178: The Power and Cost of Extreme Obedience. The Code of The Kamikaze Pilot.

0:00:00 - Opening: Letters from Kamikaze pilots / The Code. 1:05:45 - Final thoughts and take-aways. 1:27:56 - Support: How to stay on THE PATH. 1:48:18 - Closing Gratitude. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is Jocko Podcast number 178 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening.

• 0:10Jocko Willink?

  Honorable Mother and Father.

• 0:14Jocko Willink?

  The difficulty of the journey you made to see me was clearly evident in your disheveled hair and in the hollows under your eyes.

• 0:26Jocko Willink?

  It made me want to bend my knees and worship before you.

• 0:32Jocko Willink?

  In the wrinkles on your brows was vivid testimony of the pains you took to raise me.

• 0:39Jocko Willink?

  Words could not express my feelings and what little I did say was superficial in the extreme.

• 0:49Jocko Willink?

  Yet although acutely conscious of how little time we had, I saw in your eyes and in your gaze, all you wanted to say, but couldn't.

• 1:00Jocko Willink?

  When you took my hand, I experienced a sense of profound peacefulness unlike anything I have experienced since joining up, like being a baby again and longing for the warmth of a mother's love.

• 1:15Jocko Willink?

  It is because I bask in the beauty of your deep devotion that I can martyr myself for you. For in death, I will sleep in the world of your love.

• 1:31Jocko Willink?

  Honorable Mother.

• 1:34Jocko Willink?

  Even if I was never able to fully accept the love you gave me, I received so much wisdom from you.

• 1:42Jocko Willink?

  And Father, your silent words are carved deeply into my heart.

• 1:50Jocko Willink?

  With this, I will be able to fight together with both of you. Even if I should die, it will be with a peaceful spirit.

• 2:01Jocko Willink?

  I mean this with all my heart.

• 2:04Jocko Willink?

  The war zone is where these beautiful emotions are put to the test.

• 2:11Jocko Willink?

  If death means a return to this world of love, there is no need for me to fear.

• 2:18Jocko Willink?

  There is nothing left to do but press on and fulfill my duty.

• 2:29Jocko Willink?

  And that is the final letter written by a man named Captain Adachi Takoya. It was written, obviously, to his parents, and he was assigned to Kamikaze Special Attack Group Number One.

• 2:52Jocko Willink?

  And he did carry out his mission.

• 2:55Jocko Willink?

  A suicide attack on one of the US Navy vessels in the vicinity of Okinawa on the 28th of April 1945. He was 23 years old, which is actually pretty old for a kamikaze.

• 3:12Jocko Willink?

  Here's another last letter home.

• 3:16Jocko Willink?

  This one's from Enson Kyoshi Ogawa. "Father and Mother, it has been decided that I also will make a sortie as a proud Special Attack Corps member. Looking back, when I think of your raising me in your arms for more than 20 years, I am filled with a sense of gratitude. I truly believe that no one else has lived a happier life than me, and I am resolved to repay the Emperor and my father for your kindness.

• 3:49Jocko Willink?

  Beyond those boundless white clouds, I will make my attack with a calm feeling. Not even thoughts of life and death will come to my mind. A person dies once. It will be an honorable day to live for the eternal cause.

• 4:10Jocko Willink?

  Father and Mother, please be glad for me.

• 4:17Jocko Willink?

  Above all, Mother, please take care of your health, and I wish for everyone's prosperity.

• 4:26Jocko Willink?

  Father and Mother, I always and forever will be living near you and will be praying.

• 4:35Jocko Willink?

  I will go smiling, both on the day of my sortie and forever."

• 4:45Jocko Willink?

  And Ensign Ogawa was the pilot pilot of the second plane to hit the USS Bunker Hill.

• 4:55Jocko Willink?

  And that kamikaze attack killed 393 and wounded 264. And took the aircraft carrier out of commission for the duration of the war.

• 5:10Jocko Willink?

  Most of the kamikazes were young. They were sometimes 17, but usually 18, 19, maybe 20 years old.

• 5:21Jocko Willink?

  They all wrote final letters home. The letters generally spoke of their commitment to the emperor, their commitment to Japan, their commitment to their parents. And it's actually, there's, there's, there's a lot of these letters. There's thousands of them. And it's, it's actually when you sit there and read them. It's actually kind of sickening to read these letters. These young boys, they're,

• 5:51Jocko Willink?

  they're brainwashed. And I know some people find some,

• 5:56Jocko Willink?

  some level of honor in the kamikaze pilots, you know, they sacrificed for their country. They, they put service above themselves for their emperor.

• 6:09Jocko Willink?

  I have a hard time with that.

• 6:14Jocko Willink?

  These are kids, right? These are pawns. And, and actually they weren't even that effective. They had a hit ratio of about 14%.

• 6:29Jocko Willink?

  They, there was 2,800 kamikaze pilots that were killed. And they killed about 4,900 sailors, US Navy sailors.

• 6:42Jocko Willink?

  And God bless all those brave sailors. Every one of those losses and deaths is a tragedy. And the US Navy in World War II and the Navy in general in World War II was a nightmare.

• 7:00Jocko Willink?

  And the kamikaze sank 34 ships, which is, which is horrible, but it actually wasn't a game changer.

• 7:12Jocko Willink?

  But these suicide bombers, you know, you gotta think about how they ended up in that situation. And I don't like suicide bombers at all. And I, I guess I have a bias against suicide bombers. Fine, there was a lot of suicide bombers in Ramadi. And some people, like I said, some people try and glorify a suicide bomber, whether it's a kamikaze or whether it's a modern day suicide bomber, and they try and glorify them. But there's no glory. The, the modern suicide bombers are either cowards that are afraid to face their enemies in battle.

• 7:55Jocko Willink?

  And what's really sad is that's, that's, that's rare. More than likely, the modern suicide bomber that you're dealing with is an actual victim himself, who is, you know, usually a young kid, been manipulated and lied to and, and, or,

• 8:15Jocko Willink?

  or I should say also coerced through threats. And that's, that happened all the time. It was like, hey, if you don't carry out this suicide mission, we're going to kill your family.

• 8:26Jocko Willink?

  And so you might as well, you might as well do it.

• 8:31Jocko Willink?

  So that's what you're dealing with.

• 8:34Jocko Willink?

  But some of them, you know, sometimes people just get straight up brainwashed. And it's the same thing with the Japanese kamikazes.

• 8:42Jocko Willink?

  I would say a lot less on the coercion side.

• 8:49Jocko Willink?

  You know, like, like it wasn't like they were holding their family, but they did a great job of, of brainwashing this, these kids.

• 8:59Jocko Willink?

  And I'm no expert. I should have said that straight out of the gate. I'm just giving you my opinion, my, my thoughts about it. There's some Japanese documents that I think paint a pretty clear picture of kind of the, the, the foundation of what the Japanese military was taught. And it's why they were, why they fought to the death. And there's a lot of propaganda that you can look at too. The propaganda that, you know, explains Americans as these evil people that were going to come and rape their women and it was better to die. So there's that, but

• 9:40Jocko Willink?

  there's, there's a more foundational thing, I think, that, that was printed in World War II. And it was called the Imperial Rescript to Soldiers and Sailors, Sailors. And a rescript is like an official guidance. It's like this is the word from the boss. And it included in it something called the Senjikan, which, which meant instructions for the battlefield. And what's weird about this document is it's got a lot of really, a lot of stuff in it that when you hear it, it sounds, for lack of a better word, it sounds good. It's the kind of thing

• 10:24Jocko Willink?

  that you think, oh, wow, that's, that's, that's honorable. That's good. It's very idealistic. And, and I think if this document, this Imperial Rescript to Soldiers and Sailors, if it actually would have been followed, the, a lot of the problems, a lot of the atrocities that were committed, wouldn't have happened. Cause the document, as you're gonna hear, is a, is a,

• 10:52Jocko Willink?

  it's a fairly positive document.

• 10:58Jocko Willink?

  And I think sometimes people take and they hold up that attitude, that kind of Bushido attitude, and hold it up on a pedestal. And like I said, I get it because when you, when you look at it on its own, you think, wow, this is, this is a good thing. This is a positive

• 11:20Jocko Willink?

  But what you can't forget is that it's this attitude of this attitude and this culture of extreme obedience, right? Extreme obedience. I talk all the time about how you've got to question your leaders, right? And I talk all the time how if you're told to do something that's unethical, or illegal, or immoral, it is your obligation and your duty to disobey. So they didn't have that attitude. Their attitude was 100% obedience. They also had the strong attitude of ethnic superiority. So they, the Japanese people, thought that their

• 12:04Jocko Willink?

  race and their ethnicity was superior to everyone else's. And that attitude led to things like these kamikaze pilots, and it led to atrocities, like the Rape and Nanking, and like Unit 731. Just horror, horror show atrocities with the darkest evil imaginable. And Podcast 60, Rape and Nanking, Podcast 133, Unit 731.

• 12:44Jocko Willink?

  If you listen to those, you don't, you can't listen to those and feel normal when you're done listening to it. You can't. They're disturbing to listen to when you see how evil human beings can be to other human beings. So, like I said, when you hear this Imperial Rescript, it sounds positive. A lot of it sounds good, but first of all, it wasn't followed.

• 13:22Jocko Willink?

  Because some of the positive parts of the code, they clearly did not listen to. And then other parts of the code.

• 13:32Jocko Willink?

  That are positive, like anything that's positive, if you let it go too far, then it becomes a negative. And that's seems to me what happened.

• 13:43Jocko Willink?

  At least in some sense in Imperial Japan.

• 13:47Jocko Willink?

  So I think this document kind of reveals how they framed their mindset. And there's, like I said, there's lessons in here to learn and think about. Things that you can take away that you say, hmm, that's a good policy.

• 14:04Jocko Willink?

  But

• 14:06Jocko Willink?

  you can also see that when it's taken to the extreme, it becomes the framework for Imperial Japan to become the sadistic evil that they originally believed they were fighting against. So let's get into it. The Imperial rescript to soldiers and sailors. Sailors. Here we go. Introduction. The battle is where the Imperial Army, acting under the Imperial command, displays its true character, conquering. Whenever it attacks, winning whenever it engages in combat in order to spread kodo. And so kodo is the Imperial way. That's what it means. And that's the, that's how they describe it. But what's interesting is it,

• 14:51Jocko Willink?

  it literally means like a fragrance, like a smell. So it's like the scent, the spirit, the heartbeat. So that's what kodo is. They want to spread the kodo far and wide so that the enemy may look up in awe to the august virtues of His Majesty. Those who march to the battlefield therefore should endeavor to exalt throughout the world, the glories of the empire by fully realizing what the country stands for and firmly upholding the moral tenets of the Imperial Army. The Imperial rescript to the armed forces is explicit. While regulations and manuals clearly define conduct in combat and methods of training,

• 15:33Jocko Willink?

  conditions in the combat zone, however, tend to cause soldiers to be swayed by immediate events and become forgetful of their duty. Indeed, they should be wary.

• 15:46Jocko Willink?

  Indeed, they should be wary there lest they run counter to their duties as soldiers. The purpose of this code lies in providing concrete rules of conduct in the light of past experience, so that those in the zone of combat may wholly abide by the Imperial Rescript to enhance the moral virtues of the Imperial Army.

• 16:10Jocko Willink?

  So, hey, combat's gonna be tough.

• 16:14Jocko Willink?

