Encounters x292 - Paranormal Communication | Ouija Boards, Seances and More

This week is all about communication with the other side — and what happens when the ghosts actually respond. From DIY Ouija boards to spirits that leave behind physical signs, this episode is filled with eerie tales of curiosity and consequence. Stories include: A college sleepover that turns terrifying when a Ouija board opens the door to a mimicking spirit who never leaves. A ghost girl is caught in the act of making the bed, and she may have left a bracelet behind on a mysterious basement dirt pile… In an Encounters follow up, a haunting presence calls a listener back to a former home, and a spirit box app had a lot to say about it. A spirit who throws mugs of tea and shakes a coffee table convinces one listener’s skeptical partner that the paranormal may be real. PLUS: Sabrina’s been talking with a haunted doll, and there’s a new Bigfoot fan in the TGOG universe. Books mentioned: My Best Friend’s Exorcism Witchcraft for Wayward Girls by Grady Hendrix Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very spooky.

• 2:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 2:09Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have so many things to tell you.

• 2:12Corinne Vien?

  Really?

• 2:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Well, first of all, I got us coffee this morning and I was driving through the drive-through and I'm listening to Grady Hendrix's Witchcraft for Wayward Girls right now.

• 2:23Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And let me just play for you the segment that was playing when I went to the window to pick up our coffees.

• 2:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh, God.

• 2:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Keep in mind we're in-

• 2:32Corinne Vien?

  Oh, you went through? Oh, because you were a drive-thru.

• 2:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I did drive-thru, but it's Salem, so this probably isn't that weird. But I was like, this cannot continue. I'll just-

• 2:41Speaker 04

  Ori glae, esse, and yae, our pay. esse, and yae, indum, kay. esse is yae, ein, de, or fe.

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  Pig Latin!

• 2:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it keeps going. I could be like, surely it's going to stop and it will be the audiobook and they'll know I'm listening to an audiobook. But it kept going.

• 3:03Corinne Vien?

  You're like, oh, I'm listening to Duolingo. I'm learning Pig Latin.

• 3:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm literally doing a spell on all of you at Dunkin' Donuts.

• 3:10Corinne Vien?

  That is creepy. I wonder if that's ever happened. I'm sure. Wait, okay, have you heard of the drama on TikTok? Sorry. I know that you said that you have so much to tell-

• 3:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, no, now we need to know about the drama.

• 3:21Corinne Vien?

  This is a very quick side note.

• 3:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a drama.

• 3:22Corinne Vien?

  And I have no names, but I think it's going to be easy to just like, search. There is someone on TikTok that has a hair salon and they have a very popular TikTok profile. And they do like really cool cuts and colors.

• 3:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, the curse?

• 3:37Corinne Vien?

  Yes. So there is a hair salon and a hairstylist and apparently there's like-

• 3:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm like scared to talk about it.

• 3:42Corinne Vien?

  I know, me too. Not really. We have so many witches on our side.

• 3:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true.

• 3:46Corinne Vien?

  We're invisible! No, I shouldn't say that.

• 3:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, we forgot to turn the lamp on.

• 3:51Corinne Vien?

  It's not too late.

• 3:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll do it now. Ready? One, two, three.

• 3:56Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so there's someone who owns a hair salon on TikTok and they're very popular and they do really cool cuts and colors and they're very like spunky and like punk almost.

• 4:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like cool.

• 4:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Has like a very specific style that people go to them for very specific haircuts.

• 4:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and they seem really cool and everyone loved them. But then there was a one person who made a whole thing being like, I think I got hexed. There was some weird stuff happening. Someone went in for a haircut, wasn't entirely happy with the haircut, asked to come in to get some corrections done.

• 4:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is absolutely normal and should be normalized and totally fine. There should be no problem with asking for what you asked for.

• 4:39Corinne Vien?

  Especially if you're a new client too, because like you guys are learning each other, right? Like you have new hair going different ways that they're not familiar with. You might not know exactly how to ask for what you're looking for, like.

• 4:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, like from my experience, I've gone to hairstylist and I've shown like two pictures and been like, I want like this type of vibe. And they're like, those are two completely different colors. But like to me, they look the same because I don't know the mixing concoction details.

• 5:06Corinne Vien?

  Yes. So we understand that. But someone posted about going to this hairstylist, not being entirely happy, asking to come back and get some corrections. And when they sat in the chair, all around the hair salon were really strange, like seance hexing type of artifacts.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, the first big red flag was the salt circle around her chair.

• 5:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, when you look down at like the pedestal that you sit on and like the hairstylist chair, there's a perfect like thick layer of salt just around the base of it. There were like pentagrams and just different things all around the salon.

• 5:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Asked, she was like, oh, did you start decorating for Halloween? And the hairstylist looks at her and is like, no.

• 5:45Corinne Vien?

  Right. And it was also people started looking at the videos of this hair salon, looking at how they had decorated in October. And none of this is decor that they use. So it wasn't just like taken out of storage for this. It was purposefully brought in potentially for this one specific appointment because there was not salt around any of the other chairs.

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nope. And then at one point, the hairdresser disappeared and the like normal poppy music that was playing in the salon shifted to what sounded like a spell or a hex being repeated, like a very creepy music. And then the hairdresser returned and like finished the haircut.

• 6:24Corinne Vien?

  But very coldly, apparently.

• 6:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very coldly.

• 6:27Corinne Vien?

  Which is really interesting because all this came out and immediately people did not believe the original poster who was talking about this because this was a really like beloved.

• 6:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Respected, yeah.

• 6:37Corinne Vien?

  Hairstylist. And then when people started comparing the pictures that this girl took on her phone of like all the stuff around to the chair and around the salon as she was sitting there and people were comparing it to all of the TikTok videos from inside of that salon and at that chair, they were like, oh shit.

• 6:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:53Corinne Vien?

  People be out here hexing.

• 6:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And don't be, stop it.

• 6:55Corinne Vien?

  Stop it.

• 6:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We banish thee for hexing.

• 6:59Corinne Vien?

  No hexing.

• 7:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Be nice.

• 7:01Corinne Vien?

  Put salt on your food and over your shoulder.

• 7:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, okay. My second story.

• 7:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have wanted to tell you this since it happened, but I waited to tell you on the podcast. We have a new Bigfoot lover in my family and she is two years old.

• 7:19Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 7:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm not even kidding. As background, there's.

• 7:23Corinne Vien?

  Already my favorite. Sorry.

• 7:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like, you're gonna die.

• 7:26Corinne Vien?

  You're demoted. No, Emmy's taking your place.

• 7:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's my favorite too. It's fine. So as some context, like a really long time ago, I can't even remember, I was going through my photos and I was with No Emmy and she loves animals. So I was looking at like safari pictures and stuff and there was a video of a monkey. So now every time I see her, she asks for monkey video. And so I favor.

• 7:49Corinne Vien?

  She remembers everything you show her.

• 7:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She remembers everything and it's truly unprompted. She'll be like, monkey? And then she'll like grab my phone and be like, monkey? So I favorited it so that I have it like easier to access rather than I have to like find it in my camera roll. So I'm going through my favorites and there's this photo in my favorites from when you and I went to the cryptid museum.

• 8:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. The Museum of Cryptozoology in Portland, Maine.

• 8:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's like you and I doing a heart around Bigfoot and she, I'm scrolling through my favorites, kind of how I'm doing it right now and trying to find the monkey video and she stops me here and she goes, I like him.

• 8:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm good. Do you know who that is? And I say, it's Bigfoot. And she goes, Bigfoot? Then it just became a thing this past weekend where she kept asking for Bigfoot. Truly. We're in the, I have multiple videos of her. So I'm putting her to bed on Friday night and she keeps asking for monkey video. And I'm like, well, let's get in bed and I climb into bed with her. I'm like singing a song to her, reading to her. And she keeps begging for monkey, but I take out my phone and she goes, Bigfoot. And so now she's starting to ask me for Bigfoot instead of monkey.

