Detroit Dream Cruise; Ford GT Review; Airplane got Weird

Detroit Dream Cruise recap; a review of the Ford GT; a strange airplane situation; plus Patreon questions include: Car trends in LA vs Detroit A car to delete from existence That Luce sale price Gordon Murray and the continuing F1 Maintain a 200k mile car vs a 100k mile car? Will RAM bring back the Dakota? Should tuners give EVs the burble tune? Why some auctions mention CA emissions How to avoid a rear-ender in Detroit Thoughts on inverted trikes And more! Recorded August 17, 2026 Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE FitBod Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://Fitbod.me/tire Quince Upgrade your everyday. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to https://Quince.com/tire. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK, too

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 2:08Matt Farah?

  Plus, the Woodward Dream Cruise, our favorite things about a absolutely crazy week of cars. And Zach and I's review of both the 2006 Ford GT Heritage and the 2026 Cadillac Escalade V. That, plus a personal update on my car collection on this episode of the Smoke and Tire Podcast. Let's go. Hello.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Hey.

• 2:37Matt Farah?

  Hello.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Good morning.

• 2:38Matt Farah?

  Happy Monday. It's a real office day for me. It's like a pure, pure ketchup from the last week. Depending on when you guys are listening to this, now, you're looking at now. Now is the Monday after Car Week, also the Monday after the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit, where Zach and I were with our friends, having a fucking good old time. We'll talk about that in just a second. But firstly, first, August 20th, very important, is the end of the, is the very end of our 911 Turbo S giveaway. It's your last chance to get in on this action. This isn't an ad read, I'm just saying, like, this is it.

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  You're not gonna hear us talk about it anymore. And the $275,000 car with some tasteful mods and a trunk full of cash to pay some taxes, that, that's gonna be going away, but you can still get it for a couple of days.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Is it midnight on the 20th, like?

• 3:38Matt Farah?

  Ooh, please go to the page and look at that. I recommend going before the 20th, just in case. I should probably know, but I don't know, so just go before that. But that's the last day, for sure. It feels like, it was only three months that the giveaway was actually live. It feels a little longer than that, but maybe that's because we were also working on the videos and stuff for, for long before that, but.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Oh, here we go, I found it. It ends on August 20th, 2026, 11:59 Pacific Time, so.

• 4:09Matt Farah?

  11:59?

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Sorry, PM.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  PM Pacific Time. So the latest possible opportunity in America.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Of the 20th.

• 4:16Matt Farah?

  On the 20th.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  You're excluding Hawaii, but yes.

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  Continental America.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yep.

• 4:24Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, that's coming to an end and it's been a lot of fun. We, we are, we're 90-some percent sure that we're gonna do another, another one. It seems like you guys are, were into it and so we're gonna keep that up. And thank you for everyone who has entered and best of luck winning yourselves a car. So that's going on. And, you know, speaking of the Porsches, we did see that the 911 is, S is coming back as a manual in America, which is very exciting. I bet that's gonna be a fun motherfucker to drive.

• 5:01Matt Farah?

  And while we were gone on our trip, update, the TST Book Club, the Smoke and Tire endorses Cory Doctorow's, The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI. It's, it's not a difficult or long read, it's about 225 pages. I blasted through it on a, on a round trip to Detroit. And it basically covers the difference, the analogy is a centaur and a reverse centaur. A centaur is a man with a horse's body, right? And in modern times, that's like a superhuman person. It's a person made superhuman by using tools, right?

• 5:45Matt Farah?

  And that could be a person driving a car that's going really fast, way faster, or flying an airplane, or an artist, or a technician using an AI, a large language model that improves their skillset and makes them, it's like, you know, the good things about AI and LLMs, right? That can help medical professionals do huge amounts of research very fast or organize things and, you know, stuff that it's actually good for. Whereas a reverse centaur is what sort of big industry wants, which is where you are the quote "human in the loop", and the human becomes essentially an expendable resource,

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  like an Amazon factory worker whose micro-movements are tracked by an AI. Or, you know, extreme surveillance capitalism that will give you extremely specific prices based on your shopping habits, your willingness to pay. Or the inverse of that, which is lower you, offer you the lowest possible wage for your service based on your amount of desperation. And that's where you're the reverse centaur and you basically work for a surveilling AI with, with or without maybe even realizing it. And so, you know, I'm, I'm pretty anti-AI.

• 7:10Matt Farah?