  And you may forget your morals, that they're talking about moral virtues. And so, we're saying, hey, combat's gonna be hard. It's gonna be chaotic. And when you get in that tough situation, you may forget your morals. And so, this guide right here is gonna help you, keep you on track. That's what it's gonna do. That's the idea here. Chapter 1. The Empire. Japan is the Kokoku, which means the Empire.

• 16:45Jocko Willink?

  The Tenno, which is the Emperor of Japan, rules over it everlastingly in a line unbroken through the ages as the successor in the high and broad cause established by the Imperial Ancestor at the time of the founding of the Empire.

• 17:01Jocko Willink?

  Imperial benevolence is extended to all without favor, while the Imperial virtues enlighten the world. The people, too, handing down from traditions of loyalty, filial piety, and valor from generation to generation, and enhancing thereby their moral peculiar to the Empire, have assisted the throne. A perfect national unity under the throne, which has brought about the present national prosperity. So, they go that this, this goes back to like a racial thing, right?

• 17:40Jocko Willink?

  Hey, this, this is an unbroken, unbroken line of royalty for thousands of years. And, and that's why we're here.

• 17:53Jocko Willink?

  And they've been so benevolent, that's why we're living a good life right now. Soldiers on the field should seek to achieve with unshakable determination their mission of defending the Empire by laying to heart the essential character of the national policy.

• 18:09Jocko Willink?

  The army, under command of the emperor, assists in furthering the imperial fortunes by enhancing the glories of the empire through the embodiment of the lofty spirit of valor. This spirit is the basic factor in realizing universal peace. We're fighting for peace over here. That's what we're doing. For it is this spirit of justice combined with valor and of valor tempered by benevolence in conformity with the imperial wishes. So this is all good, right? That's where we're at. This is all good. This is a benevolent leader. You've got the, the, the spirit of the army is actually just the reflection,

• 18:52Jocko Willink?

  the arm of this benevolence that's going to go out and bring the spirit of peace to the world. Valor, but then we get into it a little bit. Valor requires strictness, while benevolence must be universal. Should there be an enemy who dares oppose the imperial army, the army must resolutely resort to force of arms and deal him a crushing blow. We took a little 180 there, didn't we? Hey, we're all about getting our peace on. But if you oppose, if you dare to oppose the imperial army, you're going to get a crushing blow. That's how we're rolling. However, even though force may compel the enemy to submit,

• 19:32Jocko Willink?

  should a lapse of virtue, should a lapse in virtue occur by the striking of those who do not resist or by failure to show kindness to those who surrender, it cannot be said that such an army is perfect. So there we got, we got, we're going to take care of the people that, if you surrender, you're good. If you don't resist, you won't be harmed, right? So we're like a benevolent army. If you stand up to us, we're going to crush you, but if not, it's cool. We're going to, we're going to take care of you.

• 20:02Jocko Willink?

  Here's modest in its strength, unostentatious in its kindness. The imperial army becomes an object of admiration when it quietly displays its valor and benevolence. So here we are. You know what's saying here? Got to be humble. I say that all the time. Got to be humble. That's what they're saying. You gotta be modest.

• 20:25Jocko Willink?

  You gotta, you gotta quietly display your strength, right? Sure. Just be modest. We, we agree with that. The mission of the Imperial Army lies in making the Imperial virtues the objects of universal admiration through the exercise of justice tempered with mercy.

• 20:47Jocko Willink?

  Obviously, the folks in Nanking did not get this message.

• 20:54Jocko Willink?

  Discipline.

• 20:56Jocko Willink?

  And actually, they truly didn't because if this didn't, this wasn't released when the rape in Nanking took place. This hadn't come out yet. So, they, they truly did not get the memo of this at that time. Discipline. The essence of discipline in the Imperial Army lies in the lofty spirit of complete obedience to His Majesty.

• 21:20Jocko Willink?

  There you go. The essence of discipline in the Imperial Army lies in the lofty spirit of complete obedience to His Majesty. High and low must have deeply engraved in their minds the solemnity of the right of command. Those above who should exercise the right in all seriousness, while those below should obey the commands in utmost sincerity.

• 21:44Jocko Willink?

  Essential to victory and requisite for maintaining peace is the condition wherein the entire army, united in the bonds of absolute loyalty, moves as one in response to a command. So, we're, this is where we're getting into it. You know, even the, even the, in the US military, you gotta obey the lawful orders of the people appointed above you. The lawful orders, that's the oath that you swear, is that you'll obey the lawful orders. It doesn't just say obey.

• 22:15Jocko Willink?

  Especially on the battlefield. Is the utmost observance of the spirit of obedience necessary. The spirit of the soldier is best exemplified by those who silently do their duty, joyfully braving death in obedience to a command given at a time when they are undergoing, undergoing great hardships. There's no more important time that you need to obey than on the battlefield. Next section, unity. The army looks up in awe to his majesty as its august head. It will be united in compliance with the imperial will as one in spirit and in body and in single-hearted loyalty.

• 23:01Jocko Willink?

  In keeping with the basic principles of command, an army unit should form a solid yet genial group with its commander as its center. It is essential that each man, high and low, dutifully observing his place, should be determined always to sacrifice himself for the whole in accordance with the intentions of the commander by reposing every confidence in his comrades and without giving even the slightest thought to personal interest and to life or death.

• 23:35Jocko Willink?

  So.

• 23:38Jocko Willink?

  Hey, I'm a firm believer. In fact, I think that's what makes a good team player is someone that puts the team above themselves. No doubt about it. That's also what makes a good leader, someone that puts the team's mission and the people on the team above themselves. That's, I agree with that. I guess we're going a little next level here, maybe a little bit.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:07Jocko Willink?

  You, you gotta be, see, there's a, here's a difference, I think, it's in this word, determined always to sacrifice for yourself for the whole. That's going to the next level, right? It's not like, hey, I'm putting the team first. It's like, my goal is to sacrifice myself for the team. That's where I'm heading.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:21Jocko Willink?

  That's what I'm trying to make happen. That's a little different. It's a little next level.

• 24:27Jocko Willink?

  Cooperation, next section, cooperation. Soldiers not only should be united in mind in carrying out their tasks, but should also display the spirit of cooperation by forgetting themselves for the sake of victory.

• 24:41Jocko Willink?

  Every unit should carry out its mission with responsibility, upholding its honor, placing confidence in others and assisting one another, volunteering to face hardships, exerting all its strength in cooperation and fighting valiantly to achieve its objective.

• 25:00Jocko Willink?

  Teamwork.

• 25:03Jocko Willink?

  That's what we're saying. We're talking about teamwork. We are going a little next level here because we're talking about forgetting yourselves for the sake of victory.

• 25:13Jocko Willink?

  That's, that's a little next level.

• 25:17Jocko Willink?

  Volunteering to face hardships. Well, everyone does that in the military. Exerting strength and cooperation. Yes, everyone does that in the military. Fighting valiantly to achieve its objective. Yes, everyone does that in the military.

• 25:30Jocko Willink?

  But

• 25:32Jocko Willink?

  forgetting yourself for the sake of victory, that I, that's again, this is like, hey, I'm putting the team and the mission above me. I get that.

• 25:41Jocko Willink?

  We're not going to forget ourselves though, right? We're not just, we're not just saying, okay, I don't exist. We're not giving up our personal spirit for the collective spirit. We're not doing that. Or let me just rephrase that. We're not doing that in America. That's not what we're doing. We join together the collective spirit, but we're not giving up ours.

• 26:05Jocko Willink?

  Next section, aggressiveness.

• 26:09Jocko Willink?

  Can't argue with aggressiveness. Aggressiveness should constantly prevail in combat, which must be carried out with bravery and determination. When attacking, be determined and positive, always taking the initiative, fighting vigorously and stubbornly, vowing not to cease until the enemy is crushed.

• 26:29Jocko Willink?

  I've got no issues with that.

• 26:32Jocko Willink?

  In defense, always retain the spirit of attack and always maintain freedom of action. Never give up a position, but rather die.

• 26:43Jocko Willink?

  In pursuit, be thorough and inexorable. So yep, never give up position. It's better to die. And I think we talked about, well, we've definitely talked about that on the podcast, like, when is it intelligent to make a tactical retreat? There are times without question, and there's been times throughout history where tactical retreats, giving up positions has caused victory.

• 27:14Jocko Willink?

  The Imperial Japanese Army is not talking about that. They're talking about it's better to die. Continuing on, act boldly. Intent upon victory. Be fearless and calm. Meeting the situation courageously, undergoing hardships with indomitable perseverance, so as to overcome all obstacles. Hey. I'm good with that, right? That's what you gotta do. Indomitable perseverance. Overcome all obstacles. Good. The next section, conviction to win. Faith is strength.

• 27:56Jocko Willink?

  He who has faith in combat is always the victor. The conviction to win grows from constant and rigorous training. Develop the strength to conquer the enemy by every possible effort and by improving every moment. No issues with that. Get better. Yeah, train hard. Rigorous con, rigorous training is definitely gonna get you ready for tough situations. You gotta have faith in what you're doing, for sure. The destiny of the empire rests upon victory or defeat in battle. It's a heavyweight to bear. Do not give up under any circumstances.

• 28:37Jocko Willink?

  Keeping in your mind your responsibility to keep untarnished the glorious history of the Imperial Army with its tradition of invincibility. Yeah, that one's a stretch. We're taking a stretch now. Cause I promise you that no man and no army is invincible. So we're getting a little stretched there. Going a little too deep.

• 29:10Jocko Willink?

  Next section, chapter two, and part one is called piety. The gods look upon us from above.

• 29:23Jocko Willink?

  Be worthy of divine protection by being pure in heart, just in action, profound and sincere in your piety, constantly mindful of the loyalty you owe the emperor and of duty to your parents.

• 29:43Jocko Willink?

  So, we're talking, that's the first most important thing is your devotion to the emperor. That's, that's, that's the most important thing that we're talking about. And the gods look upon you from, from above, the gods are related to the emperor.

• 30:01Jocko Willink?

  The, the next section is filial piety. So now we're talking about reverence of our parents, loyalty and filial piety as one form the law, from, form the essence of our national morality. A loyal subject is always a dutiful son. Endeavor to manifest the best traditions of our forefathers by bearing in mind the wishes of your parents, thereby fulfilling the sacred duty of a loyal subject on the battlefield.

• 30:37Jocko Willink?

  Hey, respect your parents. I can get behind that. Nothing wrong with that.

• 30:44Jocko Willink?

  Try and be a good kid, but sure. No objections. Salutes and manners. The salute is the expression of a sincere feeling of obedience.

• 30:57Jocko Willink?

  And is also a symbol of unity between those above and those below. Salutes must be strictly executed on the field. If a soldier is filled with a sense of decorum and strict in practicing good manners, it shows that he is a strong warrior. To me, this is weird. It is weird because salutes, you know, salutes are a, a definitely a time honored military tradition throughout the world.

• 31:25Jocko Willink?

  And in the US military, you don't salute a lot in the field for sure. In the SEAL teams, you did don't salute. I mean, very rarely. There's not a lot of saluting going on. Basically because you're not walking around in uniform all the time. So there's not a lot of saluting going on. But yeah, so there's a lot of different ways to show respect. And saluting is sort of the most visible, I guess, way. But it's just, it's just kind of interesting to me that they're so into it. Let me put it to you this way. This, this is,

• 31:58Jocko Willink?

  you know, when you see like a military movie, which I'm sure you've seen some.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 32:04Jocko Willink?

