Air Force Analyst Lenval Logan Exposes What AARO Won't Show You About UFOs

Lenval Logan spent 20+ years in the US Air Force as an all-source intelligence analyst and became a key member of the UAP Task Force under Jay Stratton. In this exclusive interview, he confirms what George and Jeremy have long suggested: the best UAP evidence has never been shown to the public. Logan analyzes the Syria UAP video that he personally requested analysis for during his time with the Task Force. His assessment: “This met all the parameters of a UAP. To the best of my knowledge, yes - instantaneous acceleration, no doubt in my book.” When Jeremy asks if he’s seen better footage, Logan’s answer is stunning: “Yes.” He reveals how the intelligence community analyzes UAP cases, what happened when Lue Elizondo and Jay Stratton first walked into his secure facility, and why none of the original Task Force members were brought into AARO. Logan describes seeing a diamond-shaped object outside his aircraft window in 1990 - identical to a craft later photographed as the Calvine UFO. He explains how AWACS systems worldwide track objects that move impossibly fast, turn at right angles, and demonstrate capabilities beyond any known nation. From British AWACS operators admitting 'we all know about this guy' to sensor data showing objects that can't be foreign adversaries, Logan provides the insider perspective on how UAP analysis actually works - and why AARO is failing the American public. Logan is building an app called Phenom to crowdsource UAP data collection and analysis. After being doxed and attacked, he’s launching version 2.0 in April with backing to fight the noise and collect real evidence. *Check out Logan’s UAP tracking APP at ⁠https://www. ThePhenom.app 🤖 MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop. Fourthwall.com 👽 MAIN : https://YouTube.com/@JeremyCorbell 🛸 CLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WEAPONIZEDclips 🕵️ MORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA⁠⁠⁠ HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A⁠⁠⁠ PATIENT SEVENTEEN ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE⁠⁠⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:56Speaker 02

  So finally, they put in this tape, and they show this aircraft going across Europe. And it's hauling ass. So I'm like, "Who's that?" And they're like, "You know..." I was like, "Look, guys, let's not go through that again. Who's that?" And they said, "That's your SR71." And I was like, "Well, that's not him. He's going in a straight line." "What about the zigzaggy thing?" And this is when they blew my mind. They pulled out another tape or something, put it in, and you can see just about every rotation of the radar, there's this object moving all over Germany

• 1:38Speaker 02

  and parts of Belgium and stuff like that. I was so excited, guys. I said, "Who's that MF right there?" And the guy goes, "Logan." I was like, "Look, let's not go through that. Who's that guy?" And they looked at me and they said, "You don't know." They said every time we called out to him, he never answers.

• 2:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Dude, we're standing on a razor blade here. Like, did you have to disclose your friendship to me and George in order to come on our podcast or talk to us? Did you have formal contact questioning you about our releases as well as informal?

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had both. I had both. Just, you know, I don't know if it was just someone being curious on the official side or on the unofficial side, I know that for sure. People being curious. But people were like, "Hey, did you see this video? Do you know how they got it?"

• 2:38Speaker 00

  This is weaponized.

• 2:48George Knapp?

  You know, Jeremy, you and I have both been on the Joe Rogan Show and you know what it does to your anonymity, that your public profile. Once you're on that, it's pretty hard to walk through an airport without somebody going, "Hey, I saw you on Rogan," even if it's another country, right?

• 3:02Jeremy Corbell?

  First time I stepped out of Rogan's studio with Lazar, like stepping out, he just put his arm up and he's like, "Don't read comments."

• 3:13Jeremy Corbell?

  And I go, "Oh, okay." Like, I didn't realize, back then especially, that, yeah, the one thing you can't take back is your face and what you say with your face, with your mouth hole. So, yeah, it's pretty powerful. And I know we've had some friends on there that are pretty special people.

• 3:31George Knapp?

  Well, including today. We've got somebody who has been on the Rogan Show, but somehow has miraculously, I don't know, slipped through the raindrops without getting wet. I mean, he still has a relatively low profile even after being on there. We've known Lingbal Logan for a long time, but we've never sort of publicized our friendship. And I'm sure even appearing on the same screen in different boxes with us is going to cause him all kinds of problems, I would think.

• 3:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, that's really great. Just why don't you tell the next guest that he's gonna take hell and hellfire and brimstone and slings and arrows because he's in a box with us?

• 4:08George Knapp?

  Yeah, I could just fair and warn him that his life is gonna be ruined after this, but, you know. So, your last name is Logan and your first name Lingbal, nobody uses it. Everyone calls you Logan. So, your name effectively is Logan Logan, right?

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty much. Military thing. You get it.

• 4:26George Knapp?

  Uh, Lo- Logan has spent 20 plus years in the US Air Force. You're, you're from the UK. And then you became a contractor. It's kind of a broad term. And today I'd like to drill down on it because you know, a heck of a lot about what goes be- behind the scenes. Analysis of UAP videos and imagery. You've, you've worked on programs that, that were trying to get to the bottom of things. And we're really interested in how that process works as far as you can go. I know there, there are some sensitivities. You can't go over the line and even wouldn't do that to help us out, inform the public, but uh, we want to be respectful of, of uh, of your career and your credentials and don't want to cause you more problems than we're already gonna do.

• 5:09George Knapp?

  Jeremy, remember when we first saw Logan? It was at SCU, I think.

• 5:14Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. So never going to admit first contact, even with an extraterrestrial species, but I will say this is um, we were together at SCU. And uh, he was telling me about something he was cooking up and everybody seemed to really respect this guy, you know? And so we stepped outside and had a little talk and instantaneously, I knew this guy must be an all source analyst because just the way his mind was thinking and problem solving in the conversation. And I want to brag about my friend Logan for a second. He took me aside one time and he said to me, um, hey man, we need to insulate, not isolate.

• 5:57Jeremy Corbell?

  And when he said that to me, I instantaneously understood that he was a guy that knew that if we were going to make progress, we'd have to do it together. And even if you don't have trust or you're building trust or someone has an agenda, that you still gotta insulate, not isolate. So thank you, Logan, uh, for teaching me that, that day. Um, but we've also had numerous times throughout the history of our development over the last, you know, 10 years or whatever, or since 2017, I'll say, where, where people like Logan have, have talked to us like unofficially, within the boundaries, always colored within the lines. And that's part of why I wanted him on as well, because he got some fingers pointed at him and you know, let's just address it.