  After reading this book, I realized that, they're not realize, like, I knew this before, but like, there are certain areas, specific areas, where these technologies can be like enormously helpful. But in the way that they're being used and shit right now is like 95% bad.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, it's like the iceberg thing, like, we're being pitched on the tip, which is like, oh, the creativity and all the things it'll help you do, but the bottom part of that iceberg is, you know, is surveillance.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  Is extreme surveillance. And so Cory Doctorow also wrote In Shitification, which is a book about why everything on the internet seems kind of worse now. And who's profiting from that worseness and why? So I do recommend his other book. And Cory's been on like a, like a podcast tour promoting this book, which just came out. I think he was on with Jon Stewart, which is where I talked about him a couple of weeks ago and then I bought this book and he was on some other podcasts. So he's a great speaker, so even if you don't wanna buy this guy's book or, you know.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  If you can't read?

• 8:17Matt Farah?

  You can't, if you can't read, but you can listen.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Podcasts are there.

• 8:20Matt Farah?

  He's, he's on a bunch of podcasts, so go find one. Actually, this dude lives in LA, I'd love to get him on our podcast. I'll send him a message, maybe he's down. I also got my cop, my new copy of A.R. Moxon's book, Very Fine People, just came out. I'm again misspelled in the thank yous, because I'm a founder on his like Substack. And, you know, as you get a signed copy and I, I messaged him like, hey, man, love the first book, it was great, just so you know, like. And he was like, oh shit, like, my bad, whatever. He inscribed the new one, like.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Really?

• 8:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Dear Matt, sorry for misspelling your name, uh, again.

• 9:01Matt Farah?

  It's pretty funny.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  That's pretty good.

• 9:02Matt Farah?

  I just started that, if you, I love fucking A.R. Moxon. If you wanna get, get really awesomely philosophical in a way that'll really make you think about stuff, his new book is, is what's up. So, that's what I was reading on our way to Detroit. Oh, and before we talk about Dream Cruise, I'm still a little mystified by the aborted takeoff yesterday.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  If I am at, we gotta have one, we gotta have a pilot.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 9:34Matt Farah?

  Somewhere in the Patreon, or we gotta have a pilot. Here's what happened. We are taxiing out of DTW. Uh, we go to the runway. The pilot goes full throttle for, let's say, eight seconds? Right?

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 9:51Matt Farah?

  Maybe five?

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, five.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  Five seconds? Like, they got to full throttle. And probably got up to, I don't know, a hundred, a hundred miles an hour, maybe?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  I, I think it was, I think they let off much quicker than that. It was like, we're at full, and then it's off.

• 10:06Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  It was pretty abrupt.

• 10:08Matt Farah?

  It didn't seem like we were, we were at a point where it was too far down, where I actually felt unsafe. But I was like, oh shit, how about that?

• 10:15Speaker 01

  I felt like we had lots of runway left.

• 10:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, that, that was not really where I was going with this. But so we had an aborted takeoff. At, at, after full throttle, okay. We then pull into like a, like a weird siding, sort of down at the end of the runway for a few minutes, and they go. And, and the flight attendant runs from the front to the back. And, and they go, there's been a, there's a, there's a medical situation. They didn't say, I think they said emergency, but they said there's a medical situation, there's a passenger that's unwell. We have to go back to the gate. Okay. Um, but, but, you know, not an ambulance airside, you know?

• 10:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:53Matt Farah?

  Back to the gate, okay. So it takes us a few minutes to get back to the gate. It takes like 10 minutes to get back to the gate. Uh, and this person, who is, uh, unwell, uh, walks, um, with whoever she is traveling with, you know, from the back of the plane to the front of the plane. And they're saying to this person, talk, as they pass us, I hear a flight attendant talking to these people about making other arrangements.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 11:18Matt Farah?

  Okay. They say, we've got to top off our fuel, which, you know, takes a few minutes, and then we go. You were on the same flight as me, right? That's a pretty accurate description of events, right?

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:28Matt Farah?

  So to me, I'm very confused about a passenger, and I'm not a fucking doctor or anything, but like, I don't know where this passenger was sitting. Because like, if, the flight attendants would all be sitting during this fucking full throttle bit, right? They're not gonna be up.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 11:46Matt Farah?

  So, so, how, what medical situation happened so fast and so severely that it caused an aborted takeoff? But like, was not severe enough that this person walked off the plane? You know, under their own, whatever.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, it was very curious. I was expecting EMS to come on the plane. They said EMS would be waiting at the gate, um, but, you know, I was, I was like, oh, they'll probably walk on and help this person off.