  When you see like the new guy officer.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:06Jocko Willink?

  And he says, hey, you better give me a salute sergeant, right?

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:10Jocko Willink?

  And everyone knows that that guy's not a good leader immediately, right? Cause you don't get all freaked out because someone doesn't salute you the way they should.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 32:17Jocko Willink?

  So, so now we have the whole military is acting like that. The whole Japanese military is like, hey, you better salute. That to me is a little bit, and, and I get it, right? It's the, it's the military tradition. It is, it's not a show of obedience as far as I'm concerned. It's a respectful thing. Like, hey, you know, there you are. You're, you're a senior officer or whatever. Boom. You, you crack the salute. It's all good.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Isn't it like a, that symbol

• 32:45Speaker 01

  of like just extreme discipline, like know your place, like know your role, know your place?

• 32:52Jocko Willink?

  Uh, it, it does, I guess signify that, but really it's just about respect as far as I'm concerned.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:58Jocko Willink?

  You know, boom, you see someone that's senior to you, boom, you crack a salute. All good.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Right. But let's say like the, kind of the functional use of, um, of that respect is like, you know, I'm gonna come, I'm gonna, you know, appear before you kind of thing. And it's basically recognizing, hey, I'm beneath you. You're above me. You know, this is how we're functioning together right now. Here's my, you know, affirm, uh, what do you call like a confirmation?

• 33:25Jocko Willink?

  Confirmation. Yeah, yeah. There is, there is a, that's there.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:29Jocko Willink?

  And it's, and it's a way, to me, it's all about tradition and respect more than anything else.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:34Jocko Willink?

  You know, um, that's what it is. It's about tradition and respect. You, you know, you see someone that's senior, you know, an officer. If you're an enlisted guy, you salute all the officers, boom, get them up. That's the way it is. But it's.

• 33:51Jocko Willink?

  To me, it's not like this crazy thing like I never yelled at anyone for not saluting me, right?

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:58Jocko Willink?

  You know, and you probably couldn't find a lot of seals that would that have done that. Now, could you say that, oh, this, there's, you know, you could see some kid that's being legitimately trying to be disrespectful, right?

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:13Jocko Willink?

  And maybe that person could get tightened up.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:18Jocko Willink?

  But.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, like on A Few Good Men, remember when he's like, hey, whatever happened to saluting an officer when he leaves the room? And then the guy puts his hands in his pocket.

• 34:27Jocko Willink?

  Oh dang, who, who, who puts their hand in the pocket?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  His name was Downey or Doc Dawson.

• 34:34Jocko Willink?

  Dawson.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Dawson, yeah.

• 34:36Jocko Willink?

  It, and who is he doing that to?

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Tom Cruise.

• 34:39Jocko Willink?

  Oh dang, Tom Cruise wasn't getting the respect. So there you go.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:43Jocko Willink?

  There you go. Good, good example.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but see what I'm saying though, um, it's like, but what is that respect kind of, kind of reflecting though? Overall functionally, it, it does seem like that. It's like, okay, knowing your place, I'm here to kind of recognize that. You know, just in this small detailed way that, that apparently will be unnecessary in certain scenarios.

• 35:04Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and I guess, I guess what you're actually talking about is just good order and discipline.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:09Jocko Willink?

  Good or just like, this is the way it is, you know, we just, we just have this tradition. This is, you know, this is what's happening.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, same thing with like polished shoes or, or, you know, your uniform being squared away.

• 35:18Jocko Willink?

  Good order and discipline.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Yep, all, yeah, exactly right. So it's like, there's no questions. There's no wiggle room or whatever. Like, we're here to do the job like from A to Z.

• 35:26Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and I'm just saying, if you're freaking out about salutes, then, then you probably need to look at some other stuff that's going on around you. You might be freaking out about the wrong thing is all I'm saying. And if you're good, like if you're a good officer, it's not like people are trying to avoid saluting you.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:44Jocko Willink?

  They're, they're down. They're like, you know, hey, here's a salute. Let's do it. All right, getting back to the book, the way of comrades in arms, comrades in arms united in life and death for the imperial cause should display full mutual trust. Should always endeavor to improve each other, assist each other in distress and restrain each other against excesses in order that they may jointly fulfill their duties as soldiers.

• 36:10Jocko Willink?

  It's all solid. Hey, we're gonna trust each other. We're gonna work always to improve each other. We're gonna help each other if we got a problem. These are all fine. All good to go.

• 36:22Jocko Willink?

  Initiative, next, next section, initiative in exemplary conduct. This is interesting because we're not just talking about initiative, because initiative is good. We want people to have initiative. But this is initiative in exemplary conduct. Leaders should be zealous in giving a worthy example in everything. If there is disorder above, those below will be unruly.

• 36:47Jocko Willink?

  Action is prized on the field. Leaders should provide an example by acting more courageously than others.

• 36:56Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, good. I mean,

• 36:59Jocko Willink?

  can't, can't really argue with those. You gotta have discipline. You gotta have order. You, you gotta set the example. Can't, can't argue with those. Next responsibility.

• 37:12Jocko Willink?

  Duty is sacred.

• 37:15Jocko Willink?

  One's responsibility is extremely heavy. Each and every task must be performed with the utmost care until all avail, available means are exhausted.

• 37:29Jocko Willink?

  Those who have a strong sense of responsibility are bravest of the brave on the field.

• 37:39Jocko Willink?

  Okay. Okay. Duty is sacred. You got responsible. You gotta be responsible. You gotta take care with doing your thing. Can't really argue with that one. Next one, view of life and death. The lofty spirit of self-sacrificing service to the state must prevail in life and in death. Do your duty with heart and soul regardless of life or death. After exerting all your powers spiritually and physically, calmly face death rejoicing in the hope of living in the eternal cause for which you

• 38:17Jocko Willink?

  You see a little kamikaze activity creeping in right there.

• 38:22Jocko Willink?

  Honor, next section. Strong are those who have a keen sense of honor. Meet the expectations of your family and home community by making effort upon effort, always mindful of the honor of your name.

• 38:38Jocko Willink?

  If alive, do not suffer the disgrace of becoming a prisoner. In death, do not leave behind a name soiled by misdeeds.

• 38:52Jocko Willink?

  No surrender. I was reading something, I forget the facts off the top of my head, but the number of Japanese

• 39:01Jocko Willink?

  military that were taken prisoner was like this tiny number. It was like, I don't know, 30, 40, 50,000, something like that. And I say it's a tiny number when you compare it to the amount of Germans and it, you know, there was millions of Germans that were, you know, taken prisoner at one point or another. And again, don't quote me on the number, but it's, the disparity is huge and this is why. They were not gonna be taken prisoner.

• 39:32Jocko Willink?

  Next, simplicity and fortitude. Hey, law of combat, keep things simple. Fortitude, yes, you gotta have fortitude. Here we go. Let simplicity guide your daily life on the battlefield. Promote habits of fortitude and a high morale.

• 39:49Jocko Willink?

  Can't argue with that. Life on the field must be plain. Consider privation your daily lot and endeavor to be thrifty. Luxury saps valor. Oh, I like that. There you go. Luxury saps valor. Theo Von, are you listening?

• 40:08Jocko Willink?

  Luxury, can't have those luxury days too often. This is, this idea of simplicity, of course, important, and even, you know, I talk about simplicity from a, you know, from a, from a communications viewpoint and from a planning viewpoint. But in life, simplicity is a very positive thing. You know, you've got the, the modern day minimalist movement. Are you familiar with that? Yes. Where you don't own anything. Or as little as you can.

• 40:39Jocko Willink?

  The, the cool, one of the coolest things about going on deployment in the days, one of the coolest things about it is you, everyone's a minimalist. It's just, you go on deployment, you have like, whatever, five bags. And in the bags, you have, you know, three pairs of pants, two pairs of boots, four t-shirts, got your weapon, got your body armor. You're like, you're, it's so awesome. And it feels really good when you're able to get away from all that stuff that you got

• 41:21Jocko Willink?

  piling up back in your big house with the big closets. You got all that stuff in there and all that stuff weighs down on you. So when you get to, you know, Tony, BTF Tony, where he used to joke about, you know, when you got like, you know, you got problems going on at home and everyone's just like bothering you and he's like, get on a, you just get on a C130, everything's fine.

• 41:48Jocko Willink?

  And I agree with that. You would get that feeling of everything's fine. You're just, hey, there's nothing, all you have to worry about is the bad guys, right? It's very easy, it's very focused. You don't have all this other stuff going on and you don't have all this other literal stuff. You just got what you need. You don't bring, if you don't bring it, if you, if you don't need it, you don't bring it because you don't want this other stuff. Yeah, yeah. Right? So you, you keep it, keep it simple is what you keep it. And that's what they're saying here.

• 42:18Jocko Willink?

  And you know, of course, I doubt. I doubt that the emperor was living, you know, a simple life of privation in the palace, right? But if we can convince all the people. If we can convince everyone that they should just be living like in the dirt, cool, more for me.

• 42:38Jocko Willink?

  So there's a little bit of that going on. Trying to keep the people with the positive mindset, even though they don't have anything. Telling them that you don't want anything because it's going to sap your valor. You want to live it lean, right? Luxury saps valor.

• 42:55Jocko Willink?

  True statement, though. True statement. Right? What happens to rock and roll bands?

• 43:02Jocko Willink?

  Their valor gets sapped? No. They come out with a good album, right? A good, hard album. And everyone goes, yes, that's, that's a, that's a. Kick ass album. And then the next thing you know, they're living a life of luxury and their music gets soft and weak. Yeah, maybe. It saps their valor. Saps their grit. Next up, integrity. Integrity is the foundation of the spirit of the warrior. How can a man who cannot conquer his worldly desires devote his life to the country?

• 43:36Jocko Willink?

  Be austere in your daily behavior. Dealer, deal with matters justly so that you will not be ashamed of your conduct in the sight of God or man.

• 43:49Jocko Willink?

  Hey, cool. Right? Act, you know, keep control over your desires. Got it. Let that sounds like a good idea.

• 43:59Jocko Willink?

  You know, act in such a way that you're, that people, you know, this goes back to the, hey, imagine you're being. At someone's video, you at all times. And then how are you, do you really want to act the way? If everyone was watching you all the time, how would you act? You want to make the right decisions so you can stand up before. Other man or God and be like, yep, I'm, my actions were, fine. So that's what, that's what this is saying. Can we argue against that? Not really. What was interesting is you read some of those kamikaze letters. A lot of them specifically say.

• 44:36Jocko Willink?

  There was no, I have no, I have no woman in my life. They specifically say that. Like, I've read a bunch of those letters. I don't know how many, but a lot. And there's a decent percentage, I don't know, maybe 10%. Which is a lot, when you think about it. But a lot of the letters, who knows on the actual percentage, but if you read some of those letters, you'll see, you'll see these young, 18, 19, 20 years olds bragging to their parents, I have no female in my life.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  You know what they say in a positive way?

• 45:07Jocko Willink?

  The most positive possible way. That I have no, they'll say, you know, I have no need for money or women. They say these things. So they're actually telling their parents, like, I, all I have is you. Right? They're more looking to honor their parents than they are looking to have a girlfriend. Which to me is, is really jacked up, you know? When you're 18 years old, you have a girlfriend.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 45:38Jocko Willink?

  Am I wrong?

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Uh, you know, to each their own, I guess.

• 45:42Jocko Willink?

