sosnick?

  All the people that video did with the video, yeah, those guys in the airplane video? Raj and all his homies.

• 1:34:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't want to upset your friends. I'm just reading a story, guys. I'm just.

• 1:34:09Adam Sosnick?

  Don't upset Tom today.

• 1:34:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So President Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive action on Friday that would impose $100,000 application fee for H1B visas. I've gotten so many mannequins because of this, of people that are upset with this. An effort to curb overuse of the program, a White House official told CNN, the executive action claim that abuse of H1B visa pathway.

• 1:34:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Has displaced US workers and will restrict entry under the program unless accompanied by payment. The official said the move marks the latest in a series of efforts from the administration to crack down on immigration and could significantly impact industries that could heavily depend on H1B workers. The H1B visa is a work visa that's valid for three years and can be renewed for another three years. Here's President Trump talking about it. Go ahead.

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• 1:35:59Speaker 20

  President, it seems like there's two categories with these programs. H1B, a lot of people believe take American jobs, and then the gold card and programs like EB5 that add value and jobs to America. Is that sort of how you look at the visa program?

• 1:36:11Speaker 12

  Well, ideally, look, if somebody's got the people, they're not going to want to spend $100,000, as an example, in your second category. So, it's not taking jobs. And we need certain jobs, we need certain skilled jobs that we don't have, but they won't be taking jobs because, you know, ideally, the people aren't going to want to...

• 1:36:29Speaker 20

  Oh, because they're not investing in America.

• 1:36:30Speaker 12

  Right, that's right.

• 1:36:31Speaker 20

  So, that's what I'm asking.

• 1:36:32Speaker 12

  They're really investing in America.

• 1:36:33Speaker 20

  You have two categories. One, the Secretary of Transit, the gold card, EB5, that create jobs, add investment, and then there's other ones that seem to take, you know, whether it's a J1, an O, or an H1B that take US jobs.

• 1:36:46Speaker 12

  Yeah, it's pretty correct. I would say that's a correct assessment. But the main thing is we're going to have great people coming in, and they're going to be paying. I mean, it's wonderful to say, oh gee, this is... We took in 25 million people.

• 1:37:02Speaker 12

  That, look, many criminals, jails were open for Venezuela, for many other countries, and they were let out of jail and poured into our country, our poor country, how it's suffered with this. You can pause it right there, Tom, thoughts?

• 1:37:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, so first let's break down what happened, and then let's find out why people are upset.

• 1:37:23Speaker 12

  Sure.

• 1:37:24Tom Ellsworth?

  And then Vinnie dug up something by a group called 4chan that they did in the middle of it, so let's get to that. Yeah, I want you to talk about that. That's a very good catch. So, first of all, what's happening? Inside the bill, the minimum wage that's payable is moving from one point to another, from $60,000 to $150,000. Well, what does that mean? Means that, hey, I'd like to get some engineers. I found some guys that went out of ITT, fantastic, you know, university in India, they'd like to come over here, I'm gonna pay them $70,000. I should be paying them $140,000, $150,000, $160,000. Why am I paying them 70?

• 1:38:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Because I'm saying, I'll give you the job if you'll work for 70. Now I got the engineer coming over here on an H1B. Well, guess who I didn't pay? I didn't pay Americans over here. And I mean, maybe Indian-Americans are over here on educational visas that are gonna convert that into a, you know, a work visa of some type, not necessarily an H1B. And it's, there are people over here, but guess what I just did? I lowered my cost of making software, didn't I? Of course you did. Because now I got all these people on H1Bs. So here's what Trump is saying, they're saying, if you have some incredibly special individual that you are willing to pay 150 to, and then also give the government 100, that's 250,

• 1:38:50Tom Ellsworth?

  for it's a super software architect, a super CTO, or a super person, guess what? The H1B program is here for you, and you may use it. If not, then let's stop lying to the camera about that the H1B is about diversity and opportunity. It's not. The, these people, primarily from India, and there's a lot of people reacting, have been taken advantage of for a long time. Let me tell you my personal moral authority on this. I went to hire people when I was in Southern California, running a company that had a large software lab, and guess what?

• 1:39:31Tom Ellsworth?

