The Snack: Later Daters, Controversial Killer, and Is Eras Really Over?

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: Our thoughts on Wicked + the unhinged press tour The Eras tour is over…or is it? New stats on female bosses The United CEO shooter Logan Ury joins us to talk about Neflix's The Later Daters Follow Logan on Instagram @loganury and watch The Later Daters on Netflix. Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for tour dates, merchandise, and more. Thank you to our partners this week: Storyworth: Get $10 off your first purchase at http://storyworth.com/gge. Boll and Branch: Get 25% off + free shipping on your first set of sheets at https://bollandbranch.com/gge. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Welcome to the snack, a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This is a Dear Media production. Enjoy.

• 0:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Hey guys.

• 0:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi guys. We are here at Dear Media.

• 0:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Cause I.

• 0:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  As we transition.

• 0:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, transition to a new studio. Our studio is at my new house in boxes.

• 0:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 0:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Stay tuned for the new year and we will be back in our new home studio.

• 0:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so we're here. We're glad to be here. And just to remind you guys, tomorrow, we start our run of holiday shows. So just FYI, final shows of the year. And they will be this weekend in New York and next weekend in Boston. We still have a few tickets left for tomorrow's show in New York and the late Friday show in Boston. And you can get tickets at girlsgottaeat.com.

• 0:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, we're so excited, you guys. The outfits, most of the outfits, the performers, the guests.

• 0:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  All every, everything we do will be at all five of these shows. And the outfits, yes, it has been a real journey.

• 1:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Outfit prepping. I feel like I'm meal prepping. I have like little, like little outfits in like little compartments.

• 1:08Rayna Greenberg?

  You get ahead of it way more than I do. And like this time of year is the worst because everything sells out because everybody wants holiday outfits. And you and Tessa kept being like, don't forget, Tessa reminded me every day, did you get your Christmas outfits attached? Did you get your outfits to the holiday shows? And I kept being like, it'll be fine. Cause I just, I moved out of my house. Yeah, I'm like renovating. I just, the list is so long. And so I was just like, I'll just deal with it. And then like two nights ago, I got online. This was the most I told you so in the whole world. I was like, oh, everything's sold out.

• 1:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, week of the show, this is on you. I mean, you have been busy. You have an excuse.

• 1:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like, I'll wrap myself in tinfoil. I don't care.

• 1:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Oh, yes.

• 1:41Rayna Greenberg?

  People will understand.

• 1:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Thank you for that reminder that the themes are silver and gold for New York and red and green for Boston Celtics green. Do any green, but you guys get it.

• 1:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I have a Celtics green dress.

• 1:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  You get why we chose it.

• 1:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Anyways, we'll thank our partners and we'll get into it. We have a really fun episode for you guys today. Thanks to Boll and Branch, get 25% off and free shipping on your first set of sheets at bollandbranch.com/ug.

• 2:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Should've sheets?

• 2:06Rayna Greenberg?

  What I said.

• 2:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't have a list anymore, okay?

• 2:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  So what's your, so then what's your excuse?

• 2:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I said, I said, fine, bring it back.

• 2:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, and thank you to Story Worth. Get $10 off your first purchase at storyworth.com/gge. I got DMs about Story Worth, like people being like, hey, where's the discount?

• 2:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, really?

• 2:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 2:25Rayna Greenberg?

  It's the best holiday gift.

• 2:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sit around and wait for the GGE discount.

• 2:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like, okay, so we want to kick it off with a wicked report.

• 2:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina, you didn't know about John Travolta and the Wicked thing?

• 2:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I had no idea what you were talking about.

• 2:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you know, Tessa? Adel DeZeeem?

• 2:41Rayna Greenberg?

  No way? I laughed, classic. Actually, I saw our first movie, our third movie together. What have we seen? It Ends With Us, Barbie, and last night we saw Wicked. We're like behind in times. We usually are like night one, we go see something.

• 2:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, we were late. So I'll just kick it off with saying when Kristen Chenoweth and Idina Menzel come on screen, A, I was like, that's me and Raina.

• 3:04Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm always Kristen Chenoweth.

• 3:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Tall brunette, short blonde, you're the good witch, I'm the bad witch. Like, it just really tracks. But, and then afterwards, I was like, I loved seeing Adel DeZeeem. And you were like, say what? And I was like, you don't know Adel DeZeeem? So when John Travolta presented her at whatever, award show so many years ago, he was like, "And now the wickedly talented Adel DeZeeem."

• 3:27Speaker 02

  The wickedly talented, one and only Adel DeZeeem.

• 3:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Tessa, you don't know this either?

• 3:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  But the wickedly talented.

• 3:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I, you guys, I finished like a bottle of wine by myself last night at the theater. And when we walked out, I was drunk, I was, oh my god. I was laughing so hard. I like, I thought I was gonna fall over.

• 3:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  So can we just talk about the guy sitting next to me?

• 3:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, it was...

• 3:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is our wicked report, is actually just the people in the theater.

• 3:55Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys, this was crazy.

• 3:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we were sitting, like us and our friend Lisa, and there wasn't anyone really down the row from me. If someone was in that row, they were all the way at the end. I loved it. We just, I don't like to be near people because they annoy me.

• 4:09Rayna Greenberg?

  And this is a dine-in theater, so the seats are really large to begin with. We had less space.

• 4:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  So about 10 minutes in, this couple comes in, late. How are you? You late, by the way, because there's 30 minutes of previews. I'm sorry, I actually have no. There's no excuse to be late to a movie these days because when I tell you that obviously the showtime was 7 o'clock and the movie started at 7:30. How are you showing up to a 7 o'clock movie at 7:40?

• 4:32Rayna Greenberg?

  That's the funniest thing.

• 4:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  So already you're the worst. This couple sits down and the guy reclines his seat. So it's like all the leather squeaking. It sounds like a bunch of farts, which is fine. All the recliners squeak and then he starts breathing. It was the loudest, if he's really dealing with some sickness or illness, like I want to make space for that.

• 4:52Rayna Greenberg?

  No, he should have stayed home.

• 4:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like, no, I mean chronic, like if he just can't help himself in the world, but that was not it. It was like this guy had a cold or whatever. It was like snoring almost. It was just, what is the word I'm looking for? It was just like.

• 5:05Rayna Greenberg?

  It was nose gargling. It was just like.

