Bonus Episode: A Big Announcement, The True Crime and Grime of the Chelsea Hotel, and More

Disgos, we’ve got some big news—and you’re hearing it first. Also, Patti Smith has us asking (and answering), which movies about the Chelsea Hotel are worth watching, plus your voicemails, texts, DMs and more on the greatest music memoirs. For more great stories, check out our archive of over 250 episodes, featuring artists like: Mia Zapata https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mia-zapata-missed-connections-the-dark-end-of/id1275172907?i=1000748978015 Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lisa-left-eye-lopes-hit-me-again-and-ill-burn-your-house-down/id1275172907?i=1000599291048 Metallica https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/metallica-thrash-metal-murder-and-the-death-of-cliff-burton/id1275172907?i=1000664426254 See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:44Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:11Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission here to uncover the truth, to confront the myth and to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we've got some big news to announce and we're doing a recap on Patti Smith and the true crime and grime at the Chelsea Hotel back in the day, previewing next week's episode on Grace Jones. Plus, we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history

• 2:53Jake Brennan?

  that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:15Jake Brennan?

  Happy first week of April, Discos. Listen, I've got some exciting news for you that I've been having a hard time keeping quiet about, and I'm going to spill it right here, right now. Disgrace Land and Hollywood Land are now part of the Exactly Right Network and the iHeart Podcast Network. Exactly Right is the production company founded by two badasses named Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstack, who the world knows as the wildly successful hosts of the My Favorite Murder Podcast. I've been friends with Karen and Georgia for a while now. They were two of the first established podcasters to support

• 3:55Jake Brennan?

  Disgrace Land. Back in the first month of Disgrace Land's existence, they talked about the show on their podcast on My Favorite Murder. They appeared with me a couple of years later, about a year and a half later, at my book signing in Los Angeles. They had me guest on an episode of My Favorite Murder a couple of years after that. And we always kind of felt like- We were going to eventually work with each other in some way, and now we are. Exactly Right is part of the iHeart Podcast Network, so that means that Disgrace Land is now once again part of iHeart, and I could not be happier about that. I had the best time working with iHeart previously. The folks over there who work there, they really, really

• 4:38Jake Brennan?

  know how to support talent. So this is a match made in podcast heaven, as somebody said a couple of weeks ago. So what does all this mean for you guys, the listeners? Well, it means that you're with me as always, and now a bunch of other potentially new fans of Disgrace Land who are going to hear about this show now on a regular basis from the folks at Exactly Right and iHeart. And we're all going hand in hand, full steam ahead into this next phase of the show together. The Murderinos, the fans of My Favorite Murder, are some of the most passionate podcast and true crime fans on the planet. And like Karen and Georgia, I know that they have great taste in music. So the ones that I've met

• 5:19Jake Brennan?

  have told me this, the ones that I've spoken to online, I can tell. So this is really, really going to be a great partnership. We've got some exciting conversations going on about how to grow Disgrace Land even bigger than it already is, about potential new content, new storytelling. Maybe I'll start making some more appearances out there in the world this year and on other podcasts. I'm not really sure yet what I'm going to be doing, but all I know is that it just feels good to once again have partners to help myself and the folks over here at Double Elvis. And the fact that it's these partners, partners who really get the show, partners who really get me as a creative person, I am just stoked, okay? And I think you guys are going to be stoked as well with the results. Now, if

• 6:03Jake Brennan?

  for some reason you have not heard of or heard My Favorite Murder, it's quite literally one of the biggest podcasts on the planet. What Karen and Georgia have built with their show and now with the Exactly Right Network is super impressive. I was out at their studio in LA a couple of weeks ago, and I was blown away by their growing empire and also frankly by the folks who work at Exactly Right. They couldn't have been cooler or more supportive of Disgrace Land and Hollywoodland. They're true fans. Same goes for the iHeart folks that I ran into in Austin a few weeks before that. When I was out in LA, though, at Exactly Right, I sat down to film an episode of My Favorite Murder

• 6:48Jake Brennan?

  with Karen and Georgia. That's out today. You can watch that on Netflix right now, or listen to it on Apple Podcasts, or in the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. This interview, though, it's going to give you guys some insight into our friendship, how it's grown over the years, and likely some history on DisgraceLand that you've never heard before. So, check that out. DisgraceLand has been independent since 2023, and we've had a lot of offers to partner with folks at some pretty awesome networks, podcast professionals who are making great, award-winning, culture-shifting content.