• 6:40Jeremy Corbell?

  But yeah, so that's how I know Logan George is um, I instantly knew that he was a pal and he had something to teach me.

• 6:47George Knapp?

  Logan, what did you do in the Air Force? And, and how did that lead to work as a contractor? And can you tell us contractor for whom?

• 6:56Speaker 02

  I can't really say contractor for whom, but various parts of the IC. But I started off as a B-52 crew chief in Upper Michigan. Froze my butt off for three years, actually got frostbite three years in a row. And I begged them to say, send me someplace warm. And they tried and then they couldn't do it. So I said, I'm out. And then they said, well, you like to solve problems. What if we gave you an intel job? And I was like, is it inside? I said, yes. And after that, I jumped all over it. And through that experience, I got to do a lot of different things.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  I was stationed in Bitburg, Germany. And so from 1985 to 1990, was in Upper Michigan. From 1990 to 93 was in Bitburg. And I saw some things there, but I even saw some things outside of the military when I was still living in England. So as I retired from the Air Force, I was doing some air domain stuff. And

• 8:10Speaker 02

  it was funny, my, my spouse said, hey,

• 8:15Speaker 02

  what are you going to do when you grow up? And I said, I said, this is going to sound really weird, but I really want to find out what these things are flying around the sky and stuff like that. And then it was like six months later, the story came out with Lou Elizondo and she's looking at me and I'm like,

• 8:35Speaker 02

  yeah. Yeah. And so we just laughed about it. And then I engaged with Lou and even though I was already working as a contractor at a place, I just told Lou, I said, I said, listen, um, about these things that you're tracking that you seem to have a problem with. If you're all that, come visit me. And I wanted to just see, could he get through the doors, all the security and all that other stuff? And next thing you know. Lou, Chris Mellon, Jay Stratton, and an entourage showed up in my office and I was like, "Oh, F, I've got myself into something here."

• 9:20Speaker 02

  You know, and uh, they presented their problem set. I kind of went,

• 9:29Speaker 02

  "That's not real, that's not real. That I'm not sure about. This thing here, I can show you that it's real." And they started talking among themselves and they said, "We were told this is not real." And I said, "Here's uh, something else that would indicate that it's real." And they kind of go in quiet for a while and started nodding their head. We finished our conversation and then, it was funny, they were leaving and then I saw Jay Stratton lean over to Lou and Lou turned back around and said, "You're in." And I was like, "In what?" And he said, "You'll see." Yeah. And that's how I became part of the task force.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  So, it was kind of weird.

• 10:17George Knapp?

  You said you had seen, go ahead Jeremy, sorry.

• 10:19Jeremy Corbell?

  No, go ahead.

• 10:20George Knapp?

  You said you had seen things at various places, meaning seeing it in the course of your work, in files, uh, on screens, or you saw things with your own eyes in the sky, or both?

• 10:33Speaker 02

  I saw both. So, when I was in England as a kid, I was about 11 years old and I lived in the town of Nottingham, alright? So, Sherwood Forest.

• 10:43George Knapp?

  I know the sheriff there, yeah, right, yeah.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  You know, I'm still mad at you guys because every time I see a Robin Hood movie, it's never the real castle, but that's another story. Um,

• 10:54Speaker 02

  but a friend of mine, we're, we're throwing a softball and I think you remember back in the days where people used to throw their sneakers on the telephone lines? You know, so... We threw the ball. There was a sneaker tied upon the telephone lines and way off in the distance, there was this triangular thing. To me, it looked like an iron that you iron your clothes with. The top part was gray. The whole bottom part was glowing. And I said, what is that? And my friend said, oh, that's a helicopter. And I was like, I don't hear anything. And so we went inside and told his mom and she pretty much told

• 11:37Speaker 02

  us to shut up and sit down and leave. So that was the end of that, you know, but it's always stuck with me in my, in my head that there was something weird out there. Then, um, it was, what was weird to me was, um, I was in, uh, Phoenix, Arizona. I was leaving Phoenix, Arizona, going to Tucson where I was stationed at, uh, based there. Um, I was with a unit called AB triple C. There was a command and control unit. And I got out of Phoenix and was going back to Tucson and, uh, all this speculation going on, the stuff on the radios and, and everything. And I was with my, my ex-wife at the time.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  And we were trying to figure out what's all this commotion. And I'm, we got out of the car to look, and I'm seeing something that looks like it's blocking out the stars off in the distance, towards the east of the highway going between Phoenix and, and, and Tucson. But I can't make out what it is. So I call, you know, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. All I know is based on the information, everybody's saying it's a UFO. I'm like, oh my God, tomorrow it's gonna break loose. Everybody's gonna be talking about this. And then when I heard the story that it was flares and A10s, I was like,

• 12:57Speaker 02

  no, that's not true. And I even called someone. I, I called someone that I knew up at Luke Air Force Base and he was like, yeah, um, I can't talk about it, Logan. I, I gotta go. Bye. Click. And that was enough for me to know there was more going on. Now, here it is. So, but that was 97, uh, or timeframe. But what I want to tell you is in 1990, when I cross-trained to, from B-52 crew chief to intel person.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  That was January nineteen ninety and I I did not know anything about the Belgian wave. I just knew that I was going over to Europe. And the plane, uh, we had stopped off in Philadelphia, which is kinda where my mom was staying and everything. Um, so I took the time to go grab two cheese steaks, two hoagies. And I was like, okay, I'm going to Germany for my first intel assignment. This is gonna be cool, F fifteens flying around. We got on the plane and just as we were coming down over, um, we had just passed by Iceland and we're coming down over Scotland, going towards Frankfurt, Rhine-Main air airbase.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  I'm eating my my cheesesteak and some guy behind me is like, I smell cheesesteak. Someone sell me a cheesesteak, so I sold it to him. And he was standing right beside me and I'm looking out the window and all of a sudden, I see this object dancing in the clouds.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  And I'm like, hey, what's that? What is that? What is that? And the guy beside me and the guy eating the other cheesesteak, he's like, he's like, uh, actually it was a hoagie, but he's looking and we're all looking, trying to figure out what this thing is and the sun is just coming up. And then all of a sudden, it goes into a cloud and we don't see it anymore. So I don't think about it. I I I mean, I thought about it. And thought, I probably just exposed some super secret classified stuff that someone is gonna get me in trouble for. So I get to my unit, I sit there for a while and finally I go to my weapons officer and I say,

• 15:15Speaker 02

  what's that thing flying around in the sky? And they look at me like I'm an idiot. Now, again, still didn't know anything about the Belgian wave. So, go to Desert Storm, come back and British AWACS lands at our base.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  And they're like, what are you doing with the Americans? Cause I still had my accent. So they're like, why don't you come fly with us? So I've, I asked my boss, can I go fly with them?