• 5:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 5:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Slem and listen, you're more sensitive to sounds than I am. I can ignore stuff all the time that you hear. Like you're like a dog, like you have that high pitched ear thing. Like I can hear things. So when you look at me and you're like, this guy's so loud, his breathing. I was like, I literally don't hear anything. I don't know what you're talking about.

• 5:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like sniffling. I get it. You got the sniffles. I get the sniffles. It was his actual just inhaling and exhaling was like a snore.

• 5:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, you're like, I can't deal with this guy's breathing. I'm going to move. So you get up and moved away from me and I was like, she's being so sensitive.

• 5:36Rayna Greenberg?

  And you moved to the other side of Lisa and I was like, and then, I don't know, you must have been like the sound barrier between me and that guy. Because I've never heard somebody make that kind of noise on an airplane in a movie theater. It was gurgling snot in his nose to the point that there was no more seats left. So I had to get up and change rows.

• 5:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. I went to the, she went to row B. We were in row C and I'm sorry, he's there with a woman. He's her responsibility. How do you come with your man and let him breathe like that?

• 5:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I really can't believe somebody didn't take control of him. Crazy. There was two empty rows and I had to go sit by myself in an empty row. I was drunk, staggering up there alone.

• 6:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Sit in the handjob row if you're going to breathe like that. Like that is so crazy to sit in row C. Also, the movie was so loud. The fact that I can hear your breathing over this movie, over the Dolby sound, surround sound. I can hear your, this man breathing.

• 6:21Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys, that was the loudest movie I've ever been to. We sat down and I was like, I've never heard a movie this loud. I go to a lot of movies. So that was our wicked report, you guys.

• 6:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, no, I loved it. I thought it was phenomenal. I saw the musical so many years ago, not the original cast, so, you know, sorry. But I really loved it. I mean, I felt really confused at the end. Like, I kind of, I was like, where's the rest of the story? Like, I guess I'm not in the culture enough, but I was like, does she save the animals? You know, like, I was like, I need to know what happens next. I was like, is that Wizard of Oz? Or is there something in between? Like, I just felt confused. But I guess I just don't, I don't know enough.

• 6:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so Tessa has let us know that this is the first act. Would you've seen it?

• 6:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  So many years ago.

• 6:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I read the book and I don't know.

• 6:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I honestly probably, has this been around for 10 years? I think I saw it so, so long ago. Okay, so this is the first half of the musical on Broadway, but it was still two and a half hours.

• 7:09Rayna Greenberg?

  It was like, three hours. I mean, I loved it. I really enjoy, I'm not like a Broadway theater kind of person. It generally is the last thing I'll typically spend money on in time, but I loved it. I thought it was great. I loved the costumes and the singing and the acting. I thought it was cast so well, but it was long.

• 7:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 7:25Rayna Greenberg?

  It was really long.

• 7:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I loved it too. I mean, there's just like so much symbolism, especially in like our political landscape. I saw that some people were critiquing it for being too woke. You know how I feel. Just say you're racist and homophobic and go. And then it's like, go woke, go broke. It's like, it's the highest grossing adaptation of a Broadway musical of all time. It has grossed about 500 million worldwide.

• 7:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Wow.

• 7:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I really liked it. And I just have, the press tour is just...

• 7:49Rayna Greenberg?

  So, I thought we missed our moment to talk about this, because this has been one of the most unhinged press tours, not one of those, the most unhinged press tour.

• 7:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, hold on, maybe second to that one with, um, Don't Worry Darling. Was that, like, was that the one where?

• 8:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Don't Worry Darling, and then maybe this, maybe it ends with us. But that was, like, dramatic. Okay, so anyway.

• 8:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Don't Worry Darling was just like, a lot of infighting with the cast. And then, yeah, it ends with us, obviously, like, all that drama. But this, with two actors, so Cynthia Erivo, Ariana Grande, if somehow you've missed this, have done a series of interviews for this. They're holding hands, they're crying, they're touching each other. I mean, the voices about every, I mean, that's how Ariana Grande sounds, but it was deeply unhinged to watch, just in general. I've never seen anything like this before. The amount of crying and hand-holding.

• 8:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, they're just really emotional about it. Like, I feel like if I had watched so much press before I saw the movie, and then once you see the movie, you're like, they are gonna be on each other.

• 8:47Rayna Greenberg?

  You and I have done a lot of interviews together. We never touched like that.

• 8:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina, it couldn't be me. There is nothing less relatable to me than the way they're acting in these interviews, just because it's so not my personality, you know, but the whole thing of they were interviewing with that one journalist, and she said people are really holding space for the lyrics of "Defying Gravity," and Ariana Grande has no idea what she is saying, and Cynthia Revo does, and she's like, gets really emotional. She's like, I had no idea people were doing that. And like, the journalist is basically referring to the queer community, and Cynthia Revo really feels that. But like, you watch Ariana Grande's face, and she is like, oh no, I hope I don't have to speak on this. And it's so funny, because even if I didn't know what that meant, I feel like I could figure it out. I feel like I could figure out that this song meant a lot to a lot of people,

• 9:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  and that's what it means. And I'm not criticizing. I think it's hilarious that she also came out and admitted, like, I didn't know.

• 9:39Rayna Greenberg?

  So, it's interesting, because I was like, do people not know what "hold space" means? I say it all the time, but I'm an LA person now. Like, it isn't a very LA thing to say, but Ariana Grande is an LA person. Like, if anybody should know what that means, it's her. And her explanation for what happened was also just as confusing. She said she said something that meant something to her, and that it meant something totally different to Cynthia, and then she tried to kind of get somewhere else with it. I remember in the moment, I asked myself, am I okayed, and I not hear something? She was saying something, and then we were crying about it again. Like, it was, the explanation for not understanding, it was so convoluted.

• 10:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so, we just thought that was really funny. But I've enjoyed watching it. I mean, it's like, they're still in character, in a way, and I'm for it.

• 10:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Very much, yeah. Ariana Grande did an interview with Drew Barrymore, who, you want to talk about, like, unhinged interview style? But we love her, we're such a fan. We've been on her podcast, we've been on her show, we love her so much. But watching her interview people, it's hysterical, because she's on the ground, and she's touching them, and she's like, men, women.

• 10:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Nose to nose.

• 10:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Hands all over their bodies. And Ariana Grande, like, she might have met her match with Ariana Grande.

• 10:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Did you see that?

• 10:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. They had this really sweet moment where-

• 10:51Rayna Greenberg?

  It was. All right, you send it to me.

