PCOTY Quick Takes; New Giveaway Car; Zack Wins

Zack Klapman (and his wife) won a championship; Matt Farah reports from PCOTY 2026 and gives us his quick take on all the amazing cars there; a new giveaway car; and more. Patreon questions include: Frunk vs Trunk Worst: Charger bumper covers or fake vents? A route for European delivery Is "modding out of class" more popular now? Will we review a new FSD Tesla? Worst behavior at a cars and coffee Why do we get bored of our dream cars? "Fighter jet" cars at $50k, $75k and $100k Recorded October 5, 2026 Align Shoes Get 20% off your first pair with code “TIRE” at checkout at https://www.alignshoe.com. Promotion valid for 20% off one pair of full-priced footwear with code TIRE. Offer not valid for items on sale. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/tire and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Quince Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to https://Quince.com. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK, too. Ethos Get your free quote at https://ETHOS.com/tire Truewerk Go to https://truewerk.com/tire and use code tire to get 15% off your first order. TRUEWERK, Built Like It Matters. Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:43Matt Farah?

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• 1:31Matt Farah?

  Commercially assessed. Facklent is from Coffee Talk, right? And you know about, you know about my family's connection to Coffee Talk?

• 1:41Speaker 01

  She's the person.

• 1:42Matt Farah?

  I just, uh, sent their Florida license plate back to them from the Mercedes.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  They get it mounted on their wall like Doug?

• 1:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, I think, no. You know what they have to do? In order to cancel their insurance on that car, they have to turn the plate in. They won't let you cancel an insurance policy without turning in a plate.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 2:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  I hear that you can keep the plate when you sell the car, I don't care.

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  The plate goes with the car.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Where the plate goes with the car.

• 2:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think that is the case in Florida. I don't, all I know about Florida, and for the record, because you, we know, you know, you know my Florida rule, Florida titles.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  Don't buy a car from Florida.

• 2:22Matt Farah?

  Look, that, you know, I don't like to buy a car from Florida, but I know personally, that this was not a Florida car, just registered to their Florida home. This car lived in New York.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Oh, but then it moved to Florida for the tax benefits.

• 2:36Matt Farah?

  California's the only state that gives a shit about this.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  I meant the car did.

• 2:39Matt Farah?

  No, I'm just, oh yeah, but like, I'm just saying like, the whole registering cars in different states and shit like that, that, that only matters in a few places, and like, New York and Florida's like, fucking not one of them, nobody cares.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, they get taxes from something else, I guess.

• 2:52Matt Farah?

  They don't give a shit, yeah. They, so whatever it is, it's, it's not like that. I think like, there are a couple of states that have huge taxes on cars. California's one of them. I think, where did, uh, Whistlin Diesel get busted? Tennessee?

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Kentucky?

• 3:06Matt Farah?

  Kentucky or Tennessee, yeah, wherever he is, they got, they got enough to pay attention as well.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, or he has enough to pay attention. You know, a couple Ferraris, they're like, hey, that's not insignificant.

• 3:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're not looking for my, my $2,094 Benz, I don't think.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  I think one of the state senators here in California announced they're gonna try to go after, shut down the Montana thing, like, altogether, but we'll see if it goes through.

• 3:28Matt Farah?

  One of the senators, where?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  California.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  Well, other than literally making it, uh, a pretext for a, I mean, the only way you could really stop that?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  So, Newsom signed McNerney's bill to close the Montana loophole.

• 3:44Matt Farah?

  But what does that mean?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  And of course, what is enforcement? Let me pull up the motor.

• 3:48Matt Farah?

  But in California, like, you, it's already illegal.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Great point.

• 3:56Matt Farah?

  There is, there is no loophole in California. The loophole is in Montana. The loophole is happening not in your fucking state, Gavin Newsom. That's crazy.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Senate Bill 1406 authorizes the state to pursue residents who create phony shell companies designed to circumvent the state's tax code. Um, I mean, of course, enforcement is the hard thing. What does it actually do?

• 4:23Speaker 01

  It expands the state's definition of who is a resident for tax purposes.

• 4:27Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Now we got an ad. Okay, John Cena. John Cena, come on the show.

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  Shout out to him. Seems like a good dude.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  It now includes shell companies with at least one business member who is a California resident, and also allows the state to impose tax liability on individual members.

• 4:41Matt Farah?

  Okay, so, yeah, so it basically allows them to go after the members of an LLC, formed in Montana, for purposes of evading taxes.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, here, the law adds criteria that could be used. Evidence of a shell company that lacks business activity, fails to maintain a physical location, fails to employ individuals receiving W... So yeah, if your business is not doing anything on paper, other than having a location in Montana, and owning supercars, they're probably gonna take a look at you.

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  Well, so I think what, you know, that, in that case, what it'll, what it'll come down to is how much, how much resources they're willing to put towards, essentially being the Will Ferrell character in the other guys.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, forensic accounting.

• 5:24Matt Farah?

  Forensic accounting, like, that's, that's what, and if they do it, you know, they will probably find some, some fish, but it's...

• 5:32Speaker 01

  They just need to walk through, uh, Cars and Copters.

• 5:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, you know. Just take pictures. But like, that's, Cars and Copters is like, the most, like, policey blowjob-y event, ever. Like, those types of events, the events, some of those are the workforces, I'm just saying. The events where you see these huge, are incredibly pro-cop.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Well, there's police, but then there's also, like, the donor class.

• 6:04Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Tend to not be pursued by things, look at IRS being defunded, you know, last year. So, Gavin's, Gavin's new law, or McNerney's law, is going after, it should go after the donor class. But will they? Or will they go for smaller fish that don't, you know, don't donate any money, but are still doing that?

• 6:24Matt Farah?

  Okay, point of parliamentary procedure.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  You have a Montana LLC, Zach Klapman, you've registered $20 million in cars to this, to this LLC, right? They, they show up at your warehouse, where, there you are, recording your, recording your podcast with them as a backdrop. Do you then show them all the CHP 1199 plates that you've purchased?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  That's very funny.

• 6:53Matt Farah?

  Do you go, but wait, but wait!

• 6:57Speaker 01

  I mean, I think, because they'd go, we're not CHP, we're DEA or whatever.

• 7:02Matt Farah?

  They said if I got pulled over with this, they would let me go.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Depends on which agency, uh, you know, walks in your shop, right? If it's FBI or forensic accountants, I don't know who it is, but it's not, it's not gonna be CHP going to Montana with a bunch of papers and, um, you know, calculators.

• 7:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it'll, it'll be interesting to see what degree of enforcement, but really, the close, that's not the closing of the loophole. The closing of the loophole would happen in the state of Montana, and they give no fucks.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Of course not, because they're getting money from it. If they have 3 million people there, whatever, yeah, they're fine with it.

• 7:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is the, the enforcement of things that were already supposed to be, you know, because, because if you got pulled over with a California driver's license and a Montana license plate, you had to explain to that cop, what you're doing.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  I did, when I moved here in, from Colorado, I had a, I had a Cali license that I'd had forever, but I had Colorado plates. I'd been here four months in my Subaru, and they pulled me over and they were like, "What's up with this?", and they were like, "You have two months to fix that", or whatever, it was short.

• 8:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and, you know, that's, but other states don't give a shit. If you're driving a, you know, a West Virginia plated car in the state of Connecticut, like, that's like, not a problem, really. Um, and in California, the real move, you wanna fucking, you wanna, you wanna exit this system? Have a non-California driver's license. If you don't live here, this, that shit ain't, is instantly not California's problem. Just saying.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Right, you do the, uh, the Peter Thiel, you do, you do 51% of your year in a different, not a different state, or the B's, whatever.

• 8:35Matt Farah?

  The Peter Thiel, buy the, buy the vice presidency.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  No, that's, that's top of mind, because he bought some $140 million house in Beverly Hills, but like, but a lot of people, you know, if you do 51% of your time in a state like Florida, no income tax, and then you can live 49% here or somewhere else.

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  The state of California, if you say, if you own a home here, I think requires you to get a license here. Like, I don't think they, I, I think they're, I think they're like, like that.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Hmm, I don't know.

• 9:01Matt Farah?

  They want that fucking good shit.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Hmm, but if you have a vacation house here, they probably don't, right?

• 9:08Matt Farah?

  If I recall, the, the amount of time you have to spend here in order to mandate a California license is very small.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  So it's not residency?

• 9:19Matt Farah?

  It's not, it's not like, full, like, to establish residency is a small number of days in California. It's like, it's not the 50% one. But anyway.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  We'll see what they enforce it.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  We'll see if that actually gets anybody.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:32Matt Farah?

  If it does, you think we'll hear about it?

• 9:36Speaker 01

  We'll hear about it if, if it's someone who has like a 240 SX with an RB swap. You know, if it's Larry Chen, I mean, actually his cars are ready, but you know what I mean?

• 9:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  If they go after tuners like that versus the guy who has five Conigs eggs.

• 9:49Matt Farah?

  No, they find a really racist way to use this law.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:54Matt Farah?

  I mean, at that Cars and Copters event I was at, there was Montana tags. I mean, there, there were millions of dollars in tax evasion right in front of me. And I personally witnessed a police officer ask the one black person there that I saw to pop their hood.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Oh, right, yeah.

• 10:12Matt Farah?

  Remember that?

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:13Matt Farah?

  I talked about it the next day.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:15Matt Farah?

  Talking about it on the show the next day. And he like, he said it in kind of like a, I'm your buddy and genuinely interesting, interested in what engine you've got. Like, he kind of like worked up to it. Oh, it's kind of engine, oh, is it a precision turbo or whatever? This motherfucker was in uniform. And I, I was standing there and I told that kid, I said, don't you do that.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Right, you're like, is he your friend or is he?

• 10:40Matt Farah?

  Absolutely not, right? No, no, no. Guy in that uniform asks you to pop your hood? You do not, absolutely not. Get a fucking warrant.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  For real, they're not, they're not your friend. Uh, anyway, so we'll see what happens with that.

• 10:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, interesting, okay. Little more than I originally thought, though. Credit to that. Uh, things have happened.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Things have happened.

• 11:02Matt Farah?

  I did, uh, I did Performance Car of the Year.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:04Matt Farah?

  Fucking whole week of driving around. And, uh, we can talk about that. We have our, uh, our new giveaway car is in hand. We'll talk about that. We'll tease it. We'll tease it, it's in hand. It's fucking dope.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  It's a good car.

• 11:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I drove it over the weekend. It is really, really nice. It's fucking got a really cool array of options. Very enthusiast oriented.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  I'll transfer the photo you sent me right now.

• 11:31Matt Farah?

  Did I send you a good photo? I have more photos. Do you want to send yourself more photos?

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Uh, just airdrop me what you like, that doesn't show your address.