• 15:46Speaker 02

  He said, yeah, we're going, we're flying around Europe. And finally, I go, what's that thing out there that does the ziggy zaggy thing? And they, they're like looking at me and they're like, you know? I was like, no, I don't know. They're like, come on, Logan, you know, I was like, no, I don't know, just tell me. So finally, they put in this tape and they show this aircraft going across Europe. And it's hauling ass. So I'm like, who's that? And they're like, you know, I was like, look, guys, let's not go through that again. Who's that? And they said, that's your SR71. And I was like, well, that's not him. He's going in a straight line.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  What about the zigzaggy thing? And this is when they blew my mind. They pulled out another tape or something, put it in and you can see just about every rotation of the radar. There's this object moving all over Germany and parts of,

• 16:51Speaker 02

  Belgium and stuff like that. I was so excited, guys. I said, who's that MF right there? And, and the guy goes, Logan. I was like, look, let's not go through that. Who's that guy? And they looked at me and they said, we don't know. They said, every time we called out to him, he never answers. Every time we vector aircraft to him, he moves. Like, like, like the wind, he's gone. And he's in another position. And I was like, so who do you think it is? They said, we just assumed it was you Americans. And you got some special program you don't want to tell us about. And I'm like,

• 17:36Speaker 02

  nothing I know of, you know, but this is interesting. And so the funny thing that happened after that was, I asked them a question and I think you guys will find this interesting. I said, I said, I know about AWACS. I get it.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  But if you're seeing it.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  Is the rest of your squadron seeing it? And he goes, oh yeah, we all know about this guy. And I was like, so why, why nobody's talking? He goes, we all lose our jobs when we start talking about this thing. Cause we, you know, either it's the uh stigma or whatever, but it doesn't work. So I, so I asked one more question. I said,

• 18:21Speaker 02

  this is gonna sound weird, guys. I'm not saying you guys can give me an answer, but if you're British AWACS and we have NATO AWACS, we have USAWACS, the Israelis have AWACS, Japan has AWACS, Russia has AWACS.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  I would think then that you're all probably seeing the same guy flying around at some time. And he just looked at me and said,

• 18:51Speaker 02

  yeah, I would pretty much go with that. And that was it. That was it for me. And I was like, okay, somebody's not, there's stuff going on. And then later on, I heard about the Belgian wave and I was like, could these guys be the same guys?

• 19:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, but hold on. So you're, so, so for our listeners, just what is the acronym AWACS mean?

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• 19:42Speaker 02

  Airborne Warning and Command and Control System.

• 19:46Jeremy Corbell?

  So your point is that when you saw something that technologically we're unaware of with our nation, you then kind of inquired. And if it's not China, Russia, all the other countries that you listed, and they're looking at it too, and they don't know who it is, then it's somebody unknown to the major dominant technologically advanced nations of planet Earth.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Yes, that's where I was going. And I just wanted to make sure that I'm like, if your AWACS and all your AWACS systems pretty much work the same.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Then one would assume that all of you guys with AWACS are all seeing guys like this zipping around the place and whatever.

• 20:27George Knapp?

  And from the vantage point of 2026, what you know now, looking back on that, because a lot of people tried to explain it away as some secret US platform up there. They all thought that was true. Do you think it was true or it really was something unidentified?

• 20:42Speaker 02

  I'm not that smart, but I do not assume that it was a US platform, not the way that sucker is moving. Because think about it, F-117, we kind of knew it was coming out and then it came out and then we saw it. B2, we kind of knew it was coming out. This thing has been going on for like, what, how many years and we still haven't had a program come out from the US saying this is ours? So, I mean, we got to flaunt our stuff to let people know, hey, you know, we're the big guy on the block. And this is one of those things that has never come out. Now, what I didn't realize was this, I didn't know what this thing was. And then James Fox asked me to be on his show and talk.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  And I wanted to talk about what we did in the task force that was, that was unclassified, just to let everybody know. The task force wasn't there to go out to the public, to tell everybody what was going on. The task force was to answer the questions that the pilots were coming up with because they kept seeing these things and some of them were scaring the shit out of pilots. Excuse my English. But the stuff was scaring the crap out of the pilots. So, when I worked on the program with James Fox, he says, hey, Logan, by the way, you haven't seen the whole movie now that I fixed everything up, so I'm going to send you a copy so you can look.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  And then we got to the Calvine picture and then I was like, holy crap, that's the thing I saw outside the window. And he called me back when I told him that and he goes, when did you see this? So, if I remember correctly, the Calvine video is, picture is August of 1990 and what I saw was January of 1990.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 22:36Jeremy Corbell?

  Let me.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 22:38Jeremy Corbell?

  I just want to back you up a second, but finish this story because I got to back up for a second after you finish this.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  No, that that's pretty much it. We were just sitting there going, he goes, so he was like verifying, he's like, so you saw this thing and from this angle and I was like, yeah, I said, the way it was going in the clouds, I said, it kept turning like, kind of like a gray, silverish, dark color, and then it would turn back again. But I said, and and but the I said, the way it went into the clouds, sometimes you, it didn't go in from the point that it came out. It's like it went in, but then it came out this way, then it went this way, and just really weird. No, no, no aircraft flies like that. Okay?

• 23:19Jeremy Corbell?