• 7:30Jake Brennan?

  But in the end, we decided to go with Exactly Right and iHeart, mainly because of the comfort level that I have with these folks as a creator, as a writer, as an artist, as a podcaster. Karen, Georgia, the folks at Exactly Right, they really understand the show, and the absolute pros over iHeart totally understand talent and how to give talent the right tools to grow. So, that's why we made this jump when we made it. And you can hear it in my voice. I'm stoked. Zeth, Matt, Jamie, everybody here at Double Elvis, we're all super excited. And you're gonna get some of that excitement in the Netflix, My Favorite Murder interview that's up on Netflix right now. And also, like I said, it's available in audio wherever you get your podcasts. So, check that out.

• 8:14Jake Brennan?

  You know what else is available right now? Something else that I'm very excited about. Something that we've been working very hard on these last few weeks. Harder than we... Not to say that we don't give every episode our all, but something about this Patti Smith story really, really pulled us in. And it's a unique take on her story that you're not going to get anywhere else. I'm pretty hyped on the production and what Matt put together with the score and the audio, and we worked with our old friend Ryan on the score as well. And just cannot wait for you to hear this Patti Smith episode of DisgraceLand if you have not already. Now, if you have heard it, you're, you're fully aware of how this is a true crime story.

• 8:59Jake Brennan?

  But if you haven't, you might be saying to yourself, wait a minute. Patti Smith's story is true crime? Patti Smith didn't kill anyone. Patti Smith was never busted for anything serious. So how is Patti Smith a subject of disgraceland? Well, as you'll hear when you listen, or as you might have already heard, Patti Smith's story is steeped in true crime. Kidnapping, Charles Manson, the son of Sam, chalk outlines of dead bodies on the New York streets, blood splattered walls, junkie poets, shotgun wielding novelists. This episode has it all with the godmother of punk at the center of it. You're gonna dig it, trust me.

• 9:44Jake Brennan?

  Now, Patti Smith's story takes place in part at the Chelsea Hotel in the late 60s and early 70s. A hotel where a lot of great culture was created, a lot of drugs were taken. Some people died, some people lived to tell about it. And because of all this, this lore, the Chelsea has been depicted in numerous movies. Some good, some bad. And Zeth and I are going to talk about our favorites in the exclusive section of this after party. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member of disgraceland to unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad free listening. Okay.

• 10:29Jake Brennan?

  New Patti Smith, that's the episode in your feed right now. Rewind episode coming this Sunday. Yes, again, if you didn't get the message last week, rewinds are now on Sunday. The rewind episode this week, right after this after party bonus episode that you are listening to, our rewind episode, we're dipping back into our archive of over 250 episodes to bring you our Taylor Swift story and the batshit craziness that involves her many, many stalkers and the lengths Taylor Swift has had to go through to just keep making music and, you know, keep herself safe. You're not going to want to miss this if you haven't heard it. And if you have heard it, you know, it's there for you to check out again on your Sunday. Sundays are a good, good podcast listening day. They really are.

• 11:14Jake Brennan?

