Ferrari 12C Review; Zack's M3 Goes Tracking; Q&A (FMK!)

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 2:55Matt Farah?

  And I'm putting my Acura NSX on cars and bids. Let's get the show going. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. I don't even know why I got started on that, but here we are. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. I spent all morning driving a Ferrari. So that's like the other, that's the other end of I have to deliver a car to my friend's house. Is, uh, yeah, 12C, uh, 12C, the, the Deutsche Chilindri, which remember for like a couple of weeks when Ferrari like insisted you had to say it in Italian like that, which like, it's not somebody's name. It's alphanumeric, it's 12C.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Right. Unless they're going to provide lessons.

• 3:36Matt Farah?

  If you're going to turn alphanumeric into words, which is fine, I don't have to say it in Italian. I can say 12 cylindri or 12C. Everyone's just going to say 12C. No one's gonna, no one's gonna.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  What does it say on the back?

• 3:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, on the dash, it says the number 12 and then the word cylindri.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Okay. So you are reading it as written?

• 3:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can say 12. I don't need to translate 12.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  You're reading it as written in your language, I guess.

• 4:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no. The numbers don't need to be verbally translated into their native tongues. It's not, I can't defend the 12 family by this. Um, so, uh, you know, Ferrari's naming scheme, um, when do you think Ferrari's, I mean, their naming scheme seemed to make a little more sense back in the day. Now, now some of their cars are like. Sort of silly names, I think.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Like what, like?

• 4:26Matt Farah?

  Like, like, like this and Purosangra and this new Testerosa thing that really isn't a Testerosa. They called the SP3 a Daytona, knowing they were coming out with like a Daytona throwback lookalike type car. That's kinda weird, right?

• 4:42Speaker 01

  This should have been the new Daytona.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  Like, that could have just been SP3 something, something. You know what I mean? Anything, really.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Just call it SP3.

• 4:52Matt Farah?

  SP3 is fine, but like, this is so obviously a Daytona throwback, you know, styling anyway. They could have, this could have easily been Daytona, but whatever, notwithstanding. Um, you know, mechanically fairly similar to the 812 Superfast. Uh, front mid V12, so you have this very long wheelbase and you sit just in front of the rear axle and the entire motor is behind the front axle, which is, which is pretty cool. And it's same as the Vanquish, the new Vanquish is like that also, and the 812 was like that before. Uh, and you get a very, very unique driving experience when you have that type of setup.

• 5:33Matt Farah?

  Because it, it turns in the way like a mid-engine supercar turns in. It's just that you're sitting on a different axle. You're not on the front axle now.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:43Matt Farah?

  You're on the back axle, so it's this very sharp turn-in that's happening over there. Um, and, uh, you know, it pulls like a fucking cigarette boat, obviously. It's, it's 819 horsepower, but get this power band, right? 819 horsepower at 9250 RPM. Redline's 9500, okay? And 500 pound-feet of torque at 7250. So you have a power band, you have a redline of 9500 and peak power is happening at, at two of that. The very, the very top two, okay? So, when you do a, compare that to the Vanquish, which like, at this price point, numbers don't matter.

• 6:28Matt Farah?

  Like, no one's racing a fucking one of these things, right? This car's about how it feels. And so even though your peak power and your peak torque are like way up there, it's not like it doesn't make, you know, power and torque like it's still pretty quick, even if you don't like rev the shit out of it, but you do have to like kinda rev it like it has, it has nothing below 3000 rpm, which is hilarious. So, um.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  I was trying to find a dynograph and I didn't, but I found one for the V12 FF. So it's an evolution of it, but like, yeah, I mean, the power is just like nothing, nothing, nothing until we get way up in the rev range, you know, as you'd expect.

• 7:06Matt Farah?

  Uh, interesting. What, and what is the other line?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  I think, oh, this is a tuning company. So I think yellow is stock, then they tuned it. And then, you know, you've got, uh.

• 7:16Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Is that torque?

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Is this torque? It starts at 600?

• 7:19Matt Farah?

  That can't be right. I don't know what that is. Uh, I'm confused.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Nevermind. Back away.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  I'm confused. Um, the, uh, so, so the Vanquish, right? Has 838 horsepower, I think, at 6250 rpm and a red line is I think 77,075. And then it has peak torque is 738 at 2500. So it has way more torque for a much wider power band. Okay. So numbers wise, like the Vanquish is like quote better. Okay. It's, it's, it, the Vanquish wants to jump out of its own tires all the time. Whereas this is a like a linear build. It's, it, the whole car exists to serve this engine still existing.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  It's the same comparison we had with Pro Sanguine and like DBX. Yeah. DBX felt faster because you get hit with power, torque, whatever. The acceleration, you know, really starts earlier and then you have to rev the hell out of the Ferrari, but you do it because it's fun.

• 8:26Matt Farah?

  Right. It's a different character of a car. So. You know, the good thing is it's a fucking NAV12 that makes almost as much power as Aston's twin turbo V12. And it revs even higher. It makes a crazy sound. It's not very loud, below like 6,000.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 8:46Matt Farah?

  It's quiet. I think it's got, it's Euroed up.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is a US spec car, but I think they just make them the same. So like, we may need an aftermarket exhaust, ideally one with a valve. Because like, this volume is, is good for like, the quiet mode.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Did this have a valve exhaust?

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  No.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Really?

• 9:05Matt Farah?

  No.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:07Matt Farah?

  So, this car has surprisingly little stuff. Like, things you don't get for 600,000 bucks. Uh, you don't get adjustable seats, other than forward, back, up, down, and the angle. Like, you don't get lumbar, you don't get, no heated seats, by the way. Heated steering wheel, but no heated seats.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  Actually, the seats are, for this kind of car and this kind of price, the seats are not good. Straight up, they're not good. I would, uh, they're, they just, I need, I need some lumbar.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  What was the price of this one? Cause MSRP on this is 465.

• 9:46Matt Farah?

  So the Spy, this is a Spyder. The Spyder starts at 510, and this one starts with a 6.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  And it still had just, what, six-way seats or whatever?

• 9:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so no, no, not heated and cooled, and no lumbar. And the lumbar, really, at that, you know, come on. So the other thing is also sort of like the vanquish, to have this front mid V12, you have this big, long, dramatic-looking car with no legroom. So, I have a 31-inch M-seam. I'm tall, but not that tall. And my legs aren't that long, you know what I mean? I'm like, I have like a, a longer torso than I do legs. My legs aren't that long.

• 10:26Matt Farah?

  I don't have enough legroom in this car. So I drove it the last four days. I drove it about 300 miles. And my hips and lower back are like pretty shot, which, which this car and the Vanquisher not like GTs. Like just because the engine in the front, like they're not a GT like they have basically the same level of practicality as a Revuelto. They just are inverted. The small trunk, not a lot of legroom, you know, not particularly practical cars. They just happen to look like, this happens to like, look like a GT. But like Aroma or the new, the new Amalfi would probably be a better GT car, has more legroom.

• 11:05Matt Farah?

  The Bentley GT or the DB12 would be a better GT car, like substantially more cabin space and like comfort shit. But, you know, in a, in a, the sort of rarefied air of like big daddy experiences, because you drove the A12.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  I did. Still remember it. I mean, Sarah, I took her for my wife for a ride and she talks about it.

• 11:27Matt Farah?

  It's, you know, it's extremely nasty. And now that there really aren't a lot of these front engine, you know, nasty type exotic cars anymore. They're, everyone's sort of going mid-engine now. It's a unique thing. I think it looks better in person than it does in photos. I think it looks better with the top down. I would certainly have the top and the rear deck lid painted to match the body color. I don't like them in black at all. The nose bit, which is bare carbon, not, not black on this car. I don't mind that. And actually, the more I look at the front, the more I think they actually were pretty successful in nailing the front of the Daytona. The back, a little less so.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I saw it at the shop on Saturday and it was the only one I've seen in person. I didn't drive it today with you. I had to do some stuff. And I think the front looks very good. Like you said, nailed to Daytona. And it's got this like, just nice, organic, kind of simple shape to it. But the back is really busy. It's the same thing that like Aston did with a couple of the Vantage generations. You get back there and there's just like diffusers and plenums and carbon and stuff. And some of it's functional, but some of it is a design choice. And I just feel like so much of Ferrari's good design right now, like 296. 296 is a good example, like it's just smooth and looks like it could have been drawn in the 60s before they started adding on all this carbon.

• 12:50Matt Farah?

  This one, I, if you, I really need to see one with body colored, black bit on the, on the back, the rear deck lid, the trunk.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:58Matt Farah?

  In black, it makes absolutely no sense.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  It doesn't, it's a little like, hand American thing.

• 13:02Matt Farah?

  No less. So, uh, having said that, it, you know, it rides, it rides really nicely. It has that very sharp steering. Um, this car, this car inspired me to really drive like an asshole on the highway. I, you know, I, I've really, in my old age, have calmed down a lot on my highway driving. Uh, unless I'm driving like really fast EVs, I still drive like a dick. And, and, and for some reason, this car real, I think cause people already look at you like you're kind of an asshole when you're driving it, like you might as well live up to it. But it's, you have to rev the shit out of it. And what's funny is it's got like pretty

• 13:42Matt Farah?

  short gears actually, but because the power band is so high, like you're just, you're, you're ripping, you're, you're screaming the engine like all the time. Um, and it's got a high top speed and, and, and it's got a lot of gear, but it also has so many revs. It's like really funny where you, what gear you find yourself in and where. Um, but, uh, if you're under six feet tall or under 30 inch inseam and don't have a lot of luggage to carry around,

• 14:14Matt Farah?

  um, these things are fucking boss. This is a, oh, hello.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  I found one that had, I was looking for the paint match.