  Bruh, come on. You're 18 years old. An 18 year old needs a girlfriend.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, not if he's like committed to the cause, you know? I, I always felt that like, especially at 18, if you're committed to like, I don't know, well, again, to each their own, for sure, but it is not uncommon for an 18 year old dedicated to a

• 46:06Jocko Willink?

  What's the cause we're talking about?

• 46:08Speaker 01

  I don't know, whatever, in whatever situation to get jammed up because they got some girlfriend.

• 46:13Jocko Willink?

  That's true. I'm not saying the girlfriends won't, won't jam you up.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:18Jocko Willink?

  They will. Especially when you're 17, 16, 18, 14, 13, 19, 20, 24.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  It, it evens out at about 30. Let's face it.

• 46:27Jocko Willink?

  That's where you get a grip.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  That's where you get a grip. Probably because of yourself, to be honest with you.

• 46:31Jocko Willink?

  Oh, it's 100% because of yourself.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  It's not the girl, it's you. But, yes, so they, you know, like a I don't know, eighteen, what do you, what do you do at eighteen? Military, I would imagine. I know in football, it was like that, the girlfriend. You know, it's like getting in the way.

• 46:47Jocko Willink?

  Okay, but no girls whatsoever? Are you talking like abstenance from girls?

• 46:52Speaker 01

  I'm not saying actual abstenance.

• 46:54Jocko Willink?

  Taking it to the next level, echo Charles.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  But I am saying if you're trying to demonstrate or illustrate the, your loyalty to parents, the cause, whatever, yes, you say like, bro, I don't even, girls don't even like, you know, waiver my dedication to the cause, you know, kind of thing.

• 47:13Jocko Willink?

  Okay, I get that. I get that that's what this is saying.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:16Jocko Willink?

  I'm just saying, I don't think I necessarily agree with a nineteen, eighteen, twenty year old male human having no female interaction.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:31Jocko Willink?

  To me, that just sounds like not the best idea.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Well, let's put it this way. I agree with you, but I agree with this because I feel like that's just what they're saying.

• 47:45Jocko Willink?

  No, it's definitely, no, I, I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you. It's, and I think what, what hit me weird was the, the kamikaze pilots that are just like so happy that they don't have a girlfriend. I'm thinking, are you really that happy that you don't have a girlfriend? And if you are that happy that you don't have a girlfriend, they kept you in lockdown, right? They kept you in a serious lockdown.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:07Jocko Willink?

  Because do you remember, I mean, when you're a boy, when you're ten years old, when you're eleven years old, twelve years old, like you're already looking at girls like, oh, I want to hang out with that, that thing right over there, that girl, I want to go like, talk to that, right?

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Talk to that thing, yeah.

• 48:25Jocko Willink?

  You know what I'm saying? Like it's a

• 48:27Speaker 01

  I know what you're saying.

• 48:28Jocko Willink?

  Instinct.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:29Jocko Willink?

  That is fully there as, as a dude.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Right, but at that point.

• 48:35Jocko Willink?

  Most cases.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  At that point, I would argue that in most cases, you're not consciously thinking of a meaningful, productive relationship necessarily. You just have a sort of a feeling and a sort of like attraction or draw towards this thing. And that attraction and draw towards this thing

• 48:53Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  will get in the way or at the very least compete.

• 48:57Jocko Willink?

  I get you. I don't say, I hear you. Yes, you gotta be, and definitely, if you're seventeen years old, you gotta be careful that the girls don't pull you off track.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:07Jocko Willink?

  And by the way, I'm saying this in one direction, same thing, opposite direction. I guess I should have said that, but.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  What do you mean opposite?

• 49:14Jocko Willink?

  Girls will get pulled off track by, by boys.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 49:17Jocko Willink?

  You know, so I guess what we're talking about is getting the relationship going.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:23Jocko Willink?

  Okay, I agree with you. If you are fully committed to the cause, one thing that could fall away from your commitment would be, look, I'm not even, I don't care about girls. That's where I'm at. Okay, I get you. I'll give it to you.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Actually, you kind of have to because you were like that, even when you said when you were overseas, you didn't like, you know, you didn't want to think about your family, you didn't want to do that. So what would have even made it better technically in this specific way is to not even have a family, not even to have a girlfriend, not even to have a wife.

• 49:54Jocko Willink?

  Commitment.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Exactly right. So, yeah, so that's what they're gonna say, you know?

• 49:58Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, no, that's, that's the ultimate commitment. You are correct. I don't agree with it, though.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Well, ironically, I don't agree with it.

• 50:07Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, you're just, well, you, so you see their point.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 50:11Jocko Willink?

  And I see their point, and that's why I kind of lived that way when I was overseas. Hey, I don't want to look at pictures of my wife and kids while I'm here. I want to focus on the mission at hand. But that's a lot different than coming home and, and saying, oh, I don't want to, I don't want to have any female in my life.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:25Jocko Willink?

  It's a lot different.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:27Jocko Willink?

  Or if you're a female saying, look, I don't, I don't just want to be focused on, I guess, I guess that happens, you know, on the other way, too.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, fully.

• 50:34Jocko Willink?

  You know, a female that's committed to her career, so she doesn't want to have kids, she doesn't want to get married because she's focused on the career.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, which is actually cool, but it is an extreme way to, way to get down.

• 50:48Jocko Willink?

  All right, well. I don't believe there's any conduct that you need to be ashamed of if you have a girlfriend, is what I'm saying.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 50:58Jocko Willink?

  All right. Chapter three. Counsel concerning field service.

• 51:05Jocko Willink?

  A moment's negligence may result in an unexpected catastrophe. Be constantly on your guard. Do not despise your enemy or the natives. Do not be negligent after a small success. Okay, let's just go through this a little bit. Okay, so a moment's negligence may negligence may result in an unexpected catastrophe. That's a great point. Pay attention. Be constantly on your guard. Great point. Pay attention. Do not despise your enemy or the natives. Great point, right? We're gonna go fight with honor and we're not gonna abuse the natives.

• 51:44Jocko Willink?

  Do not be negligent after a small success. Great point. That's when you're gonna get arrogant and your ego gets out of control and you get caught. Know that carelessness brings disaster.

• 51:58Jocko Willink?

  Great point.

• 52:01Jocko Willink?

  So there you go. That's just opening up. There's how, here's how we roll.

• 52:05Jocko Willink?

  I wonder if this document was written like as a reaction to Nan King. I wonder if they said, look, we let that happen. We gotta tighten up. I wonder if they actually did that. The US military does that kind of thing. Like something will go, hey, the prisoner abuse happened in Abu Ghraib. They made all kinds of rules and regulations about what you do with prisoners after that. I wonder if this is the same kind of thing. They tried to tighten them up.

• 52:28Jocko Willink?

  Sentry duty is important. Upon the sentry rests the safety of an army. He also represents the discipline of an army. Those on sentry duty must devote their entire person to the task which must be sternly carried out. Accord the sentry high respect. Cool, gotta be on guard. Next, ideological warfare is an important phase in modern conflict. Destroy propaganda and fabrications of the enemy. By your unshakable faith in the cause for which the empire stands. And endeavor to spread kodo. Which again, that's the spirit of the empire. So

• 53:12Jocko Willink?

  they're telling you to watch out for the enemy propaganda. And how you overcome it is by having unshakable faith.

• 53:19Jocko Willink?

  Next up rumors arise from a lack of confidence. Do not be misled. Do not be agitated by them. Firmly believe in the strength of the Imperial Army and deeply trust your superiors.

• 53:33Jocko Willink?

  Hmm. Deeply trust your superiors. There's no be wise on the end of that.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I noticed.

• 53:37Jocko Willink?

  Like the American manual said, said, trust your superiors, but be wise. Also rumors arise from a lack of confidence. I disagree with that. I think rumors arise from lack of knowledge and lack of hearing the truth. Cause the way you overcome rumors is to tell people the truth. That's how you stop rumors. Tell people the truth.

• 53:59Jocko Willink?

  Ah, not number six, be mindful to protect enemy property and resources. Requisitions, seizures and destruction of goods and similar actions must be executed in keeping with the regulations and always under the orders of your commanding officer. This is incredible. They're literally saying, hey, you know, when you, when you defeat someone, you've got enemy property, you need to treat it well. You can't seize it. You can't destroy it. There you go. This is like guidance.

• 54:28Jocko Willink?

  Seven, be gentle.

• 54:31Jocko Willink?

  And protect innocent inhabitants in the spirit of benevolence in accordance with the true ideal of the Imperial Army.

• 54:41Jocko Willink?

  Like I said, maybe this is a reaction to what happened in Nanking. Cause there was no being gentle and no protecting the innocent there. It was a complete opposite.

• 54:53Jocko Willink?

  Number eight, those on the field must not indulge in wine and women or allow desire to be cloud their consciences, thereby damaging the prestige of the Imperial Army and causing the dissipation of a body dedicated to service. So that one is written for Echo Charles.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:12Jocko Willink?

  No wine, no women. Those are just gonna, just gonna jam you up.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  They will.

• 55:18Jocko Willink?

  Conquer.

• 55:21Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 55:24Jocko Willink?

  They should exercise self-control lest they besmirch the pure character of warriors.

• 55:32Jocko Willink?

  Nine, control your anger, good to go, and suppress your grudges. The ancients said, "Consider anger your enemy. A moment of violence often leaves cause for long regret." It's great advice. Control your anger, control your emotions. The severity of military law is designed especially to uphold the good name of soldiers and to preserve the dignity of the Imperial Army. Always remember the oath that you made and the deep emotion that you felt when you left home. Call to mind how your parents, your wife, and your children think of you, and avoid exposing yourself to crime.

• 56:10Jocko Willink?

  Good guidance.

• 56:13Jocko Willink?

  Two, achievements of soldiers in service foster the tradition of respecting martial attainments. Cultivate and train the warriors virtues and arts. Remember that "do not allow yourself to become bored" is the saying of an ancient general.

• 56:34Jocko Willink?

  So, hey, look, we're telling people to train. Train warrior arts, train the virtues of the warriors. This is all good stuff.

• 56:45Jocko Willink?

  And, and remember that to, don't allow yourself to become bored. When's the last time you were bored?

• 56:51Speaker 01

  I don't remember, yes.

• 56:52Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I'm not really one getting bored over here on my side either. Next, do not allow yourself to worry about the fate of those at home in the event of your death, but devote yourself wholly to service. Be always ready to meet death without regret by settling your affairs beforehand.

• 57:11Jocko Willink?

  A soldier is always prepared to expose his corpse on the battlefield. Let his family know that at times even his ashes may not reach them.

• 57:21Jocko Willink?

  So there's, you know, again, there's some kamikaze attitude sneaking in there. That you, you may have to lay it all down. Next, there is nothing more to be regretted than to fall victim to a disease on the field. Be particularly mindful of your health so that you may not be unable to serve because of excesses. So, so you gotta keep track of your health. Don't get sick.

• 57:51Jocko Willink?

  Lay to heart the saying of an ancient warrior. My sword is my soul, my horse is my fortune. Always take care of your arms and supplies and give humane attention to animals on the field.

• 58:04Jocko Willink?

  Solid.

• 58:07Jocko Willink?

  Take care of your gear and your gear will take care of you. Have you ever heard that before? Yes, from you. Okay. That's a good one. Yeah, seems good. It's a true one. Seems true, yeah. Virtue in the battle zone is the source of strength in combat. Always consider the interests of other units and do not monopolize billets and materials. Remember the saying, a bird taking flight does not muddy the water. Let the good reputation of the valorous Imperial Army long remain the cause of fond recollections in an alien land. So there you go. They're telling everyone to, you know, have be virtuous in the in the combat zone.