  So, so, um, I just because you said the words when I was working on the program with James Fox, which some people might misunderstand. The program is a movie, called, it's, it's, the movie's called The Program, or I think, and you were part of that movie. I just thought it was funny. Don't make people think James is in on it.

• 23:37George Knapp?

  Okay, come on, don't cover for James, Jeremy. Come on, don't cover for James.

• 23:41Jeremy Corbell?

  That's right. No, it's a good point, you know? We got to check his underwear. We got to check his socks, make sure he's not a snoop.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Yes, you do.

• 23:47Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, check it out. I want to back up because you said something very interesting, and I thought that was hilarious. Did I get this right? So you heard about Lou Elizondo because he came public, but you had no footprint or fingerprint in this world, and you kind of were flexing on him. You were like, oh, yeah, so if you are this top dog, and you're like, here's where I'm working, but you need security clearances. Let's see if you and this guy Jay Stratton can get in there. Were you kind of like trying to vet them?

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, so you'll meet people that will talk to you, right? You'll meet them at a conference or whatever, and they'll say, oh, I'm such and such. And I'm like, okay. And they'll say, well, you know, next time I'm in town, I'd like to talk to you and da da. So my thing is, sure, send me your clearances, all that other stuff. And then, you know, and then you'll hear the door open and you'll hear someone say, I'm looking for Logan, you know? All of a sudden, I get a call, and security going, hey, there's a bunch of guys out here looking for you. And I was like, what are their names? And he said, Lou Elizondo, Jay Stratton, and I think the only person that didn't show up that day was Jim Semivan.

• 24:57Jeremy Corbell?

  So, so I just, I just want to acknowledge that it's funny, it's like, um, you know, trust but verify even in the intelligence community. So you can use the shield of actually being in the intelligence community and having that level of security. And you were like flexing on these guys to see if they were full of shit or not. So let me ask you, um, do you, did you trust Lou then, or he was earning your trust and do you trust Lou now?

• 25:22Speaker 02

  I trust Lou now.

• 25:23Jeremy Corbell?

  Why?

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Because at least for me, everything that he came with, he was straightforward with. And we actually worked together to try and check on some things. And there was, I found no reason to find that he was untrustworthy. Okay?

• 25:40Jeremy Corbell?

  Agreed and same experience myself, but he gets a bad rap because he's made some mistakes out of enthusiasm. You know, people bring up that, you know, disc thing of the crop and like, you know, my argument is Lou's never lied to me. He's never deceived me. He's always been straight, told me something or not told me if he can't. But he just gets such a bad rap. So I think it's cool. You flexed on him. And he didn't, none of these guys, Jay Stratton, all these people, probably only George knew their names back then, you know? So it's kind of cool.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Probably because I, I sure as hell didn't know any Jay Stratton, Jim Semen. I didn't even know who Chris Mellon was.

• 26:14Jeremy Corbell?

  But, but they brought you in and you skipped over that. So all of a sudden, you know, kind of predictably, you're like telling your loved one, oh, I'm gonna, I want to find out what these things are. And then boom, the, the earth shatters, two, 2017, everything starts popping off. Then you say, they brought me into the task force. You explained a little bit, but you're talking about the UAP task force, which was stood up by Jay Stratton. And as you said, it wasn't a PR campaign. It was to tell the pilots what the fuck they were seeing because it was dangerous. So you.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  And I officially knew with. Trying to go to Congress or whatever it was all about. Can we answer what these things are for the pilots?

• 26:56Jeremy Corbell?

  And you officially became part, because a lot of people claim it and they're lying. You officially became part of the UAP Task Force under Jay Stratton, correct?

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Yes, and I, I kept it quiet until that SCU conference that we were at. Because Jay was talking at the SCU conference.

• 27:17Jeremy Corbell?

  With George.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  And all of a sudden, I'm talking to Dr. Eric Davis about, you know, the app and whatever. And all of a sudden, a bunch of people just surrounded us and I was like, what, what did I do? And they go, Jay Stratton just said that, that you work for him. I go, what? They said, they said, why are you asking me? Ask Logan. He worked for me. And I looked around. And he just had this shit eating grin on his face as he scooped out the door. And I was like, oh crap.

• 27:45George Knapp?

  You know, Logan, that there was a period where the UAP Task Force existed, but didn't exist. So right after New York Times story comes out, Jay gets called in, hey, you've been working on this stuff. Under OSAP and ATIP, you were looking at it and at DIA, we need you to put this thing together. He put together the UAP Task Force before it existed. It was for two years it operated. And then it was created formally and, and supposedly got to work.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  I came in on the tail end, I guess of ATIP, and then it became the UAP Task Force. And, but my thing was.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  How often do you have a passion or something that you're really curious about? And the government comes to you and say, we want to, we want you to help us solve this problem. I was all in. I was all in. But yes, you're, you're 100% right. He was doing the stuff before. So I wasn't really too, too involved in the stuff before. But I came in on the tail end and then they were like, what can you do for us? And I had.

• 28:50Jeremy Corbell?

  So, so how long?

• 28:51Speaker 02

  And look at it.

• 28:52Jeremy Corbell?

  How, how long was Jay Stratton on the UFO beat? And in what capacity before the task force? Do you know?

• 29:00Speaker 02

  I, all I can tell you is what I've read and what they've told me. You know, because, because my side of this thing was. I wanted to know how far down the rabbit hole did they really go? You know, I checked his clearances and he was cleared for weird. I checked Lou's clearances and they were cleared for weird. And I was like. I said, guys, come on now. I said, you've got higher clearances than me. And yet, I'm in this thing to help you out. And it's like, you don't have the answers? And learn from that.

• 29:34Jeremy Corbell?

  But, but, hold on. But you are an all source analyst by trade. And I, I think people really need to understand what that means. George and I know a number of all source analysts and it is a little bit different. Can you just, in a couple paragraphs, tell our audience, what is an all source analyst? Kind of like your superpower? What is it you do?

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 29:57Jeremy Corbell?

  And how is it different?