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, uh, that one, that one, and that one, and that one. None of those seem to show my address. But would you please double check that before putting them on the show? Um, they're coming at you. So we've got this coming in. This is, are you ready, Zach Lepman? He's looking. Um, this one, so, you know, we gave away a Turbo S. And I, I said it a couple of times. It was, it was won by a 77 year old woman from Santa Barbara. So I really hope to go up there and see this, uh, see this lady fucking rolling this car. Hopefully just doing huge smoky launches. Uh, you can't see my address in those. Cool.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Go down.

• 12:25Matt Farah?

  Um, and.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  I really want to know her story.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  I know. And privacy reasons, we can't say her name or anything. And, uh, I would like to know her story, but I hope she enjoys the car.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:36Matt Farah?

  Um, but in that case, you know, Dream Giveaways, our partner said, we have this Turbo S we want to give away. And we want to work with you on it, but they already had the car. And we were like, hell, that looks, that looks like a good time. So it was successful. We had a lot of fun. Uh, truth be told, we made a little bit of money. Good entrance, good enthusiasm. We got to build a Porsche and play with it a little bit. Um, you know, before somebody won the car. Like, that's pretty cool. And so I said, you know, can we please do it again? Except this time, I, we want to build the car that we want to build. Who, can we have a little say in the car? And they said, yes. And so this is the car that we have chosen.

• 13:17Matt Farah?

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• 14:00Matt Farah?

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• 14:45Matt Farah?

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• 15:29Matt Farah?

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• 16:14Matt Farah?

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• 17:44Matt Farah?

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• 18:25Matt Farah?

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• 19:08Matt Farah?

  This is a Porsche 992 dot two Carrera T manual. Uh, it is slate gray neo over black extended leather. Now it has 18 ways, so comfort for road trips, but it has rear seat delete for enthusiasm. Uh, it also, uh, if you can see on the, on the photo, has the factory aro kit, which is very cool. Looks really neat on this car. Um, and it has contrast stitching, uh, it has a Bose stereo, uh, obviously it has rear steer.

• 19:48Matt Farah?

  And a really nice, a really nice car. There's a few other options that are on it that I don't actually recall the names of at the moment. We'll talk about the

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Look, we got heated cooled seats in the 18 way. Of course, we got dual zone climate control, but like

• 20:03Matt Farah?

  The Burlwood, Burlwood's shift knob?

• 20:06Speaker 01

  Great shift knob.

• 20:07Matt Farah?

  Fabulous.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  The shifter's great in this. I mean, I went on the launch for these cars, the 911, the new 911T. What a just phenomenal package. It was like, you should get that. In my, for me, it would be that, or I'd have to jump all the way to turbo or GT3 land.

• 20:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  I'm just not like a, I respect the GTS and the stuff in the middle, but it just doesn't excite me as much. But like this thing has all the stuff you need, really.

• 20:29Matt Farah?

  It's got the goods. It really does. And this one in particular, like, really, really does have the goods. And the DOT 2 is a 6-speed, no longer a 7-speed, which is great. Oh yeah, it has a, you can see, it's funny because it's digital and it's an option, the red tack.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:45Matt Farah?

  Like, like that was an option. It had to be like checked and paid for.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Well, it matches, I mean, you can't change the, the sport chrono clock. Like, that's right also.

• 20:56Matt Farah?

  That's true.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  So maybe that's where the money goes.

• 20:57Matt Farah?

  It's, I guess you pay for the clock and they do the tack.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  And then they click a button to change the tack.

• 21:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, very exciting. Already a very cool car. Even if we, even if we left it alone, it'd be a very cool car.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  But we're not gonna do that.

• 21:15Matt Farah?

  But we ain't gonna leave it alone.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  So we have some partners on this one. We're gonna make it like a lot faster.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  We should say, we have a new partner that we haven't modded things with before. If that gets people excited. It's not gonna be a copy of the last car.

• 21:31Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. And, and, and it's gonna be very, very special tasty item when we're done with it. So, you can't enter yet. The game starts, I believe, December 11th. So, you know, get, get ready for that. That's gonna be very fun. And also, we should talk about

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Do you know you're sitting with a champion right now? I just wanna

• 21:57Matt Farah?

  What kind of champion are we talking about?

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Oh, you're just, you know.

• 22:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, you won?

• 22:01Speaker 01

  2026 Wine Grape Stomp Champion. Sarah Stringfellow and Zach Klapman. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

• 22:09Matt Farah?

  Grape Stomp. Did she wear a white dress intentionally to this?

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yes. She bought it for the, no one else had done it. Everyone else was like changing clothes or worried about getting, you know, grape juice on their clothes. And she's like, it'd be cool to just buy a white dress for $20 and then get, and it looks, now it looks like deeper purple blue. It looks really cool. And a bunch of other women were there. They're like, that's such a good idea.

• 22:30Matt Farah?

  That's a very good idea, actually. Sarah's smart.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Sarah's very smart.

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  That's a good, now she has, that's like a dress now.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:38Matt Farah?

  Will she ever wear it again?

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, for sure.

• 22:41Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  And people, because Halloween's approaching, they were like, one of our fans goes, is that full of blood? It's like, yeah, we slaughtered goats, you know, to sacrifice and appease the gods. Like, no, it's grape juice. But I'll tell the story very quickly. We get there and I'm like, oh, this is just a thing they do probably every night. It's at a vineyard down in Temecula, whatever. And my, you know, surgery, I go, I'm just gonna be super careful. I'm, I'm watching how people move. I'm like, if this hurts.

• 23:06Matt Farah?

  Aren't there whole compilations of people eating shit doing this?

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, so now everyone holds on to the barrel. Most of us did. A couple people, one guy stood there holding his wine glass and making the jerk off motion to his wife. This guy was a classy.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  You ever see someone for 12 seconds, you go, I know everything about you? Or assume, yeah, this guy must have sold golf clubs.

• 23:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  And he's on like his third wife and he's like, look at me. But anyway, but that's, I held on to the barrel. So, so we go like fourth round and I'm like, I'm just gonna have a good time, not trying to win. I don't know how this works. And then I figured out how

• 23:42Matt Farah?

  How it works. What's the method?

• 23:44Speaker 01

  And we won our round.

• 23:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  And I get down and I go, okay, so next time, Sarah, here's what we're doing. And she looks at me, she goes, you are locked in. And I'm like, and I'm going, I'm, later I was like, we should have watched.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  Taste of victory.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  And someone beforehand says, are you competitive? I was like, not really. And then I was fucking focused, dude. I was so

• 24:02Matt Farah?

  That's so fucking funny.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Dumb thing.

• 24:04Matt Farah?

  That's so funny. This is exactly, remember me during WRL? I'm like, I don't really give a shit. I'm just here to have fun. And then it's like, listen, if we're, if we're looking at a podium halfway through this race.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Right, we're gonna change our driving order.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  Completely different fucking story.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  That's exactly what happened, 100%. I was whispering. I was like, Sarah, here's how it works. Some guy was

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  Wait, so what do you do?

• 24:23Speaker 01

  So what you do, so everyone's stomping, right? And you're just making grape juice. But the pipe that goes out of these things is like an inch. So grape pulp gets clogged in there. And they give you a stick to like poke it out. Like, so one person is poking the tube and one person's stomping. But everyone's just making juice.

• 24:39Matt Farah?

  Do they exclusively play the Lumineers while this is going?

• 24:43Speaker 01

  They played like hip hop mashup stuff. They played nostalgia classics for our generation.

• 24:49Matt Farah?

  Imagine like, you're fucking stomping grapes in this beautiful thing and it's like Tupac is playing in the background.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  When I, the final round, it was Beat It by Michael Jackson, which was pretty funny.

• 25:00Matt Farah?

  Yes, yes. Beat your, beat your grapes.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  So everyone's like trying to, so Sarah goes first and I'm like, this is flowing slowly. We're not gonna win, fine. But then I get in there and I stomp and I start kicking like against the pipe opening. And I watch it start to pour out like bottle of water and I was like

• 25:15Matt Farah?

  Like you're making, like you're plunging a toilet.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  100%.

• 25:18Matt Farah?

  You are, your foot was the plunger. Oh, this is good, Klapman.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  This is, and we

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  Just

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Destroyed.

• 25:26Matt Farah?

  Did you set a new record?

• 25:28Speaker 01

  For our round, everyone, everyone's like, oh, third full, half full. And we had like 1.75 wine bottles full. Full. And they're like, oh shit. So final round, same thing. And Sarah tried and she couldn't get it. But so she basically made all the juice and then I got it out. And we filled 2.7 wine bottles.

• 25:46Matt Farah?

  In, in what period of time?

• 25:47Speaker 01

  90 seconds.

• 25:49Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 25:51Matt Farah?

  Shit. That's like ripping.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  I had to switch legs because my right leg got sore.

• 25:55Matt Farah?

  All right. So like, wait, hang on. Are you cupping your foot and going

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Basically, here's, for everybody, if you ever enter one of these, here's what you do. You just keep your foot like two inches from the pipe opening and you just kick towards it at this pace.

• 26:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Like as quick as you can. And you'll, and I could see the, the exit of the pipe just start to go It filled, like it filled the funnel and Sarah hasn't changed her oil before. And she's like, it's not going down. I go, lift the funnel. There's too much air in there. And she lifts it, goes, and just boom, fills the bottle. And, and at the end, someone at the end, at the farther end, they're like, oh, I think these girls won. And some guy next to us goes, have you seen these dudes? And we walked down there with like, it was like we'd caught fish. And, and they, so we win a, we win a free wine tour with the Vintner, which is super cool.

• 26:39Matt Farah?

  Hell yeah, dude.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  But it was so funny to go from, I'm not competitive to like, we can win this thing.

• 26:44Matt Farah?

  Listen. There's wind over there.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Sarah, I need you to focus. I need you to, I need you to focus with me. So.

• 26:50Matt Farah?

  And how nice that it wasn't actual stomping. So you're not gonna like slip and, and fucking eat shit up there.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. A lot of people are stomping, hoping they can just

• 26:59Matt Farah?

  Well, it's called grape stomp.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you need that element.

• 27:01Matt Farah?

  No.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  But

• 27:03Matt Farah?

  No, the point is to get juice into bottle, not to smash as many grapes as possible.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  If the juice isn't exiting the fucking bin.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Then who cares?

• 27:12Matt Farah?

  You're in deep shit.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  You're in deep juice. Yeah. So, so that's my tip for you and anyone else out there, whoever enters a grape stomp, is plunge.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  That's a move.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Make a wine pump with your foot.

• 27:22Matt Farah?

  Really. Very, very smart.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  And, and it was funny how many dudes came up later. And I mean dudes

• 27:27Matt Farah?

  What's your secret?