  People came to me and I interviewed some people and they said, "But, um, uh, I'm sorry, you know, the H1B, can you run it through this guy?" And I'm like, "What are you talking about?" And there is a legal organization where this gentleman had 10, and they were Indians, so I'm not picking on India, but they were, they were 10 Indian engineer from Hyderabad that were gonna come, that could work for me, but I have to pay the company. I found out the company was gonna take 20% of the paycheck. So not only was I gonna pay $80,000 for these people, 16,000 was gonna go to this guy standing in the middle, so they were really only gonna get 64,000. What nobody is talking about is the exploitation

• 1:40:14Tom Ellsworth?

  and the placement services that have been going on. By the way, that organization was based legally with the US business license. They were not criminals. They were in San Francisco, but when you look at it on paper, the absolute conclusion is that that individual who just wants a job is being taken advantage of. Number one. And number two, a kid like Mark Andreessen, I think, went to the University of Illinois-Champaign-Urbana. I think that's, I'm correct. So you have a modern day Mark Andreessen that comes out of there and doesn't get the job. Why? He's looking for 120, 130, because that's the price for the job. And so what Trump is saying, "If you really want them, you can have them, but it's gonna cost you 250, and enough with this..." Who's not happy with it? Who's not happy with it?

• 1:40:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Who's not happy with it is, is that, is the, a lot of people from India are upset because they saw this as an avenue to get to jobs, and they were accepting- Who in America's not happy with it? Not people in India? I'll tell you who's not happy with it.

• 1:41:13Adam Sosnick?

  His owners?

• 1:41:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, the CEOs that take advantage of this talent that are now in their CFO's office saying, "Okay, so let's go take a look at the development costs for next year. If we hire any H1Bs, we don't get them for 80 to 85,000. Now it's gonna cost us 250. We better be sure who we want." So they're upset because we just cut off the cheap labor. Because, Pat, it is fakery. It's absolute fakery. Silicon Valley and anybody in America-

• 1:41:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Not everybody. Organizations in Silicon Valley or in America that were, not everybody, not throwing everybody out, that were taking advantage of this to get cheaper labor than you would get by paying available labor here in the United States are about to see their costs go up, Pat, and that's why they're upset. And a lot of people say, well, you're targeting India. Well, not really, but we're not specifically targeting India like a trade situation. You know, but, but there have been a lot in India, but I'll say it now very clearly. They were being exploited paying a lower rate and the US companies were taking advantage of that with lower costs and they were taking advantage of this and there were

• 1:42:24Tom Ellsworth?

  great engineers in, in America of whatever background coming out of our, our schools that weren't getting opportunities for this because they were there. And guess who could take advantage of it most? The bigger companies that had the longer arms are able to lobby.

• 1:42:37Adam Sosnick?

  Your thoughts? Well, look, I think the average American doesn't know anything about H1B visas and this conversation came up, I want to say in Christmas. I thought it was a vaccine. I thought H1B1 was a vaccine. Gotcha. I was like, great, another booster? Great. You did it again, Vinnie. Uh, but this conversation really, uh, reached an inflection point. Steve Bannon versus Vivek Ramaswamy and then Elon Musk. And it's true, Tom's right, there are a lot of people that are exploiting this loophole, right? The conversation that you had, I thought was very impactful. What, were you on Will Kane's show, PBD? Yeah. I want to get your perspective on that, but, uh, there's legal immigration, there's a legal immigration. This is, we're talking about legal immigration, but, uh, we want

• 1:43:20Adam Sosnick?

  the best and brightest from all around the world. We want people who are contributing to America, but we don't want these people replacing Americans that can also do the job. And then there's that 50, 60, 80, $100,000, you know, in the middle that goes to the headhunters or the exploiters. Correct. The company. So I think at the end of the day, if we're going to have these people, they need to have a couple of different qualifications other than the hard skills. They need to love America, want to be in America. They don't, they, they, they should be able to stay in America because there's three-year increments. And then they need to pay their taxes, America, and keep their money in America. Because a lot of times they come here, they're paid low wages, they take away American jobs, but then they send their money out of the country. So this doesn't help anyone but the company that's doing

• 1:44:05Adam Sosnick?

  it and exploiting them. What are your thoughts, PBD?

• 1:44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, look, I, to me, it comes down to this. If this causes those jobs to be in America where we hire an American, that's what he promised. Very simple. It was part of his 47 promise, the 20 promises that he made for being a president. So if you like it, you don't like it, he's keeping his promise on what he's doing with it. How they're going about it, the one thing about President Trump guy, you know, with this one lady messaging him, saying, well, you know how this is gonna affect? This isn't just about engineers. What about the nurses? You know, there's a, what did she say? She said, by the way, she said something, it's actually very true.