• 14:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is so much better. Zach found one, okay, with a body colored, uh, rear bonnet, the rear trunk bonnet. It looks infinitely better.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Took way too long to find that, by the way.

• 14:30Matt Farah?

  Well, this is guy, this is someone's custom job. I bet, this, this might not be factory.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 14:34Matt Farah?

  It also has some cool wheels on it. I was thinking that the throwback that I would want in this, cause I don't really love these wheels either. I would want either the HRE Chromadora throwback style, which is like the Ferrari F40, uh, the five star.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  That HRE would look sick on this. Or if you, I was gonna say, if you could get something that kinda looked like a wire wheel and this BBS style. Does kind of a little bit look like a wire wheel.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  But you want more more spokes with the wires, right?

• 15:06Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't I don't have the answer for what the what that wheel would look like. I just thought on the way over here, I go, I think it would look nice with something that resembled the Borani wire wheel, but like, I don't know how you would do that effectively in a wheel today that would hold up to like Ferrari G-loads.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  That's a good point, especially with like the size of brakes and everything.

• 15:27Matt Farah?

  But you could definitely do it with the HRE five stars. Uh, and they would look amazing. Those look really, they're meant for Ferraris. That could be really cool. But I mean, so, okay. And here's a weird thing. You want to hear a fucking weird thing? Folks, got to take a quick break because HelloFresh is here. You may have heard of HelloFresh from people like me. They're the number one meal kit in America, making home cooking easier with chef crafted recipes and fresh ingredients delivered straight to your door. But this fall, they're serving up even more to love. This isn't the HelloFresh you remember. It's bigger because HelloFresh has doubled its menu with up to 100 options each week, including new seasonal dishes

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• 21:53Matt Farah?

  It opens when you're getting into the car. It opens when you're getting out of the car. I will, I would frequently come to a stop, put the car in park and a, and a light would come up that says trunk open. And my trunk would be open.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  And where was the fob when that would happen?

• 22:06Matt Farah?

  So I controlled for this.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:08Matt Farah?

  I thought, oh, it must be hitting something in my, in my pocket. Took everything else in my pocket, still did it. Took the fob out of my pocket, put it in the center console, still did it.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Okay. So definitely an electrical.

• 22:19Matt Farah?

  Ghost, ghost in the machine. This, this car had 200 miles on it when I got it.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:23Matt Farah?

  Ghost in the machine. Okay. And sometimes it would open while I was driving and it wouldn't like open. It would just like, the catch would release.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Right. As if you would hit the button.

• 22:32Matt Farah?

  As if I hit the button, yeah.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  And it did while you're moving.

• 22:35Matt Farah?

  Sometimes it did while, while I was moving from one drive to the next. And then sometimes it did it, I would, I would park and then it would open. Uh, and then sometimes it would be, I would go to, I had like got out to move cameras for drive bys. And I'd go to get back in it and I'd go to put it in gear to drive away and it would flash and say trunk open. Like, like I got, got to the point where I had to check the trunk before and after every single drive. And also like, I didn't trust like leaving shit in there.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You know what I mean?

• 23:05Speaker 01

  What if it opened itself once you walked away? You didn't know you hit lock.

• 23:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Like ghost in the machine, dude.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  It's very strange that if you went, tried to go from park to drive, it would say, hey, the trunk's open. But if you were driving, it goes, yeah, sure.

• 23:17Matt Farah?

  It also, it had like a, I think it may not have been properly PDI'd because it.

• 23:24Matt Farah?

  It had a bunch of like pop up windows, you know, like not connected to network, not connected to account kind of thing like, like there's clearly you have to make some kind of Ferrari account that you can like Porsche does this too. My dad's been arguing with his, as much as he loves his Cayenne, the fucking pop up windows about logging into his Porsche account are constant. It's like, it's like a nightmare that never ends with his fucking car. By the way, it never happens with me. I like logged into my car. I have the account like he does, you know, he's 70.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  He doesn't want to do it.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  Fucking, he doesn't want an app to talk to his car. Most people don't.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Well, you need trunk app, Ferrari trunk app specifically.

• 24:02Matt Farah?

  This one's, this one was crazy. And then the other weird one is about half the time I'd fire it up. The, there's three screens, gauge cluster screen, center screen, and then there's a passenger screen also. So it's the dash is screens. And the center screen, every once in a while, maybe a third of the time would take maybe 90 seconds to two minutes to boot up past the image of a horse. Now that's like slightly problematic, right?

• 24:35Speaker 01

  It's pretty slow.

• 24:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Here's where it becomes very problematic. The nose lift is a touchscreen button in that screen. So I can't leave my house. I can't get out of my driveway until that screen boots up. I'm sitting there.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  The screen, is that also where the backup camera is?

• 24:53Matt Farah?

  No, the backup camera is in the center gauge cluster.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Okay. Okay. That was double problematic, but still, yeah, I mean, that limits how quickly you can move.

• 25:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like I, I need that nose lift to get that car into my driveway without scraping. And like, like I complained about the way, one of the ways this car definitively beat, at least the Vanquish I drove, I should really call Aston Martin and see if that's an option on the Vanquish. I was just shocked that it wasn't on the press car if it was, because the fucking scraped everywhere. And this car scrapes nowhere, because it has it. But like, sometimes you get in the car, you're sitting there, the thing is just a horse, and you're like, I'd like to get out of this driveway.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Oh, I was trying to remember which. Car I drove recently that had a slow startup and it was the Mustang Dark Horse that we had.

• 25:37Matt Farah?

  Mm hmm.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Like a few weeks ago and it was not.

• 25:40Matt Farah?

  The screens.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Ninety seconds, but it was like turn it on and you gotta wait for like thirty full seconds.

• 25:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  And that backup camera is in the center screen.

• 25:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  So you're kind of stuck there for a minute.

• 25:51Matt Farah?

  It's when shit doesn't boot up quick, that's a little bit annoying, but like, look, we're not.

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  Nobody buys, I'm just, I'm, I'm, it's weird to drive this expensive, exotic, incredibly performing car and then be complaining about silly shit like this. It's not going to keep anybody from buying the car. I mean, maybe the trunk.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  It's justified.

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  But this is my experience.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  But I also think a lot of commenters and I mean, I feel this like when you're spending this much money.

• 26:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  And it has these weird little hiccups that, you know, you think should be caught.

• 26:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  In QC.

• 26:22Matt Farah?

  Well, and like, you always gotta give up something to drive a Ferrari. You know, it used to be, some things used to be like really bad, the things you had to give up your dignity. Suck up to Enzo or whatever and he was building race cars. He like openly didn't give a fuck about you like crazy stuff, bad build quality in the seventies, everything. Now, now, like, the cars like run and drive. They don't overheat, like they're overwhelmingly very reliable cars they're building now. They really are.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  And they give you the unlimited warranty.

• 26:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they give you a beast of a warranty. This one is a, no, it's three year unlimited mile warranty with seven year unlimited mile included maintenance.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:04Matt Farah?

  I'm sure you can extend the warranty, but like, that's what this one, I just read it last night and that's what this one comes with. And like, we're talking about a pretty wonderful thing, you know, in any way that one might say, but like, it's also, you still gotta give up a little something. Shit's gonna be weird. We just don't know how yet. It's just funny, the ways that we discover in which these cars end up being weird. But like, man, does it fucking fly. It's, it's really, really fun.

• 27:39Matt Farah?

  It's, I think, I, I, I want to say that it's, it's a real treat particularly to be, to have that engine. I mean, that engine is a very, the smoothness of it.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:52Matt Farah?

  You know, um, the, the sound of it is incredibly unique. It sounds very different from Aston's engine, which is, um, more of a bass tone. This is a high, a very high pitched, um, thing. It definitely needs some pipes. Um, it was really nice with the top down. I made the video with the top down today. It was, it was great with the top down.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  I hadn't seen the interior, so I just wanted to pull that up.

• 28:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's, it's a lot of screen.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:17Matt Farah?

  Um, and for a, for a huge car on the outside, it's 10 inches longer than a 911. Um, it's actually three inches shorter than a Bentley GT, but a Bentley GT has a full backseat. A Bentley GT has a lot, a lot, a lot more legroom.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  It's just funny. It shows you what proportion does.

• 28:39Matt Farah?

  Proportion.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Cause this car looks low, probably is lower at roof height than a Bentley GT.

• 28:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  And so it actually, uh, looks much longer, I think.

• 28:47Matt Farah?

  Well, and the cabin, if you go back to that side profile shot, like from my Instagram, the cabin of event of a, uh, other Instagram, the, uh, the cabin of a Bentley GT would extend further forward.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:00Matt Farah?

  You know, like where the horse is here, right at the base of the windshield on the shield, you know, that windshield would probably go quite a few inches further.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. The dash, the dash to axle on this must be a record setter.

