#2304 - Gary Brecka

Gary Brecka is a human biologist, biohacker, longevity expert, and host of the "Ultimate Human" podcast. www.theultimatehuman.com/ www.instagram.com/garybrecka/ This episode is brought to you by Visible. Live in the know with wireless that can keep up. One-line plans starting at $25/mo. Join now at visible.com/rogan. Save 20% off sitewide with code ROGAN at checkout http://meundies.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 02

  All right, we're up to it.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, my friend.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  Wow, that was fast. Good to see you too, brother.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  That's how I do it. We just go right into it.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  It's like, sit down and roll.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  You got notes, dude. You're organized. You're a rare guest.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  I actually, you know what, I normally don't bring notes, but I was talking to Callie Means on the way over here, and, you know, we're, we're really supporting Bobby Kennedy's whole Maha, you know, movement and, uh, trying to officially put a committee together to, to really give him some great talking points and then bring some of the big influencers together to help him message, you know, around the media. And I was like, what are some of the wins that we've had in the last week that I don't know about? And so he just rattled them off and I just jotted them down.

• 0:46Joe Rogan?

  There's some wins? What are the wins?

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, um, you know, so Trump formed this Strong Kids Commission. And if you remember when he first got into office, he actually, um, by executive order, he authorized Bobby to, um, to do a study with, you know, Health and Human Services to, to look into the genesis of chronic disease. Cause nobody, nobody's talking about it. The National Institute of Health or National Library of Medicine or in our, you know, public health policy. Nobody's talking about what's causing this pandemic.

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  Gee, I wonder why they're not talking about it?

• 1:16Speaker 02

  Well, I could give you a couple of, I could give you a couple of clues.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  You think money has anything to do with it?

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Nah.

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  You're a conspiracy theorist, dude. You're down the rabbit hole.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  I know. That's my problem.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  You think that just because people get paid, they do things that are shady.

• 1:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know. That's a weird thing to think. I should stop thinking that way.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, for, you know, we make a hundred and ten billion dollars a year on type 2 diabetes. You, they're trying to put that out of business for sure, right?

• 1:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't want that money.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  No, no, no. They're, they're like, hey, Stan, how do we get this off the balance sheet, bro? How do we, how do we get rid of, this is stinking up the place.

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  So there's a business that relies on people being so disgusting that they get type 2 diabetes. So bad with their diet, just eating pie and drinking soda till their body just starts to cave in.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but don't worry, we got it.

• 2:00Joe Rogan?

  But that's worth how much a year?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Hundred and ten billion dollars. Type 2 diabetes alone.

• 2:03Joe Rogan?

  That's not a lot of money. It's not like that would change anybody's opinions on things.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, a lot of people could live on that. There's a lot of people.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  That could live on that.

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that funny? A lot of people could live on what's killing other people.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that funny? Like, a lot of people are buying yachts on what is killing people.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the interesting thing is, is, you know, look at our food stamp program, which is, you know, the SNAP program, which is one of the biggest subsidies that we have in the government, $120 billion a year. 10 billion of that is going to subsidize sodas.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, they need soda. It's a important part of the food pyramid, I think.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  It's right up there with Lucky Charms, right?

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Lucky Charms is above, right above ground beef.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Yep, and grass-fed steak. And then you get to the top and you got soda. So it's just, it's phenomenal. And then the American Heart Association just ironically comes out in favor of soda in the SNAP program.

• 2:58Joe Rogan?

  We went over that and we found out that they're paid by Pepsi and by Coca-Cola. It's just so dark.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. The American Heart Association gets money from Coca-Cola and Pepsi.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I checked into my Airbnb here in Austin, which, by the way, love Austin, man. I see why you came here. We covered it all on my podcast, so I won't go down that rabbit hole. But it truly is, man. People are amazing. Food is amazing. Went to this little restaurant called The Well, which I love, and they catered all my food. But there's like a serious wellness vibe here.

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  A lot of healthy people.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of healthy people. So I check into the Airbnb and I go into the closet, like, the owner's closet. It wasn't locked. And I went into the owner's closet. Of course, it's like all Cheerios and cookies and crackers. And I pulled a couple of bottles of these seed oils out. And I did a little post about it because I was like, "Look at all the heart-healthy labels on this."

• 3:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  And we talked about seed oils last time, but it's, you know, and I get attacked a lot for it, for saying that these polyunsaturated fatty acids are bad for you. But a lot of times, it's actually not the the plant itself. It's the distance from the plant to the table.

• 4:08Joe Rogan?

  Can you explain, because you were explaining the other day to us the process that it takes to turn rape seed oil, which is what canola is.

• 4:19Joe Rogan?

  They decided rape seed was problematic, so they changed the canola oil. I always thought it was corn oil. A corn's good for you. Corn oil must be great for you. Oh, we're using canola oil. Cool. Please explain, though, the process, because it's so vile.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  It's insane. So rape seed, canola, is, you know, a plant. Essentially, you put it in a commercial press, and it will come out gummy. And so to degum it, you use something called hexane. And hexane, if you go to National Institute of Health or National Berry Medicine, you'll see that that is a known neurotoxin. It's classified as a neurotoxin, same as fluoride, right? Which is actually fluorosilic acid. We get to that later. But, so we degum it with hexane. And then you take this degummed oil, and you heat it to 405 degrees, which turns it rancid. I mean, there's no mechanism on earth for temperatures to reach that much, especially the plants to encounter this kind of temperature. So now it denatures, it turns

• 5:17Speaker 02

  rancid. So now you, it's petrified, and it smells. So now you have to deodorize it. So we deodorize it with sodium hydroxide. So we degum it with a powerful neurotoxin. We heat it to 405 degrees and turn it rancid. And then we deodorize it with a very powerful carcinogen. And then in some cases, we bleach it and bottle it and put it on the shelf. You ever look at, go to the grocery store, and you see the entire grocery aisle, it's all these like Wesson oils or vegetable oils, but they're all exactly the same color. Like exactly, they have that same beautiful, clear hue. That's not anything that occurs in nature.

• 5:53Joe Rogan?

  They look super healthy.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  You know? Have you squeezed 10,000 watermelons into watermelon juice and put it all on the shelf?

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  They would vary a little bit.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  They would vary a little bit. But there's no variance there. And so this is chemically controlled process. And it's, you know, again, it's not back to the polyunsaturated fatty acids per se. It's the pro-inflammatory process that they cause, these foam cells, and the inflammation in our arterial wall, which actually calls cholesterol to the site of inflammation. And we blame cholesterol for a lot of the heart disease, atherosclerosis, arterial sclerosis, because it's at the scene of the crime, but it, you know, rarely pulls the trigger. I mean, cholesterol's kind of like a fireman, right? It gets called to the fire to put the fire out.

• 6:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  And so the theory that if we had fewer firemen, we'd have less fires. It's kind of absurd. Right, but that's the theory. That's the theory in LDL cholesterol. It might work in California. They would, I could see them passing that legislation. You know what we need? We need less firemen. But, but, uh, you know, so the theory that if we push down the firemen, which was called to the site of inflammation, meaning we reduce the cholesterol, which was called to the site of inflammation to cause the repair, rather than ask what started the fire, that notion is about to be, I think, blown out of the water by, by big data. I think you're going to see big data, artificial intelligence and early detection

• 7:21Speaker 02

  in the next five years are just going to, going to circumvent the entire system.

• 7:25Joe Rogan?

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• 10:08Speaker 02

  I don't think that will ever replace.

• 10:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't want food oils, excuse me.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, seed oils. I don't think that will ever replace seed oils.

• 10:13Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 10:14Speaker 02

  I think what's really interesting is, is the chemical processing. So another really good thing, and I'm helping to author this, this paper with, with Callie Meads and a bunch of other folks to present it to Bobby Kennedy in, in looking at the genesis of chronic disease. Because if you just, and I know lots of people have talked about this on your show, so I won't belabor the point, but if you look at the spending of four and a half trillion dollars a year, right, on healthcare in the United States? And then you say, well, what do we lead the world in? Well, as of December 6th, we were ranked 66 in the world in life expectancy. We lead the world in morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, multiple chronic disease in the single biome, meaning not just our population has multiple different chronic diseases,

• 10:57Speaker 02

  but multiple chronic diseases in the same, in the same body. Because most people don't just have one autoimmune disease or they're not just hypertensive and diabetic, they're hypertensive diabetic and hypothyroid with an autoimmune, usually multiple autoimmune. We lead the world in infant mortality, maternal mortality. And so you gotta ask yourself, how is four and a half trillion dollars a year in spending leading to these kinds of consequences? And Very often, it's actually not the food, it's the distance from the food to the table. So it's not necessarily the plant, it's what we're doing to process these plants to get them on the table. And so I think what you're going to see is these grass guidelines, generally regarded as safe, which is essentially how the FDA decides whether or not you can micropoison

• 11:42Speaker 02

  the population. So we are allowed to micropoison the population, right? We're allowed to put certain amounts of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, preservatives.

• 11:51Joe Rogan?

  That is a great way of putting it, too. It's micropoisoning.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:55Joe Rogan?

  So that's really what's happening.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  It's exactly what's happening. And a lot of experts will say that dosage determines the poison. And that's largely untrue when you talk about cumulative dose toxicity, meaning if I give you this sandwich and, you know, this piece of tuna fish and it has a very small, safe amount of lead or mercury, it's probably not going to hurt you, right? But if you don't methylate that metal out of your body and you keep eating that same kind of fish, I mean, nobody got mercury poisoning from a single piece of tuna fish. What they got mercury poisoning from was continuing to eat the same thing over and over and over and over again, and they got a cumulative dose toxicity, which is what a lot of foreign countries use.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  So in other words, I can't just say if I put, you know, one drop of arsenic in this glass, is that, is that going to kill you? It might make you mildly sick, cause an inflammatory process, maybe it's not going to kill you. But if you drink one of those five times a day, seven days a week, now you're toxic. And that's what's happened to our country. We didn't get here quickly. We got here by slowly stacking these micropoisons.

• 13:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, but is it possible to change all of, like, whatever we use seed oil for? Is it possible to swap that out for olive oil or beef tallow or?

• 13:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  I know there's some companies doing, like, Masa makes these great tortilla chips.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Love Masa.

• 13:18Joe Rogan?

  Organic corn.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  Tallow.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Organic corn, grass-fed beef, tallow.

• 13:22Joe Rogan?

  They taste like it too. Like, you feel like you're eating food.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:25Joe Rogan?

  You know, we talked about those Vandri chips too.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, Vandy.

• 13:27Joe Rogan?

  Vandy chips. I love those.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  I do too. I would have actually brought you some.

• 13:30Joe Rogan?

  It's just potatoes and beef tallow with a little salt.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:34Joe Rogan?

  And they're fuck, and it tastes like food.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, when I eat them, I don't feel like a piece of shit. Like, if I, if I eat a bag of Doritos, I feel like a fucking loser.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, even while I'm eating, I'm like, oh, you loser, shut up. Pop my head, it's like, shut up, these are delicious.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  You shame yourself. You're like, Joe, I'm so disappointed in you.

• 13:50Joe Rogan?

  But isn't it possible to just replace those, or would it require? Is it one of those things, like, there, there's an issue with factory farming. Everybody thinks factory farming is disgusting when it comes to animals. It's, it's vile, what they do to chickens and pigs. But is it possible to give everyone cheeseburgers in food deserts without factory farming? Like, have we, have we gotten so far ahead of ourselves that we don't have sustainable regenerative agriculture as an option?

• 14:21Speaker 02

  I don't think so at all.

• 14:22Joe Rogan?

  So you think that all the foods, all the salad dressings and all the french fries and all the things that are cooked in food oil, we have enough beef tallow, we have enough olive oil, we have enough avocado oil, that we could switch all those things out and everything would be great?

• 14:39Speaker 02

  There is no question that we have the capacity to, to produce these, and we have the capacity to produce them now. I mean, a lot of these farms, uh, don't use the bones from these cattle. They don't use the hide from these cattle. They don't boil down the collagen from these cattle, and they certainly are not making the tallow from the fat, from, from the cattle that are being slaughtered.

• 14:56Joe Rogan?

  So there's a lot of tallow that's going to waste?

• 14:58Speaker 02

  A lot of tallow, a lot of bone broth, a lot of, a lot of bones, a lot of cartilage, um, you know, that, that's entirely going to waste. And, and if you look at a lot of countries, they will use the entire animal. They'll boil down the bones, they'll, they'll use the hide, they'll use the bone marrow.

• 15:13Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of crazy because there's a big market for bone broth. There's a big market for beef tallow.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't they? I mean, they're just wasting money.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  I think, I think you have the perception that there's a big market for it because you're kind of in the no. Right? You're probably in the, I hate to use this term, but woke 1%.

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  If you, if you wanted, you wanted to. He's like, did he call me woke?

• 15:36Joe Rogan?

  It used to be cool.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  When I, when I mean woke 1%, I mean, I hate that word, woke.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, you're using it the correct way, though. You're using it the way African Americans used to use it. Black people used to call woke, like, you're awake. I'm woke. You can't sneak that stupid shit by me. I'm woke.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:52Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then the fucking white people took it over and ruined it, like a lot of things.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Exactly. Did we, did we fuck that up too?

• 15:59Joe Rogan?

  Not us, not us, but the ones with blue hair.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, now, now woke means a whole different, whole different ballgame.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, now it's essentially a pejorative. They can't even use it in a positive way. You know, it's, that's beaten down.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  But I like it because it's kind of like you can just be triggered about anything now, so it's so convenient.

• 16:16Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  You know, because I can really silence you if you start out, like, out intellectualizing me. I can, I can just feel like, dude, you're, you're triggering me. You're hurting my feelings.

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  You're triggering me with information.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  I kid you not, I've never talked about this for, I'm probably gonna lose half my audience, but.

• 16:31Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  I, I, I was, I went to Harvard University for this thing, this longevity summit through a very good friend of mine. I won't mention his name because then I'll give away the event that I was at. I called my wife on day two and I was like, babe, I feel like I landed on Mars. I go, I gotta get out of here. And she goes, what is going on? I said, I just listened to a panel of PhDs for four hours debate about whether or not a microaggression is something that could happen to you that you don't recognize, that was causing a micro trauma that the other person didn't realize they were doing, but it was still creating an unsafe environment.

• 17:14Joe Rogan?

  I think there should be mandatory jujitsu classes for those people. Mandatory jujitsu.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  My head was so twisted.

• 17:21Joe Rogan?

  Here's your micro trauma.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, when they passed the microphone to me, I got so much trouble. And I won't say his last name, but Daniel, he's, he's still mad at me right now because of this. They passed the microphone to me and they're like, you know, do you have anything to add to the conversation? I go, this sounds like a bunch of people, this whole, this whole panel up here, you guys sound like you boarded a spaceship and literally left Mother Earth. Because I have no idea what you're talking about. You're talking about trying to identify something that you, by its very nature, say, "You don't know if you have it or you don't." So let's just admit that it's a ghost. So how are we gonna... We can't measure it, we can't find it, we can't prove you have it, we can't prove you don't have it. So how are we gonna treat it?

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  What's this culture of victimization? And the monetization. It's like, there's a... There's status in victimization. You know? That's the thing. They've essentially made it like a virtue to be a victim. So you're looking for little things that have possibly... I believe there was a microaggression.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  I think... You know what? I think I felt it.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  Possibly rolled his eyes.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Possibly rolled his eyes.

• 18:25Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that is gonna haunt me. I need therapy now. I think he might have rolled his eyes.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  And that's absolutely acceptable.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  That is a microaggression. Like, maybe rolling your eyes. Like, you say something to me and I go, "Okay." And then I leave. "Oh, my God, that was a microaggression."

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  What I just did going, "Okay."

• 18:42Speaker 02

  But here's the cool thing. Is you're kind of off the hook, because if you didn't intentionally create the microaggression, I just perceived it as a microaggression.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  Depends on who I am. If I'm a white heterosexual cis male.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Then you're screwed.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  I got problems.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Then you're screwed. So anyway, back to the food supply. We took a U-turn there for a second. What's really interesting is if you just take a very 30,000-foot view and you say, "Let's just look at the broad strokes on the blue zone research, right? There's no continuity between diets in these blue zones." So it's not keto, paleo, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian, you know, raw food, Atkins. It's whole food, just what you were just saying.

• 19:23Joe Rogan?

  Whole food and a lot of healthy lifestyle.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Whole food... Well, the two things that were noninterchangeable were sense of purpose and community and activity until later in life. So you didn't have any of the blue zones where people didn't feel a sense of purpose and community in life. In fact, there were no such things as assisted care living facilities. You know, the assisted care in those countries is mom and dad move back in with the kids until the day that they...

• 19:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Till the day that they die. And there's a lot to be said for that, because maybe grandma's only purpose is to go out and get vegetables for dinner that night. But she has a purpose.

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  And she's a part of the community.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  And she's not locked up in a home with a bunch of people who don't really care about her. Yeah, you know, we knew something in the mortality space because I used to study mortality and mortality research and we knew that if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half at any age, and I mean at any age, you put them in isolation. So as soon as you create isolation, you dramatically reduce, if not half, the life expectancy. Now, later in life, we would call this broken heart syndrome, caregiver syndrome, and these were actually very valid syndromes. So if we actually were doing the life expectancy on an elderly spouse who was still applying for insurance, or we were looking at what's called a second to die claim on life insurance

• 20:43Speaker 02

  policy, and one spouse had passed away, we would dramatically reduce the life expectancy of the second spouse. And the reason why that's important is I think that people don't realize that we are actually being isolated in plain sight, right? I mean, we are trying to create connection through our phones, we're trying to create connection through social media, and these are not human connections. In fact, you know, if you look at the rates of depression, suicide, suicidal ideation, obesity, you know, chronic mental illness, and I think we actually have a chronic lack of mental fitness, not necessarily a mental illness crisis in this country. And if you look at the skyrocketing rates of these conditions and how they are creeping into younger and younger and younger generations, you've got nine-year-olds being treated for depression now, right?