• 58:53Jocko Willink?

  Bird in flight does not muddy the water. I think it just means as you elevate. Then you're not, you know, you don't need to get mad because it's not muddying the water. It's good, you're moving forward. Yeah. Could be wrong.

• 59:09Jocko Willink?

  Very obscure. A bird taking flight does not muddy the water. Let the good reputation of the valorous Imperial Army long remain the cause of fond recollections in an alien land. Yeah, I think that's what it means. Like, hey, this is we're elevated. We're hey, we're in this land. We're here, we invaded. But we're not going to muddy the water. We're we're in flight.

• 59:34Jocko Willink?

  Next, do not boast of one's achievements, but give others credit. But to give others credit is one of the most respected traditions among warriors. This is straight out of extreme ownership, straight out of the dichotomy of leadership.

• 59:51Jocko Willink?

  No, you don't. You don't boast of achievements. You give your credit to your team. Do not begrudge others their promotion or cherish resentment because your services are not recognized, but instead reflect upon your own shortcomings. This is, this is solid. That's solid advice, right? Oh, you got promoted. I didn't. I'm just gonna get mad at you. No. Instead, I should look at myself and say, okay, what did Echo do that I didn't do? What could I do better? What are my shortcomings?

• 1:00:21Jocko Willink?

  Next, be honest always. Consider exaggerations and lies dishonorable. Cool. We're, we're 100% on board with that. Always bear yourself as a member of a great nation, treading the path of righteousness and seeking justice so that you may enhance the prestige of the empire.

• 1:00:40Jocko Willink?

  Totally positive. They, the SEAL teams for a little while, they were trying to, it was, uh, it was something along the lines of, I will not dishonor my team, my unit, my Navy or my nation. This is the same exact thing they've got written right there. You know, you wanna, you wanna make the, the empire look good. You don't want to damage the, the reputation.

• 1:01:08Jocko Willink?

  Next.

• 1:01:12Jocko Willink?

  Also, do not show a lack of consideration for international courtesies.

• 1:01:19Jocko Willink?

  Think about that. Hey, when you go to another country, hey, don't, don't, uh, you know, take in consideration their, their customs and courtesies.

• 1:01:29Jocko Willink?

  It's a good thing to do.

• 1:01:32Jocko Willink?

  And the last one from this section, should you receive the order to return home alive after braving 10,000 deaths, think of those brave souls who will not return.

• 1:01:42Jocko Willink?

  Be determined to become an example to the people by being careful in word and deed, renewing your vows to serve the country.

• 1:01:55Jocko Willink?

  Nothing wrong with that. And then this is how this thing ends. The conclusion. The conclusion is above, all of the above originate from an end in the Imperial rescript. Let them serve as a guide in putting into practice this battlefield morality. So that all may be perfect in obeying the Imperial commands. Soldiers and officers on the field lay heart. Lay to heart the import of the above by fully realizing the significance of real service to the state. In order that you may carry out your duty as soldiers, thus responding

• 1:02:41Jocko Willink?

  to the boundless Imperial benevolence.

• 1:02:50Jocko Willink?

  So like I said, there's

• 1:02:53Jocko Willink?

  parts of that document that you can't really argue with. And it's a powerful document. It's a powerful code. And that document obviously helped guide the actions of

• 1:03:09Jocko Willink?

  of the of the military in Japan and of the nation of Japan.

• 1:03:15Jocko Willink?

  Who were highly committed to this cause.

• 1:03:25Jocko Willink?

  Completely committed to this cause. Got one more letter from a kamikaze.

• 1:03:31Jocko Willink?

  Dear mother and father, now it has been decided that I will participate in a sortie as a member of the kamikaze special attack corps squadron.

• 1:03:40Jocko Willink?

  I am deeply satisfied that nothing will surpass this as the long cherished desire of a military man to die in attacking an enemy ship together with his aircraft.

• 1:03:51Jocko Willink?

  When I think of my 23 years of life, I've not been able to repay anything for your kindness. However, with a smile, please forgive me. From the beginning, I offered myself for the country. The war is plunging into an increasingly critical period.

• 1:04:10Jocko Willink?

  But I believe in victory for the empire.

• 1:04:15Jocko Willink?

  I believe others will follow after me, smiling. I will make a body-crashing attack against an enemy ship. I am resolved that I will repay a ten thousandths of the emperor's kindness. I have not been as thankful as today to be born a Japanese person. I, thy humble subject, live not in vain, having seen both heaven and earth prosper in this glorious age of vine. This is an old poem, and it is my state of mind. Please give regards to my teachers at elementary school, junior high school, and teachers

• 1:04:57Jocko Willink?

  in college, all of the relatives and the villagers. Finally, I am praying for the welfare of everyone in the family bravely.

• 1:05:07Jocko Willink?

  I will fall knowing the way of Samurai.

• 1:05:11Jocko Willink?

  For the Emperor who gave blessings.

• 1:05:16Jocko Willink?

  Naval Ensign Shojiyo Kaeda.

• 1:05:23Jocko Willink?

  And at 12:45 on April 6, 1945, Ensign Kaeda took off from Kusira Air Base and carried out his suicide attack off the coast of Okinawa.

• 1:05:48Jocko Willink?

  And when you hear this code, and when you hear these letters, you have to think to yourself,

• 1:05:59Jocko Willink?

  who could defeat

• 1:06:04Jocko Willink?

  an enemy that is that determined? What warrior culture could have the values and the courage to contend with and to actually defeat a people possessed with such willingness to make sacrifices?

• 1:06:25Jocko Willink?

  Such willingness to die for their cause, that's what you have to ask yourself. That's what I ask myself is what, what people could oppose? And fight against this, this warrior breed?

• 1:06:45Jocko Willink?

  And the answer to that question, and this isn't, this isn't a theoretical answer, but it's a, it's a factual answer. The warrior culture that faced and defeated this fanatic society

• 1:07:02Jocko Willink?

  was the United States of America.

• 1:07:06Jocko Willink?

  And it was our own hardened breed of warriors from the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines, the American warrior culture.

• 1:07:20Jocko Willink?

  The American warrior culture is what went from island to island and beachhead to beachhead and pillbox to pillbox, fighting and sacrificing.

• 1:07:36Jocko Willink?

  Not only with a willingness to die, which they certainly had,

• 1:07:44Jocko Willink?

  but with a stronger willingness

• 1:07:48Jocko Willink?

  to live.

• 1:07:53Jocko Willink?

  To live. And not to live a life of subservience and obedience, but a life of something much more powerful than all of that, a life of freedom.

• 1:08:12Jocko Willink?

  And that culture,

• 1:08:16Jocko Willink?

  that American culture of individual freedom has proven out to be the most powerful force in the world.

• 1:08:30Jocko Willink?

  And for us to be able to protect that freedom, what we do is we voluntarily impose discipline on ourselves.

• 1:08:40Jocko Willink?

  And we have the things that this book talked about. We have, we have conviction to win. We believe in loyalty and responsibility. We live with honor and valor and we work together to protect each other. But we don't do that because we're mandated to do that.

• 1:09:00Jocko Willink?

  We do it so we can defend our way of life.

• 1:09:06Jocko Willink?

  We make sacrifices to preserve our culture. Because our way of life offers something.

• 1:09:17Jocko Willink?

  Something that is the apex of human existence.

• 1:09:28Jocko Willink?

  Freedom.

• 1:09:33Jocko Willink?

  Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

• 1:09:40Jocko Willink?

  And that's why we fight.

• 1:09:44Jocko Willink?

  And that's why we win. We don't fight for glory. We don't fight for personal gain. We don't fight to impose our will onto others. But we fight for freedom.

• 1:10:00Jocko Willink?

  Freedom itself, that is our ideal. That is our standard.

• 1:10:10Jocko Willink?

  And we will never, ever surrender that ideal.

• 1:10:21Jocko Willink?

  The ideal of freedom.

• 1:10:26Jocko Willink?

  Freedom is our code.

• 1:10:38Jocko Willink?

  And I think that's all I've got for tonight. Echo Charles.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's good.

• 1:10:46Jocko Willink?

  We are trying to maintain our freedom.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:51Jocko Willink?

  In order to do that, we all know that we have to, you know, impose some discipline on ourselves.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:10:59Jocko Willink?

  That means putting in the work.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:03Jocko Willink?

  Means trying to get better.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:11:07Jocko Willink?

  I know you've got some things that might help us as we head down that path.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, very much so. But the

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  the imperial, the emperor kind of seems like that's the part that kind of jammed everything up. Like this whole code, like the whole, what is this like manual called?

• 1:11:30Jocko Willink?

  Imperial re-script.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:32Jocko Willink?

  For soldiers and sailors.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, man, this is all good, this is all good, except that one spot where they were like, yeah, the emperor is like a lion, a beak, kind of as if to say, okay. And but at the end of the day, like you gotta listen to this like one.

• 1:11:47Jocko Willink?

  Whereas at the end of the day,

• 1:11:50Jocko Willink?

  what we do is individual freedom.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:53Jocko Willink?

  For nobody else.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Jocko Willink?

  Like we're collectively protecting this freedom that we have. And we do that together. But once we have that freedom, it's not about for someone else, it's for, it's for the individual.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Jocko Willink?

  It's for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's what we're doing over here. That's what the, that's what Western culture is about.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:12:17Jocko Willink?

  And you know, the fact that you have all this code written and everything, right? You have these people raised the Bushido mindset and all that, but like the Marines are going on to the beach at Guadalcanal.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Jocko Willink?

  That's what's gonna happen.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Jocko Willink?

  And, and, and going into a fortified island, you're at a complete disadvantage. Don't, don't, don't let anyone forget that. When you're going again, when you're on the offense against a defensive position, you are at a complete disadvantage. That's the way it is.

• 1:12:52Jocko Willink?

  And so, so this, this warrior culture that sometimes we put up on a pedestal because it sounds cool. It sounds cool. The imperial re script sounds cool when you put this code out, right? But what you, what you just said is correct. When that code is not based and not the, the foundation of it isn't freedom, doesn't turn out good.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's essentially like, it sounds cool because you know how you, it kind of ties into it where you, okay, so discipline equals freedom. We'll say, right? We'll start with that. So discipline sounds cool and equals freedom. That whole thing sounds cool, whatever. So this Bushido thing kind of just seems like just the discipline part. So of course, that part of it sounds cool. But when you look at big picture, you know how not cool that is? Yeah. Like especially like to have to bow down to like some group of people.

• 1:13:55Jocko Willink?

  That's the way it is.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  Family, you know? Yeah. So you step back, you look at that, you're like, man, this isn't cool. Actually, this is like, kind of bad, especially when you get, um, corruption.

• 1:14:06Jocko Willink?

  For sure.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Which is kind of, it's one of the, I forget the saying, but it's like absolute power is absolute.

• 1:14:13Jocko Willink?

  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So the, man, so you kind of consider that and that's a, that's a big picture thing too. Cause no one just come, I mean, I was gonna say no one comes out of the gate corrupt, but that's not true either. But when you can have something like this where it's like, hey, the emperor there, you know, they're benevolent, they're divine, you know, all this stuff or whatever. And it's like, yeah, okay, that sounds cool. But man, after a while, big picture, you're like, God, damn well you're not divine. You're just a person and that whole absolute power corrupts us absolutely. It's like, that's a very high likelihood and all this stuff. So given that. That they can just say whatever they want. They can be like, hey, I don't care, eighteen year old kid out of high school or whatever. Oh, yeah, we need, we need to use you as a bullet. That's really what they're doing. Especially like the numbers, the numbers are like, bro, you killed

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  one Japanese person for like every one point, something other person like enemy. So it's like, bro, two bullets are worth more than you, really, in a way, you know? And some like person can just sort of make that determination? With your whole life, bro, I don't know, man, that doesn't sound good.