• 12:14Matt Farah?

  That's right, yeah.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Whatever. And then I just saw two people stroll like at normal pace up the aisle. I was like, huh. Uh, and, and to your point, like, if someone's out there as a commercial pilot, how would this message of unwellness get from person to flight attendant to pilot in that moment?

• 12:32Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Instead of taking off or not taking off at all?

• 12:35Matt Farah?

  Correct. That's why that flow of information would have to happen really, really fast. And so that's what seemed a little fishy about it. Cause when they lifted and hit the brakes, I was like, okay, we've either had a mechanical, or someone like an ATC fucked up, and there's a cross traffic, or a plane coming the other, or gonna land up our ass, or something. You know, and, and like, that's gotta be sorted. Uh, so I, I couldn't, you know, the, the idea tree of what has gone wrong for me, like, hit a bunch of like intersections and dead ends at places that I couldn't understand.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:14Matt Farah?

  Maybe a pilot could tell us what, what happened there, or what could have happened there.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, let us know in the comments, if you, if you know, because it was a weird thing.

• 13:22Matt Farah?

  It was very strange. So that was our flight home, uh, yesterday. But, okay. We did not go to Car Week. We saw it through, you know, Instagram, like the rest of the non-Car Week attending people. And we'll talk about it actually in our live show with Smith and Sniff, I think.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, they went to Car Week.

• 13:41Matt Farah?

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• 14:25Matt Farah?

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• 15:08Matt Farah?

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• 16:25Speaker 01

  So much fun.

• 16:26Matt Farah?

  I mean, it was, this dude, Detroit is, and, and specifically, like, we stayed in Royal Oak. We, we were not, we didn't go to downtown Detroit, because that's not where fucking Dream Cruise was. Uh, the folks at, uh, 248 Garage, uh, on, on Woodward Avenue in Royal Oak were so kind to us. Doug and Zach, and Big Doug, and Lisa, and their staff. Um, they were excellent hosts. Don't look through my Instagrams for photos, I was, I was bad. I was having so much fun, I did not Instagram much. Um, but, uh, 248 Garage is like, it's a car storage place, uh, like WCCS, and they do detailing and PPF and that kind of stuff.

• 17:09Matt Farah?

  If you're in Detroit, they are lovely people.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Incredibly nice people, and very professional. I mean, they were, they were thinking ahead for us, they were thinking ahead for their business, like, they were really on top of logistics and hospitality. And what you'd want for us, you know, as performers going there, but also, I'm sure their customers are very well taken care of.

• 17:27Matt Farah?

  It would seem so. Um, but as performers, we had the best time. Uh, the live audience in Detroit, great energy, uh, great room, really fun show. And, uh, but let's talk about the Dream Cruise itself. Um, it's, like, you know, like I've said in the past, it's sort of like the purge for cars in that for a couple of days, like, pretty much everything is street legal.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 17:54Matt Farah?

  Um, you know, we saw cra- and, and, and what's so great about it is, it's incredibly diverse. Like, it's not like, oh yeah, it's all muscle cars, because it's Detroit. Like, there's a lot, there's a lot of muscle cars, highly represented. Uh, but also, so much JDM, uh, so much Euro stuff. Every exotic imaginable up to it, including Bugattis and shit.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Um, oh, that's right, that one, yeah. There were fewer exotics than I was expecting, even as like, like, you know, there were a lot more older cars in the beginning of the day, and then they got newer and newer as like night fell.

• 18:34Matt Farah?

  We actually saw more exotics on like Wednesday than we did on actual, Wednesday, Thursday, more exotics than Dream Cruise Day. Um, I think the cars got a little more American throughout the weekend.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Okay. I think, I mean, that was our experience for sure.

• 18:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  I'm just sending art myself pictures.

• 18:52Matt Farah?

  But it's, it's, the, the scale of the event is huge. You know, it's 16 miles long of a, a four lane each way, you know, divided major thoroughfare. Um, people the whole way. Bleachers, car shows the whole way, both organized and impromptu.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:15Matt Farah?

  Food vendors, um, and just so many people. And then, like, it, it, what's, what's good and bad, good, good if you're, uh- Uh, well, good and bad is that, like, regular people in, you can participate, like, anyone could participate.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 19:35Matt Farah?

