"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586

Congressman Curt Weldon, Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer (DIA, Army Intel), and Major Eric Kleinsmith expose a suppressed pre-9/11 intel program—Able Danger—that allegedly identified key hijackers before the attacks. From deep state interference to destroyed data and bin Laden’s real location, this explosive conversation challenges everything you thought you knew. ------ Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH CURT WELDON: https://bit.ly/43ego5w Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH ANTHONY SCHAFFER: https://bit.ly/3YGVMBM⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh 👕 THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:58Patrick Bet-David?

  9/11, the biggest event that cost the most American lives ever. Why do we only spend $15 million to investigate that?

• 1:06Speaker 03

  The whole thing is a cover-up. And that's why I'm here.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  And I know the game. You know, they have needles they insert in people that give them fast-moving cancer. You can do that to me. But it's not gonna... No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both worked for the CIA. One was threatened. I was working with him when he died. But that's not right in America.

• 1:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that because I had such a good conversation with them. I said, "Do you mind coming back a month later?" Months later, Rob tells me he passed away.

• 1:37Speaker 04

  When I came back from Afghanistan, I want to talk about able danger. I was immediately suspended. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them.

• 1:47Speaker 03

  Two of the terrorists on 9/11 were on the payroll of the CIA at the time. Now, look, I'm not accusing anybody. All I'm telling you is, stop this bullshit. This is America. Let the people know the truth.

• 2:01Patrick Bet-David?

  He was in the middle of all of this.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  All I can tell you is, one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden.

• 2:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Unbelievable.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  And he said, "Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you."

• 2:15Speaker 05

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 2:23Speaker 05

  You are a one of one? My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 2:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so we got a special show here today in regards to 9/11. A lot of people are saying, "Why are you doing this?" Because the last five years, the only strike we ever got on YouTube the last five, four and a half years was when we interviewed Richard Gates. So there's a, there's a risk to having this conversation, but we have a, you know, a lineup of people that are qualified to talk about this. Kurt Walden, the younger generation knows Julian Assange and they know Snowden. But prior to them, the, the main guy, I would say, a lot of people who would say that, including even, you know, a couple of presidents, but one of them being Biden, there's a clip of him being very complimentary of you when you guys went to Iraq together on Memorial Day, we have that clip will play later on, was Kurt Walden. 20 years, you served in the Congress, former fire chief, you've been in that space, you

• 3:16Patrick Bet-David?

  were very vocal about 9/11 and from there, there's been a lot of different conversations about it, so it's great to have you here. And then also, Tony Schaefer, Tony Schaefer, retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, Defense Intelligence Agency Officer, key liaison for ABLE Danger connection to 9/11. He went public in 2005 as a whistleblower stating that ABLE Danger had identified Mohammed Attar and three other 9/11 hijackers in 2000, but attempts to pass the information to FBI were blocked by military lawyers. We'll talk about that today. Yes, sir. Thank you for your service, great to have you here. And then Eric, former US Army Major and Intelligence Officer as well, connected to 9/11 ABLE Danger. He was tasked with overseeing data mining and charting operations at land information

• 3:59Patrick Bet-David?

  warfare activity and worked closely with ABLE Danger team. He testified before Congress that he was ordered to destroy the two and a half terabytes that we've all read about. We've seen this. Right. The two and a half terabytes of data, including references to terrorist cells due to concerns over legality of holding information on US persons. Is it fair to say this is the first time you guys are doing the show together live? Yes, absolutely. Okay, fantastic. So, look, we have a lot of topics to go through.

• 4:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And we'll put the link below, Rob, to this presidential commission on 9/11. We've, we had a commission before, but it wasn't a presidential commission. So President Trump could ideally do a presidential commission. If he chose to want to go a little bit deeper to find out what happens here. The link to the information is going to be here for everybody to want to go get it. You can get the PDF and read through it. But I'm a business guy. So I got a business question for you and I'm going to start off with you and we can go any direction you want to go. As a business guy, when you run a company and you're managing risk and where resources go, things happen and your team will come up to you. Let me tell what just happened, compliance, da, da, da, da, da. Here's what we're facing. These guys could take, you know, 30 million dollars of business away from us. If, if we do this, the risk here is 30,000 dollars. If we do this here, okay.

• 5:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So whatever's the biggest risk, that's the biggest damage to the company. You give the most resources, lawyers, research, forensic to go investigate, right? That's business. I'm thinking from a business lens. But for me, the part out of everything that we got on 9/11 commission, and there's a lot of them. Monica Lewinsky, okay? When you look at what happened in, you know, January 17, 1998, January 26 is when he said, "I did have relations with Monica Lewinsky." They spent 30 million dollars to investigate this incident that happened. The three-year relationship between Monica Lewinsky and the President Clinton at the time. Nobody died. No one was physically hurt. Matter of fact, people probably got healthier because of the three years or whatever happened.

• 6:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, but it's not like somebody got hurt because of it. 30 million there. 9/11 happens. 2,977 people die. That leads to a war that taxpayers spend roughly 8 trillion dollars. War on terror due to 9/11. Outside of the 2977 that died, there's another 4,500 people that died due to effects of it afterwards. And this is documented. We can read it everywhere. So for Monica Lewinsky, we spent 30 million dollars.

• 6:41Patrick Bet-David?

  For 9/11, the biggest event that cost the most American lives ever, more than Pearl Harbor, because that's 2403, 2097, why do we only spend $15 million to investigate that? And only spend $30 million for Lewinsky and nobody died here? Why do you think that is?

• 7:02Speaker 03

  Well, after serving in Congress for 20 years and representing all the firefighters at the same time, I can tell you the reason. It's because the deep state was heavily involved in the 9/11 cover-up. And the deep state didn't want the information out about the truth. The deep state's experts, according to the spin that they accuse other people of doing. And the deep state, when 9/11 happened, diverted all of our attention to Al Qaeda, to the need to send our troops overseas. I took that very seriously. Then I found out that Bin Laden wasn't even in Afghanistan. That's another topic we can talk about. But the deep state controlled the spin. The media played right into the deep state. Now, let me tell you, five years ago, I had a private meeting with Seymour Hersh. You know who Seymour Hersh is? The number one investigative reporter in the country.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Dennis Kucinich, a liberal Democrat, asked me to meet with him. Seymour Hersh said to me, Congressman, you have one hell of a story. I said, "You have no permission to publish anything right now after what they did to my family." He said, "Okay, let's meet four months from now." We met four months later. And he said, "I have verified every fact and detail you told me. Brennan and Clapper wanted you not to assume the role of chairman of the Armed Services Committee. They went to Mueller and asked Mueller to do a favor and disrupt your election." It was all about keeping me from becoming chairman to have unlimited subpoena power to ask the questions that you're going to ask today, to give the American people the answers to what happened. What do we know before 9/11? What happened at 9/11? And what do we do with Bin Laden after 9/11? This whole thing, in answer to your risk management question,

• 8:29Speaker 03

  was controlled by the deep state.

• 8:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was the deep state in 01?

• 8:33Speaker 03

  I can't push to any one person, but I would tell you that Brennan and Clapper were in the middle of all of this, as the leaders of the agency.

• 8:42Patrick Bet-David?

  He was in the middle of all of this.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  Well, I can't, again, I only talk about what I can take a polygraph and take a lie detector test over. All I can tell you is, what I was told is by Seymour Hersh, that Brennan and Clapper did not want me to assume the chairmanship, both parties. My party, Republican, three weeks before my election, they ordered a raid on my daughter's house, and listen carefully, they raided my daughter's house and never talked to my daughter. Never, ever, no one, ever. They carried boxes out of her home, with TV cameras from across the country there, FBI agents sent from DC. This is long before Donald Trump. Donald Trump wasn't even around in 2006.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  They raided my daughter's house, carried boxes out, never talked to her, ever, no one. The same day they did that, they raided a lawyer's house, right near my home. The lawyer at the time was working FBI counterintelligence against Russia that I had arranged two years earlier. When the agents from DC arrived in his office, the counter intel agents were already sitting in his office. So he had two sets of office, and his agents in his office at the same time. And when they found out from DC, the first question was, "Well, Mr. Gallagher, aren't you related to Congressman Kurt Weldon?" And Gallagher started laughing at them, because my wife's maiden name is Gallagher. They had been given bad information, and I know who gave them the bad information. There's no relationship. They apologized to Gallagher.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  But they did want a file he had, and I'm going to tell you what that file contains. It contains information about our top spy in the Russian Far East named Douglas Kent. John Gallagher took the case because a 20-year-old Russian child named Alexander Koshin was broadsided by a drunken State Department employee in Vladivostok.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  That kid became a quadriplegic, but he had relatives in Philadelphia. They contacted John Gallagher, asked him to take the case. He took it pro bono. No money involved. I helped him. John, as a file, six inches thick, that's what they wanted, because when that person, that senior State Department official, who was our top CIA agent in the Russian Far East Douglas Kent, when he was hired by the CIA, he was the vice chairman of the American Nazi Party. And there are photographs of him in a uniform, in a Nazi uniform, when he was hired by the CIA. That's what they wanted. Had nothing to do with me. But they ruined my daughter's life and career to stop me from becoming chairman. And in 2000, both Donald Rumsfeld and the number two leader in the Defense Department,

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hameroy, wrote one-page letters endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. And three months after they ruined my election, George H. W. Bush, the former head of the CIA, did a public tribute to me, which I sent to your staff. You complained on your show in front of one, 2,000 people in Washington. George H. W. Bush, the former head of the CIA, said, Congressman Weldon, you're the kind of leader, leader that America needs. A leader that leaves America stronger.

• 11:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He's saying this?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  You have the tape?

• 11:54Patrick Bet-David?

  This is in 2005?

• 11:57Speaker 03

  No, this is in 2007.

• 11:58Patrick Bet-David?

  2007.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  Three months after that, I did my election, my career. After his son, the son, who had no clue, the people around him were running this show, not, not, not the, not George Bush. I'm convinced of that. It was the people around Bush.

• 12:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So you, so, okay, so indirectly, from listening to you, I don't hear that you're saying George W. Bush was part of deep state?

• 12:21Speaker 03

  I don't think he knew about it. I, I, I don't have the highest respect for him. He's not the brightest star in the sky, but I don't think he did it. I think it was a combination of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, that group of people, and the intelligence agencies.

• 12:34Patrick Bet-David?

  That group of people.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  What, what Cy Hurst told me, he said they could never raid the vice chairman of both the Defense Committee and the Homeland Security Committee, which I was.

• 12:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  Three weeks prior to an election, unless the White House approved it.

• 12:49Speaker 03

  Three weeks prior to my election, the White House approved the Department of Justice raiding my daughter's house, and they never talked to her. And then three months later, George H. W. Bush does the tribute in front of 2,000 leaders in Washington. And I would just encourage you, Patrick, to play that for your viewers, to listen to what George H. W. Bush says about my career and the legacy that I left for the country.

• 13:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, do we have that clip? I will grab it. So was that, is that on YouTube? Is that something I can be found?

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, they tried to take it down. Four years, five years ago, they tried to take it down. I got active. Now it's all over the place. There are thousands of hits. They can get it all over. It's George H. W. Bush sitting in a chair, and he's never done this before for any other member that I know of, giving a public tribute to me.

• 13:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I have it. I have it, Rob. I'll send it to you. He's sitting in a chair. It's not a...

• 13:41Speaker 03

  It's in front of 10, 2,000 leaders in Washington, including members of the House and the Senate.

• 13:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go forward, Rob. Is this the one you're talking about?

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• 14:54Speaker 07

  Good evening, all of you.

• 14:55Patrick Bet-David?

  This one?

• 14:55Speaker 07

  In 1989, I had the honor of addressing this audience at the first annual National Fire and Emergency Services Dinner. I can recall looking out at the audience and seeing over 2,000 fire service leaders. It was an impressive sight, to say the least. And now, as President of the United States, I naturally assumed that the audience was there to hear me speak. But the following year, you packed the ballroom again, as you've done year after year. Why? Not so much to hear from Presidents or Vice Presidents, but to hear from your leader of the past 20 years, Kurt Weldon. You often heard Kurt speak of the fire service as the sleeping giant. When I was President,

• 15:38Speaker 07

  if it appeared that I wasn't giving proper attention to your issues, I could always be assured of a phone call from Kurt. I am sure the other Presidents would all say the same. To his credit, the fire service was never a partisan issue. It was a personal issue, based on his own experience as a volunteer firefighter. He's the reason why both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue have heard the fire service's voice and answered so many of your calls. He's the reason why you, the Fire and Emergency Services, was awakened 20 years ago and has become such a political force in our nation's capital. It's the goal of every political leader who is blessed with the opportunity to serve the public,

• 16:22Speaker 07

  to leave behind a legacy. A legacy that in some way makes our nation stronger, better, and safer. Kurt, you've done just that through your dedication and your commitment to our nation's 1,000 first-

• 16:37Patrick Bet-David?

  This is, this is, some would say, he was the deep state.

• 16:43Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of people would say he's deep state director of CIA so for former director of CIA and becomes president VP a lot of uh uh uh things that he's done so for him to say that he's saying that in 2007.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Yes, three months after they ended my career.

• 16:58Patrick Bet-David?

  When did you blow the whistle?

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Oh, I blew the whistle all during my time in Congress, but especially on 9/11.

• 17:04Patrick Bet-David?

  June 19th, 05, is that pretty accurate?

• 17:07Speaker 03

  I published a book here in 2005 where I took on the CIA but but I George Bush knew I supported a lot of the things he did especially in in that's why so.

• 17:17Patrick Bet-David?

  But the reason why I'm asking this question is the timing sequencing is what I'm trying to find out so 9/11, 01.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 17:24Patrick Bet-David?

  You blow the whistle in 05.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  No, I blew the whistle starting immediately not 05 was when the report came out.

• 17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  When did you get public about it?

• 17:33Speaker 03

  Oh, right away.

• 17:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Like how right away?

• 17:35Speaker 03

  Uh, I gave as soon as they took Tony Schaefer out, I started harassing the DIA said this is a scandal bigger than Watergate.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, DOD overall.

• 17:45Patrick Bet-David?

  The DOD overall.

• 17:46Speaker 04

  It wasn't just DI but we can cover that in a bit.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  So I was I took on the system saying this is wrong.

• 17:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So if if the if the deep state, he is one of the pillars of the deep state.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you're saying oh, yeah, so he is one of the pillars of deep state. There is no way in the world if the five of us that are running deep state are talking to each other and we're like, look, you can endorse him like that, no way in a million years should you do that. George, think about it, don't do it, don't endorse him that way.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  I'm sure they told him that.

• 18:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so then there's another clip from another president who wasn't a president at the time Biden, Rob, if you have that clip, President Biden at the time also in this hearing that's taking place, he goes for a few minutes, but I'll just play for the clip for the first two minutes. Here's President Biden, he talks about how much of a staunch Republican you are, this is this is about 9/11, when is this taking place, by the way, with you being there? You when is this?

• 18:39Speaker 08

  2005, I believe.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  This is September 2005, the first testimony in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

• 18:45Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the first testimony in front of the judicial?

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Correct, the Senate.

• 18:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's let's hear this one here, Rob, if you don't mind, go for it.

• 18:53Speaker 09

  For two reasons. One, my high regard for the congressman. He's, over the years, in the last nine months, shared information with me. Some of it seemed prescient, and it turns out that a number of the things he said have been, I was unaware of, have turned out to be the case. And I thought this morning we were going to be able to get to the bottom of some of this.

• 19:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Only a couple people didn't show up.

• 19:18Speaker 09

  I know, as you know better than I do, I was not permitted to testify. That the congressman is a- I was there.