• 1:44:46Speaker 05

  Was it the girl that I know as well?

• 1:44:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you know her as well. She used the word medical deserts. This is Hecca.

• 1:44:52Speaker 05

  Hecca, I love her.

• 1:44:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Medical deserts, yeah, she's amazing.

• 1:44:54Speaker 05

  We know.

• 1:44:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Medical, medical deserts, right? Where, Rob, can you pull up medical deserts? Just happen, medical deserts, Tom, I'm sure you're aware of what medical deserts are. Areas in America where we don't have enough. Go to images, if you can go to images, Rob. Where we don't have enough help and support. If you zoom out a little bit so we can show what this is. Number up, just go on the one, you were doing the right thing, yeah. Healthcare deserts, county by county, number of healthcare deserts. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, from the lowest to the highest, right? You see, there's some places where we don't have enough pharmacies, or primary care providers, or hospitals, or hospital beds, or trauma centers.

• 1:45:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And so the argument then becomes, you know, who does this affect? Does this affect the medical field? Does this affect what kind of healthcare we can provide to her? Cause maybe some nurses are coming from different places on H1B visas, maybe some people are coming. So that is the only part, but this is my trust in the administration. Do you guys remember when they came out with something and then they changed it immediately, immediately within days? What was it when he announced something? President Trump came up with something and they said, ah, you know what, we've thought about it.

• 1:46:10Speaker 05

  What was the topic?

• 1:46:11Patrick Bet-David?

  It was, um... It was what they were doing in California. And they were, they were getting rid of some workers. And they said, wait a minute, our farms are taking a hit. And we have to find a way to make it work. Do you remember that, Rob? I don't know what.

• 1:46:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, it was the foreign workers for deportation.

• 1:46:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, and it was kind of like, hey, because of this, we, we are, we are deciding to do this. Because that's what a CEO does. You come up with a new compensation plan. You come up with a new benefits package. You come up with something new. And then all of a sudden like, oh, it broke this. It broke that. It broke this. Like one time we got a health insurance, they come in, we're gonna be cheaper. We're gonna be this. We're gonna, this is awesome. And then all the, you know, guys are like phenomenon. You notice they didn't have a, what do you call it? When you have a kid, delivery, uh, uh, uh, Tom. When you have the benefit of where the insurance covers if you have a child.

• 1:47:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Maternity.

• 1:47:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Maternity, not maternity leave. It's a, the actual procedure when you go in, it's expensive, right? When you're at the hospital. This one insurance didn't cover that.

• 1:47:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, C-sections?

• 1:47:14Patrick Bet-David?

  No, just the fact. It's a regular delivery. Yeah, regular delivery. So one of our girls comes in, it's like, wait, do you know about this insurance that we got? What's that? You know, if I want to have a kid, the benefits better before, even though this is, let's just say 20% cheaper for, but it's not for somebody that wants to have kids. You know what? We gotta change it. To them, we want to change your health insurance again. So, so Trump is going to.

• 1:47:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, oh, oh, the coverage exclusion. That's right, that's right, that's right.

• 1:47:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, the Trump's, Trump's gonna see this and is gonna say, let's see how the market reacts. Let you calls us. All right, okay, so here there's a, this is who calling. They got a good point. Can we make that adjustment? Can we make the adjustment? Yes, and then boom, they take the next step. So I trust the fact that they'll be pivoting. But I do know this is a very sensitive issue to a lot of people. And I respect him. It was part of his promise to keep the jobs in America.

• 1:48:03Tom Ellsworth?

  And by the way, he made a micro pivot yesterday or Saturday where he said, hey, to be clear, that $100,000 will not apply, it should not apply, if you already have visas in motion, because you weren't planning for that.

• 1:48:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, I saw that, I saw that.

• 1:48:17Tom Ellsworth?

  So I don't want to, I don't want you to be pinched.

• 1:48:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:48:20Adam Sosnick?

  Pat, let me just give you a little bit of credit for what you just said, because I don't know if everybody caught that. That is such an important component of why Trump is a good president. Hear me out. As a CEO, because I see you, I have the, the, the honor of sitting next to you all the time and seeing these decisions, even on the plane yesterday, of not doubling down on bad decisions. I'm saying, you know what? We were wrong on that one. Guys, we're gonna cut, we're gonna stop that agenda. We're gonna actually cut off that show. We're gonna do whatever it is, and we're actually gonna pivot. A lot of politicians say, well, I made the announcement. I can't go back now. I keep my word, wink, wink, Gavin Newsom. But to reverse course and not double down on a dumb decision is so important for the leader of the country or the leader of a company. That, to me, is very important.