• 10:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I sent it to you where Ariana Grande was like, kind of talking about how Drew has been in show business this whole time and she's such a good person and all that stuff. That is so funny. She's met her match. They're trying to one up each other. That's like an SNL sketch. Has SNL parodied Drew Barrymore?

• 11:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Somebody has.

• 11:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is very funny to think that she would have a guest on that is more physically affectionate than her and they're just like fucking by the end of it.

• 11:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean Drew Barrymore is like stroking people's faces as they're talking and Ariana Grande is like Drew like goes to hug her and Ariana's still talking through the hug.

• 11:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  The mic gets muffled, yeah.

• 11:24Rayna Greenberg?

  She's just like, no, I'm gonna get through this. She just keeps talking. It's hysterical.

• 11:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so anyway, we loved Wicked and we loved the Adele Desim and Kristin Chenoweth cameos.

• 11:36Rayna Greenberg?

  They also did some interviews that were a little unhinged and were crying.

• 11:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  They did, they were part of this press tour. It was crazy. No, one of the four of them was so emotional.

• 11:46Rayna Greenberg?

  So crying.

• 11:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so dramatic. Like, it's, listen, like, I couldn't be an actor because I don't have it in me to like, kind of be that serious. You know, like Cynthia Revo stops, she goes, you know what I just realized? We have been listening to you for so long. And then everyone starts crying. Like, it's just like, every, every interview is a therapy session.

• 12:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, and it's like, I understand if it's like one, like, I could see a situation where like you and I are being interviewed and like, one of us starts crying, we're not gonna touch each other. I would touch people, but it's not you. But I can see a situation where you and I are crying, but like, if we had to do that same interview five more times in the same day, the crying would stop.

• 12:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, right. Yeah, no, they're keeping it up. They're in it, they're in it to win it, so.

• 12:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Honestly, it's genius.

• 12:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, we're not criticizing, like, I'm loving all of it, love the movie, love the press tour, I can't get enough of it. Okay, well, speaking of tours, it is the end of an era.

• 12:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Literally.

• 12:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  The era's tour has come to an end.

• 12:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Taylor Swift ended it in Vancouver this past weekend. I wanted to go so badly. Like, I had moved into the house on Saturday. I was on a plane to Vancouver.

• 12:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm glad you didn't.

• 12:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Why?

• 12:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because you went to the best one.

• 12:57Rayna Greenberg?

  So we were talking in the car last night, like, I was so shocked by the lack of coverage of this last show, because I thought something crazy would happen.

• 13:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Crazy would happen, yeah.

• 13:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought, like, the craziest guests you've ever seen in your life. I know Travis Kelce had a game that night. Part of me was like, I wonder if he'll, like, propose the last show. And then I was like, you know what, this is her moment to celebrate herself professionally.

• 13:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, that's like a guy proposing on, like, your graduation day or some shit. No, no.

• 13:19Rayna Greenberg?

  That's how I meant. So I was like, alright, this is her moment. He shouldn't, like, steal it. And then I was like, oh, he has a game. He's, like, not even gonna be there. Like, all these guests have been on all these shows. I thought that, like, she would maybe do it in, like, Nashville. Isn't she from Nashville? Like, we were talking about, like, why was... We love Vancouver, but I thought it was an interesting pick for the last show of the tour.

• 13:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I watched Kate Kennedy and Nikki Glaser's stories, and it just seemed like a regular show, in the best way. All the shows are iconic. You know, no one has walked away and been like, man, we got a real dud. You know, I mean, I feel like that if I was in the rain. You know me. But, Raina, like, we were talking about this last night, like, when you went to the show in London that Travis Kelce came out, I thought that was gonna be a new shtick. I was like, oh, he's gonna be at all the London shows, or, oh, this is gonna be a thing here and there. It happened once. Raina was there. Like, I can't even believe that. And, like, again, I don't want to act like a man is the best part of the tour, but still, that was pretty crazy. And I would say that's, like, one of the wilder things that happened. And that show was so iconic in so many other ways. Like, you went to that show.

• 14:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I went to the show of the tour. I really was, like, bummed that this was gonna keep happening. I was like, I just want this to be special for me. And then it just was. And, like, he was just her backup dancer. It was insane. You want to walk out there to a whole dance routine with her, carry her around with his top on? I'm just like, I cannot believe that I got to be there for this cultural moment. It was the biggest cultural moment of the biggest cultural thing. And then it just, like, ended. I feel like I just, we needed more.

• 14:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, this tour started in, drumroll please, March 17th, 2023. This tour has been almost two years. I was single when this tour started. I'm engaged now.

• 14:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Shit.

• 14:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was a different person. We had just moved to LA. I lived in West Hollywood. I was on the pill. I was dating Task Rabbits. Like, I was a different... I'm engaged.

• 15:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Nothing in my life has changed.

• 15:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, stop. You bought a home. You got something new, probably, surgery-wise.

• 15:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Have I had a boob job since then?

• 15:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. You got your chin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:19Rayna Greenberg?

  My chin. I got a chin, actually, I'm Beyoncé.

• 15:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, you already had your chin.

• 15:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly. I was a trailblazer on the chin.

• 15:29Rayna Greenberg?

  But she did. She did 51 cities worldwide and 150 shows.

• 15:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  See, I read that. This was from the New York Times. 149 shows, which it's like, what?

• 15:39Rayna Greenberg?

  You think there's gonna be like one more?

• 15:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  You think there's gonna be another secret show?

• 15:44Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Tessa Theory exclusive, and I'm behind it. There was 149 shows, ended in Vancouver. Her birthday is this Friday.

• 15:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have chills.

• 15:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Travis Kelce was not at the show. There weren't huge guests.

• 15:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys, I am hot.

• 15:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Blake Lively was not there. Gigi Hadid was not there. All the people we've come to expect being there. If she does a show, where is she gonna do it?

• 16:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  What is it gonna be?

• 16:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I will skip our show. You guys, if it is Saturday night, I might not go to the holiday show.

• 16:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so funny, because I'm trying to think of a joke and of a big stadium, but she's done the biggest. Where would it be? Like, the Colosseum in Rome?

• 16:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't. I think you. What if she does it at Kansas City Stadium?

• 16:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ugh.

• 16:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Please, no. And so this was a post Elite Daily posted, and it said, "I don't think we realize just how much has gone down since the start of the Eras Tour. With only two shows left, let's refresh." They posted this, you know, towards the end. March 17th, 2023, Eras Tour opening night in Glendale, Arizona. April 8th, 2023, Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn breakup announced. May 3rd, 2023, Matt Healy and Taylor reportedly start dating. Like, I forgot about Matt Healy.