• 21:27Speaker 02

  So what's happening? What's happening is isolation in plain sight. You know, we don't problem solve anymore, we don't have communities with our friends anymore, we actually don't build social connections, we've lost our connection to Mother Nature. You know, that's why I like going out to my place in Colorado, it's probably like you like bow hunting, and it's just old school connection to Mother Nature, and how freaking good do you feel?

• 21:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's very, very good. I really wish I lived in nature. I'd really like to be living in the woods again.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  I'm working on it, man. Well, you said you were trying to get something outside of town like a ranch kind of?

• 22:00Joe Rogan?

  I think that's the move. Yeah, I think, I think nature is a vitamin, I really do. I think it's a mental health vitamin. I think there's something about being in nature, there's a feeling you get, especially when your phone doesn't work, and you get out there and you look at your phone like zero bars.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:16Joe Rogan?

  And you're out there in like real woods, it's just like. You just feel better.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:21Joe Rogan?

  You just feel like more tuned in. You hear birds and branches snapping and things going on. Coyotes and it's like, god damn, it feels good.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  We have this place in Colorado. My wife and I, well, she's been going to for 35 years since she was a little, little girl. When we got together 10 years ago, she started bringing me and my family out there. And her, her father's got 10 acres, her, her uncle's got 10 acres. And then this 50 acre piece came on the market. So we, we, we bought it. We're building these old school, like really authentic log cabins on there. And I, I write about this all the time because in Miami, I have this really fancy place. And I've got all this fancy equipment, you know, red light therapy beds, hyperbarics, hydrogen beds, all this stuff. But I'll go out to this Colorado home, put on a 20 pound rucksack. I know you do 150 pound rucksacks, so I feel like a complete pussy.

• 23:08Joe Rogan?

  Most of the time I do 45.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 23:10Joe Rogan?

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• 24:12Speaker 02

  Sometimes I do it and I carry two 50 pound kettlebells. Oh shit, no, I really, I'm not even telling the rest of my story.

• 24:19Joe Rogan?

  These are just short bursts.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  No, this is not like long distance, you know, it's just, I just do it to tax my system. Well, I do farmer's carries.

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  I do that, too.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, farmer's carries, I actually like that.

• 24:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what I mean by that. I think farmer's carries, like suitcase carries are actually better, you know.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  What, closer to?

• 24:37Joe Rogan?

  One hand.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Oh, one hand.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because then it makes you balance on the other side and then you swap it out to the other side.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  Stabilization.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, stabilizing the spine.

• 24:45Joe Rogan?

  That it's actually better.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me because, you know, you're not just, you're not just load bearing the spine. It's just I don't squat or anything.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  But farmer's carries are amazing, too. There's nothing wrong with it.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I do a lot of farmer's carries, but I'll put on this 20-pound rucksack, go out by myself, put a sidearm, you know, in my, you know, vest and go. It was just kind of funny. I took a picture of myself in the woods the other day. Posted on social media and I had sidearm. People went, bananas. Cause I have a gun.

• 25:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't want to get eaten by a mountain lion. It does happen. It probably won't happen, but guess what? If I have a gun, it's not gonna happen.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Feel, yeah, it's never gonna happen if I have a gun.

• 25:21Joe Rogan?

  I just have a fucking great video of a bow hunter who is being attacked by a mountain lion. And the mountain lion is like creeping up on him slowly. He's like, hey, get back, get back, get back. And you see the thing lock on him and start closing in. It's like 15 feet away and then bang. And then you see the thing twitching. It's got a hole in its face.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  He was a bow hunter.

• 25:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he had a pistol on him. That's why he had a pistol on him.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it happens in Colorado. I mean, bear attacks, I mean.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  It fucking happens. Bear attacks are fairly rare in Colorado.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  It's only when you cross the, apparently if you just come upon the cubs and the, and the mother.

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  The real issue is not the bears that are in Colorado, though. The real issue is the bears in Wyoming and Montana. Brown bears. Brown bears are what you have to worry about. Black bears, not as much. But, but occasionally, like a big black bear will, will go after people.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but anyway, I take a sidearm and I'll, and I'll march around in there, but, but when I'm done, I feel like I took a limitless pill. Just something, I totally agree with you, something out there. And I got this little squirrel. It's so funny, I mean, I leave my house, I start climbing up in the woods. I have this little four mile kind of track. And there's a squirrel, I don't know if he'll be there this year, but every year that I go out there, and he barks at me, right? And he kind of growls. It doesn't sound like a squirrel, it sounds like a little bark. And then he chews acorns off and grabs them with both hands and throws them down on me. And it's so funny. And he'll follow me from limb to limb. I shit you not. And I look forward to seeing him every day. Like, I feel like he's pissed off. Maybe it's a sign of love. I don't know.

• 26:51Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely pissed off. He doesn't love you. Somebody probably hunted one of his family.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, take a sidearm.

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  People do hunt squirrels, you know, they eat them.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  But, but in any case, man, I feel, I feel amazing. So, but you're right. You know, at some point, we have the capacity to replace these, these oils. We actually have a way to get, you know, back away from industrial farming and get back to local farming. You know, there's a, I have a very good friend named Alfie Oaks, and he owns one of the, one of the more profitable grocery stores in America. It's in Naples, Florida, called Seed to Table. And he took me out by helicopter one time, and we hopped around to a bunch of his organic fields. He's got thousands of acres in the middle of the state of Florida. And he showed me how he's not only able to grow produce

• 27:44Speaker 02

  for less money than he would, organically, for less money than he would grow it if he had to use herbicides and pesticides and chemicals. He's able to pick it at nine o'clock in the morning and have it on the grocery store shelf by two o'clock in the afternoon. And I watched the whole process go down, thousands and thousands of these acres. And, you know, white flies are the, the pest flies they're trying to avoid. Instead of spraying for these white flies, what they do is they just use this reflective cellophane, they run it down the rows of crops, and it creates this reflection, and it scatters them to the woods. And so now the white flies are not eating the crops. There's no herbicide, there's no pesticide sprayed on these, there's no, no preservatives. His, his team picks this stuff by nine o'clock in the morning, it goes into a processing center, and by

• 28:29Speaker 02

  processing, I mean, it gets washed. That's it. And then it's on a truck and it's on the shelf by 2 o'clock in the afternoon. So you can grab a strawberry in this grocery store and eat it. And it was growing at 9 a.m. that morning. And there are, you know, there are mechanisms for us to do that. Yes, I get some, some stuff needs to be shipped and, and stored. But most regenerative farming practices are not only green and good for the environment, they're economically feasible. They actually make economic sense. And, you know, when he talks about the fact that we've been spraying some of these fields for so many decades with, or so many years with these herbicides and insecticides, that

• 29:09Speaker 02

  there is not a pest for, in some cases, hundreds of miles, but we are still spraying for those pests. He's like, you gotta start to question what the motivation is.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Yeah. Probably financial.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Probably financial.

• 29:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You know, it's, we're talking about, you said something earlier interesting that you think it's not, what was the term that you used? It's not a mental health problem, it's a lack of mental strength?

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Mental fitness.

• 29:37Joe Rogan?

  Mental fitness.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, if you think about it.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  You got any of those hydrogens?

• 29:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  I want a hydrogen on my tablet.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 29:45Joe Rogan?

  Is there H2 tabs? Hook it up. I love these. I'm addicted.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  I love these too, yeah.

• 29:50Joe Rogan?

  Explain to people what these are.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  So hydrogen gas, I mean, this is probably my favorite biohack in the world because it'll cost you about a dollar a day. These are called H2 tab. You can get them at drinkh2tab.com. You can actually read the science on it. I think there's two, two people in the world now, I mean, those that have read the science and take hydrogen gas, drink hydrogen water, and those that don't, or just haven't read the science. Because hydrogen gas, first of all, is a, it's, it's the lightest element in the universe. It's also the most prevalent element in the universe. 10% of your body weight is hydrogen. I think, in fact, if you took hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen, that's 96% of your mass. Okay, those four elements. So hydrogen's about 10% of your body weight. And, and hydrogen is not just an antioxidant.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  It's a selective antioxidant. Right? So if you look at oxidative stressors like nitric oxide or superoxide or hydrogen peroxide. Okay, so all of these oxidative stressors, they can be good in certain amounts. You need a certain amount of nitric oxide in your body, but too much nitric oxide is bad. Too much hydrogen peroxide, bad. Too much superoxide is bad. So if you were to take an antioxidant like vitamin C and take very, very high doses of antioxidants, this could be very bad for you because you're suppressing too much oxidation in the body. You're actually suppressing these oxidative stressors too much.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  Hydrogen, on the other hand, uses the body's homeostatic process to suppress inflammation. So in other words, it works through something called the N R F 2 pathway. It affects a protein called N R F 2, which moves into the DNA, binds to the DNA, and then the DNA spits out the instructions for catalase, superoxide dismutase, and glutathione. So in other words, you're actually using the body's regulatory system to actually control inflammation instead of externally trying to control inflammation. And the second thing it does is it targets the only oxidative free radical that I think all of the science points to, which is hydroxyl radical, having no use in the body.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  So it selectively targets that and regulates the rest of the inflammatory process by using the body's homeostasis. So I guess a very long-winded way of saying that hydrogen gas can go anywhere in the body. It reduces inflammation, improves circulation, improves memory. There's a really interesting study published on the Journal of Experimental Gerontology, and it was published in November of 2021. And most You know, these clinical research studies, they'll look at younger populations, like healthier, younger populations. But this actually looked at a six month study on hydrogen water versus non hydrogen water in 70 year old and older folks. And they use something called tet2 to

• 32:46Speaker 02

  measure methylation. They measured cognitive function, sleep scores, sit-stand ratios, how well they're able to sit and stand, telomere lengths and their chromosomes. And the really fascinating thing about this study is it was done during COVID. So these seniors were basically imprisoned. So they were not mobile. And the only difference between the groups that they that they controlled for was the presence of hydrogen water. At the end of this six month period during the lockdown, the non-controlled group had lost 11% in their telomeres. The non-controlled group had gained 4%. They had better short-term recall, better cognitive

• 33:28Speaker 02

  scores, better circulation, improving cardiac markers, improving inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein. I think it's, I think it's the greatest biohack on earth. That and like some sea salt and some amino acids, like a perfect amino, I mean, just covering your bases. I think those are, those are your foundational basics for optimal health.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  And it's like delicious. Comes in good flavors and it's easy to drink. It's like a pain-free thing that you can do.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  You know, you can bathe in it, too. You can actually bathe in hydrogen gas.

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  How many tabs you put in the water?

• 34:02Speaker 02

  You can, you can actually put, it's called a hydrogen bomb, which just looks like a big bath bomb. It just creates hydrogen gas. It's elemental magnesium.

• 34:09Joe Rogan?

  What does it do for you when you bathe in it?

• 34:11Speaker 02

  It goes right transdermal, goes right to the skin. So remember, hydrogen is the smallest, lightest element that we know of. Alright, so it will go right transdermal. And these, hydrogen gas will form in between water molecules. So water molecules H2O, but hydrogen gas can actually exist outside of the water molecule. And when you put excess hydrogen gas into the water, it will go right transdermal. And, you know, I have two of these baths at my house. I never talk about it like on social media, so I guess I'm about to talk about it now. But I have literally put people into these tubs, I'm kidding you not, crippled with arthritis. And they will skip out of my unit like they won the lottery. It's incredible. I mean.

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  So transdermal reduction of inflammation in joints from these hydrogen bombs.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 35:01Joe Rogan?

  How long does it last?

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Or from a hydrogen bath. You can get these, you can get these machines. I mean, one for your house is about seventy five hundred bucks, eight thousand bucks. They make some that make nanoparticles or nano bubbles, which are about one five hundredth the diameter of a human pore. So if you run these things on your face, it'll actually push all the sebum out of your skin. It'll get rid of dandruff, psoriasis, eczema. If you have any kind of inflammatory condition like knees, hips, shoulder, rotator cuff, arthritis, low back. Bathing in hydrogen gas can be one of the most therapeutic things that you do.

• 35:33Joe Rogan?

  Really? Can you add it to a cold plunge?

• 35:36Speaker 02

  You can add it to a cold plunge. And what's interesting about adding it to a cold, in fact, I use this Cold Life cold plunge. And I've got these guys trying to see if we can incorporate the hydrogen gas into the cold plunge. So where the, where the motor pulls the cold water out, it's going to send it into a hydrogen generator and then push it back into the tub. Because as the temperature drops in water, you can saturate more gas. So, so a forty eight degree, quote me exactly on this, but a forty eight degree cold plunge will hold about twice as much gas as a hundred and two degree, you know, warm tub. So if you were like just taking like a warm bath.

• 36:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  So you're going to be cold plunging for three to six minutes every day, or, you know, that's what you and I do. You might as well be in there with hydrogen gas. And so I'm, I'm, I'm working with these guys from Cold Life to see if we can plum these hydrogen generators. And basically it's, it creates the hydrogen gas by, by taking distilled water and breaking distilled water apart. And then throwing the gas into the water. And it is noticeably different when you bathe in this gas or not. Like I had Sean Ryan over to my house for a podcast one time and, you know, he's all banged up from being a Navy SEAL. And, you know, he's got nips and bibles all over his body. And he just thought it was really weird because I was like, dude, you gotta get my bathtub.

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• 38:40Speaker 02

  He's talked about it before, Sean, big shout out, brother. But he was like, he's like, dude, I just met you, man. I go, no, it's okay. I'm not gonna get in there with you. All right. I'll sit on the chair outside the tub. He's like, that freaks me out a little bit. I'm gonna be honest with you. I said, dude, I gave him a pair of shorts. So, uh, cause I was like, do you, does anything on your body hurt? Did your, you know, your knees, your hips, your shoulders, does anything hurt? And he's like, dude, fucking everything in my body hurts. So I was like, get in there, man. And, um, I put him in there for 25 minutes. He said it was like the first time he had slept eight hours and woken up without pain in probably 15 years.

• 39:20Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. John Jones, same thing, you know, I mean, John Jones has been very public about, uh, when I, you know, working with me, I've been, I've been talking to him in a little while, but right before his last fight, um, I brought him one of these hydrogen machines to bathe in. Uh, and we just set up the, the tub at his house. And we ran hydrogen gas into the tub. So we would do red light therapy. Um, he would drink hydrogen water and, um, and he would bathe in this hydrogen gas. And it was about 15 or 20 days after I kind of parachuted into his camp and, and, uh, and set all this up that he texts me and he was like, holy shit, brother, I can't believe I'm, you know, I'm out of pain. I'm adding a sixth date to my training routine.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Um, I'm waking up, not in pain, you know, sleeping better. Um, so it's, it's really incredible what hydrogen gas can do in the body. And it don't, it don't take my word for it. I mean, there's, there actually is a really interesting study, but published by Dr. LeBaron, Tyler LeBaron. He's a PhD. Uh, and he actually, I think his PhD is in molecular hydrogen. So I should tease him about where his life went wrong. Then he got a PhD in hydrogen, but where did you bang a left that you decided, I'm gonna get a PhD in hydrogen? But he published a study looking at, um, uh, electrolyzed alkaline water. Um, and, and when they removed the hydrogen gas, all of the benefits of, of alkaline water went away.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  So the benefits from alkaline water are coming from the excess presence of hydrogen gas. And even when you add hydrogen gas to regular water, it will drop the ORP. It will make the oxidative reduction potential negative. So it has more of a capacity to donate electrons. So I just think it's a phenomenal discovery and it's dirt cheap.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  When you were telling me that these bottles, water bottles that generate hydrogen, they're great in the beginning, but that over time they deteriorate. Does this, would the same issue happen with the hydrogen generators that you would use for the cold plunges?

• 41:30Speaker 02

  You know, they're a lot more robust. They're a commercial generator, so they're not actually working under pressure. So the water flows through these. So a lot of the ways that you create high part per million hydrogen gas in these water bottles, and I actually just want, I'm about to put a press release out about it. I actually just won a $16 million civil judgment against a fake hydrogen water bottle company that used my name, image, and likeness to run a bunch of ads and sold tens of millions of dollars in these bottles. But essentially, at the bottom of these bottles, there's something called a proton exchange membrane. And this proton exchange membrane comes in contact with the water through electrolysis,

• 42:13Speaker 02

  and it creates the hydrogen gas. The problem with these bottles is that this electrolysis process, if you put tap water in there and use chlorine, can actually create chlorine gas. You can also create something called hypochloric acid. So what happens is, over time, the bottles that I tested, because I used to be a huge fan of these bottles, and I carried them everywhere, and I would notice that it didn't bubble as much, you know, four or five months after I had this, had the bottle. And so I sent it to be tested, and lo and behold, you know, these proton exchange membranes break down over time. So the first time you use the bottle, you're getting very high part per million hydrogen. But four or five months later, you're getting almost none.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  Maybe six months later, you might be getting zero.

• 43:00Joe Rogan?

  Could you just swap out the membrane and continue to use the same bottle? Or would you have to use a new bottle?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they don't, they don't send you a new proton exchange membrane. Now, some of them, you can screw off the bottom and they theoretically could send it to you. But they're expensive. They're like... 250, 300 bucks. I mean, an H2 tab, like a hydrogen tablet will cost you a buck a day.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  And you can travel with it.

• 43:20Joe Rogan?

  And it gives you more.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  And it gives you a higher part per million than almost all those bottles. And it's consistent. It's high, it's high dose hydrogen gas that's exactly consistent. So every single time I put one of those tablets in the water, it's just, it's a consistent dose of hydrogen gas. And I used to get a lot of shit online because I was promoting these bottles so heavily because I believed in them tremendously. But the average person's like out of pocket 250, 300 bucks.

• 43:47Joe Rogan?

  Right. So this is a lot more financially cost effective.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:50Joe Rogan?

  So with the cold plunge thing, you're saying so because it's a commercial unit, it would work differently and it'd be more robust?

• 43:57Speaker 02

  Well, it's not using pressure.