• 19:24Patrick Bet-David?

  You were there.

• 19:25Speaker 09

  A loyal American, but a very-

• 19:27Patrick Bet-David?

  But they didn't, let me keep going, Rob, because I want to see this.

• 19:29Speaker 09

  A staunch Republican.

• 19:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to go to Cameron Kirk, because he still hasn't said the name. I just want to see the face.

• 19:34Speaker 09

  Has no political agenda here, other than trying to figure out what we knew and didn't know, and why we didn't know it. And my staff indicates to me that representatives in the Department of Defense had confirmed that an internal investigation identified on five Able Danger Team members who claimed they either seen a picture of Otto or had seen his name in the chart prepared in 99 by the Able Danger Team. And the Defense investigation found these sources to be credible, but didn't uncover the chart itself. Defense officials have said that documents associated with the project

• 20:18Speaker 09

  have been destroyed in accordance with regulations regarding collection, dissemination, and destruction procedures for intelligence gathering on people inside the United States. And so I thought we were going to get a chance to clear some of that up this morning. For the life of me, I don't understand why,

• 20:35Patrick Bet-David?

  This is very weird.

• 20:36Speaker 09

  As I understand it, I stand corrected if I'm wrong, but I understand the witnesses we assumed we were going to get to hear from, from the Defense Department, have been pulled.

• 20:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You were one of the ones that-

• 20:46Speaker 09

  That's correct. They cannot testify.

• 20:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And to be fair, you and him, you can pause it right here. You and him traveled together on Memorial Day to Iraq.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Joe has traveled with me, he went to Libya with me. I took the first delegation to Libya in 25 years. Joe went with me on my second trip when I spoke to Libyan people. Joe spoke after I did. Joe and I grew up one mile apart. My son graduated with Joe's daughter.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  And when my son died, partly because of what they did to me, Joe drove three hours as vice president and stood in line at the funeral to console my family. And when I lost my election in November of 06, one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden.

• 21:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Unbelievable.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  And he said, Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you. The other person that called me was Steny Hoyer, top Democrat in the House. And he said, Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you. Both of them called me because they were friends of mine, still are friends of mine, even though I'm a Republican. Let me say one more thing. In 2000, people were pushing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. Donald Rumsfeld was the top leader on defense issues. He writes a one-page letter endorsing me for chairman. The top Democrat was the Deputy Secretary of Defense, John Hamery. He writes a one-page letter endorsing me. I have both letters I'll give you for your show. Endorsing me, but I would have had to have jumped over four other members, and we didn't

• 22:14Speaker 03

  do that back then. So I waited. I was next in line, but when not, and I would have become chairman had I been elected in 2006. That's what it was all about, stopping me from becoming chairman. But here's the thing you asked about, the hearing. I requested the hearings as the vice chairman of the Defense Committee and the Homeland Security Committee. And I went to Donald Rumsfeld, who would endorse me in 2000, and his assistant's name was Steve Cambone. And they said, no way, Congressman, we're not letting anyone from able danger testify. I said, oh, yes, you are. The American people need to hear this. And they said, no, we're not. I have a letter that I'll provide for you for your show that I produced, signed by 250

• 22:58Speaker 03

  members of Congress. There are only 435 members in the House.

• 23:03Patrick Bet-David?

  This is what year?

• 23:04Speaker 03

  It was, it was immediately after 9/11. It's the hearing that you're talking about where I testified.

• 23:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Two fifty?

• 23:11Speaker 03

  Two hundred and fifty members, I would say this to you right now, probably eight of those members that signed that letter are in the senate right now. People like Roger Wicker and Lindsey Graham and Shelley Moore Capita, they were all house members. Two hundred and fifty members of the house, signed the letter with me. People like Jack Murtha, people like Dick Army, senior leaders of both parties, saying we want this team to testify about what they knew. But the deep state didn't want them to testify. And Rumsfeld wouldn't let them testify. They sat in the audience, I testified at a public hearing, and I showed the charts that you have now. That's the first time those charts were ever shown. The whole thing is a cover-up.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  And that's why I'm here.

• 23:57Patrick Bet-David?

  But Kurt, so two fifty at the time were on your side to want to find out what's going on with nine eleven?

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Absolutely, I could've gotten more. I only had a couple there. Two hundred and fifty members of the house, I have all their signatures.

• 24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  So now, so now for, for, and gentlemen, I'm gonna come to you as well, I'm just trying to get this part, because I'm gonna come back and find out what they told you that you can't get in there, we still haven't find that out. So let me, let me ask this, so Joe Biden at the time, would you consider that Joe Biden, the eloquent speaker, the way he was speaking right there, being able to break things down, would you say he at the time was part of deep state?

• 24:28Speaker 03

  No, but, you know, he wasn't in a position of being the president where you have the ability to control the deep state. The leadership in the White House controls what the deep state does and who they are. And the only reason I talk after-

• 24:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait, say that one more time, who controls what deep state does?

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Well, the leadership in the White House.

• 24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So the president controls what the deep state does?

• 24:47Speaker 03

  And the only reason I talked after eighteen years?

• 24:49Patrick Bet-David?

  And then that's George Bush though.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  Because Donald Trump took on the fifty-one people when he denied their security clearances. They're the deep state. All of those 51 were involved in creating a false scenario about Russia and collusion with Trump.

• 25:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  And I figured, I'm gonna talk now that Trump's in. And look, my partners today are ex-federal judges, former heads of the FBI, and they all know my story. And a lot of military officers know my story, so they can't get away with knocking me off. And I know the game. You know, they have needles they insert in people that give them fast-moving cancer. They have ways that they get you out through accidents. You could do that to me.

• 25:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Come on.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  But it's not gonna... No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both worked for the CIA. One was threatened by a former top CIA official worldwide. My staffer from Florida, John Quirk, who was in charge of anti-money laundering, got a call from this senior CIA retiree. And he said to him, "Why are you helping Kurt Weldon?" And John Quirk said, "Because Kurt Weldon's a patriot." A year later, John Quirk died of a fast-moving stomach cancer. Now, I can't prove that they did it, but that's not right in America.

• 26:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that because we had one guy, only one guy I've had on the podcast that I had him on 30 days later, and it was Peter Pry.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  Peter Pry was my staffer.

• 26:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Peter Pry worked for me.

• 26:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Peter Pry wrote this book with me. Peter Pry was my person. I brought Peter from the CIA, after 10 years of analysis, to work for me. He was my person. Everything I did, I did with Peter Pry.

• 26:22Patrick Bet-David?

  He was the leading guy for EMPs.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  I wrote the EMP legislation. I credit the EMP commission that Peter headed up. Peter Pry was my person. I was working with him when he died.

• 26:32Patrick Bet-David?

  We had Peter Pry on the first time. He looked perfectly healthy.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  He was healthy.

• 26:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I had such a good conversation with him. I said, "Do you mind coming back a month later?" We had a second conversation with him. Months later, Rob tells me he passed away.

• 26:43Speaker 03

  The two of them died. They're both ex-CIA. Now, look, I'm not accusing anybody. All I'm telling you is... Stop this bullshit. This is America. Let the people know the truth. There are good people in intelligence, Patrick, I have to say that. I have good friends that do great work for our country. And I respect them. But there are scumbags that are sitting on big bank accounts that are making big money. And they're making it off the backs of dead soldiers and dead firefighters. I wear this jacket because Ray Downey, the chief of the fire department in New York, who got vaporized at nine eleven, gave it to me in ninety three. I will not stop until those three hundred and forty three firefighters that were vaporized

• 27:26Speaker 03

  are vindicated, along with the two thousand nine hundred and seventy seven other victims and the thousands more that died from our sending troops over to Afghanistan when Bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan. This madness has got to stop in this country. It's out of control.

• 27:42Patrick Bet-David?

  And I want to get to that on where Bin Laden was when we're going back. And there's a whole story with that as well. But if you don't mind, you know, Tony, for you, you're a lieutenant colonel, okay? One of my biggest heroes when I was in the military was a man named Lieutenant Colonel Peacock. He ended up being a general later on, but he was one of my favorite guys I ever worked under when I was at the Hundred First Airborne. Lieutenant Colonel is a very high ranking place to be. And you've seen a lot, you've talked a lot, you have a lot of things that happened. That day, then Senator Biden, today, ex-president Joe Biden, says five of them were not allowed to come on today.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  That's correct.

• 28:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You were one of the five.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  I was.

• 28:20Patrick Bet-David?

  What were you told that first you were invited? Who invited you? And then what did they say that you can't come on?

• 28:26Speaker 04

  Well, let me give a little bit of background for context. So being a lieutenant colonel is a bit of a misnomer. That was a part of my cover that happened during the time I was outed by DIA. I'm in something called the Military Intelligence Accepted Career Program, ISAP. We go back and forth between being civilians. I'm also retired GS fourteen. You can look it up. This is unclassified, but I'm just saying. So what happened was, Pat, is that when I came back from Afghanistan, after I disclosed my role in the Able Danger operation, I was immediately suspended by Defense Intelligence.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  Over nonsense, over-

• 29:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Who suspended you?

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Uh, the Defense Intelligence Agency. This was in, uh, the beginning of 2004.

• 29:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was the shot caller that did that? Uh- Who called the shot?

• 29:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, um, Major General, I'll think of his name in a second, and, uh, he was a Marine Corps general. I'll, I'll think of it in a second.

• 29:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Two-star general?

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Two-star general.

• 29:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  He was the, the, the, the DO, the Director of Operations, and at the time, the, the Director was Admiral Jacoby. And, um, when I got suspended, I had some time on my hands, because nobody knew what was going on. There, there was three nonsensical allegations, which, by the way, the Army resolved in my favor, and I got promoted to Lieutenant Colonel. You don't get promoted if you have standing at potential adverse actions over you. So the Army saw them, it's like, congratulations, you're being promoted. Defense Intelligence used the three same allegations to suspend my clearance and get me fired. Just saying how wacky that is. And think about that from a business perspective.

• 30:11Speaker 04

  You're looking at facts, and Army says, "Yeah, this is not nonsense." Defense Intelligence, who I have the issue with, suspend me and fire me.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  Over the same allegations. Think about that. We can go through them in greater detail at some point.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  But Tony, you have to tell the story as to what you were done in Afghanistan when Mueller came through.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  Well, I'm, I'm saying, so, so-

• 30:31Speaker 03

  You have to explain that.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  So, um, Zelikow-

• 30:35Speaker 03

  I mean, Zelikow.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Zelikow, uh, had met with me in Afghanistan-

• 30:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Philip Zelikow?

• 30:41Speaker 04

  Philip Zelikow.

• 30:42Patrick Bet-David?

  And who is he?

• 30:43Speaker 04

  He is the Staff Director of the 9/11 Commission. Kurt mentioned him earlier.

• 30:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  So, and, and when I was undercover, again, this is, this is a bit complicated. When I was undercover, in alias, in Afghanistan, being the Director of Operations for the clandestine operations in Afghanistan in 2003, is when Zelikow came through, Bagram, and he was part of the 9/11 Commission, he and several staffers came through. And their task, this is the 9/11 Commission task, was to do research on, uh, events before, the day of, and after the 9/11 attacks. They basically wanted to talk to people with firsthand anecdotal information. So I raised my hand. It's like, "Hey, um, they've probably already heard of this, but I want to talk about able danger."

• 31:34Speaker 04

  And that's, this was October of 2003. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them. Able Danger was an entrepreneurial concept that was created for the, for the purposes of targeting a non-geographic target, Al Qaeda. You had Eric Prince on a year ago. Eric's concepts, I love Eric, I consider us friends, I hope so. He believes in entrepreneurial concepts. We did that internally. We were trying to figure out the best and brightest way to go after Al Qaeda in 1999. This is a PMC model? It's, it actually is a PMC model. It is a private military contract. I've talked to him about it.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  Okay, got it. So what we did is that, as a reservist, I know you're gonna laugh at this, as a, a major, I was down in Tampa. And the DIA rep, Al Downs, said, "Go talk..." This is a major reservist going to brief the commanding general, Pete Schoolmaker, on my, on my civilian mission. Pete Schoolmaker? Pete Schoolmaker. General Pete Schoolmaker, who was commander of Special Operations Command in 1999 to 2000. There he is. So imagine if you will, when people have a hard time wrapping their mind around this, a little old reservist major goes in to brief the commanding general of SOCOM on what I do in my, my civilian DIA job.

• 33:02Speaker 04

  Out of that meeting, Pat, General Schoolmaker says, "I get him right into Able Danger." And I had no idea what that was. So the next day, I think this was August of 1999, I'm brought down into a secure, yeah, you, you guys have your, your thing in a bank vault. Well, SKIFs are like bank vaults, they're secure facilities within secure facilities. I go down and I'm introduced by, to Captain Scott Philpott, who's in a lieutenant commander, or commander, and I'm given this big old binder. The binder's about, how about five inches thick? He says, "There you go." And I start reading it. Scott. Scott Philpott. Okay.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  And I start reading it, and it is like the e-ticket to Disneyland. "We're going downtown to go after Al Qaeda." This is a sweet, this is a concept to go and, and conduct offensive, offensive operations against the growing threat. Remember you talked about the value judgment of, of what you invest in? We'd already been hit twice in Africa from Al Qaeda. And there, there was a recognition that that was a growing threat. So secretly, General Hugh Shelton, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, you can bring him up. Hugh Shelton was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in 99, had tasked Pete Schoolmaker with Able Danger. Able Danger was a, a campaign plan.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  You're a business guy, so you guys do campaigns, right? Figure out resources, you figure out objectives, you assign them, you assign resources to tasks to potential outcomes. That's what Able Danger was. It was all an entrepreneurial concept. Interesting. That, yes. So Pete. When did Able Danger start? 99? 99. Late 99. So it has nothing to do with 9/11? No, well, it gets there. Let me get you there. So Able Danger was the offensive concept off the books. Remember, you see in the movies all the time, the euphemism of off the books. We were an off the books operation.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  But if I'm not mistaken, it was under, it was under Eric Kleinsmith's.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  No, no, no, I'll get to Eric. I'll get to Eric. Eric had no idea. As a matter of fact, he's never been in ready in everything we did. So my, so I'm right into the project, and my job is to develop access for purposes of weaponized technology. This, again, think offensively. This is before 9/11, and we're tasked to go kill Al Qaeda before 9/11. Think about the, now, this is the problem with the whole thing we're talking about.

• 35:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Prevent, preventative measures?

• 35:34Speaker 04

  Bingo. Yes. This is, this is why they want to distract with the chart constantly, Pat. We, this is why they were upset with me testifying. You remember the Israeli op, the pager op, Pat?

• 35:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm, of course.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  They weren't the first ones to think about that, just saying. I have to be careful about where I'm going, because we have, I'm still trying to get permission from the Pentagon to talk about my role. My role in Able Danger, to this day, has never been disclosed. I've been said to be the coordinator. I've been a reservist. My role was so highly classified, he probably remembers this, I was waived, in closed hearings with Kurt, I was waived off by the Staff Director of the House Armed Services Committee because I couldn't talk about my role. He was literally in the back of the room saying, "Don't say that. You can't say that." So to this day, they've, we have never talked about, and I'm still trying to get permission to talk about it. Anyway, suffice it to say, that what I was doing in my civilian job was what we wanted to introduce to the Able Danger operation

• 36:33Speaker 04

  as one of the offensive options. And this is the key. This wasn't about waiting till something happened. This was about us, Pete Skoomaker, putting together a team, the best and the brightest, to put together options for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Hugh Shelton, to go do something before 9/11. And those, that was the whole project. That was the concept. This, the idea was, Pat, we knew they were coming, we put together a team that would be invested in doing things that have never been done before. And oh, by the way, how do you target something that's never been targeted? How do you do something relating to a non-geographic target, a, a transnational target? Data mining. At the time, nobody knew about it. Remember, this is 99, this is before anybody understood the

• 37:18Speaker 04

  power of the internet. So, when I'm tasked to fit, to help them figure out, how do we go about targeting all of the ranch? Pete Skoomaker called it the ranch, the Special Operations Command ranch. That includes the secret ARBEAM of Northern Virginia, Delta, you know, Rangers. It's the options that were available for us to do something. And oh, by the way, the other thing, key about this, this was, Able Danger was the first time Special Operations Command was ever at the supported sync. This is important because that means they were the lead. They were the ones asking the other regional things to help them. It was huge. This was groundbreaking.