• 1:49:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, listen, that, you can't have it any other way if you're a businessman. You're not gonna make it. Your business is gonna be out of business, and, and there's not much you can do about it. Now, let's talk about what's going on with TikTok. Tom, TikTok's story is getting more and more, by the way, President Trump talked about TikTok with Charlie. Okay, Charlie was talking about TikTok's gonna play a very important role in how it helped the election. I think we gotta figure something out. So, Trump says Xi approved TikTok's deal in productive phone call, okay? And Rob, I think you got a video on this as well, if I'm not mistaken, on the TikTok deal. Is this the one? Yes. Go for it.

• 1:49:48Speaker 12

  I had a great call with President Xi, and as you know, he approved the TikTok deal, and we're in the process. We have some great investors, big, some of the biggest in the world, American investors, great people, and we look forward to getting that deal closed.

• 1:50:07Speaker 14

  Is it fully approved? The Chinese statements didn't necessarily indicate that.

• 1:50:10Speaker 12

  Well, I think, I think so. I mean, when you say fully approved, I don't know what that means. We have to get, we have to get it signed. I guess, uh, there could be a formality. I found his word to be very good. President Xi and I had a long talk. We talked for almost two hours.

• 1:50:23Speaker 21

  Wow.

• 1:50:24Speaker 12

  And it started at eight o'clock in the morning, and I think it was a very good talk. We talked about trade, we talked about war, we talked about a lot of things. We talked about Russia, Ukraine, obviously, and Gaza.

• 1:50:38Speaker 21

  Damn.

• 1:50:39Speaker 12

  Talked about a lot of subjects. It was a long call, it was a good call. We have a very good relationship.

• 1:50:44Patrick Bet-David?

  He's talking about going there next year.

• 1:50:45Speaker 12

  But, uh...

• 1:50:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he said possible visit next year. Tom, so as you're seeing this, I wanna say Larry Ellison is one of the folks that's behind the deal. Yep. Uh, and I wanna see that TikTok deal gives Americans six of the seven board seats, which is an eighty-seven percent. Uh, and I think, is this Caroline Levitt saying it? Go for it.

• 1:51:06Speaker 22

  This deal does put Americas first, and let me just be very clear. This deal means that TikTok will be majority owned by Americans in the United States. There will be seven seats on the board that controls the app in the United States, and six of those seats will be Americans. And the data and privacy will be led by one of America's greatest tech companies, Oracle, and the algorithm will also be controlled by America as well. So all of those details have already been agreed upon. Now we just need this deal to be signed, and that will be happening, I anticipate, in the coming days. Making some news there, so six of the seven seats will be American.

• 1:51:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what do you know about TikTok?

• 1:51:44Tom Ellsworth?

  So I dove into it a little bit. If all of those things that Ms. Levitt said come true, then this is good. So the problem is TikTok, we know, has data leakage in the back. When I say we know, it's like, I can't be absolute about this, but everyone talks about, hey, look, this is a Chinese app that there have been forensics done that is looking at other apps on your phone, doing things, and we think that's dangerous. We don't think that's very safe. And so that was the whole reason that the January 25, 2025 deadline was put on by Trump. Hey, we can't have this.

• 1:52:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, Oracle and Silver Lake are named as people. The deal's not done yet, but Oracle and Silver Lake is two of the very large, and Silver Lake's a large PE firm, the large organization there. Oracle gets the technical business on their servers. And then the comment they made, there's three elements to it. Six to seven board seats would be American, majority owned by America, and the algorithm controlled by America. That's the crazy part of this, is ByteDance algorithm to know whether it is...

• 1:53:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Promoting certain content to our young people or taking data and redirecting it elsewhere. Those things have to happen and apparently the responsibility is going to be with the board and Oracle. If that truly happens, then TikTok at the president's promise has been converted to an app that is safer in terms of the foreign intervention and then draw your own conclusions because you know, X is here in the US and their algorithms sometimes are a little odd. Facebook is in the US and their algorithms are sometimes a little odd. So just because the algorithms are controlled by Americans, Pat, doesn't mean that there might not be funny business in there.