• 16:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I didn't forget about it, because she has since written an entire album about Matt Healy.

• 16:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. And then June 5th, 2023, the pair reportedly break up. At this point, I have a boyfriend. So, you know, I too, I got a boyfriend. May 7th, first Eras Rain show. September 24th, 2023, Taylor makes her first Chiefs game appearance, marking the start of her and Travis Kelce's relationship.

• 17:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I have chills.

• 17:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  October 11th, 2023, Taylor Swift, the Eras Tour movie premiere. A few other things. There's some Sabrina Carpenter, then some records broken. The Grammys, the Tortured Poets Department announcement. That was February 4th, 2024.

• 17:26Rayna Greenberg?

  A whole album has come out.

• 17:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. April 3rd, she becomes the first billionaire from music alone. May 9th, she adds the Tortured Poets Department to Eras' set list. June 23rd, Raina knows, Taylor brings Travis onstage for her London show. The bodysuit debuted on October 18th, 2024, the Reputation bodysuit. It's crazy to.

• 17:46Rayna Greenberg?

  It's crazy.

• 17:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, think of what has happened. Like, it is the best-selling tour of all time, $2 billion in total tickets and then some change, double the gross ticket sales of any other concert tour in history. And there's, it's not the longest tour in history.

• 18:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Is it not? I was gonna ask you.

• 18:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I told Tessa to do some research. I saw 30 Seconds to Mars did a two-year tour.

• 18:07Rayna Greenberg?

  People want that?

• 18:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  But they're not as big. I'm talking big, like, of her stadium tour. Like, who is, is she the longest?

• 18:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Jay-Z and Beyonce did two on-the-run tours, right?

• 18:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  But no.

• 18:16Rayna Greenberg?

  But they were broken up, and they, neither one of them was specific, was like, crazy long, right?

• 18:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  So Tessa just reported that Elton John has the longest one. It was like, five years. And second is currently happening, and that's Coldplay. And then this is the third. And we love some of the headlines about the bonuses she gave. She gave like $200 million in bonuses to her performers and her crew, which we love to see that generosity. And then that also brings us to a headline we saw recently that says, "After years of favoring male bosses, workers increasingly prefer female leadership." So, women bosses, and she's one of the best.

• 18:49Rayna Greenberg?

  She is one of the very few people, you've just never heard a bad thing about her. Like, it would, like, break my heart to hear that, like, she treated people poorly. It's just not gonna happen.

• 18:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it's not gonna happen. That was a post about women bosses we saw on the skim, and that data came from the Wall Street Journal. And it's just that people are wanting more women to be in management, be in charge, be their bosses, and we love to see it, obviously.

• 19:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I have had some negative experiences with female bosses, but since then, I think there's just been a lot of reform in the workplace and talking about what motivates people and how to speak to people and how to manage employees in general.

• 19:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 19:23Rayna Greenberg?

  And I think that, like, women are also more empowered in the workplace than they were before to be in charge and to be bosses. And I think maybe people thought before, like, I have to be a bitch to be in charge. And I don't think that that's how things are anymore.

• 19:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mm-hmm. Shout out to the biggest boss in the touring industry, Taylor Swift, and her tour, and we will see what's to come. I am dying thinking about the thought of this, like, 150th show.

• 19:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, Rachel Abrams should be there. Like, I just, all these people should be there.

• 19:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, you're so right. And like, I hate to... Upset anyone who went to Vancouver and is like, what? Like, I thought I was going to the final show and there's still one more. I'm sure it was incredible show, but yes, you're right. It just doesn't, something is not sitting right.

• 20:03Rayna Greenberg?

  The finality of it doesn't, it doesn't feel final. Okay. Well, stay tuned. This is Tess's one to watch.

• 20:09Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 23:04Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 23:06Rayna Greenberg?

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• 23:31Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 23:33Rayna Greenberg?

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• 23:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so the story sweeping the nation. The CEO of United Healthcare, the most corrupt of all the health insurance companies, was gunned down on December 4th, 6:45 a.m. as he was walking into work. And it's just been a firestorm of headlines since. And you know, I just want to, I, I, I feel like we have to like just kind of say a disclaimer up top about all of this. And like, we're going to talk about some of the like lighter aspects of it, which is what is like sweeping the internet. But murder is not the answer, you know, just like war is not the answer. We're not going to celebrate murder, not publicly, like a lot of people.

• 24:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't think it's funny that somebody got gunned down in the street.

• 24:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's, it's chilling, like someone got murdered in cold blood, you know. But that being said, this CEO, along with all the other multimillionaire CEOs of healthcare companies.

• 24:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Who make millions of dollars, $10 million salary for this guy and deny people coverage, have blood on their hands. Like, I can't not say this. This is something I think about all the time. I think about our healthcare system all the time. United Healthcare was making $30 billion in profit. Profit. Like, revenue $300 billion. Meanwhile, billions and billions of dollars, CEO making $10 million, denying people coverage, denying 30% of claims, using AI software because it would deny more claims. Like, on top of all the other controversy, like, our system is so fucked, but they are denying people life-saving care, just like a lot of other companies, but they're on like, the top, top when it comes to the worst. And I don't know how you sleep at night doing that. I think they all have blood on their

• 25:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  hands. And I'm not saying this is like, he deserved it. These are separate facts, you know, so it plays into why people have celebrated it and why people don't have empathy, because, and it has brought a really important conversation to light. I think we've all known how fucked up our system is, but I have not been able to stop thinking about billions and billions of dollars in revenue and a child with cancer is getting denied for his nausea medicine. And doctors are begging them to approve it. Like, I could cry thinking about it. Like, I was talking to a doctor friend last night about how sick and twisted the system is. So, let's just say that as we get into the discussion.

• 25:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I think that people, the public reaction has been really fascinating to watch.

• 25:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  No empathy.

• 25:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Really interesting, like, cultural study. I mean,

• 26:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 26:00Rayna Greenberg?

  People are really proud of this. They're, they're excited about it. They think it's funny. They caught him yesterday and I went to his Instagram, you sent it to me, and he was getting followers by the tens of thousands. And it was just exploding. The comments were, like, proud of him. It was giddy. People were so excited.

• 26:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's a hero.

• 26:17Rayna Greenberg?