• 37:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I just pulled up and I asked, what was the original purpose of Able Danger? Mission objective, number one, map Al Qaeda's global network. The team used open source intelligence, public records, website news, and advanced data analysis to tools to construct link charts of suspected terrorists and their connections. Number two, identify terrorist cells in the US. Able Danger reportedly flagged individuals later tied to 9/11, including Mohammed Atta, based on behavior patterns, travel records, and communication metadata. Number three, provide operational intelligence to military planners. The goal was to preemptively disrupt terror plots through actionable intelligence passed to agencies like the FBI and the CIA.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  That's it. So, so I got this task and it's like, what do I do? I knew LeWah was experimenting with data mining. And I'll let Eric Talk take over here because we had no way to map Al Qaeda. So, this is a long way to answering your question, I know, Pat, but you need to understand the picture of what got us into the room.

• 38:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I guess what I want to know is, who told you you can't be in the hearing? Who called and said you're out?

• 38:59Speaker 04

  The Senate. So, DOD leadership, Army leadership said, you can't go in. Well, the Senate's the one that...

• 39:06Patrick Bet-David?

  How far before, how far before the hearing did they say that? An hour before, a day before?

• 39:10Speaker 04

  That, that morning.

• 39:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That morning?

• 39:11Speaker 04

  I was in, you can pull up pictures of the hearing. I'm in uniform, standing right next to the chart, right next to the charts. There, right, if you, if you, if you bring up, if you Google Able Danger Senate Hearing 2005, it should come up with a number of time life pictures that show all of us together. Where I'm in the back row next to JD Smith, who's gonna become, yeah, here we go. Right there. See, I'm right there.

• 39:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I see you.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  And there's Russ Queso, there's Kurt, there's JD Smith, and I think you're there somewhere, right? I'm hidden behind one of the maps. So, so, so we were going to lay out, everything I'm laying out to you right now, we were going to lay out in great detail, and so this is where, to answer your question, what I was going to do is build the case of why, and by the way, Pat, one key thing to remember, we weren't supposed to find what we found, we were off the books, we were looking at Al Qaeda from a fresh perspective, none of us were experts on, on, on this issue. I would argue that we became a dangling participle, an inconvenient organization that saw what the deep state was doing, and that's why they came after us.

• 40:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Did any one of you at the time have a relationship with the president, President Trump, currently, uh, president?

• 40:19Speaker 04

  No. No.

• 40:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you have a relationship?

• 40:21Speaker 04

  No, not till later.

• 40:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Before, before you show anything, the only reason I'm sharing this is, Rob, do you have a clip of President Trump on Morning Joe Scarborough, I don't know if you guys have seen this or not, Morning Joe is doing a show, and they're talking about a book that he wrote that came 19 months before 9/11, and just listen to Morning Joe's reaction to this, go for it.

• 40:39Speaker 10

  BuzzFeed dug up an old quote from Donald Trump, talking about a large-scale terror attack 19 months before 9/11. In his 2000 book, "The America We Deserve," Trump wrote, "I really am convinced we're in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the 1993 Trade Center look like little kids playing with firecrackers." Trump also mentioned the mastermind of the attack, writing, quote, "One day, we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one, and US jet fighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under

• 41:18Speaker 10

  some rock, and a few news cycles later, it's on to a new enemy and a new crisis."

• 41:26Speaker 11

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, okay, hold on a second, is this really Trump before 9/11? Have you read this? It's 2000 in his book. Are we making, did you make this up, Mika?

• 41:36Speaker 10

  Nick.

• 41:37Speaker 11

  I did. Did you make this up?

• 41:38Speaker 10

  Nick, tell us it's over, right?

• 41:40Speaker 11

  Will you stop?

• 41:41Speaker 10

  You're wrong about everything.

• 41:42Speaker 11

  Mika, stop, guys. I don't think it's over. What's that, what's the range?

• 41:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So, this is real, Rob.

• 41:46Speaker 10

  No, it's cute, I think it's cute.

• 41:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So, what do you think about the fact, Robbie Kimpos, what do you think about the fact that the president said this 19 months before 9/11?

• 41:53Speaker 04

  I think wise people understood what was forming, because we were told by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to go look at this. And one of the notable things about this, now, full disclosure, I know President Trump, I was the National Security Advisor to the Trump 2020 campaign, so I do have, you know, and I did meet him way later, in 20, I think, 15, but I think he had a sense, like many of us, that something was brewing. And, and, and to continue your point, to answer your question, when I was the coordinator of trying to pull the team together, behind the scenes, I took the Able Danger Team to land information warfare activity at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, and that's where Eric comes into it.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  They were doing an extraordinary job of, again, look at the timeframe, 99, 98, 99, 2000. Pat, nobody knew the power of big data, and so we were the first operational unit to actually use a combination of open source, closed source. Part of my job was to actually combine the top secret piece, one of my deputies, Theresa McSwain, Lieutenant Colonel McSwain, brought the NSA database down to Garland, Texas, to combine them together, to do this overall targeting, to combine, you know, basically combine things. This was a major effort. And, again, before I let Eric, one second, before I turn it over to Eric, remember, we're talking about a massive investment of resources, as you, as a businessman would recognize as

• 43:17Speaker 04

  a priority, yet somehow, they, they, they reduced it down to a map, of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did, because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and push us away.

• 43:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so now, Eric, were you coming here as an Army Major, intelligence officer, you're the one that was at, you testified before Congress, and were ordered to destroy two and a half terabytes of data.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So you know exactly what's in that data.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  It, it was, well, yes and no, because before the destruction, we were giving a cease and desist order down through DOD, to stop what you're doing, because you're violating intelligence oversight rules on how you collected that information.

• 43:57Speaker 08

  Which is not true.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  Well.

• 43:59Speaker 08

  There was no violation.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Right, right. There, one of the problems that...

• 44:02Speaker 08

  Yeah, that was me, a much younger me.

• 44:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Nice time.

• 44:06Speaker 08

  But what you, what we've, what we learned, again, we were running several different operations. This was a very young organization. It was only, I think, two years old by the time this started up. I was the first military chief of the intelligence branch. So it was an operational unit designed to help the Army or support the Army in fighting information warfare, information operations, psychological deception, operational security, that kind of thing. So we had operational teams, but I had a 24-person intel branch within that group. And we were getting, because of the power that we were given with these new data mining tools, and I'm telling you, they were bleeding edge.

• 44:49Speaker 08

  We were doing a lot of things that, we were making mistakes along the way. I got called in one morning because apparently I had conducted a denial-of-service attack against DIA, and then now NGA, their proxy server, shut the whole thing down. Only because we were training a harvesting tool to pick up different information, and it hit DIA on a classified network and started harvesting the entire agency. And so, you know, denial of service, they shut the whole thing down. So I got blamed, you know, I got called down on the carpet for that one morning. That's what I mean, that like the types of technology we were trying to wrestle with and figure out. Once we had gotten those down, and it was a great combination of the data that we were

• 45:34Speaker 08

  bringing in, the tools that we're using, but also, more importantly, the people and the processes that we had put in place and the folks that I was, that I had assigned to different tasks. We had first done an operation using data mining to show Department of Defense how our technology was being stolen, specifically by China and some other countries. And we were able to map it out by using a single technology as a sample. That became a firestorm because it was, it had gotten leaked that we were doing this work. We received a subpoena from Congressman Dan Burton that he wanted all that information. So we spent a weekend making 30,000 copies to deliver it by, you know, a data set on paper to do that.

• 46:17Speaker 08

  But that got us on the map, and that's why Tony came to see us.

• 46:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this anywhere? Is this 2.5 terabytes anywhere right now? Does anybody have access to this right now?

• 46:25Speaker 08

  No, and here's...

• 46:27Patrick Bet-David?

  100% no one has it?

• 46:28Speaker 08

  No.

• 46:29Speaker 04

  I think it may, I think it may exist.

• 46:31Speaker 08

  Here's the rub, because it was myself and one of my warrant officers, warrant officer analysts who was on the team. We had to have a deep discussion, because we were told, you know, if you're collecting information that has information about US persons from an intelligence standpoint. I mean, they beat this regulation into your head every year as a requirement. So we were warned. Oh, by the way, all this stuff that you had collected, and it wasn't just one chart, it was dozens of charts. We had dozens of connections. We had cells in northern Africa, we had cells in the Middle East, we had cells in the Far East, and then we started seeing cells pop up within the US. My hometown of Plymouth, Michigan popped up as a potential operation, a front organization

• 47:16Speaker 08

  that was using my little hometown outside of Detroit to funnel money into the organization. So it was more than just operatives.

• 47:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Which organization? Al Qaeda.

• 47:24Speaker 08

  So it wasn't just operatives, it was an entire support and sympathetic footprint.

• 47:28Patrick Bet-David?

  But is there enough information here where you know who was behind 9/11?

• 47:33Speaker 04

  Well, can I add something real quick?

• 47:35Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  We had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of individuals of interest via mosques, all the mosques. Elyandra Mogaliner.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  She did a three-hour interview for my oral history, which has never been released. I'm the only one that has the interview.

• 47:54Speaker 04

  And the DOD IG interviewed her, and then it basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via Orion Scientific, as the source, detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data, it was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque level, which makes it hugely controversial. You and I can agree that the whole issue...

• 48:20Speaker 03

  Pat, there's a bigger story here. The bigger story in the Congress is that I was funding their program as the chairman of the R and D Subcommittee. I would go down to Fort Belvoir, because all the services were standing up information dominant centers. The Air Force, the Navy, and the Army, the Army to the Fort Belvoir. I was impressed with what they were doing. They were using software like Starlight and Spires and others that no one else was using. John Hamery was the Deputy Secretary of Defense. I suggested, John, you go down and see what your people are doing. He went down. They'll tell you, he went down because of me. He looked at it and he called me and said, Mr. Chairman, you're absolutely right. We need this capability. Far beyond what the Army is using it for, we need this capability.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  I proposed establishing a data fusion center that would not just be for the Army or DOD. It would be for the entire government. So John Hamery suggested to me, Congressman, I will support and manage it either at the White House or at the Pentagon. But you've got to convince the FBI and the CIA to allow us to use their raw data because of the big behemoths. There are 33 classified systems. So on November the 4th of 1999, a date I'll never forget, I had John Hamery in my office. I had the Deputy Director of the FBI, the Deputy Director of the CIA, and I handed them a proposal to create the NOAA, National Operations Analysis Hub, policymaker and warfighters tool to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats. I didn't write that.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Friends in Intel wrote it for me. John Hamery said, it's a great idea. We need it. I'll manage it. I said, I'll get it funded. The FBI said, it's great. We'll support it. And the CIA said, we don't want it. We're doing something called CI-21. The big question for 9/11 is, why did the CIA not want to be a part of a fusion center that the Deputy Secretary of Defense wanted? I was going to fund, FBI was supporting, two years before 9/11. The biggest criticism after 9/11 was the lack of fusion of intelligence data. That's what they were doing. And that recommendation was two years prior. And that recommendation was based on what these folks were doing. Eric, Tony, Eileen Price, Scott Philpott, and all the others, J.D.

• 50:29Speaker 03

  Smith, that were a part of the Able Danger Team. That's the big story. And he didn't know about us. I didn't know the details until 9/11. They brought the charts in, and I took them right to the White House. You don't know about Able Danger? I didn't get ready to the program. I didn't need to. I knew they were using software to do, you know... So you got, when's the first time you guys met?

• 50:48Speaker 04

  When I, oh, so, I was...

• 50:51Speaker 03

  I knew who they were. I was down there several days.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, you didn't, well, let me explain. So, we were under SOCOM. We were using the Army, and Eric can explain. The Army wanted to pull out, by the way. Army did not like the fact we were using their technology for our operations.

• 51:07Speaker 08

  So.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Why not? Why wouldn't they?

• 51:08Speaker 08

  Because, well.

• 51:10Speaker 04

  You want to explain that?

• 51:11Speaker 08

  Part of it is, when you're doing data mining, you're harvesting everything.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Including open source.

• 51:17Speaker 08

  Intelligence collectors are very restricted, I mean, on what we can collect it when the US persons comes up. But when a tool does it, it gets everything. And so you have to, you have to be able to go through that and excite all the information about US persons. This is a throwback from Vietnam days and Pike and Church Committee 75, that kind of stuff. So they wrote these regulations for intel collection, but they never updated them, well, again, because we were the first data mining operation.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  We weren't intelligence. I know this is going to sound weird. We were doing our effort under Title X. Title X is known as traditional military activities. That's why I went to Curt, as harm services, not intelligence, to ask for money for the Navy.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Well, you didn't come to me.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Yes, I did.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  No, you didn't. It was fun to get through.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  No, no, no. Later, later, later, later.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, later.

• 52:08Speaker 04

  I mean, so, so.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  And I plussed up their funding, wherever they wanted.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  So.

• 52:11Speaker 03

  But I didn't need to get right in. It wasn't until 9/11, I get these frantic phone calls on my cellphone, from him, from Eileen Price, from Scott Philpott, "We have to meet you right away."

• 52:20Speaker 04

  But.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  I meet with them on 9/11, and they roll out the charts. That's the first time I knew that they had identified all the Al Qaeda cells in advance of 9/11.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  That's when I found out. I took it right down to the White House, to Steve Hadley, I called Racist Deputy. I said, "I've got to see you right away." I said, he said, "We're under attack." I said, "I have to see you." I took Dan Burton with me. Dan Burton was chairman of the Oversight Committee, and I took Chris Hayes. I rolled out the charts. And Steve Hadley, Deputy National Security Advisor, said to me, "Where did you get these from?" I said, "Steve, I've been telling you since you came into office in January that this team was the cutting edge, the Clinton administration ignored it, you didn't take any action on it, and this is what developed by them."

• 53:00Speaker 04

  That's correct.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  And he said to me, "I've got to show this to the man." I said, "The man?"

• 53:04Speaker 04

  Who's the man at the time?

• 53:05Speaker 03

  The President, George Bush.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  He said, "I've got to show it to them." They took the charts. And in subsequent questions of Steve Hadley, he's acknowledged that I gave him charts, but he says, "I can't remember what those charts were." When I met with Seymour Hersh, Seymour Hersh told me, "Those charts are still on the hard drive at the NSA." That was five years ago. Hi, I'm Kurt Weldon, a teacher, firefighter, a father of five, family man, who spent 20 years in the Congress after serving as mayor and county chairman of my county in suburban Philadelphia. My intent is to give experiences and information and knowledge about the 104 countries that I led delegations to during my 20 years in the Congress, and all of the work that I did on behalf of America's firefighters and first responders traveling around the country.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  If you'd like to connect with me, connect on MINECT, and I will get back to you.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  So, my point, I'm trying to make, to underscore what Kurt is saying, we were an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit. Although we were intelligence officers, we were doing operations. It's called J3 versus J2. And that was one of the controversial points, because we didn't recognize the limits on US citizens, because we didn't have to. Traditional military activities, Title 10, is what George Washington did during the Continental Army, what they did. And so, that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is, Kurt funded the advanced technology that we, SOCOM, figured out how to get and use. That technology, then, used by Eric,

• 54:41Speaker 04

  put together the series of charts, which then became the basis for the plans we were using to go-

• 54:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Are those the charts?