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Right? It's so it's circulating through this machine and it's creating, you know, using electrolysis and creating the hydrogen gas going back into the tub. Because you don't need, you're not trying to drink a therapeutic dose. You're trying to bathe in a dose. So you don't need as high part per million. So you don't need the pressure. But the really cool thing is because if you do it in a cold plunge, and when I pull this off, I'll send you one. If you do it in a cold plunge, because you know, as the temperature drops, the more you can dissolve more gas in that volume of liquid. So ideally you would have the hydrogen generator outside of your cold plunge. Let your cold plunge run and fill with hydrogen gas. And then you're getting in there for the inflammatory response anyway, a lot of times.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Plus the brown fat activation and cold shock protein release and all peripheral vasoconstriction, all of that. But you would now be exposing yourself to very high doses of hydrogen gas. You'd feel amazing getting out of there.

• 44:59Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  When I, when I bathe in that hydrogen gas, so my wife Sage had a really bad car accident right, right before we met 10 years ago. And she severely.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Damaged her spine, her L5S1 and ended up having to have a spinal fusion. And so her L5S1 is fused. And even though she's thin, she's fit, she, she gets a lot of low back pain. And when her back pain flares up, there's no chance she's sleeping. But when we put her into that hydrogen nanobath, I mean, 25 minutes in there, she sleeps like a little baby. And it's very calming, too. It's that shifting you from that sympathetic state, that kind of fight or flight to that parasympathetic state of rest and digest. You can feel that the effects of that hydrogen gas, when it goes transdermal and starts to relax you, you know, feels, feels good.

• 45:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like the more effective way is to do it in a warm tub, though, because you can stay in there for longer. So you'd get more exposure. So you would get less hydrogen, but more exposure than the three minute cold plunge?

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I, this is where, you know, I, I'd like to see some data, which I don't have. So I do know that if you, if the water is colder, you're gonna, you're gonna dissolve more gas. Cause you're, so you're gonna have a higher part per million in cold water than you are in warm water. But then you gotta look at what's happening in warm water. You're probably having, your pores are dilated, you've got a little vasodilation, you probably have better surface circulation in your skin. So you might be actually carrying more of the hydrogen through the skin. I don't know. Versus when you're in a cold plunge, you're gonna have that peripheral vasodilation. You're still gonna get hydrogen through the skin, cause it's a higher, it's a higher dose. But I don't have any clinical data to say that one is better than the other.

• 46:43Joe Rogan?

  Have you done the cold plunge hydrogen?

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, I-

• 46:46Joe Rogan?

  You did it with a bath bomb?

• 46:48Speaker 02

  I did it, I didn't do it with a bath bomb. I did it with the one in my house that, I actually have three of these machines. I did it with the one in my house that recirculates it. You throw a hose over one side and, and it sucks the water out of your cold plunge. And then you throw a hose over the other side and it puts the hydrogen gas back in.

• 47:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, how long does the process take to hydrogenate?

• 47:08Speaker 02

  I let it, I let it run for like 15 or 20 minutes, cause I wanted it to be really saturated. And the water looks kinda milky. In fact, I did it, I had Laura Trump over for, we, we shot this Fox News- Event for her show, for her Laura Trump show, and I did it for us to do this cold plunge shoot. I added the hydrogen gas to the cold plunges before we got in there. Felt amazing getting out of there. Now I'm trying to actually plummet right into the cold plunge, so it's just in line. So it just runs either all the time, or I can turn a valve and turn the hydrogen gas on and have the gas go into the go into the cold plunge.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  So that's the next thing. But right now, for people, you can just go get these hydrogen bath bombs.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  You can get these hydrogen bath bombs.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  And where would you get one of those?

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Drink H2 Tab.

• 47:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you have them?

• 48:00Speaker 02

  DrinkH2Tab.com.

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  Okay, alright.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you go there and get the bath bomb. I mean, try it. I mean, just throw one of those bath bombs in there. And feel how much different your body feels when you're bathing in hydrogen gas. It's incredible. I really feel like it is one of the best hacks that so few people are using. I mean, so many people aren't anti-inflammatory, so many people are suffering from inflammation, not just neural inflammation in the brain.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  But nonspecific markers of inflammation like C-reactive protein, homocysteine, that are causing all kinds of havoc. I mean, you think about the fact that about 70% of our circulation is not done by our heart. Our heart circulates about 30% of the blood in our body, but the other 70% of the circulation is is an activity called vasomotor or vasomotion. I think of a snake swallowing a mouse. And we don't really cater to this part of our circulatory system.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  Explain what you're saying, a snake swallowing a mouse?

• 49:01Speaker 02

  So think of a snake. So if the heart doesn't circulate roughly 70% of the blood in our body.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  How is that circulation occurring? Because obviously, blood is still moving. You have about 63,000 miles of blood vessel in your body. And so, your heart is not strong enough in a single contraction. Your left ventricle, your heart that's ejecting that blood is not strong enough to push the blood through 63,000 miles of vessel. And so, how does the majority of this circulation occur? Well, the majority of our circulation is microvascular. So, the microvascular circulation does not move blood by pressure. It moves blood by something called vasomotion or vasomotor. And the best way I can describe vasomotion or vasomotor is to think of a snake swallowing a mouse.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  And the reason why I say that is because there's no pressure coming in the front of the snake. It's not being pushed down the snake's throat. It's being muscularly moved down the snake's throat. So, it's a wave-like motion. It's this wave-like motion called vasomotor or vasomotion. And vascular laxity, the laxity that's in your vessels matters. Your blood viscosity matters. And inflammation matters. This is why, when you look at the percentage of high blood pressure diagnoses, for example, if you were to just Google, "What percentage of hypertension, primary hypertension, essential

• 50:36Speaker 02

  hypertension, or high blood pressure is idiopathic?" Of unknown origin, you'd see that 85% of all high blood pressure, hypertensive diagnosis, are idiopathic. We don't know the origin. And so, we examine these people's heart. EKG, EEG, heart sounds, lung sounds, maybe a dye contrast study, maybe a CT angiogram, maybe some other kind of diagnostic heart imaging. We can't find anything wrong with the heart. And we medicate the heart anyway, generally for a crime it's not committing, when there's an 85% chance it's actually something other than the heart. And we never look to the microvascular circulation. We never look to the 70% of our circulation that's actually not done by our heart.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  What are we doing to cater to that 70% of our circulation? Well, things like resveratrol, hydrogen gas, lowering our homocysteine, which is, for most people, is very simple to do. I use an amino acid called trimethylglycine.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  To help people metabolize homocysteine because those microvasculature is very susceptible to high levels of homocysteine. And there's so many people that have ailments that are consequences of poor circulation. And we're treating something completely different. So for example, we're focused on concentration, lots of autoimmune conditions. If you look at the circulation in the brain, liver, lungs, pancreas, kidneys, you'll see that the majority of this circulation is microvascular. You know, I've talked about why, why you and I both had a positive experience, for example, with red light. What is red light doing to our eyes? Is it fixing the rods, the macula, the cones, the retina?

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Was there something damaged that red light fixed? No, it just restored healthy vasomotor activity to the back of your eye, which is why I never wear protection in a, in a red light bed. Now, am I saying a red light bed is going to cure your eyesight? No. I'm getting so beat up for that. But red light therapy is extraordinarily good for vasomotor circulation. Why, why do you think it improves your skin, the collagen, the elastin, the fibrin? Why do you think it reduces fine lines and wrinkles? Why does it improve, why can it improve our eyesight? Because it restores healthy vasomotor activity. And there's so much microvasculature in our body that we don't really cater to this entire segment of our circulatory system.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Think about how small a capillary artery has to be to carry a fluid to the edge of the lung, exchange a gas with the inside of the lung, pull that gas into the fluid and not bleed into the lung. So just think about how tiny that tube has to be and how many of those you have to have. Because don't forget, right outside of your lungs, you've got fluid, those alveoli are grabbing, are grabbing gas and throwing that into a fluid. Well, at some point, that pipe has to meet a piece of tissue. How's it not bleeding into that tissue? It is that small and it's microvascular. This is also where hydrogen gas comes into play.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  So I don't know where I was going with that point, but I just find it fascinating that we've got so many things that we can do to cater to a lot of these ailments that people chalk up to a consequence of aging, and they can be as simple as catering to that portion of your circulatory system.

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• 55:04Joe Rogan?

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• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  follow all these protocols: hydrogen gas, fitness, healthy food, no seed oil, no drinking, and just see what do they look like after 20 years?

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, 20 years. 20 years would be wild.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Be like sending one of them to space, you know? And it's so funny, because, you know, we're so wrapped around our medical system that's really 50, 60 years old, 70 years old, and how important a randomized clinical trial is, and placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial that's been peer-reviewed and all of this. But we negate the eastern philosophies that very often have been around for thousands of years. And I almost have more, lend more validity to something that's actually stood the test of time. Like, something that doesn't work is not going to last a thousand years. You know, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't work. When we were, when we were in the mortality space, we never used randomized clinical trials.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  We used big data. And I think what you're about to see now, that I was alluding to before, is we've built an entire system on, you know, the most rigorous scientific study being the randomized clinical, you know, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial. And so that is the gold standard. And if it hasn't been through this process, it is not valid. Well, we've never done randomized clinical trials on parachutes.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  I wouldn't jump out of an airplane without one. Who wants to be in that? Who wants to be in the control group? Okay, Stan?

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  You line up here, you're getting a knapsack and a prayer book and we're getting a parachute.

• 58:07Joe Rogan?

  That's a very good point. It's a very good point for, there's some things you really can't run randomized controlled studies on.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, sometimes we just have data, right? We have really good data. And, and, and one of the things I used to get just absolutely slaughtered for was I spoke out about the, the simple LDL hypothesis of cholesterol, saying that there is no correlation between elevated levels of LDL cholesterol on its own and cardiovascular disease. You had to have corresponding increases in triglyceride, you had to have inflammatory factors, you usually had to have other metabolic factors like hyper triglyceridemia, hyperinsulinemia. And, and, and yet, everybody, you know, would really come after me for that.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  And now we're starting to see that the data on statins is really falling apart. You know, I mean, big data is starting to tell us that the, the extension of life is, is near zero. But the extension of all-cause mortality is near zero. And then the complications downstream, which we never study. I mean, you'll never find a randomized clinical trial looking at more than one pharmaceutical compound in the same biome. Yet, almost everybody at the age of 60 is on five or more prescriptions. But we don't study prescriptions in, in concert with one another. We study them independently. We say, okay, if you have high cholesterol, you're on a statin. Okay, that's independent.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  If you have, you know, your hemoglobin A1C is over 6.4, you're now insulin dependent. Okay, so now you're on insulin. You've been a little sad lately, so now you're on an SSRI. And your thyroid is hypofunction, so now you're also on a synthroid, or levothyroxine, or armarthyroid. And, you know, your blood's gotten a little thick because you're on hormone therapy, so now you are on a blood thinner. We've never studied the compounding effect of all of these different pharmaceuticals in the same biome. We just assumed that the randomized clinical trial in these independent silos is valid, even though we're going to smack all of these things together. And one of the things that we learned in the mortality space was...

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  The more pharmaceuticals you were on, the easier it was for us to predict your life expectancy. It was extraordinarily accurate. For example, if somebody started a corticosteroid, which is very common for rheumatoid arthritis and, you know, other forms of joint pain and whatnot. If you started a corticosteroid, you had, by our data, six years and one day until you were getting a joint replacement. Jesus. Six years and one day. That's the average? That was the average. So, let's say, for example, that... Why is that? Because initially corticosteroids are anti-inflammatory, but then they eat the joint like a termite. Oh, God. And, you know, we knew this in professional sports. A lot of careers were ended early

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  from cortisone injections. You know, a lot of athletes had their careers actually end early because they got too many, too many cortisone injections. How many is too many? You know, it sort of depends on the joint and the, and the, and the location. One of them can be beneficial? One of them can be very beneficial. In the acute phase of, of pain or injury, they can be very beneficial. But what they used to do is, because these were repetitive use injuries and, you know, very often they would just dose the athlete up before a game. So, I mean, Joe Theismann, I mean, not Joe Theismann, Joe Montana, you know, he's one of those careers that ended early very likely because of cortisone injections. And you keep injecting the same ligamentous tissue with cortisone, eventually you will weaken that tissue and it will snap. You know, first it has an anti-inflammatory reaction, but

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  then it starts to break down the cartilage like, like a termite. In fact, it was so accurate that very often what would happen is, people would get misdiagnosed with conditions like rheumatoid because they had the same symptomology as rheumatoid, but what they actually had was a long-term clinical deficiency in vitamin D3. And, and you would see that they would have single-digit vitamin D3 for decades. And then all of a sudden, they would start to present with symptoms that mimicked rheumatoid. They would say, hey, doc, you know, my soles of my feet and ankles are sore when I get out of bed in the morning to go take my first pee. My, I feel like I had a workout the night before when I haven't, you know, my low back

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  hurts and that my, my knees and hips and shoulders are stiff. Now it's spread to my upper back and lately it's kind of hard to make a really tight fist. If you give those symptoms to the wrong primary care doctor, maybe without doing any, any confirming diagnosis, without sed rates, without RA factors, they go, you know what, Joe, you've got rheumatoid arthritis. But don't worry, I'm going to put you on something called a corticosteroid. You're going to take this pill every morning and you're going to be fine. Methotrexate, whatever it is. And initially you feel great because it kills the inflammation, but then it starts to erode the cartilaginous surface. So if you think about the fact that you had a nutrient deficiency, that you're now being treated with a pharmaceutical.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  And six years and one day later, now, by the way, the methotrexate, for example, will give you a gene mutation, but it will mimic a gene mutation called MTHFR. Oh, that one. That one, the motherfucker gene. Motherfucker gene. Yeah, the motherfucker gene. So even if you don't have MTHFR, let's try one of those. Yeah, I might as well try it. Even if you don't have MTHFR, if you take methotrexate, you inhibit your, your folate metabolism. Cheers. Cheers, bro. Now hydrogen gas, now coffee. I actually saw you sniffing something on one of your podcasts. Smell salts. What was that? I don't want to do it, by the way. You can do it. No, I'm not. No, no, no, no, no. I brought it up at the wrong time.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Give me a freshie. I'm not doing it. Here we go.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  I just see all this shit over here. Oh, this is a fresh one. So this one hasn't been opened yet. What is that? This is, uh, do you know who Juju Mufu is? Crazy. Juju Mufu? Yeah, super cra- well, he's an influencer, but he's like ve- very impressive athlete. Like, super jacked. Dude, if you've got a name like Juju Mufu. You gotta be able to beat ass. Incredibly flexible. This is the guy. Oh, yeah, I've seen him. He's a freak. Like, a real freak. I mean, for sure, he's not natural. There's not a fucking chance in hell. But I don't care. But, what, uh, he makes this stuff. Uh, we have no affiliation with him. We buy it. It's not, we're not sponsored. So people, "Oh, you making money off that, bro?" No. Money off? No, I'm not making it. Dude, I'm scared, dude. I saw Theo Von almost, almost like... Brian Simpson took his headphones off and ran out of the room.

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  No, dude, I'm not getting anywhere near that. No. This is a good one. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna sniff it with the top on. Just the bag, oh, and it's sealed. Give me the bag, I'll do the bag. Just take a sniff of the bag.

• 1:05:08Joe Rogan?

  This is so wrong. It is wrong. I feel so dirty. Oh, my god, dude! That's nothing. That's nothing. That's just the bag that the smelling salts have been sitting in. Oh, oh, my god! So what powerlifters do is they take a sniff of this shit right before they lift weights. You ready? Here we go. No, I'm not. There's zero chance.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, lordy. Dude, there is zero chance I'm gonna... Get on in, bro. Come on, reach for it, peer pressure. Take it, get it about six inches from the nose, take a haul. It's good for you. I can't guarantee it's good for you. No, no, no, that was nothing. Oh, you're such a baby. Come on, you're a biohacker. You're a real man. Get in there. Take a sniff. Yeah, that was real man, I don't do this shit. Get in there, bro. Get in there. One, two, three, go. Sniff. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, god, the... That's what I'm talking about. Let's go. And that was a s- a fresh sheet. The fresh ones are the really hard ones. We have these in the green room of the comedy club. People get addicted. They're all, they're all taking sniffs before they go onstage. Yeah, it'll come back better.

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Come back stronger. I have no data to support that, by the way.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  Now I'm gonna go down the rabbit hole of that.

• 1:06:24Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna want another one in about five minutes. About five minutes, you're gonna say, give me round two. Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Where were we, dude? We were actually something important. I want to. MTHFR, I think.

• 1:06:36Joe Rogan?

  Um, I did want to ask you about cholesterol before I forget. Um, where did the narrative come from that there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol? And that HDL is good, LDL is bad, you want to lower your LDL and you want to take a statin? Where did all this?

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  So, um, so, you know, high density lipoprotein and low density lipoprotein. Um, you know, the HDL, the high density lipoprotein is generally considered the good cholesterol. And the LDL, the low density or VLDL, very low density lipoprotein are considered the bad cholesterol because they're softer, right? Um, but what, what we know now is that the size of the cholesterol molecule matters a lot. In other words, these, the smaller the particulate size of cholesterol, the easier it is to cross into the arterial wall, gets eaten by macrophage and it forms something called a foam cell, which is essentially this, this foam cell process of oxidized cholesterol is what is the genesis of narrowing of the arteries, right?

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  But again, we have to remember that cholesterol is called to the site of inflammation. So if you had two people, one with cholesterol of 100 and LDL cholesterol and another one with cholesterol of 129, um, does a person with 129 have a higher incidence of cardiovascular disease? No. Um, does, does the person of 129 have a greater risk of, um, a cardiovascular event? No, just because they have elevated LDL cholesterol. Now, if you start to look at other markers like C-reactive protein, which is a great marker for cardiovascular risk, if you look at, um, triglyceride cholesterol ratio, because remember fat triglyceride is largely transported around the body on, on the, on the surface of cholesterol.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  So if, if cholesterol was a tennis ball, the fuzzy yellow surface would be a fat triglyceride. And if you remember from high school geometry, as the size of a sphere gets smaller, its surface area to volume ratio goes up. So what that means is if I had two basketball, dude, I can still, that thing is, I gotta, I gotta seal this thing, dude. It's like, it's, I'm gonna go blind in my left eye. I'm trying to be smart and I can't see out of my left eye. Um, what is it?