• 29:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. You're, it's way out there.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, um, it creates a very exotic proportion.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  So I think the only thing that has a, you know, stranger ratio from like cabin to front wheel is the Morgan where you are like on, sitting on the rear dip. You're not quite there here, but you're close.

• 29:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're far.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  This is an enormous vehicle.

• 29:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  They're so cool though. And that eight, the eight 12, just anything with.

• 29:37Matt Farah?

  Did you know, speaking of Morgan, I hope I don't blow up her spot. Corinne. What's the right way to say this? I want to say it without like formerly Corbin is now fully Corinne.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:49Matt Farah?

  I don't want to be like dead naming, but for the radio audience, I feel that's an okay thing to say because I'm describing who the fuck we're talking about.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:57Matt Farah?

  Got a Morgan Aero Eight.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 30:01Matt Farah?

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• 32:53Matt Farah?

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• 34:17Speaker 01

  I did not know that. Yeah, yeah. She posts so many cars, I thought it was just another thing she was just like posting about.

• 34:23Matt Farah?

  It's pretty, pretty sick. I don't think it's quite ready for primetime.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  But it's like, it just needs like your basic, you know, BMW V8. It's been sitting for a while maintenance. It's a BMW 4.4 in that thing.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 34:39Matt Farah?

  Which is pretty sweet. Yeah, yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  It came in the X5.

• 34:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a basic, yeah, and she was like, yo, fucking if it shits out, like, they're just, they're around.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 34:49Matt Farah?

  If it shits out, you get a fucking M5 engine or something and have a good time.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 34:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a stick.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Same footprint. Oh, that's cool.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  Isn't that cool? Dude, having it, having a Morgan Aero 8 or anything from the Aero range in America, there's like 50, 60 of those maybe in the entire country. Jeff Dunham has one and it fucking rules.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  They look stunning.

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  I drove one in England, it was fabulous.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  They do something that only, only I think Spiker does where it's like they look like they're from the future and the past at the same time.

• 35:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, they do. It's real Great Gatsby shit rolling around in one of those things. That view, I mean, that view is incredible. And the three, the three little windshield wipers? You see that shit? The windshield is so shaped in a way that you can't, the two can't arc properly, so you need the three. Oh, it's so great. I'm telling you, you haven't fucking lived until you've rolled one of these things around the countryside. This is like,

• 35:51Speaker 01

  So good.

• 35:52Matt Farah?

  These should be a million dollars.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they should.

• 35:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they probably will be.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  What do these cost now?

• 35:58Matt Farah?

  Well, this one we're looking at on the screen is a Supersport. So this is like the fastest, uh, highest performance, like the last one they did.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  What did she get again?

• 36:06Matt Farah?

  Just the Aero 8, which is the, um, the original, uh, the earlier like roadster one. Yeah, like pretty much like that, the convertible one. Yeah, which is fucking amazing. I mean, they're, they're super, super rare. Oh, that's the Supersport. Man, keep getting, you keep taking us back to the Supersports. I know where your fucking head is at. Go down third row, second in that one, that's an Aero 8. Yeah. From Cars and Bids, where my NSX will be soon. Yeah, so here you go. See the BMW shifter there? But like, are you fucking kidding me? That is fabulous.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Yo, dog, we heard you like rear lights, so we gave you one, two, three, four, uh, five, eight.

• 36:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And look, just because it's got a BMW engine, it has a bangle butt.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  It does a bit.

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  It has a bit of a bangle butt, yeah. It's okay. The direct rear is not its best angle. There we go.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  There.

• 37:03Matt Farah?

  It's side profile, no notes.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  Forget it.

• 37:06Matt Farah?

  Front three-quarter, no notes.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Oh, but again, look, so, so, you know, door, door to front axle, uh, does beat just slightly.

• 37:15Matt Farah?

  It's like nine feet.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  But, yeah.

• 37:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Man, that's cool.

• 37:18Matt Farah?

  Barely. Fucking rad, right? I hope I didn't just blow over a spot. I hope it wasn't a secret. Don't tell me your secrets at a car show. I'm gonna talk about them on the podcast. I'm sorry.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  There's no embargo on that.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  I don't think.

• 37:29Matt Farah?

  I don't think so. I hope it wasn't a secret.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  I mean, unless she didn't tell her wife, and her wife listens to the show.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  That would be problematic. I don't, I think it's, I think they know.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  I think it's the only.

• 37:40Matt Farah?

  I think it's, I think it's not a secret.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  That's the only trouble she could get in.

• 37:42Matt Farah?

  Right, right. I've gotten in trouble before. I don't want to get in trouble again. Um, so that's the 12C. I have, there is, there's a video. Um, uh, I think it was a beautiful morning, this morning, so I was by myself, but it should look pretty, should look pretty decent. Um, and Zach, wait, you went to a track day on your BMW.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Oh, did we not talk about that either?

• 38:03Matt Farah?

  I don't think so.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did.

• 38:04Matt Farah?

  I want to know how the track was.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  A week ago.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  And how your car survived.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Oh, we haven't talked about that.

• 38:08Matt Farah?

  No, because we had like guests and.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  We did.

• 38:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Um, let me pull up this on, oop, nope, nope, this, this. Yeah, I went to, uh, like Influencer Day at, um, Willow Springs.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  That's the best kind of track day.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  It was absolutely the best kind of track day, short of renting, actually. Renting it yourself is good because you get access and you can just like put a camera person wherever you want. We couldn't quite do that. This was so good, you know, quick, like humble brag, like 12 people, I think, like, you know, Vin Anatro was there, Jeremiah from Big Time, Sonia, oh my god, it's Firefox, and a couple of people I had not met before. Jay-Z Two Cents was there with his crazy AMG GT-R Pro. And so they had us out there to basically, you know, drive on the new track, the newly resurfaced Streets of Willow. Check it out, talk about how the track, you know, looks a little bit, how it feels, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, stuff we'd seen in our, when we toured the facility at

• 39:07Speaker 01

  the Willow Springs event, but we weren't allowed to drive there. So, yeah, Vin was there with his GT3RS and his giveaway E92 M3, trying to see which one is like a better track performer. And a couple of people had GT4RSs. I definitely had the least expensive vehicle, for sure, but I don't really give a shit, because I finally got to take my, you know, KW Club Sports with the sway bar, all the things that have shaken the interior part for two years. This is the other side of it. This is the other side of it. So, the surface is great. I'm sure you remember that, like, after the bowl, it used to be almost

• 39:50Speaker 01

  potholes. Like, there was a section where it was like a cracked skin, very patchy and quite rough.

• 39:55Matt Farah?

  And then you go over the blind crests with the fucking dead, dead man's hole.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was that. So, now, we were using like a bus stop, so we'd get to that point, dip right, and then come back left. The new bus stop is kinda slippery. Like, the tarmac is so new, that I noticed there that the Bridgestone tires I have on, which are like, super sticky everywhere else, coming through there, they were like, woo, little grease.

• 40:18Matt Farah?

  So that's the derifto corner?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  That would be the derifto corner. If we were allowed to do that, I'll get to a story about that soon.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  The runoff is so nice to have in a car. I understand people are concerned about motorcycles. They're gonna have air fences set up eventually, but for me, like the speeds I'm doing.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  The problem that motorcycleists have that they don't want con paved runoff, they want gravel runoff? And that's what they're doing paved runoff?

• 40:44Speaker 01

  The motorcyclists have shared concern because on the bowl and two turns, no, three turns before the bowl. There's like the tire wall is close for them to the edge of the track.

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  I see.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  On a motorcycle, you want to be able to low side and slide as far as possible until you come to a stop.

• 41:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Right now, if you rode a motorcycle there and went down in either of those corners, like you're probably gonna slide into those walls.

• 41:10Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  They're not super high-speed corners, but momentum is momentum.

• 41:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  So their plan is to add-

• 41:16Matt Farah?

  Nobody likes to hit a wall.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  No, they're gonna have air fences they put out for that to like, you know, to catch you.

• 41:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  But I just wanted to address that because it's been a comment on like every single post about this track. But the surface is great. I mean, it is like bowling alley level everywhere. It's really, really good. I like what they did, that big bottom turn that used to kind of just dump into the skid pad area. And it was very much choose your own adventure.

• 41:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Now they've kind of got some paint down, which I like, helps guide it a little bit.

• 41:47Matt Farah?

  Track limits, there are track limits.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  There are, they're painted track limits.

• 41:51Matt Farah?

  So some people, you know, I, some guys who I talk to that are like, like pros, you know, really like the choose your own adventure element of that.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  I can understand that, because then they can find the trick, right?

• 42:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, if you talk to, if you talk to TK or you talk to Pat Long or these guys, they-

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Tato probably.

• 42:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they've all, by the way, Tato.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  He just set a record.

• 42:13Matt Farah?

  He just said spec boxer track record at Big Willow. Dude, this kid is so goddamn fast.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  He's so good at driving.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  He's so-

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Like I saw that three days after I was there and I was like, I don't, I'm not that dude.

• 42:25Matt Farah?

  He's so good at driving, yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, so here, this, you can kind of see now where they've got like the new-

• 42:31Matt Farah?

  Like ripping a fucking SP3, alright, cool.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Surface is great, paint looks amazing, obviously like the building facilities are a huge improvement.