• 9:06Corinne Vien?

  Now you were to get all of the Bigfoot caught on camera.

• 9:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 9:10Corinne Vien?

  Footage.

• 9:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 9:11Corinne Vien?

  Show her the Patterson Gimlin, Gimlet, whatever the.

• 9:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, she's the biggest Bigfoot enthusiast. We're literally in the car driving down to the beach for my sister's birthday. And we're all singing Pink Pony Club or all correct. Noemi singing Pink Pony Club because.

• 9:26Corinne Vien?

  As if I couldn't be any more obsessed with her.

• 9:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Lexi and I, Lexi and I are not allowed to sing. She goes, Bree Bree, Mama, no sing. But as I like try to film her, the second she saw my phone, she goes, Bigfoot. So I have that on camera.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  Bigfoot?

• 9:42Corinne Vien?

  You wanna see Bigfoot?

• 9:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 05

  I wanna see Bigfoot.

• 9:51Corinne Vien?

  There's Bigfoot.

• 9:53Corinne Vien?

  Who's that?

• 9:53Speaker 05

  I wanna do it.

• 9:55Corinne Vien?

  Who is that?

• 9:56Speaker 05

  I wanna do it.

• 9:58Corinne Vien?

  You wanna hold it?

• 10:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:00Corinne Vien?

  You wanna hold Bigfoot? I'm obsessed.

• 10:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's amazing.

• 10:04Corinne Vien?

  Actually, Noemi and I'm like starting to wonder what else she's into because so far two of her biggest interests, Bigfoot and Chapel Rowan are also my two biggest interests. Dang.

• 10:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My sister was like, have you told Corinne yet? I'm like, no, I'm waiting. I like literally have tears in my eyes. I'm so excited.

• 10:20Corinne Vien?

  To be here and to like be mic'd up in a chair and for us to go over Bigfoot footage.

• 10:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 10:25Corinne Vien?

  Wouldn't that be fun?

• 10:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That would be fun. Oh my gosh. When she's a little bit older, we could have a expert, a Bigfoot expert.

• 10:32Corinne Vien?

  A Bigfoot expert.

• 10:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The youngest Bigfoot enthusiast. Isn't it so cute?

• 10:38Corinne Vien?

  And because she remembers everything, she's always gonna ask about Bigfoot. You gotta get her some Bigfoot.

• 10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm going to.

• 10:43Corinne Vien?

  Paraphernalia.

• 10:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll get her a Bigfoot stuffy.

• 10:46Corinne Vien?

  She was into aliens, ghosts, skeletons, not Bigfoot.

• 10:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like she is such a creepy kid.

• 10:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like even that creepy bunny video where it was like a Halloween filter and she's like, oh, bunny.

• 10:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sweet bunny. I love her so much. But anyway, yeah, we have a new Bigfoot enthusiast in the family. Good. There's not enough. No, there are not. There are never enough Bigfoot believers. No, but we do have paranormal believers, many of you among us, and many of you have had your own experiences, which is why we have encounters episodes, because we cannot get enough of all of your stories. Mm hmm. And we've themed this one. We have. Seances. Ouija boards. Making contact with the other side. And not hexing people. Okay, I'm gonna go with little girls who make beds. Hmm. This is from Cory. Cory says, hello, Ghostesses and Leia. I'm Cory, a Renew fan? Maybe a new. Or renewed. Renewed.

• 11:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, we had Cory, then we lost Cory, and now we've... And now you're back. Now we have Cory again. Because once you get sucked, you can never get out.

• 11:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or they're new. Joining the pyramid scheme. You see, my coworkers seem to have more complaining to do than work. Dark-eyed kids, demons, and murder seems more positive than the moms of West Valley, Utah. So I pop my earbuds in and forget about them. Bloop, gone.

• 12:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See, you don't need to hex people. Just put our podcast on and tune everyone out. Bloop, gone. Okay, so Cory said, I really want to be part of your conversation, and I have a story. This is the one for the skeptics who make fun of their partners. Names have been changed, except for mine and the dog. Never changed the dog's name. Mm hmm. My... Dogs never do anything wrong. Then-partner Jay and I bought our first home close to downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, about 20 years ago. Shit, I can't believe that was 20 years ago, and that lands me back in my mid-20s. Not grade school or baby status, but I digress. This was a 100-year-old Victorian that had been updated but needed a little bit of work. It was called the Lake Street House. Jay and I had been together for two years, and I was in love. By the

• 12:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  way, two years is like six years in straight years. I love that. We never fought, and we were very happy. Both of us had good jobs, and we were really ready for this next step. And it's important to note that we were happy and never fought. If you're reading this, remember it and remind yourself of it in paragraph 1,007.

• 13:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love how this is written.

• 13:16Corinne Vien?

  I know, you too. Bloop, gone.

• 13:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "We were living in a two-bedroom apartment and my biological eight-year-old daughter stayed with us often. We may have adopted a mid-sized dog too, which was against the rules. Shh. But it was time for us to move, and quick. So we started moving mid-December. Laps, the dog, and I went to the house to figure out the decorating plan. And immediately, I felt funny there. I had been left alone and I was in the upstairs love nest when suddenly, Laps stood up and started barking at the wall. I didn't even know he knew how to bark. Surprise to me, this dog was shy and very timid. But it was in that moment that I knew we were not alone.

• 13:52Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 13:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Out the front door, we went to wait for Jay. And Laps kept pacing, but I'd rather stand in the cold than in that house.

• 13:59Corinne Vien?

  Trust your pets, though.

• 14:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's too late, they already bought it.

• 14:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Fast forward to exploring the house, the basement. It was an unfinished shelf basement. Half of it was a mound of dirt. And as I entered, I noticed the locks were on the outside of the door, as if to lock someone in. And on the way down, there was an upside-down horseshoe. And one small light lit the entire area. I felt like this was the place that she lived. Trust my gut, girl, please. I just signed up for years of debt with another man I met in a nightclub. Down the stairs, I went with shovel in hand. And by the time I was done with the space, it would be gorgeous. I spent most of my day shoveling dirt, and I discovered cement under the scattered dirt. I moved the dirt onto the big mound. It was a lot. I brought Jay down to show him that I could wear dirt as well as I could wear body glitter.

• 14:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As we looked around, I noticed that there was something on top of the dirt. There was a tiny playing card with a cartoon picture of a girl on the back.

• 15:00Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 15:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This was perfectly clean, placed on top of the dirt pile. Not far from it was a little girl's bracelet with a name spelled in beads. The bracelet was dirty. What the heck? My little hair stood up when I saw the items. They did not belong to my daughter. The card was placed there recently on top of the dirt. Jay rolled his eyes and I sit in the basement trying to feel who was there. It was a young girl. She wasn't mean, but she was curious. But I didn't feel like she was alone. I told Jay what I was feeling and I got more than an eye roll and I felt really bad and really dumb after that. But I stuck to my feelings. A few years went by and lots of strange activities like lights dimming or going out for no reason.

• 15:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And one day I was home alone, was walking down the stairs and a dog toy hit me square in the back. Also, my daughter, Rye, announces that she will be living with us full time. Yay, she gets two dads, a dog and a sister, a ghost sister.

• 15:58Corinne Vien?

  Ghost sister.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Ghost sister.

• 16:01Corinne Vien?

  Ghost sister.

• 16:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so Anna Faris of you.

• 16:03Corinne Vien?

  That should be like a new Nickelodeon show, Ghost Sister.

• 16:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have so many ideas, it's stupid.

• 16:08Corinne Vien?

  Bring back like Danny Phantom and all that good stuff.