  You could show up in any car and you are a participant. Now, should you show up in a fucking minivan and, and be a, be a part of the show? Like, probably not.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Well, I, I was told that in previous years, they would basically curate the lanes. So, the two outer lanes, meaning the lanes closest to the sidewalk would have the cool cars. And then if you just wanted to go up the road, you could be on, you know, the two lanes closest to the median. So, that's where like the minivans and the RAV4s and whatever were, would normally be.

• 20:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  It was more mixed up, so it seems like there was no control at the beginning of either end this time.

• 20:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they did not curate it there, but nevertheless, uh, the variety of the cars. I, I mean, just the craziest shit you've ever, you got like, there's like a Skyline and then a fucking Donk and then a Manks.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  And then like a Pro Street something, you know, like, we saw a guy with a parachute and he got pulled over. And we saw other cars that-

• 20:31Matt Farah?

  Multiple parachutes.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  That should, that probably run with parachutes, but took them off for this. Like, a lot of, uh, wheelie bars.

• 20:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  It was crazy.

• 20:38Matt Farah?

  And so many people doing burnouts, both good and like really embar- like-

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:45Matt Farah?

  People are trying their first burnout ever.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 20:47Matt Farah?

  And I'm like, dude, you guys like-

• 20:49Speaker 01

  People with like a truck full of, with six people in the bed are trying to do a brake stand and, you know, it's nothing but grip and they're like lunging a lifted truck for the person in front of them. Uh, it was so fun because everyone can participate. I think it's so great.

• 21:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Because everyone gets to be part of the parade. Everyone's like, I'm showing off my car, whatever it is, and the crowd is, is friendly to everyone who's going by. I mean, and we saw stuff that probably cost, I don't know, a couple hundred grand or a lot of time to build. And then we saw things that probably was a $400 car.

• 21:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Like the van that had air suspension-

• 21:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, God, it was great.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  And was just covered in jokes. Like, it looked like it had been in a fire.

• 21:26Matt Farah?

  It was an Astro.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  It was a Chevy Astro van, uh, on, on, on bags. And it was, there it is, no hood, splatter paint.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  They named it Lowered Expectations, which if you are a fan of SNL from 20 years ago, you'll get it.

• 21:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, the guy driving, it looks like that, uh, YouTuber Weston, you know that guy?

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  He looks like that. It's, it has a, a cut, it's not a, it's a, it's not a sunroof. It's like the center of the roof has been cut out.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:56Matt Farah?

  And it was just, oh, tss, tss, tss, tss, great.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  So good.

• 22:01Matt Farah?

  It was fantastic. Uh, so many people out the roofs of cars, so many people hanging out the sides of cars.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Look at that Fiat, that's a Fiat 500 convertible with three people standing up in the back of it.

• 22:13Matt Farah?

  There was also a lot of incredibly, like, trashy wannabe Instagram influencers doing like photo shoots in the back of pickup trucks that were cruising down the road too.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, there were-

• 22:28Matt Farah?

  It's just super funny.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  You see, there was a girl who was kind of being, like, she was like the parade queen. Like, she was sitting up out of the truck. And then later in the day, there was a woman who was like 82 doing the same thing.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  And then the first girl was like 20. Uh, it was really funny to see them both kind of pulling the same move.

• 22:45Matt Farah?

  Well, the one who was like, who was like the, the, the Miss, you know, Royal Oak or Miss Woodward, whatever it was, she was standing up in a,

• 22:56Matt Farah?

  I believe it was an Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra, like, from the 80s convertible. And which there were like a bunch of, shockingly, a bunch of, not shockingly, it was Detroit. But like, there were a bunch of really, there were a bunch of super, su- like, people that would take home trophies in Radwood, like-

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:14Matt Farah?

  Just the Mentist medium shitboxes, like, which I was, I was so stoked, like, the Mentist, like, Rhiatta and Alonte and-

• 23:24Speaker 01

  I saw a guy driving like an 83 Corolla that was gold.

• 23:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Like, gold bronze color, super clean, and he looked like he was just heading to work.

• 23:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  But the car would have been Radwood royalty, for sure.

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  I saw what mice, must be the nicest Pontiac Sunbird left on the planet. And it was the 80s Sunbird, red, white interior, white wheels and white Sunbird script, like it's a GT3 RS on the side. I was like, whoa, this is, with like, an 80-year-old fucking blue-haired lady and her three, like, you know, mahjong fucking friends just rolling. It was amazing. Um, I saw a Polaris slingshot that had, it must, I mean, it must have been five or 600 pounds of speakers, like, PA-level speakers, like draped on it.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, I saw one that had, like, the side valence where, you know, normally it's just the wheels and the suspension go. People are bolting speakers that face outward onto that. So, and, and the guy, Doug was like, oh, don't you guys have slingshots in LA? I was like, yeah, but nobody puts speakers on the outside of them like this.