• 42:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that that building is like nice now.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:44Matt Farah?

  It's almost a little too nice.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Um, it does feel.

• 42:47Matt Farah?

  It's a little too nice.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:50Matt Farah?

  For a track.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  If you feel like you can't be any kind of dirtbag.

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  Right, like, that's funny, it really, it really works for opening day. You know what I mean, but like for track day when you're like really sweaty and in a driving suit, it's a little too nice.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, if you're like ripping, I don't know, it's a funny thing to step into the world where the bar is just the wood and the brass fittings and everything, like really nicely done.

• 43:16Matt Farah?

  The way, the way they do it at the fancy schmancy clubs is, is basically they have a really nice outdoor area.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:27Matt Farah?

  You know, with like swamp chillers and like the fridges and the fans and, you know, like, so when you're nasty, you're really chilling like out there.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:36Matt Farah?

  You're not.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Then you go to locker room.

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  The inside, yeah, then you go straight to the locker and you're not really going in that inside building, that's like for parties and shit.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  I mean, it's, I think they did a great job with the building, because they had, there's a standing building.

• 43:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it was like a piece of junk.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Oh, totally.

• 43:50Matt Farah?

  And it's way better now.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like just.

• 43:52Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Just this side of a milk crate, really.

• 43:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Was anyone, uh, timing their laps?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:58Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Uh, I think most of the people there, so Larry Chen was there with his Time Attack GR86 turbocharged car. Um, I overheard, uh, this guy Jake, he's a Twitch streamer, um, he's got a red GT4S, he was timing his laps, Jay-Z 2Cents was timing his laps. And I think Vin was, I think, because Vin was doing a video to compare GT3RS.

• 44:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, for his M3 thing, was he doing that?

• 44:22Speaker 01

  He's got this giveaway E92.

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  And he's like, let's see how the times compare.

• 44:26Matt Farah?

  Dude, we were fucking, one of them HPD cars that they had at Cota was this gutted E92 on suspension and good tires. It fucking ripped, it, it did rip, it was pretty fun, it was not as fast as the club sport we were driving.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  We got a weight difference for sure, right?

• 44:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was faster in the straights. But it was not as good in the corners.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  That car sounds so good.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  And it sounded awesome.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  I could hear him clearly from the back bowl.

• 44:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  I mean, it was just the sound would carry across the land and it sounds like a tight five liter Mustang or something. It's so loud and so good. And then, and he's looking at my car. He's like, man, your car looks great. He goes, these things are awesome when they work, but they so frequently don't. And then he looks at the E92 and he's like, uh, you do the bearings and you do the throttle position sensors. He's like, and you just drive it. And I was.

• 45:15Matt Farah?

  I mean, they're open throttle. Shout out to them. They're using these motherfuckers as endurance race cars. I mean, they're, they're running E92 M3s with stock DCT powertrains as eight hour endurance race cars. And they're not like perfect. Apparently they break sometimes, but like they, they regularly finish races and like sometimes win them. Uh, it's pretty, pretty, pretty impressive.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  They're, they're rad.

• 45:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  They're just, they're, they're big and you know, I like them from some angles and not from others, but I did enter the giveaway because I want that car. And I'm gonna win it. That's what I just keep telling myself.

• 45:51Matt Farah?

  To get one for $5, like, yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. You know, you get a license plate frame and we get a track car. Oh yeah, there, there it is. Oh, um, what was this guy's name? Can't remember. This guy does a ton of stuff with Skyline.

• 46:04Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Is that Tommy F? Yeah?

• 46:05Speaker 01

  No, no, somebody else, but there was like, he pulled up behind me on the track and I thought it was the be built by legends car for a second.

• 46:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  But the winner of the day, the winner of the day.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  Is that a fucking IROC? Like a, like a, uh, is it?

• 46:19Speaker 01

  So this is Jeremiah from Big Time, formerly at Donut. He shows up in this F250, rolls this off of an open trailer. And I was like, dude, did someone just roll out of the Winston Cup time machine and show up for this thing? This car had a no joke, five or six inch exhaust coming out of the passenger door.

• 46:38Matt Farah?

  Eight into one.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, eight into one. Yeah.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  And, uh, he'd been there for a couple of hours and Larry hadn't heard it run and Larry, Larry Chen's walking past it right when he starts it and Larry goes, whoa. Looks at it and then takes his phone out of his pocket. I mean, it sounded like the way it looks. It sounded like. Absolute old school Trans Am car.

• 46:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  This is, this is a former race car. It has the giant balloon tires, pretty small wheels. It's a dog box transmission. He said he bought it for like thirty thousand dollars.

• 47:08Matt Farah?

  TK used to race against something like this.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  This car was the shit. It passed me a number of times on track. Some of my best moments. I'm staying out for one more lap just to get the shot of this thing going.

• 47:20Matt Farah?

  That's pretty cool.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 47:21Matt Farah?

  For cheap. Dude, there's, you know, old Trans Am cars and old NASCARs and shit. It's not, it's not about buying them. It's about, you know, keeping them running and safe and, you know, stuff like that. But you can, you can buy into that shit for nothing.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  He said it, he said it was pretty cheap to get, but running it, it's pretty, it's kind of expensive.

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Finding the tires for this thing.

• 47:43Matt Farah?

  God, does it look incredible though? Man, that's a fucking good time.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  He seemed to be having a lot of fun.

• 47:50Matt Farah?

  Aimsa GT1 Camaro, yeah.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  I think he turned the most laps. I mean, it sounds like absolute war.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  Ah, it's crazy.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Vehicle.

• 47:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  My car, a little bit slower than his.

• 48:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  But did great. There will be asterisks, of course, but like the suspension, everything finally put to good use.

• 48:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Makes all the sense in the world.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Car turns in, feels like it weighs 500 pounds less. Corners pretty flat, but not too flat.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  I mean, it just felt like a fantastic car. I was so happy to finally like, you know, take the sheepdog to where there are sheep.

• 48:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  And let it just eat and have a good time. I did like three sessions. I don't know, 15, 20 minutes a session. Definitely overcooked my brakes. I thought, I've got stainless lines and good fluid and I forgot what my brake compound was. Like I just went, oh, I think I've got like good performance shit on there. And I have like performance street pads.

• 48:44Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  So I told Obis later.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  You're gonna need some pads.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  And I was like, what's up with these brakes? And he's like, well, your compound sucks. He's like, and so he, Ken, who works there, every time he goes to the track, he just swaps in these track pads. And then he takes them off when he comes home. So that's, that would have been a good thing for Zach to remember.

• 49:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Zach don't remember anything.

• 49:02Matt Farah?

  No, they, uh, the open throttle guys do like three or four races on a set of track pads. And they're, they held up, they hold up all race, eight hours. So like.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  It's such a basic mistake. I think I just, I knew I'd put new pads on it and I just thought they were better than they were. But I didn't, I've never tracked the car, so.

• 49:18Matt Farah?

  I mean, how many, how many stops did you get before they got really?

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Well, good ones or stops? There's a difference.

• 49:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, good ones.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Maybe four. They, they, they, uh, got like gummy so fast.

• 49:32Matt Farah?

  Oh, man.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  But I went to a race shop on site and I was like, can we just, can we bleed these or something? And they, they checked and like, there's no air in these lines really. So it was just, and a pro came out to run this, um, like GT3 spec car, whatever it's called, cup car. And he said, yeah, streets eats brakes. It's really hard on brakes, even compared to Big Wella or Horse Thief. Just like coming into the S's, you're using a lot of brake there, using a lot of brake before. There's just a lot of heavy braking and a lot of like light braking.

• 50:02Matt Farah?

  And a lot of, and a couple of braking, heavy braking downhill.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:06Matt Farah?

  Downhill, braking downhill is a, is a nasty one.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Right. Turn two.

• 50:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Is heavy braking downhill.

• 50:13Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Four is also kind of downhill-ish.

• 50:16Matt Farah?

  And after, I mean, and before, into the bowl's a little downhill and then, and then I haven't ridden the new track yet, but what was over the crest, the heavy braking into that last little bit was downhill also.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. We, if we had been doing that, then it, I went, you know, then I wouldn't break it. So I just started braking early, um, just to like manage it a little bit, but, um. It just felt so good. Like I could get into the bowl and then get full throttle right at the apex because my car's not that fast and just full throttle, carry momentum, just stick to the track and carry it all the way out. It was really, really nice.

• 50:52Matt Farah?

  And wait, you said you would circle back to drifting?

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, so Vin, Vin was sliding the turn down near the skid pad, like for camera. And he did it like six times. He did seven times and then like the corner worker comes on the radio and just says something to, you know, Corey Burns who's running it. And it's like, uh, we said there was no drifting allowed. He's like, all right. And then he cut, Vin comes around again and she's got the black flag out. So he got put on timeout. I mean, he was doing it for camera, but they just don't want, they didn't want people going out there and just like linking corners either for new surface or whatever. Yeah.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  It was just a funny thing.

• 51:32Matt Farah?

  I kind of understand, but also influencer, track day.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Right. No, I get it.

• 51:35Matt Farah?

  Must create content, must look good. Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  There were no accidents. No one had any catastrophic failures. I mean, it was, it was, everyone was really professional.