• 1:08:55Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Ammonia? Ah, it's no joke, man. I remember, I remember my clinic when Dr. Sarda used to tape these things to the wall because she would do, she would do these shoulder injections on people and they would get woozy and she would just crack one of those smelling salts and they'd come right back.

• 1:09:12Joe Rogan?

  These were for boxers when they got knocked out. When they got rocked and they get into the corner, they'd give them smelling salts and wake right up. Wow. Not really, but.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  So let's say you had two basketballs of cholesterol. This is an oversimplified version for the audience, but you have two basketballs of cholesterol and they're covered in fat, okay, a triglyceride. And let's say I add more triglyceride to the bloodstream, right? Which, which happens when you eat high sugar, high glycemic carbohydrate. Why? Because part of insulin's role is, is to block forms of energy metabolism that would allow you to burn fat, or at least slow those pathways down. So essentially you have two, two basketballs of cholesterol and now I want to add more fat to the table. Those two basketballs become four softballs. If I add more triglyceride to the table, they become eight baseballs.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  If I had more triglyceride, they become 16 golf balls. And if I continue to raise triglyceride, they'll become 32 little BBs. So the point is, the amount of cholesterol stayed stable. The amount of triglyceride went up. As the amount of triglyceride went up, the size of the cholesterol molecule got smaller. So the two basketballs and the 32 BBs are the same volume of cholesterol, same nanogram per deciliter of cholesterol, just vastly different sizes. Those 32 BBs, very dangerous. Those two basketballs, very little danger. One is actually a marker for longevity, one is a marker for cardiovascular disease,

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  and it is the same amount of cholesterol, just different sizes. So different sizes.

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

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• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, your triglycerides would usually go down. Your LDL cholesterol will go up if you're on a ketogenic diet. Dr., I think it's Nader Singh is his name, did an unbelievable, he's a cardiologist, did an unbelievable YouTube video on this. I actually did a podcast with Dr. Aseem Malhotra, who is a cardiologist. Has he been here too? Yeah. Unbelievable guy. Hey, shout out to Aseem, he's incredible, incredible guy. And Aseem would tell you the same thing. You know, he fought the British Medical Journal and got publications that he was trying to have published, you know, pulled because he was fighting the narrative on statins, one of the biggest, biggest drugs in the world.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  We knew in the mortality space that... The centenarians that we were processing death claims on, I don't recall a time during my career when we had a death claim on a centenarian, somebody over the age of 100, that did not have elevated levels of LDL cholesterol at the time of their death. Because very often, these people would die either in hospitals or assisted care living facilities, and we'd process the death claim. And in order to get the death claim processed, you'd have to know, you know, day, date, time, location, cause of death. They'd have to, and we'd have to get a death certificate. And these people were dying with elevated levels of LDL cholesterol, which you would think, well, when they have died a lot younger of cardiovascular disease. And now the data is starting to come out to support these

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  other metabolic issues like hyperinsulinemia, you know, hyper triglyceridemia, you know, high blood sugar, that these, these are villains that precede cholesterol, you know, attaching to the arterial wall. And so when we talk about metabolic health, we really shouldn't just isolate LDL cholesterol. We should be looking at our blood pressure, you know, our abdominal obesity, our sugars mainly, whether or not, you know, what our fasting blood glucose is, what the three month average of our blood sugar is, our hemoglobin A1C, making sure that's below preferably 5.4. Looking at our insulin, because insulin resistance

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  develops a long time before a lot of these things show up. And looking at other inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein and just generalized markers of inflammation. Because most people are eating a very pro-inflammatory diet. And this is why you can't isolate one thing and say seed oils are what's killing Americans, you know, vaccines are what's killing Americans, aluminum vaccines or fluoride in drinking water. It's the cumulative dose toxicity of all of these things. You know, our water is toxic. And we have fluoride, we have chlorines, we have PFAs, polyfluoroalkyls, we have microplastics, we have bisphenols. You know, I actually did a test on myself and my entire family. Called a vibrant wellness test. And you, it's a blood and urine test.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  And essentially it tells you whether you got mold, mycotoxins, heavy metals, all of these different things. The amount of BPAs in my blood, and I am, I would consider myself pretty on top of my diet game. The amount of BPAs, there were traces of jet fuel, there are aflatoxins. Jet fuel. There were traces of jet fuel. From all your flying? Like accelerants, like aerosol accelerants, maybe from flying, I fly a lot. My daughter had it in her, in her blood too, and so did my wife. And then we, and then we all had very similar species of mold, which we, which we got rid of. And I felt a lot better. And it was in your home?

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  It was in, it was actually in my daughter's apartment. We actually ended up having our doctor write a letter and, and break her lease. And we moved her into an apartment right next to us in, in Coconut Grove in Florida. But she was starting to have, and she's a nurse, and she was starting to have these strange symptoms, just brain fog, her joints were just killing her in the morning. By the end of the day, her ankles were swollen. Her mood started to collapse, like the peaks and valleys of her mood kind of went away. She, and she was, you know, I was bringing her over to the house. And obviously as a biohacker, I'm trying to solve everything. So I was like, we gotta do this vibrant wellness test medicine. We gotta figure out what's going on. And then boom, the mold just jumped off the chart.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  Our youngest daughter too, is suffering from recurrent sore throats. And you know that viruses and, I mean, bacteria and, and mold have been mortal enemies for years. I mean, think penicillin and bacteria, right? And so we live in the mold capital of the world. And very often when you get mold toxicity, it doesn't just, it's not just a constant infection. It has a latent phase, a dormant phase, and then, and then a sporulating phase. And so these, these mold infections, which a lot of doctors will tell you are complete nonsense, are absolutely valid. I mean, there are people that right now that have severe brain fog, they have joint pain, they have really poor focus and concentration, and short-term memory issues.

• 1:17:47Speaker 02

  They've got hormone imbalance, they've got water retention, and they got swollen ankles.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  And they cannot really figure it out and they'll do a standard blood test and you don't see this on a standard blood test. And when you do something like a vibrant and you look at these, this mold toxicity, you get rid of it and you see the entire blood panel, you know, comes back into optimal ranges and they feel amazing, just like my, my daughter, we did EBO2, we did sauna, we did gut binders, activated charcoal binders, hydroxy glutathione, and over the next few weeks, we slowly walked, you know, this mold right out of her, her system. But people suffer from this all the time. In fact, I've been deep down the rabbit hole of a lot of the foundations of these autoimmune

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  diseases, because in my previous clinic, we had 150, 160,000 patients come through our, our clinic system and nearly everyone that we saw that had an autoimmune disease was told by their doctor, you just woke up one day and your immune system went haywire. Right? So you, you have Crohn's disease because one day you woke up and your immune system is manufacturing antibodies to your colon, or you have hypothyroid because you woke up one morning and, and your, your immune system is manufacturing antibodies to your thyroid, so yeah, now you have Hashimoto's, or the lacunar gland in your eye and you have chagrin's, or, you know, your blood, you have lupus.

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  And we immediately just assumed that God made a mistake, that the immune system is malfunctioning. Instead of taking, taking a step back and saying, you know, what if actually the immune system is acting properly? What if God didn't make a mistake? What if it's attacking the colon for a reason? We just have to figure it out. And if you just eliminated four things, mold mycotoxin, heavy metals, viruses, and parasites, just those four categories, I believe that you would get to the majority of the genesis of, of autoimmune diseases. So, you know, some of these autopsy studies on multiple sclerosis, for example, were 100% positive for certain colonies of helminths. Helminths?

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  Helminths, which are parasites. And, and...

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  And these helminth colonies, or the larvae from these, were actually in the myelin sheath of 10 of 10 autopsies that they did on multiple sclerosis patients. I'm not by any way mean saying that everybody that has multiple sclerosis has parasitic infection. But there are healthy parasites. There's categories of helminths that are very, very healthy. And some of the underdeveloped countries in the world where actually they have these healthy parasites, which we've wiped out for the large part here, they don't get multiple sclerosis, or they have very, very low incidence on multiple sclerosis. And one of the theories is that because we have disrupted the balance of not only bacteria, but parasites in our

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  guts, specifically TSO parasites, which are healthy parasites, that the pathogenic parasites proliferate and they burrow, their larvae burrow into the myelin sheath and they're part of the genesis of multiple sclerosis. My whole point in saying that is if you take any pathogen, let's just take this one right here. What this is, it looks like a Donald Trump coin. So I don't know if the audience could see this, but let's say this was a mold spore, or mycotoxin, or this was a heavy metal, or even a virus. And this was a healthy cell. You see that they don't hide like this, right? Metals, mycotoxins, mold, viruses,

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  even in some cases parasites, they don't hide outside of the cell like this. They hide like this. Inside the cell. Inside the cell. I mean, but when a virus, when the nucleocapsid protein of a virus attaches to a cell and injects its DNA, that's the way that it takes over that cell. It's kind of like being bitten by the zombie, right? I mean, a virus is not a living thing. It's an envelope that's wrapped around DNA. But when that envelope attaches to the cell wall, and it squirts the DNA inside, now the virus has taken over the host cell, right? So it's inside the cell. But the point is that the immune system is not after this. It's not after the cell. It's after this. So how does it get to this? It has to kick down this wall.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  It has to break through this cell wall. And very often, in order to do that, it needs to manufacture an antibody to this cell. If you look, for example, at Hashimoto's, which a lot of people have, these people have Hashimoto's and they're told, okay, well, you woke up one day and your immune system decided to attack the thyroid. You're manufacturing antibodies to your thyroid. And so, well, why is it attacking my thyroid? Well, we don't know. Let's look at your family history. Oh, your mom's sister had it and your dad's brother had it. Oh, you have familial Hashimoto's.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  Even though there is no gene for Hashimoto's, so you couldn't have inherited it from your ancestor, because it now runs in your family, you're told that you have a genetically inherited disease and now you have to subscribe to a lifetime of medication. Instead of taking a step back and saying, well, what would have called my immune system to that site? And look at the incidence of heavy metal toxicity, mercury poisoning in Hashimoto's. And look at the amount of lead and mercury poisoning in Hashimoto's because the thyroid has an affinity for heavy metals. And very often, when they retreat into the thyroid, the immune system will chase them there. And look at the genesis of a lot of Crohn's disease. I mean, a lot of Crohn's disease has to do with the disruption of the single cell layer

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  in your gut that allows bacteria and other pathogenic contents that should stay inside the luminal wall of your gut. They leak out and they're in an area that they don't belong and the immune system is attacking them there. And then we want to hold the immune system responsible for the crime and say, hey, we're going to arrest the police officer for what this criminal did. I mean... Those contents are in areas of the body where they don't belong. And so, we're going to put you on an immunosuppressant, or we're going to put you on an anti-inflammatory, and we're actually going to stop the immune system from protecting you. Instead of saying, "What contents could be leaking from my gut that are causing the immune system to light up?" And you could just keep going through lots of autoimmune diseases like this,

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  you know, multiple sclerosis, a lot of these conditions. But mold, mycotoxins, metals, parasites. I mean, if I was ever told that I had an autoimmune disease, I would not accept it until I had done those kinds of tests.

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. So, back to the narrative of HDL and LDL. How did it get formed that LDL is the bad cholesterol?

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  Because the majority of people that had high LDL cholesterol also had high other factors going on in their body. And just like a lot of these randomized clinical trials, we look at things in isolation. We study one thing in isolation. One of the worst things we do, in my opinion, in modern science, is study human anatomy, or human physiology, or biochemistry in isolation. So, we say, "We're going to take a cell out of the body. We're going to put it in a lab. We're going to look how it behaves in a Petri dish. And then we're going to assume that when I put that cell back into the body, it's going to behave the same way." And so, we didn't solve for all of these other factors. Well, what was the person's insulin level? What was their fasting glucose? What was their hemoglobin A1C? What were their other inflammatory markers?

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  Like C-reactive protein, creatine phosphokinase. What were the other lifestyle factors that were going on? And what you'll find is correlation between high levels of cholesterol and people that have cardiovascular disease, but not because of the cholesterol, because of all of the diet and lifestyle risk factors that go around it. But we can build a multi-billion dollar, in fact, a trillion dollar industry by just lowering this one biomarker. And when we lower this biomarker, if that biomarker were directly linked to all-cause mortality, if it were directly linked to the incidence of cardiovascular disease, then we would see, in the population where we lowered this biomarker,

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  we would see an extension of mortality, right? Because we said this biomarker was high, LDL. So, if we lower it with the statin, then we're going to see an extension in mortality. And lo and behold, we see no extension in mortality.

• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  So, how's it continued to be used?

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  Because it's continued to be marketed that way. You have to understand that there's a box that is called the standard of care. And I don't subscribe to the fact that physicians are trying to harm you. In fact, I have the deepest respect for people that are licensed to practice medicine because I'm not one of them. And, you know, they go through a schooling to learn to practice within something called the standard of care. If you're outside of the standard of care, your malpractice is at risk. Your reimbursement is at risk. Your career is at risk. So you may very well be doing something that is in your scope of practice, but it is outside the standard of care. So most physicians will migrate back into the standard of care.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  So even if you go around to a bunch of allopathic doctors and get multiple opinions, they'll all be within this box. When you jump outside of that box, you've got to be talking to somebody who's willing to say, "Okay, you probably have to pay me cash. You probably have put my malpractice at risk. I don't have malpractice coverage for this type of treatment." Not because they're breaking the law, but because they're not within the standard of care. It's just like when physicians started to prescribe ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for COVID when it wasn't the standard of care, even though there were millions and millions and millions of scripts written for these pharmaceuticals that were proven to be extraordinarily safe. I mean, our doctor used to have to write it for joint pain during COVID.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  So she wouldn't potentially risk her license. So what happens is you develop a herd mentality because the system for reimbursement, how they get paid, the system for coverage, how they get malpractice coverage, and the system for their career is all dependent on things being inside of a certain box. And the standard of care for someone with elevated LDL cholesterol is to put them on a statin. If you don't do that, you could be risking your license. And why is that the standard of care? Because pharma dictates that that's the standard of care. They also dictate the reimbursement rates. And so if you look at the study that was done in 2016 by Harvard,

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  which determined that medical error was the third leading cause of death. I think it was repeated by Hopkins in 2019. But the Harvard study in 2016 is very clear that the third leading cause of death in America is medical error. And when you look into the study for why, you know, were doctors just killing people? No. What happened was they looked at ICD 9, ICD 10, ICD 11 codes, how they're coding, you know, the diagnosis of what's happened to you. I have to, as a doctor, I've got to sort of slot you into a diagnostic code so I can get reimbursed and you can get medication and we can all get paid.

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  And, but if I don't have a diagnosis to slot you into, I gotta pick sort of the next nearest one. And there is no diagnosis or way for me to be reimbursed or, or to make a living if I go, "Look, Joe, your, your hemoglobin A1C is like 5.7. You're early-stage prediabetic. Um, you know, you've got a little abdominal obesity going on. Your blood pressure's creeping towards the, the high side. Your fasting glucose is, is, is really high. Let's talk about some diet and lifestyle choices. Tell me what's going on in your life. What's a typical day of your diet look like? You know, can I put you on a treadmill for 25 or 30 minutes? Can I talk to you about intermittent fasting? You know, can I talk to you about things like a whole food diet? No. None of that.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  All of that is outside the standard of care. If something happens to you and I haven't practiced within the standard of care, I'm at risk. And so I think a lot of that is what's really exciting about Maha's. I think a lot of that is going to begin to change. You're gonna see Bobby Kennedy and his team, again, in my opinion, you're gonna see Bobby Kennedy and his team, which have been empowered to make real change, not just getting, you know, poison out of our food supply and having the generally regarded as safe guidelines, look at food safety before we put it into the public domain. But you're really gonna see him go after corruption in our nutritional research, corruption

• 1:30:56Speaker 02

  in our, in our governmental oversight bodies. How is it that we can have people that sit in the Food and Drug Administration and regulate private industry and at the end of that regulatory career go in to work for the same industry that they purported to regulate? And sometimes for 10 times what they would make as a regulator.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Kind of kooky.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  It seems to me like you would get arrested for that in another industry.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  Right? I mean, if you did that in the securities industry, the banking industry, you wouldn't get away with it. And, you know, 70, north of 70%, I think the number 74% of our nutritional research is funded by private industry. You know, we privatize the profit, but we socialize the expense. And by this, I mean like we socialize through the tax subsidized medical system, Medicaid, Medicare, the expenses. Right? So the expenses go onto the taxpayer, but the payments go to private industry. So we privatize the profit and we socialize the risk. And then the private industry that benefits from this doesn't even have a fiduciary to the patients that they serve.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  They actually have a fiduciary to the investor and they can go to prison for not actually performing for their investor. They can't go to prison for not performing for their patient. So if I make a pharmaceutical that goes into your body, but somebody lent, you know, invested in my company to make that pharmaceutical, my responsibility is to them, not to you. So now you get harmed, you get harmed, I'm held harmless. But if I harm him by not selling it to you for the right margin, he gets to put me in prison. It's mine. It's so ass backwards.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  It's so ass backwards and it's such an uphill sludge. I mean, what the current administration has to do, what Bobby Kennedy has to do is sort of restructure decades and decades of what's essentially corruption.

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and there's a lot of people fighting him on it, man.

• 1:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I can only imagine because the amount of profit, you know, when you're talking about these industries. The amount of money they generate is astronomical. And they're responsible for so much of the advertising revenue of mainstream media. That mainstream media not only will not cover the negative aspects of their drugs, but will heavily criticize anyone who tries to go outside the narrative.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Very true. And I mean, you know, look at this, you know, this strong kids commission. You know, it's, the idea is to try to go to schools, put physical education back into schools, get highly processed foods out of the schools, and actually not to fat shame kids, but to pro body morphic encourage them. Like, yes, it's okay to not want to be sloppy and out of shape and to call that out and to actually be physically fit and healthy. It's not that you have to be there to be, to gain status, but it's okay to not want to be fat.