• 27:28Speaker 01

  That. And then one guy was like, and I explained, he goes, oh, so you made like a pump? I'm like, exactly. And just engineering guys were like

• 27:34Matt Farah?

  Prestige, I want the method. I want your method.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  And, and we didn't realize

• 27:40Matt Farah?

  The cipher is the method.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  I thought they did this all the time and they only do it for like a week in October. And so we

• 27:47Matt Farah?

  Is there a leaderboard? Season leaderboard?

• 27:49Speaker 01

  I think there's like four champions for the week. So I think we should go up against them.

• 27:52Matt Farah?

  Going back for the semis?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  But I need to like rest up. My, my muscles haven't done anything in six weeks because of surgery.

• 27:58Matt Farah?

  Like cramped.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  My ass muscles are so sore from like these little kicks.

• 28:02Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah, yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Weird.

• 28:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, I mean, that's like, that's how I feel after, you know, I go to Pilates with Hannah.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:09Matt Farah?

  From traveling for a week and then I go to that class. I'm like, why the fuck are my, why do my balls hurt?

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, hip adductors, so.

• 28:17Matt Farah?

  Amazing. Champion. You got a trophy?

• 28:21Speaker 01

  We get, we get like four bottles of wine as a trophy and the tour with the owner and vineyard and stuff.

• 28:26Matt Farah?

  How was the wine?

• 28:27Speaker 01

  It's okay. We listen

• 28:30Matt Farah?

  Temecula.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  It's Temecula. And we, on the way down, we listened, we listened like a podcast, like history of Temecula wine. So these people are fans of it. And one of them said, Temecula wine doesn't really make it out of Temecula.

• 28:41Matt Farah?

  That's so funny. Now you know why?

• 28:45Matt Farah?

  We're doing a road and track Palm Springs deal in the spring. There's a Temecula winery. It's a stop.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  It's still gorgeous. I mean, if there's stuff on the vines, it's pretty. I think they said Temecula grows like eighty-two different types of grape, which is too many for one region. Most regions grow like three.

• 29:03Matt Farah?

  It's a Greek diner.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. It's exactly like they're just trying everything. So wherever you go is going to have twelve types of wine. So figure out which one is the best.

• 29:12Matt Farah?

  We'll do a tasting. That's probably the way.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 29:14Matt Farah?

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• 29:54Matt Farah?

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• 31:21Matt Farah?

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• 32:06Matt Farah?

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• 32:50Matt Farah?

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• 33:32Speaker 01

  Ooh, good.

• 33:33Matt Farah?

  The Lucid boys who test up there said two and a half seconds faster on the big track. We test on the smaller track because mainly with so many editors going, going around in cars with so many people having to share cars, all the photography or whatever, a one and a half minute lap versus a three-minute lap is like a big difference when you're doing that level of production. So anyway, we're, we were on West, but, but I drove up there in the Elantra NTCR with Jethro and honestly, I gotta, I gotta give a big, big shout out to Jethro

• 34:17Matt Farah?

  because that's like a seven hour and change drive and it's a shit drive. It's just turn, turn right out of here, get on the freeway and then go north for five hundred fucking miles and then turn right and then left into the hotel. I mean, that's the entire drive. It's, it's terrible and there's nothing to see. But Jethro is an amazing road trip companion.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 34:41Matt Farah?

  He is, he is an interesting and funny and an engaging person. And so if you've got to spend seven hours in a car with somebody, that is, that is a top percentage of someone you'd want to do it with. So full of good stories and it was a good time. So I don't, I don't want to scoop the scoop.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:00Matt Farah?

  Because Performance Car of the Year twenty twenty-seven is coming out in January. It's like a whole story and there's thirteen magazine editors and the amount of, of work that goes into all of it from everybody is pretty extraordinary. But I thought I would give you just my quick impressions of each of these cars without comparing them to the other cars in the competition. So I don't really scoop it, right? Like we'll do, you know, a minute or two on each car.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:35Matt Farah?

  And we have nine cars. So in, in no particular order, the Aston Martin Valhalla.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  You hate this car.

• 35:48Matt Farah?

  Hate it. What a shit box. No, the Valhalla is a fucking awesome, awesome car. I mean, shocker. It's like over a million dollars. It's over a thousand horsepower. It's a carbon tub. It's Aston Martin's full first in-house carbon car. They built the tub. They built the body themselves. You know, it's a tri-hybrid with, with the twin turbo V8 from the AMG Black Series that Zach and I reviewed two years ago, whatever it was. So it's, it's just a missile. You're sitting low and close to your passenger, kind of like the Porsche nine eighteen, sort of,

• 36:26Matt Farah?

  it's a very LMP style driving position. The A-pillars are very far forward. That's unique. So you move your head differently to see around a corner than you would another car. It's insanely fast. But given how insanely fast it is, it is, it is remarkably nice to drive on the road. And I think that's because the front tires aren't too wide. So it doesn't, it doesn't dart around all that much. The steering ratio is very good and it's, it's super, super fun to drive at like five tenths, which is sort of like a chill canyon pace. Like go, you can,

• 37:10Matt Farah?

  five tenths in this car is still going pretty quick.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  I guess I was gonna say, is this the best? And I know this is gonna sound so out of taste, but trust me, I'm in your tax bracket, folks. Is this like the best value at a million dollars? Because you've said it's so fun at low speed, so good on track at high speed versus Koenigsegg's, which have reliability kind of reputations or like SF90s feel heavy.

• 37:32Matt Farah?

  It's like the most usable and playful and fun of the hypercar class.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  It's just funny that the ZR1X now is also at that horse car level, but this is probably more fun at low speed because it's special.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  Well, look, you know, when you're sitting in a Corvette, whether it's a base one or a ZR1X, you're in a Corvette. You know, so there's Corvettes and we'll get to the Grand Sport, which was in the competition, but Corvettes are, for better or worse, the fucking great equalizer, the value across, you know, you look at any sports car and they go, and then you go, but the ZR1 and it starts to look like not a great value, this included. But especially on a relatively short track where the lap times, you know, of a ZR1 versus something like this are not very different. Having said that, sitting inside it, using it as a car is a pretty magnificent experience

• 38:28Matt Farah?

  that is not the same as using a ZR1 as a car, with respect to a ZR1. Crazy. The BMW M2CS, we reviewed it, we didn't love it.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 38:40Matt Farah?

  I learned from everybody fucking driving it, talking about it, people setting shit and checking shit and Jethro doing laps, the M2CS is a very conditional car.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  If it has new tires, if those tires are set to the right pressure, if the road isn't too fucked up, if the fucking sun is pointing into the third fucking house, you know, if the traction control and drive mode settings are perfect, if all these things met, are met, you know, then it drives really nice.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Hmm. So lots of margin for error in terms of conditions.

• 39:25Matt Farah?

  If you ask me, there's a whole bunch of ways to make this car drive poorly and like one way to make it drive nice. And they don't just like have it be that way. Like, there's like, I did eventually drive it on the settled good settings. And, and, and I still didn't love it, but I was like, oh, all right, I see, I get it. And this, and the one thing that we loved was the body control from the suspension was really, really good. The brakes are really effective. But yeah, if you don't have the right tires at the right pressures and the right temperatures, it doesn't handle properly. And, and so I didn't love it.

• 40:09Matt Farah?

  This test didn't really change my mind, although I did learn that there is a way to make it good. It's just a lot of, other, other cars, you know, it's just like, whatever, you know?

• 40:23Speaker 01

  They seem to have a larger operating window.

• 40:24Matt Farah?

  You get a turbo S, you hit the button, you're like, whatever, no problem. This was like, really, like knife edged with the conditions under which it was like, good.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  What about compared to like Nismo's Z? So similar price.

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  I don't want to compare it directly with Nismo's Z because the Nismo's Z was there. But I'll talk about the Nismo's Z. The Nismo's Z for $68,000 is a hell of a car that should be celebrated. It's 420 horsepower, it has very few electronic aids, it has normal and sport, and then it has traction on and traction off. I mean, that's like, kind of like, that's good, actually. You know, the, anything that's happening in the multimedia screen has like nothing to do with driving. It's like your nav and your music, but like, there's, there's no hidden menus or settings or any of that shit.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Are you listening Golf R?

• 41:29Matt Farah?

  It's, and it's part of a, it's part of a disappearing class of car. The sports car. Like, the sports car was a big class of car that's now like almost gone. You know, like, you're thus, the two-seat traditional sports car consists of Miata, Corvette, Z.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  If we're saying just two seats, so not even M2?

• 41:57Matt Farah?

  No, not even, not, not a sports sedan or a two, like, I mean, the traditional sports car. I mean, if you want to open it up to two plus twos, it's still two series Mustang. There's not, there's not a lot. There's, there, it's a, it's a, and certainly if we're talking about front engine, rear drive, two-seat sports cars, like, that is a rare breed these days. And to drive this thing, it's so, it's such a delight. The steering feel is really good, it's got a bunch of brakes, it's got a bunch of grip. You just, you turn the stuff off, it'll do slides. I mean, actually, if you really want to do a bunch of slides, you probably need to de-tire

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  it a little bit. It's got these very sticky Dunlops, which are, you know, sticky. But if you really want to send it, you, you might want to do a little of that, so that, but it's nice to drive on the road. On the road, this is a very, very fast car. You know, you, when you see lap times and you go, okay, well, something else maybe is a second faster or whatever, and it's in a, it's a, we've got a fucking, the Valhalla and the tuna, you know, we've got a lot of really fast cars out there. Most people aren't racing their cars most of the time. And so if what you are looking for is a incredibly engaging, a conversationalist, it talks about

• 43:25Matt Farah?

  the road to you and you talk back to the road through the car. Like, it, it has that conversation all day long, never had any problems, overheating. I think one of our editors, and I'm not naming names, did not do, take the appropriate cooldown measures and, and warped a set of rotors, which they actually had another set, then they put on. But I, I am fully confident that that was not a problem endemic to the car. I think someone got the brakes really hot and then set the parking brake, or just like, you know, whatever. But decent sized trunk, you know, reasonable legroom, reasonable headroom, but just a

• 44:09Matt Farah?

  really, 67 grand ain't nothing. But like, this is a rare type of car that like has the goods and it feels fast. And it is fast. It's cool. Nice car.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  It probably feels, does it feel smaller than like the Mustang, which is a giant?

• 44:26Matt Farah?

  It feels tiny compared, I mean, that's, and it feels tiny and it feels shrunken down over its necessary bits in the same sort of way a Porsche does, as opposed to a Mustang, which feels almost inflated.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the wheels of the Mustang always look too small for the body, which is the opposite, yeah.

• 44:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Which, speaking of which, in Mustang where it doesn't look like that, the Dark Horse SC, certainly with the track pack.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, like exhaust, kind of the rectangles, matches the body lines.