• 51:45Matt Farah?

  I guess after like six times, it's like, you got the shot. You got the shot?

• 51:48Speaker 01

  I think that's what it was. I think it was like, got a couple and we were just laughing. He's like, I think he got the shot from, from inside. Um, and then Larry Chen's car, I think, I think he ran the fastest time all day with a car that had like, I don't know, 350 horsepower, but great brakes, great tires, all that stuff.

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:05Matt Farah?

  Cornering speed, late braking. That's how you do it at streets.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:08Matt Farah?

  Yep.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  It was, uh, it was super fun.

• 52:10Matt Farah?

  Good time.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Shout out to Willow Springs.

• 52:12Matt Farah?

  Good times. Um, by the time, when is this going up?

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Tomorrow.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  Tomorrow. Oof. I don't know if it'll be live yet, but my NSX is going on Cars and Bids this week. I've submitted all the photos. They look very nice. All the fucking shit. Everything, the ducks are all in a row. Check that out. Um, also I haven't talked about it in a while, but the, uh, two road and track events coming up. You can come drive with me in 2026.

• 52:39Matt Farah?

  At experiences dot rodent track.com. Let me see if the is the other one up yet? I mean, I talked about it. It's not like secret, but is it actually on the fucking website? Cause they we approved some copy. Go down. Is there another one? Yep, there it is. Okay, great. April, we've got the desert. What are we calling it this time?

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Northwest.

• 53:00Matt Farah?

  No, no, they go up, they go up. The, uh, there it is. Desert Run 600, April 14th to 17th. That's gonna be Vegas Motor Speedway, Valley of Fire, Zion National Park, Sedona, and Scottsdale. That's gonna be really fun.

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  And I'm making that route in January. I've already made it, but I'm scouting it in January, but that's gonna be a good time. And then June, we've got Pacific Northwest. It's called the Northwest Shift. It's, uh, the Cascades, um, it's Nakualmi, it's Dirt Fish, plus a track day. Um, Pacific Northwest in June. There's no better place to drive. It's gonna be fucking spectacular. Um, and then if you scroll down, there's actually, they put the next one up, um, is gonna be the Hudson Quattro Cento, the 400 miler in the Hudson Valley in Connecticut. This one's always really fun. Starts in New York and goes up into the Catskills. Really beautiful, leafy stuff, Lime Rock, uh, track day, which is a really fun treat.

• 54:03Matt Farah?

  That'll be in October. Probably gonna bring my dad.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Nice. Cool.

• 54:07Matt Farah?

  He likes to come with me on that one. So, uh, come drive with us in April. I'm literally gonna be physically on all those trips, leading them and hanging out at the bar afterwards. So you can come fucking do some driving with us. And we should go to the people, I think. Yeah, it's been 45 minutes. Let's go to the people, right? Anything, do we want to talk about Taycon GTS or should go to the people?

• 54:32Speaker 01

  We can save that. Cause I also have to talk about Marco's car, but we should, we can save those two.

• 54:36Matt Farah?

  Okay, we'll save those two for, for next. We'll go to the people. Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is how you become one of the people. Your people, everyone's people, but like you're, you're. Special people over at patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast. You can ask questions for the live stream and then watch the live stream. You can get the show before everybody else, like the day it's recorded. You can get the show without ads. You can get extra show. And you can get a whole bunch more other things. Plus, it is the best way for you to be a fan. If you wanted to be that kind of fan. And I only say that because you will ask me how they can be that kind of fan. Whether it's like buy merch or whatever. The best way to fan to be is that kind of fan.

• 55:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, you get a lot for your money and you help us the most. So let's talk to those motherfuckers. Max verse stepping on his balls in stilettos. Whoa. Yauser. Uh, would holding out a couple of years for a CPO CT5 Blackwing be a smart smiles per dollar move? Or will they hold their value too well to depreciate enough to make this a logical move?

• 55:50Matt Farah?

  So I think it, can you look up what two-year-old Blackwings look like right now on C and B or BAT? And we can test this theory. I think these cars depreciate better, meaning slower than AMGs. Uh, and M cars, but not like as slowly as like, as like, uh, CTSV wagons, for instance. So like, let's see, Blackwing six-speed manual sold for a 2024 for 110. So these really are 2023.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Whoa, that's like last year.

• 56:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So how about, uh, this one with a weird rap on it? That's kind of strange. Sold for 77.5. That's a 2023, uh, 2023 sold for 102 with 3,500 miles. So they hold their value pretty well. You can save some money though. Like, honestly, my gut says if you can get an allocation. If like your dealer will sell you the one you want, you should buy that. And that's a good smiles per dollar move if you can afford it. If not, they still will depreciate slower. They're fucking fast ass manual transmission.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  They're special cars.

• 57:06Matt Farah?

  They're special. So they will depreciate slower.

• 57:11Matt Farah?

  Watching my car get raced at Cuckwalla. Says, "How happy are you that Porsche is gonna do simulated gear shifts in the EVs?" Uh, did we actually talk about that on the show? That someone at Porsche said that they're gonna be doing that?

• 57:24Speaker 01

  I mean, have they given you credit for that?

• 57:26Matt Farah?

  No, and no, and I don't want credit, but I'm, I, I, I was very forceful about it.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  You mentioned it a couple of times.

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  A few times to here and to them.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:37Matt Farah?

  And to everybody who would listen, and to Andy Poynting, and to every, like, literally everybody. Uh, and I think, yeah, if they do the downloadable car packs to go with it, um, that would be the shit.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be fun.

• 57:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Exclusive down, download, I don't know, I don't have a joke there. How do I do exclusive manufacturer but for a downloadable car pack?

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Exclusive manufactured sound.

• 58:03Matt Farah?

  Yes, there we go.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz the sound is not coming out of the engine.

• 58:06Matt Farah?

  Carney Asada Tacoma, um, says, okay, uh, "In the 911 Turbo S video, I referred to the Turbo S as a supercar. I've seen a lot of debate online as to whether any 911 can be classified as a supercar, and I'm curious as to your thoughts on this debate, considering there isn't any specific definition of a supercar. Do you think a 911 Turbo S is or can be a supercar?"

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Um, I do now because of the price and the speed and everything. I think a few years ago, I probably wouldn't, and part of the problem is that there are so many trims of 911 that I see around that it, it doesn't stand out visually, whereas the cheapest Ferrari, the cheapest Lamborghini, the cheapest whatever, like, it's very clear that that is from this upper echelon of brand, and like, their cheapest car usually has the performance and the style of a supercar. So I think you have to decide what the measure is, and I think when I compare, when I look at price and performance specs, and like, the Turbo's pretty exclusive now.

• 59:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a supercar.

• 59:14Matt Farah?

  I think Turbo S and GT3 RS cross into supercar.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:19Matt Farah?

  I think they do. For me, for me, it's a fluid, it's a fluid line. I don't, you know, you know, and I don't really give a shit where people personally draw that line. We, this is a, this one is a bit of an LA bubble. Cause in LA, a Turbo S is like not really a supercar because 911s are more common. But like recently, I drove a 911S across fucking Tennessee for five days. And like, believe you me, I was in the nicest fucking car around. Like, I didn't see another 911. Let alone any other Turbo Ss or any of that kind of stuff that we see like all the time here.

• 59:57Matt Farah?

  So like outside of LA, like, yes, that's definitely.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Like, would you consider the Audi R8, especially the early one, the V8, would you consider that a supercar?

• 1:00:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  And so I'd say why? I agree with you, but like.

• 1:00:07Matt Farah?

  I think it, I think it was a, you know, a mid-engine exotic looking, you know, car that delivered on a high level of performance and engagement and it was pretty expensive.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  I agree. But I think, but I think the Turbo Ss have probably kept up with those cars in terms of speed all the time. It's just because it, because the Turbo S looks like the other 911s basically, it kind of struggles online at least.

• 1:00:32Matt Farah?

  Sure. I think particularly the new one with all the hybrid shit in it and all that kind of stuff. That's got the goods.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  That's got the goods.

• 1:00:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:00:45Matt Farah?

  All right.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:45Matt Farah?

  Watch, this is a very, a watch question for a woman. The first question is, I, so, Otto Bon Jovi wants to know about Shinola. I'm the wrong person to ask, cause I have eternal beef with them. First, I will hold a grudge forever. Has nothing to do with their product.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  You and 50 Cent.

• 1:01:01Matt Farah?

  Me and 50 Cent, we, we're not, I'm gonna make a whole documentary about how Shinola insulted me because of my cat. But you don't fuck with my cat. You don't tag yourself in your, in my post about my cat dying of cancer. That's not cool. Fuck you Shinola. I don't care.

• 1:01:18Matt Farah?

  But anyway, the wife wants a watch. On her 1500 bucks, she likes square Cartier-like designs, prefers Jubilee bracelets when offered, and likes two-tone colors. An Apple watch will be worn most of the times. It'll be a special occasion watch.

• 1:01:36Matt Farah?

  I mean, other, uh.

• 1:01:41Matt Farah?