• 1:15:16Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and that's, that's why this whole, this whole thing, this, it just boils down to, it just boils down to, and it's such an overused word, man, it boils down to freedom. That's what it boils down to.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Jocko Willink?

  Like when you are a man and you're from Iowa and you're in the Marine Corps and you're going on to that beach. Your will as a free man

• 1:15:43Jocko Willink?

  is stronger than the will of this guy over on the other side that is not truly free.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:52Jocko Willink?

  And that, that right there, that's the, that's the, that's the crazy thing about this. Is you can take this, this entire warrior culture where these people are born and raised and taught this. And you seen, uh, you know, there's, there's training videos for the kamikazes, but even just the, just the militant life that these, the militaristic life that they led. And meanwhile, you take someone that was a shoe cobbler in Boston and you take another guy that was a farmer in Iowa and you take another guy that worked on the railroad in California and you put them together in a foxhole and their will

• 1:16:37Jocko Willink?

  to fight as free men

• 1:16:41Jocko Willink?

  is stronger than someone that was raised since birth to be a warrior.

• 1:16:47Jocko Willink?

  Freedom and the, the individual human will to do what you want to do with your life is such, is the most powerful force. And it gets left, it gets left behind. And if you leave it behind, you might win for a little while, but you're not going to win in the long run.

• 1:17:06Jocko Willink?

  And that's the, that's the force, if you take that to a personal level, that's the force that you can use to drive discipline in your life. Because you want, you, you don't impose discipline on yourself for, for the sake of discipline. That's gonna be, you can, you can do that, you can do that today, you can do that tomorrow, you can do that next week. But you can't do that for two years, three years. You need, it needs to be, the foundation of the discipline needs to be the desire for freedom.

• 1:17:43Jocko Willink?

  That's what it has to be rooted in. At least, that's for me. For me, that's what it's rooted in.

• 1:17:50Jocko Willink?

  And like, okay, discipline for the sake of discipline, that sounds cool. Yeah. Right? Sounds awesome.

• 1:17:57Jocko Willink?

  Dig into it a little bit. Right, not big picture. Dig into it a little bit, and what do you find? It's gotta be discipline for freedom.

• 1:18:06Jocko Willink?

  And it, and it's, it's functional on the battlefield.

• 1:18:11Jocko Willink?

  And it's functional in your life.

• 1:18:17Jocko Willink?

  You know, it's the same thing with, uh, same thing with the Nazis. The Nazis were a martial, a martial culture. You know, that's what they were. But they were subservient to the Führer. And guess what happens? When you take, guess what happens when you take a kid from North Carolina? And you take another kid from Florida, and you take another kid from Tennessee? And you take those kids, they're not professional soldiers. They're gonna go to boot camp, they're gonna get trained in whatever they're gonna get trained in. They're not ra, they're not Hitler youth raised to fight.

• 1:18:59Jocko Willink?

  You ever seen little, little Hitler youth training with weapons when they're 12 years old? Like meanwhile, this kid was in Tennessee, working on a farm. This other kid was in Brooklyn, working in a pizza shop, working in a restaurant, whatever. So you take these folks that are fighting for the Führer.

• 1:19:20Jocko Willink?

  And you put them up against someone that's, a group of people that are fighting for freedom.

• 1:19:27Jocko Willink?

  And freedom's gonna win.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  I think you're right about that.

• 1:19:33Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, it's interesting.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Like the freedom to do jujitsu, by the way, and the freedom to get any kind of gi you want. But you're gonna get the best gi, is what I'm saying.

• 1:19:45Jocko Willink?

  That almost qualified as a rough transition right there.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Well, I'm just saying that's the first thing that came to mind at that point when you said that. Nonetheless, anyway, we're on the path. Yes, discipline. The path is the path of discipline. That ends in, not ends in, but results in freedom.

• 1:20:02Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  So on this path, many activities, many things to do and to not do, by the way.

• 1:20:10Jocko Willink?

  You know what, what you were talking about earlier with like the salute thing? Let's look at that for a second, right?

• 1:20:17Jocko Willink?

  If I'm a guy that's like, has an attitude, like I'm not saluting anyone.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Jocko Willink?

  I'm, I'm not disciplining myself. Well, guess what? Then I'm not gonna do anything in the military. I'm gonna get kicked out of the military, actually. I'm gonna lose the freedom to serve. Whereas if you, if you discipline yourself, like, hey, I'm gonna show respect to the people that are above me in the chain of command. I'm gonna do a good job. I'm gonna discipline myself. Guess what? It's ridiculous. This is gonna sound so ridiculous.

• 1:20:48Jocko Willink?

  For the most part, I could pretty much do whatever I wanted to when I was in the military. As crazy as that sounds, as crazy as that sounds, my bosses always gave me what I wanted. My, I could just kind of do, do what I wanted to do. It was crazy. It was crazy. When I look back on it now, and, and, and my bosses would give me what I want and help me and support me. Why did they do that? They didn't do it because I was manipulating. They did it because I was working hard and supporting what they wanted to get done. And it's like a positive thing. It's not negative at all. It's like, it was awesome. But if you, and if you have that attitude in life, like, hey, I'm gonna work hard. I'm gonna, I'm gonna discipline myself.

• 1:21:33Jocko Willink?

  I'm gonna submit in situations that require it. I'm gonna subordinate my ego in situations that require it now, so that in the long run, I can get the freedom.

• 1:21:49Jocko Willink?

  So often people, they don't wanna, they want the freedom right now.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:53Jocko Willink?

  Freedom isn't gonna come right now. You don't get it.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:57Jocko Willink?

  You have to work for it. You have to fight for it. You have to impose discipline on your life so that you can end up with it. You have to work hard. You know, you have to work hard. To get to a point where you get the freedom. But if you don't work hard. You, you won't end up with it. You just won't. You'll always end up being a slave to to your paycheck. You'll be a slave to your, your jacked up friends. You'll be a slave to the manipulative partner you chose. You know, you, you'll be a slave if you don't put discipline in your world.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  Slave to drugs.

• 1:22:39Jocko Willink?

  You'd be a slave to drugs. You'd be a slave to alcohol. You can be a slave to food. You can be a slave to doctors. Yeah, you can be slave to all these things.

• 1:22:47Jocko Willink?

  So. It's just, you gotta think about freedom. You gotta have that in the back of your mind, but you can't, you can't live your life thinking that it's gonna be given to you.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Oh, free.

• 1:22:59Jocko Willink?

  No, it's not. Freedom isn't free, as they say.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  As they say.

• 1:23:03Jocko Willink?

  Freedom isn't free in a country. And freedom certainly isn't free in your own personal life. It's not free.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Oh, no. Yeah, like we, and we talked about this early on where you're gonna have to pay the price, you know?

• 1:23:18Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  When, you know, pay now, pay later, whatever. So the, the whole pay now.

• 1:23:25Speaker 01

  I think that's the way to go.

• 1:23:26Jocko Willink?

  Paying now is definitely the way to go.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, you always gotta pay. And it's a constant thing. And that, that part can kind of be intimidating, you know? Where it's like, like, let's say, you, you know, the, the real obvious ones, like eating correctly and exercising, right? Like that's.

• 1:23:42Jocko Willink?

  Well, what's good about those is they, the, their physical activities that have physical, visible manifestations, right? If you eat like crap, you're gonna feel like crap. You're gonna look like crap. You're gonna perform like crap.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Jocko Willink?

  If you are inactive, you're gonna move like crap. You're gonna be sick. So, yeah, those are real clear.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:07Jocko Willink?

  Examples.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  So it's like so clear where you can be like, okay, I'm gonna pay now. Right. How am I gonna pay now? And what price am I gonna pay now? And that's with like, yeah, not eating things that you're so physically compelled to eat.

• 1:24:20Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  Um, for the most part. Uh, exercising, which can be a pain, literally. And so, you know, no one, most of the time you don't like want to exit. Like, that's not a natural thing, I think, to like.

• 1:24:35Jocko Willink?

  I would say that's true. I would say, actually, you're right. I would say that you're right to the point where a normal human being is genetically programmed. If they can conserve energy, then you want to conserve energy.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:46Jocko Willink?

  Cause otherwise, if you didn't have that instinct, you would waste all your energy as a caveman and you would die. Right? Cause you'd starve to death. So no, I think we're genetically programmed to, to lean towards less activity.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:00Jocko Willink?

  Uh, energy conservation is what we're probably genetically programmed to do.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, genetically.

• 1:25:07Jocko Willink?

  Now, I get it if you're sitting in an office all day and then you're like, man, I can't wait to go for a run tonight. Yeah, of course. Cause you've been sitting in an office all day. So, so there's gotta be some instinct to do that as well, but.

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but most time too, if you're gonna go for a run or go lift or something like you're already familiar with like the, the payoff of that.

• 1:25:24Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  You know, no one, I mean, it's pretty rare. Maybe if you wanna go play, play in the pool or something, I guess, but that's different. Like, no one's just genetically yearning to go do a Metcon or something, or run like a marathon or something like that.

• 1:25:39Jocko Willink?

  Well, that's why I kinda threw that out there a little bit, cause sometimes if you, for me.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:45Jocko Willink?

  Like sometimes, no, but, but for real, right? Let's say you, let's say you couldn't work out for two days. Do you have like a little like thing that's, man, I can't wait to get there and jerk some steel?

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, big time. But then, right, but that's for someone who already knows the payoff.

• 1:26:00Jocko Willink?

  Okay, I got it.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  And it's like, and it goes through, and we talked about this too, where that's kind of the good news.

• 1:26:05Jocko Willink?

  Don't you just like to just go get some though?

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:08Jocko Willink?

  But only for the payoff? Sometimes I like to get some just to get some.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  I know, because you're you.

• 1:26:13Jocko Willink?

  Feel.

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  And that's like, I was, like I was gonna say that, that's like one of the benefits of

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  work, and this, we're just talking about working out, but this goes for kinda everything where if you familiarize yourself over the years of the payoff, like your body kinda accommodates that. Like, your body's like. If you don't

• 1:26:32Jocko Willink?

  Well, you get endorphins and you get addicted to it.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:34Jocko Willink?

  Right?

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  And that becomes how you

• 1:26:35Jocko Willink?

  That's what we're talking about.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that becomes how you work. So but let's say like, okay, let's say I'm, I don't know, thirty five years old, we'll say I've never really worked out ever. Right? I just live a normal life or whatever. I just never really worked out, never like lifted weights, never like went for runs.

• 1:26:47Jocko Willink?

  You'll have less of a desire than someone that's been working out their whole life.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Try go work out for the first time, a hard one. Do one of Jaco's workouts. You'd be like, I don't want to do this. No, I don't want to do this. You're gonna be thinking that while you're doing it and the next day when you're all sore, you're gonna be like, I don't want to do that ever again, actually. So it's different. But if you're you or someone who's like, you know, an athlete all their life or something like that, someone who who reap the benefits, they know they're familiar with with the payoff.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Yes, when you don't work out for one day, two days, you know, however many days, yeah, you can be like, your body's gonna be like, hey, we're like, we need that workout now, kind of thing, for short term, short term payoff, we need that workout. So the, again, the benefit of getting into working out on a regular basis, you get short term and long term payoff.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  And that's how the path is, by the way. Anyway, same thing for jiu jitsu, jiu jitsu's a big one. If you take off jiu jitsu, like you've been out of jiu jitsu for a little bit because you're

• 1:27:47Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  You're hurting right now.