• 1:53:45Tom Ellsworth?

  But this is good and this is part of a campaign promise. And this is the result of nine months of negotiations back and forth that goes back to that deadline that was January 25.

• 1:53:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you trust it?

• 1:53:57Tom Ellsworth?

  I trust, I trust Larry Ellison, but I want to see the final part of this deal.

• 1:54:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you trust that TikTok and China is not going to have any influence or control? Or even a backend access to the algorithms that they can use that we have to report to them?

• 1:54:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Not to be cynical, but if Z likes it and agrees to it, I probably still have a problem with it. I want Z to be very, wait a minute, this wasn't the deal. When you said in January you would do this, I, if he's reacting like that, then I'm going to say, okay, hey, hon, stay with that. I want that version of the contract.

• 1:54:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:33Tom Ellsworth?

  But if China's happy in any way, it does give me concerns.

• 1:54:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Adam.

• 1:54:39Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, shut down TikTok, straight up. Uh, I don't take hardline positions on much stuff. I tend to be pragmatic, moderate for right now. Uh, I don't see the benefit of keeping TikTok in this country whatsoever. I know they're talking about, you know, they've been doing extensions and Larry Ellison, who has, I have immense respect for. Uh, and board seats and the algorithm, the data. Where's the data going? In my opinion, TikTok is a national security concern. It is a propaganda mouthpiece of the CCP. And what do we get for it? Free speech? Yeah. I've been permanently banned from TikTok because I posted a video of me interviewing Nick Fuentes

• 1:55:23Adam Sosnick?

  and not being like, "Yeah, Nick, I hate everybody you do." I say, "I'm pushing Nick Fuentes." So they're going to ban me from interviewing a conversation I had. We talk about, "Hey, how do you not get shadow banned on YouTube or whatever?" It's by actually not agreeing with maybe bombastic, wild takes and pushing them? Not on TikTok. They will just ban you for nothing. So, social media, China, forgive me. I do not see daylight there. Show me one American app that is legal in China. I'll wait.

• 1:55:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, I like the poll you just ran. Rob ran a poll. What percentage of you support the ban of Adam on TikTok? 99%.

• 1:56:05Speaker 05

  99.

• 1:56:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Said they side with Xi and China.

• 1:56:08Adam Sosnick?

  Well, that's typical American these days. Siding with Xi and China and Putin and all our enemies. I'm not a real American.

• 1:56:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But I will tell you.

• 1:56:17Tom Ellsworth?

  I wasn't aware I agreed with Xi on anything.

• 1:56:19Patrick Bet-David?

  When we had Charlie Kirk and Chris Cuomo on the podcast, Charlie broke down that he reached out to TikTok and asked them, "What do you want?" Because I'm going to be driving TikTok. And I don't know how many videos he did that got over 30 million views, but he crushed TikTok's algorithms and it helped.

• 1:56:47Adam Sosnick?

  It helped them win.

• 1:56:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Helped them win. So I don't know where it's going to go here. Here's President talking about a very interesting person that's going to have control that some may or may not like it. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:56:59Speaker 12

  A tremendous amount of money. Billions? I'd rather have them, you know, they're very well-known people. And Larry Ellison's one of them. He's involved. He's a great guy. Michael Dell is involved. I hate to tell you this, but a man named Lachlan is involved. You know who Lachlan is? That's a very unusual name, Lachlan Murdoch. Mr. Murdoch. I believe.

• 1:57:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you better, boy. You better use Mr. Boy. That's his boss. Funny. He's so funny. So Lachlan Murdoch's role is what, Rob?

• 1:57:35Speaker 06

  Uh, he's got, they're saying he may be a board member as well as Michael Dell from Dell Computers.

• 1:57:39Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, all right. I like, I like, uh, let's see what happens. What do you think we should do with TikTok? I remember you did a whole experiment on TikTok. Listen. Break it down. Owned by them? Yeah, I, by the way, I did the experiment and then they adjusted my algorithm. They're like, oh, he's on to us. Yeah, they adjusted my algorithms afterwards, but no, I think if it's gonna be owned, controlled here and, and no ties of reporting back and to them, and that's a hundred percent clear, then I'm a little bit more comfortable with it. You trust China? Would you? How much you think I trust China? I don't know. We did a poll here right now. Ninety-nine percent of our audience agrees with you on this one. I trust what our audience has decided to, that sided with them to ban you on TikTok because

• 1:58:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it's better for mental clarity, but other than that, you know, it's, it's a different story. All right, so let's go into a city, uh, uh, let me see if I'm gonna go to this one.