  This is hard, I was, god, I just spent a lot of time reading this, but I don't have an answer because I just don't look for these types of watches. I'm not that into Cartier stuff, I mean, normally I would tell people like, save up for the Cartier. Because they're like, you can get into a Cartier, a Mustang Cartier for like, they're saying, he says fifteen hundred, you, probably three grand, you can get into a, a real Cartier. I would say save up, like, wait for the real thing, because like, every woman loves Cartier. That's a universal rule of life and watches. You fucking get a woman a Cartier watch, that's the right watch, trust me.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, just wait a little bit more and get the one that she really, really wants.

• 1:02:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, I wouldn't, like, there are ways, there are smaller, you know, um, hm, shit, I don't, I don't have a database of small, smaller square watches, but like, uh, the, Cartier's entry level brand from like forty years ago, fifty years ago, was called Mustang Cartier, M U S T D E Cartier. And it was an entry level brand, but for people that aren't super, super snobby about watches, uh, if you're a super snob, maybe it's not a real Cartier in the way that a Ferrari Dino is not a real Ferrari, right, but to everybody else, that is a real Cartier and a, and a Dino's a real Ferrari.

• 1:03:05Matt Farah?

  Same kind of thing, and you can get into those, were you looking for, did you find any?

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Mustang Cartier on Cartier's website is four thousand dollars.

• 1:03:12Matt Farah?

  Well, that's like, brand new.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, that's brand new.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  If you go to Chrono24 or any of these places.

• 1:03:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Bob's, Chrono24, like, even eBay, um, you know, if it's a reputable seller, you can be fucking, you can be into one of these for like, three grand, and, uh, not that there isn't a big difference between fifteen hundred and three grand, but there's also a big difference between, it looks kind of like a Cartier and it's an actual fucking Cartier.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Cartier's website is terrible, it, it loads like a Ferrari screen.

• 1:03:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because they don't need it to sell watches.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:03:46Matt Farah?

  Tale of the Puff the Magic Dragon, those are two things that combining is quite good, actually. Uh, two-seater weekend car, coming out of Chicago, occasional track days and a few rallies each year. I've got a hundred and fifty Gs, anything new or used beat the ZO6.

• 1:04:09Matt Farah?

  The ZO6 is your most supercar-like experience for that kind of money.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it rides great.

• 1:04:16Matt Farah?

  It rides great.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  And it sounds amazing. Like, it delivers on, I mean, especially, like, Chicago, long, flat, straight roads. They're kind of messed up because of all the winters there. I mean, it'll work at the track. It'll work for road rallies. Like, that's pretty great.

• 1:04:28Matt Farah?

  I would say this. A hundred and fifty grand gets you also, just as an alternative, a lot of R8. We just talked about R8s. You can get R8 V10 Plus Performance.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Used 911T?

• 1:04:44Matt Farah?

  You could get absolutely.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  A one or two-year-old 911T.

• 1:04:47Matt Farah?

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  That would also do all the things you said. It won't ride as comfortably. It'll be slightly louder inside, but it'd be cool.

• 1:04:54Matt Farah?

  I mean, one fifty will get you a 911S.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 1:04:57Matt Farah?

  And we just, on Bring a Trailer, we just sold a 2022 GTS rear-wheel-drive, seven-speed manual with a truff- a Carmine Red Truffle Brown interior, nine thousand miles, just sold it for one sixty.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Ooh, okay.

• 1:05:13Matt Farah?

  So, if it had, that's a GTS, though.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  A used GTS.

• 1:05:17Matt Farah?

  Used GTS is a lot.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  And that'll work at the track.

• 1:05:20Matt Farah?

  For sure. Yeah, so like, a 911 GTS would be awesome. R8 V10s are awesome. ZO6s are awesome. Hundred and fifty K gets you a lot of car today.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:32Matt Farah?

  You could also, I mean, you could fucking wildcard Shelby GT500 Track Pack, fucking slide around, have a good time.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's an experience.

• 1:05:41Matt Farah?

  That's a derif-dose.

• 1:05:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, also could, you know, wildcard, you could go with a GT350R, save a lot of money.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  The AMG GTs are very inexpensive, and I think they look amazing inside out.

• 1:05:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, like, a couple of years old?

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, GTC.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, the C, or you could get like an R, you could get the Pro, or you could get an S, like, they perform and they look good, and they deliver a lot.

• 1:06:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but the roads are shitty in Chicago, so you don't want to get anything with too stiff business.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Right, having something adaptive would be best, or something very clever.

• 1:06:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Matt Farah?

  Who, who, do you know who that person is that that name refers to?

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  I don't either, and I don't wanna like, uh, it's, oh.

• 1:06:26Matt Farah?

  What is, Lucas Harper's inflamed sense of artificial identity? I hope this person is Lucas Harper.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  Lucas Harper apparently is the, the main antagonist of the 2004 thriller film Mindhunters.

• 1:06:37Matt Farah?

  Oh, sorry. Okay, cool. Lucas Harper's inflamed sense of artificial identity. Aside from the parts geek debacle. A bunch of people wrote me notes about the parts geek debacle. And two guys were like, "I'll never get that fucking 10 minutes of my life back." Okay, I won't talk about it anymore.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:53Matt Farah?

  Don't buy parts there. Uh, what's the worst sales experience of your life? I've talked about it before, but it's when the guy tried to sell a 16-year-old me a V6 Mustang as a V8. And this conversation went on for way too long. And I had to point out way too many things.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  That's probably the worst.

• 1:07:12Matt Farah?

  I don't, it doesn't get worse than that.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Or low bar.

• 1:07:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Matt Farah?

  Okay, the smoldering rim says, "What used cars 50K and under deliver an experience worth more than the cost of the car? Over-deliver on a driving experience. Cheap cars."

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Uh, GR86s and all those twins, BRZs and stuff, I think.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  I think they do everything well except the power. And there's plenty of cars that cost more money that we wish had the attributes of like shifting and steering feel that those cars have.

• 1:07:42Matt Farah?

  Uh, I would, a really well-sorted E46M3.

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, a really well-sorted but high-mile Acura NSX. That might be under 50K. Um, I would say you could get, um, a, a 997 Porsche that's working properly and serviced is a great experience. Corvette Z06s, C6.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  And now, like, any of the used cars that have a twin-turbo 4-liter.

• 1:08:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  That feel and sound.

• 1:08:11Matt Farah?

  4-liter?

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, 2-4, 4, sorry.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  4-liter.

• 1:08:14Matt Farah?

  I, I heard 4-cylinder, I apologize.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  No, if you got like a, a used C63 for $45,000, it's gonna sound and feel very close to the ones from three years ago.

• 1:08:23Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:08:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. For sure.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Very nice looking car and they make it sound good, all that stuff.

• 1:08:29Matt Farah?

  I bet a forty nine thousand dollar Taycan feels like more than a forty nine thousand dollar car.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  A forty nine thousand dollar Aston Vantage?

• 1:08:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Does that, you know?

• 1:08:39Matt Farah?

  Bro, dude, V8 Vantages aren't worth shit right now and they're delightful little cars.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  No one cares about them.

• 1:08:48Matt Farah?

  They're great, yeah.

• 1:08:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you do, they're, they're at like minimal level of interest. They're not old enough to be classic.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Matt Farah?

  They're not new enough to be new, but like, man, those are well made.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  And if they're clean and they pull up, they look like a hundred and fifty thousand dollar car.

• 1:09:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're fucking sweet and they sound good. Bilbrow Baggins. Uh, I recently purchased a Toyota Caldina. I think that's a Toyota. Oh, wait, is Caldina Toyota? What's, isn't that a Toyota? What is that? It is, right? GTT for year round driving in the Midwest. What other quirky JDM only cars are on your list of must own someday?

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Quirky looking vehicle? This is.

• 1:09:32Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Some of these headlights are a choice.

• 1:09:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, it's a little wagon. It looks like, it's kind of like vaguely like a Subaru Legacy. I think they swapped these engines into MR2s. I think you do this, you do this engine swap into an MR2 and then they fucking rip.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:52Matt Farah?

  It's like the, that's the big JDM swap. I think I drove one. Yeah, not a, not a very great, I'm not about this. Hannah wants a fucking, a Fiat Panda four by four.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 1:10:04Matt Farah?

  Which is not a JDM car, but that's a weird European.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  For sure, her and Johnny Smith and James May.

• 1:10:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I've, I've had a Skyline, we already have a fucking Delica, we've already got a Pow. I don't know.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  I would want a Chaser for sure. I mean, that's not a quirky car. Quirky car, oh, I've talked about it, the Figaro. I think they look so cool. It's a shame they're so damn slow.

• 1:10:23Matt Farah?

  They're, they're faster than the Pow.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  I think one of those with an EV swap would be great.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if the, if the one liter shit pile in the Pow ever dies, I would, I would consider an EV swap for that. Probably burn my fucking house down.

• 1:10:38Matt Farah?

  Domesticated Jaguar XJS says we've had Saturn and Mercury. What is the next planet name we should use as a car brand? Okay, we've got Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Venus, Earth, Mars, Neptune.

• 1:10:56Matt Farah?

  We should, well, wait, we should absolutely use Uranus.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 1:11:00Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:11:02Matt Farah?

  It's pronounced Uranus.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Well, I think they need to make-

• 1:11:07Matt Farah?

  Pluto's not a plano anymore.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Make the biggest vehicle ever and call it the Jupiter. Like, you know, the Hummer Jupiter. And it just takes up two lanes.