• 1:27:49Jocko Willink?

  Hating it.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, you're, yeah, you're

• 1:27:51Jocko Willink?

  I just walked out to the gym, I kind of looked at the mats, I got all excited.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. You should be back

• 1:27:56Jocko Willink?

  I'll be back, I'll be back in a week. Back on, well, no, sorry, two weeks, I'll be back on the mats of justice.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  Boom, there it is. So while you're doing jiu jitsu, if you haven't started jiu jitsu, if you haven't like, because you know, there's a number of people who are like, hey, I hear good things, I'm on the fence, you know, they just haven't made the plunge, they haven't taken the step to even just try it, because usually places you go, they'll give you, it's free.

• 1:28:20Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Try for free.

• 1:28:21Jocko Willink?

  Try it for free.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:22Jocko Willink?

  That's which tells you that jiu jitsu is good, because they don't say, hey, try this for free. They don't try and get your money.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:29Jocko Willink?

  It's like, come on in.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:30Jocko Willink?

  It's like giving away free crack at the schoolyard.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's the good kind though.

• 1:28:34Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, except for it's crack that makes you like a better human being.

• 1:28:39Jocko Willink?

  That's basically what jujitsu is.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:28:40Jocko Willink?

  It's like a, it's like a, an addictive drug that makes you better, stronger, smarter, faster, more calm, more patient, just a better person.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  Brer brings more to your perspective, that's for sure.

• 1:28:54Jocko Willink?

  Opens up your perspective.

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  Big time.

• 1:28:56Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. So there's people, if what you're saying is correct, and there's someone right now that's on the fence, should I or should I not? Maybe I should, maybe I won't like it. I don't know. It's sweaty dudes. I don't, disco train.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Go for free. Yes.

• 1:29:09Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, go for free.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  Just try the one day. You can even, I would even say, go try the one day with it. I mean, I would never recommend having a, a defensive attitude towards it. I would never recommend that. But Brad, it's better than not going at all.

• 1:29:22Jocko Willink?

  Give yourself an attitude of like, hey, if you don't like it, go prove that it sucks.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:29:25Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Exactly right. Prove, prove that it sucks. Yes, exactly right. But when you fail to prove that it sucks.

• 1:29:33Jocko Willink?

  And you realize that it is awesome.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  It is awesome. You can be like, dang, where am I? I need a gi and best gees. Not only in America, in the world.

• 1:29:41Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  Factually.

• 1:29:42Jocko Willink?

  Worldwide.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  They are made in America, are from, they are from Origin. So originmaine.com is where you can get your gees. There's other stuff on there.

• 1:29:52Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  Rashcard's on there for no gi.

• 1:29:53Jocko Willink?

  Gees, Rashcard for the jujitsu. Also, when you're not on the jujitsu mat and you still want to have the comfort and the glory of American-made products.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:06Jocko Willink?

  You know, we're talking a lot about freedom today. Why not get a pair of jeans that were made under the umbrella of freedom right here in the United States of America, up in the great state of Maine.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Jocko Willink?

  Grown here in America, right? Why would you not do that? So check out jeans, check out t-shirts, check out all that clothing. And then also, if you want some supplements for your body.

• 1:30:33Jocko Willink?

  Nutritional supplements. If you, if you're working out all the time, you're gonna need some joint warfare. Uh, joint warfare helps your joints. Krill oil also help your joints. And actually, both those things also help your just overall life.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:30:52Jocko Willink?

  Get on those, Discipline and Discipline Go. Discipline is, for me, it's a pre-mission situation. It's not, but don't get it confused with the traditional pre-workout stimulant. That gets you all amped up. I was reading someone saying, oh, I don't want to take a pre-workout before jujitsu.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:31:13Jocko Willink?

  That's a pre-workout, and I don't recommend taking a pre-workout before jujitsu. This, this has 15 milligrams of caffeine, because that's what people worry about. My heart's gonna be pumping.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:24Jocko Willink?

  No, this is gonna, it's gonna get you cognitively and physically ready to rock and roll. That's why it's gonna be primed. And, and Discipline Go, which is the pill form. When you, when you, imagine, okay, you know what you feel like when you're in the zone, right? Just imagine you could get in the zone, like, basically, on demand.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:31:47Jocko Willink?

  That's what's happening here.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:48Jocko Willink?

  With Discipline Go. You can feel it, and it gets you in the zone. It's, you know what trips me out? Is, I'll take this, when I was going to, you know, speak with a company, I'm gonna be sitting down. There's 20, like, smart leaders in a room from a company. They got a lot of stuff going on, big company. And I go in, and I've got, I gotta be honest, I'm like juiced up on like three Discipline Go.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you're ready to go.

• 1:32:19Jocko Willink?

  So I'm ready to rock and roll, but I get in there, and I'm, I'm, I'm just feeling great, right? And I get out of there, and I'm like thinking to myself, I'm, I'm like, you know, I should have recorded that. There's, no, I'm not kidding. There's times where I go to, I work with a client, and I think, man, I should have recorded that. I even do phone calls sometimes with clients, and I'm like, I should have just recorded my end.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:32:42Jocko Willink?

  Because I'm telling people, really.

• 1:32:46Jocko Willink?

  Important things about planning, about leadership, about decision making. And it's getting lost. I mean, I told 20 people, what about everyone else? I'm thinking to myself. And I come out of there and I think to myself, I'm like, I'm like, I was just in the zone. I wonder what happened. I'm like, oh. I took three discipline goes and I'm ready to rock and roll. That's what happened. So anyways.

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  That's funny. That sounds like you're like all freaking like proud of yourself like, oh my god.

• 1:33:11Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  I'm so good at what I do.

• 1:33:13Jocko Willink?

  And I felt like I cheated.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but no, it actually makes sense though. You know, like you say, when you're in the zone, right? And you said, you know, like, I don't know, even like in my case, like you're my friend who asked me like a question. And then I'll be like, wait, and I'll kind of cover like all the aspects of the question, like all fluidly. And I'm like, dang, I kind of said that kind of good right there. Not that I'm a great speaker, nothing like that, but I'm just saying, given the question he asked at the certain time and the way I answered, I really feel good about it. I really feel good about it. That's kind of like what you get into. You know, like when you take the discipline, it's like, oh, it's just, you just kind of flow with it. Kind of like, kind of like surfing or something.

• 1:33:49Jocko Willink?

  I started to get a little like, is it possible to become addicted to that feeling?

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Well, it depends on what kind of quote unquote addiction you're talking about. Cause there's psychological addiction, yeah? Like, that's a thing. But so, yeah.

• 1:34:03Jocko Willink?

  Anyways, that's the discipline and that's the discipline go. And then we got, we got some milk. And you know what milk is?

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:34:12Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, it's milk.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  Happens to have 22 grams of protein.

• 1:34:17Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah. And by the way, mint is my favorite kind of flavor overall in the world. And I have not had mint since I got strawberry at my house. I gotta be straight up. Now I'll get over it in a little while. You know what I mean? But right now, it's just.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  The hype is still rolling.

• 1:34:33Jocko Willink?

  It's still rolling on the strawberry. Same boat. Strawberry slayer.

• 1:34:39Jocko Willink?

  How good is it anyways? Uh, yeah, that's that. Get the milk. Get the warrior milk kid for your kids. Warrior kid milk. It's uh, that comes in strawberry and chocolate. Once again, the strawberry is unreal. The chocolate's fine. It's good. Your kids will like it. The strawberry, they'll be coming back for more, right? It's dessert. And then of course you got Jaco White Tea, which is good for you. It tastes good. And the most important thing is that it gives you an 8,000 pound deadlift, which is not shabby.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:35:13Jocko Willink?

  It is 100% guaranteed, like 100%.

• 1:35:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, like.

• 1:35:16Jocko Willink?

  Every single person that's ever had it.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:35:19Jocko Willink?

  Has got an 8,000 pound. So you're good there. Uh, give that a try if you want. Yeah.

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  Yep. Big time.

• 1:35:25Jocko Willink?

  All that stuff that we just talked about is at originmaine.com.

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:35:28Jocko Willink?

  If you want it.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  Yep. And the tea, we offer the tea as well.

• 1:35:32Jocko Willink?

  Where?

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  On our store.

• 1:35:34Jocko Willink?

  Oh, I didn't know we had a store.

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  Jaco, you do have a store. It's called Jaco's store. Anyway, yeah. So yeah, Jaco's store is called Jaco's store.com. This is where you can get.

• 1:35:45Jocko Willink?

  A bunch of rash guards, t-shirts, hats, stickers.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  Pretty much anything that you want.

• 1:35:51Jocko Willink?

  Stickers in there right now?

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  We have sticker bumper stickers.

• 1:35:53Jocko Willink?

  Okay. I don't know if everyone knows that.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Jocko Willink?

  It could be sold out and we don't know it. Tell Jesse. Jesse will get him in the game.

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  No, no, the decals. Okay. So there's a difference between bumper stickers and decals. We have decals.

• 1:36:05Jocko Willink?

  Oh.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  Those are like more legitimate stickers.

• 1:36:07Jocko Willink?

  Okay, cool. That's the ones I like.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Yes, me too.

• 1:36:10Jocko Willink?

  More on that level.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much anything. If you want to represent, you know, the discipline equals freedom, like

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  concept.

• 1:36:20Jocko Willink?

  You know, a guy, uh, and this is just, you should know this. Um, a guy, there was, I was speaking at an event and they were talking about like, oh, we got some guys that are gonna wear your t-shirt. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's awesome. And the guy I was talking to was kind of, I don't know. He just had a look on his face like. Like I was like saying, oh, it's so awesome that guys are wearing, you know, the T-shirt. And so I said to him, I said, it's awesome because like that's how the podcast is supported. It's like when you buy a T-shirt, that's how the podcast is supported. So it is cool and it's appreciated if you get a T-shirt or a hat or a rash guard

• 1:37:00Jocko Willink?

  or whatever from the Jaco store, because then we can have the podcast.

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, and a good, a good

• 1:37:09Jocko Willink?

  Support.

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  Support, yeah, big time. Good news about this too, though, it's not like the shirts, and I said this from the beginning, I think this was kind of the goal. When, you know, when you make shirts, you produce shirts.

• 1:37:20Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  It's, it seems obvious to be like, oh yeah, let's just get some shirts.

• 1:37:27Jocko Willink?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  I made it a point to get like literally the shirts that like that I wear or that and which are we're proving because I made shirts before in the past. Actually, I've been making shirts since I was like six years old, to be honest with you. So I find out.

• 1:37:40Jocko Willink?

  Where were you making shirts when you were six years old?

• 1:37:42Speaker 01

  Kauai.

• 1:37:42Jocko Willink?

  But I mean, like, explain that a little bit.

• 1:37:45Speaker 01

  So you get your, well.

• 1:37:46Jocko Willink?

  Because it wasn't like you were running a silk screen operation.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  No, but my mom did, yes, my mom did.

• 1:37:51Jocko Willink?

  Your mom was making shirts when you were six years old.

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  Well, it kind of filtered down to us too. So they did airbrush, they did silk screen, they did.