  Kind of break away. I know, I know everyone's got their routines, you know, but I'm, I'm typically making podcasts during the week, you know, I don't have a commute. So I'm, I'm, I'm listening on Sundays. Maybe you're like me. I don't know. Let me know. Let me know when you listen to podcasts and how, what your podcast listening routine is. I'm curious. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text at disgracelandpod on the socials. Hit me up in the Patreon chat as well. That's a surefire way to get my attention quickly. But back to the agenda here, we've got, like I said, Patti Smith, new episode right now. Taylor Swift Rewind coming up next after this bonus after party. And then next week, our new episode on Grace Jones. And I don't know about you guys, but for me, growing up in the eighties and the nineties,

• 11:59Jake Brennan?

  I was kind of like, who the hell is this person? Who is Grace Jones? She's beautiful. She's hot. She's sexy, but she's also masculine, you know? But it's this weird contrast and she was in the eighties and nineties, more so the eighties. She was everywhere. But I was always kind of like, what the hell? What does she do? What's her thing? Is she a singer? Is she an actor? Is she Max Headroom's mistress? Why, why do I care? Why don't I care more? Well, we dug into Grace Jones and surprise, there's a bunch of true crime at the core, at the heart of her story. And bonus, I got to learn more about this incredible artist when we get into making this episode. So when you're listening to it, when you're listening to the new episode on Grace Jones

• 12:44Jake Brennan?

  next week and thinking about Grace Jones and her multi hyphenate career, try to answer this question. Which of your favorite musicians successfully made the transition to acting? Or conversely, which of your favorite actors successfully made the transition to becoming a rock star? 617-906-6638. Call me, leave me a voicemail with your answer. Send me a text if you're shy. Hit me up at disgracelandpod on the socials. [email protected] on email. All right, Discos, I want to hear from you guys right now, actually. So 617-906-6638 to get in touch, your voicemails and texts on last week's question of the week

• 13:29Jake Brennan?

  on the other side of this break.

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• 14:43Jake Brennan?

  Okay, so you want to be a rock and roll star? Then listen now, hear what I say. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall, Disco 617-906-6638. Last week's question of the week was all about your favorite musician memoirs, inspired by our episode on Patti Smith and her incredible memoir, Just Kids. Won the National Book Award for that. And I asked you guys what you thought, and you gave me some great answers on your favorite music memoirs. Let's hear from Daniel in the 707. Hey Jake, this is Daniel from beautiful, sunny Humboldt County, California. Thank you, climate change. Not sure if you've ever had a 707 area call before, but here you go.

• 15:23Jake Brennan?

  So as to the autobiography question slash suggestion, I've been very much enjoying the punk and pre-punk bands of the 70s you've been covering. And just this last month, I read the book Cheetah Chrome: A Dead Boy's Tale by the guitarist of The Dead Boys, who, uh, he was originally from Rocket from the Tombs, but then he joined The Dead Boys, which was a very early, very engaging punk band in the mid, early Seventies, very much a part of that whole New York CBGB, Max's Kansas City time and place that's so fascinating and you've been covering a lot of. He knew and he ran and he played with all of those key bands, you know, Ramones, Iggy Pop, the guys from the

• 16:08Jake Brennan?

  Dolls, Johnny Thunders, Richard Hill from TV, television, I mean. And, you know, the book is, it's equal parts self-serving, vulnerable, egotistical, all the classic rock and roll punk stuff we know and love. So that's kind of my suggestion. It's a little bit of a deep cut. Dead Boys not really talked about enough as a band. So, cool. Thank you. Bye. Daniel, Daniel, Daniel, thank you for your voice memo and reminding me that we need to do an episode on The Dead Boys, or perhaps just on Stiv Baters. But this sounds like the, the main research source is Cheetah Chrome's book, which you're mentioning here, and I appreciate you for that. I've always wanted to do an episode on Stiv Baters. This

• 16:52Jake Brennan?

  is one of the first I considered doing way back in the day. Prior to that first batch of stories, it was on the list with Jerry Lee Lewis, Sidney Nancy, the Norwegian Black Metal Murders, Sam Cooke, Lisa Left Eye Lopez, all that stuff. And The Dead Boys were on that list. I think because, I don't, I don't remember if I read about Stiv Baters' death for the first time in the legs McNeil's, please kill me. But that book was instrumental in getting me to start this podcast. And just the idea that, the way I heard it or read it, I can't remember, Stiv Baters was hit by a car and refused to go to the hospital,