• 45:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So this is, this is effectively the new GT500, right? So it has the 800 horsepower, supercharged 5.2 with the Tremec DCT transaxle out back. It's a fucking monster, this car. This one had the track pack, this is a $170,000 Mustang. Didn't have very high hopes for it, honestly. You know, I, I, the more I drove the GTD, kind of the less I liked it, which was unfortunate. This one, I have to say, I was extremely pleasantly surprised.

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  The body control is excellent, really, really good. It's, it is set up a little more for road driving than the GTD, so it, it has a nicer ride. You set, set the shocks in soft and actually it has a pretty nice ride. Nicer even, I think, than the non-supercharged Dark Horse. This one had the carbon wheels and the sticky tires. And it was shockingly sticky. These are Cup 2Rs, and so even with 800 horsepower, this thing, 305 fronts, this fucking thing, I'm not sure I've driven any front-engined car that, ever, that turns in harder than

• 46:30Matt Farah?

  this. It may, not that I can recall.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Like C7 Grand Sport maybe? But I guess back then the tires weren't sticky.

• 46:40Matt Farah?

  I doubt it. These, with Cup 2Rs, I'm pretty sure this is the hardest cornering front engine car I've driven. I mean, maybe the GTD, but it's, it's the same.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:51Matt Farah?

  It's, you know, it was, it was the same. Really good brakes, the pedal feel isn't, wasn't as good as some other cars, not quite as immediate on the pedal, but in terms of the effectiveness of the brakes, very effective.

• 47:05Matt Farah?

  Automatic gearbox is

• 47:09Matt Farah?

  exceptional, how good that Tremec is in this car. And Jethro and I agreed that it was even better tuned than the same gearbox in the Corvette. It's really nicely, nicely tuned powertrain. That is, it feels very much like a supercar powertrain. More so than it does a muscle car powertrain, which is really cool. And you should see how mad, because you know, everyone, most of the OEMs sent a couple folks with their cars. Ferrari, Ferrari sent like six people, I think, and 40 sets of mounted wheels and tires. Not 40 sets, excuse me, 40 wheels and tires, 10 sets.

• 47:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they insisted we go through them.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  Great.

• 47:59Matt Farah?

  We, I'll get to the Ferrari, but all of the European manufacturers were so hilariously annoyed at the cold start volume of the American cars.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  They're just jealous. I mean, they're like, "Oh, we can't do that."

• 48:17Matt Farah?

  Dude, this Mustang might be the loudest car I've ever tested.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Geez.

• 48:23Matt Farah?

  It is hilariously loud. It's probably exactly the same as the GTD, I think, but it might, it might even be a little louder. And the Grand Sport woke me two days in a row at the hotel. Just for being, when they started it outside of the parking lot, it woke me up. That thing with the new 6.7 engine, because I drove it in Idaho, but, but I only heard the cold start from when I was in it, starting it.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:56Matt Farah?

  When you're in the fucking Hampton Inn and they start that bitch outside, oh my God, that wakes the entire hotel. That car. But the Dark Horse SC, it is very fast, obviously, it's, you know, and it's not, it's a Mustang. It's big, it's still big. That hasn't changed. It's Mustang-ness hasn't gone away, but it turns in like crazy. And on the road bits, it was, it was soft enough that I went, you know what, when I, when I drive this thing for two weeks, the second half of October, that's gonna be alright. It's not, if it was the Dark Horse that we drove, the non-supercharged one,

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  the dartiness of that thing and the harshness of it, I'd be like, oh, this is gonna be a long couple of weeks. But actually, this one is, is a little more tuned for street driving and was very, very pleasant. And I've asked them to not give me a track pack, to give me a, because I don't, I don't want October in the Northeast. I don't want cup two R's. I want regular tires, please. So, that's Dark Horse SC. Flick a photo, let's see what the next, and I'll just go to that.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Let me see if we covered...

• 50:12Matt Farah?

  There we go, the 911. 911 Turbo S. What do you think of these wheels? These wheels look aftermarket, but those are the OEM...

• 50:20Speaker 01

  They're very aftermarket.

• 50:21Matt Farah?

  Those are the OEM lightweight wheels for the Turbo S.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Do they also look a bit Veyron? Is that what I'm thinking of?

• 50:28Matt Farah?

  They look like the kind of wheels that you would put on a Veyron when it's in for service.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 50:34Matt Farah?

  They're weird, but they're hollow spoke and they're very light. They gave us the other...

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, you're right, the Veyron wheels have more spoke.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  They gave us the other set of wheels too, but they, they had a couple of different sets.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  I think they're pretty good-looking wheels.

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  So, 911 Turbo S, I reviewed it when it was new. This is the three-electric motor, hybrid. It's got the two electric turbos, one electric motor in the gearbox. And the all-wheel-drive system is a mechanical all-wheel drive, so it's not an electric front-drive. 700 horsepower.

• 51:07Matt Farah?

  And, you know, a bunch of things that you already know about how awesome this car is. It's 0 to 60 in the low 2's. And as the 911 Turbo S does, it just does everything incredibly well. And it is so full of technology, but its real strength is making that technology totally disappear and convincing you that you are in fact a hero. I'm not sure I've ever driven a car that slides as well as this. This might be

• 51:37Speaker 01

  What?

• 51:37Matt Farah?

  the best drifting street car I've ever driven. It was so fun. It, you, and it was on P0's, it wasn't even on, I don't even, we might have run the laps.

• 51:51Matt Farah?

  Can you, you can't zoom in on that picture. Wait, I have that picture. I forget if that's on cups or if it's on P0's. But let me look, let me see if I can punch in and read the tire. If it's on...

• 52:09Matt Farah?

  Pirelli P0's. Okay.

• 52:13Matt Farah?

  So when you stomp, it has amazing brakes. I think this, I think this Turbo S may have had, from the 70 to 0 to test, I think it was the top three or four cars that Car and Driver have ever tested from 70 to 0. The brakes are amazing. So the weight transfer is amazing. So when you have that rear engine, and in this car, because it has no accessory belt drive, all of that shit's electric now, the engine's center of gravity, this is the lowest center of gravity ever in a, in a modern 911 engine, because there's nothing on top of it. It's, it's the weirdest-looking engine. It just looks like, it just looks like a flat thing like this with just nothing up here. Really, really strange-looking.

• 52:56Matt Farah?

  They had one on a stand at the launch, and compared to the old engine, the old engine was like, you know...

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Like a pyramid.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  Like a pyramid. This is just nothing. And you're like, what? It was so weird. But when you step on the brakes, so, so good, and you fucking just turn in, and you have everything off, the back just goes, in the most beautifully predictable and gentle way, just goes whoop, and then you just go whoop, and then just go whoop, and it just holds until you decide, "I'd like to unwind the wheel now."

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:33Matt Farah?

  You know, it's fucking epic. It's just, and you think you did all that.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  We asked Jethro on the show last week, like, "What's your favorite car to slide ever?" And he said 911. He's like, "When you get it right," and that's, you know, speaking of two-wheel drive, like, it just does it so beautifully and so uniquely.

• 53:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This, it was just, it's just fabulous. And then you, when you drive it on the road, you don't actually realize how good it is until you start driving other stuff that doesn't have the 48, or the 400-volt shock controller. Like even, you know, I don't want to speak negatively about our awesome Carrera T giveaway car, which is awesome, but I drove that the day I got home from P. Cody, and this was the 911 I'm driving around up there, and I went, "Oh, oh."

• 54:24Speaker 01

  It's a hundred grand more.

• 54:25Matt Farah?

  It was like when we drove our Turbo S. You know, when we, when I came back from the launch and we did the trip to Zion, and I went, "Well, this Turbo S feels lighter," but man, it rides like shit. You know, because once you get in this car with the 400-volt shock controller, if you, if that's your version of normal, every other car afterwards, you're like, "What's wrong with it? It's broken."

• 54:46Speaker 01

  You went from private jet to commercial, and you're like, "How come so many people?"

• 54:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so it just, you don't know that technology is all there. It's all hiding in the background and doing all this shit you don't know about. But when you go around the, I mean, you should see, the way this thing, it goes around the track like a fighter jet. You know, like the bumps aren't there. You just hit the curb, the bumps are just gone. You know, you're doing slides and shit, like you're fucking heroic, but there's no, there's no bumps. Like, it's, it's real crazy. It's fucking cool.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  You know, sometimes more technology makes driving more difficult when you have to work around it. But if you don't, and it just works for you like magic, and you don't have to deal with any of these problems or these little problems, like bumps or things like that, and you just feel like a hero.

• 55:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would, if you want, in terms of be a, the be a hero car, this is a tie with the 750 S McLaren.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 55:40Matt Farah?

  Just in terms of like, "I want to fling this motherfucker around a track like it's not worth 350 grand."

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  That's what this car is for, and it's like so good at it.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  How much was the MSRP?

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  This one? Oh, I don't, I don't think this was 350.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Oh, you're saying the 750?

• 55:58Matt Farah?

  The 750 is, I think a Turbo S, if you keep the options reasonable, it will have a 2. 270, 280. A couple of the ones I drove on the launch were 3. I drove a Turbo S Cabriolet that was PTS with a Sport Design kit, and it was like 3 and 1/4. I mean, they were like, it was comedy, the options they were putting on it. It looked fucking really dumb, actually, but this one was definitely a 2. But go back to that photo, because in the background of it was the Bentley Supersports. I was very excited to drive this car. Frank Walser was a guy who was at Porsche, then went over, is now the CEO of Bentley. And what does anyone do where they leave Porsche?

• 56:41Matt Farah?

  They immediately build a GT3 out of what they've got. That's the move.

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  Does it work? Mostly. The body control of the Supersports is really, really good. The ride is really good. And, you know, for a Bentley, it's, it's pretty raw and engaging. You know, it's not as fast as the speed with the hybrid, obviously, but it does make a hell of a good sound. And it's, it is sporting. It feels very, it just, it feels much more connected to the road than the regular one. The way the suspension and the steering and the brakes and the gearbox are all tuned. It is a much more connected driving experience, but it's, it is, at the end of the day, it's still, it's still a Bentley.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  But it's getting closer, it sounds like, to the sport thing, because I think, I remember like watching old Top Gear in the late 90s, early 2000s, and they'd be like, "This is the Supersports."

• 57:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  And they didn't look like they turned at all. They just had massive power and torque, and they could do burnouts for like an entire continent. But now, with the Panamera architecture, like, they can be a sporty car.

• 57:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it actually, it, well, I have to say, the interior quality and all the things that make a Bentley a Bentley are there. Purely in a dynamics perspective, it made me more impressed with the, with what the Dark Horse could do. You know, in terms of turning and braking, given that architecture versus these guys where they started with the Panamera.

• 58:19Matt Farah?