• 16:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, please. Also, we learned the hard way that when you remodel a house, it does seem to wake up. So Rye and the remodeling together stirred up a lot more spirits. I'll send another email for that stuff, but Rye is moving in and I take Jay aside and tell him not to tell Rye about the girl and the ghostly activities. If she even thought the house was haunted, we would never get to go anywhere. And Jay agreed, he wouldn't say anything, mostly because he didn't believe any of it. And didn't miss an opportunity to remind me of how stupid the whole thing was. So here we are, our family is doing great and here it is paragraph 1007. So remember what I said earlier. Noticeable changes start to happen.

• 16:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I start acting mean and aggressive, which is very uncharacteristic of me. Jay and I started fighting a lot. I would break stuff and yell. Rye starts sleepwalking. She would stand at the edge of the couch staring at us. She made it down a floor and threw the entire house fast asleep.

• 17:09Corinne Vien?

  Oof.

• 17:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's nothing like watching TV and there all of a sudden is your sleeping daughter drooling on the couch. I've never seen her do that. And trust me, the girl's weird, but this was weirder.

• 17:22Corinne Vien?

  I wanna be her.

• 17:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, I love Ry.

• 17:24Corinne Vien?

  This seems like the most fun dad you could ever have. Wears dirt as well as he wears body glitter.

• 17:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, love it. The activity picked up when Ry went to visit her mom or when she wasn't home for a few days. I noticed, but Jay didn't, or at least didn't want to admit it. Our rooms were upstairs and I felt like her room had activity during her absence. So, for example, I would shut her door to keep Laps, the dog, out. And minutes later, I'd come back and the door was wide open. Again, you know what happens in a haunted house, I won't bore you, but the second Ry got home, it would stop. Maybe not stop, but slow down. My favorite occurrence were the dirty, small handprints on the wall in her room. None of us were a match. Years went by.

• 18:06Corinne Vien?

  And the dirt pile, dirt pile.

• 18:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The dirt pile.

• 18:09Corinne Vien?

  The dirt pile downstairs. This is making me wonder if she's, this is morbid, but like she buried under the cement in the basement. And so like the bracelet, the card, the dirty handprints, it's all supposed to be signs, like, help me, save me, find me.

• 18:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh, I, that's morbid, but I don't think that's wrong. Years went by and now we have beautiful, young lady in high school. Jay was coming around to believing the hauntings as he started to have really unexplainable experiences now too. And around 2009, around the time RuPaul Drag Race premiered. I love that this is like the tent pole for a reference.

• 18:47Corinne Vien?

  Right, yeah.

• 18:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But around that time, Jay and I called it quits. Ry and I would move out and hang in there because the punchline is coming. Ry was not surprised when we told her the news. Later, as a family in the kitchen, Ry opened up about a young girl that visited her and did funny stuff, but also kinda scares her. Hmm, she described exactly what I had described to Jay years ago. And there was more new details. Apparently, the girl would terrorize Ry when she was in the shower, but often would make her bed for her.

• 19:20Corinne Vien?

  Wait, a helpful ghost. And a little girl who likes doing chores.

• 19:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or like the little girl had to do chores. And so she's like worried that she's gonna get in trouble if she doesn't make her bed.

• 19:31Corinne Vien?

  Sabrina, that's sad.

• 19:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Apparently Ry didn't wanna get out of the shower because she always felt like someone was waiting for her, which explains the long showers. If this were a boy, we wouldn't even ask why.

• 19:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, everything happened. Jay and I broke up and we moved and took Georgie, the dog. Is this another dog? What was the other dog's name? Laps. Oh, Laps. Now we have Georgie. Well, it's been a couple of years, so maybe there's, they brought in another dog. Jay kept the Lake Street house and between renters, we had the opportunity to go back for a walk through. It was fun and we spent time talking until Rye rushed us out. No surprise, this girl was watching us. We quickly walked out the back door. I looked back and saw nothing. But Rye would not stop, would not look. She left as quickly as possible.

• 20:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Her old window overlooked the backyard and apparently the girl stayed watching us leave from that window. Later in the safety of our new condo, Rye opened up about all of her experiences. There was a lot and I felt so bad that she went through it. Oh, no. Apparently there was a picture. I'm sorry it's gone now with the flip phone, but clear as day, ghost. Jay had a boyfriend there and they actually brought in a psychic. The boyfriend insisted and Jay listened to him. Turns out I was right, which feels redeeming. Most activity was in Rye's closet in the basement entrance area. There was a porthole mentioned. Jay and his boyfriend moved out after a light switch turned on on its own. I want to also add that I have had a few boyfriends since and I have never fought with them or broken anything.

• 21:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Away from Lake Street, I seem to be cool, level-headed and peaceful. Oh, and we recently sold the Lake Street house. I really hope the new owners want kids.

• 21:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause they're getting them either way, I guess. I wish you didn't sell it or that you sold it to us. This is so sweet. I know you record late at night sometimes, so please allow me to resolve this with some updates. Rye has grown up to be a beautiful, wonderful lady. She met a great guy and I had the privilege of walking her down the aisle where Jay was waiting as the officiant of the wedding ceremony. Oh, my God, how sweet. Jay and I are friends but have an understanding. There was an empty seat at the wedding that was actually occupied. The little girl? I have chills. Love the podcast and YouTube. You're both stunning. See you on the other side. I've included a picture of our furry family, except for Penny the cat. She cannot be bothered with car rides. I thought I was gonna say that she cannot be bothered with photos. No photos. I will not sit for this.

• 22:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The white one in the pic is Louis Lemon and the dumb red head is Boon B.

• 22:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corey, I love you.

• 22:12Corinne Vien?

  Corey. These references are so funny.

• 22:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The little black and tan dorky is Abby. She's the newest member and lives at my house. The Lake Street House had Laps, Diablo and Georgie. They've now crossed the bridge.

• 22:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 22:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  R I P. From Corey.

• 22:26Corinne Vien?

  Wow. It's so, hmm, it's interesting because Corey believed right away. And I feel bad that Corey's daughter didn't feel like she could express all the things that she was going through.

• 22:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 22:39Corinne Vien?

  Especially because her dad was a believer. Her dad also was experiencing things. I wonder if it just wasn't talked about openly enough where like she felt like she could bring it up. Or maybe she was just scared it was gonna exacerbate things.

• 22:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It also sounds like Corey and Jay both agreed, like, let's not tell Rye anything because we don't want to scare her. And like, maybe like, when you tell a child about ghosts, like haunting a place, it might

• 23:05Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 23:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  activate it more and like make them, yeah, scared. But I'm so curious what the psychic said.

• 23:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, it feels unresolved.

• 23:14Corinne Vien?

  And it is weird because it was like, I don't know, at first I was like, there's just a little girl who is a little girl here. And she just wants attention and she's around. But then Rye feeling like someone's watching her and waiting for her out of the shower. Jay and Corey starting to feel like they're bickering and Corey feeling like way less level headed. Like, just the energy shift. It doesn't mean that the little girl's causing this, but like, you're right, like, there's something else.

• 23:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, Corey even said that when they sat in the basement, like after finding the card and the bracelet, which I'm also curious what name was on the bracelet, because it said a little girl's name, that Corey was aware of not just the little girl's presence, but something else as well. So I agree that there's for sure something dark, which I feel like the little girl is scared of.

• 23:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And maybe what Rye was scared of.

• 24:02Corinne Vien?

  In the basement.

• 24:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 24:04Corinne Vien?

  The dirt print hands, handprints.

• 24:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Lake Street House, are you accepting visitors? And visitors as in Sabrina and Krit, right?

• 24:14Corinne Vien?