• 29:58Speaker 02

  So, the unique thing about being an all source analyst is, we get to look at what everybody else does. So, you will have your signals or signal analyst. You will have your imagery guys. You will have your video guys. You will have your human guys. Okay? And that's all fine, because they are disciplines unto themselves. But at some point, there's got to be someone out there that takes a look at everything and then goes to the commander and says, here's what this means, sir. The enemy is doing this, or this thing is doing that. And you put it all together. So you don't just take one int. So, I think I told you before, that when we're doing imagery and these guys come back from this video, and they say, oh, it doesn't do this.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Well, the reason why we would look at it differently is because we're actually getting the pilot's report and getting the pilot's debrief. Or, the sensor operator's debrief. And they're telling us what it did before, during, and sometimes after, the thing disappears. And some of these things did some incredible things, before they even got videotaped. And that's what got them the attention to start videotaping it in the first place. So that's the best way I can say, we take, we aggregate everything and bring it together, and then try to present that as a, as a story to tell the commander.

• 31:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Where most things are compartmentalized, all source analysts, they get a fuller picture because of clearance and position.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes. 100%. So, we're, like, Lou will tell you, he's a counterintelligence guy. Okay? So, I'm like, we're like yin and yang. So now we have to bring it together and figure out what does this really mean? Could this, you know, every time we discussed, the first thing was, could this be a foreign power? And what do the foreign powers have that could come to this capability? And, you know, we're going down the checklist, can't be that one, well, can't be that one. Well, you know, I've heard about this. Well, let's do some research on that. And then you come back and you go, it's not that one. So at the end of the day, we were coming down to the list and we're getting down on the shortlist and you're like,

• 32:10Speaker 02

  I got nobody, so could this be it?

• 32:15George Knapp?

  Other.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  It's kind of, yeah, other, and it's, and saying other is like touching the third rail on a, on a, on a rail, rail track. You know, you, you, you gotta be very careful how you use that word.

• 32:29George Knapp?

  So the test force is created, you know, officially, I think in 2020, but from early 2018, until Congress officially designated it exist, the, the team was working, gathering information, case files, videos, images. Some of those images eventually were made public by Jeremy and I. And, um, and we would let Jay know, sorry, uh, we're going to go forward with this. And he was, god damn it, he was kind of mad about it, but, you know, you want to give him a heads up. And then it, it hits the, uh, social media and you will see people, oh yeah, well, that's, uh, that's balloons, that's birds, that's, uh, X, Y, Z.

• 33:09George Knapp?

  And, and the assumption of the debunkers has to rest on this concept that all of you guys are idiots. That people doing the image analyst, analysis, the pilots, the sensor operators, you don't see what is obviously birds and balloons. And gosh, all right, it takes some guy on Twitter to explain the, the facts of life to you. It must be frustrating.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Very, very, um, it got so frustrating because you don't know.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  When you ask for help,

• 33:42Speaker 02

  if that guy knows his stuff, or if that guy's junior, whatever. I remember at one point, I was so upset because this thing was clearly weird looking and acting weird or whatever. And they gave me a very prosaic answer. And I, I remember calling Jay up and I said, permission to treat this organization as a hostile. And he was like, what happened? And I told him and he goes, okay. And I just never talked to them again. I went to other people because it was like, I'm, you're an all source analyst, but you have to be trained a little bit in video analysis,

• 34:24Speaker 02

  imagery analysis, so that when that report comes in, you understand what's going on. And you don't always, you know, you, you, you always leave it so that you can call them back and say, hey, guy, you mentioned this, but you didn't really explain this. Kind of like how Jeremy and you are asking me some of the details now. You know, you go, hey, can you give us some clarity? And when they come back with something that's just so off the wall, you're like, okay. Are you sure you want to go with that statement? And then he's, okay, that's it. And then you hang up and then you're like, okay, we're not talking to those people anymore. All right. And you move on.

• 35:04George Knapp?

  Um, so yeah, some of the explanations got to be very frustrating for you. You know, that's not it, but they get away with it. And in, in effect, every case, every incident, every video, every photo has been declared debunked by someone out there. Oh, that's been debunked.

• 35:20Jeremy Corbell?

  Yes. Everything we've put out specifically, there's a lot of nonsense about it. And we, and we did not pull these and take the risk of putting them to the public, you know, making sure we're not endangering national security, checks and balances, protocols, federal lawyers, legal scholars, constitutional scholars that I consulted with. We didn't do that willy nilly yet. Everything George and I have put out, even though our own government labeled it UAP, even though it came from the UAP, secret, separate files, which I don't think we should talk about, but you understand Logan, that there's, you know, broader things people get access to and smaller things.

• 35:59George Knapp?

  Yet they're all explained away on Twitter.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:02George Knapp?

  Not not yet, but they try to.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  They try to, but I'll I'll tell you something. The first time you came out with a video that I saw. Cause Jay didn't always give us heads up that this video was coming out after you guys told them that. So the first time you guys came out with a video, I was like looking, I was like.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Son of a bitch, where'd you get that from? You know? And then I remember I asked you, I said. I said, Jeremy. You got some really good sources. You wanna? Yeah, no, no, no, no, it's almost like you were saying ancient Chinese secret, you know? And and I and and I was good with that. And then this particular one. That you guys pulled out for Syria, you're right. I. I got so many calls on that because I was the one that. Requested the video analysis for that particular one, alright? And and everybody was calling me, they were like. Dude, did you see that? I was like, what? Oh shit.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  And and now I'm feeling, I'm feeling in a weird way because one, I'm sitting there going. Good on George and Jeremy. And then two, I'm like. Do we have a leak somewhere? And then. My wife looks at me and she goes, what's wrong? And she, I said. I said, I don't know how they're getting this stuff. And she goes. She goes, so you're analyzing it and you don't have an answer? And I was like. Yeah, she goes. She goes, mustn't be particularly vexing for you, huh? Cause you didn't have an answer? And I was like, ouch. Okay, we'll leave it at that. Well, but. Kudos on you guys. I don't know how you did it, but I I gotta.

• 37:48George Knapp?

  Well, but at some point they have to figure, somebody's gonna, you have to realize. Hey, somebody's gonna think I leaked this to those guys because I was in charge of the analysis, right?

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I haven't touched that stuff in years, but.