  But it is the most engaging Bentley GT that there has ever been. Having said that, if I was spending ball, because this is like, these things cost a fortune. I mean, the one, the one that we had at Pete Cody started with a five, that red one starts with a five. A friend of ours who was talking to me about this car specifically said he'd ordered one, and then it started with a six. And, I mean, look, these are, these are like Fantasyland fucking numbers. But just as, you know, when we drove the GT Speed, that orange one that I took, and I took it to a track day, that started with a four, and I was like, having

• 59:00Matt Farah?

  a heart attack about that. But, when it came to doing silly things on track, it actually was a little easier to do them in the Speed than it was in the Supersports. The Supersports has a lot of tire, which makes it harder to do some of the drifty bits that you'd really sort of want that car for. It's a very cool thing. It's for the most hardcore of Bentley people, but I didn't see ultimately a lot of like, quote, "value" in it. But like, they'll sell them all. There's enough hardcore ass people, and, and the handling and the engagement was nice. The Corvette Grand Sport, already, already spoke about

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  it when I drove it in Idaho, but having it on track, yo, the, i- it is amazing what GM Performance has done with this platform. I mean, it's fucking, this thing, so it's got the new 6.7 liter, which is 535 horsepower. And then that, the chassis that it has, especially this one, which has the, I forget if they call it Z07, or whatever it's called, but it's the track pack. The sticky tires, the wing, the, the whole deal, the whole kit. And, it is really, like, so this same, the same body, the same tires, the same brakes, the same shit, they have a fucking car with double the horsepower of this one, and all those

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  same things. So imagine how hard you can drive this one.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Imagine how capable the brakes, tires, and suspension are to be able to handle 1200 horsepower, and handle it in a dynamic way, where it can go on a road course for however many minutes or laps you want to do, yeah?

• 1:00:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Now half the horsepower. And so, even with 535 horsepower, which is a lot by anybody's standard, it's not forced induction, so you have this linear power band, and you have this insane amount of grip. I, I mean, I don't think, I don't think any fucking other car we had in the test turns in like the Grand Sport. This fucking thing, and they put alignment on it, you know, and it's got, it had cup 2Rs because track pack. This thing turned in like a roller coaster. Just, keep turning harder, because it's, you, you have to work hard as hell to get understeer in a car, in this car, especially if you're

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  under braking, because it's just, the brakes are really powerful, and the tires are insanely good. And the front end on this thing is amazing. The cornering, the, the cornering speeds of this car matched cars double and triple the price.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  I believe that. I mean, mechanical grip has limits. I mean, and this is a very capable, based on physics alone, of mid-engine and sticky ass tires, plus with really good suspension, like, you can only, you can't outspend that too much until you get to maybe like, active ride suspension or something like that, I don't know.

• 1:02:04Matt Farah?

  And the key to driving this car really, really fast is to get on the throttle earlier than you think you should, because it'll, it'll stick, it'll, it'll hold. Not very good at sliding, with a naturally aspirated engine and the stickiest fucking tires imaginable, not great at sliding, and, and, and honestly, the, the full-on track setup of this car, same as the ZR1 from last year, it did show itself on the road, and so, if you wanted a Grand Sport for road use and track use, I would get comfortable with having two sets of wheels and tires, one for track and one for road, as well as, as well as be comfortable

• 1:02:49Matt Farah?

  getting an alignment, you know, when you go to the track, and then having it realigned for the road. Because the trade-off is dartiness a little bit. You know, the, the 911 Turbo S could turn in amazingly without the dartiness on the road. The Corvette needs that alignment and needs those sticky tires, and, and it would be better driving on the road if it didn't have either of those things. Having said that, it was fine on the road, but if it was wet, if it's bumpy, it's a little, it's a little of this.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Is the 911 still using brake vectoring? I know it's all-wheel drive, so it's, it's definitely doing some clever stuff with like, the front diff to help you turn, but I'm wondering if it also...

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  Brake vectoring?

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Remember, a couple, maybe like, eight years ago, the turbo would drag the inside front brake. A lot of people were doing it, but I remember them specifically were going through front pads really quickly, because that was part of their trick to get it to turn. So I'm wondering if they still do that, or more than maybe this does, or, or just the diff?

• 1:03:45Matt Farah?

  Well, they have, they've, you know, they've got, it could just be a smarter diff. I think once they had PTV Plus, once it became, you know, Porsche Torque Vectoring, which is an active diff, I think maybe that. And it does have that e-motor in the PDK gearbox, so it does have some level of regenerative braking as well.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's got a, oh, super quick tangent, promise it's very quick. Speaking of clever diffs, Chris Rosales has an M2 non-CS, like a new one, and was able to get the programming to make his diff act like the CS diff. The hardware is the same.

• 1:04:16Matt Farah?

  Nice.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  So it's like the 911, you know, ST software. So if you have an M2, look that up.

• 1:04:24Matt Farah?

  There you go. So yeah, the Grand, you know, the Grand Sport, you know, like all other Corvettes, is, is best value in class, you know, for sure. It's just, if you want to go fast, and, and...

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Now, would you Grand Sport, or would you Z06?

• 1:04:37Matt Farah?

  I would, I would Z06. The downside of the Grand Sport is that if you're used to high-revving cars, you're going to run out of revs in this thing all the time, and like, bang the rev limit or a bunch, because it's not just low at 6500 RPM, but it's so smooth. This engine is really smooth, that you just forget you're there. It just happens, you just forget you're there.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  It probably feels like you have another thousand RPM.

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  It feels like you should. Yeah, it feels like you should. Yeah. Which actually is probably the one drawback of the Valhalla. The Valhalla redlines at like, 6800, and it really feels like it should, now it's fast as fuck, but like, you know, Pagani's, the Utopia redlines at 6300 or something. It's like a lazy ass motor. What other cars? We've got like, two more. The Elantra NTCR, which is a lot of whang. I had the most seat time in this car, because I drove it to Thunderhill and then back when we were done. So, look,

• 1:05:45Matt Farah?

  for 40, low 40,000s, this is a hell of a car. Still, the TCR Edition is named after the class that they race in, and there are a few real upgrades on it. It has new wheels, it has better brakes, it has a rear brace behind the rear seats, and it has this big ass swan-neck wing, which is, if you ask me, incredibly embarrassing to be seen with.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  It is as tall as the roof, for people who are listening.

• 1:06:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Which, at least it doesn't block the visibility. It's tall enough where you fully are looking under it out the rearview mirror. So, look, it drives, for what it is, you know, which is, you know, this isn't going to be someone's weekend track day car. This is going to be their car. For what it is, which is a car that holds five people and a bunch of luggage, it's beautiful to drive. It's, you know, fast enough for really anybody to be, it's, it's a, it's a beginner, intermediate level pace car, but it isn't slow. I mean, you put, you put your foot down in this thing and it goes. Manual gearbox, or you get a DTT, this one was a manual. Good supportive seats that really hold you

• 1:06:58Matt Farah?

  in. You can really set a bunch of different modes, and it, it's got adjustability that you typically only get in higher-end cars, plus multiple individual modes, which really do matter. The brakes were really, really good, and when you, even though it's a pretty long wheelbase, it's not a GTI. This is a big, you know, long car. When you stand on the brakes, you, it, it really wants to rotate for you. You can do lift-off rotation, and even though the wing looks stupid, there's a negative G crest at Thunderhill West, it does keep the back end in line in high-speed kinks.

• 1:07:38Matt Farah?

  But this thing really has all of the good front-wheel-drive dynamics that you're looking for from that type of car. And also, it's like a practical car. And downsides, it kept telling me I needed to take breaks for coffee. Like every 25 minutes.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  I think every car now has gotten more aggressive about that. The last, I had three press cars in three weeks from three different companies. And all of them make way more noise than like, Sarah's car's a year old and it doesn't do any of that. Some of it has to do with the driver monitoring systems that they all have. They're just all like far more aggressive and scoldy.

• 1:08:15Matt Farah?

  But like, I literally stopped for gas. Like, I stopped, pump, went inside, got fucking coffee, pissed, came back out, continued driving, not 10 minutes later. Bing! Like, bitch, you know I was just stopped for 20 minutes.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  It's watching you drink coffee.

• 1:08:38Matt Farah?

  What the fuck are we doing here?

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  I think, I think, I've noticed on some cars, if I do a weird move, like, you know, I'm clearly moving the lane a bit and have to correct it, it goes, it just puts that up as a blanket, "Hey, are you paying attention?"

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  And I went through every menu possible in this car to try and turn that motherfucker off. Doesn't exist. It's gone. So, that was very annoying. But, you know, other than that, dynamically, this is a very nice car. I mean, I like the shifter a little better in the Civic Type R. I'd rather own the Acura Integra Type S. But both of those are substantially more expensive than this and perform essentially the same.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  So, this is, this is enormous value still, you know. If you can get it with the TCR shit, except the wing, you know, the wing does work, but if I see one of these on the street, I'll be amazed.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I mean, even the regular Elantra N has the rear strut bar. Like, it came with, and there's a red thing in the back, and you can still fold the seats down, which is great. Just doesn't have, I'm sure they've done some updates since that, but you, the Elantra N, which you've driven on track too, like, fantastic value, competes with Civic Type R, and just doesn't look as good, but like, $10,000 less?

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  A lot less. It's a lot less. Last, but certainly not least, the Ferrari 296 Special. I have been a little down on Ferrari recently. They haven't had products that have really blown me away that I've, that I've driven, but the 296 Special is pretty goddamn good. I mean, it is, it is seriously fast.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Sorry, Jethro had a picture of it in the sun and the color really popped, but I think...

• 1:10:22Matt Farah?

  The green?

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it was in the stories.

• 1:10:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the green, the green was really good. This one, this one had, I want to say it was $300,000 in options on it, which is nuts.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  I am aghast. I'm not, we don't have cameras up right now, but whoa.

• 1:10:39Matt Farah?

  It's nuts. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Is there a second car in it?

• 1:10:42Matt Farah?

  It's crazy. It is crazy. So, you don't, I would maybe skip the 300K in options. So, you know, upside is, I already thought the 296 drove very well to begin with, and actually, I think that this makes that, those better. I mean, it's, it's incredibly fizzy, it's fucking so fast, it has, it slides really nicely, has a great steering ratio, and actually, they've done these, some, some sort of tubes that ducked the engine sound in a certain way. Doesn't sound very good outside the car. It's quiet.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Matt Farah?

  I mean, it doesn't, it's a pleasant sound, but it's, it's just, there's not much of it.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Well, it has EU particulates, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, but, inside the car, they've done some funny work where it actually kind of sounds like a V12.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:11:40Matt Farah?