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

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• 1:36:23Joe Rogan?

  However, if someone pulls you aside and says, hey Bobby, you're overweight and it's fucking up your health and you know, it's, it's really bad for you. If that makes you feel bad and that feeling bad inspires a change in your lifestyle, in your diet, in exercise routines and what you do, that's a positive. And sometimes you have to feel bad. Like someone has to give you an F for you to realize, oh my God, I'm gonna fail in this class unless I study harder. Yeah. Like that's part of life and you can't just coddle people and expect success. That's not how it works. I totally agree. It's one of the most important aspects of athletics.

• 1:37:08Joe Rogan?

  Because athletics are a very clear, it's a very clear formula. That the more work you put in, the harder you train, the more results you'll get. As long as you're not overtraining and you know, you do it correctly. If you put in the effort. The ultimate sieve. Yeah. You work hard, you will get results. And that's, that's.

• 1:37:30Joe Rogan?

  It's a vehicle for the rest of your life. If you can learn that at a young age, that's why I think athletics are so important for young people. If you can learn that at an early age, that the discomfort is necessary for growth. Like being tired, pushing yourself, working out when you don't want to. Like pushing yourself to the point where your body has to adapt and grow and become stronger. Is a part of this process and it's beneficial. And through doing that, you will actually feel better. It is actually a medicine. If you could get the way, if you get the way I feel. After I have a hard, if I cold plunge, have a hard workout, get in the sauna, stretch out and then go about my day.

• 1:38:12Joe Rogan?

  If you could put that in a pill, people are like, oh my God, my new anti-anxiety medication is just so incredible.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:38:18Joe Rogan?

  My doctor is just, it's so incredible. I'm so happy that I went to this doctor because he put me on the right stuff.

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:24Joe Rogan?

  That pill, especially if it did all the things that exercise did without exercise. It would be the most valuable pill in the world.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:32Joe Rogan?

  But getting people to feel discomfort voluntarily is so difficult. When people have this sedentary lifestyle and this lazy mind and this entitlement that so many people have. Where they feel like the world owes them something.

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Instead of, I owe myself. I've got to work for myself. I've got to put off these feelings of, I've got to delay these feelings of, you know, relaxation and comfort and delay it. And give myself some voluntary discomfort so that I can feel true peace.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I actually trademarked the statement, aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. By the way, if you want to use that, just use it. I won't sue you. But.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, actually aging, that's part of it too.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. And if you think about that for a minute, it truly is. The more aggressively we seek comfort, the faster we age. It's like, we really got to stop telling grandma not to go outside, it's too hot, not to go outside, it's too cold.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  It's not even really aging, right? It's deterioration.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  It's deterioration.

• 1:39:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're going to act, your muscles will atrophy, your bone density will decrease. Your ligaments and your tendons will lose.

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  Because we seek comfort.

• 1:39:47Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  I mean, when has a cold plunge not sucked?

• 1:39:51Joe Rogan?

  Every day.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  For me, it sucks every time.

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to do, every day while I'm doing it, there's my little inner bitch that's trying to talk me out of it. My little inner bitch has a little whispery voice, though. It's like, you know, you don't really want to do this.

• 1:40:05Speaker 00

  You don't need to, Joe.

• 1:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is gonna suck. Maybe you could just go eat cake.

• 1:40:08Speaker 00

  You're rich and successful.

• 1:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't have to do this. But thankfully, the general, the general is what I call the one part of my brain that I, I try to keep the most dominant. That, that where I tell myself, shut the fuck up. Shut up, stupid. Get in there. This is not, this is unavoidable. Get in there.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  I hear, uh, David Goggins in my, um, in my head, like, you know, like, shut up, you pussy. Get in there. Get in there. Cold punch. He's like, what does he say? Don't negotiate with yourself. My, my, my son and I went, went on this, uh, race called the Great World Race, which is seven marathons, seven continents in seven days. And, um, and I did a couple of half marathons and one full marathon. But he did all seven marathons on all seven continents in seven days.

• 1:40:56Joe Rogan?

  How banged up was he by the end of seven days?

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was, uh, this was in November, so he's 24 now. He's 23 at the time, so it was like five months ago. And, um, I guess at 23, you kind of feel like you can't be killed by a bullet.

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  Turns out by Cartagena, he was, he was feeling it, but, um, but we took the David Goggins book with us and we read like, I was reading like a chapter out of it every, every day, but, um, it was a crazy experience because, so my son Cole and myself and my, my, uh, cameraman, my production guy, went with us. And initially I'm like, this is so awesome. We're gonna see all seven continents in seven days. We're gonna see Antarctica. Do by the third marathon, I, I was in.

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  Just, I was so exhausted and in so, in so much pain. And I'd only done like half marathons when we got off the, got off the flight in Antarctica. Every, all the, all the racers go out and start running. I had these big Timberland boots on and this big puffy jacket. And I was just sitting at the start line, just was gonna wait for my son. And I asked the race director, I'm like, how, how long are these loops? He's like, well, um, they're six point whatever miles and, uh, and there's four of them. And, uh, I was like, I could easily do one of these. So I just started running. In the Timberlands? In the, in these size 14 Timberlands.

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  Which I, which I immediately regretted because then the snow starts caking to the, um, to the bottom of my Timberland. So I ended up actually marching and not really running. And it was so funny because my, my, my son has these spikes on. So of course he laps me and he comes by. He's like, dad, what the fuck are you doing out here? I was like, I thought I'd give it a whirl. So I actually made three loops. So I got 18 miles. Oh, wow. He ran the whole 26.3. Then you get on the plane and then you fly five and a half hours in economy, sitting up like this. Right? You fly five and a half hours and you land in Cape Town, South Africa. And you get off the plane and immediately run another marathon. Oh, God. And it's balls hot.

• 1:43:07Speaker 02

  And, and then you, we packed up and from that marathon. So now these marathons were only like five and a half hours, six hours apart. So now you've done two marathons in 24 hours, one in Antarctica, one in the heat in South Africa. And then it was like 11 hours to Perth, Australia.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  And I ran another half there. He ran a full, full marathon there. And then you're done in Perth, Australia, and you pack up and we flew to Istanbul. And the cool thing about Istanbul is you could, you could run on, on the Asian side and then run on the European side. So this was like the only night we got to stay into a hotel room and actually take a shower. And so we get to Istanbul and, um, and the marathon was supposed to be along this wharf. It was like supposed to be, it's, it's, it's pitch black at night. Um, it's. The, the dock is all broken apart, you know, there's these big, huge cracks in the sidewalk. And it was 26.3 miles along this wharf.

• 1:44:10Speaker 02

  Only the thing was, we were told that they were gonna get all the fishermen off the wall. And so it was lines and lines and lines of these guys fishing at night. And they would take the- Oh, boy. And they would snap their hooks forward. And so we get there and we're like, this is way too frickin' dangerous. And I guess the, the company that they had hired to clear all these fishermen just took their, took their money in. And said the whole course was gonna be lit. Found out the course wasn't lit, so then you had to wear the, the headlamps. And, um, so it took them like an hour around 20 minutes to clear all these fishermen. But then we started running and, and we ran with those, uh, you know, those headlights on. Mm-hmm. And if you've ever been in the pitch black and you've just watched that light bounce in front of your eyes.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  For, I don't know how my son did it. Cause I ran for like, like an hour and a half and I was like, fuck this, I have nothing to prove.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  I'm 53, I'm gonna be 54.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  I've already run a few half marathons, I feel really good. So he ran the entire thing and I joined him for a bunch, a bunch of laps. But finally he just ripped the thing off his head because that light shaking in front of your eyes for four hours at a time, pretty soon you just start to go batty. And then you, you go to sleep, the next day you run on the Asian side. Then it was 19 hours to Cartagena. And, um, about a third of the athletes drank, uh, the water with the ice or ate the salad that was washed in the water from- Oh, no. And the worst Montezuma's revenge, Joe, you could ever imagine. Oh, no. Like a third of the plane wakes up, six or seven hours into this 19 hour flight.

• 1:45:53Speaker 02

  Just puking both ends. Oh, boy. Lines outside the bathroom. Lines outside the bathroom. Squeezing your butthole shut, trying to get in there in time. People laying in the, in the galleys, just throwing up into the trash cans. Oh, no. And I swear by the time we had landed, my son had lost so much weight and he was just in the, and then we had a hotel- We get to the hotel room, which you, you actually didn't get to spend the night. We, we got to the hotel room just to change and he's in there just puking. You know, crapping and finally gets his race gear on. We go downstairs and like half, half of the athletes are like, look like they're on their deathbed. And because we relate to Cartagena, the, the race goes off at like 12:30 in the afternoon, 12 o'clock

• 1:46:38Speaker 02

  in the afternoon. It's fricking 98 degrees, maybe 100 degrees, 90% humidity. It is the hottest, flattest, most unforgiving course. I remember turning to my production, head of my production team, this Max, and, um, and I was like, Max, there is zero chance he's finishing this marathon. Cause he'd already started about 208, 210 pounds and he was probably 190 by this time. And, um, and so I pull up next to my son and I was like, look, man, if you don't give up on this race, you know, I, I won't give up on you. And I sincerely regretted that at like mile 16 or 18, like saying that I would

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  run the whole race with him because everything in, I've never run a marathon, except for that day. Everything in my entire body hurt, Joe. Like, like I was in so much pain from the waist down that I think I was just completely numb. And he was just going from porta potty to porta potty, puking and shitting, puking and shitting, puking and shitting. And, um, I was having these sentimental moments where I was like, man, I'm so, so happy to be out here with you, dude. Like this is, we're going to look back on this one day and wish we were back here. And he would like, look at me and go, dad, shut the fuck up. Duh. And then we're quiet down for like another 30 or 40 minutes and I get sentimental again. And he'd tell me to shut the fuck up again. We ended up finishing the race though.

• 1:48:05Speaker 02

  I don't know how, I don't know how he did it. He sip, he sipped little ounces of coconut water for that entire Cartagena race. And then we had to get on the plane and fly to Miami to run the seventh one, which I didn't do. He, he did. Wow. But I don't even know why I brought that up, but It's crazy. It was a crazy, crazy moment. There were these women that were running this race, I kid you not, that they had Montezuma's revenge so bad that they would leave the race, race course and run into the, the bay that we were running beside and just shit themselves in the bay and then get back out and Oh my god. Keep running the race. And the guy that set the world record. In Antarctica, left the course in an ambulance in Cartagena.

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  It was insane, man.

• 1:48:47Joe Rogan?

  My friend Cam Haynes, when he was preparing for one of those ultra runs, when you run for three days, like 240 miles, he was running a marathon a day while he was working an eight-hour job.

• 1:48:57Speaker 02

  He was running a marathon a day?

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  A marathon a day, yeah.

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:01Speaker 02

  There's a guy right now in Bahrain, staying with Sheikh Nassr, who's the, one of the sons of the king of Bahrain. And he is running 150 full-distance triathlons in 150 days. When I was there, he was on 59. I kid you not.

• 1:49:23Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing the body's potential if you just continue to push it. The thing about Cam is Cam had been running for so long, for so many years, that he had this incredible base, this base of cardio. He was used to doing 10 miles every day. 170, 160?

• 1:49:38Speaker 02

  That's kind of big for that.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's not, well, his son is even fucking crazier. His son just broke the world record in pull-ups in 24 hours.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  In pull-ups?

• 1:49:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think he did 10,001 in 24 hours.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  10,001 in 24 hours?

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  So he had broke the, so Goggins had a record, he broke Goggins' record, and then some cat in Australia, he's young, he's like 25.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:50:05Joe Rogan?

  He's an animal, too. That's him. And he runs with jeans on, by the way.

• 1:50:08Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:50:09Joe Rogan?

  Just for a fucking goof. He runs with Origin jeans. Have you ever used those stretchy jeans that Origin makes?

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  I think I have.

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  They're basically sweatpants.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  I don't know if I'd run a marathon in them.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  They're basically sweatpants. They, they give you no resistance. You can kick somebody in the head with them, easy.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  He's gifted, though. Like, you can tell that stride. Like, he's just a...

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's been living with a fucking animal his whole life. So he, he came in seventh place in the Austin Marathon, and he is not built like a marathon guy. He's jacked.

• 1:50:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, he definitely is.

• 1:50:39Joe Rogan?

  I mean, obviously, won the world pull-up championship, or world pull-up record. He, he is where I got one of the ideas to carry a lot of weight for, like, like when I do 150 pounds.

• 1:50:50Speaker 02

  Oh, is that what he does?

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  So what he do, he did this thing where I think... It's a mile, like, see if you can find it. So he's carrying a sandbag. And I believe he has a weight vest on as well. And I think the overall weight is over 200 pounds and he goes over a mile with over 200 pounds.

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  Oh, just, just.

• 1:51:11Joe Rogan?

  And timed it. See if you can find that.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  Just walking like on a track.

• 1:51:14Joe Rogan?

  I'm going short distances when I'm carrying a heavyweight, but what I'm trying to do is, you know, Peter Attia talked about this too, like the importance of the ability to carry weight and walk with it. And then there's this guy, Tom.

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  Talks about the, the centenarian decathlon.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Yes. And then there's this guy in Australia who's like an incredible freak. His name is Tom Haveland and he's an enormous guy. He's like six foot seven. Close, he's 300 pounds, I just, close to 400, right? Isn't he like closing in on 400 pounds?

• 1:51:45Speaker 02

  And he's muscular?

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Jacked. Jacked. And one of the things that he does is a part of his, uh, he does like very unusual workout routines. But see if you can find some videos on, that's what he looks like. I mean, just a fucking complete freak. But he does.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  A white dude?

• 1:52:03Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Enormous guy too. I mean, he's a huge guy. But he does, a lot of his workouts are not just like normal deadlifts, bench press, all that kind of shit. Some of his workouts, he does, uh, carries things, like, he carries things like off one side or another side. Go to his Instagram so I can pick one. A lot of these are just, mostly you see just his back.

• 1:52:28Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:52:29Joe Rogan?

  When he filmed, I don't know, he's a psychopath. He has to be out of his fucking mind just to be doing this, because he's one, literally one of the strongest guys in the world.

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:52:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  Does he participate in like Strongman competitions?

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he does. I think he just does all this shit on his own and I don't even understand why. So what does he weigh now? 302 pounds.

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  He drinks, he eats sixty five hundred and seventy calories a day.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and three thousand two hundred, no, excuse me, three hundred and twenty nine grams of protein, eight hundred and fourteen grams of carbs, two hundred and twenty two grams of fat. And so he was.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  And that's the current phase, which is a deficit.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this was him on his way to, so go back to that. Yeah, so he's at three hundred and forty pounds. I think he was trying to get to four hundred pounds at one point in time. But one of the things he does a lot is carry stuff. And so I started looking into this idea, like what, what, what is it, what's the big deal about carrying and walking with stuff? So he does this, like, how much weight is that motherfucker guy carrying around with him?

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  How many plates is that?

• 1:53:34Joe Rogan?

  I mean, five hundred pounds? What is that?

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  One, two, three, four, five. Ten plates.

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  So it's somewhere around. Yeah, and so he's just walking short distances with this. So I started doing that in my yard. So I started doing it with farmer's carries and, you know, when I ruck, I just use the forty five pound plate when I go a couple of miles with the dog.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  What's with the back? I mean, why isn't he?

• 1:54:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's a fucking psychopath. Why does he have all clothes on too? Cause if he takes the clothes off, he's super impressive.

• 1:54:06Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Takes his shirt. Yeah, he's fucking ripped. I mean, the guy's enormous.

• 1:54:12Joe Rogan?

  I forget his background. Yeah, that's him. That's what he looks like.

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and again, he's like six, seven or something crazy like that, built that way. Um, but he does a lot of carrying stuff and walking stuff.

• 1:54:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  He, he feels like it's very important for like your overall strength.

• 1:54:29Speaker 02

  I think I would agree with that.

• 1:54:31Joe Rogan?

  Not just to be able to sit there and push stuff and do squats in place, but to move with things where you're balancing and counterbalancing, moving left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot.

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:41Joe Rogan?

  And I think there's a real benefit to that.

• 1:54:43Speaker 02

  I like to, I like the single arm. You know, farmer carry.

• 1:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:48Speaker 02

  It makes a lot of sense, especially just trying to stabilize your spine.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'll do that with like a seventy pound kettlebell and I'll just like walk up a hill with a seventy pound kettlebell. And I can't get very far before I have to put it down because my grip gives out, but I won't use straps because I think I really wanna do it. Like I've been doing a lot of, I carry this fucker around with me too. Cause we have this thing in the um comedy club where it's a like one of those strength things where you squeeze it.

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  It has a counter?

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I got to one hundred and sixty one pounds of how strong you can squeeze. It's the hardest I've ever gotten, so I wanna get to one eighty. So I've been squeezed.

• 1:55:22Speaker 02

  Oh, just grip strength.

• 1:55:24Joe Rogan?

  Just holding that motherfucker all the time. This is a heavy one to squeeze that bitch.

• 1:55:28Speaker 02

  You've got some meaty paws there, bro.

• 1:55:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I got some big hands. Yeah, just hold that motherfucker. I feel like hand strength.

• 1:55:35Speaker 02

  Do you have to get angry?

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  Hand, no, I do. I like to get angry. I just like to get angry if I can. But hand strength, I think is very important. Most of my workout.

• 1:55:43Speaker 02

  Peter T. talks about grip strength and it's syndication.

• 1:55:46Joe Rogan?

  I do a lot of hanging too. I do a lot of hanging from my back or my shoulders too. Just hang from a chin up bar.

• 1:55:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  I don't like straps. I don't use straps.

• 1:55:53Speaker 02

  How long can you dead hang?