• 54:50Speaker 04

  Those are some of the charts, yes.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  Those are the two primary charts.

• 54:54Patrick Bet-David?

  They're in the-

• 54:55Speaker 03

  They're the charts that I was given by them. The original charts went to Bush in the White House.

• 55:00Patrick Bet-David?

  So, what conclusion did you guys come up? Because we still haven't talked about it, right? What conclusion did you come up with?

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Here's the best example. Read this book. This is not them. Forget them. This is the book about one of our top military generals who was on horseback. He had like 9,000 soldiers under his command. And this book, Keith Labor- I've never met General Lambert. I may be, maybe. This book was a New York Times bestseller and a movie. On page 27, he's asked, "What were your thoughts when 9/11 happened?" And General Lambert says in his own words, you can read it. Within seconds, I knew who had done the attack. And it didn't involve Mohammed Atta. Because I had been briefed on a top secret army intelligence program. That's able danger. None of that's in the 9/11 commission report. And that proves that what they were doing identified Mohammed Atta.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  It basically calls everyone else a liar. Because General Lambert says it in his book that he knew within seconds Mohammed Atta was involved in 9/11. And Louis Freeh said afterwards that if he'd had the information, we could have prevented 9/11 from happening.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  By the way, he was one of the individuals that the IG, the DOD IG refused to interview. Why? You're a guy that has to make investments. If you have someone who's a principal actor in a company, uh, who has a major role, wouldn't you go and interview them before, uh, anything else to figure out what's going on? He was, Lambert was the chief of operations. And they refused, they DOD IG during the time that he asked them to investigate our claims, they refused to talk to Lambert. To this day.

• 56:38Speaker 08

  So, so on the evening of 9/11, we were all on the phone with each other because we knew it was coming. We had deep conversations the entire time we were running this operation, that we knew something was coming. So 9/11 happens, we're all talking to each other. And the watch phrase was, so it begins. We knew this was coming out. And that was, you know.

• 56:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You knew this was coming out?

• 56:59Speaker 08

  We knew it was coming.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  We were trying to.

• 57:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You knew 9/11 was gonna happen?

• 57:02Speaker 08

  We knew something, we knew something was coming. They were coming offensively and they'd already established a deep footprint.

• 57:09Patrick Bet-David?

  What were some of the things that you guys were speculating that could take place?

• 57:13Speaker 08

  Well.

• 57:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Was it 9/11? You wouldn't, you wouldn't sit there and say, guys, someone's about to attack World Trade Center. Was that it or was it?

• 57:19Speaker 08

  No.

• 57:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Someone's gonna attack White House, Pentagon? Did you guys have the 5, 10 targets that you thought they're gonna attack?

• 57:24Speaker 04

  We knew where the cells were at.

• 57:26Speaker 08

  Right.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  We knew where they physically were hanging out.

• 57:29Patrick Bet-David?

  And where were the cells?

• 57:31Speaker 04

  They had different clusters. One was New York, one was Maryland, and the other one was Florida, as I recall. And they were all clustered. We had individuals linked to the Al Qaeda leadership.

• 57:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Those are the top three?

• 57:42Speaker 04

  New Jersey. New Jersey.

• 57:43Patrick Bet-David?

  New York, New Jersey, DC.

• 57:46Speaker 08

  Florida.

• 57:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Florida.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  Let me add one more thing, Pat. One of the top FBI international leaders confirmed to me in writing. That two of the terrorists in the 9/11 attack were on the payroll of the CIA at the time.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  I'll repeat that again. Two of the terrorists on 9/11 were on the CIA payroll at the time. And after 9/11, there were between 40 and 50 employees that were reprimanded. Why has none of that been told to the American people? Why was none of that investigated by the 9/11 Commission? Why is this cover-up occurring when all of these, the biggest loss of life in American history on our soil? And it's like we're a bunch of 5th graders. It's outrageous.

• 58:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Has it been documented that they were on payroll? Like, because I know the internet is gonna say no. There is no evidence that the claim that the terrorists were on CIA payroll. While it's true that CIA had information on two of the hijackers, Nafal Al-Hazimi and Khalid Al-Midhar before the attacks, and there have been criticism of how the CIA handled the information, but there's no indication that they were

• 58:42Speaker 03

  Well, do you think the CIA is gonna come out and just tell that on the record without some congressional investigation? I mean, cut me a break.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  There's a, well, there's a, let me add something to the picture that we can't, I can't talk about in detail yet. I'm trying to, there's three things I'm trying to get declassified by the Pentagon right now. My specific role, enabled danger relating to what we're talking about, I still can't talk about it, believe it or not. The other thing is there's an investigative organization that's run by DOD that has found the link you're talking about here to the CIA guys. And they're, I'll let them speak for themselves. But they're, they're, they're working right now to, to get approval, to come public on what they have. And, and I've talked to their senior investigator, and he has said they have confirmed the link

• 59:27Speaker 04

  between Al-Midhar, has, has, has whatever his name, I'm terrible with names, to the CIA.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  The only solution is a new, not a new, a presidential commission to investigate everything about 9/11, and on that commission, no politicians, no members of Congress. It's gotta be people with integrity who are willing to take it to wherever it goes. Because we're only scratching the surface.

• 59:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me tell you what I did. Because, again, I, I wanna know When you think about stories like this, you go and the stuff that we know, what do we know? We hear the story about Larry Silverstein, right? We've all heard the story about the fact that he buys a massive insurance policy that in case two planes are, you know, attacked the plane, he gets two times the amount of whatever it is. And then he gets three and a half billion dollars. And the day that he always has breakfast on the World Trade Center, he doesn't end up having breakfast that day. And how much money paid out to him? When you pull up the number, it's public info, you can pull up-

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  Probably five billion, I think.

• 1:00:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I saw three and a half, 4.55. So Larry Silverstein leased the World Trade Center just six weeks before nine eleven, received a 4.55 billion dollar insurance payout following the destruction of the World Trade-

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  And added a clause for terrorism in the insurance policy.

• 1:00:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, insurance dispute nine eleven services argued that the two planes impact constituted two separate terrorist attacks, thus seeking doubling the policy limits courtroom the battle, the legal battle over whether the tax counted on one or two occurrences lasted years. In 2004, a jury ruled that some insurers had to pay double while others just paid one. Final payout 4.55 billion dollars.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Patrick Bet-David?

  That we know.

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  Huge money.

• 1:01:00Patrick Bet-David?

  That's strange, okay?

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  That doesn't include Building Seven either, right?

• 1:01:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That doesn't include Building Seven. The other thing that's strange is you talk about George Bush. You know, Epstein, when they go to his house, there's two paintings that they see there, right? The painting is the one with Bill Clinton in that blue dress, which is Monica Lewinsky's dress, saying, "I got you," or something like that. Then the other painting they see is, Rob, if you can go to the other one, which is kind of weird, is this one with President Bush right there. He's playing Jenga and they're down and he's holding one plane and the other one is already down. That's a weird painting. Who would have a painting like that in their house? That's a very strange painting, right?

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  I think it's a clue. I think it's a clue.

• 1:01:40Patrick Bet-David?

  What is what?

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  These people don't do this stuff without a reason. Think about that.

• 1:01:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it the clue or is it to say that I own the two of you? Is it Epstein's way of saying, "I own two of you," or is it just a clue?

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  Both, it could be both.

• 1:01:54Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm a, if I'm not a friend of Epstein, I'm like, what are you doing putting a painting like that on the wall when people are coming to your house, they're seeing a painting like that?

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  It could be, it's not mutually exclusive, it could be both. It could be true, a clue-

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  I don't think we should speculate about painting. I think we should focus on facts to get us a new commission.

• 1:02:07Patrick Bet-David?

  But all I'm saying is-

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  That's why people will say that this is not-

• 1:02:10Patrick Bet-David?

  But the part, but to the average person- This is either a very dark painting, which it is. This is either, you have two presidents who had the two biggest controversies during that time. Monica Lewinsky and 9/11, and you have a painting on the wall, and you're Epstein, and the claims about bribery and how much stuff you had on people. It's kind of weird. Let me continue a couple of days. So I went on ChatGPT and I asked the question, I said, "Tell me the strange facts in the 9/11 commission" that we all know about. Strange facts that they had in this big ass 9/11 commission that they had. I give you the 15 million versus 30 million. 15 million, they spent on 9/11, even though 2,977 people died and ended up costing us $8 trillion. Monica Lewinsky, 30 million.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  Well, they don't mention the Gilmore Commission at all. Do you know what the Gilmore Commission is?

• 1:02:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me about it.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  After 93 attack, and I was up at the Trade Center, and I got a call from Mario Cuomo thanking me for my work. I wrote the legislation creating a Gilmore Commission. Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore chaired the Gilmore Commission. Jim's a man of integrity. Ray Downey was on the commission. The Gilmore Commission wrote five reports. Five reports before 9/11. Those reports were the bulk of the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission after the fact. The Gilmore, the 9/11 commission doesn't even talk about the Gilmore Commission. That was before 9/11.

• 1:03:28Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the one that was presented to Clinton, Bush, and Bolton. Rob, can you pull up that one story from ABC News?

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  I wrote it.

• 1:03:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know the article from ABC News that we have?

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you guys seen this one here, which is kind of a... Like, if you wanted to create an instance to go to war, they wrote the playbook of what to do to go to war, because the other argument is what? $8 trillion, 2.3 at Afghanistan, 2.3 in Iraq. And don't forget, when, who was it that told us they're missing 2.3 trillion dollars in Pentagon's money?

• 1:04:01Speaker 12

  Don Rumsfeld said that.

• 1:04:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's so funny that 2.3 is Iraq, 2.3 is Afghanistan, and he says 2.3 trillion is missing. Those, you know, the, you know, those three numbers shouldn't be matching that correctly. This is it, Rob?

• 1:04:14Speaker 12

  This is Donald Rumsfeld talking about the missing 2.3 trillion the day before 9/11 on September 10th.

• 1:04:22Speaker 13

  And the fact that they can fail and die is what provides the incentive to survive. But governments can't die. So we need to find other incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve. The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector. But not ours, not fully, not yet.

• 1:04:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you go straight to the 2.3?

• 1:04:49Speaker 13

  We are, as they say. ... from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of trillion dollars.

• 1:04:58Patrick Bet-David?

  A little bit back.

• 1:04:59Speaker 13

  Estimates, we cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars in transactions.

• 1:05:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Kind of weird to say that, right? But going back to the Gilmore, the Gilmore Commission, Rob, that ABC story, do you have that? Yes. So this is, this is a, where 1998 memos, a blueprint for war. This is ABC News. I don't know if you've seen this or not. This is an article written in 03. And March 10, years before George W. Bush entered the White House and years before September 11 attacks set the direction of his presidency, a group of influential neoconservatives hatched a plan to get Saddam Hussein out of power. The group's project of the new American century, or PNAC, was founded in 97. Among its supporters were three Republican officials who were sitting in out, sitting out with President Bill Clinton, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and Paul Wolfowitz.

• 1:05:44Patrick Bet-David?

  In an open letter to Clinton, the GOP congressional letter, the next year, the group called for the removal of Saddam Hussein regime from power and a shift towards a more assertive US policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam. And in report, just before 2000 election, that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing events like Pearl Harbor, like a new Pearl Harbor. This is ABC News, go a little bit lower, Rob. This, that event on 9/11, by that time Cheney was Vice President, Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense, and Wolfowitz was the Deputy of the Pentagon. The next morning before was clear who was behind the attacks.

• 1:06:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Rumsfeld insisted that a cabinet meeting with Saddam Iraq should be a principal target of the first round of terrorism, according to Bob Woodward's books, da-da-da-da-da. You know the rest.

• 1:06:34Speaker 04

  So let me add something to that comment.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  But that wasn't a Gilmore Commission.

• 1:06:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Those are two separate things.

• 1:06:38Speaker 03

  Oh, totally, totally, totally. Nothing to do with each other.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  But January of 2001.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  The options for us to go after al-Qaeda is briefed to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Hugh Shelton. That is to say, the culmination of our work is briefed to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. We are directed to stand down in January, right as the Bush team comes in. When Bush comes in, the Able Danger project is stood down.

• 1:07:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Right when Bush comes in, the Able Danger project is put down.

• 1:07:11Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:07:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So now you're saying something that he's gonna dispute.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  No, I'm gonna say there's data, and Eric, I think, will confirm this. The data removal in Garland that you talked about earlier was, I think, partly caused by the fact that when John Hamery went down at my request to get a view of what they were doing, John Hamery tasked them to run a special profile of Chinese acquisition of our technology. Am I right or wrong, Eric?

• 1:07:42Speaker 08

  Yes, that was before Able Danger.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  So they did a run for the Deputy Director of Defense, and that information, now listen carefully, came up with the names of Condoleezza Rice and several other prominent American leaders. Am I right or wrong?

• 1:08:03Speaker 08

  Yes.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  When that came up, Washington's Beltway shook because here was the Able Danger team coming up with data in their data mining system regarding China that American officials had helped steer the Chinese to acquire our technology. Dan Burton, Chairman of the Oversight Committee, issued subpoenas. That's when they told Eric to destroy all the data. Am I right, Eric?

• 1:08:30Speaker 08

  No, that was a different effort. That was, he had subpoenaed it, so we had to make copies of it and send it to Capitol Hill.

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  But then, but the rest of it you destroyed, I guess.

• 1:08:39Speaker 08

  Yeah, then in November is when the Able Danger started. It was in March, spring the next year that we were given the cease and desist. And while that was going on, when you collect information about US persons, even if it's incidental, which is the tools, you know, you can't read 2.5 terabytes with data with the human eye in that time. So 90-day hits were required to delete all that. And since we were given a cease and desist order, the clock's still ticking, the 90-day hit. I had a lawyer come down from my command and says, "All right, here's your day. Delete the data or go to jail." And I had to sit with one of my warrant officers. We had a deep moral discussion on should we hide some of it? Should we just put some on a removable hard drive and hide it in a

• 1:09:21Speaker 08

  file cabinet? And we ended up deleting all of it. And that's, that's about the worst day you could ever spend in the military, knowing now in hindsight, that you know, you're now the guy that could have prevented 9/11.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  But there was also some sensitive data and names that came up in the work that you had done for John Henry.

• 1:09:41Speaker 08

  So here's the issue. And this is, I'll give you an example for what we did when the FBI came down, we're talking to them about the able dangers. We gave them a car dealership in Morocco that was used as a front organization. As we gave them, you know, here's that car dealership was.

• 1:09:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was them?

• 1:09:56Speaker 08

  Uh, the FBI. We had some FBI agents that showed up. They said we want to.

• 1:09:59Patrick Bet-David?

  A car dealership in Morocco?

• 1:10:00Speaker 08

  Right. So it was just, you know, the front was the business, but in the back, we were, we knew the people that were associated with were funneling information. And the first question the bureau asked is, or the agents there is like, well, where'd you find this? And what we showed them was, well, here's the hit that we got on unclassified information. And it was this really wild Michigan militia conspiracy theorist website that said, you know, the FBI is trying to arm the KGB in northern Michigan to take over Upper Peninsula, Chelsea Clinton's real father is Webster Hubble, and then there's this car dealership used as a front organization. And so, you know, this is what I mean by raw.

• 1:10:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That's in it?

• 1:10:37Speaker 08

  It's all, it was all on the same page.