• 24:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they do, they do the LED strips, really, and they'll put the bump in stereos, but this was like, the slingshot from behind almost resembled like the Tumblr from Batman because they had so much, like, it looked like armoring almost, but it was speakers.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Speakers.

• 24:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  I would hate to be next to that person in traffic.

• 24:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, this dude who had a Yamaha dirt bike with like a vintage, like BMW sidecar that then had a 50-cal gun just sitting in it.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, the leading edge of this vehicle is his 50-cal.

• 25:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Um, what else, I mean-

• 25:12Matt Farah?

  So many good trucks.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  Lot of good trucks.

• 25:14Matt Farah?

  The, it's amazing, uh, GM employee pricing must be significant in Detroit because the, everybody got a C8.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:26Matt Farah?

  There's, a C8 is Detroit's Corolla. They are fucking everywhere. The number of Z06s and ZR1, how about the number of electric Hummers that we saw?

• 25:36Speaker 01

  So, more in this trip than I have seen since I reviewed that car two years ago. And we live in LA, which is like king of the EVs, and in the inverse. I think I saw four Teslas the entire trip.

• 25:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Two were Cybertrucks.

• 25:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  I saw like a Model Y and, and a Model 3. My favorite memory of the Cybertruck is, there was a Cybertruck and then in front of it, closer to us, was like, this guy's custom-built X set. And I pulled my camera up and the Cybertruck guy saw me and I said, can you move? I'm trying to take a picture, and he pulled out of the way.

• 26:07Matt Farah?

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• 27:36Matt Farah?

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• 28:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:19Matt Farah?

  To, uh, to score people's cars.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  That was fun.

• 28:21Matt Farah?

  Um, which, and honestly, like, I feel, you know, I want, I, I, I wasn't even gonna hold up the board and give somebody a three. I, I was only even holding up the board if it was like-

• 28:32Speaker 01

  We were doing like nines and elevens.

• 28:33Matt Farah?

  Eight, nine, anywhere from eight to a thousand, right? Like, but a Cybertruck did come by with a huge light bar on top of it that was turned on and like big bro-y rims on it. And I held up a zero and I just went, boo! Like, it was like two feet from me with its windows down.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  I gave a zero, there was a huge F-350 driven by high school kids, but they had train horns mounted front and rear.

• 29:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Like, eight horns, and I saw them and I just hate that stuff, so I gave them a zero. And to their credit, when they came back around, they did blast the horn and made me jump out of my skin. So, and it was hours later, so I had like, you know, forgotten about it. So, I deserve that.

• 29:19Matt Farah?

  There were, uh, we also, uh, you know, about halfway through, as it started to get dark on Saturday, you know, some like, high school kids made a sign that said like, do a burnout and posted up like, right near where we were. And so, they were trying to get everybody to a burnout. So, we saw some, some really excellent ones and also some good, bad, you know, burnouts. Like, really, remember,

• 29:49Matt Farah?

  remember the guy with the 442 that did the all clutch smoke?

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. That was, when you see the smoke coming out from under the car, like, the middle of the car, not the back of the car. Yeah, we started yelling clutch.

• 30:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, this poor bastard. He had like, four up in his car, too.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, too much weight.

• 30:04Matt Farah?

  And it was just all clutch smoke. Oh, sad.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  There was the rusty 300, that V6 that tried to do a burnout, and then it tried to turn into the alley to like, drift, sort of, and everyone just thought they were about to crash. And this car was like, rusting apart, so it would not have been the safest vehicle. But, there was like, the mood was so happy. I mean, we were having fun, like, it's very celebratory, and I cannot express how early people start to claim their lawns.

• 30:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Like, along the street, there are, there are Easy Up frames that are put out there. I mean, we saw them on Wednesday.

• 30:37Matt Farah?

  Days, days.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Days ahead to claim your spot, and then when it's fine, when you're, when you're gonna go sit there, then you'll put the tarp over it and bring your chairs out. And people were there for fucking 10 hours.

• 30:46Matt Farah?