  I wish we could buy these places and just like have them. We've always talked about like haunted Airbnb's where like we can go and investigate. We can go and work, but then we can also open it up to our listeners every once in a while who want to go stay too. And like this would be such a great one.

• 24:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do have a haunted Airbnb.

• 24:31Corinne Vien?

  Technically you do.

• 24:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. In Marblehead, if anyone wants to stay at it. So far, no ghosts have been seen by the two people who have stayed there. Or the two families.

• 24:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 24:47Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly so important. It's like one of those things where getting older and aging has provided me so many anxieties about like what's going on.

• 24:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 26:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh, I haven't even told you about my haunted doll.

• 26:32Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's my other update. But I told you, I have so much to tell you, which is crazy because I've been like bed rotting so much because I'm in a functional freeze. So like, how has so much happened to me? I don't know. But if you're a Patreon member, I purchased a haunted doll. And if you follow us on Instagram, you have seen me post a little story about my haunted doll. Alara. Her name is Alara. So far, nothing's really happened.

• 27:00Corinne Vien?

  Really?

• 27:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I had like one introductory, because when I brought her into the home, I had like a very like, I had to sit down and I welcomed her in and we like got to know each other, or I tried to like welcome her. And I used Ghost Tube and talked to her a bit, but like, it seemed like she was shy. Or like, and I get that if you're coming into a new place. So I was like, get accustomed, do what you want. This is your house, but there are rules. But experience it, love it, have it.

• 27:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 27:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, and then she's said to communicate through dreams, but she's yet to come to me, my dreams.

• 27:35Corinne Vien?

  It does feel like a perfect match, though, because you experience so much in your dreams.

• 27:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 27:39Corinne Vien?

  So maybe she's just getting used to everything.

• 27:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:42Corinne Vien?

  Because it is kind of a scary thing to just be like suddenly shipped off and like, delivered to a new land, a new house.

• 27:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 27:49Corinne Vien?

  There's a person you've never seen before, a creature you've never seen before.

• 27:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And Lea has been totally chill. Like Lea has not reacted in any way the coolest thing. And I told everyone on Campfire Stories is that, so I use Daniel, who, Daniel is a trickster spirit attached to my pendulum. So when I say I use Daniel, I mean I use my pendulum. And when I was asking questions, because I always communicate to Daniel only using the pendulum. So I don't have like other spirits come through. But when I was asking questions, if I was asking Daniel questions, the way my pendulum works, Daniel works, is he'll go back and forth for yes, and he'll go still for no. When I was asking Daniel questions, Daniel would move left to right. But when I would ask Daniel questions about Alara, it would go back and front.

• 28:36Corinne Vien?

  Which doesn't happen with Daniel.

• 28:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, and so it would always switch. But I think it was Daniel answering for Alara, trying to distinguish the difference between his answers and his answering for Alara.

• 28:49Corinne Vien?

  Oh, interesting.

• 28:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that cool?

• 28:51Corinne Vien?

  I hope they get along. What if they fall in love?

• 28:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're sitting next to each other.

• 28:54Corinne Vien?

  What if there's a romance?

• 28:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think Daniel's in love with me, so.

• 28:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, okay. Well, maybe there could be a love triangle.

• 29:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We could, we could have a triangle.

• 29:04Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have some stories picked out. And this one's called "College Possession and a Flying Trashcan." Oh, my.

• 29:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 29:12Corinne Vien?

  Hello, lovely ladies. No, lovely ghosty ladies. I like that. I've written an intro sentence to this email eight times, but nothing feels right. So I'm just gonna hop right into my story instead of overthinking this.

• 29:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There we go. I'm glad that you still sent it and didn't like spend all of eternity on the intro and then never sent it.

• 29:30Corinne Vien?

  That was your intro sentence and it was perfect.

• 29:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was great.

• 29:32Corinne Vien?

  I went to college at SUNY Purchase, a quaint little state school, often ranked one of the top ugliest campuses in the country outside of New York City, hidden in the woods of Westchester County.

• 29:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's hilarious.

• 29:45Corinne Vien?

  I didn't know there were rankings for ugly colleges.

• 29:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, man.

• 29:48Corinne Vien?

  Wait, can we just really quickly pivot and just see some of the ugliest? Ugliest?

• 29:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We should.

• 29:53Corinne Vien?

  College, campus, US. I wanna just see what the number one ugliest is.

• 29:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, it's an Eva Maria University. SUNY Purchase is number five or number four. What makes it ugly? Is it just like concrete buildings?

• 30:07Corinne Vien?

  I'm looking at these and I agree based on photos of these places.

• 30:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but Eva Maria University just looks like, that church looks like a spaceship.

• 30:17Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, now I'm watching reels. Okay, I gotta get back on.

• 30:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but this says it's comical how obtrusive this campus looks with European-flavored buildings surrounding a church. That makes no sense.

• 30:29Corinne Vien?

  Well, if it's still prettier than City Hall in Boston, you're winning.

• 30:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hate that building.

• 30:35Corinne Vien?

  How many years have I brought up how much I hate that building?

• 30:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it's pretty ugly. It does look like it's out of um The Last of Us, like a

• 30:42Corinne Vien?

  It's yeah, it's gross.

• 30:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Apocalyptic, trashy building.

• 30:45Corinne Vien?

  It's yucky. Okay.

• 30:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ew.

• 30:48Corinne Vien?

  Ow, ow.

• 30:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ew.

• 30:50Corinne Vien?

  When I attended, there were a ton of practicing and aspiring witches in the school.

• 30:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, so cool. It might have been ugly on the outside, but it was beautiful on the inside.

• 30:59Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. I mean, if it's attracting that type of group, like this is good vibes. I was in their theater program, which afforded me an opportunity to be surrounded by many of these types of people and foster my own gifts.

• 31:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hell, yeah.

• 31:11Corinne Vien?

  Two of my closest friends lived in an apartment on the part of campus called The Old. It's O L D E, which I like. Old spelling of old.

• 31:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Old.

• 31:20Corinne Vien?

  These were some of the oldest buildings on the campus and were generally in horrible shape. But they were the cheapest apartments, so obviously us starving artists flocked to them.

• 31:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course.

• 31:30Corinne Vien?

  When I became friends with these two people, they explained to me that they believed their apartment was haunted. They had a few anecdotes to support it, but the biggest piece of evidence was a video one of them had taken. They were recording a video audition at their desk and the door to the bedroom was closed behind them. And while this guy was doing his monologue, the door flew open halfway, stopped abruptly, and then began to close itself again, as if someone had just walked into the room, realized they were interrupting something, and then slowly backed away. I was definitely a little spooked, but it didn't stop me from spending almost all of my free time at their place to escape my dorm. One day, I arrived after class to an unlocked, empty apartment, and this was very common since we would lock the bedroom doors.

• 32:14Corinne Vien?

  So I let myself in, I plopped on their couch to do some homework, and further ahead of me and to my right, there was a small hallway that led to the kitchen, but I couldn't see into the space from where I was sat. While I was looking down, I heard something coming directly from the kitchen, so I looked up, I called out, thinking that I'd missed someone when entering, but there was no reply. I looked back down, and a few minutes later, I heard something again. I looked up and tentatively asked if someone was in the kitchen trying to scare me. And all of the sudden, their trash can shot out of the kitchen, flung across the room directly in front of me and slammed into the wall, spilling all of its contents everywhere.

• 32:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a bit rude.

• 32:52Corinne Vien?

  At this, I sprinted outside. I waited on the steps like a sweet little child, waiting for my grown up friends to come home and protect me. And when they arrived, they weren't fully surprised about what happened. And we just essentially continued with life as usual. Over the years, I continued to hear and see things in this apartment. But do you think that this stopped me from moving in my junior year? When a single bedroom opened up?

• 33:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nope.

• 33:16Corinne Vien?