  His Instagram has since been disabled, so you can't get it now, but people are really excited about this. And it's just, it's interesting, because I don't, I don't celebrate a person being gunned down in the streets. I don't think that's the answer to anything, but people, I don't know how I'd feel if I had a child that was denied coverage, if I had a parent that was denied coverage, you know? I mean, this is really, you're talking about people's lives here.

• 26:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Two things can be true. Like, you, you don't celebrate someone's murder, but this was probably a real sick fuck, you know, that feels comfortable, having such a disgusting system denying people healthcare, is trying to deny people more healthcare using a faulty AI service so people don't get the medication they need to live?

• 26:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 26:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, like, if you're gonna pick the worst CEO in healthcare, that's the guy. So, that's why people are like, I've never seen so little empathy for something and I, you know, I feel like I'm on the right side of the internet. I feel like the accounts that I follow, the comment sections, like, people have empathy. I'm not following a bunch of, like, I know what I'm seeing when I'm in these comments, because I think the comment section is very telling on, like, the, on public opinion. And you gotta think about, like, where this comes from. And so, we just wanted to say that up top, and now, let's get into it. Let's talk about Luigi.

• 27:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because I will say, this man, who was flirting at a hostel, and then got Starbucks, and then murdered someone in cold blood at 7:00 a.m., and then hopped on a city bike through Central Park, is the most unhinged shit I've ever heard of. To hop on a city bike, to hop on a city bike in Central Park after doing that?

• 27:50Rayna Greenberg?

  No, this guy had alternative options. And also, by the way, Luigi Magioni, he, he's an Ivy League-educated kid. He is smart. He isn't like, "I wonder how things work." He went to Starbucks and got caught on tape. He took a city bike, and then he got caught, finally, please, at a McDonald's. Does this guy not know the Grubhub exists? Well, caviar. There's a thousand delivery services. He was chilling at a McDonald's with a mask on and a computer and one of the, one of the-

• 28:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  With his gun on him?

• 28:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 28:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Why is your gun not at the bottom of the Hudson? Why did you not fling it out while you're hitting the, while you're, while you're city biking down the West Side Highway, sir?

• 28:29Rayna Greenberg?

  This guy loves big brands. For somebody who really hates these corporate America, he really-

• 28:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not Starbucks!

• 28:40Rayna Greenberg?

  City bank bike, McDonald's, Starbucks, the biggest corporations in America.

• 28:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not the corporate hate and the Starbucks and McDonald's.

• 28:48Rayna Greenberg?

  He could have supported a small, local business.

• 28:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's a hypocrite.

• 28:54Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what he is.

• 28:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm sorry, Luigi. Oh, you're so mad at corporate America. Why are you McDonald's then? Why are you at Starbucks? Why are you on a city bike? Couldn't run one from a local business?

• 29:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Couldn't steal one from a kid. You found out when this guy was gonna be walking into the building and you wrote on the bullets. I mean, you really planned this out. And he's like, "I'll get caught at Starbucks on camera."

• 29:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  The messaging on the bullets, when that dropped, which it said, "Delay, deny, depose", which is about the healthcare system, like, how do you even know you could write on a bullet with a Sharpie? Like, this movie, well, now I know, but like, the Monopoly money in the backpack, like, everything is just straight out of a movie. And I don't know why he didn't flee farther. Like, why is he in Pennsylvania?

• 29:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Why is he in Altoona?

• 29:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, but like-

• 29:34Rayna Greenberg?

  He gets Altoona from New York City in an hour and a half.

• 29:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like-

• 29:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't get it. And it took them, by the way, a week to catch him.

• 29:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 29:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Why didn't he leave?

• 29:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  So that's my question for you. So, do you think, like, if you kill somebody, every moment that passes is like, "I might get caught"? You know, like, you are just terrified that you might not get away with this, but every minute has got to feel like an hour, a week, it took a week, a week's got to feel like a lifetime. Like, do you think when he was at McDonald's, he just thought he got away with it? Do you think he was reading the comments? He was like, "Oh, they're not coming for me. I'm America's hero"? Like, do you think that it just like, if you kill somebody in that way, so brazen, and a week goes by, do you think you just thought you got away with it? Because why is your gun with you at McDonald's?

• 30:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, not just got away with it, the entire country was on like a manhunt for this person. It was the biggest story in the news.

• 30:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I wouldn't say that. I think a few people-

• 30:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I should say the opposite. I honestly, I'm surprised-

• 30:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  The whole country was, "Call off the manhunt."

• 30:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I was, okay, I'm gonna walk it back. It was the biggest story on social media and in the news. I can't believe, who was this McDonald's employee that narked him out?

• 30:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  So people say Chick-fil-A wouldn't have snitched.

• 30:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Pizza Hut wouldn't have snitched on Luigi.

• 30:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm in the shade room comments, obviously. Like, the comments are so funny. Someone said this would ever happen at Waffle House. People said he's America's least wanted. People say he looks like a Jonas Brother. Oh, guess what? This is the headline I want to tell you. People bombed that McDonald's reviews. Google had to take it down.

• 31:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  So everybody bombed the Altoona McDonald's reviews, it comes from Reuters, that Google had to step in and pull the reviews. Which they do very occasionally if a place is getting review bombed based on like a political situation or something like that. Can you, can you believe that? People are so mad about this snitch at McDonald's.

• 31:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I've just, I've never, I'm sorry if you guys missed his Instagram before they took it down. I mean, tens of thousands of comments.

• 31:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  The prison photos are where it's at. Can they stop taking these? Cause they're just hotter than the Netflix.

• 31:32Rayna Greenberg?

  He's too hot.

• 31:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  The one in the cell, you guys.

• 31:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  I saw this, this meme that was like, do you think they keep trying to get a bad picture? And they're like, forget it. He's too hot.

• 31:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I saw the mugshot and then I saw the picture in the cell. I'm like, this is laughable how good looking he is for what the situation is.

• 31:56Rayna Greenberg?

  He looks like Jason Tardik. I mean, he looks like he should be on The Bachelor.

• 32:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, they need to stop releasing his photos. Everyone's too horny.

• 32:04Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, the camera he got caught on at Starbucks is so crazy. The surveillance camera, it's blurry. He has a hood on and he still looks sexy. Do you know ugly I look at the airport on those surveillance cameras?