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• 38:57Speaker 02

  But I mean, that leads us to the other thing that I would just wanted to bring up to you. I mean, just last week, uh, someone on X named Astral accused me of being the one that started the rumor about Trump's alien rumor, something going on. And again, my phone's blowing up and I'm like, what? What now? And they're like, is this you? Is this true? And I was like, hold on, let me check. And I look at it and I was like, I said, how would I know? It has nothing to do with me and the guy didn't even spell my name right. But, but I said, I would love to know how my name

• 39:40Speaker 02

  came into it because I don't know this guy from, or, well, he's using a call sign Astral. I think I don't know this guy from Adam. And there would be nothing, nothing to tell him. But, yeah, it is what it is.

• 39:55Jeremy Corbell?

  So back up one second. Important, I want to address a couple of things you said.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:00Jeremy Corbell?

  So first of all, George taught me from the very beginning and we've had depth, you know, in-depth talks about this. Um, you asking me ever like how George and I obtain and then decide to release stuff, I would never share with you because that would compromise you because you would have to report, you know, what's mine.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  One hundred percent. After I asked you, I, I sat there and go, that was a stupid question.

• 40:24Jeremy Corbell?

  It's okay. People ask me every day, but the thing is me and George, like, George says protect sources, even if they don't. Especially if they don't protect themselves. It's okay. I always imagine talking with someone like you. You're in the IC. You've got a duty to do, and I want to support that. I'm just not going to contribute to it. So the thing is, you can ask away. I mean, we've had agencies talk to us. But the thing is, is that in America right now, the First Amendment is still protected. And so we, as journalists, not only obtain without soliciting, we obtain. And then we actually do a thing that most people don't do. Sometimes we sit on it for years to make sure, one, we're not being entrapped, because it is legal for the federal government to entrap journalists.

• 41:09Jeremy Corbell?

  Two, we want to make sure that we don't get in a situation where our mouths can be used. We like being free journalists, right? And that is another way to control the messaging. And then, three, I love it when people speculate and they have no idea how George and me and how we do obtain it, our process, and we have a federal lawyer for that. Then anybody ever wants to ask, he'll give you his number, right? But what I'm seeing from you is that, of course, it is an issue. When things, anything gets leaked out of a-

• 41:40Speaker 02

  It's a national security thing, because I got to, I sit there and think, what was the level that I did it at? And then someone got in at that level and was able to obtain this and-

• 41:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Right. So Logan, so where we're at, I just want the public to know. There are three sides to a coin, always. People don't usually know that. So I've got Logan, my friend, and Logan, who's got a duty to our country, and I respect both. But the truth of our relationship is the edge. That's the third side, which is, dude, we're standing on a razor blade here. Like, did you have to disclose your friendship to me and George in order to come on our podcast or talk to us? Did you have formal contact questioning you about our releases as well as informal?

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had both. I had both. Just, you know, I don't know if it was just someone being curious on the official side or on the, well, on the unofficial side, I know that for sure, people being curious. But people were like, hey, did you see this video? Do you know how they got it?

• 42:46Jeremy Corbell?

  No. Okay. And so on the official side, did they tell you what agency they were representing?

• 42:55Jeremy Corbell?

  Do you suspect, you know?

• 42:56Speaker 02

  I just made, I just made assumptions, but I, no.

• 43:01Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, well, here's the deal. You can give them my or George's phone number, and they're welcome to call us, so I can give them our federal lawyer's phone number.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  I'm not throwing you guys underneath the bus right away. Here's Jeremy's information.

• 43:15Jeremy Corbell?

  No, no, but Logan, the thing is, we, we're not, you know, we're not hiding anything. We're just not saying. So the, the deal is this, man, um, I, I love it when people speculate, and they try to paint false targets on people like Grush, or you, or Lou, or anybody in the media. Anybody, actually, of my associates and George's associates, people have been contacted. But they've never contacted me or George. So if you want to know, I'll give you my lawyer's number.

• 43:42George Knapp?

  Logan, let's go back to this Syrian image. So it comes out, somebody calls it to your attention, you see it, you wonder, oh, hell, how'd those guys get that? Can we, how far can you go in discussing the legitimacy of that image now that we put it out there? Can you talk about it at all? And you, can you talk about sort of the process of how you analyzed it? And what you concluded, or, or is that off the list?

• 44:04Speaker 02

  So, that's, that's very interesting, George. So when it, when, when that stuff comes in, the first thing I'm doing is, is I'm asking, where's the rest of the information? If we, if we saw it live, then we're talk, we're usually talking to the operators or whoever. But if it just comes in as a, a video, then we're like, I'm like, where's the rest of the information? And because that one was so unique, I specifically remember saying, "I need more detail. Let's get a video analyst to take a look at this and, you know, speed it up, slow it down, put it in the different contrasts, all that stuff. Show me what's, you know, what am I missing?" And I remember everything that we did, and based on the report.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  I came to the conclusion and the other guys came to the conclusion that this met all the parameters of a UAP. And I don't remember what. If it met the parameters of a UAP, it goes into a bucket. Cause we want to compare it to all the other stuff that meets fall into those parameters. Not just the location, not just, I mean, we're looking at location, the time, the weather, whether any other things around it. Could there be some reason why this thing popped up? What kind of bird could this be? How fast was it moving? What birds fitting that characteristics? We're looking at everything.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  And by the time we were done, we were like, dude, okay, that, that's, that's, that's a good one. It goes in our bucket and you know, cause there's stuff that still goes into the maybe bucket.

• 45:46Jeremy Corbell?

  But yeah, but this one was in the, this one was in the mushroom shaped UAP demonstrating clearly instantaneous acceleration, but we're going to use the word apparent anyway. But here's the deal, Logan, you then know that there's probably like, like if there were like title cards or something like that, like we, George and I reported exactly how we obtained what we reported. So I think that's, I think that's important and let's drill in on that for one second, which is actually, I'm just curious if you agree. Um, I'm not an all source analyst. You had previous knowledge of this, uh, video.

• 46:29Jeremy Corbell?

  This is the video that people did not want me and George to put out. And they didn't because the sentiment is, and it, let's see if it stands the test of time, which it has so far.

• 46:45Jeremy Corbell?