  Absolutely not. When you're a horny college girl, a single is pure fucking gold.

• 33:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dead. Wow.

• 33:27Corinne Vien?

  As soon as I started living there, things got worse. Unless I was in the bedroom, I felt very uncomfortable, like someone was always watching me. I would be looking in my bathroom mirror and suddenly I would see a black figure behind me.

• 33:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 33:40Corinne Vien?

  When I turned, he would be gone. I think the worst was the mimicking. My roommate's name for me was Kate Kate. And she had a very specific way about how she would say it. It felt very cozy and sweet.

• 33:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kate Kate.

• 33:51Corinne Vien?

  Kate Kate. When I started living there, I would hear her say it, then I would go to her room to ask what she wanted. And she would say that she hadn't called out for me. I thought she was messing with me until it started happening when I was there alone. I'd be sitting in my room or in our living room and I'd hear her sweet voice, Kate Kate. Kate Kate, where are you?

• 34:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does seem like the ghost just wants to be your friend.

• 34:12Corinne Vien?

  Throwing a trash can at you?

• 34:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, maybe it was an excited burst of energy because like, it's like, oh, you hear me?

• 34:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Over that semester, the energy in the apartment got worse and worse.

• 34:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, okay, just kidding. Sorry, nevermind.

• 34:26Corinne Vien?

  Everyone who lived there was at each other's throats. It got to the point where no one wanted to be around me. And at this time, I also was in a relationship that was incredibly manipulative and emotionally abusive. And I now believe whatever was in the apartment was feeding off of me. One evening, we decided that we just could not take it anymore. We wanted to try to communicate with this entity directly. Dun dun dun. Despite our horrid semester, we had all signed on to live together in the same apartment next year and knew that we could not keep going as things were. My three roommates, myself and my boyfriend at the time, yes, the horrid one, we all gathered in our living room. We lit candles, we created a sacred circle and attempted to communicate with the entity. Seance. Immediately, I began to not feel well.

• 35:10Corinne Vien?

  It felt as if something had climbed up onto my shoulders and crouched there, thrusting all of its weight onto my back and bending me. I began to curl in on myself. And as this was happening, my roommates were taking my hands and asking the entity to stop, to leave us alone. Oh my god. It got to the point that, sitting cross-legged, I was so curled in on myself, my upper body resembled a sea, kind of like a little pill bug would look all rolled up. I couldn't really comprehend what was going on around me. All I knew was this immense pressure that felt like it was going to push my head into the floor. After what felt like Jesus. Hours, which was probably only twenty or thirty minutes, I felt the pressure ease and then vanish altogether. The room felt lighter, my head felt clearer.

• 35:51Corinne Vien?

  We could all sense that there had been a shift as my roommate began to move and inspect the space. My body then began having this really aggressive reaction to what I just experienced. I was incredibly lightheaded, I was nauseous, I couldn't stand, my legs felt entirely numb. My boyfriend ended up carrying me to my room. I had to take a few days off from school to recover. And after this experience, my relationship with my roommate began to improve. And while we experienced some minor things, our apartment was never as active as it was before. Unsurprisingly, I was pretty scared from this experience. And even though it was ten years ago, I've stayed generally paranormally closed off since then. Though now I do live in a house where a sweet old man died and I think he's trying to communicate with me.

• 36:34Corinne Vien?

  So maybe it's time to commune with the spirits once more. Oh, and then they wrote that they are now married to a guy who grew up in Gloucester, which is like right now where Sabrina and I live. And she said, if you haven't been to Flying Saucer Pizza in Salem, you need to go.

• 36:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have tried to go. It's always packed.

• 36:53Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they don't do any delivery in September and October because of how busy it gets.

• 36:59Corinne Vien?

  It's right next to Gula Gula, which is also great. It's if you're going to Salem and visiting, there is one of the like attractions is like the um

• 37:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bewitched statue.

• 37:09Corinne Vien?

  Statue and it's right in that like little plaza.

• 37:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Plaza.

• 37:12Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this is from Caitlin.

• 37:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, Kate Kate, girly pop. Um, I'm like very glad that after that seance and communication with the spirit, things settled down, but I feel like there was such a, it almost felt like, I can't believe that's how it ended. You know, like it was, it wasn't like there was a resolution to the seance. It was just like, poor Kate Kate was like attacked and convulsing basically due to the spirit. And the spirit, what like, just like, was like, that's all I wanted. I got my fix. Now I get to move on.

• 37:45Corinne Vien?

  I also wonder what Caitlin's roommate and boyfriend of the time had experienced because

• 37:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 37:52Corinne Vien?

  Kate said that she was like curled in into this sort of like sea position and felt the heaviness and all this. And it's like taking a bunch of time. But like, what was everyone else experiencing?

• 38:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or were they all terrified because they saw how seeds like physical body was being?

• 38:05Corinne Vien?

  I think of Stranger Things and how like season two or whatever, how like Billy is like possessed essentially. And it makes me like, I'm visualizing something kind of like slithering in and having ties into Caitlin. And that's why she had to take a few days off of work because it was like ripped out and it's her, her body like puking it back out, regurgitating it all. And it takes some time to like get all the little bits of illness and sickness out of you.

• 38:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that reminds me of Grady Hendrix's other book, My Best Friend's Exorcism, which I read with Ash and Alina for like their Morbid Book Club.

• 38:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 38:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is very similar, like the possession like needed to be vomited out basically.

• 38:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right, well, on to the next story, shall we? This is from Morgan and it is called, "Our ghost hates my husband, and I fucked up as a kid playing with a Ouija board." Oh. I feel like the other theme of this episode is like, partners who suck. Or like, or just like, don't believe. Or don't believe, or are getting attacked by ghosts. Yeah. "Hey, Gouly's, my name is Morgan. Please use my real name. I'm 23. I have been obsessed with the paranormal for as long as I can remember." They might be 25 now, because this was sent in 2023. "I was always the friend that wanted to watch horror movies and play scary games growing up. I'd literally be a paranormal investigator if I could." You can be. Yeah. Yeah. I know what they mean, like, to be funded, like, yeah.

• 39:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Morgan said, "I have done my fair share of attempting to contact spirits, and I even went and visited St. Ignatius Hospital to do an investigation about a year and a half ago. Hmm. And even though I've made myself quite vulnerable to the other side, I don't have too many experiences to share. The ones I do have, though, might be a little refreshing to check out between the terrifying stories sent in by other listeners, although I feel like some of these are gonna be terrifying, so. I'm not totally sure that any of these are really podcast-worthy. They are, absolutely. But feel free to pick and choose. I'll start off by talking about the ghost that has been hanging out around my current apartment, who seems to hate my husband. "I personally have only seen this thing once. It was early in the morning around 6 a.m., and I woke up before my alarm.

• 40:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was making breakfast for my daughter, who I'll call Elle, before I took her to school. I was standing by the kitchen sink when, out of the corner of my eye, I saw a figure walk through my living room, down the hall, towards our bedrooms. It was pretty blurry, and considering I was still pretty tired, I had most of the lights off. But from what I did see, it looked like a woman in a white, flowy dress. Nothing happened after that, and it was the only time I've ever seen it. Whatever or whoever this is, it is not a big fan of my husband, because he has seen it multiple times, actually pretty frequently, and there are many mornings where I'll wake up and he'll say he saw a figure in the middle of the night. One evening, we were in our bedroom. I think we were getting ready to leave the house, but he had walked out of the bedroom, and I was about to follow him out.

• 41:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But before I had gotten out of the room, he yelled something like, 'What the fuck?'" And when I came out, he told me that the half-bottle of Pure Leaf Tea that was sitting on the coffee table was literally thrown at him. I emphasize that it was half full because I guess I could come up with the sort of reasoning for it flying off the table if it were empty. But no, it had enough liquid in it for not to just fly off the table randomly.