• 32:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I have to tell you, I have a friend, I'm not gonna name her by name. She's the first one that broke the news that he was hot. Like, she texted the group chat and she was like, I feel like I can only share this with you guys. Do you think this guy that shot the United CEO was kinda hot? And I read it first thing in the morning and I thought she meant the United CEO. And I was like,

• 32:35Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I thought she meant too.

• 32:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I was like, oh my God, I have to not be friends with you.

• 32:38Rayna Greenberg?

  We're not the same.

• 32:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  That guy is terrifying looking. He looks like a bad person. R.I.P. But it's crazy, like, I, I, we can link this AP article. It's a timeline that is every single thing he did from November 24th, like, by the hour up until he got caught yesterday. Like, there's cameras everywhere. Like, I mean, we're not China. Like, we're not completely under surveillance in, in certain, like, other countries are. But everybody knows what he did this whole time. Like, I don't know what he thought. If there was part of him that was like, if this is how I go out, that's fine. Like, I, I don't know. But like, I read this and I was like, shot. Just like November 24th, this is when he arrives in New York City on the Greyhound bus. You know, 11:00 PM, he takes a taxi. Like, he, everybody has now, like, law enforcement has now figured out what he did all along the way. Like, it's hard to get away with this shit.

• 33:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, in New York City especially, there's not a single business in New York that's not a camera out there. There's security cameras literally everywhere, and I don't understand why he like, used public transportation and just like, went to Altoona.

• 33:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mm-hmm. Like, why are you not in Bali?

• 33:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't, I think that, so he, he left a manifesto, and I have not like, gotten into it. They say it's similar to the Unabomber. He's like, very smart, long.

• 33:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  He likes his books. Isn't his Goodreads public?

• 33:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, they made his Goodreads public.

• 33:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is so...

• 33:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Why are they...

• 33:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Goodreads? I'm sorry, but the media is making him too sexy. They were like, also, he reads.

• 34:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a media problem. Why are they making him America's hard rock?

• 34:06Rayna Greenberg?

  They released his like, Peloton stats. I'm gonna lose my mind.

• 34:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, when they say he went to the Eras Tour.

• 34:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I wanna know what his Sweetgreen order is.

• 34:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  When they tell us which era show he went to, and show his friendship bracelets, it's over. We're getting him out.

• 34:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I wanna see his Amazon wishlist.

• 34:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Uh, alright, well, yeah, so I think we covered it all. It's shocking to see how little people care that someone who is responsible for other people's deaths got murdered in such a way, and it has turned into a riveting story.

• 34:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, from day one, cuz I remember, my whole feed was about this the first day, and I remember saying to you, like, I don't understand why this is like, such a big story.

• 34:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my god, I'm eating...

• 34:54Rayna Greenberg?

  People get killed every day. Not that that's, it's not great, but like, it was my entire feed.

• 34:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it, it took me a minute to, it was the first thing I saw when I woke up on that day, and I, for a split second, I was like, why is this such a whole, big deal? And then I was like, this is a huge deal. This does not happen.

• 35:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 35:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Broad daylight, New York City, some CEO just gets shot in the back. Like, this is actually so insane.

• 35:13Rayna Greenberg?

  So insane.

• 35:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, alright.

• 35:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll forward to more prison photos.

• 35:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  And more details on his life.

• 35:21Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 35:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, we actually have one more fun thing, and that's an interview that we have with Logan Urie. She's going to tell us about the new show on Netflix, Later Daters, who she is the star of. So we will get into that with her.

• 35:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, guys, we are very excited to welcome back a guest we've introd on this show many times, and we are so happy to have her again. She is a behavioral scientist turned dating coach. She is the author of How to Not Die Alone. She is the director of Relationship Science at the dating app Hinge, and she is the host of the Netflix new sensation dating show, The Later Daters. Please welcome back to the show, Logan Urie.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  Yay, thank you for having me. And wow, that bio is getting too long.

• 36:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, you make me feel lazy, Logan. It's crazy.

• 36:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you be less accomplished, please? No, we're so excited to have you for your first snack episode, because now you're a Netflix star.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Yay, I'm ready to snack with you.

• 36:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you give us, A, a little bit of history on how the show came about, and lead that into what the show is about for anyone who might know?

• 36:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 36:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  We've watched it, we love it, but...

• 36:27Speaker 03

  Okay, great. Yeah, so The Later Daters is a show in which I help six daters who are 55 plus get a second or third or fourth chance at love. And I'm the on-screen coach, and I help them figure out who they are, what they want, and how to find love. And then it's really cute, because you see the coaching sessions, and then I also FaceTime them afterwards to debrief with them and give them advice for their next date. The show came about because I was contacted by a producer who had the idea for the show, and his idea was that he was single and moving back in with his mom at 35. His mom was a boomer who was single, and they started talking about dating together. And so he had this idea for helping boomers date, but in the context of with their millennial kids. And

• 37:11Speaker 03

  I thought that idea was amazing, and then also the team behind it. So it's the team that made Cheer, and Chef's Table, and America's Sweethearts, really good shows. Then the guy, Keon, who made Love on the Spectrum, which is my favorite dating show, and then executive produced by... Michelle Obama.

• 37:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, no big deal.

• 37:30Rayna Greenberg?

  This is just a list of all my favorite things.

• 37:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  So you're gonna see tonight, which we can't even, we're so jealous.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  I know, I know.

• 37:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are you guys like friends?

• 37:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you want to invite us?

• 37:39Speaker 03

  I haven't met her yet, but I am meeting her today.

• 37:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God, Logan.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  About that. I know, I'm so excited. First, I get to see you two and then Mrs. Obama.

• 37:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Which one's more important?

• 37:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  The pregame for your biggest.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Obviously, girls gotta eat.

• 37:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Logan, I, Ashley and I both love the show. I find it so delightful and I love that people's kids are on it with them. And I think it's just the generational gap in dating advice is so interesting to me. Like, I wonder what it was like for you to give dating advice as, you're a millennial, to like people that are 20 years older than you, 30 years older than you. Like, was that such a challenge or do you feel like people are people?

• 38:19Speaker 03

  So as I was preparing for the show, I was like, oh, I feel like there's a lot about this population that I don't know. And all of my research has really been done with Gen Z and millennial daters. But I found that my advice really was able to transfer. I feel like a lot of the stuff that I talk about in my research and in my book is the same thing, no matter what age you are. So things like being more vulnerable so that you can connect with people, which I know we talked about on the show last time. And really understanding which kind of person you should be with, how you should be open to someone who's not traditionally your type. So there were, most of the things I think were relevant to the older daters, but there were some things that were different. So for example, Suzanne on the show, she really is operating from this older playbook.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  So she wants to be really coy. She wants to play hard to get. When this guy asks her on a second date, she says, behave. And so there were some moments where I was trying to upgrade their dating playbooks.