• 1:10:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Seriously? Like who Chelsea Clinton's real father comes out?

• 1:10:41Speaker 08

  Yes.

• 1:10:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The story we've all read about.

• 1:10:43Speaker 08

  The webpage that the tool hit had this on the page. And so we're showing this to the bureau. And this is all, this is what I mean, the difference between raw intelligence versus what comes out of an agency which has to be peer reviewed and edited and screened and then produced into a very slick product. We were feeding raw information out to, you know, Congress and Weldon, out to PCOM, out to all these organizations.

• 1:11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Who filters it out to get credibility?

• 1:11:08Speaker 08

  What's that?

• 1:11:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Who filters out the raw, open source to get credibility?

• 1:11:11Speaker 08

  I had my own, I mean, I had a small shop at 24 analysts. So we were doing it on a very small level, but it wasn't the, you know, the size of, you know, we're not the 40,000 people that work at NSA or whatever. So we got 24 people working in the second floor basement of this organization. So the Bureau looks at this and says, you guys are a bunch of cracks. Even though we were able to show additional information that corroborated it and show them right there, it didn't matter. It was the fact that we, you know, you just squandered your credibility because what you saw as the tip off.

• 1:11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it.

• 1:11:41Speaker 08

  Came out.

• 1:11:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so did you end up finding out if Hubble is the real father?

• 1:11:46Speaker 08

  You know what? Yeah, I don't even, we don't, we don't touch, we didn't even touch that stuff. That was, and again, that's the problem is when you go after stuff with.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  After the Patriot Act, everything's on the table.

• 1:11:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so, so, so, but, but going back to it again, so here's what I just did. I went online and I said, what was Dick Cheney's net worth before 9/11? Okay? 19 million dollars. What was Rumsfeld net worth before 9/11? 50 million dollars. I don't know what it is today, but when you think about the financial motivation, Dick Cheney, Halliburton ties, he was the CEO of it from 1995 to 2000, owned a ton of shares, had a lot of shares in a blind trust that he couldn't sell while he was serving, but he did sell it afterwards. How much money was made? I'm sure a lot. Yeah, millions, right? And then when you go look at Donald Rumsfeld ties, you see the ties that he has, served on boards of major companies, ABB, a defense contractor, Gil, scientists, a pharmaceutical

• 1:12:37Patrick Bet-David?

  company with government ties, and a Rand Corporation, which is a defense think tank, right? And you see how that money is made.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Do you want a Cheney story?

• 1:12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  I took the first delegation bipartisan to Libya in 25 years to support George Bush when he said that Gaddafi wanted to give up his weapons. I took three Democrats and two other Republicans. And the state, the White House tried to stop me. I was going to visit the troops in Iraq, but we, we got a plane and we went to Tripoli for two days. Our meeting with Gaddafi was always at the end. I met with him three times. But on that first trip, they took us out to this man-made reservoir where Gaddafi had built this water system of pure water for the people in the desert. That's me. I was printing an American flag on him after I gave the speech to the entire country. Joe Biden came with me on that trip. He was with me, with me. It wasn't his trip,

• 1:13:25Speaker 03

  it was my trip. So, um, they showed us this man-made water system, and I said, how did, the pipe was like 14 feet high. I said, how did you build that pipe? You've been under sanctions for 25 years. Oh, Congressman, we didn't, we didn't build that pipe. Well, who did you buy it from? You've been under sanctions by the US and Europe for at least the last two decades. Did you buy it from Russia? No. Did you buy it from China? No. Well, who'd you buy it from? We bought it from a company called Halliburton.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  You understand what I'm saying? They bought it from Halliburton while they were under sanctions by the US. And while Dick Cheney was a leader of Halliburton. I served with Dick Cheney in the House.

• 1:14:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What was he like?

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  Well, all I'm telling you is I'm disgusted with what I found out about Dick Cheney by now. And for him to come out and say anything about Donald Trump is an absolute disgusting joke. Look at all the money he has. And his daughter ought to go out and talk about that. Just like he canceled the V-22 for the Marine Corps. I led the fight to save that platform, which is why I was so close. Because Al Gray came to me, the Commandant of the Marine Corps. And General Jim Jones had me flying the first V-22 with him when we delivered to the Pentagon. Because I was the leader to save it, along with Carl Levin from Illinois, a Democrat. These people that make money behind the scenes. Off of decisions that kill US troops. And kill US firefighters are disgusting. And somebody's got to stand up and say enough's enough. Let's take back control of our country.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  And again, I'm not saying a blanket thing about all intel. I'm saying it about the people who are out for themselves.

• 1:15:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, what do you think happened on 9/11?

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  What do I, what I, what I know happened on 9/11 was we could have prevented it. And number two, what happened, all, I worked very closely with the architects and engineers. You've had them on.

• 1:15:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:15:11Speaker 03

  I worked closely with the, with the families of 9/11. I worked closely with the firefighters. The most poignant story. You ought to show it on a tape. Is when Fire, Deputy Chief Oriole Palmer. One of the most decorated firefighters in the city. Takes his, his unit to the first building. He climbs, he gets in an elevator. He's got all his equipment on, 40 pounds of gear. With his team. They go up 40 floors in an elevator. While the planes have already hit. He gets off the elevator and you hear him say, in the microphone. We're on the 40th floor. Everything's okay. We're going to walk up. He gets on the 50th floor. It's okay. We're going up higher.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  He gets on the 60th floor. It's okay. We're going up. The Oreo Palmer Battalion Chief reaches the 78th floor. The floor of impact comes out of the stairwell. And you hear him say as clear as day. We're here. The floor of impact. We've got two fires and we can handle them. And the building collapses in within one minute.

• 1:16:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Get out of here.

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  No, that's true. Every American needs to listen to Oreo Palmer.

• 1:16:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the video?

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  The video is on Bravo 7.

• 1:16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you play that rap?

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  Yep. Listen to his voice.

• 1:16:27Speaker 14

  Fire here in the B stair and we'll meet up with you. You get over to the A stair and help out Chief Palmer. Battalion 7, Operation Tower 1. Battalion 9, I need your full book 79. We're about to stay going up to 79. Okay. All right, I'm on my way up, Oreo. 15 O B to 15.

• 1:16:50Speaker 14

  Battalion 15 O B, Battalion 7, Operation Tower 1. Stop in the elevator and the elevator shaft. You're gonna have to get a different elevator. We stop and put a wall to get out. Oreo, I'm gonna come in with that. Tower 1.

• 1:17:05Speaker 14

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• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  The firefighters in New York deserve better than this, Patrick.

• 1:18:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, there's no question about that. So, you were saying that, but again, question, why did 9/11 happen?

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  I don't want to speculate. I think it'll become, it already is the biggest nightmare in the history of the country.

• 1:18:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you at least do the following? Can we at least for the viewer, Tony, whichever one of you guys is comfortable doing this? I'd want to look at it like this. When a crisis happens, we sit there and we say it's either this, it's either this, it's either this, it's either that, or it's either this. And we tie percentages to it. I think there's a 40% chance it was this. I think there's a 3% chance it was this. I think there's a 13% chance it was this. What are five things, Tony, you think it could have been? The reason for 9/11? Let me ask you a question before I give you the five things.

• 1:19:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Why would you stand down a cutting-edge black special operations unit in January of 2001, right before you know there are threats from that very target located within the United States? Why would you do that? Who is you? The inbound Bush administration, Bush 43. Why would the Bush administration in January of 2001, as they're coming into office, stop? Because there's evidence, because of the, basically, what, um...

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  I'll answer your question, but I want to make sure you get, we get this into the conversation. When, uh, what's his name, went to the National Archives and took stuff out in his socks.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  Sandy Berger stole documents.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  When Sandy Berger went into the National Archives, he stole a bunch of things, put it in his underwear and his socks.

• 1:20:36Speaker 03

  He stole, he stole five documents.

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  He stole five documents. One of those documents was regarding the existence of able danger.

• 1:20:44Speaker 03

  I can't prove that. I don't think anyone can.

• 1:20:47Speaker 04

  I have, we have, I think we have a source.

• 1:20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Sandy Berger was President Clinton's top secretary to plead guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors.

• 1:20:55Speaker 03

  He stuffed them in his underwear and socks. He, he stole five documents. He got outside, the inspector general for the archives called him and he lied. That's a felony. He committed 11 felonies. One of Clinton's lawyers cut a deal. The deal was he pled guilty to 11 felonies. I went, I'm the only person that got in the archives after that in August of 06, before they took me out. I said, I want to see what we think Berger stole. Part of it was the Millennium After Action Report by John Ashcroft, which you can get. We don't know exactly what Berger stole, but he didn't want the 9/11 commission to be able to include what he had. It may have been able danger, we don't know. But the fact is, and I said this on the House floor, Sandy Berger was a traitor.

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  If you stole one archive, you'd be in jail. His, you know what his, uh, sentence was? 11 felonies and he gets one misdemeanor. No jail time. One misdemeanor. And it was pre 9/11 intelligence. That's what Tony's referring to.

• 1:21:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It says it right here, the five documents, one of them, the Millennium After Action Review. The second one is, uh, analyze how the US handled the foil terrorist plots around the 2000, including threats linked to Al Qaeda. Then review contained assessment of the US vulnerabilities, intelligence coordination failures, and recommendations for preventing terrorist attacks. Uh, Berger took five copies of the same documents, not five documents, reportedly destroying three of them. He claimed he removed them to prepare testimony before 9/11 commission not to conceal wrongdoing. The original of the documents remain in the archives, only annotated or draft copies were taken.

• 1:22:24Speaker 04

  I don't believe that.

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  That's not true. I was there. I went to the archives. And the CIA told my staff, "Tell your boss not to be very careful what he's looking at." And I told him, "The CIA doesn't control what I look at. I'm a member of Congress."

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  Again, why would you not want to have a full investigation of this, you're saying?

• 1:22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I would want to, but when you said in January, if you knew the special ops, why would you put a stop to it?

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So Bush gets elected January 20th, 2001. So, the way I would process that, if you're saying in January, that means it's in the last 11 days of January. Is that fair? Because he's not president yet.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:22:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Then he's not making a decision. Somebody else is making a decision for him. Because what he's doing is, it's his first term, he's probably asking, "What do you guys think? What do you think? What do you think?" "I think we should do this. You're a rookie that just got in."

• 1:23:08Speaker 04

  I'm not saying that.

• 1:23:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So I don't think he made the decision.

• 1:23:10Speaker 04

  I'm saying, though, that when you're briefed on a capability, that clearly Condoleezza Rice another said, "Oh, we knew something was coming a little bit." You know, they were all these memos. And that's the mystery we've asked to be told too, because we were stood down. We were trying to say, as Kurt indicated, "Something's happening. We need to be on top of this." Captain Scott Philpott was calling me constantly to go around his chain so we could reactivate this. He was actually, I had a clandestine location in Old Town Alexandria. He actually called me one time and says, "Can we use your clandestine location to springboard and get this going again?" It's like, "Yeah, if you can do it."

• 1:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So why did they?

• 1:23:49Speaker 04

  We don't know.

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  I want to give you one more kudo for this team.

• 1:23:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I still don't have the five, by the way. I want to know the five speculations.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  And Eric will, and Tony will both verify this. And Scott Philpott came to my office on 9/11, he got very emotional. This is an academy graduate, Naval Academy. And he said, "Congressman, this is not the F in America I swore to uphold and defend." He was very emotional. He said, "We also could have prevented the attack on the USS Cole." You want to talk about that, Eric?

• 1:24:16Speaker 08

  The second time I had to, we went up to testify was in February 2006. And we had, you know, after everything's done, you know, you've got reporters floating around the room and everything. And I had one guy come up to me and he was asking me some very personal questions. What are you doing now? What are you doing for work? That kind of thing. Followed me out into the hallway and I said, you know, I'm sorry. I'm not going to answer any more of your questions. I don't know who you are. And he goes, oh, I'm sorry. I'm Kirk Lippold. I'm the commander of the USS Cole. And, I mean Kirk and I are friends now, but that's the moment that-

• 1:24:43Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a friend of mine. Kirk Lippold?

• 1:24:45Speaker 08

  That's the moment that, again, it hits you that, again, I feel responsible for the loss of your sailors.

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  Eighteen, eighteen sailors.

• 1:24:54Speaker 08

  I have the response, I get to carry the responsibilities for the loss of 3,000 people on 9/11. The 20th, I really wish you hadn't played that video just a few minutes ago, because on the 20th anniversary, my wife found me totally broken down in our kitchen. And it's, I get to, I get to carry that PTSD the rest of my life. And I didn't think I had it. And it got worse and worse, and it gets worse and worse every year.

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  And I feel the same way about the Downey family. These things have got to stop. This is no longer America when this happens. And Donald Trump can do it by putting in place a commission of independent people to do what he says he's going to do. And I support that, and I support him. Name an independent commission. Put you on the commission. You have integrity.

• 1:25:45Speaker 04

  I've got the five things for you. I think there's five likely events. We'll go through them one by one. First is government incompetence. They were completely just, nobody knew what the hell they were doing. Keystone Cops all the way, and the 9/11 report is correct. That's, that's one presumption. It's like, yeah, it's exactly like they said it. John Lehman wrote the narrative. Everything is accurate.

• 1:26:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I would say no matter what, one is right. I said no matter what one is.

• 1:26:18Speaker 04

  Well, competence is, I think, a factor, no doubt.

• 1:26:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, my opinion, you're not saying this, I'm saying this. What I'm saying is, no matter whatever the five you propose, my opinion, number one, is absolutely right. What's two?

• 1:26:29Speaker 04

  Okay, controlled operation that went wrong. There is allegations, we've talked about in the day, that at least two of the individuals were under control of CIA. That the FBI was also involved in some level, because a guy named Anwar Al-Lakhi, my friend Catherine Herridge is reporting on him. Anwar Al-Lakhi was a controlled asset of the FBI, who actually moved two of the 9/11 hijackers around, who later was assassinated as US citizen by Barack Obama in Yemen, he and his son. Anwar Al-Lakhi, there he is. He was, I would argue, I don't want to get off track here, but Anwar Al-Lakhi actually lectured at the Pentagon in 2004, because he was brought in for, but he was actually handling two of the 9/11 individuals. He actually gave them a tour. He was out of there.

• 1:27:14Speaker 04

  So, based on that, there could have been an aspect of the US government controlling individuals and them getting out of control. There's a movie called The Siege, which kind of covers this. If you remember that with Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington. I was once told by a Pentagon official, by the way, in a random moment that, oh, that would never happen, which was a strange moment to look back on at this point.

• 1:27:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so one, government incompetency. Two, is controlled operation that went wrong?

• 1:27:41Speaker 04

  Three is, basically, that's omission. By omission, they just didn't, they didn't control it, commission. I think more severe would be then, the government kind of knew this was going to happen. They allowed these people to go into place. They didn't adequately provide full-time surveillance. And they basically allowed the 9/11 attack to happen with the theory that they were going to try to stop it to the last second. And they were, they were.

• 1:28:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Why would they allow it to happen?

• 1:28:07Speaker 04

  I'll be blunt. I think we've talked about the profit motives of a number of individuals. I don't believe for a minute the deep state is a single entity. I think it's a... I think George Carlin once said, "You don't have to be organized if you all have people that feel the same way about things." And if you had a sufficient critical mass of individuals, neocons... I am not a neocon for the record. I'm a Reagan guy, and I've fought most of my life against neocons. I think the neocons, both parties, by the way, this would explain the Clinton-Bush connection, would allow essentially some level of event to happen per... you mentioned it earlier, Pat, about the roadmap. You brought up the article about the roadmap. That would be the roadmap, that they kind of let this happen.