• 41:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that was the first experience he had there.

• 41:28Corinne Vien?

  My first thought, whenever there's an object on a counter flying, I'm like, ghost cat.

• 41:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, but this feels like it's lobbed, like lobbed at him.

• 41:36Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 41:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not knocked off.

• 41:38Corinne Vien?

  So, something aggressive.

• 41:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, or thirsty. I don't know. Another time, early in the morning, we had just spoken up and he had to run to go to the store to get something. But to backtrack for a second before I get to this encounter, when I moved into this apartment, it was just my daughter and I, and the previous tenant had installed a baby lock on the front door. My daughter is six now, and she cannot set the lock by herself, and she still cannot open the door if the baby lock is up. But okay, back to that morning. He got up, he left to go to the store, I was still in bed, and my daughter was in her room watching TV. Neither of us had left our rooms yet. A couple of minutes go by and I hear a knock at the door. I got up to check it, looked out at the peephole, and saw my husband. And it was then that I noticed that the baby lock was up. I'll say it again, my daughter and I had not left our rooms, and you can

• 42:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  only set the baby lock if you're inside the house. So it was very clear that this thing did not want my husband inside with us.

• 42:29Corinne Vien?

  Wow. He's super targeted. I wonder why.

• 42:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like this woman or this spirit must have like some trauma when it comes to men. Like, I think about dogs. Like, I remember when my family got Ruby, my mom's dog or my family dog. She was a scared dog in general, but she was petrified of men.

• 42:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because she clearly had been abused in some way. And even now, she'll like bark at men.

• 42:51Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 42:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trust your pets.

• 42:54Corinne Vien?

  Trust your pets.

• 42:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now I have two other notable experiences that have taken place in this apartment that I'll keep short. One of them was, it was the middle of the night, all of us were asleep, my daughter was on the couch, and my husband and I were in our room. We have a hall closet that's in direct view from our bedroom, which was open because Elle was sleeping on the couch. All of a sudden, both my husband and I woke up at the exact same time. I don't remember why, but maybe we heard a noise? Anyway, we both turned our heads towards the hall closet and suddenly, it is pulled open. And I don't mean slowly opened, it was as if someone grabbed the handle, pulled the door very quickly, and then opened it and stopped. We were scared shitless. Also, the fact that they both woke up at the same time.

• 43:32Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Last one. My younger brother was staying the night with us and he was out on the couch and the rest of us had gone to bed. He was just lying down when the coffee table aggressively started shaking on its own. We live in central Oregon and we don't get earthquakes here. None of us have an explanation. But the best part is he got it on video and all included at the end.

• 43:52Corinne Vien?

  No way. And they did, they remembered?

• 43:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 43:54Corinne Vien?

  Okay, because sometimes people forget.

• 43:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  People, often people forget.

• 43:58Corinne Vien?

  Oftentimes, people forget to include their attachments.

• 44:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Here, we can, since we're talking about it right now, let's.

• 44:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like, nothing else is shaking?

• 44:09Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 44:12Corinne Vien?

  See, that, the way that it's shaking is exactly how the beds in my family's house would shake.

• 44:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Would shake?

• 44:20Corinne Vien?

  Which, you know what's interesting is that happened again when I was home for the 4th of July.

• 44:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To you?

• 44:25Corinne Vien?

  And it only happens at my parents' house. I like, don't experience it really anywhere else.

• 44:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so weird.

• 44:29Corinne Vien?

  Maybe I have like, once or twice, but like, primarily just there. I don't know what ghost isn't to do that.

• 44:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Shaking the bed?

• 44:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 44:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The one that wants to eat your zucchinis?

• 44:38Corinne Vien?

  Little, but like, it's like that. It's not like a big rock, it's like the.

• 44:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like a vibration. It's like an earthquake.

• 44:44Corinne Vien?

  It's a, it feels like that.

• 44:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But nothing else is moving around you.

• 44:47Corinne Vien?

  Nothing else.

• 44:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's just weird.

• 44:49Corinne Vien?

  One structure.

• 44:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't get it. It's because monsters live under the bed, obviously.

• 44:53Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, frequently, our daughter came into our room at night and just stood at the end of our bed waiting for us to wake up. We recently had another baby, who I'll call F, whose toys have started to go off by themselves.

• 45:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. But now I have one more story that I want to share that takes place in my childhood home. I had two friends over, we were all probably 14 or 15, and I'll call them A and M. We decided we wanted to do a Ouija board. And now, I'm not someone who's against them. And I even have one here in the closet at my apartment now that I'll bust out from time to time. But anyway, at the time, we didn't have an actual Ouija board, so we decided we would make one. Got a couple of pieces of cardboard, which I think came from pizza boxes. We lined them up, wrote all of the letters, and gathered some candles. We only had tea lights, so I stole some of my mom's candle jars from the living room, filled them with the tea lights, surrounded the board with them, and then we started. And to our disappointment, probably because we were using a makeshift board, nothing came through.

• 45:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or so we thought. Nothing spoke to us through the board, but what did happen was even scarier. We were kind of over it because nothing was coming through the board, and we were just sitting on the ground talking, when all of a sudden, one of the jars with the tea lights in it shattered. And I know that fire can cause glass to break, but- Yeah, but a tea light does not emit enough heat to shatter a glass. And these are literal jars that came out of a candle holder. They had candles lit in them all the time, and that had never happened before. At that point, we decided to end our session. I cleaned up the glass, and we went on with our night. But from that night on, for months, weird shit would happen to me and Em. We'd wake up at the same time every night in our own independent houses. We would both hear things, and then there's one thing that happened that scared me the most.

• 46:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was when I was home alone. Our back door had one of those doorknobs that was always unlocked on the inside. So even if it were locked, you could still open it from inside the house, but it was locked on the outside. We didn't use it often, so it always just stayed locked. One day, I was alone at the house in my room, probably talking to strangers on the internet, as he did, when all of a sudden I heard the back door creak open. And then bang, it slammed shut. I was the only one home, and the back door was on the other side of the house. It took me a while because I was terrified, but I finally got up to go check it out. The door was locked, so there was no way that someone had opened it from the outside. Whatever opened it was inside the house with me. Oh, so spooky.

• 47:17Corinne Vien?

  Although I I almost would rather I go be in the house than outside. It feels like their ability to just like walk across lands and come knocking to your house feels way more targeted than just someone that exists in your space.

• 47:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 47:32Corinne Vien?

  That you're like moving around.

• 47:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's like so it's so intentional and wants your attention.

• 47:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 47:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  After a while, the experiences kind of stopped and I forgot about it. But I do have more stories, including some experiences I had while working at a haunted beauty supply store. Yes, please, we want to hear it. Here's a video of the coffee table. And thanks for reading. You said leave our phone numbers. I don't have any reason to because I don't have any stories that need updates, but I'll leave it in case you want to be friends with a stranger from the internet. From Morgan.

• 48:03Corinne Vien?

  Dang, I mean, that's a lot of activity.

• 48:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The fact that Morgan and M would wake up at the exact same time.

• 48:08Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 48:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At night in their independent homes and hear noises.

• 48:12Corinne Vien?

  They're tethered somehow.

• 48:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Ouija board demon.

• 48:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I guess so. Ah, it's just confusing because it's like there's a lot of activity and there's a lot of like trying to grab her attention or trying to just be with her, but then it's like, again, like you said with the last two stories where it's like, what's the end result? Like, what do we? What do we get from it? And that's, we still don't entirely have answers.

• 48:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have no answers.

• 48:34Corinne Vien?

  Which I guess is, that's just how things are.

• 48:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's the paranormal. That's also just life, you know?

• 48:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 48:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know? I guess like when you hear of Ouija board stories generally, that's not the worst encounter?