• 17:34Jake Brennan?

  he's used to punk rock or whatever, and ended up succumbing to his injuries and dying, which is just mind blowing to me. And I'm sure that's all in Cheetah Chrome's memoir, and I can't wait to get into it. Thank you, Daniel, for your voicemail. Appreciate it. All right, same subject. Let's go to the nine one six.

• 17:52Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, this is Mr. Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina, calling in to respond to the question of the week about the best rock and roll autobiographies or memoirs. And I guess if I was being cheeky, I would say Cash by Johnny Cash, but it's not. It's not even a rock and roll memoir, quite frankly. The book is Born Standing Up by Steve Martin. You know, I read this when I was starting to get into stand-up comedy and was doing some shows locally, and I wanted to go back and read about the great comedy luminaries. And quite frankly, I didn't even understand Steve Martin. When I was a kid in the 90s, he was already into his father of the bride, cheaper by the dozen phase. But I went and read the book, and it's incredible.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  And, you know, what struck me, it was so interesting, is that, you know, Steve Martin got a job at Disneyland when he was 10 years old. He worked there till he was 18. By the time he was 20, he was doing a dozen shows a week at the Magic Store at Knott's Berry Farm. And, I mean, if you want to think about it in Malcolm Gladwell sense, I mean, he got his 10,000 hours by the time he even reached maturity. So it's no surprise that he burst onto the scene. He was a fully formed comedian and was a rock star in his own right. So much so that he quit comedy when he was 30 years old at the peak of his powers. And it was just a fascinating book, an amazing read.

• 19:17Speaker 05

  Steve Martin has become just such a big part of pop culture and comedy and film, but I didn't really understand his position in the world of creating the idea of rock star comedians. So it was a great book, highly recommend. Appreciate everything you do. Rock and roll.

• 19:35Jake Brennan?

  916, this is another one that I'm grateful to be reminded of. The Steve Martin, well, he is a musician, actually, but more a comedian. And...

• 19:46Jake Brennan?

  I've heard this is fantastic. It's one of those things that numerous people have told me about. I seem to always forget about it. And to be honest, I'm not always looking for music content in my spare time to sit back and chill with, but this one seems to be special. So I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. And no shade on the Johnny, the Johnny Cash autobiography is mentioned all the time because it's truly great. You can ask John Cusack's character in High Fidelity about it. It's that great line. I've read books, or whatever he says. And by the way, High Fidelity is the next movie that we are covering in our video podcast on great movie soundtracks and scores. That's going to be

• 20:30Jake Brennan?

  coming your way at the end of this month. Go to disgracenpod.com to become an all access member to cop that content. Let's now, however, go to the 970. 970 had a great memoir recommendation. Matt, this is a voice memoir, not a voicemail, but go ahead and find that and play that for us, please. Yeah, Jake. Artist memoirs, rock and roll memoirs. Okay. Bill Graham. My Life Inside Rock and Out. His memoir of being born into Nazi Germany, just before the war, being half

• 21:10Jake Brennan?

  a step ahead of the Nazis through the war, climbing in an orphanage up the Hudson River like Schenectady, getting adopted and brought to the Bronx, learning about Latin music while living in the Five Burrows, bouncing around, being an actor, doing other things, finally landing on the West Coast and really hitting his stride at about 33 years old when he found all of the San Francisco musicians had no fucking business sense and were getting their asses kicked in the business world. And then he went on to change the world. His memoir also speaks about things like when

• 21:55Jake Brennan?