• 1:58:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, this one. I'm really curious to know what some of you guys will say about this. So Jimmy Kimmel, all right, Jimmy Jimmy.

• 1:58:42Adam Sosnick?

  Jimmy Jimmy.

• 1:58:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So, uh, Jimmy Kimmel is in talks with Disney to negotiate return of late night show, okay? So what that call is like and talk is like, who knows? But he is having to talk. So during talks on late night, according to a report, comedian, business and legal representatives are in deep discussions with Disney and ABC, trying to ammar out a compromise that would allow Jimmy Kimmel Live to resume his twenty-third season. Insider told Vanity Fair, whether the sparring parties are close to any resolution is unknown. Leaving Kimmel and his show in limbo following defensive comments he made this week about the slaughter of Charlie Kirk, Kimmel is reportedly concerned

• 1:59:27Patrick Bet-David?

  about what a permanent cancellation would look like for his crew in L.A. who work on the show, many of whom are still digging themselves out of a financial hole caused by the active strike in 2023. Neither Kimmel's team nor Disney immediately responded to the post. So that's that part now. Aside from that, you get a message from the former CEO of Disney, Michael Eisner. Michael Eisner blasts current leadership, which a guy named Bob Iger is there, over how they handle Jimmy Kimmel's controversy. Now you gotta know, there's a little bit of back and forth with Michael Eisner and Bob Iger, because Michael Eisner sometimes felt like Bob Iger came and took over his job.

• 2:00:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and if you know the story, you know, Bob has been at ABC. He started off at ABC, worked all the way up from 40 plus years ago. Bob's been at Disney. Rob, can you find out how long has Bob Iger been at Disney? And ABC, how many years? It'll kind of tell you, so you need to know that. It's what I, what I'm saying is, I think it's 40 years is what it's been. 35 plus years is how long he's been there. Yeah, I was wrong, 41 years he's been there, okay? So there you go. So, okay. So, Michael Eisner blasted the company's current leadership of Jimmy Kimmel's dissonance and dissonance suspension. Eisner lashed out at FCC's chairman Brandon Carr for using out of control intimidation to bully ABC into suspending the committee on late night show. He also appeared to take a jab at his successor, Bob Iger,

• 2:00:55Patrick Bet-David?

  and questioned why leaders were not fighting against this supposed government pressure. Eisner asked on X, where was all the leadership gone? Where has all the leadership gone? If not for university presidents, uh, where's that at, Rob? If not for university presidents, law firms, management partners, corporate chief executive standing up against bullies, who then will step up for the First Amendment? The suspending indefinitely of Jimmy Kimmel immediately after the chairman of FCC aggressively, yet hollow threatening of the Disney company is yet another example of out of control intimidation. Maybe the Constitution should have said, Congress shall make no laws abiding the freedom of speech or of the press, except in one political or financial self-interest.

• 2:01:35Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, for the record, this ex-CEO finds Jimmy Kimmel very talented and very funny. Okay.

• 2:01:42Adam Sosnick?

  Well, this ex-CEO would be completely wrong, respectfully, Michael Eisner.

• 2:01:46Speaker 05

  Anybody that says very talented and funny is absolutely, I, all that message goes out the window when you say that at the end, but go ahead.

• 2:01:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So in this, in this thing, Michael Eisner is eloquently finding a way to call out both Iger and call out Trump at the same time. So he got two things done and was able to give credit to Jimmy. To make sure, oh my God, you know, Jimmy's gonna be like, well, Michael Eisner's on my side. So he's not really helping. Nothing about this comment, believe it or not, helps. Tom, your thoughts?

• 2:02:18Tom Ellsworth?

  So, first of all, here you have Eisner, who is a legend of corporate leadership. Tremendous CEO that had to make the hard calls, wasn't always liked by everybody in this organization. But when you look at the expansion of Disney and you look at the deals he made and you look at the share price, Michael Eisner gets a very, very good report card. Now, he comes out of, remember, he's a leader. He speaks like this. So Pat, I wonder if there's part of him that just can't help himself, saying, watching his old company and everything go through this, he's like, I, I can't, I, uh, I can't do this. I'm gonna speak up, right? It's, it's like-

• 2:02:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But Tom, do you see this as leadership? You take this as leadership? What is he speaking up against? He's speaking, the way I interpret it, again, English is my fifth language, but the way I interpret this is, if I was there, I would have called Brandon Carr of the FCC, I think that's his name, and I would have made sure, you can never make a threat like that to Disney. I would have kept Jimmy Kimmel, and Bob Iger sucks. That's how I interpret this tweet. Am I wrong?