• 48:47Corinne Vien?

  No. But it still means that something has escaped the Ouija board. Like outside of you closing and and doing everything, you know, like to have that experience is a little bit scary because it's like, what has been unleashed?

• 49:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or positive spin, which is a plot twist coming from me. There already was a spirit or some guardian or something in Morgan's home. Who was like, how about we stop doing this because we don't know what you're gonna open up because nothing happened on the board, right?

• 49:15Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 49:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then the candle broke. Or the glass jar broke, which made them stop using the board. And like, yes, Morgan and M started having these like weird occurrences, but maybe it would have been 10 times worse had they continued to use the board.

• 49:30Corinne Vien?

  That's true.

• 49:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 49:31Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. My mind just like totally went into the movie Talk To Me, which I think is one of the best horror movies.

• 49:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, it's so good.

• 49:38Corinne Vien?

  In existence. Yeah.

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• 50:43Corinne Vien?

  I have a story that's also kind of an update. So we had read on encounters 71.

• 50:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God.

• 50:52Corinne Vien?

  So October 23rd, 2019.

• 50:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Moons ago.

• 50:55Corinne Vien?

  We had read a story from Sarah about their family who lived in upstate New York and lived in this like Dutch colonial style home and experienced a ton of hauntings.

• 51:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 51:05Corinne Vien?

  So it was all about just like the different stuff. Their father was having a lot of outbursts of anger. There was some like abusive behavior and they were just like really scared and there was a ton of activity.

• 51:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. And we have an update?

• 51:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And it had deemed it the house of unfortunate events.

• 51:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 51:21Corinne Vien?

  So there was an update sent a year later, which somehow we missed because we always ask for updates, but this was sent in 2020. So long overdue for us to read this. Hello, girls. I wanted to respond back to you with an update on my scary AF house. It's been a while since I wrote to you and recently I started having dreams about my old house again.

• 51:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's calling you back. It's literally haunting a Phil house.

• 51:48Corinne Vien?

  Scary. Okay. In my last email, I had told you that my dreams are recurring and sometimes they're good dreams, sometimes they're terrifying. But once again, I feel compelled to go back to this house and this time not alone. So I brought my best friend Katie, who's also a huge fan of the podcast and true believer of the spiritual world. We decided to go to the house earlier today, which is August 2nd, 2020, equipped with ghost hunting communication tools, so an app, rosary beads, and my two little fur babies, Leo and Bernie. This is a good crew. This is a good crew. Yeah. When we got to the bottom of the hill that the house is on, I pulled over to the side of the road because I wanted to turn on the encounters episode number 71, where you guys read my initial email, because I wanted to add the spooky vibes to the car.

• 52:33Corinne Vien?

  I love it. Also, does anyone live there right now? Probably. I don't know. Okay. Initially, the episode refused to play in my car. I tried about four times. Great. While I was pulled over on the side of the road, I happened to glance back in my rearview mirror at the perfect time to see a black cat crossing the road behind us. And keep in mind that this road is very remote. Okay. We proceeded up the hill to the house to find that the house is currently being lived in for the first time in a while. On the side of the house is a gravel, not heavily traveled, road and path that leads deep into the woods behind the house. I love that. Sorry, just trespassing. I know. This gravel path leads deep into the woods behind the house, and the

• 53:15Corinne Vien?

  path was one that I used to go on for walks frequently as a child. This was the path that ultimately led my father to the graves that are on the property. And this is not a privately owned road. Well, my friend Katie and I decided to drive down the path today. As soon as we got on the road, my dog Bernie instantly started whining, moving all over the place, acting very uneasy, very upset. Bernie. We continued to drive until we decided that it was best to turn around and avoid getting trapped or stuck somewhere that we shouldn't be. On our way out, we were met with a black cat standing in the middle of the path in front of us. And as we slowly approached this black cat, it leaped into the tall grass on the side of the path and seemingly vanished. So at this point, we decided we should head over to the- Follow it.

• 54:00Corinne Vien?

  Follow, run.

• 54:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The cat is appearing to you. You follow.

• 54:04Corinne Vien?

  It's also, it feels like a warning too. At this point, we decided to head over to the other side of town to get to the other end of the path so that we could enter that way to see if it was any more or any less active and scary. And as an attempt to locate the gravestones that we know are on the property somewhere. And this time, shit got real. We made sure that our app was turned on to see if we were able to communicate with whatever resides within the forest. We drove about two minutes into the path and the path got too rocky for us to continue driving. So we stopped the car. At that moment, my car turned off on its own. The app started to communicate with us. And the first word that we received from the other side was the word hell.

• 54:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe it was trying to say hello.

• 54:47Corinne Vien?

  Maybe.

• 54:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's dyslexic.

• 54:50Corinne Vien?

  Or just forgot the O.

• 54:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 54:52Corinne Vien?

  I instantly panicked. My friend grabbed a hold of me and then grabbed her rosary beads. And since the path is straight and narrow, I had no choice but to back all the way up to the entrance because I could not turn anywhere around. So while I'm backing up my car, we turned around several times because it seemed as though the road just kept getting longer and longer. And the road that only took us two minutes to drive in is now taking us 10 minutes to back out of. And it's safe to say that we are absolutely terrified. We also received the words on the app while we were backing out of the path that included, "I can hear you out. Ask us." It's weird because they've already been to the other side of the path and the house and that nothing was coming through. But they're near the graves. They're near the cemetery.

• 55:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spirits there. I'm like scared for you, Sarah, but I'm also like, but you did this yourself. But the house did call you back. So like, is there even free will here?

• 55:47Corinne Vien?

  And is it, is it the black cat? Is it Thackeray Binks calling you back? So then we decided we should go grab lunch and have a picnic chat about what we had just experienced. After lunch, we decided to go back one more time. And this time, we decided we're not going to drive down the path because we are way too scared. Rather, we decided to just park at the entrance of the path next to the house and use the app to see if we got any more responses to our questions. At first, nothing happened. We felt nothing. And then the air got thicker and we started feeling a little more anxious. And the app said, answer them. And we said, who are we supposed to answer to? And out of absolutely nowhere, a vintage style truck emerged right in front of our eyes from down the path, coming directly at us.

• 56:32Corinne Vien?

  I backed up, sped out like a bat out of hell, and the app said, behind, and it is here. And then the truck vanished. On our way home, we set intentions. We announced that we are protected, that anything that may come along with us is not welcome in our space or in our home. And the app then said, finished, and had no more responses after that.

• 56:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why does that car remind me of Satan's sedan?

• 56:58Corinne Vien?

  It does.

• 57:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What the heck?

• 57:02Corinne Vien?

  I have never been so scared in my life or experienced full body chills since the day that this happened. Katie and I are officially shook. Also, to answer your question from before, when you read my original story, I have watched Haunting of Hill House. And it really did hit home because of all the similarities that my family and that house had and how it keeps calling me back there for some reason. I feel like the reason is something that I will never really know, but would like to learn more about what happened on that property. So maybe some type of closure can be found for either me or for the spirits who are trapped there. XOXO, Sarah, Katie, Leo, and Bernie.

• 57:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I feel like we have to be able to find out history of this house, especially if there's like graves, like,

• 57:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 57:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are there not records of who owned this home prior?

• 57:48Corinne Vien?

  I love when people in their emails have like photos of them.

• 57:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 57:52Corinne Vien?

  Like not just like as attachments, but you know, like when someone sends you an email, like on Gmail or whatever, you can create like a profile picture. I just like seeing who sends this email. We'll keep your private, but here's Sarah.

• 58:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi, Sarah.

• 58:04Corinne Vien?

  Sarah, you look like you could go on a ghost hunt with us.

• 58:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I feel like everyone who listens to this podcast is good to go on a ghost hunt with us.