  It, it really has done this thing that's got a real V12-y vibe, and it sounds like really, it does sound very nice.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  Even the regular, I drove the GT, the Spyder years ago, and I went, I was really, I went into it very cynical, because I'm like, V6, blah, blah, blah. Does a pretty good impression of a V12. I'm sure it's only gotten better.

• 1:11:58Matt Farah?

  It sounds, it sounds awesome. You know, and now, and now they have the steering wheel with the buttons, which is better.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:07Matt Farah?

  Not good, mind you, but better. Still, trying to set the radio station, on my road drive, this motherfucker was stuck on the John Mayer station for the whole time, and I couldn't figure out, I would have to sit there for 20 minutes to figure out how to, how to do it.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Speaking of buttons.

• 1:12:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  I learned, we're, you know, talking about Golf R, did you know that FCP Euro sells...

• 1:12:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, a button kit?

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  A steering wheel retrofit button kit for Golf Rs.

• 1:12:32Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. So, it goes back to Mark VII buttons, basically?

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, like, your heater controls and stuff in the center will still be haptic, but...

• 1:12:41Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Someone mentioned this in a comment, and I'm like, whoa.

• 1:12:44Matt Farah?

  Not even $200.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  This changes everything.

• 1:12:46Matt Farah?

  That's great.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  That is amazing value. So, buttons are back. Thank God.

• 1:12:50Matt Farah?

  Our buddy, our buddy Timmy P. took his Ferrari 296 back to Ferrari to get the steering wheel retrofit, because he bought an early car.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Hell, yes.

• 1:12:59Matt Farah?

  $10,000. That's what they get. They get $10,000 bucks.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  FCP Euro, start making them for Ferraris. I mean, I hope you get a whole...

• 1:13:07Matt Farah?

  Nope.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Wheel?

• 1:13:09Matt Farah?

  Nope.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  It's just the buttons.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  Actually, and he, and he explained it in a, in a way that did sort of make sense, which is that...

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  No, it didn't.

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  Well, you're, the wheels, a lot of times are like crazy contrast stitching, tinted carbon, and like, every wheel, like, is legitimate, or many wheels are legitimately different.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Yes, true. But don't they just take your wheel apart and put the buttons on? Or do they make, they don't make you a new wheel?

• 1:13:34Matt Farah?

  They do not make, because I asked, I said, "Do you get to keep the old wheel?" And he was like, "It's not a new wheel, it's a new center bit."

• 1:13:39Speaker 01

  Right, that's what I'm saying. But it's Ferrari.

• 1:13:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Also, the seats are not, the seats look amazing. They look like Lancia Estrato seats, which is like real cool, but I don't fit so well in the car. Yeah, the, the orange ones, the orange buckets.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:13:58Matt Farah?

  They look amazing. Like, really amazing. But, they're very, very upright, and there's not a lot of legroom, and if I had...

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  Fixed angle, I assume?

• 1:14:11Matt Farah?

  Fixed angle. And if I had to drive this car for more than like, a half hour at a time, I would be uncomfortable.

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 1:14:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And also, you know, when you power it on, it powers on in like EV mode, and then you have to press the haptic thing to fire the engine, which is sort of stupid. But, it's, it has renewed my faith in Ferrari to make a incredibly compelling product. Like, it fucking rips. It's, it's, there ain't nothing wrong with driving, with driving, no notes. It's, we can just, just, just, just leave it, we're good. Incredibly delicious, that car. So, I, that's, so, yeah, Performance Car of the Year is coming out and running track. And look, those are, those are my opinions about the cars.

• 1:15:09Matt Farah?

  There's 13 editors, everyone gets an equal vote, and I have a very poor track record of voting for the winner. Only one time in the last seven years have I actually voted for the winner. That was the ZR1 last year. Outside of that, I, I vote for the second-place car almost every time. So, but, it's going to be a really fun story. It was, it was fun working with my friends. I mean, normally, it's usually just me and Zach, or even myself, so getting to go to work with a, with a group of my friends for a week was a, was a really good time.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  Big shoots like that are fun.

• 1:15:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  I miss that stuff.

• 1:15:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, that's, that's awesome. And I have a very, I have one other funny story, and then we'll get to, get to some questions, but, the, we get to Willows, California, which is where Thunder Hill is, and it is overwhelmingly a terrible place.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  It's a very small town. I don't know if it's called a city.

• 1:16:07Matt Farah?

  It is a town.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Small population, and it's, I think, surrounded effectively by like, rice field, agriculture field, like, there's just not much there.

• 1:16:14Matt Farah?

  It's just a remote town, like so many remote towns that are near racetracks, but, but it's hot, and it's, it's not pretty, and so, anyway, it's, it's a tough place to spend a couple, couple days. Not much to eat there, although, pro tip, the sushi spot is the spot. Someone had to do it, I went and tried it, it was delicious.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:16:40Matt Farah?

  Swear to God.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  I believe you.

• 1:16:42Matt Farah?

  It's as good as any, like, neighborhood joint in LA. Like, it won't blow your mind, but like, for Willows, it's as good as the kind of place we would go on a Tuesday.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:53Matt Farah?

  Like, 20 of us went, nobody had any ill effects. It was good. So, so I check into the Holiday Inn in Willows, which is a, even by Holiday Inn standards, is not a good Holiday Inn. And I get to my room, and my room has like an overwhelming mildew smell, okay? And I go straight back down, and I go, "Guys, look, I apologize, no, you know, I'm not normally the kind of person to do this, but my room has a serious mildew smell, and I am here for three nights, and it's, you know, I'm genuinely concerned I might get some kind of upper respiratory infection. Can I switch rooms?" And they go, "I'm sorry, sir, the hotel's completely booked."

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  And I, I had just pulled up, there's maybe two cars in the parking lot. I go, "I don't get it," but they go, "I swear, the hotel's booked up." "Okay." And he goes, "But we'll send housekeeping, we'll see what we can do." "Oh, fine." So, I go up, and like 10 minutes later, knock on the door, which I assume is housekeeping. It's not housekeeping. It's the manager, who's like, "Housekeeping's gone for the day, but maybe this'll, this will help out," and hands me a mostly empty can of Fabreeze.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:18:13Matt Farah?

  And I was like, you for real, bro?

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  I was like, do you not like me?

• 1:18:17Matt Farah?

  I was like, this seems like worse than saying, I can't do anything.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Did he say Elon sent this and he walked away?

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  I was like, you can't be for real. I was like, this doesn't help with like mold? I was like, so I, you know, I wasn't happy and I texted a picture of the Hannah. I was like, what the fuck? But I guess he sensed my displeasure with his offer because like five minutes later, I got a phone call from someone who said the next night they would give me the better room, which they did. And but like, yeah, the can of Fabreeze.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Here, use this. If you're gonna spew, spewing this. Yeah, it's like such a, such a bad gesture. Like you should have just not done it.

• 1:19:02Matt Farah?

  You've just done nothing.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  I understand you trying, but that's not the way to do it.

• 1:19:05Matt Farah?

  Someone should have told you, the customer will be insulted by this offer.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:10Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, so we'll get to questions, but real before we do, last minute, shout out to my friend, Big Chris, who thought we needed more tabletop artwork and sent us this. This is a 1960 Watson Roadster, which not normally our style, not normally our style at all.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  I want to drive one though. Oh my gosh.

• 1:19:29Matt Farah?

  Sure, but it is significant because he got it from Brock Yates's charity estate auction.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:19:37Matt Farah?

  And this apparently lived on Brock Yates's desk for his entire writing career, including while he was writing the Cannonball Run and, and now it, now it lives here.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:19:52Matt Farah?

  And the, the box is signed by Brock Yates. It's funny that the, cause what am I gonna display this outer box? Why isn't, why isn't that part signed by Brock Yates?

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  I wonder why.

• 1:20:03Matt Farah?

  But it's pretty cool.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  I wonder why Brock was so into this particular car. I'm sure we can find that out.

• 1:20:07Matt Farah?

  I'm sure we could find the connection somewhere, but it's, uh, lives here now.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  It's heavy.

• 1:20:12Matt Farah?

  From the desk of Brock Yates. It's kinda cool, huh? Shout out to Big Chris. I like that.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  That's very cool.

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  I like that.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Watson Roadster.

• 1:20:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  This looks like an exciting thing to try to control.

• 1:20:22Matt Farah?

  It's like an old Indy car.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a cigar car, but with way, with way more power than like, you know, an early Lotus F1 car.

• 1:20:30Matt Farah?

  For real.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Front engine, big inline four.

• 1:20:34Matt Farah?

  Um, so, uh, good times, good times indeed. Uh, let's go to the people. Yeah, we got a few minutes to do that. Patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast. We love you folks at Patreon. You keep our ship floating down the ocean. Um, we have a special announcement for our patrons. If you're in Miami, the Time to Drive Festival, uh, I originally thought that, uh, you could get into our live show with the ticket to the, to the festival. I found out later that wasn't the case, but that didn't quite sit right with us. And so we have struck a deal. We have secured 70 free tickets to, for TST patrons.

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  If you're a patron at any tier, you can see our show for free at the Time to Drive Festival. Now you gotta, you have to get into the event. So you buy a ticket to the event. We're gonna post on the Patreon page, um, if not today, tomorrow. Everything okay?

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. I'll tell you later.

• 1:21:37Matt Farah?

  All right. We're gonna, we're gonna post on the page. We have a code that will give you, you, you go to, you have to buy, you'll go to quote, buy the ticket. You type in the code, it'll give you a hundred percent discount. You'll get your ticket for free. If, if a patron out there has already purchased a ticket for money, let me know, DM us, uh, through Patreon and we will see that we, what we can do about getting you that refund or send you something a little special for the love in exchange, whatever. We want to make it right. So in Miami, November, uh, 7th and 8th, Time to Drive Festival, Watches and Cars, Live Smoking Tire Podcast, and if you're a patron, you can get in for free with a code that we will put on the Patreon page. Does that make sense?

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  You're getting to our show for free.

• 1:22:24Matt Farah?

  To our show for free. Uh, also our Willow Reimagine show on October 17th, we've just learned, is likely not going to be a quote, live audience show. We're gonna record a show with some special guests in the booth, but we're gonna be hanging out. So Willow Reimagined, October 17th at Willow Springs Raceway. Um, I'm gonna have the pink car out there and maybe we'll bring the giveaway car out there too. That, that could be cool. Show off the giveaway car. And, um, we'll be hanging out, doing the karting, um, checking, hanging out with people. So come out and say hi and, uh, we may have something special for patrons at Willow Reimagine,

• 1:23:06Matt Farah?

  but that's October 17th. Okay, let's get to questions. Queers, shifting gears. They're always shifting those goddamn gears in dresses.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  They're changing things around, confusing us. Uh, meaning, meaning like the topics, you're like, shifting gears, shifting gears.

• 1:23:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:23:25Speaker 01

  I like how that sounded.