• 2:03:25Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not saying he's right. I'm saying that his legacy, I outlined, and then I don't think he can help himself and he goes and says this, and he's jumping into the middle of it. There are, there are five things that I think, that I think are true. Number one, it wasn't a freedom of speech issue. And the fact that these people can go talk to the media after it's all done and criticize the president, proves they still have freedom of speech.

• 2:03:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly.

• 2:03:52Tom Ellsworth?

  They're not, they're not in a jail cell with stitches on their foreheads. Okay? Second, it was an employee behavior issue. And there were things going on there, and Jimmy Kimmel got out of line, and Jimmy Kimmel didn't listen to the boss, and he got himself suspended, and advertisers, and things. So it was a company decision, not a freedom of speech. But they have to make it a freedom of speech issue, make about Trump. Number three, that is true, hypocrisy. He says, "You look back, the same language that was in the public square, they were applauding that same language to get rid of Trump when Rosie O'Donnell got canceled. AOC went and did a very tender, you know, statement when Tucker was off the air."

• 2:04:35Tom Ellsworth?

  So the hypocrisy the other way just shows that apparently when HR sent the email about boomerang safety training, they didn't go. And now here the boomerang has come back, bonk, and here you have it. Number four. Number four thing is, I think Eisner can't, with his legacy and everything, Pat, you can't parachute back in like this. I don't think it's helpful. I respect him, you respect his history and everything, but parachuting back in, there is something that, remember that Bush said that other people didn't. Bush said, "I'm not here to criticize my predecessor." And when he left the White House, he said, "Look, I'm not going to jump into certain debates here. I may comment on things, but

• 2:05:17Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm just going to leave it alone." Whereas Obama chose to blame, blame, blame, as did Biden. And so I think right here, I don't know that if I was Michael with my legacy and everything, I would have jumped in like that, said if I'd have been there, these things would have happened. You don't know that. You don't know what everything was in front of them. You don't know about, I'm sure he's getting leaks on it, but I don't think with his background, I mean, a Hall of Fame baseball player shouldn't jump in and criticize the modern players. You should say, "I don't know about that, you know, that seems odd to me," but directly jumping in and saying, "If I had been there, I would have got the hit in the bottom of the ninth, we would have won the World Series." Adam.

• 2:05:55Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I have a special place in my heart for Disney because I've told the story that this was the first stock I ever owned. My grandma bought me 10 shares when I was a kid, and look at me now. But I would argue that Bob Iger, not Michael Eisner, Bob Iger's the best CEO Disney's ever had. So, you know, Tom over there always talks about words, talk, number, scream. Look at, go to the max for Disney if you can pull up their stock price. So, follow the numbers here. Scroll down, Rob, so you see the years at the bottom. Michael Eisner was the CEO, I believe, from the early 80s to 2005. So, look at the growth. It's up, but it's not massive.

• 2:06:35Adam Sosnick?

  Bob Iger takes over and I believe 2005 and boom, it goes off and it reaches its apex right as COVID basically hit and then he stepped down in 2022, I believe. And then they believe in, what was the CEO they brought in? It was another Bob, Bob Chapek, I believe.

• 2:06:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:56Adam Sosnick?

  And

• 2:06:56Patrick Bet-David?

  For an hour and a half?

• 2:06:57Adam Sosnick?

  For like two or three years and go woke, go broke. And I'm not pinning this on him. They're like, nah, bruh, you gots to go. And then they brought back in Iger. So a lot of what happened with Disney, a lot of the productions they had in place were place blame on Bob Iger. But if you look at the, the stock price now, it's actually trending upward again since it basically reached its lows during COVID. So what's the point here? Uh, Bob Iger has been the best leader there. I think Disney, Disney trusts his judgment. As far as Jimmy Kimmel goes, guys, let's come on. Nobody finds Jimmy Kimmel funny. Nobody finds him talented. I get that he's a mouthpiece of the left. I get that he's been on there for 20 years now and he's, this is darling. But stop it, guys.

• 2:07:42Adam Sosnick?

  This isn't a free speech issue. They're hemorrhaging money. They're losing an audience. The, the writing's on the wall and they were looking for something to say, how do we get rid of this guy? That's my opinion.