• 1:55:54Joe Rogan?

  Two minutes.

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm just, just about there myself. Yeah. Just around two minutes. I put those weighted vests on and, and uh.

• 1:56:01Joe Rogan?

  That's a good way to do it. Weighted vests for short bursts, you know?

• 1:56:04Speaker 02

  I'll take like a twelve pound weighted Aon vest and, and, and I don't think you could do it with a rock, but, but I do those, those twelve pound Aon vests and I just hang. Like this, this is the one, one of them too. This one's about twelve pounds, but.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I do one series of all body weight workouts where I do chin ups, pushups, and then L chin, uh, L, I guess you would be pullups. Um, where, where it's a tight grip and you know, by L meaning I lift my legs up and I hold them in position.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  Paul Saladino's got me doing that now.

• 1:56:35Joe Rogan?

  So I do that most of the time with no extra weight, but like two times a month, I'll do it with twenty five pounds. So I'll put a twenty five pound vest on and do my entire routine with long breaks.

• 1:56:50Speaker 02

  Like a ruck vest?

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:56:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think it's actually from Go Ruck. It's 25 pound, it's like a, like a, you know, just strap it in Velcro it down. And so I'll do my series of 10 chin ups, my series of 20, 20 dips. And then 10 L, L pull ups.

• 1:57:07Speaker 02

  But you're talking like the L sits where you're holding the bars and you just put your feet straight out. Those are tougher than they look.

• 1:57:13Joe Rogan?

  I'm not holding the bar down here, I'm doing chin ups.

• 1:57:15Speaker 02

  Oh, chin ups, okay.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  So I'm doing the L like this, and then I'm doing these with my foot straight out. So it's the abs, it's like, I'm just trying, I've had like a, a problem with my lower back. And I think a, a lot of it came from, I know where it came from. It came from archery, where I was spending too much time pulling one side only. And then also I was getting a little bit of tendonitis and I was just saying fuck it, just working through it.

• 1:57:42Speaker 02

  You try to shoot both sides with your bow now?

• 1:57:44Joe Rogan?

  No, but what I do now is, cause my bow's pretty heavy, it's 85 pounds to pull it back. But I'm doing it like, when I'm really training hard, like it's getting close to September, I'm probably shooting 100 times a day. So I'm 100 times, I'm pulling back 85 pounds. So now what I do, and I learned this from Cam, I take a, a 10 pound dumbbell. And I hold it with my right, cause I pull my bow with my right arm. So I put a 10 pound dumbbell with my right arm and hold it out. And then with my left arm, I have a cable, like a cable machine. And I'm pulling back the same, I'm mimicking the exact same motion of archery.

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  I see.

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  So I'm holding and Cam, Cam taught me this.

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  So you're doing this in a gym on a, on a, like with just a hand weight?

• 1:58:26Joe Rogan?

  So I'm holding it like that, and then I'm using the pulley. And I'm pulling the cables back and I'm holding it for a count of two and then bringing it back. Holding it for a count of two and bringing it back. So I'm balancing out, balancing out my back.

• 1:58:39Speaker 02

  Are you a lefty or a righty? So, so your righty is, that's where you're holding your bow?

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  So my right arm, I'm pulling back. I'm holding the bow with my left arm to stabilize it and I'm pulling it back with my right arm. So now, to counter that, I immediately go to the gym right after. So one of the things I'm noticing is like, boy, I get fucking so sore on my left side now. Because this is fairly recent, I've only been doing this for a couple of months. The left side to stabilize it, but I think I should have been doing it the entire time. And, cause I was getting like really bad lower back pain last hunting season. And it was just because of tendons, I was just overusing. Because you're stabilizing, right? So you're pulling back the bow and you're holding it in place and you're stabilizing on your right side and after your your form kind of breaks down.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  Plus all that.

• 1:59:26Joe Rogan?

  You get a little tired. Now I just when my feel my form breaking down, I stop. I just stop shooting. So instead of shooting a hundred times a day now, maybe I'll shoot thirty or forty and I just stop. I won't push because it's a meathead mentality that I my stupid brain like won't abandon. Even though I know it's like injuring me.

• 1:59:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  But this this is it it actually it became a problem and it was hurting me when I was playing pool and I did a bunch of things to deal with it. One of the things I did is this thing called new fit where they put uh which helped a lot where they put electrodes on your muscles and then you go through a series of core routines while you're doing that. That helped a lot.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 2:00:06Joe Rogan?

  And then incorporating um rotational exercises helped a lot. So I have like a

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  Like golf looking thing?

• 2:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Now I have a bar, like a straight bar and I'll put like my right leg forward and I'm so I've got it the bar back on the right side and I'm twisting forward. So I'm doing that. So a lot of rotational exercises and I'm also twisting up. You know, and I'm doing a bunch of different things to twist. Another thing I do is I sit uh on a pad with my legs elevated and I have a kettlebell and I'll twist it to the side with my legs up in the air. So I'm getting all this rotational exercises into my system now that I didn't use to do before, but I really should have been doing from the beginning. I always did abs, you know, I always did um you know, the hip glute thing where you're you lean all the way back.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, G S G H D sit ups.

• 2:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so yeah, so I I do. I used to do a lot.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, those are good.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  I still do a lot of those.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:01Joe Rogan?

  And then back extensions, but I wasn't doing rotational stuff and I think that's the difference.

• 2:01:06Speaker 02

  When do you actually? When when when is hunting season for you? December?

• 2:01:09Joe Rogan?

  September.

• 2:01:10Speaker 02

  Oh, September?

• 2:01:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  And where do you go? Like Utah or Wyoming?

• 2:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the photo that you you were asking about out front, that's Utah.

• 2:01:16Speaker 02

  Oh, that's Utah.

• 2:01:17Joe Rogan?

  It's

• 2:01:17Speaker 02

  That's beautiful and you go for like a week and you just

• 2:01:20Joe Rogan?

  Gorgeous. Love it.

• 2:01:21Speaker 02

  Stay at somebody's ranch out there?

• 2:01:22Joe Rogan?

  It's just so lovely.

• 2:01:24Speaker 02

  Dude, I love it too.

• 2:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Great. It's just I look forward to it so much.

• 2:01:27Speaker 02

  That's why I love the mountains. Like, you know, honestly, I think our long term plan is to we got a beautiful place in Miami is to is to sell that place and get a spot. I mean, it it continue to develop our spot in Colorado because there's something about these authentic log. cabins, glacier-fed spring water, well-inseptic. You know, solar-fed electricity.

• 2:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Like, just old school.

• 2:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Old school.

• 2:01:50Speaker 02

  And it makes you so happy, and I totally agree with you. I wish, I wish that people could feel what that feeling is like and they wouldn't chase a lot of other.

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think there's also some intangible input that you're getting from society that you're not thinking about, but that affects you, that's absent when you're in the woods and you feel refreshed because of that.

• 2:02:14Speaker 02

  It's a connection to Mother Nature. I mean, it's a connection to life.

• 2:02:16Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 2:02:17Speaker 02

  And I think that we've gotten so.

• 2:02:17Joe Rogan?

  But I also think the absence of society is a thing. I think, I mean, this is gonna sound su- super kooky, but I think even wifi and cellphone signals, I think they have an effect on you. I don't know how much of an effect.

• 2:02:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll tell you a story, a true story about, um, so my house, we have this, uh, we, my wife and I sleep in an EMF-free tent. And I went a little nuts with the biohacking here.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  You sleep in a tent?

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Every night?

• 2:02:45Speaker 02

  We have these, every, every night that we're home in Miami. So it's a PVC frame, you know, it's like, uh, five and a half feet tall, six foot tall, little frame. It's just PVC, it's dirt cheap. And then draped over top of it is pure woven silver fabric. So it looks like a mosquito net that's over our king-size bed. And in the back of our bed, it clips into this, uh, grounding mattress, which plugs into the wall. So the whole cage is grounded, um, and there's no 5G, no wifi.

• 2:03:11Joe Rogan?

  That's it right there. Jamie's got a photo of it.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Oh, that's exactly it. That is literally exactly it. I wonder if they're.

• 2:03:18Joe Rogan?

  So that protects you from EMF?

• 2:03:20Speaker 02

  Bed in there, if it would show it, cuz I put it on.

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Is that what you do?

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  That's exactly what we sleep in, exactly that.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  EMF shielding canopy. See, this is like kooky. This is where you and I separate.

• 2:03:31Speaker 02

  This is where, I know.

• 2:03:32Joe Rogan?

  If I tried to bring that up, my wife would smack me.

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I also have a hyperbaric chamber in our bedroom.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  I have a hyperbaric chamber.

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  In the bedroom?

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  No, in my house.

• 2:03:39Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Um, I've got my podcast studio inside of one now.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Inside of a hyperbaric chamber?

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  Inside of a hyperbaric chamber.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  How big is your hyperbaric chamber?

• 2:03:46Speaker 02

  Huge. It's got two Maybach seats in it, it's got like a 52-inch or 54-inch TV. It's got three AI-powered cameras. My gym is in the hyperbaric, too.

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  So here's the thing.

• 2:03:57Speaker 02

  I have a rower and weights, like a whole set of weights.

• 2:03:59Joe Rogan?

  There's a risk of using electronics in a high oxygen environment.

• 2:04:04Speaker 02

  You don't use a high oxygen environment, you know, and never, and I don't think there's any reason to go in a high 100% O2 chamber. I mean, none of my chambers will go to 100% O2, so none of them are flammable. You could have a candle inside of there theoretically. I don't suggest it, but you could.

• 2:04:18Joe Rogan?

  They would tell you to not even wear certain kinds of clothes in the hyperbaric chamber.

• 2:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, because if you have 100% O2, you can have static electricity and can light a spark and it could explode.

• 2:04:26Joe Rogan?

  So what is 100% O2 versus like what you're doing?

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  So you have to actually put medical grade oxygen into the chamber, which I don't do.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  You don't. So the one that I used to go to, they would give you a mask and you would wear the mask and oxygen would get pumped into your mask while you're in the hyperbaric chamber.

• 2:04:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's also not flammable. That's probably 92, 93% O2. Pure oxygen, 100% oxygen is flammable, just like pure hydrogen gas is flammable. So 100% O2 is flammable. I mean, that terrible accident that happened to that young boy in the Midwest here recently where the hyperbaric chamber actually exploded.

• 2:05:01Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 2:05:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, there's a young, I think it was five and a half year old little boy

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  was in a hyperbaric chamber and very sadly, the technician left him in there, didn't ground him.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  And, and he had a blanket in there with him and he moved the blanket and this static electricity, you know, caught 100% O2, exploded. His mother was injured too.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:05:26Speaker 02

  I want to say that the both of the nurse and doctor and the clinic are in charge with manslaughter.

• 2:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:05:33Speaker 02

  Terrible, but the, the, those are 100% O2 chambers. It's clear, it means important to make the distinction that these 100% oxygen chambers, I mean, these are, these are bombs.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  And why would you have 100% O2 chamber versus what you're talking about?

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  If you look at some of the therapeutic benefits for things like diabetic ulcers, burns, things like that where, you know, necrosis, tissue necrosis.

• 2:06:00Speaker 02

  Those make sense in a supervised hospital environment with, you know, someone standing right outside the chamber the entire time. I've been in, I've been in one one time and place called Bioaccelerator in Medellin, Colombia. And, but the, the home use chambers where you get a prescription from your doctor and you actually get probably what you have, is yours a soft shell?

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  Chamber, it's a hard shell? Oh, okay, so that'll probably go to two atmospheres of pressure.

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  That's really good. So Dr. Jason Saunders, who wrote the book Hyperbaric Medicine with Dr. Dimitri, will tell you there's a lot of benefits at, at low pressures, like 1.3 atmospheres, which you can get in a, in a soft chamber. And there are a lot of benefits at higher pressures, like two atmospheres. So I never go above two atmospheres, twice the atmospheric pressure. If you think about what's happening at twice the atmospheric pressure, you're taking the oxygen from the air, which is about 21% sea level, what we're breathing right now. And you're doubling that because you're doubling the pressure. So every 33 feet you go below sea level, you double the atmospheric pressure.

• 2:07:03Speaker 02

  So when you get to two atmospheres of pressure, you're, you're essentially taking in twice as much oxygen. The oxygen concentration hasn't increased, but the size of the gas has gotten smaller. So now you're perfusing tissues with oxygen that they, that normally wouldn't be as profused with oxygen. You can also put on the nasal cannulas and get 92, 93% O2, but that's also not flammable. If you took a nasal cannulas from, from an oxygen concentrator, like one that works for your Ewad or something, and you lit a lighter in front of it, it would, that, that gas is not going to catch fire.

• 2:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:07:41Speaker 02

  100% O2 is, is, is flammable and very dangerous.

• 2:07:46Joe Rogan?

  So what's the benefit of 100% O2?

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  Just a higher concentration of oxygen for things like, you know, diabetic ulcers, when you have.

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  An aerobic bacterial infections, meaning bacterial infections that do not thrive on oxygen. You have to be careful with aerobic bacteria because there are bacteria that actually feed on oxygen as well. And so you don't want to put somebody who has an aerobic infection into a hyperbaric chamber. You want to put somebody who has an anaerobic infection into a hyperbaric chamber. But what's really interesting is some of the research that's coming out of Israel especially on cognitive function. Using 60 days at two atmospheres of pressure and then reducing the pressure over time.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  You know, the improvement in mitochondrial density, the improvement in blood flow, cognitive scoring, reduction of neural inflammation.

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  I know you can't say treat or cure, but they use these to modulate autism. All kinds of neural inflammatory conditions, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, which is really linked to type 3 diabetes, which is insulin resistance in the brain. But the byproduct of that is this neural inflammatory cascade. So reducing neural inflammation. You know, there are a lot of benefits to hyperbaric, I mean, tissue recovery, post-surgical wound repair, post-surgical recovery. You know, these things have pretty profound.

• 2:09:19Joe Rogan?

  There's also that study out of Israel that showed the lengthening of telomeres when they did a protocol of 60 sessions, 90 minute sessions over 90 days.

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  Yes, 60 days or...

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  60 sessions in 90 days.

• 2:09:35Speaker 02

  60 sessions in 90 days. 60 90 minute sessions in 90 days. You're right.

• 2:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:41Speaker 02

  Dr. Saunders has talked about that a lot, too.

• 2:09:43Joe Rogan?

  And they showed telomere lengthening, which was the biological equivalent of a decrease of age of 20 years.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a chromosomal incap. And if you think about it, I have a saying that the, you know, the presence of oxygen is the absence of disease. And I truly believe that because if you look at the breakdown in mitochondrial respiration, which occurs when you deprive the mitochondria of all kinds of things, but mainly of oxygen, which is our fuel source, you know, which is not, not our fuel source as humans, our fuel source is ATP, but the fuel source for the mitochondria is mainly oxygen. And when you feed it oxygen, you have a 16-fold step up in cellular energy. When you deprive it of oxygen, you have a 16-fold step down in cellular energy. Right? I mean, the difference between aerobic and anaerobic respiration, or the Krebs cycle,

• 2:10:34Speaker 02

  having the presence of oxygen or not having the presence of oxygen is a pretty substantial number. And so, hyperbarics, because they allow for compressed oxygen, even if you don't increase the percentage of O2, right? You take it, you keep it at 21%, like we're breathing right now, but you just double the atmospheric pressure. I mean, the, the effects are pretty, pretty profound. Hmm. And, and I believe the risks are low. If you have a physician, you understand how to operate the chamber and you have safety procedures and you're not using 100% O2 and you're, you're at shallow depths, you can ascend quickly without being in trouble. If you're a diver, you understand dive tables, you have to ascend at certain rates and pause at certain levels.

• 2:11:18Speaker 02

  So the one that, that I, I built, I was like, man, how do I just compress time? I'm like, well, I'm gonna work out, so what if I was able to put the gym in there? And I'm doing podcasts. I remember the guy thought I was out of my freaking body. I started talking. It does sound crazy. Yeah, but it's got, it's, it's got a Nord Track Rower in there and, and. How big is it? Like the size of this room? It's, it's pretty big. Let me see if I can show you a picture of it. That would be a great way to like, compress time, right? Cause you can get more than one thing done at the same time. You feel. I feel amazing getting out of mine. That's actually my son working in it. Wow, that's crazy. That's my son Dylan, we went in there the other day. Working out in a hyperbaric chamber, and you could kind of watch Netflix in there

• 2:12:03Speaker 02

  too. Yeah. You got a screen in there and everything. Wow. And it's got, yeah, we're just jamming some music.

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  So I was playing rap, I was playing some rap music. I got a soundbar in there.

• 2:12:23Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty dope.

• 2:12:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was pretty cool.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. Yeah, I just lay down in mine and listen to books.

• 2:12:29Speaker 02

  Um, well, the other one you can lay down in, it's, it's, it's got these seats that recline. It's got a television in too. So you can, I go in there and watch the news sometimes.

• 2:12:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 2:12:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, my wife and daughter goes in there and they just take a nap.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  I was talking to Dana about it, like how beneficial it is. Like, how much time does it take? I'm like, it's about two hours. And he's like, I don't have that fucking time. Everything you gotta do something, you're doing the red light.

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's why I'm trying to compress time. Just like if you could get the, you know, the hydrogen into the cold tub. I mean, he's gonna be, he's gonna be at my, my house tomorrow. So we're gonna try to.

• 2:13:01Joe Rogan?

  How much are those little bombs for the bath? The hydrogen bombs?

• 2:13:05Speaker 02

  Uh, I know they're about to come out with them. I don't know if you can order them on the site yet. I think they're probably gonna be, if it's, if it's 30 bucks for 30 of those H2 tabs, um, then I would imagine they're gonna be around five or 10 bucks. 10 bucks for a hydrogen bomb to drop into the, to the bathtub. I mean, the machine is, you know, I was actually originally gonna order this electrolysis system called a cocoon. Or it's spelled Caquin, like the facility out in Las Vegas, um, which makes oxygen water. That system's like a hundred and $10,000.