• 1:28:52Speaker 04

  And then the last option, the fifth option, is full-blown, the government was behind it and planned it. Those are the five options, as I see them.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  Or another government cooperated with our government.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  Well, I think another government cooperated in most of these, just saying.

• 1:29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  What other government would benefit?

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia.

• 1:29:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I saw the one thing with Saudi Arabia is...

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  I don't think we should limit it to any one country.

• 1:29:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Who else would you add to the list?

• 1:29:16Speaker 03

  I wouldn't add any other country, because I don't have the facts, but I mean, any person with a brain could figure out there'd be other countries that would have a motive to want to see this occur.

• 1:29:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Possibly China?

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  I don't want to speculate on...

• 1:29:30Speaker 04

  I don't think they were developed sufficiently to see us as an adversary in a focused way in the late 90s.

• 1:29:36Patrick Bet-David?

  When I... when you say Saudi Arabia, "Report included references to individuals with connections to Saudi government who allegedly had contact with the hijackers. However, deeper investigation to Saudi involvement was left out, later addressed in the 28 pages, declassified in 2016, which raised further questions about possible support networks."

• 1:29:55Speaker 04

  Two things on that. And my dear friend, late Congressman Walter Jones, got that declassified. Walter passed a while back.

• 1:30:03Speaker 04

  There was a finding that we haven't talked about. In parallel to what we're doing, talking about here, Pat, was a finding. Alex Station, CIA had a finding to assassinate Bin Laden. We weren't part of that, by the way. We were completely independent. As a matter of fact, when I was first read into the Special Operations Command concept, I was asked to go brief the CIA representative to Special Operations Command, a guy named Dave Rolfe. Dave Rolfe, I read him into the project. And he confirmed the existence of Alex Station and the finding. And the reason I briefed him into it, CIA, is because we didn't want to have them think that we were trying to go after Bin Laden. So what was going on at the same time we were doing Able Danger was the CIA finding, Alex Station.

• 1:30:47Speaker 04

  That's out there, there's a couple of books on it. What I'm saying is that they actually were targeting Bin Laden directly, CIA was, outside of what we were doing. And within the context of what you just said, the Saudi Arabians were helping support Bin Laden. As a matter of fact, one of the assassination attempts was stopped because one of the Saudi royal family was falcon hunting with Bin Laden, apparently in Afghanistan. And at the time that they were getting ready to use an armed predator to take him out, they recognized at the very last minute that one of the Saudi royal family members, the chief of the Saudi intelligence, was with Bin Laden. And I think this was in 99.

• 1:31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So I just looked this up to see, to ask a question. Who else was other countries possibly? And this is not you saying it, Kurt. This is Chad GPT saying this, so this is, we're not putting it on you. Fifteen out of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi nationals. That's one thing that we know. Two, Pakistan. Inner Services Intelligence was long suspected of having murky ties to Islamist groups, including those in Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden was found in Abbottabad, Pakistan in 2011, just a mile from a major military academy. Okay? UAE. Two of the hijackers were from UAE. And the other country was used as financial hub for some of the funding and planning. Iran. No evidence of Iran involved in 9/11, but the 9/11 Commission acknowledged that some

• 1:32:12Patrick Bet-David?

  hijackers transitioned through Iran, which I know you want to say something about that, without having their passports stamped. This is where Qassem Soleimani was involved. Five Iraq, six Israel, and, you know, seven China. Those are the countries that came up of possibilities of being here.

• 1:32:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Your facial reaction is very...

• 1:32:33Speaker 03

  I'll talk to you off-camera.

• 1:32:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, that sounds good to me. But tell me this. With, you know, stories linked to Osama bin Laden, okay?

• 1:32:43Patrick Bet-David?

  When the events takes place, I'm very skeptical about Osama bin Laden, period. I'm skeptical about that we really dropped the guy in the middle of the ocean. I'm like, I'm there on what happened. I don't even believe, why would you drop? We've never dropped an ass in the middle of the ocean. Well, because it's a martyr, you don't want people to go celebration at his funeral plot and all this other stuff. I don't know. I mean, the difference is Transformers drops Megatron in the middle of the ocean. Then a couple of years later, they drop Osama bin Laden in the middle of the ocean. I don't know if it was inspired by the movie or not. I don't want to speculate. Let my creativity go there. You guys don't have to go there. But bin Laden, stories about where he goes, where he was at, who he met with, what things do we know about bin Laden?

• 1:33:24Speaker 03

  Well, I was a very big supporter of when George Bush went up to the Trade Center. I was there at 9/11 and he put his hand up in the air. I was there with him, with the firefighters. And he said, "We're gonna get you, we're gonna come find you." I figured that it must have been bin Laden in Afghanistan. So I got all fired up and said, "I'm with you, Mr. President, all the way." I was concerned about our troops being harassed in Afghanistan the way the Russian troops were. I took two other members of Congress and went with Al Santoli, a decorated Vietnam veteran, New York Times bestseller, with intelligence ties. We went to Rome and we met with King Zahir Shah in exile, without the US government approval. We went to his family's home.

• 1:34:06Speaker 03

  And we convinced, I have the photos, King Zahir Shah to go back to Afghanistan and convene a lawyer Jorja of all the tribes to accept the American troops when they came in, so our troops would be protected. I took every step I could to protect the American troops. Then, I'm like, doing my job in the Congress, because I couldn't trust the intel being provided by the CIA. As the Vice Chairman of the Defense Committee and Homeland Security, they would spin the data. I would get better information from defense reporters like Bill Gertz than I would from the agency. So I had my own intel team. These are people that worked for the agencies. There were about 15 of them that worked for the CIA, DIA, NSA, FBI, and I would meet with them for breakfast in the Capitol. They would feed me raw data.

• 1:34:51Speaker 03

  And they fed me raw data after 9/11. Osama bin Laden was seen in a town called Ladis. I had no idea where Ladis was, so I went up the street and bought a map at the bookstore. You have that map right here that I bought, 25 years ago, 20, yeah, 25 years ago. And I looked on the map and I found Ladis, 10 kilometers inside the border of Pakistan in Iran, in an area called Baluchistan. I then went to a classified briefing for the full committee, closed briefing. Now, I'm the vice chairman of the committee. At the time, I was the acting chairman. The chairman wasn't there. And in front of 60 members, I said to the CIA, "I have information of Bin Laden's been sighted in Ladis. What can you tell me?" "Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports.

• 1:35:35Speaker 03

  We can either confirm or deny them." I was outraged. "We're sending kids to Afghanistan to look for Bin Laden, and they can't deny that he's in a town called Ladis?" Three months later, my raw intelligence people tell me that he's being treated at a military hospital in Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing in front of the whole committee, and I ask the question. I get the same response. "Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them." And I said, "What the hell's going on here? We're now months into this whole operation. We're sending kids over to Afghanistan, and you're telling me Bin Laden may be in Baluchistan?" Then I get the most respected Democrat in the House, Jack Murtha, chairman of the Senate of the House Appropriations Defense Committee,

• 1:36:19Speaker 03

  former Marine, very well-respected member, and a friend of mine. Murtha sends over Ron Klink. Now, Murtha's dead, but Ron Klink's alive. And he says, it says to me, to Ron, "Ron has information from a NOK. He used to work for the agency about Iran." And Jack says, "Go see Kurt. He investigates these things." Ron Klink came to my office, and Ron Klink will verify this. He's a man of honor. He's alive. And I said, "Ron, how can I help you?" He said, "Congressman, I have a, I have an acquaintance here. I need you to talk to him." Jack said, "Come, Neil." I said, "Okay." He brings this NOK in. He said, "Congressman, I want you to help me go to Iran." I said, "Why do you want to go to Iran?" He said, "Well, that's where I used to work for the agency." And he said, "That's where Bin Laden is, and there's a $25 million reward.

• 1:37:03Speaker 03

  You help me get to Tehran, I'll leave my credentials there in the hotel, and I'll go down and bring you back, dead or alive, because there's $25 million reward." I said, "I'm sorry, I'm in the middle of a battle with the agency right now. I can't do that." Now, that's the third incident. Then, I get a request from the Department of Interior. They want to bring in the head of the International Falconry Association. Now, that's not unusual because I'm the Republican on the Migratory Bird Commission. The Migratory Bird Commission oversees all the wildlife refuges in North America. John Dingell was a Democrat. There were two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured he wants to talk about birds? Okay, I'll talk about birds. This fellow from Maine, Alan Perot, brings in two falcons.

• 1:37:48Speaker 03

  Million-dollar birds on his shoulders. He's a Sikh. Very wealthy family. He said, "Mr. Chairman, thank you for greeting with me." I said, "Okay." I said, "I've devoted my life to falcons. I worked with the UN on the international falcon treaties." And he said, "I was in the base camps that trained the children of the royal families on the sport of falconry." I said, "Well, that's very interesting." I said, "How can I help you with these birds? They're beautiful." He said, "I want you to help me go to Iran." Now, he knows nothing about what I've been given. I said, "Why do you want to go to Iran?" He said, "My falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. They'll accept me there. You get me into Iran, I'll tag his birds and take you to exactly where he is." That's the fourth. They take me out of office.

• 1:38:33Speaker 03

  I get a call from Michael Shoyer. Michael Shoyer said, "Congressman Walden, at my home, do you remember me?" I said, "Yeah, Michael." He said, "I worked for the CIA my whole career." I said, "I remember." He said, "My job was the director of the Bin Laden Task Force."

• 1:38:46Speaker 04

  Alec Station.

• 1:38:46Speaker 03

  I said, "Well, he said Bin Laden Task Force." I said, "What can I help you with?" He said, "I'm seeing information from the Birdman that I was never shown when I was in charge of the Bin Laden Task Force. I think he's right. We want to do a film. We want you to be a part of it." I said, "Not after what they did to my family. I'm not getting involved. Thank you, but no." I hang up the phone. Three months later, I get a call from General McInerney, a decorated American hero. And he calls me at my home and said, "Congressman Walden, I'm working with Michael Shoyer and the Birdman, and we want you involved." I said, "General, I'm not going to do it." In the end, I end up with ten silver bullets, including two royal family members from two separate royal families.

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  The Bin Laden was placed in Iran after 9/11. US has plausible deniability because they arranged it through other countries.

• 1:39:37Speaker 03

  The al-Ittihad was a person who's worked for our government for 50 years. He's a Quds al-Qaeda. He's not from the US. I'll reveal his information privately, but not publicly, and I'll take a polygraph. I met with him and he said, through one of the people he handled when he was active, he said, "You're right about many things, Mr. Chairman. I respect you." I said, "Well, thank you." He said, "You're right about Bin Laden. He was in Iran. And he was placed there with US knowledge and information, without the knowledge of the US, of the Iranian government." A few years ago, I think it was five years ago, we killed Soleimani. I don't even think Trump knows this. He took credit for killing Soleimani. He deserves credit, because Soleimani was a criminal.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  I text my friend, "Was that the man?" He texts back within one minute, "Yes." The deal to place Bin Laden in Iran was not cut with Ahmadinejad. It was not cut with the head of the Iranian government. It was cut with the head of the IRG. And if you think back to when the Shah was in power, the Iranian intelligence was largely trained by US intelligence. Those friendships never left. When the radical regimes took over in Iran, they didn't change their intelligence. And those friendships and relationships continued. The real investigation needs to be, what involvement did our intelligence have with Iranian intelligence? And was that involved in placing Bin Laden in Iran?

• 1:41:04Speaker 03

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  Bonjour, compadre. It's the...

• 1:41:45Speaker 06

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• 1:42:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, when you, when you hear that story about Iran, we, we all heard what? We heard Pakistan? You know, we heard, you know, that he escaped and, you know, poor coordination among US and Afghan troops and, you know, all this other stuff. We hear that, but mainly we hear about the city. What is that city called? Abbottabad, right?

• 1:42:34Speaker 03

  Abbottabad.

• 1:42:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, yeah, Pakistan.

• 1:42:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So, no one talks about Iran. However, the part about Iran here that's kind of strange is, Osama Bin Laden himself never confirmed to have been in Iran. However, some of his family members and senior Al Qaeda figures did reportedly seek shelter in Iran.

• 1:42:48Speaker 03

  Absolutely were.

• 1:42:49Patrick Bet-David?

  After the US invasion of Afghanistan, that includes Bin Laden's son.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:42:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Said bin Laden.

• 1:42:54Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:42:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And others who were later detained by Iranian authorities.

• 1:42:57Speaker 03

  And I asked an official from...

• 1:42:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're convinced he was there?

• 1:43:00Speaker 03

  Absolutely, 1,000%. I'll take a polygraph. I told you I'll take a polygraph on what I know. I'll take a polygraph. I have 10 silver bullet sources that bin Laden was placed. And when the Birdman was questioning the Iranian consulate office at the UN, because there is no Iranian embassy here, they were saying, "Why do you keep coming to us, saying that bin Laden's in our country? You would never harbor bin Laden." But they would go back and, you know, ask the questions in Tehran. Why is he keep saying this? Finally, Ahmadinejad came over to the UN to give a speech. And the Falcon, the Birdman from America, got George Stephanopoulos to ask the question. And I know George Stephanopoulos from when he worked on the House floor for Dick Eppart.

• 1:43:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the one you're talking about?

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  When I first went to Congress. George Stephanopoulos. So Stephanopoulos asked Ahmadinejad the question, kind of smirkingly. "Some of the wackos in this country are saying that you're harboring bin Laden." And obviously Ahmadinejad said, "No way would we ever harbor bin Laden." He went back to Tehran. That's when they kicked him out of Iran, over to Pakistan. Now, Ahmadinejad I still have contacts to. Now, if necessary, I can bring Ahmadinejad on the show. He's afraid he'll be killed, but he'll verify what I just told you. That's what's wrong with our country. The Iranian people have never been our enemy. That's what my book was about. When I wrote the book in 2005, I said Iran is not the enemy.

• 1:44:25Speaker 03

  You see the title of my book? I said the CIA is the problem. They're playing games. This book was endorsed by Jim Woolsey. Three-page letter. The former director of the CIA.

• 1:44:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I had him on the podcast. He's a good guy.

• 1:44:38Speaker 03

  And the book was endorsed by Jack Caravelli. Al Gore's CIA advisor. One-page letter. They endorsed the book. The Iranians published my book in Farsi. On their own. It became a bestseller because it says the people of Iran and the US are not enemies. The people in these countries are never our enemies. It's the games we play, not the games, the games we allow people to play. They're out for power and money. We've got to stop that.

• 1:45:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you play that clip with Ahmed Inaj? So here's the clip that you're talking about. Go for it.

• 1:45:09Speaker 15

  Final question. There's a new documentary out that says that Osama bin Laden is living in Tehran. Is Osama bin Laden in Tehran?

• 1:45:23Speaker 16

  Your question is laughable.

• 1:45:25Speaker 15

  Why?

• 1:45:26Speaker 16

  The US government has invaded Afghanistan in order to arrest bin Laden. They probably know where bin Laden is. If they don't know where bin Laden is, why did they invade? First, they invaded. Then they tried to find out where he is. Is that logical? Do you think this is logical?

• 1:45:41Speaker 15

  What I think is that you didn't answer my question. Is he in Tehran or not?

• 1:45:45Speaker 16

  Our position is quite clear. Some journalists have said bin Laden is in Iran. These words don't have legal value. Our position towards Afghanistan and against terrorism is quite clear.

• 1:45:56Speaker 15

  Is it true or not?

• 1:45:58Speaker 16

  Maybe you know, but I don't know.

• 1:46:01Speaker 15

  I'm asking you, you're the president of Iran.