  To know how to get off the wheel. And people howled when he closed the Fillmore East and the Fillmore West and stopped certain other projects that he knew better, he had a sense. And then how to deal with conflict and what fucking big balls he had. So that's the one that I would recommend. Bill Graham, My Life Inside Rock and Out. Oh, yes. Bill Graham, Bill Graham's autobiography. Bill Graham, great rock and roll promoter, one of the best. Guy who kind of broke the mold, guy who kind of invented the business in a lot of ways. I read this book in high school. One of the, one of, ah, I think I read it right around the time I read Helter Skelter.

• 22:37Jake Brennan?

  And I never think of how, of how formative Bill Graham's autobiography is to this show, but pretty damn formative. I, I'll never forget his depiction, 970, of Otis Redding and seeing Otis Redding live for the first time on his stage. And he describes him as pure sex. And I read that as like a 15 year old and I didn't know what to, what to make of that. I didn't know what he meant. I didn't know what, I didn't know. And then I started, I think I saw the Otis Redding clip, I know, yeah, I did. I saw the Otis Redding live at Monterey footage and I got it. I was like, oh shit, I know what Bill Graham was talking about. Great book.

• 23:21Jake Brennan?

  Bill Graham will be an episode of Disgraceful at some point. Thank you, 970. All right. 617-906-6638. Send me a voicemail. Send me a text if you're shy. 512, Allison hits us up. Hey, I'm super excited about the new season, Teresa. Teresa? There, she means there. There are some great stories about Rocky Erickson, Rocky Erickson, excuse me, and his ridiculous arrest and stint at the mental hospital. That's gonna be, uh, yeah, that's, that's coming eventually. Not on our list of next episodes. We'll be covering that story soon enough, Allison. Thank you so much. Erica from the 719 is recommending Girl in a Band by Kim Gordon.

• 24:04Jake Brennan?

  Which I own, I've yet to read it, I skimmed it. And now this Courtney Love interview with Billy Corgan, it's got me, it's like, it's so kinda catty. I shouldn't be into it, but I'm just, I'm just, I got, I got a lot of Kim Gordon intrigue right now. The fact that Courtney Love is talking shit about Kim Gordon makes me kinda like Kim Gordon even more, if that makes sense. I mean, Courtney Love, not the most reliable narrator, though I am endlessly fascinated by her. And there will be an episode on, on Kim Gordon at some point. And I don't know what it's gonna be, but I know, I know that there's some, some true crime there. If there is for Patti

• 24:48Jake Brennan?

  Smith, there's gonna be for Kim Gordon. That's all I gotta say. So we're gonna figure that one out. 425, hey Jake, Julia from Seattle, listening to the Patti Smith bit, and it brought me back to LA, 1978, when I got to see Patti Smith outside the Hollywood Licorice Pizza Record Store. It was insane. We were huge fans. And later that summer, my crew and I saw television at the Roxy, just kitty cornered to Licorice Pizza. Such great music, rock-a-rola. Yeah, wow, that's something. You saw some seminal rock and roll there. Unreal. Thanks for the text. 617-906-6638. Guys, you wanna hit me up on anything? That's how you do it. Via the voicemail and the text. You can also email me, [email protected].

• 25:32Jake Brennan?

  Okay, this email comes from Scott Harwood, who writes in, "Rock memoirs, Dave Grohl." I haven't read this yet. I'm reading it for the first time right now on the mic. Message says, "Hey, I'm a 68 model, Gen X, who grew up in that sweet spot of being 13 when No One Here Gets Out Alive came out. And like most teenage boys at that time, Jim Morrison was my North Star, to the point that I spent the last three years of high school in military school. I wanted to recommend Set the Night on Fire by Doors guitarist Robbie Krieger. He does a fantastic job of realigning the myths with things such as telling us why Jim would have hated being called Lizard King and why, or how the lyrical mishap on Ed Sullivan, girl, we couldn't get."

• 26:17Jake Brennan?