• 2:13:41Speaker 02

  And then a buddy of mine, Tyler LaBaron, who's the PhD in the space, um, told me about this machine I could order from Korea for $7,500, which is the one that I have now. And now, um, I've added a nano bubble machine. Um, and that one's just incredible. I mean, for, for this transdermal inflammation. And I think for, for people that have like, you know, chronic injuries, especially like chronic repetitive use injuries, or they have real severe low back pain, or they've got parents or something that are deconditioned, you know, that have a hard time, um, exercising, you know, these are, these are, you know, great things to, to, to do to lower their inflammatory cascade.

• 2:14:25Speaker 02

  You know, that and, um, there's something called EWOT, exercise with oxygen therapy, which is kind of based on Otto Warburg's research where, and I do this with my parents, because both of my parents are deconditioned. My mom has dual knee replacements and my dad's handicapped from a boating accident years ago. He has no cognitive impairment, but he has some motor coordination difficulties. So it's hard for him to really exercise. And I bought them a sauna and I put them both in a sauna for 20 minutes, three times a week. And they just breathe, I bored a hole and they just breathe through a nasal cannulas, the 92, 93% O2, which is a version of E-WAT, the exercise with oxygen therapy or the multi-step oxygen therapy, because if you just can raise their heart rate, just, you know, a little bit with

• 2:15:09Speaker 02

  the heat, then that extra perfusion pressure really drives oxygen into the tissues. And I'll tell you, it's a noticeable change in them. Just like when you get out of a cold plunge, you had a really good workout. Well, imagine, you know, you're elderly and you're deconditioned, you know, you really don't get your heart rate up, you really don't get your good sweat on, but you go into a sauna, raise your heart rate and breathe some of that 92, 93% O2, they feel amazing getting out of there.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  This is a kind of important thing to talk about because there was a study that was released recently that showed that when people use the cold plunge after workout, you see a decrease in hypertrophy.

• 2:15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course you do.

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:48Speaker 02

  What a terrible study.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:15:49Speaker 02

  But I was so pissed off to see that.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  Because people, "Yeah, I told you it doesn't work." All these pussies that don't want to get in that cold water. Folks, you do the cold before. This is the way to do it. I know it sucks. Do the cold before you work out or wait several hours after you work out and then you cold plunge.

• 2:16:08Speaker 02

  Right, I totally agree. I mean, if you think about what you get from cold plunging, let's not overblow it or underblow it, I mean, but, you know, you get, well, first of all, if you exercised intensely, let's just say you did a big squat workout and you tore a bunch of quad muscle, what's going to happen?

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Inflammation.

• 2:16:26Speaker 02

  What's the body going to do? Yeah, the body's going to send more blood flow, more amino acids, more oxygen to those muscles, it's going to pull inflammatory factors like creatinine, you know, the breakdown on muscle, the byproduct of muscle breakdown, it's going to pull that out. So why would you want to stop?

• 2:16:41Joe Rogan?

  How do you say it? It's creatinine?

• 2:16:42Speaker 02

  Creatinine. Creatine is

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. I never knew how to say that word, though. I've seen it.

• 2:16:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is actually very good for Yeah, so

• 2:16:52Joe Rogan?

  Because I know there was a fighter that was actually pulled from a fight once because he had high creatinine levels.

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a kidney issue. It's actually a sign of rhabdomyolitis.

• 2:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Overtraining, yes. That makes sense because he was a psycho.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, you start to break down. So creatinine is a byproduct of muscle breakdown. It's perfectly normal to have creatinine in the blood, but when it gets very high, so there's usually three markers they look at for kidney health. One is called blood urea nitrogen, BUN. One is called creatinine, this breakdown of muscle byproduct, and rhabdo is when your muscles start to break down at a rate that your kidneys can't clear it.

• 2:17:32Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people that go too hard when they're not in shape, like they did too many CrossFit classes, they get rhabdo.

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  Yes, they get rhabdo. And what's interesting is, you know, a lot of athletes, really conditioned athletes, get it too, because they have a tendency to be mentally a lot stronger than their bodies.

• 2:17:49Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem. That meathead mentality that I was talking about that led to me having this tendon issue in my lower back.

• 2:17:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  Because I was worried that it was a disc issue, but it's not in the disc. It's like right here on the right hip area, where it's like the stabilizing muscle.

• 2:18:04Speaker 02

  But you, so you think about it, okay, so the blood, and then there's something called EGR, which is your kidney filtration rate, right, which is your glomerular filtration rate. It's how quickly is the blood moving through your kidneys? Because about 15 times every day, the full volume of your blood goes through your kidneys. If you think about what happens when you get into a cold plunge, so first you get this peripheral vasoconstriction. Then you get a release of something called cold shock proteins. And if you ever really want to have some fun, just Google around about cold shock proteins. Look at LIN28A and LIN28B. These are cold shock proteins that are being actually researched for their impact on insulin sensitivity, improving insulin sensitivity.

• 2:18:49Speaker 02

  And then, you know, you activate a very special type of fat called brown fat, which essentially exchanges a calorie for a measure of heat. So it takes a calorie and turns it into heat. And that's a very good thing if I'm taking calories and turning them into heat. You know, there's a cost to raising your thermostat, and you think if you're in, let's say, 50-degree water, and you get out of 50-degree water and you're standing in a 70-degree room.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  How's your body go to 98.6? Right. How do you actually get not only, how do you exceed the, the temperature of the room you're in? Well, your metabolism is raised largely because of the activation of brown fat. And there's a cost to that. The cost is calories. So anybody tells you that cold plunging is not good for burning fat, I think is missing the, the breadth of, of, of the science. And then the final thing you get is you get this spike of dopamine, which lasts hours. Yeah. And that's where you get that like laser focus. I feel freaking amazing. So good. Dude, you're never in a bad mood getting out of a cold. Right. That's another thing that if you could give that to people in a pill, they'd be like, oh my God, I found the best antidepressant. Today is brought to you by the number one brand for better sex, BlueChew.

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• 2:21:23Joe Rogan?

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• 2:22:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes. And also as a static cardio, correct? Cause your heart rate's already elevated. I like to go in, literally the moment I put the weights down, I get right into that 196 degrees. That 20th minute's tough though, bro. Ooh, the 25th minute's even tougher. Oh, you go. Yeah, that's the last five. I used to get to the 20 and I'd be like, okay, finally. And then the fucking general started talking. No. Yeah. Come on pussy. Five more minutes. Come on pussy. Oh no. And the thing is too, when I'm in the sauna, I'm not just sitting there. I'm hard stretching. I do deep stretches, which is exhausting too, cause it's, it's hard to do. And I'm holding like deep static stretches. You're pretty flexible though, right? Yeah, pretty flexible. That's so good, man.

• 2:22:49Joe Rogan?

  That's because I keep it. I mean, I'm 57. I keep my flexibility. Yeah, yeah. Going to the sauna post. There's a lot of people as they get older, they, they lose that flexibility. And I think that's another thing that I actually, if I'm criticizing myself, I didn't do enough of before I started fucking my lower back up. Lower back's pretty solid now though. Hmm. It's not, it's still like irritates me sometimes when I wake up in the morning, but it's nothing that stops me from doing anything. I can still kick the bag, which is, that was the big one. Like, cause you're, there's so much torque involved in the waist. Oh, yeah. When you're kicking the bag and I hate not being able to do that. So the fact that I can still get those workouts in is really huge for me. That is the absolute best stress reliever in the history of-

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  Oh, kicking bags?

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Of Mother Earth. Yeah, hitting a bag. Put, put some sixteen ounce gloves on, set a timer, and start doing rounds on the bag. Start slow, and you know.

• 2:23:43Speaker 02

  What do you, we start at like thirty seconds a minute?

• 2:23:45Joe Rogan?

  No, I do three minute rounds. I do three minute rounds, and then one minute rest, three minute rounds, one. But, but the first few rounds while I'm warming up, I'm just kinda tapping. I'm like, pap, pap, pap, pap, pap, pap. I'm just, I'm not full blasting it. But then around round four, when I'm really sweating, then I start to dig in. And then what I do, what I do is, um, I have two different timers. And one of them, I have this ringside timer that will give you these thirty second, um, like, dings. So to give you three minutes, but it gives a different sound that goes off at thirty seconds. And so that's like-

• 2:24:20Speaker 02

  Like, so you're halfway through the minute?

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  No, so you, you know when to sprint. So you have sprinting times, and then you have other times where you're sort of coasting, and then the number goes off and you sprint. And then I also do Tabata's. And so Tabata's, that protocol is twenty seconds work, ten seconds rest. So I do that protocol. My favorite way to do that one is actually on the Aerodyne. So I have that-

• 2:24:42Speaker 02

  Oh, that Aerodyne, dude, that is-

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  The Rogue machine is the best. It's called the Echo Bike. Rogue is like, they make this, it's such a sturdy, fucking rock solid piece of equipment.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  You mean to Rogue Aerodyne?

• 2:24:56Joe Rogan?

  Dig in, yeah, it's a Rogue one, though. They call it the Echo Bike.

• 2:24:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause some of them are there.

• 2:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Get a, a picture of the Rogue one. It's much sturdier than the other ones that I've seen. And so I do, and it has Tabata built into the system, so you can just press-

• 2:25:09Speaker 02

  That's so brutal.

• 2:25:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it's eight, eight reps of this. So twenty second sprint, ten second rest, twenty second sprint, eight, ten second rest. You do that for eight, a series of eight. So that's the Rogue one. It's real thick and robust, and you go fucking ham on that thing.

• 2:25:26Speaker 02

  It's called the Echo Bike.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, for me, the best way to increase my cardio. That Tabata protocol, I don't know, some guy named Tabata invented that protocol. But, um-

• 2:25:38Speaker 02

  What is that, uh, treadmill with the weight? Yeah.

• 2:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the HIIT treadmill? Yeah, that's great, too. Yeah, I ordered one of those.

• 2:25:45Speaker 02

  Oh, you walk in with weights?

• 2:25:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:47Speaker 02

  Oh, so it's like a farmer's carry?

• 2:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, but you're going uphill on a treadmill. Fuck, yeah.

• 2:25:54Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 2:25:55Speaker 02

  Come on, dog.

• 2:25:56Joe Rogan?

  Let's go. It's all about work, you know? Getting your body to slowly build up to more and more work.

• 2:26:03Speaker 02

  Make sure you're taking mineral salts when you're doing that.

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I take a lot of shit.

• 2:26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm always...

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  What do you take?

• 2:26:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, I use Element, you know, that, um... Yeah, Element Tea, I take that stuff. And I put a bar... I'm addicted to that chili mango flavor. Oh, it's so good.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  Oh, Vellum and Tea?

• 2:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so delicious.

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  Is it spicy?

• 2:26:21Joe Rogan?

  A little bit.

• 2:26:21Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:26:22Joe Rogan?

  Just a touch, just a touch of spice. I really like it. So I'll have like a 64-ounce water with four of those poured into it.

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  Ah, 64 ounces, yeah.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  And so I'm just hammering it. So, but that's made a giant impact in cramps. I don't get cramps anymore.

• 2:26:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of people think that, you know, sodium is... I- it's funny how many people think sodium is the enemy. There's a really interesting study.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  More bullshit like the cholesterol bullshit. Like, there's so many people like, "Wait, oh, your sodium, you're gonna have high blood pressure, you're gonna die."

• 2:26:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  "Oh, your cholesterol from your carnivore diet, you're gonna die."

• 2:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Like, bitch, come work out with me, you'll die.

• 2:26:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'll die, bitch, come work out with me.

• 2:27:03Speaker 02

  Just one leg kick.

• 2:27:04Joe Rogan?

  No, I mean, with the workout.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  It's fun. I take people through my workout. I love taking people through it. Because I've done it for so long that it's so hard, but I've built my system up to be able to tolerate it. So when I bring people, and even people that work out, they're like, "Jesus Christ, like, this is a lot of shit." Like, yeah.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. How long do you work out? 90 minutes?

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  It's at least 90 minutes, yeah. Yeah, because I do what's called, I mean, when I'm not doing endurance training, I do the Strong First Protocol. So Pavel Tatseline, he developed this kettlebell protocol where... So a lot of people like to work to failure.

• 2:27:38Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:27:39Joe Rogan?

  Um, I don't work to failure, ever, but I do the same amount of reps. So like, say if I have a 70-pound kettlebell, right? And I'm doing cleans and presses. If I can do, I could probably do 20 reps to failure with 70 pounds.

• 2:27:54Speaker 02

  So by cleans, are you pulling it just to your chin?

• 2:27:55Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 2:27:56Speaker 02

  You're talking about all the way up.

• 2:27:56Joe Rogan?

  One arm, one arm.

• 2:27:57Speaker 02

  Oh, one-arm cowbell swing.

• 2:27:58Joe Rogan?

  Press.

• 2:27:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:59Joe Rogan?

  Down, clean, press.

• 2:28:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, if I go to failure, I don't know, I probably could do like 20 reps with 70 pounds. But I don't do 20 reps, I do 10. And then I put it down, and then I wait like several minutes. And then I'll do my left side. And then I wait several minutes more, and then I'll do my right side again. So I am completely rested by the time I do my second set. So I'm getting those 20 reps in, but I'm doing it in two sets, rather than in one set. And so then I'll just do multiple sets to get the same amount of work in.

• 2:28:32Speaker 02

  I, I think I heard him describing this to you. It's, it's the amount of work.

• 2:28:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:28:37Speaker 02

  Right, so he's outworked you.

• 2:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  Because he's done more reps.

• 2:28:42Joe Rogan?

  But you have to have time, and you, you will feel like a lazy bitch. Because you're doing your set, but then your, your heart rate's completely dropped down before you do it again.

• 2:28:52Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I take a long time, I watch TV, I'll get on my phone, I fuck off, I sit down. And you feel like a lazy bitch, but I'm doing it over two-plus hours.

• 2:29:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  So when it's all over, I'm getting a lot of reps, but I'm not getting the same breakdown of form. So the way he says it is, he, he says that strength is a skill. And that you shouldn't be doing skills when you're exhausted. Like, he, he doesn't believe in like CrossFit and like all these workouts where you're going to like extreme repetitions, where you're breaking down, your, your body's failing.

• 2:29:27Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  People get injured that way, a lot.

• 2:29:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do.

• 2:29:30Joe Rogan?

  And some people don't, you know, but these are elite athletes, and you build yourself up to it. And I understand, I'm, I'm not against CrossFit.

• 2:29:36Speaker 02

  Have you noticed that you got, I, I'm not either, but have you noticed that you've gotten a lot stronger?

• 2:29:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:41Speaker 02

  Like?

• 2:29:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:29:42Speaker 02

  By doing it this way?

• 2:29:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the thing, like, I don't bench press, but one time we were doing this, uh, this podcast, and we were drinking. And we were drunk, and we all like went to sea, like, I don't even.

• 2:29:53Speaker 02

  You're good, we were drunk.

• 2:29:53Joe Rogan?

  I don't bench press. But I I bench pressed two twenty five thirteen times and I don't do it. I don't do it. I was like, let's see. And I was like, yep, but that's no bench pressing. I don't bench press.

• 2:30:03Speaker 02

  And what do you do for your chest?

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  I do pushups. I do a hundred pushups a day and I do dips. That's it.

• 2:30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, dips are dips are great.

• 2:30:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so I don't like have a big chest.

• 2:30:13Speaker 02

  So what else do you do you supplement with? So you take like?

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Creatine every day.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  Creatine is amazing.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Every day.

• 2:30:19Speaker 02

  I think, you know, especially for women, by the way, I think if you're a female and you're forty years or older, you need to be taken.

• 2:30:24Joe Rogan?

  I think it's great for your mind, too. There's been studies that show that.

• 2:30:27Speaker 02

  Cognitive function.

• 2:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Cognitive function and also cognitive function if you're sleep impaired. It's one of the few things that's shown that can completely diminish the effects of sleep deprivation.

• 2:30:38Speaker 02

  True.

• 2:30:38Joe Rogan?

  You should most certainly make up for that sleep. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you don't need sleep. Just take creatine. You definitely need sleep. We were talking about this the other day.

• 2:30:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:46Joe Rogan?

  I think it's one of the most important things that people neglect.

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  I think so, too.

• 2:30:51Joe Rogan?

  So I I take creatine every day. I take all the supplements that you recommended to me. Uh, TMG, methylfolate. I take lots of vitamin D, K two.

• 2:31:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:03Joe Rogan?

  All that jazz.

• 2:31:04Speaker 02

  Do you take that ten X optimized? Do you take the the multivitamin or do you take them separately?

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  I take everything separate. I take I take a I use Pure Encapsulations vitamin packs.

• 2:31:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:14Joe Rogan?

  So they have a pack that has like basically all your shit and then on top of that I pile on. You know, one other thing that I've started taking that I've been taking actually for a while that I it. I was having a decrease in my eyesight and it was pretty noticeable as, you know, age-related macular degeneration. So I started taking macular support by Pure Encapsulations. That seems to have had an effect. But really what's had an effect is the red light bed.

• 2:31:37Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Red light bed has had a big effect.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  I've told people like you text me and you're like, bro, my eyesight is totally improved. Mine, too.

• 2:31:44Joe Rogan?

  Deteriorating and start and improved slightly.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:47Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely where the point where I can look at my phone. I don't need glasses because I was using reading glasses all the time when I was looking at my phone.

• 2:31:53Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  And now I don't need them at all anymore.

• 2:31:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, I would, I would, yeah, definitely, uh, uh, red light therapy. I would add, um, what I gave you the other day, those, uh, perfect aminos, which is just essentially the nine essential amino acids.

• 2:32:07Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  You know, we talk about how most people are trying to dose protein so they can get to the amino acid equivalent. Or they're taking imperfect proteins like or incomplete proteins like collagen, which which can't build. Which is a great protein, but it won't build muscle because then.

• 2:32:21Joe Rogan?

  But this is an important point, too. You were talking about the other day collagen does not build collagen. And this is.