• 1:37:59Jocko Willink?

  Dang, I want to see some kid pictures of you with an airbrushed T-shirt. Unicorn, rainbow, shaka.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  Shaka, maybe there may be a lot of flowers, a lot of that kind of, it was on Kauai. So there is, she worked at a place called Tropical Shirts. Yes, on Kauai and Lai. Right, they shared a building with like a can or pineapple cannery. They make sure it was real interesting. Anyway, that's where we learned. Nonetheless, the point is, I didn't get some just random cheap, the cheapest shirt. I, I got wearable shirts. There's many people. And when I say many, I mean more than I can, I can't recollect like five people.

• 1:38:36Jocko Willink?

  It's actually, it's actually a lot of people.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:38Jocko Willink?

  Because a lot of people tell me this too.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that it's the most like their favorite shirt to wear because it fits so good. It's like the softer material. It's not just like some rigid thing, you know? They're good, they're, it's quality stuff is what I'm saying. So, you know, beneficial in all sorts of ways.

• 1:38:54Jocko Willink?

  That's choco store.com. Hey, also, speaking of the podcast, just subscribe to this podcast if you haven't already. If you will subscribe to it, then you just click a button that says subscribe and you did it. You, you achieved the goal of the day. You subscribed to the podcast. And the more subscribers we get, that, no, whatever. Subscribe to the podcast. Get in the game. The Warrior Kid Podcast as well. That one's coming out a little bit infrequently right now, but we are getting them out. I'm working on another one right now. There's plenty of lessons in there for everyone from Uncle Jake. And then you can also get some Warrior Kid soap from Irishoaksranch.com.

• 1:39:35Jocko Willink?

  Also, we have a YouTube channel.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a good channel, I think. If you're interested in the video version, that's mainly what it's for. Also, there's some excerpts on there that we put out. So you don't have to necessarily listen to the whole thing every single time.

• 1:39:51Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. Whenever I meet someone that has a commute, more than forty minutes to work and from work, they're completely caught up on the podcast.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:01Jocko Willink?

  When I meet someone that has a commute that's like ten minutes, they're like, oh, you're putting out these podcasts too fast. And I say, well, listen harder.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  You know, because you can, on some, some apps, you can play it at one point five or whatever, two, two times the speed. I don't know that I would recommend that. I've accidentally, you know, sometimes you accidentally press a button and it'll go faster. It's kind of weird, but if you're trying to rush it, you're trying to get the info in.

• 1:40:28Jocko Willink?

  You can get used to it, too. You can get used to it. But then the thing is with me, a lot of times, obviously, I speak really slow with big, giant pauses. I'm sorry, that's just the way I talk. But then also sometimes I speak really quickly and put my words together and they kind of flow out. If you were listening to this right now at two point zero speed, you'd be in a world of hurt trying to understand what I was talking about. So that's when you gotta be able to get back to that button, hammer it down, get you to slow back down to a normal speed of one point oh.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  One point oh, yeah, true. But yeah, either way, YouTube, yes, YouTube. It's a, we do have YouTube channel. So yeah, check that out if you're interested in that one. Also, Psychological Warfare, if you don't know what that is, it's an album with tracks, choco tracks, getting us all through our moments of weakness if they become prevalent, which they do from time to time. They do. Way less now, by the way. But you know.

• 1:41:19Jocko Willink?

  Those are, those are on wherever you can get an MP3. You can get the Psychological Warfare album. That's an audio. It's an audio.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  Helper.

• 1:41:29Jocko Willink?

  Reminder.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  Reminder.

• 1:41:30Jocko Willink?

  If you want a visual reminder, you can go to flipsidecanvas.com.

• 1:41:36Jocko Willink?

  Run by my brother Dakota Meyer. He was on this podcast number 115.

• 1:41:43Jocko Willink?

  He makes things that you can look at. That say good things on them to remind you of what you should be doing. He just made a new one that says. All your excuses are lies.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw that one. That was good.

• 1:41:56Jocko Willink?

  There's no, not all fancy. Cause there's nothing fancy about all our excuses are lies.

• 1:42:02Speaker 01

  It's simple. It's going for the simplicity element.

• 1:42:04Jocko Willink?

  Yes, yes. So yeah, check out flipsidecanvas.com. Get some stuff to hang on your walls.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:42:11Jocko Willink?

  And also made under the umbrella of freedom here in America.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Yes, sir. It is. Big time. Also on it, on it.com slash Jaco. This is where you can get workout gear. Some warrior bars. Here's the thing, I haven't been talking about the warrior bars, but those warrior bars are like. Key.

• 1:42:30Jocko Willink?

  They're, they're, they're good to have on the standby scenario.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. And even like, that's like a semi daily. What is semi daily? Is that every other day? Semi daily?

• 1:42:41Jocko Willink?

  It's not necessarily.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  Important.

• 1:42:44Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:45Speaker 01

  Semi daily, well, my frequency with these warrior bars is protein packed. Uh, food. They're not like, like, you know, a power bar or something like, it's not like that. It's like a protein. Meat. Anyway, it's called a warrior bar. Anyway, that's every other day, I would say. It's like, I don't even like to use word snack. Because it doesn't feel like a snack. It's, it's like a hybrid snack slash meal. Protein ish. Anyway, nonetheless, there's a lot of cool stuff on there, uh kettlebells on there. I used to say artistic kettlebells, even though they are artistic, but I I feel like it doesn't capture the glory of the kettlebells. Nonetheless, primal bells, legend bells.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  That's where I get them.

• 1:43:31Jocko Willink?

  What do they call the Star Wars bells?

• 1:43:33Speaker 01

  Oh, they call them.

• 1:43:34Jocko Willink?

  Space bells?

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't think they have a name for the group yet, but yes, I just got the Darth Vader one, didn't come in yet.

• 1:43:44Jocko Willink?

  Oh.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  It's like a stormtrooper Darth Vader. There's a Boba Fett one, which is dope.

• 1:43:49Jocko Willink?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  But I'm, I'm gonna get all three. I'll report back, nonetheless. Anyway, on it.com slash Jaco, that's where you can get this good stuff, a lot of good stuff.

• 1:43:57Jocko Willink?

  Got a bunch of books. Uh, the book to order right now is Way the Warrior Kid 3, Where There's a Will.

• 1:44:07Jocko Willink?

  That book comes out May 28th, so we're talking, you better order it now. Cause it's probably gonna sell out and I'll have to print more.

• 1:44:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't forget about the first two though.

• 1:44:18Jocko Willink?

  And then the first two, yep, we got Way the Warrior Kid.

• 1:44:23Jocko Willink?

  From Wimpy to Warrior. The Navy SEAL Way. And then you got Mark's Mission. And Mark's Mission is your daughter's favorite?

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Correct, yes. She sleeps with it.

• 1:44:33Jocko Willink?

  Hmm.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  Strange, yeah. Not a stuffed animal, by the way. It's a book, it's a hardcover book, not the most physically cozy, which I'm not opposed to physically cozy. But yes, sleeps with it. Yeah, her favorite book straight up, yes.

• 1:44:47Jocko Willink?

  That's awesome. So that's Way the Warrior Kid and Mark's Mission, teaching good

• 1:44:55Jocko Willink?

  things to children and they need it these days. And also you got Mikey and the Dragons. That one is for a little bit younger crowd. And then on top of that, of course, we got the Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual for, which is for everyone.

• 1:45:11Jocko Willink?

  Teaches you how to get after it. The audio is on iTunes and Google Play and Amazon Music. And then Extreme Ownership, Dichotomy and Leadership, which I wrote with my brother Leif Babin. You can get these books to

• 1:45:24Jocko Willink?

  Learn about leadership and you can also get these books and give them to the people that work for you or the people that you work for so that you all become better leaders. On top of that, we have Echelon Front. That's my leadership consultancy and what we do is we solve problems through leadership. If you've got a company, if you've got a business, if you've got a team and you've got problems at that team, the problems are due to one thing and one thing only and that's leadership. So if you want to get those problems fixed at your team, go to echelonfront.com. We got the muster. Chicago sold out already. In fact, it might be on during

• 1:46:04Jocko Willink?

  this. Oh no, we're listening to it right now. So Chicago and then we've got Denver, September 19th and 20th. We got Sydney, December 4th and 5th. Extreme ownership.com if you want to come. They're all going to sell out. So try and sign up early. Otherwise, you're going to miss it. The one in Sydney, by the way, I think we, I think the place that we got down there, I want to say it's less than 400 people. So that place is going to sell out quick. Not to mention it's our first time going to Australia for a muster. So it's going to get crazy quick. So if you want to come, try and sign up early. EF online. This is online training. If you can't come to, if you can't come to the muster,

• 1:46:49Jocko Willink?

  if you can't come to the muster, or let's say, and this is the reason we created it is because we work with companies that have 62,000 employees and they say, hey Jaco, can you train all of our employees? They're around the world. And I say, no, I can't. No, I actually say, stand by. Let me talk to you in a month. And then it's, hey, we created and it didn't take a month. It took a lot longer than a month. Took us about, it took us about nine months to get it out. But it's online interactive leadership training. Get your whole organization on the same page. And if you're an individual and you want it, you can get it too. It's efonline.com. And then we've got EF Overwatch where we're taking special operations and combat aviation leaders off the battlefield and putting

• 1:47:32Jocko Willink?

  them into companies so that they can help those companies lead. And a lot of times people think, well, what is some, what is some special forces guy going to know about?

• 1:47:45Jocko Willink?

  Manufacturing. Trust me, you put him in there, it's not about manufacturing, he'll learn about the manufacturing. But what he's gonna know, what he knows how to do right now is he knows how to lead. And he's gonna turn that organization around. So, that's efoverwatch.com.

• 1:48:04Jocko Willink?

  Where we can get you your leadership.

• 1:48:05Speaker 01

  If also, we're on the internet, interwebs, which is also called the internet, by the way. I think you already knew that. Nonetheless, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. I'm at Echo Charles.

• 1:48:17Jocko Willink?

  What was that last one?

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  Facebooky boha.

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  I'm at Echo Charles, Jaco's at Jocko Willink.

• 1:48:24Jocko Willink?

  And, thanks to everyone out there that.

• 1:48:29Jocko Willink?

  Everyone out there that has fought and does fight for our freedom.

• 1:48:35Jocko Willink?

  Standing up against these. Evil regimes in the world and putting your life on the line to defend.

• 1:48:45Jocko Willink?

  To defend our ideal. Which is freedom. And here at home, thanks to police and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics and EMTs and dispatchers and correctional officers and border patrol, secret service and all the other first responders. Thanks to you as well for keeping us safe. Here at home and everyone else out there.

• 1:49:13Jocko Willink?

  Remember this code that we talked about.

• 1:49:17Jocko Willink?

  Remember what it meant to people. And remember the will that it instilled in those people, a will so strong that they faced death without fear. And then remember the will. The will that overcame that code.

• 1:49:39Jocko Willink?

  Was the will of freedom. The will that says, "I will bow down to no man."

• 1:49:48Jocko Willink?

  The will to stand up, no matter what kind of evil death cult there was that attacked and tried to enslave the world.

• 1:49:59Jocko Willink?

  That evil was overcome by the strength of freedom and the will to get up.

• 1:50:09Jocko Willink?

  And no matter what.

• 1:50:13Jocko Willink?

  Get after it.

• 1:50:16Jocko Willink?

  And until next time. This is Echo and Jaco. Out.