  Much higher was an innocent mistake of muscle memory responding to stage fright and nervousness. It wasn't some glorious act of rebellion against the establishment, things like that. A fantastic read that I really needed as a 50 ish Gen Xer. Also, don't be too hard on Dave Grohl. I grew up in his neighborhood at the same time. And yeah, he has a huge ego and deservedly so. And his nice guy image has certainly sharpened the knives going into him now. But at the end of the day, he's a married rock star who cheated on his wife. And I defy you to name five rock stars who never cheated. And when you can't ask yourself why Grohl is catching so much more shit than the others. He was very close to his mother and his drummer. He lost them both within a short period of time. Yeah. And his drummer, he lost them both in a short period of time. Maybe give

• 27:01Jake Brennan?

  him a little slack. If not, maybe give him some space rather than comments and judgments. Have I been unfairly judgmental of Dave Grohl as a person? I don't think I have at all. Um, and I've already written the Foo Fighters episode. And I think you're going to be, I don't want to give it away, Scott, but you know, I'm fair. I'm fair. And you're absolutely right about, you know, a guy cheating on his wife, a rock star, excuse me, cheating on his wife. And it's hard for me to go there. I mean, because, look, I think Dave Grohl gets maybe more shit for that than most rock stars do because he has such the nice guy

• 27:44Jake Brennan?

  image. But dude, we like, I'll do full episodes on musicians and never once mentioned the infidelities. For some reason, the Dave Grohl thing, it's, it's so much part of the story right now. And I think Dave Grohl really wants to, um, show his family and his fans that he's earnestly trying to get by this. And I'm not going to fault him for that. I mean, I'm not, I'm not even, I, it's just, wait, just wait for the episode. I don't want to burn it here. But Scott, everybody else, you know, I love Dave Grohl. I grew up with Dave Grohl, not like you did in the same neighborhood, but we all feel like we

• 28:28Jake Brennan?

  grew up with Dave Grohl. And, you know, whether this was however, people, people have these sort of, what's the word, parasocial relationships with rock stars where they really feel like they know them. And then when they fall, it hurts in a different way. And I think that's part of what's going on here. But again, I'm not excusing it. And as far as judgment goes, you're gonna have to hear the episode. That's coming up in a couple of weeks. [email protected]. If you guys want to get in touch with me, you can also DM me at disgracelandpod. On the subject of music memoirs, Paula Cook writes in, "Hey, there's a new book by Robbie Robertson talking about his relationship with Martin Scorsese. Paula, I know it well." Well, not

• 29:11Jake Brennan?

  well enough. I have that book literally on my nightstand. It's on a stack of books, part of a stack of books that I have not read yet that I want to read before I go on vacation this summer, so that then I can get my vacation books all lined up. You know what I'm saying? These are the books before the books, so to speak. And I'm woefully behind. But this one, the Robbie Robertson, the cocaine book, as I'm calling it, top of the list. Thanks for the reminder, Paula Cook. On, where are we? Facebook, Paula. Facebook, Paula Cook. Thank you. All right, guys, we're gonna come back on the other side with some music recommendations.

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  It's another way IBM helps you stay in control of your data. Let's create smarter business. IBM. Visit IBM.com to learn more. All right, guys. Welcome back. As you may or may not know, I was on the Hollywoodland Rap Party this week, doing a little music recommendation bit with Zeth. So Zeth, uh, Zeth takes into account our Hollywood and true crime story from our archive that week, and he, he creates two new episodes to accompany it, The Rap Party and The Screening Room. And in The Rap Party, uh, I'm appearing now regularly again, once again. I was doing this prior, I'm going to continue to do it now because we needed

• 31:26Jake Brennan?

  a, uh, an expansive place to talk about our recommendations, not just for music, but for film as well. And Zeth has this really kind of unique way of being able to tie the history of film, uh, to these, these questions, these prompts to get me thinking about music in a new way. And he, he somehow got this week from, because we did the George Reeves episode in Hollywoodland, George Reeves, of course, played Superman. Um, and there's that whole crime around his story. Anyways, Zeth somehow connected that to actors who make the leap to, uh, doing big, big superhero roles and how that relates to indie bands making the leap to major labels.