  That what we are seeing is something that we don't have the capability to do. You're having a clear demonstration of an object performing instantaneous acceleration, where G-forces would normally turn a human body into jello and juice.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 47:08Jeremy Corbell?

  And even structurally, you would have, with most material science, you would have an explosion from that type of instantaneous, because of what we call inertia, which I had to look up the word to really remember what it means. I've looked it up 50 times over the last year. So inertial effect. So I just got a question, as an all-source analyst, who not only put this in the UAP category, but additionally ordered a visual analysis of it within the intelligence community that is now public. What in the world do you speculate we are seeing?

• 47:54Speaker 02

  I don't have a proper name for it, so it's just on the UAP, because we're always looking to find something that fits in that, in that mode of operations, the way that it moves and all those other things. And until we find it, and something can say, this is Prose, because this thing does the exact same thing. All I can say is that this was no doubt a UAP in my book. But I always...

• 48:23Jeremy Corbell?

  Is it demonstrating instantaneous acceleration?

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Yes. In my book, what I saw was instantaneous acceleration.

• 48:33Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, and then last question on that. If you can't tell me what it is, because we don't know what UAP actually are, to some degree, can you just plainly tell our audience what they're not seeing? What it isn't? Can you give me a list?

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, there's so many different aircrafts out there that perform weird, right? Because if you want something that can stop on a dime, then you got a balloon or a dirigible. If you want something that can move fast, well, a dirigible ain't it, and a balloon ain't it. So now you got a drone. Now, there is a drone out there that... Has been shown to move erratically so that it can move in one direction real quickly and stop and move again and everything. But not at the speeds that we're seeing. We're, you know, this thing looks like they designed it specifically to look like a UFO. Think it's called an Adifo or something like that.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Some Polish guy created it, but nothing to the scale of what we are seeing. And so that automatically, as you pull away all the little points, it puts it into one of those categories that Lou mentions about instantaneous acceleration and.

• 49:49Jeremy Corbell?

  It's the first observable, the very first observable is instantaneous acceleration. I don't know that Lou came up with that. It's been around for a while in the UFO land. But so your assessment as an all source analyst who had previous knowledge of it, ordered the visual, you know, analysis of it is that to this day, even through your whole process, you're shocked it's out. But we're seeing a UAP that I'm going to say looks like a mushroom, a dome with a little thing on the bottom. And that it is demonstrating clearly to the American public and global public, instantaneous acceleration. Yes or no?

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yes, to the best of my knowledge, yes.

• 50:27Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, so you currently are in the intelligence community and currently hold the clearance, right?

• 50:32Speaker 02

  I am not in the intelligence community anymore. I have a clearance, but I don't do that stuff anymore. I am a removed from that stuff.

• 50:42Jeremy Corbell?

  Sure. So, so with that said, have you ever in your history of analysis, seen a better piece of footage of instantaneous acceleration by a UAP?

• 50:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:59Jeremy Corbell?

  Can you tell us about?

• 51:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:03Jeremy Corbell?

  So is there, is there more clear footage that our government has not shown to the public of UFOs demonstrating the five observables?

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Well, normally I would say, ask your source, but, but, but yes. Um, there's definitely more stuff out there and I think more stuff is being collected every day. Now, I haven't kept up with what's been collected in the past few years.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Um, because I'm not in that anymore.

• 51:31Jeremy Corbell?

  No, but the, the American public is not seeing the best evidence, like from Arrow and all that there. They, they have great stuff and they're not showing it to us because if you've seen great evidence and that is absolutely maybe from a satellite platform, they don't want to put that out and it clearly shows the five observables and you're telling us you've seen it. By the way, George and I have.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  All I can say is this, Jeremy, there are, there's videos out there that show parts of the five observables, whatever. I have never seen a video that shows all of them all at once.

• 52:02Jeremy Corbell?

  Right.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  But I've seen stuff out there that clearly, clearly you, there's no, I, I've, when I stepped away from everything and I said I wanted to do the app and all that other stuff, the one thing I said I wanted to be able to do is someone like Mick West, Neil deGrasse Tyson, I would like to put something in there in, in front of them that just says, where they go, I got nothing. Cause they're always ready to come up with some, you know, prosa.

• 52:32Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, but it, but they're, but, but also they're intentional liars. And so that's, that's the thing I just got to call that out. I've tested that they're intentionally deceive and also have admitted that they do work for people, but won't say who, but you know, headline, let's back up.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  They have to be skeptics, so I'm, I'm, I'm always open minded.

• 52:51Jeremy Corbell?

  No, and, and you're all, and you taught me to insulate, not isolate, but at some point you got to kick the dog out the barn. Anyway, George. What Logan just said is that like us, he's seen definitive incredible footage of UAP that have not been shown to the public and there's no good reason for classification. And Arrow is underhand throwing bullshit out to the American public. You and I can confirm that, but now Logan is telling us that he's seen better. What do you make of that, George? That Arrow and everything you're seeing in the news with President Obama and Trump? What do you make of that? That they've had this great footage and that unfortunately, it has to get leaked to journalists instead of them putting out? What do you say, George?

• 53:36Speaker 02

  So there's something I gotta say here. Arrow is doing what they're gonna do because of whatever guidance they've been given. But when it comes to the President of the United States, you got to think, for him to even get a briefing, he's getting the cream of the crop, okay? Because he has to make decisions on this possibly in the future, whatever. They're not gonna give him all the little crazy stuff that gets leaked. They're gonna give him the very best stuff. And I would assume that he's seen way better stuff than me when he got his briefing or whatever. Okay? So when they say all this stuff in the news, you know,

• 54:19Speaker 02

  like George, you said at the beginning of this conversation that you were gonna ask me about the Obama thing and the Trump thing, alright? In my head and in the head of many people that I've talked about, we're like, if it's that easy to just say, "I'm gonna tell the Pentagon to send out a letter and da, da, da, da, da." Why didn't the other presidents do it?

• 54:41Jeremy Corbell?

  They tried.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  Did they?

• 54:44Jeremy Corbell?

  Yes, George can tell you. He knew some of the people.