• 1:46:03Speaker 16

  I don't know such a thing. You're giving news which is very strange.

• 1:46:07Speaker 15

  So let me ask it a different way. If you did know... That Osama bin Laden was in Tehran. Would you show him hospitality? Would you expel him? Would you arrest him?

• 1:46:15Speaker 16

  I heard that Osama bin Laden is in Washington DC.

• 1:46:19Speaker 15

  No, you didn't.

• 1:46:20Speaker 16

  Yes, I did. He's there because he was a previous partner of Mr. Bush. They were colleagues, in fact, in the old days. You know that. They worked together. Mr. bin Laden never cooperated with Iran. But he cooperated with Mr. Bush.

• 1:46:33Speaker 15

  I'll ask one more time and then I'll let you go. If you knew that Osama bin Laden was in Tehran, would you say you don't? If you knew, would you expel him? Would you arrest him? Would you show him hospitality?

• 1:46:46Speaker 16

  Our borders are closed to the illegal entry of anyone. Anyone, whoever that may be. Whether it's the three American mountaineers, Mr. bin Laden, or anyone else. The borders are closed. Our position is clear.

• 1:47:00Speaker 15

  But you deny categorically that he's in Tehran today. He is not... Osama bin Laden is not in Tehran today?

• 1:47:08Speaker 16

  Rest assured that he's in...

• 1:47:10Speaker 03

  I'm... that's the first time anyone's... I've never talked to you about this in advance. And you pulled that up right away. It's exactly what I said. And I know the people that got Stephanopoulos to ask that question. I would ask you one more thing to look at. Remember that airplane? That somebody captured on the tarmac in Tehran? That was unidentified, unloading pallets and pallets of American cash? Do you remember that story? And no one ever explained it? I wonder why that occurred? Remember the pallets of cash? And the estimates? We've got to stop allowing these games to be played. The people of Iran are not our enemy.

• 1:47:49Patrick Bet-David?

  How are you tying this plane to that plane?

• 1:47:50Speaker 03

  I... I can't tie that. All I can tell you is I'm aware of that. That's something I...

• 1:47:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But they're... they're 15 years apart of the event. You're talking about the $400 million cash.

• 1:48:01Speaker 03

  There was... there was more than one flight of planes into Tehran. Let me say that.

• 1:48:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed. Barack Obama approved the $400 million transfer, which he announced in January as part of the Iranian nuclear deal. The money was flown to Iran in wooden pallets, stacked with Swiss francs, euros, and other currencies as the first installment of the $1.7 billion settlement resolving claims at the international tribunal at The Hague over a filed... failed arms deal under the time of the Shah. A fifth American was also released by Iran separately.

• 1:48:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What is your correlation between the two?

• 1:48:40Speaker 03

  The correlation that I can tell you is that the US was aware of and helped facilitate the placement of Bin Laden in Iran. They retain plausible deniability, that's the fancy word they use. They maintain plausible deniability by using other countries. And I'll give you one more story about Iran. I did most of the work for the Congress with Russia, Staneyhoroy was my co-chair. And as you know, the big deal right now is the Iran nuclear program. Well, let me tell you what happened in the 90s that I will verify and give you again a polygraph on. I was very upset when we had evidence that the Russian Ministry of Atomic Energy was helping Iran with the Bushir reactor.

• 1:49:24Speaker 03

  And I went to the Ministry of Atomic Energy and I took two members of the House who are today's senators. And I'll give you the photograph, you can get it off my website, of me with Roger Wicker, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Lindsey Graham, meeting with the Minister of Atomic Energy in Moscow, Mikhailov, they called him the Hawk. And I said to him, "We want you to stop helping Iran with the nuclear program at Bushir because this is going to come back to hurt both of our countries." This is in the 1990s. Mikhailov said, "Congressman, we can't do anything about these deals that we're doing." I was very outraged, and I let the Russians know that. One of the most pro-American leaders in Russia who did the Nen-Luger program was the head

• 1:50:08Speaker 03

  of the Nuclear Institute in Russia called Korchatov Institute in Moscow. His name was Dr. Evgeny Velikov. He died in December. He was a very good partner of Sam Nun and Dick Luger. That's how I met him. Velikov became a good friend of mine. When Bush reached out and made that famous speech in 2001 that he looked in Putin's eyes and saw his inner soul and realized he's a man he could trust, you can pull that speech up, that was Bush saying this. I took that seriously, and I pressed Velikov to do something about the Iran program. Velikov came to my office, and I have a three-hour interview with Velikov in my oral history that's never been released, in Moscow.

• 1:50:47Speaker 03

  And Velikov said, "Putin wants to offer to the US a bilateral, 50-50, overseeing any fissile material going into Iran." We turned them down. We turned them down, under George Bush in the early 2000s.

• 1:51:06Speaker 12

  I'll take a polygraph.

• 1:51:09Speaker 04

  By the way, on a different note, the Federal Reserve is often, I used to consult with the Federal Reserve's intelligence folks, and yes, they have an intelligence program, and moving whole plane loads of cash is not an uncommon thing for the Federal Reserve, just saying. It's a common occurrence.

• 1:51:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I can see that. I can see that. By the way, I've had multiple conversations with Ahmadinejad. We've done multiple Zooms with him. He reached out. I was supposed to fly to a country in Europe to interview with him, and that was a day after the assassination attempt they had on him. I don't know if you remember that, when that story came out publicly. He said something. He made a couple other claims. Rob, if you want to play the couple of claims and what he said, and you remember this one here. This is him. What's the date on this, Rob, when this speech was given?

• 1:51:55Speaker 12

  I'm not sure of the date. I believe this is at the United Nations, because the delegates from the United States-

• 1:52:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You're familiar with the speech? Go ahead and play this clip, Rob.

• 1:52:02Speaker 17

  ...identifying those responsible behind the September 11th attack. There were three viewpoints. First, that a very powerful and complex terrorist group able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security carried out the attack. This is the prevalent viewpoint, which has been supported mainly and advocated by American statesmen. Second, that some segments within the US government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order

• 1:52:41Speaker 17

  to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people, as well as most nations and politicians around the world, agree with this view. Third, it was carried out by a terrorist group, but that the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents. The main evidence for this viewpoint links the incident with a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble. And a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown.

• 1:53:24Speaker 17

  But it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire, no trace of suicide attackers was found.

• 1:53:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause that line. Thoughts on that, Tony?

• 1:53:44Speaker 04

  Well, I've never seen this before, but it seems like I came up with a couple of the options.

• 1:53:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You've never seen this before?

• 1:53:49Speaker 04

  I've never seen this before, no. And it seems like some of the things I mentioned to you track with what he's saying. I've never seen this. I have no idea this existed.

• 1:53:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Kurt, had you seen that before?

• 1:54:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:54:01Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think about what he's saying?

• 1:54:05Speaker 03

  I'd have to analyze it some more. I have some thoughts. But again, I try to be very careful because what they'll do is they'll pick apart what I say. And what I try to do either, I have backed up with my files. I have the largest archives in House history. Or my oral history, which is 100 hours of videos done by the past president of the National Association of Oral Historians. Or by firsthand evidence. And I don't know. My contention is just that Iran should not be an enemy right now. The people of Iran have never been. They were good friends of ours under the Shah. And they're good people. And we should not allow ourselves to be sucked into another war.

• 1:54:45Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a very different country, though, Kurt.

• 1:54:46Speaker 03

  I know that, but it's been...

• 1:54:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Very different country. Before Iran, there's only two countries in the history of mankind that have said death upon America.

• 1:54:54Speaker 03

  Yep, I understand that.

• 1:54:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It's North Korea and Iran after 1979. Pre-79, Iran had great relationship with us, great relationship with Israel, great relationship with the world. The Shah didn't trust Israel because of where they are politically. But he was still able to do business with them. He was able to do business with France. He was able to do business with Europe. But the moment the IRGC, the founder of IRGC I had on the podcast here four months ago, he was right here. We had a two and a half hour conversation together. Him and Khomeini started IRGC and we talked about what happened with all the lies and Sinamorek's far this is not the same Iran we're talking about it's a very different Iran.

• 1:55:31Speaker 03

  But you're not calling for a war with Iran.

• 1:55:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't want no war and I don't want I don't want people dying I I just I lived there when war happened I saw people dying I lived in Iran for almost 11 years from 19 I'm born October 1878 we left July 1589 so think what era I lived in Iran in Tehran by the way capital.

• 1:55:50Speaker 03

  You mentioned North Korea.

• 1:55:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:55:51Speaker 03

  I took all three delegations to North Korea the the three US delegation I took all bipartisan and I went in there again to support the president I never went on a foreign delegation because that's not the role of the Congress to do foreign policy only to support the president I I led delegation to 104 countries I went to North Korea and I went there in support of George Bush in the early 2000s and with Colin Powell's support Colin Powell was the Secretary of State a good man I wanted him to run for president he didn't want to do it he was screwed by Bush because Condi Rice wanted to kick him out so she could take his job in the second four years and she did I'm aware of that that's why Colin Powell didn't support George Bush for reelection I know that for a fact

• 1:56:32Speaker 03

  but anyway I went to North Korea and I said what do you people want they said Congressman we really don't trust the Chinese we don't fully trust the Russians the person I met with was Kim Gae Kwon he was our lead negotiator.

• 1:56:44Patrick Bet-David?

  How many times did you go to North Korea?

• 1:56:45Speaker 03

  I went there three times three times and to Pyongyang I went there once to Pamoon John to bring back the remains and I went to to Pyongyang and I said well what do you want they said we want the respect of the US we don't know how to get the respect of the US I said well the one of the things you gotta do is you've got to stop terrorism and you've got to stop your nuclear program they said well we're not really interested in pursuing a nuclear program this is back in 2003 and 4 so I said well what if we came up with a plan that maybe would allow you to have an alternative source of energy they said we'd be interested in that so with my delegation again three Democrats I can name them and they'll come on your show and two other Republicans on the back of an envelope

• 1:57:26Speaker 03

  on my first or second trip there I wrote down six or seven items it became a two-part plan to create what I called the peace pipeline.

• 1:57:35Patrick Bet-David?

  This is it?

• 1:57:37Speaker 03

  The peace pipeline? Yeah, that's it, that's it. That's the meeting. That's the meeting. So, I said, and I met separately with Kim Gae-won privately, with the members, they were off. I said, "I want to meet with you privately. Let me run something by you. Because I have to get this approved by Secretary Powell and by the White House." I said, "The six parties nations, China, Russia, South Korea, North Korea, the US, what if they all came together and offered you some other way for energy? Let's say the Russian has energy up in the Far East, up around Kamchatka, oil and gas. What if we built pipelines from the Russian Far East that came down from Kamchatka through China, down the rail corridor of North Korea to South Korea? And what if Cogas in South Korea offered to buy that product and sell it to China,

• 1:58:22Speaker 03

  to Japan, and the other countries? And China built the pipeline. Would you then be willing to give up your nuclear program?" And the North Koreans said, "Yes." So I wrote up a two-part, ten-point peace plan. Cole and Powell had me speak at the monthly Secretary of State forum that he sponsored as a secretary, in front of 200 State Department employees. And he put it on his website. The peace plan was approved by all other four nations, five nations. I went to Wuhan, China. Wuhan, China, besides being the health problem, their largest manufacturer of pipe is in Wuhan. They have 500,000 employees there. I went to Wuhan and spent a week. I met with the leadership of the pipe company and the party in Wuhan. I said, "Can you get the party leadership to approve you building pipe

• 1:59:07Speaker 03

  for a pipeline system from the Russian Far East down through China and North Korea to South Korea?" They said, "We'd love it. And yes, our country will support that." I went to Cogas. I'm very tight with the South Koreans. Kim, the former Defense Minister, is a good friend of mine. And I traveled with him to Kazakhstan. He knows me very well. And the President was also a good friend. He held a dinner for me when I left Congress. I said, "Will Cogas buy the product? We'll buy it for ourselves and we'll sell it. We don't need to China, to Japan." "Yes, Congressman, it's a great idea." The Russians, I said, "You want to sell the product up there?" "Absolutely, Congressman. We'll sell all the oil and gas." All the countries supported it. And the plan was that we would not complete and open the pipelines until North Korea shut

• 1:59:51Speaker 03

  down the Yongbun reactor. That's their main reactor. Shut it down and allowed for a transparent multinational review of that site to verify that the nuclear program was totally shut down. And then I told them, once that's done and once it's verified, then the product will flow through the pipelines and you'll get a tipping fee. For every barrel of product going through the pipeline, you'll get income for your country. And you'll get to use some of the product for energy for your nation, so you won't need nuclear power. The North Koreans wanted to do it. The White House didn't want it. I'll tell you how severe it was and how childish it was. You know, we have an annual prayer breakfast in Washington every year, and I used to go to every one of them. The president speaks.

• 2:00:33Speaker 03

  So I was at the time working both Libya and North Korea, had been to both countries. So the Libyan ambassador in Washington was a man named Ojali. I said, Ambassador Ojali, will you come sit at the prayer breakfast with my delegation in front of the president to show that Libya is serious about peace with America? He said, absolutely, Congressman. A month before the prayer breakfast, I get a call from the two embassy officials, North Korea had no embassy here, they had a consulate office up at the UN, Ambassador Han and Ambassador Park. Ambassador Han called me. He said, Chairman Walden, you have some kind of a prayer event in Washington once a year. I said, yes, Ambassador. It's the prayer breakfast. He said, Ambassador Park and I would like to come and bring our spouses. I said, you want to come at the prayer breakfast? He said, yes.

• 2:01:18Speaker 03

  I said, well, you know, you can't have a press conference there. It's a prayer breakfast. We pray. He said, no, Congressman. We just want to come and show our presence. Well, I said, absolutely, you'll be my guest. I organized the table. It was going to be the ambassador from Libya and his wife, Ambassador Han and his wife, Ambassador Park and his wife, right in the front and the center of the national prayer breakfast.

• 2:01:41Speaker 03

  About two weeks before the prayer breakfast, I got a call from Ambassador Han. He was very upset. He said, Congressman Walden, we have to turn down your offer. I said, why would you do this to me? You asked me to get the invitation. I get it. I get the table. He said, Congressman, you don't understand. We're not an embassy. For us to travel outside of New York, out of 50 miles, we have to get State Department approval. We applied for the permit, and your State Department turned us down. I hung up the phone, and I called the State Department. And the Congressional Affairs guy, whose name I have in my records, and he'll say this, he'll verify, before I could even say anything, he said, Mr. Chairman, I know why you're calling, and Chairman Powell supports you.

• 2:02:22Speaker 03

  We were called by the White House and told to deny the approval for the two embassy leaders from North Korea to come for the prayer breakfast.

• 2:02:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What was their fear?

• 2:02:31Speaker 03

  Condolences, right. She didn't want them in the room with the... She didn't want to show that North Korea wanted a peaceful coexistence with America. I'll take a polygraph.

• 2:02:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I get it, but what you're saying is that these neocons, they want war.

• 2:02:50Speaker 03

  They want conflict.

• 2:02:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Why don't? Is it pure profit, or is it just constant conflict?

• 2:02:55Speaker 04

  It's Marxism. It's Trotsky. If you look back at their roots, it goes back to Irvin, what's his name? Oh, my goodness, I'm having a senior moment.

• 2:03:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Senior moment who does 20 pull-ups, by the way.

• 2:03:11Speaker 04

  Well, that's how I get past senior moments. Oh, my God, because anyway, it's a form...

• 2:03:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Irving Zeitlin?

• 2:03:21Speaker 04

  No, no, Irving, his son is a big neocon now. He's one of the...

• 2:03:26Speaker 03

  Crystal, Crystal.