• 32:10Jake Brennan?

  And the question was, you know, which, to me, which of those bands albums would I recommend? So we got into that over there and it really had me thinking about a lot of the hardcore stuff and indie stuff that I was into in the nineties. Um, I don't want to say friends of ours, but people we were, we kind of knew from the hardcore scene who were getting signed beyond the indie labels that we were on, uh, to these, to these major labels and what our reactions to those records were at the time. And it was a fascinating conversation. I'm super grateful for Zeth's big brain for, for finding a way to get me into it that way. Check that out. That's The Rap Party. You can just search Hollywoodland in Apple Podcasts or the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts and you'll find a bunch of archive

• 32:55Jake Brennan?

  episodes there, plus new ones every week that we're doing. And I used that as an excuse to recommend.

• 33:02Jake Brennan?

  I'm not gonna talk about here to recommend a TV show that is blowing my mind. I love it so much. And no, it's not Love Story. In our text thread, Zeth, myself and Matt, our production slash editorial text thread that we have going every week. Wait, I want to read it to you because it's just perfect. This is from Matt and you know, Matt mixes all these episodes and he writes in, hey, every rap party and after-party conversation lately is just an incremental process of Jake grooming Zeth to watch Love Story. I swear that's not what I'm recommending over there.

• 33:41Jake Brennan?

  Love Story is gone. Love Story is, it's, it's over, man. Let it go. Let it go. Okay. So, but there's something else that I think is actually better. I got some good TV going on right now and I'm talking about that with Zeth in the rap party, but also right here, I'll talk about, I'm loving DTF St. Louis. I know a lot of you probably are as well. It started out slow for me. I barely, I was barely able to hang on, but I'm so glad that I did. Jason Bateman is on another level lately, man. Just, just so, so incredibly talented. He's talented. His, his acting talent, I think,

• 34:20Jake Brennan?

  has reached a stage of excellence that is beyond words for me. I can't actually describe it. I attempt to in the bonus section of this after-party a little bit with Zeth because we get into it a little bit. I don't know. I'm interested to know if you guys are watching this show, 617-906-6638 and what you think. Really interesting music choices, by the way. Some, they hit the ball out of the park. Some, I'm just, I'm just, what, what, what? What is that? What are you doing, man? I don't know. It's, it's compelling though, either way. But back to music recommendations. We're gonna do, we're gonna do, we're gonna play old song, new song here. Okay. The new song that I'm recommending this week that

• 35:01Jake Brennan?

  I'm listening to is "Denial is a River" by Dochi. Now, Florida hip hop artist here. It sounds very much like a 90s New York hip hop artist. She fucking kills. She's incredible. This song is amazing. This song is, it's not super new. It's from 2024, but all her stuff, her newer stuff, her older stuff, it is all great. This song is filthy. Jay-Z, not filthy, like just in like a sex way, but just in like a real kinda, just in a real way. It's Jay-Z, early Kanye, Salt and Pepper, Missy Elliott, it's all here, but this is, it's, it's more modern. I almost said fresh. I didn't. And I

• 35:45Jake Brennan?

  know a lot of you already know about this and that I'm late to the party, but I don't care. This shit rules. I love it. Dochi, Sean Hastings, if you're listening, go get that. Anyone else? Check it out. Old song rack, Ryan Paris, Dolce Vita. Now, I don't know anything about this song, except that it came out in 1983 and I heard it in some TV show, probably 10 years ago. I don't know anything about this artist either. This is Italian disco. Listen to this song. First of all, this song is a great sort of mix starter, all right, like playlist starter, because it's gonna clue you into a bunch of disco that you've probably never heard of before, because this song is obscure-ish. People who are into disco are gonna know this, and people who are into Italian disco are definitely gonna know this, but this song will just make