• 1:11:15Matt Farah?

  Jupiter is the performance brand for-

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Matt Farah?

  Genesis has Magma. And, yeah, it's, uh, not, it's like GMC. It's GMC's performance division.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  If it ran off hydrogen, but was humongous. Because it's very gaseous, right? Isn't it a gas giant planet?

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's a giant, it's a giant, it's a gas giant. Okay, so it's like the Escalade V.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  That's what it is. It goes back to gas.

• 1:11:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  Because now the EPA's gone, they can make the Jupiter. Takes up two lanes, it's a gas giant.

• 1:11:51Matt Farah?

  Four injectors per cylinder.

• 1:11:56Matt Farah?

  The Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club. Uh, does a 12-cylinder beat LaFerrari for worst Ferrari model name? It's definitely up there, bro.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  I think LaFerrari's worse.

• 1:12:06Matt Farah?

  LaFerrari's bad.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Because 12-cylinder, 430, 360, it's like, uh, the engines, you know, it's based on that. LaFerrari was just-

• 1:12:12Matt Farah?

  It's bad.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  It's the Ferrari.

• 1:12:17Matt Farah?

  All right. Okay, this is a fun one. Chase the Monte Carlo. What does this person drive based on their gas station purchase? Uh, Doritos and an original black and green Monster with a can of wintergreen Zin.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  I think that person drives a Challenger Hellcat or SRT. And they drove it off the base, and they went and got some snacks, and they're going back on the base.

• 1:12:46Matt Farah?

  Where is this gas station? It's right outside Pendleton.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:49Matt Farah?

  Okay, a white Monster and a protein bar? That person dri- that person drives a, a-

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Well, I used to drive a Miata.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Back when I drank a lot of Monster and protein bar. What were you gonna say?

• 1:13:03Matt Farah?

  I was gonna say, that person drives a Forester XT, but is at the gym.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:13:09Matt Farah?

  Right? Diet Coke and a Starburst? An Infiniti G20?

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  That person's confused about how diabetes works, I think.

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  I really ate too many Starbursts at your shoot.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  It's the best handy, isn't it?

• 1:13:21Matt Farah?

  Man, I don't hang out a lot of craft services these days, but Zach put out fucking, for, for Zach Klapman's test drive on, uh, driver's test, excuse me, I apologize, driver's test on YouTube. Uh, the man put out a fucking crafty service table-

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  I wanna take care of the people.

• 1:13:35Matt Farah?

  With a big bag that only had pink and red Starburst in it.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  That's the dream.

• 1:13:42Matt Farah?

  Glory days, my friends.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Right, no more yellow, they finally listened.

• 1:13:46Matt Farah?

  My fucking, man, I smoked two joints and had 87 fucking Starburst.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  And there's 87 left, dude.

• 1:13:52Matt Farah?

  And that was dinner. Fuck! Oh, okay. Uh, cherry Pepsi, uh, a cherry Pepsi fountain drink and a gas station meatball sub. That's fucking Foley. That's literally Foley. He drives a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is a highly financed Grand Cherokee, or like, four-year-old Tahoe, very Jersey, yeah.

• 1:14:14Matt Farah?

  Are you AYG, it's an AYG listener on the very, all of them, really. Uh, even Flowmaster, oh, that's good.

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 1:14:21Matt Farah?

  That's very good. I currently have a Mark VIII Golf R that's almost out of warranty. I'm thinking about getting the 8.5. I like the Golf R, uh, thus far. Any other suggestions? Uh, well, I mean, honestly, I just drove the new Golf R for Performance Car of the Year, and I very, I very much liked it. I thought it was a really fun car. Um, it was, uh, it was really comfortable, the seats were great, the suspension was great, it was like, it was a very nice car. Uh, and if you already like the Golf R, I think this one is better than the last one, so- Other suggestions, I mean, if you want an upgrade, the Audi S3

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:15:02Matt Farah?

  Does feel a little more premium, looks a little more premium, drives similar, has the good diff now, though. The Audi, the S3 gets the RS3's rear diff for this gen, so if you want a little more rotacion, you might be able to get that. And 50 might be,

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  For 50?

• 1:15:19Matt Farah?

  The S3 might be just, just like 52 or something like that.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  You could get, uh,

• 1:15:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, the M-

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  That BMW M240.

• 1:15:27Matt Farah?

  M240i.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Get the M240i with xDrive if you want.

• 1:15:30Matt Farah?

  That rips.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  That's a nice car.

• 1:15:32Matt Farah?

  And they're fast.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  Doesn't have a backseat, which is annoying, but it has a good trunk, very fast car.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  It does have a backseat.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:15:38Matt Farah?

  It just doesn't have rear doors.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  I meant door, yeah.

• 1:15:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  That's a nice choice, too.

• 1:15:42Matt Farah?

  Those are nice. Those are, yeah, that's nice, I mean,

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  The Golf is such a good car.

• 1:15:48Matt Farah?

  That's-

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  It truly is, you know? All-wheel-drive performance at that price, uh, kind of only place exists, I think.

• 1:15:57Matt Farah?

  I mean, and if you like, I like compact cars and have a budget of 50, like, there's not a lot of other small cars. What other good small cars are there for, like, cheap now?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  And get a really optioned-up Miata.

• 1:16:10Matt Farah?

  I mean,

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Way too expensive.

• 1:16:11Matt Farah?

  50 doesn't even get you, like, even like a CLA35 is like over 50.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:17Matt Farah?

  And that's not, I mean, it doesn't suck, but it's not like, not great.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:16:22Matt Farah?

  I'd rather have a Golf R than a CLA35.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  I feel like when you drive a CLA, people know you want to own a Mercedes one day.

• 1:16:30Matt Farah?

  That's cold but true.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cold but true. I'd stick with the new Golf R.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:35Matt Farah?

  I really would. Get a fun color. Don't get it in black. Get a, get a nice bright color. Jeep of Theseus, uh, on the used market, Integra versus Civic SI. Is there any reason to get the Civic over the Integra if they're the same price? Uh, we're talking about the regular Integra, the A spec or whatever, that is the same as the Civic SI but dressed up a bit.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Right, they both have the same 1.5 liter, whatever. Uh, I mean, the interior on them, like, the dash looks almost exactly the same.

• 1:17:08Matt Farah?

  Does the Integra have a ha- a bigger hatchback, whereas the Civic has a trunk? That may have been one thing. They both hatchbacks?

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  I think they're both, they don't look it, but they're both hatchbacks.

• 1:17:20Matt Farah?

  Okay. Does the Acura have lumbar support, whereas the Civic does not?

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  Well, did the, does the SI also not have lumbar? I know the Type R do.

• 1:17:28Matt Farah?

  No, it does not.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Then that's worth it. Also, the-

• 1:17:31Matt Farah?

  Does the Acura come in stick?

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:17:33Matt Farah?

  It does, okay.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  I drove, I drove the A spec on a launch, and it had the same awesome stereo that the Type S had, I think. It's a, uh, BLOS, I don't remember who it was. Fantastic stereo, good seats, but the driving is gonna be exactly the same.

• 1:17:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  So, you should, sit in both cars, and your back will tell you which one you want.

• 1:17:51Matt Farah?

  SmellsLikeDinnerIsReady says, uh, Porsche seems to be walking back, uh, plans for the Boxster EV. Does this indicate that Porsche doesn't believe EVs can be good enthusiast vehicles, or that the market doesn't believe enthusiast EVs? I think, I mean, I think, look, I, a little of both. I mean, I don't think they're throwing away the electric Boxster and Cayman, but I think they're trying to re-engineer the platform to be flexible.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  But like, I don't think anyone is like kidding themselves in saying that like, like, manufacturers are building EVs because they have to, not necessarily because they want to. And, like, I think Porsche would build some EVs because they want to, but to, to make the EV sports car was clearly gonna be to satisfy a requirement that they would have preferred to not have to do.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Well, there's also a lot, you know, something besides just what people want, is that, um, blah, blah, blah.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Uh, lawmakers are hinting in Europe that they're gonna push back the gas ban.

• 1:19:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Diesel ban. So you've got the governing body, the market forces, all that stuff. So.

• 1:19:06Matt Farah?

  Same with California. There was gonna be this internal combustion engine ban that's now gone. We also used to have like an EPA that's like now decided that they're not gonna enforce anything. So it's easier and more profitable for carmakers to make gasoline cars.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think, and Porsche was probably smart in that, you know, if they engineered the chassis to be able to fit both types of power plant, or roughly.

• 1:19:31Matt Farah?

  The stories, the stories that we're reading today, and they are just stories, you know, are saying things like Porsche's panicking about re-engineering this.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:19:40Matt Farah?

  I don't think it was designed originally to be both.

• 1:19:47Matt Farah?

  Okay. Nice price or crack pipe bringing back the old Jalopnik from Marshall P. My girlfriend needed to replace her daily driver. We started looking at Prius Vs until I found a 2014 Chevy Volt. With 25,000 miles and one owner history with a recent service, bought it for 9,000 bucks.

• 1:20:10Matt Farah?

  Excluding the seemingly rare case of totally bad, total battery failure. Is there a better buy for a daily for under 10K?

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 1:20:19Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:20Matt Farah?

  25,000 miles on this car? These are so unbelievably well-made.