• 39:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  What do you, what did you learn about that generation that you maybe didn't know before? Is it just kind of that, that like some of them are operating from like an older playbook? Or did you find any, were there any revelations you had?

• 39:24Speaker 03

  There was a lot of things on the show that were really interesting for me. So I was pregnant while shooting the show.

• 39:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh my god.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  And so I really tuned into a lot of the mother daughter relationships.

• 39:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Because that was just something I was so interested in. So I loved Anise and her daughter, Duena. I felt like it was so interesting to see like how they talked as equals, but then they also gave each other a hard time, mostly Duena giving her mom a hard time. I loved how close Suzanne and her daughter were. So that was one thing that I paid a lot of attention to. The stories of people who were widowed were also really touching. I think that when you get married, you just assume like we'll both die at an old age together and have these, you know, great experiences. And you're like, life throws a lot of things your way and you just don't know what to expect. And so I feel like there was also a lot of lessons in just, life is long, life is hard, but there's also many different phases to look forward to.

• 40:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I like that we're bringing a lot of this to light with like The Golden Bachelor, Golden Bachelorette, and like really highlighting this older generation that their life isn't over just because they got divorced or lost a spouse. Mm hmm. I love this idea that like some dating advice really is so antiquated, but like, when would they have learned new dating advice? Like, I think that women were raised to be like, keep it all in, like, you don't have to be so vulnerable, play coy, you know, make them play hard to get. And I, I think it's interesting to like, update that rulebook a little bit. And like, if somebody's been married, one of the women that shows been married three times and then she's single for 20 years, like, where would she have gotten this information? You know, you really are like updating this.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  I, yeah, that's like part of the first episode. And I've, I've seen the first episode a bunch of times now. And I always think about it. And I'm like, she's this gorgeous 60, two-year-old. And it's so interesting to hear married three times, but you've been six, you've been single for 20 years. It's like that all happened. And then like, what's been happening in the last 20 years? So yeah, that one, that, um, her name is Anise. She always sticks out to me. And so I feel like there were things where they really just needed help. So around, um, as I said, how to be vulnerable or not being as coy. But then there were some things that I thought the later daters were actually better at, and that younger daters could watch and really learn from. And one of them is flirting.

• 41:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh, they are spicy.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  So spicy. Suzanne is an amazing flirt. Like, every guy that goes out with her is obsessed with her. She's so playful. She really gives great banter. I feel like if you watch that show and you really just tune into how Suzanne talks to guys, like, there are some lessons there around how to be fun, how to be flirty, how to make the most of a date. So I feel like we can learn a lot from Suzanne.

• 41:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Love that.

• 41:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Well, speaking of the way they interact, were you surprised by some of these conversations? Cause like these sometimes are like, the men specifically are, you know, they're older, they're, they're not as PC, they're a little out of pocket.

• 42:11Rayna Greenberg?

  They're not the me too generation.

• 42:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was watching this, I was watching the first episode, I'm not gonna name any names, and I was like, damn, like that's a little bit out of pocket.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  I know.

• 42:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  So what was interesting is, so I did really long coaching sessions with them, like maybe 90 minutes to two hours. And then of course they get condensed to a few minutes. And then I did the FaceTime with them after their dates, but I wasn't on the dates. So when I watched the show, that was my first time seeing the dates. And that was really fascinating because I'd heard from them what the dates were like, but not seen them.

• 42:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, this is my dream. Right. Cause sometimes Ashley and I will talk to friends of ours that are like, single and they'll tell you about a date and I'm like, what happened here really?

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 42:54Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, and you actually get to know.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  It really was so cool because I feel like I really tried to show up as a coach the same way I do with my coaching clients. Obviously it was a little different because the cameras were there, but when I watched the show, I feel like I myself, I don't think I'm playing a character. I really feel like I'm the person that you guys have met and I'm the person that my friends know. But one thing that I think was different is just this ability to do the post-game analysis of the dates and really get to see the dates themselves. And it makes me wish that I could be like recording my clients' dates.

• 43:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Wow.

• 43:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  But yeah, that first date with George, when Anise and George go out, I was just horrified and I was like, imagine his son watching the show. Like, wouldn't he just be so embarrassed?

• 43:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is it he the one that was like, are all your kids from the same dad?

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was like, have you gotten any work done? A little ghetto or something. I was like, sir.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just like couldn't believe it. And Anise was so special and like she was just such a caring mom and she was so strong. And she was, you know, highly educated. And then just to see her on that date, I feel like if I was watching it at home for the first time and I didn't know her as a person, it might make me feel better about some bad dates. So I like that the show shows how you can find love, how you can grow, how you can learn at any age, but also that, yeah, a lot of us are going on bad dates and that's part of finding love.

• 44:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't even imagine my dad on these streets. I mean, Rainy, you have to think about that. Your dad's dating.

• 44:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Cause I'm dating men that age.

• 44:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I'm saying like, your dad is dating.

• 44:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 44:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  That thought crosses your mind of what your dad's like on a date.

• 44:33Rayna Greenberg?

  You know what it makes me think of is that when I watch older men talk to flight attendants on planes, this is what, and there was this one guy I was sitting next to one time and he was like really flirting with her and she, he like would not let up and she was being like really nice and really professional, almost to the point that I was like, can you stop this, sir? She's trying to just be polite. But yeah, I think some people just haven't taught those, that generation of men how to behave.

• 44:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  So Logan, if our listeners, which we would love if they're 55 plus, but probably more likely that they're the children of those boomers, like what advice do you have to pass on to kids and grown kids that might have these parents that are lonely and, you know, divorced or widowed and like want to get back out there, but can't even begin to imagine how that would start or look?

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Yes. So one of the first things is just letting your parent know that you really want them to find love. And if they feel like you're going to judge them or you think you're replacing their dad, just let them know how much you would love if they found love and that's something that you really want for them.