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• 55:42Speaker 02

  So, so my, my question to you then is then, what makes this president so different that he can just go ahead and say, this is what I'm going to do? Because I've got lots of friends that get really excited about this.

• 55:59Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. George, will you tell us?

• 56:02George Knapp?

  Well, a couple of things. You know, I think our, our mutual friend, Dr. Jim Lekatsky, who created and managed OSAP, biggest UFO program acknowledged by the government, came out and said it. Arrow is doing its job, and their job is counterintelligence to dismiss this stuff. We saw statements yesterday from Kirkpatrick, the former director of Arrow, who still acts like he's in charge and speaks on behalf of Arrow, undercutting the president's request for this. "I've seen everything, there's nothing to it." Obviously bullshit, but it's already meant to muddy the waters. We see-

• 56:38Speaker 02

  My one quick question to that, George, is why are we even paying attention to him anymore? He's, he's no longer in there. I'm not really in there anymore, but I've got an app where I'm trying to. But with him, he's not even in this anymore. So why are we, why do-

• 56:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, he's counterintelligence. He's doing his job, and everybody's making excuses. So, George, continue, I want to hear.

• 56:57George Knapp?

  Yeah, Arrow is created by Congress. I think Congress creates that organization with an idea in mind that they're going to get to the bottom of this, study these cases, not realizing that their bosses, the Defense Department, the Department of War now, have a different idea about what that agency should do. We're not getting anything out of them. They're, they got a lot of input. We're not seeing anything. They will, might maybe release an image once a year, something that they've debunked. There's nothing that they've ever found to be suitable for public release. You know, a lot of the image that Jeremy and I put out comes our way, and the in-media complaint is, oh, well, it's grainy. Look at this, it's grainy, it's fuzzy.

• 57:39George Knapp?

  You know, we tried to explain, these are sensor systems, these are thermal images.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Our stuff was never designed to go after this stuff.

• 57:47George Knapp?

  Yeah, they're not, they're not having these platforms out there in order to capture picture perfect images for UFO Twitter. They're doing a job.

• 57:56Jeremy Corbell?

  And it's, it's to target them and shoot them down if they're a threat and you see much better in thermal than with a 4K IMAX camera in order to shoot them.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  I, I like, don't get me wrong, I know people in Arrow and when it got created, I, I like them and everything, but I knew, everything came to me in the head when I, when Jay Stratton was not picked to be in part of Arrow, Lou wasn't part of Arrow, Cornell wasn't part of Arrow, that told me everything I needed to know. So I just kind of said, okay. And I, I even asked, I said, did any of our former task force members go over to Arrow? And at the time, the answer was no. So that told me everything I needed to know. Yeah, don't have to be an all source analyst to figure out that one.

• 58:44Jeremy Corbell?

  All right. Well, you are an all source analyst. So you know, I respect your opinion, but it wasn't us saying it was Dr. James Lekatsky saying that they're acting exactly like a counter intel against the American people, but it's their job. It's what they're told to do. But now that we know that, that Arrow is doing that, that there's better footage, they haven't put it out and they put out ridiculous debunks with errors in it. Let's bypass that because the world's on fire now. We're in a different place. Obama's comments and now Trump's comments, but I don't want to talk with you about that. I wanted to talk to you about that video. I wanted people to learn who you are and, and also advertise our friendship. So if you get weird calls, you send them to me and George. But now, last thing, I just want to hear, because day one, I met you, you told

• 59:28Jeremy Corbell?

  me about an app you're building and I, I think it's important. And so can you please give us education about your app?

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, after, when I was in the task force, after the task force started to die down, I went to Jay Stratton and said, you know what? I don't think we're gonna get anywhere with the government. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to do this ourselves. We need the people. I said, the government's got way more resources than everybody, but the one thing they don't have more resources is the people. So if we can get an app and get everybody behind it.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  We can do this. So I built an app that was based on education, experience and exposure. Something that could educate the people on where we are and on what we're trying to do. Um, give them an experience of their own so that if they see something, they can document it. And then the exposure was to get further exposure to the community so that we can figure out what these things are. And so I, I built it, um, it was, it's, it's still out there. I'm working on a second version because the first version that I had, like I said, got doxed. All of a sudden I had people putting in all kinds of crazy stuff.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  And I, because I built it with my own money, I didn't have the resources to jump on things as quickly as I wanted to. So now I have some backing. I have some good friends that are helping me put this stuff together. And the new version is going to be coming out shortly and it's going to be way better. And it's going to have all the things in there to protect us from all the BS that is out there to, to remove the noise level.

• 1:01:11George Knapp?

  So do you invite the public to send you images? Is that how it works?

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Yes. So I'm gonna, the way it works is we'll invite the public to send us images so that we can have our analysts go through it. And we invite the public to use the app to take their own images. And the idea is we'll get all the best guys, cause at the end of the day, I talk, I remember talking to Jacques Vallée, Eric Davis, I said, when we get some really good outliers, I want to take it to my, uh, my council of graybeards, which includes you guys, but, but others. And get you guys to look at it and say, okay, Logan, you missed this, or hey, Logan, this is some incredible shit. Let's get this to the right people and do what we need to do.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  But that's kind of where, where the app is going. And, and then it looks like we're right on track. I would say come early April, you'll see the new version. The current version is still there. And it's got cool bells and whistles, but this new version is going to have a lot more.

• 1:02:17Jeremy Corbell?

  What's the name of it? How do people download it to their phone? I want to support you.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  So it is the, the. The app is called Phenom and it's got a logo just like this. And you can download it at a HTTPS, you know, slash slash try dot the Phenom.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Dot app.

• 1:02:41Jeremy Corbell?

  We're gonna link that so everybody can get it because Logan, I think you're an honest broker of information. I think your origin story and what you said about wanting why to make the app is the people have to do it. And I think I believe you and so I want people to download it. You know, we need a people's champ right now, no matter what form it comes in. And I think we're close, man. So we're gonna leave it there. Everybody check out Logan's app, right? And thanks so much for coming on and maintaining a friendship with me and George despite any pressures you might get, official or unofficial.

• 1:03:23Jeremy Corbell?

  Thanks for coming on and thanks for being clear with us. I appreciate you, man.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Anytime, anytime.