• 1:23:26Matt Farah?

  They're always transitioning. No. Uh, you discuss not using the frunk on the Taycan and other EVs. Do you find the same thing for the frunk on the Boxer and Cayman? So here's the thing, in Zespida, to open the rear trunk, you have to unpop the roof. So you can't really use the rear trunk with the roof is, when the roof is closed so much. So like, I mainly use the front trunk as the trunk. In the, in like a 911, it's probably split between trunk and like huck it in the backseat.

• 1:24:06Matt Farah?

  But I really only use the rear trunk if I'm like going on a trip and I'm putting like suitcases in.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Cause stuff also gets warm back there. I feel like, and if I, when I approach like a Boxer, when I'm driving one, I'm walking toward the front of it. I'll put something in the front because it's like the first trunk available. So it really depends on where, which direction I approach from.

• 1:24:26Matt Farah?

  If you're, if you have a Boxer with a power top, which is anyone but the Spyder, you can open the rear trunk all the time and it would, I would probably use it more. Just saying. Quadrofoliopace, what's worse, the yellow shipping protectors people leave on the front corner of Chargers and Challengers or the fake vents people cover the rear passenger windows of Mustangs with? Uh, what are similar unfortunate plastic acceler- accessories? We really stopped talking about the Hellcat, uh, yellow things, didn't we?

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Four years, but that was 10 years ago, I think.

• 1:25:02Matt Farah?

  They kinda stopped doing it, right? It sort of fell out of favor.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  It fell out of fashion, but it lasted a while. I remember, I was like, if, if, if I was a smarter, more driven person, making those in different color patterns, I'm sure I would have made a million dollars. Like it's an accent, so it's jewelry for the car. I think the, I don't know, the fake vent thing, like we've driven.

• 1:25:20Matt Farah?

  Those are bad.

• 1:25:22Speaker 01

  When they, when they're stuck on with glue, that's the worst.

• 1:25:25Matt Farah?

  Well, that would make, that makes them fake.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  But what, well, but like the old cars, like we've driven the, uh.

• 1:25:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, they're bad on the 68 Shelby's too.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Right. They don't go anywhere.

• 1:25:34Matt Farah?

  That's not new.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  I mean, right. So there's, there's fake vents, but then there's ones you add on to replicate the old car. And I think that's worse.

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  That's meta. So that's actually, you've described even worse. So now we're putting fake vents on to mimic the fake vents that the original car had.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  We're putting non-functioning parts on to replicate a non-functioning part. Now, and the, the front spat shipping things, at least it protects you from scraping your car if you have a low driveway.

• 1:26:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I guess.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:26:03Matt Farah?

  No, that's bad. That's bad. Similar unfortunate, you know, fake hood scoops.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Hood scoops are terrible. And you see them on fast and slow cars. Fake, he's facing backwards. That's my favorite. Um, and then big wings with the wing angled up.

• 1:26:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Cause it's literally dangerous.

• 1:26:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, deactivate cylinder firing in the West Bank. Is Stuttgart or Leipzig better for Porsche European delivery? If you're playing to drive the car around Europe, uh, the museum is in Stuttgart, but I've heard the driving is better near Leipzig. You know, it's been a while, but I remember the last time I was there, I drove from Stuttgart to Leipzig. Um, Leipzig is where the Porsche Experience Center is. So if you want to drive on the track at the Experience Center, that's, that's where that is. But I could not answer the other, I mean, Stuttgart doesn't have amazing roads right around it. You have to kinda look for them a little bit, right?

• 1:27:06Matt Farah?

  I think you have to look for them a little bit, but like, I mean, if you're gonna drive around Europe, Stuttgart and Leipzig are not that far apart. You, you're, you could, you could go to either and have your whole European road trip ahead of you. I would just go immediately to Switzerland. European delivery to, directly to mountains, please. Carbon Monocock and Ball Torture. After hearing about your experience with the GT3 SC versus your Spyder, do you think that modding out of class is becoming an increasingly more attractive route for people looking to upgrade to the newer, faster thing? Well, I mean, I guess any like reimagined car could be considered modding out of class if that, if you wanted to.

• 1:27:50Matt Farah?

  But I, I consider those effectively new cars.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  But haven't people been doing this for a long time? Like.

• 1:27:56Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  Get Corvette modifying and go, it is now as fast as more expensive thing. So I think that's just been happening for a long time.

• 1:28:03Matt Farah?

  I agree. I just think that like, people might want to do it for different reasons, like not my cheap car is as expensive, as fast as the new expensive car, as like my analog car can now perform like, I can get like a new car, but that would have to be very digital. Like one of the things, like one of the things that I appreciated about getting back in the Spyder was like, oh, wait a minute, like regular gauges.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:32Matt Farah?

  And like real buttons, like that's actually, I actually prefer that to the 992.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  That's a good question. Are we now modding to make, to get modern performance, but keeping some of the older tech we liked? Whereas before you would always want the newer tech and the newer performance.

• 1:28:47Matt Farah?

  I think, I think that's the case. Yeah, I think that's the case. People would rather, you know, uh, do a, do a manual swap and put in a set of Olin's and good brakes in a Ferrari 430 than go out and buy a 296 maybe, you know? Christian in Chicago, your Tesla Model X review is very old now and FSD has been updated since then. I'd like your unbiased review of its current state.

• 1:29:20Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, I

• 1:29:25Matt Farah?

  I don't think

• 1:29:28Matt Farah?

  the problem with it is, I don't actually think just like going for a ride in a Tesla where FSD is engaged, like, that's not data. And like Tesla won't give data. They won't share actual numbers. Um, they share fudge numbers. There is no independent review, uh, that I've seen of FSD data versus, um, other modern cars equipped with ADAS. There's only the cherry picked data that, uh, that where they compared FSD versus an autopilot versus all cars on the road, which was not an apples to apples comparison.

• 1:30:09Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, now that we have Waymos and now that we know about LiDAR and now that we know a lot more about, or I mean, at least I know and Zach knows more about how these things work and what their limitations are.

• 1:30:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, I'm not that interested. A camera only system still has the same limitations now as it had seven years ago. So I, I, I don't, I mean, it might be able to do some things better now, but people are still having like huge problems with it and still doing crazy shit.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  It's true. Last week, my brother, my brother's looking for a new car and he test drove a Model Y L, I guess, or no, Model Y, but he wanted to get an L for his family. And he, and my brother is not like technology and he's like, dude, it was crazy. I punched an address, it backed out of the driveway like it did the whole thing with FSD. And I said, oh, that's amazing. I was like, I also have been getting served a lot of videos on a Reddit Tesla subreddit of FSD making really simple mistakes that could be really problematic. And he had not heard of that. So it's, I think it comes back to the video. It's like, there's the anecdotal experience of us testing the car and like, all right, maybe it does this really well, or it has some foibles here. But then there's the larger problem we have with the company, which is like the public testing, the lack of data.

• 1:31:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  And when it has these disconnections or these problems, if it leads to an accident, where's the blame going? So it's like a larger story than just here's how the car operates. He also said the new Y rides like garbage.

• 1:31:34Matt Farah?

  I was just in, so get this, I went to, uh, the Grand Seiko GS9 event. Shout out to Grand Seiko, love them, wearing my like Sua right now, uh, in Beverly Hills. And it was real hot and, uh, I was like, you know, probably going to be drinking some Japanese whiskey. So I took, with Hannah, we took a Waymo and it was one of them blue Chinese vans. And this was the worst driving Waymo I have ever been in. It, it was very, it's, it's, it's spatial awareness was very poor. It thought it couldn't get through gaps that it could get easily get through and consequently created roadblocks in certain ways.

• 1:32:15Matt Farah?

  It couldn't find somewhere safe to pull over for us and it like blocked traffic and like kind of froze there. And I had to like, you know, hit the end ride button early and it was like, do you want to end ride? And then once we got out, it like continued to block traffic for a while. It was, it was actually like one of the worst drivers I've been in as far as Waymos. And also these new, these new fucking blue vans just suck my ass.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  I wonder if it's the van, cause I was, uh, taking pictures of the Kona, which we'll talk about on a different show, but basically I'm, I'm sitting, I'm parked, garbage truck is in the lane on coming to me, stopped in a neighborhood and a Waymo comes past me at like 22 miles per hour, slows to 12 and then moves left into oncoming, past the truck.

• 1:33:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Like, and there was no one coming, but I was shocked at how quickly it made that move compared to three months ago where it would have stopped, looked, waited. But this was the I pace. So I'm wondering if they have different software.

• 1:33:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think they learn a hundred percent as fleets. I, I'm not sure they're updated like universally the same all the time, but this one, this one was a legitimately bad driver. And, uh, so bad that we were, Hannah was like, we are not taking one of those home. So we, we, we called a traditional, uh, Uber and it was a Tesla Model Y, uh, with a very nice woman driving it. And this thing rode like dog shit. Oh, it was fucking crashy back there.

• 1:33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, always has been.

• 1:33:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, brutal.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  So, you know, Jack from Savage Geese went to the launch of the three performance and he, I think that comes with, with adaptive shocks and supposed to ride well, but everything below that gets their garbage and they still are not doing a very good job.

• 1:33:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Harlequin E63 AMG, what's the most cringe worthy Carson coffee attendee you've seen recently? Uh, last week we saw a ridiculously dressed Ferrari FF owner blasting jazz out of his car while drinking white wine and smoking a cigar at 9:00 AM. I'm sorry, they just positioned that person as being bad. He was, he was saying that.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  They're saying that's cringe worthy. That guy is having a great time.

• 1:34:28Matt Farah?

  That guy rules and should be celebrated.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Matt Farah?

  As long as he's not driving home drunk, that guy should be celebrated.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  I mean, if the jazz is too loud, that is obnoxious, but if he's like, this is what I like to do, I mean, that sounds like a pretty pleasant thing to, to do.

• 1:34:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  You know, don't, don't kink shame.

• 1:34:44Matt Farah?

  I mean, the, the, the most cringe worthy thing you can do at a Cars and Coffee is like try to show off your driving.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:51Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? That could be a first gear pull to red line. I mean, I would say, I, I was up at Newcombs Ranch, which is not good vibes anymore. Right? It should be clear. Their good vibes is unfortunately dead. Um, which is fine. People still, huh? What? Good vibes are dead? Yeah.

• 1:35:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, well, because Nicole died? Is that what we're saying?

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, I mean.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  It kind of did end with her passing away. And, uh, I know you didn't mean to make that pun, obviously.

• 1:35:23Matt Farah?

  I mean, I know, I certainly didn't.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  I think Jay would probably nod and laugh with me, but, um, I just, yeah.

• 1:35:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, I guess I, yeah, now that you mentioned it, that car show did bring her joy in her final years.