• 36:29Jake Brennan?

  you feel awesome. It'll make you feel like, you know, you know, just no matter where you are, you're gonna feel like you're in a, in a cool robe, next to a pool, at a party with some really good looking people. That's what this song does. It's so good. You know that meme that's been going around the last like 12 months of the two Italian dudes like smoking cigarettes, you know, you know, on the coast of the Mediterranean, they're just kinda bobbing their heads to some cool disco? This is the shit those guys were at one point listening to. I guarantee it, okay? Ryan Paris's Dolce Vita. Check it out. All right. Earlier in this episode, we were talking about Patti Smith in the Chelsea Hotel.

• 37:11Jake Brennan?

  And for good reason, the Chelsea is where a large portion of Patti's story, or formative story, I should say, takes place. And there's a lot of media, great media, that has come out of that time, that lore. And Zeth and I are going to try to sift through some of it in the exclusive section of the after party coming up in just a few moments. If you're new to the show and you're like, what is the exclusive section? What the hell are you talking about? Well, we do a little exclusive content every month. Every week here in the after party, you get a little bit. Plus, you also monthly get access to our video podcast, This Film Should Be Played Loud, and you get access to the DisgraceLand chat and all

• 37:54Jake Brennan?

  the DisgraceLand listeners who are hanging out in there. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member. There's all kinds of different tiers and levels. You can sign up. You can even become a free member if you want. Get in there and we're going to, we're going to give you some stuff on the Chelsea that I guarantee you, you probably have not heard of before. All right, we'll take a quick break, be right back.

• 38:28Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. And before we recap and get out of here, I want to tell you about our archive. Most of you know about the archive. If you don't know about the archive, well, basically, you're missing out on about 250 stories, artists from every genre and the true crimes that they've either committed or have affected them in some way. It doesn't matter what genre of music you are interested in, you're going to find an artist from that genre in our archive. Amy Winehouse, Grateful Dead, Tina Turner, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, The Stones, Ozzy, Metallica, it goes on and on, Motley Crue, so many, Mia

• 39:06Jake Brennan?

  Zapata from the Gits, Lana Del Rey, Travis Scott, on and on and on. Get into the archive, see what we Been up to for the past few years here in Disgrace Land and let us know what you think. Hit us back 617-906-6638 voicemail and text. If you've got any questions about artists that you maybe want to listen to in Disgrace Land, but can't find, hit me up. I'll point you in the right direction or somebody will here at Double Elvis. And as always, Matt will pull a couple of these stories and put the episode information in the show notes of this here after party. All right, let's recap. Number one, this week, Patti Smith, our new episode. It's available for you to listen to right now. Our rewind episode coming on Sunday. It's on Taylor Swift. You're not going to want to miss that.

• 39:49Jake Brennan?

  Next week, our new episode on Grace Jones. Number four, Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes over in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland, wherever you get your podcasts. Number five, this film should be played loud, our video podcast, our new episode on the Big Lebowski, that's available for you to check out right now. And we've got a new one coming for you in a couple of weeks on, what are we doing? What are we doing? High fidelity, high fidelity. That's what we're doing in this film should be played loud. 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, guys, keep texting, keep sending us your answers to this week's question of the week, or whatever else you want to talk about. And don't forget, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed

• 40:34Jake Brennan?

  and no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on March 2nd, 1978, Patti Smith released the song Because the Night and reclaimed New York nights for lovers from the fear of the Son of Sam. And here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Love is Thicker Than Water, Andy Gibb. Last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 19. Number two, Night Fever, Bee Gees, last week, five, peak position, two, weeks on chart, six.

• 41:16Jake Brennan?

  Number three, Sometimes When We Touch, Dan Hill, last week, three, peak position, three, weeks on chart, 16. Number four, Emotion, Samantha Sand. Last week, four. Peak position, four. Weeks on turn, seventeen. Number five, Way Down South, Eric Clapton. Last week, seven.

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