• 58:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 58:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You've passed the,

• 58:12Corinne Vien?

  You passed our test.

• 58:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You listen, so you can come.

• 58:15Corinne Vien?

  Your, your,

• 58:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The standards are really low. Actually, I've been getting like even more excited about this. And I know we've thrown it out kind of as a, oh, offhanded thing that we'll do, but I want so badly next summer to do a spooky summer camp. For like a week in the woods, we are the camp counselors. How much fun would it be?

• 58:35Corinne Vien?

  I need a whistle. That's my only requirement. I want a whistle and a clipboard.

• 58:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, we can get both of those things for you. Yeah.

• 58:42Corinne Vien?

  And I'm never gonna write anything on the clipboard. It's just a problem.

• 58:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You just need to have it. Yeah. But you refer to it all the time, as if there's a lot written on there.

• 58:48Corinne Vien?

  There's my script.

• 58:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:49Corinne Vien?

  It's a good way to avoid making eye contact in socially anxious situations.

• 58:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which you always need something.

• 58:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I have a story for us to end on, and it is called "A Ghost Went Through My Boyfriend."

• 59:03Corinne Vien?

  Were you jealous?

• 59:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it happened close to St. Augustine.

• 59:06Corinne Vien?

  So maybe I'm jealous.

• 59:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, maybe you are. But okay, this is from our listener McKenna. "Hi ladies, love the pod. So my boyfriend and I live in Jacksonville, Florida, which is about 40 minutes from St. Augustine. St. Augustine is the oldest city in America and is very haunted, especially the lighthouse. Shout out Andrew. Andrew, I don't know why I said it like, ah."

• 59:27Corinne Vien?

  Which is a reference to Andrew Ranson, the pirate, in case someone's coming in who hasn't listened to, I don't know, episode four of Dugles.

• 59:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, right. You know, a lot has changed over the years. We're not the same ghouls we once were.

• 59:39Corinne Vien?

  No, but we will reference and refer to Andrew Ranson, the ghost pirate of St. Augustine.

• 59:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Often.

• 59:45Corinne Vien?

  At least four times a year.

• 59:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like our biggest references are episode 12, Dominus, Andrew Ranson, the story of the person feeling the ceiling. Uh, what else?

• 1:00:00Corinne Vien?

  Who is our, the spirit haunting the podcast, whose name is not Sven, but a listener deemed it as Sven. And then that spirit said that they were chill with that.

• 1:00:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, exactly. All right. So the lighthouse offers goes towards every weekend. Normally, you sit in a group of 50 people and you get the cheesy stories. But however, once every few months, they offer a self-guided ghost investigation with only twenty-five slots.

• 1:00:24Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 1:00:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So of course, we signed up. Let me add, I've always been into the paranormal, but I've never had a true encounter myself. My boyfriend believes in the paranormal to an extent, but truthfully said we could do this because he knew that I wanted to.

• 1:00:37Corinne Vien?

  Hmm. Wait, where were they in St. Augustine?

• 1:00:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The lighthouse.

• 1:00:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh, the lighthouse.

• 1:00:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Andrew's home.

• 1:00:42Corinne Vien?

  Sorry, I got distracted thinking about those gluten-free rolls we had at that one restaurant.

• 1:00:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, those were really good.

• 1:00:47Corinne Vien?

  It was biscuit. It was a biscuit.

• 1:00:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, let me tell you, after this, my boyfriend is quite the believer now. When we got there, we met two guys who had all their own high-tech equipment and had been ghost hunting for years. They gave us some tips, told us about an app we could download on our phone that was like five dollars and supposed to work like a spirit box. So, my boyfriend and I end up going down some paths that lead into the woods because it was more than just the lighthouse to investigate. And I'll attach a photo of the entire grounds. It's like a map. We get down this path, we're using the Spirit Box app, and all of a sudden, it says, "Be fearful." So I immediately say, "Yes, ghost, I hear you," and I run the other way. It then says, "Ha, ha." And in that exact moment, my boyfriend's body gets covered with chills.

• 1:01:32Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Keep in mind, it is June in Florida, so it is extremely hot and extremely humid. I felt nothing. Anyway, we had a couple other encounters throughout this night, but that was insane. And he believes that a spirit went through him in that exact moment.

• 1:01:46Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:01:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you, ladies, for entertaining me. Hopefully, I will experience something like that in the future. P.S. I just bought some dowsing rods. I'm also attaching a picture I took of my boyfriend's arm when he got the chills from the ghost. We assumed walked through him or touched him.

• 1:01:59Corinne Vien?

  Those are some really intense chili willies.

• 1:02:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Chili willies.

• 1:02:02Corinne Vien?

  Um, okay, well, I totally believe that because it seems like it was like a fun joke for the ghost.

• 1:02:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ha, ha.

• 1:02:08Corinne Vien?

  Yes. Just like sprinting through, "Ha, ha."

• 1:02:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ha, ha, got you. Tag, you're it.

• 1:02:13Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:02:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He didn't run fast enough.

• 1:02:14Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:02:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honestly, playing tag.

• 1:02:16Corinne Vien?

  How fast do you have to run to outrun a ghost?

• 1:02:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so funny, speaking of like how we've changed over the years, I remember early days of our podcast, I was like, yeah, like I always want to be able to run like five miles just like to have a leg up on my competition. Like, I know, like, I can run, I can outrun for at least five miles. Like, that's a good amount of distance to run if, like, something's coming after you. I think I could run. Run like one right now.

• 1:02:40Corinne Vien?

  No, you would run more, but you wouldn't have to because if you were with me, I'd be a lot slower. They'd catch me first.

• 1:02:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, if we were together, I would not leave you behind. I would attack.

• 1:02:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually think about this a lot. So there's a park near my sister's place that like, it's a little bit seedy. Where like I was there with Noa at like 10 a.m. And there was a really, really creepy guy who was drinking beer, walking through the park at like 10 a.m. And he stopped and stared at us and I truly was like, immediately ran through like all the things that I would do and like the weirdest shit I could do to try to like freak him out. And I think my instinct, while yes, it is to run, I think if like I got caught, I would just like be weirdest fucking like,

• 1:03:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Make my body all langley and like,

• 1:03:25Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:03:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Start making weird noises.

• 1:03:27Corinne Vien?

  Well, I think people also think about fighting as like a normal like punch or hit or kick, like scoop eyeballs out.

• 1:03:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Corinne Vien?

  Bite their ears off, like take a chunk out of their lip.

• 1:03:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Corinne Vien?

  Do it like do the things that make you think that you're gonna faint and vomit.

• 1:03:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:03:43Corinne Vien?

  And like,

• 1:03:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fight scrappy.

• 1:03:44Corinne Vien?

  Mutilate them. Sorry.

• 1:03:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, but like truly.

• 1:03:47Corinne Vien?

  To like do the thing that they're not expecting.

• 1:03:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Um, that's a good way to end this episode.

• 1:03:52Corinne Vien?

  Don't hex, mutilate.

• 1:03:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If it's deserved.

• 1:03:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, protect yourself and protect the young.

• 1:04:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Protect the young, especially if they love Bigfoot.

• 1:04:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, the Bigfoot, we gotta make sure Bigfoot lovers make it.

• 1:04:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A new generation of Bigfoot lovers and it's important to protect them.

• 1:04:09Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. Scare before getting scared.

• 1:04:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But we also want to get scared by you and all of your encounters that you've had with the paranormal and the other side. So please email us at [email protected]. We're accepting any and all stories. So email them. Send us your ghost photos, your ghost videos. Join us on Patreon if you want episodes one week early and ad free.

• 1:04:30Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces this podcast. Thank you, Jamie.

• 1:04:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love all of you.

• 1:04:35Corinne Vien?

  And we will. See you on the other side.

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