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  And she passed away and then Jay went on like a two-year grief road trip. And so he wasn't no longer, his presence was no longer there and it kind of continued, but now it's just like a meet.

• 1:35:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, car meets that aren't like actively nurtured. And I think, and someone bought Newcombs Ranch and is trying to bring back the, or, or maintain the Newcombs Ranch brand. So their Instagram is active again and whatever. And that's just to say that, uh, there has been, have been a bunch of new people up there, less of the old people, which is also totally fine. A lot of the new people are young. And you know what Paul Kramer said to me? Fucking, it was so funny. He's like, he's like, look at all these young people up here. I was like, oh, it's, yeah, it's pretty cool there. And you know, they're in like more affordable cars, modded stuff, JDM. He goes, yeah, and they're all smoking cigarettes. He goes, look, there's, they're not vaping.

• 1:36:24Speaker 01

  They were.

• 1:36:25Matt Farah?

  They're all smoking cigarettes now. And I was like, yeah.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:36:28Matt Farah?

  Let's get back to it.

• 1:36:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:36:30Matt Farah?

  Let's get back to it.

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:36:31Matt Farah?

  It's better than vaping.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:36:34Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  Debatable.

• 1:36:35Matt Farah?

  Probably better.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Vaping is worse for you than people thought.

• 1:36:38Matt Farah?

  You look cooler if you're smoking cigarettes though.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  True, based on movies that we watched when we were younger. Now I don't know if people do, that's totally what it was. We were marketed to so early for cigarettes. Yeah. So, so I'm wondering.

• 1:36:49Matt Farah?

  But did that ever work for vaping?

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:36:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, no cowboy ever plugged, unplugged his thing from a USB and was like, we gotta get him. Um, young people don't smoke cigarettes. You're gonna get lung cancer.

• 1:37:02Matt Farah?

  But I was, it was, it was, anyway.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  I understand.

• 1:37:05Matt Farah?

  Cringe worthy, the cringe worthy thing that people do up there is full like warp speed flybys of that parking lot. I saw a guy in a fucking Miata that had like a turbo and like a wing, it looked like a Time Attack car. I saw him coming from so far away at a speed, I was like, did someone bring one of the McMurtries up here? Like I saw this little car with a huge wing. This guy came by the fucking parking lot with hundreds of people in it, like it was turn one at Road Atlanta. On it. Like, like broke in a straight line and was full throttle again at the start of the, like, I was just like, stand the fuck, like, so that's it.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Matt Farah?

  By far.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  I think if you're in the driver's seat, you go, especially if you're a younger person, like I'm going to show off and show people how cool I am or my car is. If you go past people at a reasonable speed in a lower gear, like your car will make cool sounds and you don't endanger anybody. Showing off how fast you can go is like a game you can only lose, but you can't really win. Cause no one cares. No one, no one goes, wow, I'm gonna suck that guy's dick.

• 1:38:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. There's no speed trap there.

• 1:38:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:18Matt Farah?

  Like you don't get to show, it's just.

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  We'll hear your car anyway. Don't do that stuff.

• 1:38:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. Just bought a GT3, 991 dot two, very nice. I'm coming from an R8 V10 and before that a BMW M3 competition. Both of those cars were my dream cars and then eventually weren't my dream cars anymore. Have you, have you ever experienced the same habituation effect where you're enamored with it when you're new and over time it fades and then eventually you need to get something new? It's, uh, yes.

• 1:38:50Speaker 01

  Have you ever had that happen, Matt? Like, have you ever got a, bought a car and thought, um, and said, I'm gonna keep this forever? And then you didn't do that?

• 1:38:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's happened. Has happened. Yeah. Cause when a car is your dream car, most of the time it's your dream car before you have it. Like it's a, it's an aspiration, it's a goal, it's a motivation to work hard or, or whatever. And you've heard other people talk about how it drives. You've seen videos of maybe, you know, Clarkson or whoever, me or Harris driving it, you know, and you go, that's, that sounds like the kind of thing that I would just love. But, you know, it becomes normal and something about it you don't like. You, you hate how the seat pinches your thigh actually, or you can't see out of it, or it's a bitch to maintain and whatever, you know?

• 1:39:43Matt Farah?

  And yeah, the new thing comes out and you want to try the new thing.

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  And also like for some consumerism, uh, Huberman did a good podcast about dopamine. You would get more of it shopping and thinking about getting a thing than getting the thing.

• 1:39:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:57Speaker 01

  So you, you're more excited, you know, choosing the car in some respects than when you buy the car.

• 1:40:02Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  Now you might fall in love with it for other reasons, but like it's totally natural, like literally for it to trail off and it's for your enjoyment of it to trail off.

• 1:40:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is why I always have a project going, always. Throughout, look at my last 15 years of my life, there's always been some kind of build going. And the fucking second I get that, there's another build going. Like I can't help myself. The idea of having something being built is too awesome to, to not have. And then the good news is most of the time I've at least kept the car and enjoyed it.

• 1:40:43Matt Farah?

  To whatever extent I was able, but I haven't like been like it showed up and like, oh, nope.

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  Well, and you also don't sell it right away. You usually keep these for like one to two years.

• 1:40:53Matt Farah?

  Few years, do some shit with it and then, you know, on to the next thing. That's okay. Just don't put like, the, the only problem with that scenario is you or me or anybody putting that pressure on yourself to keep it forever. Or to go, this was my dream car six years ago and therefore, people are going to say, but that was your dream car. Well, don't do that. It's like, here's what I drive now. Drive it until the, I'm, I, now I, I used to say forever, as you accurately pointed out. Now I say, how long, are you going to keep that forever? No. I will keep this until the day I get bored with it plus one day. Then it will be for sale. Like, that's it. I got very lucky that I came home and

• 1:41:37Matt Farah?

  holy shit, did I like that pink car again? What a treat.

• 1:41:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:41Matt Farah?

  Now the idea of selling that for something else seems stupid, but it only took like five weeks of not driving it for me to be enamored with a shiny new thing. Didn't take that hard. Didn't take that long. Okay. Uh, one more and then we'll save the rest, but don't worry. I'm going out of town. So we have lots of podcasting to do. Sage says,

• 1:42:02Matt Farah?

  okay, at 50, 75 and a hundred thousand dollars, what cars make you feel like you're in a fighter jet cockpit? I mean, 50, 75,000 and 100,000? The answer to all of those are Corvette. That's it. C8.

• 1:42:18Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that's true. I was going to say like Ariel Atom or Exocet, Exocet. Cause Ariel Atom is too, too expensive.

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  Actually, I'll take it back. Those, an Exocet feels like you're flying a plane, not sitting in one.

• 1:42:33Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  A Corvette feels like you're sitting in a plane, especially if you still have the abstinence wall. Cause then you're like really wrapped up in that thing.

• 1:42:43Matt Farah?

  The problem is in today's market, 50, 75 and 100,000 are not necessarily buying you like different classes of car.

• 1:42:53Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:42:53Speaker 01

  Buying a new car. You have to go.

• 1:42:56Matt Farah?

  What 50,000 dollar car, new or used, feels like a fighter plane?

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  Well, if it's fighter plane in terms of agility and performance.

• 1:43:04Matt Farah?

  Making, make you feel like you're in a fighter jet cockpit, including driving experience, controls and speed.

• 1:43:13Matt Farah?

  50, all right, 50,000, here's the closest you're gonna get.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  Corvette.

• 1:43:18Matt Farah?

  Is a Golf R. It's got a bunch of screens, paddle shifters. It's pretty fast, bunch of different settings.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  I mean, used M4.

• 1:43:30Matt Farah?

  Used M4.

• 1:43:31Speaker 01

  Like a recent, like a two-year-old M4.

• 1:43:33Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  You know, huge screen, very fast. And you can make, you can make the gauges do that stupid vertical line thing that looks like

• 1:43:40Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, very good.

• 1:43:41Speaker 01

  Targeting system.

• 1:43:42Matt Farah?

  You can, yeah. So you can, the targeting system gauges.

• 1:43:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And if you're a big, this person's a big dude. They said double XL, so C8 throughout.

• 1:43:48Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  M4 or used two-year-old M3.

• 1:43:52Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good. I like that. Yeah.

• 1:43:56Matt Farah?

  75K, those electric Mercedes, the EQs, when you do a launch is like, it has this whole Star Wars thing that happens. It's very stupid, but like, ah.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  And you do feel like you could tap screens like, like Hansel and Mc. And then you go.

• 1:44:14Matt Farah?

  Lucid?

• 1:44:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:16Matt Farah?

  A Lucid, possibly for 75?

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  Spaceship.

• 1:44:21Matt Farah?

  And, and then you're like, and, and actually you, you know, you, you drive a Lucid in the canyon and you kind of feel like flying a glider a little bit.

• 1:44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. I would take that over the Mercedes for sure.

• 1:44:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. 100K is

• 1:44:38Matt Farah?

  fighter jet. Not a lot of fighter jets at 100K.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Even like a Navara, that's too soft.

• 1:44:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  It's not locked down enough. You'd have to go like.

• 1:44:50Matt Farah?

  Audi R8 V8, an older one. Eh? Ish?

• 1:44:56Speaker 01

  I don't think they're fast enough.

• 1:44:57Matt Farah?

  I mean.

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  They're like, they're not.

• 1:44:59Matt Farah?

  They're not that fast.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  They're not that fast and the steering's not great. It's not, it's not going to have, feel like it's pivoting really quickly. So I don't think you're going to have that fighter jet thing.

• 1:45:07Matt Farah?

  R35 GT-R.

• 1:45:08Speaker 01

  Hmm, yes.

• 1:45:09Matt Farah?

  Highly digital. Cocoon-like.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  And you get the toggles that you can press to turn off and on different like safety systems. Yeah, that's a good one.

• 1:45:20Matt Farah?

  R35 GT-R. Good question though.

• 1:45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:24Matt Farah?

  But, uh, yeah, you, if you want real, real fighter, the most fighter jetty is, I mean, you're obviously your Lamborghinis are very fighter jetty and your C8 Corvettes are also incredibly fighter jetty. I have a really strong urge to play danger zone every time I get into a C8 Corvette. I don't know why. Can't help myself.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  Put on the new balances.

• 1:45:44Matt Farah?

  Before we get out of here, good news. My shock absorbers did arrive at Quick Classics in Nashville. So you can finish the mechanical work on my Mercedes. Woo-hoo. Event, maybe sometime this year, we'll get that car back. Um, thank you to our patrons. Um, look out for that code. If you want to come to see us in Miami, we'll post it on the Patreon page, All Tears. Thank you for asking such good questions. We will see you next Saturday at Willow Reimagined at Willow Springs. Come out, get a ticket for that and say hi to the boys. And, uh, any other announcements, Zach?

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:46:19Matt Farah?

  Not that we got. All right. We'll see you next time. Bye.