• 2:07:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So

• 2:07:53Adam Sosnick?

  And they did it with

• 2:07:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do that. I like what direction you went. When Bob, Michael Eisner took over, Disney was worth $2 billion as CEO. Just so you know that. And he took it from $2 billion to $60 billion.

• 2:08:05Adam Sosnick?

  Wow.

• 2:08:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He 30xed. When Bob Iger took over, this is Michael Eisner. When Bob Iger took over, it was worth roughly 50 or 60 billion dollars. And now it's worth 250, whatever the number is, 230. So he 4x'd, 5x'd the company. So Michael Eisner does get a lot of credit to the people that are in the Disney world. I don't know what he's doing here. I don't think he gets anything done here. I'm a fan of Iger. I've read his book. I like the story. I like what he did. Politically, we know what he's at. At one point he was thinking about running for president when he was talking to, uh, was he talking to Rupert or Roger Ailes? One of the guys he was talking to where he had interest of running for president. At the time he was 60 years old. How old is he right now?

• 2:08:48Adam Sosnick?

  74.

• 2:08:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he was 60 years old at the time. Uh, he was involved with all the Rahm Emanuel and all these guys, you know? He was, he was one of those guys. And this guy's got the swagger of somebody for running. So. I just think the last five years have been one after another shitty decision. And I think the transition didn't work, the co-CEO didn't work. And I think a lot of people are even saying it's Bob making the decision, but it's not fully Bob making a decision. Isn't the Sinclair network, they're like, we just don't want this show on if he's gonna be doing this, right? So it's not like, so what are you talking about? But they're right to say. They're right to say, and then Bob's gotta make a decision and say, hey, can you go to an apologist? No, I'm not gonna apologize. What the hell you want me to do with this talent?

• 2:09:31Patrick Bet-David?

  As a matter of fact, tonight, I'm gonna go back on the air and be worse. You're calling out your president, the CEO of the company publicly and saying, screw you, buddy. I'm sorry. I mean, that's just not how business works. So no, this has got nothing to do with the FCC stuff. And no, it's got nothing to do with Trump. It's got to now, let me, you hear some of these stories, we're thinking about taking away the license. I think that's, this is where now you're adding, when Trump says stuff like that, you're giving the other side ammunition to come back with a bunch of other things to say. But that's where I'm at with the story. We'll see what happens here. One last story before we wrap up. What story do you guys wanna hit? Tell me any one story, I'll go to it before I wrap up, because we got something interesting that just happened that I gotta go, go get to very quickly. Interesting is not bad.

• 2:10:14Speaker 05

  Do I need to get involved?

• 2:10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're good.

• 2:10:16Speaker 05

  Because I will.

• 2:10:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't tell you what we're doing. I can't tell you who we're gonna hurt, but I need you to.

• 2:10:22Speaker 05

  Which car are we taking? Which car are we taking? Yeah, whose car are we taking? I'm with you.

• 2:10:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so which one do we want? We're going to Liberty City. Can you drive? Okay, so if you guys got no stories? What do you wanna do with that? You guys had something very interesting here, going back and forth. I won't do any stories. What we will do is we'll cover all these stories on the next podcast. Today's what? Monday? Is today Monday, Rob?

• 2:10:43Speaker 06

  Yes, sir.

• 2:10:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Today's Monday.

• 2:10:44Speaker 05

  I don't even know who we are.

• 2:10:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Wednesday, we'll have a pod. Something interesting may come up tomorrow.

• 2:10:49Speaker 06

  Something will, at 9 a.m. tomorrow.

• 2:10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, fantastic.

• 2:10:52Speaker 05

  Oh, tomorrow's something special.

• 2:10:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, stay tuned, guys. God bless everybody. What is it? Faith over fear.

• 2:10:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Faith over fear.

• 2:10:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. 1500 already sold Faith Over Fear. I freaking love that people are that bold enough to do that. Turn around.

• 2:11:08Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way, turn around, Vinnie. Yeah, take your pants off. Come on, baby. We love you. By the way, ladies and gentlemen, I'll be your fashion coordinator. You need the Faith Over Fear t-shirt to go with your Angry Patriot hoodie. So you are equipped to go out and support Vinnie and his passion for America.

• 2:11:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That was great, Tom. Actually, that sold 1500 shirts. Guys, take care. God bless. Bye bye.

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