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:26Matt Farah?

  Unless this car was stored for 10 years, plugged in the whole time, I would say, you know, like if it passes like a battery test and it works, like fuck yeah.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:36Matt Farah?

  Great car.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  They're really overbuilt, well-made, well-engineered. They feel like a higher quality product than a Prius, I think. And I got a friend, he's a high mileage one. He bought it a few years ago, same generation.

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  And I think he bought it for like 14. It's been flawless, absolutely like no problems.

• 1:20:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, this will be, this will be fabulous. It'll last a thousand years. They're so overbuilt.

• 1:20:57Matt Farah?

  Uh, Matt's video taught us stick and now my son and I daily manuals. Hell yeah. Uh, with the addition of the GR GT does Toyota and Lexus now have the widest coverage of the enthusiast market of any manufacturer? The lineup goes from entry level to supercar. That's funny, widest coverage. I guess if you think about, well.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Well Corvette, or sorry Chevy maybe.

• 1:21:24Matt Farah?

  Chevy maybe.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  Because they make, like I would say that the ZR1 has more performance than the GR GT just because of the power number. I think the GR GT is 650.

• 1:21:31Matt Farah?

  What is Chevy's lowliest, I mean in other countries, in other countries, they're selling some tiny little cars that we don't even get here. They probably still sell like the Avio or whatever they're, whatever they're like.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  I think the cheapest car is the Traxx, which starts at 20 grand here.

• 1:21:47Matt Farah?

  So 20 to 200, 20 to 250 really for ZR1. Is pretty much your, so actually I think, I think, I think GM, I think GM wins.

• 1:21:59Speaker 01

  I think GM wins on performance.

• 1:22:01Matt Farah?

  Because you've also got Escalade V.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 1:22:04Matt Farah?

  You know, and off-road, I think, I think GM, if you count all GM brands as one, they win, but, but it's a good point with Toyota. They do have a pretty solid spread.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Well, also I missed this point. They said widest coverage for the enthusiast market. So Toyota has like the GR 86 line and/or the Corolla. Like they have, they have more performance cheaper, I think, right?

• 1:22:26Matt Farah?

  Sure, you've got the 86, the Corolla, the, what's the next above the Corolla is this, this GT thing, right? Oh, the Supra, sorry. Supra, yeah. Pretty good spread.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Chevy stopped making the Camaro.

• 1:22:38Matt Farah?

  Pretty good spread. Yeah.

• 1:22:42Matt Farah?

  Tom R., I have the budget for a new 911T, but I'm hearing from friends that I should get a 997.1 and add CarPlay or 991 instead. They say I'll get the same experience without the price. I'm coming from a 944 Turbo. I don't want a project. I just want something to drive and have fun with. Well, I don't think you're, I mean, your friends aren't totally wrong. You want some chocolate, Zach?

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:23:09Matt Farah?

  I just saw this amazing chocolate sitting here and decided that I wanted some while we answer these questions.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  Well, the new T also has the six speed, right? That's the big thing. The other ones from the past have the seven.

• 1:23:20Matt Farah?

  I would say this.

• 1:23:23Matt Farah?

  A 997 is not the same thing as with CarPlay. It's a, that's a different car. It's okay if that's what you want, but that's a different car. I would say that you could get a 991 GTS. Right? A .2 GTS with a stick.

• 1:23:41Matt Farah?

  And that would be largely more performance for the same type of experience as your Carrera T. It would probably be a hundred grand. Put 60 in your pocket. You know what I mean? Like, a 991 .2 GTS is very similar to what you're looking at, but faster. Uh, and they're probably like a hundred, a hundred and ten grand.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  And it, does the GTS have reduced sound deadening?

• 1:24:09Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  Okay, so it basically will, I was gonna say it might be quieter inside than the T, but...

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  It might be a little bit, but like, it's fucking 80 more horsepower also.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, do that.

• 1:24:18Matt Farah?

  They rip.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:19Matt Farah?

  Um, coming from a 944 Turbo, all these modern cars will feel, feel awesome, but

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Matt Farah?

  But I don't think you'll get, I don't think it's, I think you'll get an improved experience that has the turbocharged thing, has like modern CarPlay, doesn't need retro fitting. Um, and it'll be, it'll be a good quality product.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:42Matt Farah?

  Uh, fuck, marry, kill mods.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  This is funny.

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  Suspension on the bump stops, no AC, straight pipe exhaust.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  Also the name, carbon monocoque and ball torture.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  Sorry, I was so focused on the funny question, I missed the awesome name. Okay, fuck, marry, kill.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Um, I'm gonna kill slammed on bump stops.

• 1:25:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Cause unless, unless I'm racing NASCAR on some track, like, I don't wanna do that. Uh, I'd fuck the straight pipe exhaust, I did that once for two days in my Subaru and hated it. And I'd marry no air conditioning.

• 1:25:18Matt Farah?

  I'll agree with you. I'll agree with you. I could live with no AC if I had to, but the other ones would be a no-go. Matt sells three cells, three shells by the seashore, got me. Fucking got me. Uh, more fuck, marry, kill. 2013, fuck, fuck, marry, kill 2013 edition. M3 C63 CTSV. This one is easy for me. Fuck CTSV. Uh, marry M3, uh, kill C63.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:25:54Matt Farah?

  Didn't have a good gearbox in 2013.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  I think, 2013 was a second gen CT6V, right?

• 1:25:59Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  I think I'd marry that one, and I would fuck the C63 because I've always wanted to own one, and I would kill the M3.

• 1:26:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, okay, Jin in Teconic State Parkway says, "In 2022, I drove the Audi S8 and really liked it. On the used market, they go to for 50 to 70K with reasonable mileage. For the same money, you can get a 2018 or 19 CT6V. Uh, do you have experience with the Cadillac, and would you take it over the S8?" I would probably skip the Cadillac in favor of the S8.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  I've never driven a CT6V.

• 1:26:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Spent no time with them.

• 1:26:45Matt Farah?

  It's not, I don't think it's for me. I didn't, I drove something like, it was the V-Sport or something like that, and it was not, it doesn't have the Blackwing motor. That's not right. It has the CT4 Blackwing.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  I think the S8 is a much better looking car.

• 1:27:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, Tim A. says, "Harry Metcalf made a video about his new daily driver, a Maserati Grecole Trofeo. Are you ever surprised by the cars that automotive journalists purchase with their own money, and has this ever prompted you to reconsider a car previously overlooked?" I thought the Grecole Trofeo was cool.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  It was fun, it was fun to drive, really fun to drive.

• 1:27:25Matt Farah?

  I bet they're giving them things away.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  I bet.

• 1:27:27Matt Farah?

  Harry knows a value when he sees one.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  That is a man who knows value. I bet they fucking gave him that thing for peanuts.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. And he, now, there's something like, he has the means to buy a car, and if it breaks or has problems or whatever, or depreciates a bit, he can take that hit.

• 1:27:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  So that helps a little bit, um, versus, you know, someone in my position. Um, but I think, and he can also make content about the car. I don't know, this was, I mean, I am surprised by this, coming from Harry Metcalf or from anybody, really, because I don't, I don't know a journalist that's owned any Maserati. I can't think of one. Sure, they're, they exist.

• 1:28:03Matt Farah?

  That's interesting, yeah.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  But try to think of a journalist you know that's owned any Maserati of any generation.

• 1:28:08Matt Farah?

  I mean, that would be difficult. I don't think I know any. But...

• 1:28:15Matt Farah?

  Maybe Camisa has had like a bi-turbo or some weird one.

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:28:19Matt Farah?

  Like, but if Harry was looking for a Daley and was like looking at a Macan or something, and someone was like, hey, this this Grecal A Trofeo was like $95,000 new, it's got 5,000 miles on it, give it to you for like 50.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:40Matt Farah?

  He knows, he knows a bargain when he sees one.

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:28:43Matt Farah?

  They drive nice. So like, yeah, have at it.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  And he can do the experiment, like, let's see what it's like. Let's get some content and, okay.

• 1:28:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  Just find out.

• 1:28:50Matt Farah?

  Like, I mean, he can afford to take a depreciation hit a little bit for funsies.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:54Matt Farah?

  So could I. That's why I bought a, like, used fucking Taycan. It's gonna be worth nothing when I'm done with it.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:28:59Matt Farah?

  Uh, that's it? Fucking hell. Well, let's go home. What are we doing here? Um, we got, uh, fuck, gotta get ready.

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  Scotto.

• 1:29:08Matt Farah?

  I gotta get ready for Scotto tomorrow. I'm gonna need so, I'm gonna need so much coffee. I'm gonna need, like, bring like a thermos.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  I have cold brew left over from the shoot. I'm gonna put the bottle in here.

• 1:29:16Matt Farah?

  We're gonna, it's gonna be like liquor and cold brew. It's gonna be crazy. Cancelled my trainer. Like, can't even do it tomorrow.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:24Matt Farah?

  All right. So stick around. Submit your questions on the Patreon for that one.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  If we even need them.

• 1:29:28Matt Farah?

  We probably won't. Yeah, we probably won't. But maybe, be fun.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  It's gonna be super fun.

• 1:29:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  He's got a bunch of new stuff.

• 1:29:35Matt Farah?

  Bye.