• 2:32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I think that the idea that we can target direct proteins is a fallacy. You know, I use the analogy that we don't eat our nails to grow our nails and we don't eat our hair to grow our hair. But we think that we can eat collagen to grow collagen. And that's actually not true. I'm not anti collagen. I'm just saying if you eat collagen or put collagen in your coffee, it doesn't show up as collagen in your skin. My preference will be you take something that is a has all of the nine essential amino acids. I take one called Perfect Aminos, but there's other products out there that are all nine essential amino acids. You take.

• 2:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Can I pour that into the water with the.

• 2:33:05Speaker 02

  Hydrogen?

• 2:33:06Joe Rogan?

  With the electrolytes in it?

• 2:33:07Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  It's not going to have any diminished.

• 2:33:09Speaker 02

  I think the best morning cocktail is to take a mineral salt, like a Baja Gold Salt or a

• 2:33:16Speaker 02

  Celtic Salt. Add that to your drinking water, drop a hydrogen tablet in there, take a scoop of Perfect Aminos, put that in there, hydrate, mineralize and get the amino acids.

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  Can I ask you another question about creatine? Is there any decreased benefit in taking creatine gummies versus creatine powder?

• 2:33:35Speaker 02

  You know, I don't, I haven't looked at the, at the, at the bioavailability. I mean, there's, there's two types of creatine, which, you know, monohydrate and HCl. Monohydrate is where all of the research is. There's a lot more research on creatine monohydrate. But creatine also comes in the HCl, the hydrochloride form. And I tell people that if they, if they take creatine monohydrate and they, and they have bloating, which some women do, they'll have a little water retention or some bloating, then just take the creatine HCl.

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  What about HMG with creatine?

• 2:34:05Speaker 02

  No issues with that at all.

• 2:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Is that a good thing? Cause I know that a lot of companies, they combine creatine and HMG for some reason.

• 2:34:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  What is the benefit of that? Combine the two of them together?

• 2:34:15Speaker 02

  So it's myofibril uptake or cellular uptake. Right? So bioavailability is, a lot of these, a lot of things that we, we pair together for bioavailability, like D3 with K2.

• 2:34:26Joe Rogan?

  Right. And magnesium as well, right?

• 2:34:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And magnesium is one of the critical divisions.

• 2:34:30Joe Rogan?

  I always take that with D3 and K2.

• 2:34:32Speaker 02

  That's good. You take magnesium with D3 and K2. That's perfect. That's a way that wouldn't, you know.

• 2:34:36Joe Rogan?

  Can you take too much magnesium?

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  You can take too much magnesium. It's a little hard. I mean, it's a really essential light metal. I mean, you'd have to really over-supplement with that. I take a nighttime, I take this thing called by bio-optimizers called magnesium breakthrough, which has seven forms of magnesium in it. I'm a big fan of that. You can also isolate the magnesiums if you have trouble sleeping. Magnesium threonate is really good. Magnesium citrate and glycinate are good for intestinal motility. So if you're not somebody that has regular bowel movements, magnesium deficiency is highly linked to poor intestinal motility. So if you're not somebody that wakes up within 45 minutes of the day and has a bowel movement, you

• 2:35:18Speaker 02

  may want to look to magnesium supplementation the night prior and see if that fixes your bowel movement. Also, people that ruminate at night, who they lay down to go to sleep and their body tired, but their mind awake. This is generally a rise in something called catecholamines, these neurotransmitters in the brain that create awakened state. They're also the same neurotransmitters that create anxiety and trigger our fight or flight response. A lot of times magnesium, methylfolate, and a simple B complex will quiet those squirrels. Interesting. Very, very simple methylated nutrients to actually break down those catecholamines.

• 2:36:01Speaker 02

  Because I talk about this all the time. A lot of people that suffer from anxiety are never really told what it is. Like, nobody sits them down and tells them, what is anxiety? Like, why do I feel, why do sometimes I feel like I'm in a heightened state of awareness? And then I move from a heightened state of awareness to being anxious. And then I move from being anxious to full-blown anxiety. Like, I actually feel the presence of a fear. And then, you know, sometimes that presence of a fear goes into like a rapid heart rate or acute hearing or pupils dilate. And then that goes into a full-blown panic attack. And if catecholamines continue to rise, you can even have a full-blown paranoia. It's

• 2:36:42Speaker 02

  this rise in this category of neurotransmitters called catecholamines. So if we identified...

• 2:36:49Speaker 02

  Anxiety as that, and I'm not saying it's always that, but the majority of people have that form where they have metabolism issues because of a gene mutation called COMT. And they are worriers, not warriors. So they lay down to go to sleep at night, their mind wakes up. They start ruminating thoughts at night. If they think about anything at night, they'll take it straight to worst case scenario. So every scenario that they that they ruminate on at night, they take it to worst case scenario.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy that that could be nutritionally related.

• 2:37:21Speaker 02

  It's absolutely nutritionally related because when you, when you talk about, what do catecholamines do in the body? There are fight or flight response. So if you, if you walked out of this door right here and somebody was standing in front of you with a knife, right in that hallway, your sides kicking their ass, your pupils would dilate, your heart rate would increase, your extremities would flood with blood, your hearing would get acute, you would instantly start having a fight or flight response. Well, what happened? Right? I mean, that person didn't do anything to you yet. What happened inside of your body that caused that response? You received a dump of catecholamines.

• 2:37:54Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:37:55Speaker 02

  Norpenephrine, epinephrine, fedron, and dopamine, one of those we call adrenaline. So, so you're in this hyper acute state. So that's, that's like we dump those to an eight, full blown fight or flight response. Well, what happens if we dump them to a three? Well, if that happens at night, your body tired, but your mind awake. And so you lay there just ruminating because your mind is in awakened state, even though your body is tired. And so if you look at the pathways that actually break down catecholamines, how do we down regulate catecholamines? Complex of B vitamins, a form of, a form of B12 called

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  methylcobalamin, which you can get anywhere, guys, a, something called methylfolate. And every once in a while, SAME, acetaminophen, methionine. It is astounding what you can do to human beings by putting those raw materials back.

• 2:38:52Joe Rogan?

  Has anybody ever done a study on people with paranoid schizophrenia to find out if they're lacking in all this?

• 2:38:57Speaker 02

  No, no doubt. Paranoid schizophrenia is are the next level. You know, what's, what's really interesting is I interviewed a Harvard physician on my podcast and he was treating drug resistant mental illness with diet, mainly keto diets.

• 2:39:13Speaker 02

  And he found that the beta hydroxybutyrate, which is the ketone body, the main ketone body in this, and in basic supplementation, fixing their methylation pathways, meaning supplementing for for methylation, poor conversion of certain chemicals, led to more better behavioral changes than they were having in the drug resistant mental illness group. And it's it's really fascinating because we don't like to think that nutrient deficiencies could lead to serious mental illness. Could you just Google a methylation chart? Can I just

• 2:39:56Speaker 02

  show you a chart of methylation? The reason why I want to put it up here is because, and just click on any one of them, once you, once you put it up there, it's going to look like this complicated myriad, just click on that one. So this is something I've committed to memory. But the reason why I show a lot of people this chart is for what's not on here. So this is what we call methylation. Okay, this is, this is the process that's going on 300 billion times a day inside of all of your cells. And you'll see tryptophan and tyrosine and phenylalanine and quinonegas and lactic acid, cholesterol, you see all of this stuff on this chart. The reason why I show people this chart is because this is going on 300 billion times a day inside of your body, every minute, every hour of

• 2:40:41Speaker 02

  every day. And what you do not see on this chart is a single synthetic, a single chemical, or a single pharmaceutical. So why is it that we think synthetics, pharmaceuticals, and chemicals could be the answer to deficiencies in this chart? They're not. So what happens if I just start wandering around this chart, and I find something like serotonin? I go, wow, let me just, let me just, serotonin is the main driver of mood. I wonder how serotonin is made. Oh, I actually, in fact, there's serotonin right there. What is it made from? Just follow that arrow up. Oh, it's made from tryptophan.

• 2:41:24Speaker 02

  And what do I need in order to convert tryptophan to serotonin? I need 5-HTP. I need thiamine. I need a complex of B vitamins. Could it be possible that a complex of B vitamins is stopping me from converting tryptophan into serotonin? Yes. And what happens if I can't convert tryptophan into serotonin? Serotonin drops. And if serotonin drops, I cannot assemble moods that require serotonin. So now I've been told I have a mood disorder and I have a nutrient deficiency. Look at this. Anxiety, ADD, ADHD. See that on there? Okay. What do we make dopamine from? Phenylalanine and tyrosine. What if I had a deficiency in phenylalanine or tyrosine? Oh, I couldn't make the neurotransmitter dopamine. What is dopamine?

• 2:42:09Speaker 02

  Dopamine is the main driver of behavior. Well, what happens if dopamine is low? Now I have an addiction. Why? Because the absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction. So could I have addictive behavior? Because I'm low in dopamine and not actually just addicted to nicotine, alcohol, drugs, promiscuity, gambling? Absolutely. And why is it that most addictions have a tendency to shift and never really go away? If you've ever really been an addict or ever known a true addict, why is it that their addiction has a tendency to shift and not go away?

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like some of them find a healthy thing to get addicted to, like running.

• 2:42:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. There'll be a... So alcoholics become workaholics. Workaholics become work alcoholics. I mean, when I used to compete amateur in long-distance triathlons, most of the guys that I raced with were recovering addicts of some kind.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  Some of the scariest guys I've ever trained with were former drug addicts.

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  Because they're... This is their new...

• 2:43:07Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking driven, like, in a weird, kind of crazy way.

• 2:43:11Speaker 02

  Why are they driven so hard?

• 2:43:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, some of them actually almost died and they realized...

• 2:43:16Speaker 02

  But, you know...

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  They've been to death's door and come back like a different...

• 2:43:19Speaker 02

  The absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction. And we never treat the dopamine deficiency. We only treat the physical addiction. So we get you off alcohol and now you're on, you know, Suboxone. You get you off Suboxone and now you're gambling. You're off gambling and smoking cigarettes. You're done smoking cigarettes, you're, you know...

• 2:43:36Joe Rogan?

  So a lot of Alcoholics Anonymous people are smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee constantly.

• 2:43:40Speaker 02

  Now, why is that? Because they're chasing the dopamine deficiency. Rarely, if ever, did a true, you know, addict wake up one day and just say, "I want to get really banged up." The majority of addicts woke up one day and said, "I want to feel normal."

• 2:43:56Speaker 02

  And it was the search for normalcy that developed the addiction. They smoked a cigarette, they felt normal. They took a drink and they could socialize. They were promiscuous and they kind of felt normal. They jumped off a fucking mountain in a squirrel suit and the rush dopamine actually brought their dopamine level to normal and they actually felt calm 15 inches away from death. And so, the deficiency in dopamine very often drives this. And we label these people with mental illnesses. We label them with mood disorders. But serotonin is a part of the recipe of mood. So if you said to me, "What is a mood? What is an emotional state?" I would say it's a collection of neurotransmitters bound to oxygen.

• 2:44:40Speaker 02

  So, let's say that you said, "Okay, what's happiness?" "Okay, there's so much serotonin, so much dopamine, so much norepinephrine, so much epinephrine." Boom, you put these together, you have the emotion happiness. Well, what if I just took serotonin out? Right? Like, what if I went to a bakery chef and said, "Hey chef, you can bake whatever you want, you just can't use butter." And so I took butter out. And it doesn't sound like a big deal, it's only one component. But think of how many recipes that would affect. Cookies, pastries, pies, brownies. Well, moods are no different. I say, "Joe, you can be in whatever mood you want, you just can't use serotonin." So now, any mood that you go to assemble that requires serotonin, you can't manufacture.

• 2:45:24Speaker 02

  So now you have a mood disorder. Instead of taking a step back and saying, "Well, why doesn't he have serotonin? Where's serotonin made?" Well, serotonin's made in the gut, 90% of it's right here. So if you don't have it here, you can't have it here. And, and so then why don't we go to the factory in the gut to make serotonin? Where is the factory that turns tryptophan into the neurotransmitter serotonin? "Well, it's in, it's in the gut." What is that done through? A process called methylation. You mean if I'm deficient in certain vitamins or nutrients? That methylation cycle is not working, I might not produce serotonin, and therefore I might have a mood disorder? Yes. Am I saying that all mood disorders come from that? No.

• 2:46:05Speaker 02

  But there are so many things that come from this methylation cycle that are so potentially easy to fix with basic supplementation. You know, for two years, for two years in our initial clinic, my wife and I, and our doctor, we pulled blood work. There was about 1,600 patients or so that came through our clinic. We pulled blood work, and we pulled these basic biomarkers, CBC, CMP, lipid panel, hormone panel, and nutrient deficiencies. And then we also pulled this methylation test, right? Looking at five genes of methylation. And you can get these methylation tests done anywhere.

• 2:46:46Speaker 02

  And we looked at these five genes, and then what we would do is we would solve with supplementation for the genetic deficiency and watch what happened to the blood biomarkers. You would see kidney filtration rates improve. You would see waste elimination, like people become more regular. You would see C-reactive protein, these nonspecific markers of inflammation drop. You would certainly see things like homocysteine drop. People have very, very high levels of homocysteine. You supplement them with the right nutrients, a B complex, something called trimethylglycine, and they start to break down homocysteine. And then all of a sudden, they're reporting that their blood pressure is returning to normal and have less frequent headaches.

• 2:47:27Speaker 02

  It is astounding to me how many people are just nutrient deficient and don't accept that basic supplementation, or, oh, we can get everything from diet. Bullshit. If you look at a soil lineage study from 1945 and a soil lineage study right now, you would be astounded to see how depleted our food supply is, or our soil is. Add processed food and all this other stuff to it, you don't stand a chance. You need... Basic supplementation. All human beings need the same things. We need two essential fatty acids. Essential means they're essential for life. You need nine essential amino acids. So you can supplement with the nine essential amino acids in the morning. You can supplement with the two essential fatty acids, omega-3 fatty acids, like black seed oil or good

• 2:48:12Speaker 02

  omega fish oil. You can supplement with the minerals. So many of us are mineral deficient, and we don't realize the expression of mineral deficiency.

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Now, what is the best kind of minerals to take? Is it like chelated minerals? Is it colloidal minerals?

• 2:48:30Speaker 02

  I take one called Baja Gold Sea Salt. It's probably one of my other favorite biohacks because a bag of Baja Gold Sea Salt, like a Celtic salt, will have all these trace minerals in it. A $15 bag will last you five years. It's dirt cheap. And you can take a quarter to a half teaspoon of this, put it in your drinking water. I'll throw a hydrogen tablet in there and some amino acids. Take that with a methylated multivitamin and take that with an omega-3 fatty acid, and you have all the bases covered first thing in the morning.

• 2:49:02Joe Rogan?

  And you don't have to take that with the vitamins with food?

• 2:49:06Speaker 02

  I would take the vitamin D3 with food. I would actually take all of that when I would take the amino acids and the hydrogen and the sea salt on an empty stomach is fine. Whenever you're going to take your multivitamin and your D3, which is fat soluble, I would take those with food. So first thing in the morning, you just hydrate it and mineralize the body, just with a basic sea salt. Just hydrate and mineral. And there's a lot of good mineral.

• 2:49:36Joe Rogan?

  And the amino acids you take on an empty stomach?

• 2:49:39Speaker 02

  Amino acids you take on an empty stomach. And those amino acids, those perfect amino acids, won't break a fast. They're non-caloric, or they have, I think, one calorie, but they won't break a fast. And now you have all nine of the essential amino acids. You've got the majority of the essential minerals. You've hydrated yourself and you put hydrogen gas into your blood. You will feel the difference, right? You'll just feel.

• 2:50:03Joe Rogan?

  And it's a simple thing to do.

• 2:50:04Speaker 02

  And it's such a simple thing to do. And I get so much flack for telling people to do them. Like it's just, this is just getting us back to the basic. I, dude, it's crazy.

• 2:50:14Joe Rogan?

  It's just too many crazy people.

• 2:50:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm gonna have to start shutting it all off.

• 2:50:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to. It'll make your life a lot better. You know what you're doing.

• 2:50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you.

• 2:50:22Joe Rogan?

  And people are listening. And it's working.

• 2:50:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  There's just too many people out there that are crying for attention. And one of the ways they get attention is by attacking people who are getting positive attention.

• 2:50:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a shame.

• 2:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Fuck those people.

• 2:50:38Speaker 02

  Fuck those people.

• 2:50:39Joe Rogan?

  Anything else we should talk about before we wrap this up?

• 2:50:41Speaker 02

  I think.

• 2:50:42Joe Rogan?

  I think we've covered a lot. People are gonna have to review this and go back and forth.

• 2:50:46Speaker 02

  I love coming out here and chopping it up with you, man.

• 2:50:48Joe Rogan?

  I love having you on, man.

• 2:50:49Speaker 02

  I'll see you on the fights tomorrow, too.

• 2:50:50Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir. I'm excited. Yeah, tomorrow's the weigh-ins and then Saturday night's the fights. I'm pumped.

• 2:50:55Speaker 02

  By the way, dude, Joe Rogan on the Ultimate Human Podcast are rear sighting.

• 2:50:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I did your podcast as well. Yes.

• 2:51:00Speaker 02

  That was cool, because we went down, we went down some rabbit holes, man. We went down the pyramids and...

• 2:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we talked about a lot of cool shit.

• 2:51:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of cool shit on there.

• 2:51:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, thank you, Gary. Thank you very much for everything. I really appreciate you. Tell everybody your website, how they can get ahold of you.

• 2:51:15Speaker 02

  Sure. You can go to theultimatehuman.com. I have a VIP community there where all I do is just teach. I try to educate to inspire so that people will make a change. So you can join my VIP community there. I'll give you a discount on joining the VIP community. I'll send you a free box of H2 tabs for joining up. Theultimatehuman.com. The podcast is The Ultimate Human and then just my name, Gary Barca.

• 2:51:37Joe Rogan?

  All right. Gary, you're the man. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. All right, bye, everybody.

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