• 45:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  But give them permission.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, give them permission. I think the second thing is really exploring why haven't they been dating? So is it that they're afraid of online dating? Is it that they're afraid of rejection? And so how can you help them the same way that you might help yourself or help a friend? And so take you profile pics of them, set them up on an app, encourage them to go on dates, you know, celebrate with them when they go on a great date, commiserate with them when they go on a bad one. And I think really that if you are an older dater and you haven't dated in the age of dating apps, and it's really been a while since you've met someone new in a romantic capacity, just having a friend or your kids support you can make all the difference.

• 46:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I love all those things.

• 46:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Aren't they, aren't like a lot of people going on Facebook? Like, I mean, I guess you can message people, but are they doing dating, I think?

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, there is Facebook dating and several of the people on the show have mentioned that they were using it. I'm not that familiar with it, but you know. All of the dating apps have room for daters of an older age and I think it sort of varies by geography.

• 46:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, because remember my mom, she was like, all these men keep friend requesting me and they're all catfishes. And my mom's married to my dad for 40 years. And she goes, she goes, like, look at this guy. She showed me him. As she's scrolling up, she goes, Oh, I actually don't think this was a catfish. And he was so hot. I said, it's a winner, right? I was like, give him my number. So the people are out there, like, I don't know how this man found my mom. Like, he probably saw she was cute and was like, maybe she's single and just like friended her.

• 47:09Rayna Greenberg?

  That's so funny. Well, your mom's hot.

• 47:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 47:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I have a question for you about like, feeling confident as you get older, because I'm sure that that came up a lot. I didn't finish the show, so I apologize. But like, we, we talked a few weeks ago on the show about like, just starting to feel like I don't look the way I used to. I don't physically feel the way I used to. Like, did that come up with daters? A lot, feeling like I don't recognize the person in the mirror anymore necessarily.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that came up and it came up in two ways. It came up in terms of I haven't been naked in front of somebody in a long time and I feel self-conscious about that. Or I am still attracted to people who are a lot younger than me and what do I do about that? And so, for example, with Pam, who, you know, is a character, she's great. I, there's part of the show where you see me talking to her and I'm like, hey, I want you to keep an open mind. Like, the men your age, the men you're going to meet through this experience, they're not going to look like the men that you dated when you were in your twenties or thirties. And she laughs because she's like, open mind. Everyone's always telling me I have too open of a mind and to close my mind. And then in terms of the confidence thing, I think it's okay to just acknowledge the fact that

• 48:16Speaker 03

  things will feel harder, that you might have to explore intimacy in a different way. There's really good research that Match Group did around dating 60 plus. And they actually found that a lot of these people were having better sex, were better able to ask for what they wanted. And there was even a stat that they fake orgasms less often. And so there's just a sense of at an older age, you kind of. Careless about being fake or trying to be something that you're not. And both of you are just kind of navigating your bodies in a different way. And there's a lot of ways to have pleasure and be intimate, even if things and your parts are not working exactly the same way they did when you were younger.

• 48:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, you don't have time to waste.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Why are you gonna fake an orgasm at 60? You're like, I got maybe 20, 25 years left. Like, I don't have time to be faking orgasms.

• 49:09Rayna Greenberg?

  But don't you love that?

• 49:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because they don't have stamina. They'll just chuck around a few minutes. Well, there's that too.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's just something that I loved about the show is I feel like the people on the show are hot. The people on the show are vibrant and they're living their lives and they look good and they're having fun and they have these really rich relationships with their families. And so I think a lot of the portrayals of older people are either that they're ignored and you don't see them on TV at all. Or that when you do see them on TV, it's really kind of making fun of them or they are the butt of the joke. And I feel like this is a show that really celebrates people in later chapters of life and really shows that we have something to look forward to.

• 49:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I love it. It's just, it's so important. We think about this stuff all the time, especially with having a sex toy company. Like, how can we even reach an older demographic? You know, we want women of any age to feel like that we're approachable with masturbation. And Cosmo did a whole spread on sex after 60, I believe it was called. They might have pulled data from the match.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 50:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so it's just that with this, The Golden Bachelor, like I mentioned, I just really love that this is getting out there. Because yes, I feel like people you hear, especially women, say you feel invisible after a certain age.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  I think the show just changes the narrative. I'm glad that Golden Bachelor is out there. I'm glad that this show is out there. And I just really feel like, you know, you're hearing Gen Z daters who are like afraid to turn 30. It's like, no, like every stage of life has its challenges and its opportunities. And it's like, yes, wear your sunscreen, but also like life doesn't end at 30.

• 50:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I love it.

• 50:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I just love aging. I'll tell you something. I, so watching the show, I don't really want kids, but like watching the relationships with the kids and their parents made me, for like the first time in a long time, go like, I could do that. Like, seeing like adult relations, like I'm not like besties with my mom. I would love to be, that would be nice. But like watching these girls kind of like roast their moms and they're like friends. I mean, actually, their mom were like that. And it just made me be like-

• 51:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  My mom and Justin. Oh, that was that guy's name. Sorry.

• 51:07Rayna Greenberg?

  You know I'm loving Austin.

• 51:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  I want my mom to stay with my dad. I'm not saying that.

• 51:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll just, I'll be with that guy. But it did, I, I just, I enjoyed that aspect of the show too. And it made me think about like, you don't, you just don't see a lot of like adult parent relationships a lot featured on television shows for any reasons. And I really liked that part.

• 51:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, Logan, this was wonderful. Thank you for taking the time. We love having you back. If you guys haven't heard previous episodes of Logan, they are some of our best, everybody's favorites. So go back and listen. But we're glad you took the time on the day that you're meeting Michelle Obama to.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yay. Well, thanks so much for having me. And for anyone who's listening, I'm teaching my dating class called Propel in January. And so for anyone who wants to check that out, they can look it up on my website. But yes, love to be here. Thanks for having me. And I hope everyone enjoys the later daters.

• 51:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Logan, congrats on everything. The show, becoming a mom since you came on the show. And we just love you so much.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. You can follow me on Instagram at Logan Yurie. And if you're interested in your dating tendency, what's holding you back from finding love, you can take the quiz on my website, loganyuri.com/quiz.

• 52:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Love it. Logan, thank you so much.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  Well, bye.

• 52:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  Thanks so much. Yeah, thanks, guys.

• 52:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you guys know where to find us, girlsgottaeat.com. Get tickets to the shows this weekend and next weekend, last shows of the year, and maybe forever. No.

• 52:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't help myself. Girlsgottaeat.com. We are Girls Gotta Eat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess. Reina is Reina Greenberg. Subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend and we will see you guys Monday.

• 52:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a great weekend, guys.

• 52:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.