• 2:03:28Speaker 04

  Crystal. Irving Crystal. Uh, Chris, uh, Irving Chris... Yeah, Bill's dad created the neocon movement out of essentially a Trotskyite concept of using a combination... Yeah, there you go. It's a combination of...

• 2:03:49Speaker 04

  Collectivism, concepts of collectivism and chaos. That's why Stalin had Trotsky killed because Stalin did not like the idea that some guy was running around there using essentially communism as a method of insinuating chaos. The chaos, they believe philosophically, will allow for them to gain control. The chaos, they believe, gives them some level of global control. That was, and that, that goes back to Stalin.

• 2:04:15Patrick Bet-David?

  That makes sense to me. That makes sense to me. We got a few minutes here, I want to go through a couple of things before we wrap up. Okay. Judy Wood, how much do you know about Judy Wood?

• 2:04:22Speaker 03

  I've never met the woman. I know a lot about directed energy. I was the first person to hold a congressional hearing on EMP. Based on, as you know, and your viewers can Google the term Starfish Prime. That was the first EMP test. If you had Peter Pryor on, I know he talked about that. Peter worked for me. When I wrote the EMP legislation, which became law, it created the commission, Peter was the executive director of the commission. EMP is our gravest threat right now because it can neutralize a country by taking out your smart capabilities. But from that, weapons were developed using directed energy. And that's the major thrust to me today. And what Judith Wood says is that those buildings weren't taken down through airplanes or bombs.

• 2:05:07Speaker 03

  They were taken down through a massive directed energy attack.

• 2:05:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Who do you believe more, her or Richard Gage? Who do you give more credit?

• 2:05:14Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, the architects and, I don't compare either one of the two because I'm not a professional in that area. I think they both are credible people. Richard Gage and the 3,000 architects and engineers have risked their entire lives and careers talking about the lies of the NIST and the false report that was put out there. And I can give you a story about NIST that'll blow your viewers away, but I won't bother if you don't want to hear it, but...

• 2:05:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna stay on Judy Wood here because Judy Wood, interesting background, she got a degree in civil engineering, got a master's degree in engineering, mechanics and applied physics, and a PhD in material engineering science. She's not politically, like, involved, she could care less about the politics side. It's not something that she talks about. But her, her theory... Several observations she claims cannot be explained by official narrative. One, lack of significant debris. She talks about how the debris pile after the collapse was much smaller than expected for buildings as large as the World Trade Center tower. She suggests that much of the material was vaporized or dustified by a D E W, leaving little rubble behind. That's one. Two, toasted cars.

• 2:06:20Patrick Bet-David?

  She points to reports and images of cars near the World Trade Center that were severely damaged or toasted in unusual ways, burned or melted, without clear signs of typical fire or explosion damage. Wood interprets this as evidence of selective energy defects from a D E W. Absence of expected seismic impact. Wood claims that seismic data recorded during the collapse doesn't match that would be expected from a traditional building collapse. She argues that the D E W attack would produce less ground vibration than a conventional demolition. And then the Hurricane Aaron connection, which is kind of weird. On nine eleven, there was a hurricane. Most people don't know this. There was Hurricane Aaron was present in the Atlantic Ocean. I don't know if you've seen the picture of the Hurricane Aaron, how close it gets and

• 2:07:04Patrick Bet-David?

  what direction it just goes. If you've ever seen this. Wood suggests a speculative link proposing that the storm's energy might have been harnessed or connected to the D E W technology used in the attack. It starts and just kind of goes and disappears to the other side. Now, obviously, these are, to the average person, crazy claims. What do you think about what she says there? Any credibility there?

• 2:07:28Speaker 03

  I think we need this. We need to have a presidential commission.

• 2:07:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 2:07:33Speaker 03

  Get Richard Gage, who's done a lifetime of work, Judith Wood, the firefighters, the lawyers, all of the people. We have firefighters who've never been interviewed, who heard explosions in the buildings. All of those people need to come together because the nine eleven commission, listen carefully, is a complete fraud.

• 2:07:55Speaker 03

  I don't blame the commissioners. I blame the people who manipulated the data. The people who ran it.

• 2:08:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. When the president was getting, doing an interview with, I want to say, who was it that was doing the interview? She's phenomenal at what she does at Fox. She married Duffy. Campos. Yes, she's great. And she asked, Kate, when you become president, will you release what happened with John F. K.? Yes. 9/11? Yes. Epstein? Yes. Well, and then he kind of hesitates a little bit on the Epstein side. But 9/11, it was like, yes, right?

• 2:08:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:08:30Patrick Bet-David?

  So now, did you see what happened with Cash Patel with Kennedy's hearing just yesterday? Did you guys see that clip or no?

• 2:08:37Speaker 03

  I was working yesterday.

• 2:08:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That clip was everywhere. Cash Patel's asking about Epstein. Rob, if you can play the shorter one. That's the one right there. Is that the one? Yes. Go ahead and play that clip if you don't mind, and I'm not trying to tie the two together, but I'm trying to, I got a question for you here. Go for it, Rob.

• 2:08:53Speaker 11

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• 2:09:27Speaker 06

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• 2:10:02Speaker 11

  Did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself, or did somebody kill him?

• 2:10:07Speaker 18

  Senator, I believe he hung himself in a cell in the Metropolitan Detention Center.

• 2:10:12Speaker 11

  Are you going to release all the information about that?

• 2:10:16Speaker 18

  Senator, we are working through that right now with the Department of Justice.

• 2:10:18Speaker 11

  When you think you'll have it done, Cash?

• 2:10:22Speaker 18

  I think in the near future, sir.

• 2:10:25Speaker 11

  Like, before I die?

• 2:10:27Speaker 18

  Senator, we've been working on that, and we're doing it in a way that protects victims, and also doesn't put out into the ether information that is irrelevant for production to the public, such as CSAM.

• 2:10:51Speaker 11

  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

• 2:10:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so...

• 2:10:53Speaker 11

  Senator Reed.

• 2:10:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Question.

• 2:10:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Mario Cuomo, who you quoted earlier, said, you know, "Most people campaign in poetry, but they, you know, govern in prose," right? Like, you'll say all this stuff that you want the people to hear, and then you become in there, you're like, "Whoa!" You know? Kind of have to do a different thing than, um, I can't do 80% of the stuff that I said. Most, right? This is why nobody trusts politicians. Few statesmen, many politicians. We know the difference. President Trump, you know, positions himself as a statesman that has the brass to go up after people, and he's not afraid. For him to say some of the stuff that he's done, takes a lot of brass to do what he's doing. The trade war, not easy. The average person cannot do it. It's a very risky thing to do. He has the brass to do it. We all know that.

• 2:11:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Between the two things to release, what do you think is riskier for them to release, and why? Is it to open up a presidential commission, you know, to go investigate 9/11, or release the Epstein files? Because it seems like we were supposed to get this information, and now they're just kicking it down, and, yeah, two more months, and two more months. Trust me, people are going to forget about it. Two more months, and two more months. Do you think that's the deep state that's coming in and saying, "You cannot release this to anybody"? Who do you think it is? And do you think President Trump will pursue 9/11?

• 2:12:25Speaker 03

  Well, I've never met Donald Trump, and I do think he's the only person right now in America that can get us back on a normal track about the way this country was designed when I taught school for seven years in Pennsylvania. My personal bias is I want 9/11 addressed because it is the largest single attack in US history. It's the largest loss of life in our country, and in my opinion, I don't think it was an accident. I think there was deliberate involvement in what I've seen to cover it up, and I want to know why. With the Epstein case, I've not done an investigation.

• 2:13:07Speaker 03

  I think that's probably more of a personal thing where the deep state may have information on people that they are threatening people with if that comes out.

• 2:13:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So you leak it, it's worse because you can't hold them hostage. So you're using the data to hold people accountable.

• 2:13:20Speaker 03

  The key thing for Donald Trump is to take the initiative and be the aggressor and analyze all of those deep, straight, bad people and what they've done. Their bank accounts, what they hold now, their relationships. None of us know any of that and start to expose that.

• 2:13:38Patrick Bet-David?

  9/11.

• 2:13:39Speaker 03

  Well, not only that, everything they've been involved in. Those people that have made money that have been caused by the deaths of American GIs and by the deaths of American citizens and firefighters. Donald Trump should take the offensive. That's what I would do.

• 2:13:55Patrick Bet-David?

  To pursue and finding out what was behind 9/11?

• 2:13:58Speaker 03

  And, but also what people working for our deep state has gone on to make money that is exorbitant cash pots that they hide behind now based upon their ties to our intelligence in the past.

• 2:14:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so there's a couple of things, and by the way, you made a facial expression when the Cash Patel thing was going on, so I'm curious what you said, but I'll come back to that. But let me stay on this here right now, is, do you remember when, what was it, Rob, when all the presidents had to show up? And President Bush was there, Pence was there, Obama sat next to Trump, Michelle Obama wasn't. I think it was Jimmy Carter's funeral.

• 2:14:33Speaker 03

  Jimmy Carter's death.

• 2:14:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Jimmy Carter's funeral, and you see President Bush come and they walk in a way to not have to greet the president. Okay, not have to shake his hand, and it went and shook everybody else's hand, but not him. You've seen this clip, I'm sure the rest of the audience has seen it. If you, Rob, if you have it, just type in Trump, Bush, Carter funeral. Trump, Bush, Carter funeral, and show the clip of them walking in specific. That's the one right here, watch this. This is in, President Bush is coming in.

• 2:15:03Speaker 00

  What's happening, my guy? What up, George?

• 2:15:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Take the audio off, shakes hands there, and then boom, no shaking hands with the president. Right, you got Pence, you got everybody else. Not Melania, not anybody. What's funny is Melania yesterday announced that they're doing a stamp specifically for, I believe, Barbara Bush. Rob, can you verify what I'm saying, this if it's not a factual statement or not? It is Melania Trump announces stamp Barbara Bush? Yeah, I'm right. So Melania Trump announces yesterday unveils Barbara Bush's stamp. She left an undeniable mark on our hearts. Okay, so first I see this Jimmy Carter situation at the funeral, and I see Bush doesn't talk to Trump. Maybe because he's about to release 9/11. Bush is worried about it because maybe he was linked to it on the deep state.

• 2:15:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, that whole thing that we're talking January 20 of 2001 is an issue there. Okay, then I think about, is he capable of talking about 9/11? If there's ever been a president that would be interested in wanting to do a presidential commission on 9/11, I believe it's President Trump, let me explain to you why. One, he's from New York. Two, when it happened, they interviewed him. Rob, do you have the clip of what happened when they interviewed the president? He was one of the most honest, straight up feedback that he gave on what happened. Where, this is not with any research. This is with nothing.

• 2:16:25Speaker 03

  Yep, I saw it.

• 2:16:26Patrick Bet-David?

  When it took place, and this is what the president said on 9/11 when this took place. Go ahead, Rob.

• 2:16:35Speaker 19

  Donald, you're probably the best-known builder, particularly of great buildings in the city. There's a great deal of question about whether or not the damage and the ultimate destruction of the buildings was caused by the airplanes, by architectural defect, or possibly by bombs or aftershocks. Do you have any thoughts on that?

• 2:16:56Speaker 20

  Well, it was an architectural defect. You know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building. Don't forget, that took a big bomb in the basement. Now, the basement is the most vulnerable place, because that's your foundation. And it withstood that. And I got to see that area about three or four days after it took place, because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour, because he did the building. And I said, "I can't believe it." The building was standing solid, and half of the columns were blown out. So, this was an unbelievably powerful building. If you know anything about structure, it was one of the first buildings that was built from the outside. The steel, the reason the World Trade Center had such narrow windows, is that in between all the windows, you had the steel on the outside. See, you had the steel on the outside of the building. That's why, when I first looked, and you had big, heavy I-beams.

• 2:17:41Speaker 20

  When I first looked at it, I couldn't believe it, because there was a hole in the steel. And this is steel that was, you remember the width of the windows of the World Trade Center, folks? I think, you know, if you were ever up there, they were quite narrow. And in between was this heavy steel. I said, "How could a plane, even a plane, even a 767 or 747, or whatever it might have been, how could it possibly go through the steel?" I happen to think that they had not only a plane, but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously, because I just can't imagine anything being able to go through that wall. Most buildings are built with the steel is on the inside around the elevator shaft. This one was built from the outside, which is the strongest structure you can have, and it was almost just like a can of soup.

• 2:18:25Speaker 19

  You know, Donald, we were looking at pictures all morning long of that plane coming into Building Number Two. And when you see that, approach the far side, and then all of a sudden, within a matter of a millisecond, the explosion pops out the other side.

• 2:18:40Speaker 20

  Right. I just think that it was a plane with more than just fuel. I think, obviously, they were very big planes, they were going very rapidly, because I was also wa-

• 2:18:49Speaker 19

  So, you know, when you see something like this...

• 2:18:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You see him being from New York. You see his background being real estate. You know he knows all the dark people in New York. You know he knows all the powerful people in New York. You know he knows all the political people. He's been doing stuff with Schumer, Hillary Clinton, all this. He knows all of these guys. If there is a guy that would reopen this up to find out what happened. He's the only one.

• 2:19:11Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:19:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I think in our lifetime, the only one with the brass and the qualification to do it is him.

• 2:19:17Speaker 03

  And you are one of the only people that he'll listen to, which is why I came down to Florida on behalf of the firefighters of America to tell Donald Trump to convene and name a presidential commission. Thank you.

• 2:19:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Anytime. Yeah, I, I hope it happens because for me, the only thing I'm interested in is, is the truth. What happened? Maybe we're wrong. It's okay if we're wrong. Maybe we are. If we are, look, let's just do it.

• 2:19:44Speaker 04

  Nothing wrong with finding out.

• 2:19:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let's just find out and get smarter. Let's find out on what happened. Um, it'll definitely make America more, you know, safer if we're able to get that done today. But I'm hoping that happens. Uh, gentlemen, it's great to have you, uh, uh, on today. Uh, we have different books, Rob. Let's put the link to all the books. We have Awaken the Sleeping Giants.

• 2:20:04Speaker 03

  Mine aren't available.

• 2:20:05Patrick Bet-David?

  They're not available? So if we are gonna do it, which one could we do? So they can't even get the books?

• 2:20:10Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? So for you, we'll put the Presidential Firefighters for 9/11 Truth. You can get this here.

• 2:20:17Speaker 03

  The film, Bravo Seven.

• 2:20:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Bravo Seven, which is there as well. For Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaffer, we have Operation Dark Heart. Rob, let's put it below. And for Eric, we have, Rob, let me see that there. Intelligence Operations. We'll put the link below as well. And if I'm not mistaken, Kurt, I know people will reach out to you. I think you're also on MINEC. If people have information on 9/11.

• 2:20:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:20:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and, uh, Tony, they'll be able to get ahold of you guys.

• 2:20:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm joining.

• 2:20:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, perfect. We're gonna put the link to that information below as well for them to be able to ask you questions. But this has been a breath of fresh air. Appreciate you guys for doing this. And maybe there will be a follow-up on this in the future.

• 2:20:56Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:20:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm looking forward to that.

• 2:20:58Speaker 04

  Thank you, sir.

• 2:20:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm looking forward to it. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye.

• 2:21:00Speaker 04

  I'm retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer. I'm a senior intelligence officer slash retired spy. With a great deal of information regarding my 30-plus years of operational experience, plus 9/11 issues relating to able danger. I wrote a book, Operation Dark Heart, New York Times bestseller. I'm the national security advisor to the Trump 2020 campaign. I'm an elected official in North Carolina as a county commissioner. So, reach out to me via Menech. If you have questions, I'm happy to try to give you answers that will help you. Look forward to talking to you.

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