  And, and actually, I mean, it says something about Detroit, I think. I mean, not that there's a lot of value in a, in an Easy Up frame, but like, it says something about a, a city that's kind of known for like, lawlessness, and, you know, has a reputation for being shitty. I don't think Detroit's shitty. I think it's fun. I think it's a great place, full of great people, that's had some rough times. And infrastructurally, it's like, meh. But in terms of like, a vibe and people, it's just great.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:16Matt Farah?

  But like, that you can put that thing up on Wednesday, and nobody will fuck with it, nobody will move out of the way, and you'll come back on Saturday, and it's there. And even if, even if the whole shit is wall to wall on either side of your Easy Up, like, your Easy Up, we saw that, a couple of them, where it was like, 3 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon, Hannah and I took a walk, and it's like, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, empty frame. And like, nobody was fucking with it.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:43Matt Farah?

  Like.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just how you claim your spot.

• 31:45Matt Farah?

  It's a respectful place.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  And people like, they bring little barbecues out there, they, it's the whole thing, and it just felt, it felt really wholesome. And everyone in the Midwest is so, they're so friendly, which I think lends itself to this kind of event. Um...

• 31:57Matt Farah?

  And no one's talking about like, no one's talking about like, what a car's worth, what a car, you know, the, it, it's, it's really like, cars are a little more like, pure at this thing.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's a whole, it's mostly built, not bought. You know, mostly, it's like, stock vehicles, or they're modified in a way that you're like, you did that yourself, or maybe your friend who has a hot rod shop. Um, but it's not clearly a $2 million car that was bought from a corporation that's, you know, you know, like, medium sized to huge. I think that was like, there's fewer exotics, there weren't any, I saw, the, the first Airqual 911 I saw was at like, 9pm.

• 32:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I really, I saw, I saw a couple, but not a lot. Yeah, not a lot at all.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  So, it wasn't, it wasn't singers, and which are great, but it wasn't stuff like that. It was mostly things that people probably drove frequently, built themselves, modded a little bit, like, it was just, it was, what did I think about this morning?

• 32:58Matt Farah?

  And stuff that...

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Is the car show for the 99%? Or represents the 99%?

• 33:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And stuff that it seemed like people had for a really long time. You know, you'd see like, you'd see some old timer in like, a 58 vet, and it's like, you've had that. You've had that a long time, my friend. You know, like, there was, there was a bunch of that, and, you know, a bunch of, a bunch of, of really oddball home built, but also like, a guy was driving a Radical down the street.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, with a plate on it.

• 33:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Like, I saw several full-on race cars, uh, that were being driven down the road in, in a variety of different states.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:38Matt Farah?

  Um, and, you know, at nighttime, we saw a whole bunch of cars with parachutes on them, on their way to somewhere nearby, you know, to go have a good time. And there's a, a whole bunch of like, after-hours, sort of night, um, oh, Jesus, what was that kid's name? Oh, the dude who had the, the cool after-hours show that we went to. Now, Noah, was it Noah? I think, I think it was, right? Um, he, he would be right at home at a Lufth or something like that, but he was get, doing his thing in Detroit. Actually, that's where I saw more Porsches than anywhere else.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Yep. That was the most exotic, the, the largest group of exotic cars I saw all week. And it was like, sort of a curated event, meaning he texted the people that had these cars. They put up speakers and lights, like, in an industrial area, and it was kind of like...

• 34:27Matt Farah?

  He said they staged it on the fly, though.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  Which is pretty cool.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  The lights were stuck to a truck. It was like, it felt like, uh, a miniature version of a Fast and Furious type, like, hang moment, but it was real.

• 34:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was pretty cool.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was very cool.

• 34:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, and the guys at, uh, at Platinum were night, were really nice as well, hung out them after-hours. They were, they were very cool. Everybody in Detroit was like, so ridiculously hospitable and, and nice. Um, and there was not a lot of like, classes, like, classism stuff, like, even it like, even driving like, a, a, a really, you know, we were driving a very expensive car around, we're driving around this Ford GT, which I want to talk about in a second. Um, which, by the way, you're a god. In Detroit, you drive, that is like, driving a LaFerrari around Maranello.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:18Matt Farah?

  You are a god. Um, everybody of, of all colors, creeds, sexes, and income brackets, shows reverence to you driving that car. And deservedly so, it was the best car in the world. Um, also, it must be said, Detroit's license plate game is extraordinary.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Unmatched.

• 35:41Matt Farah?

  I've never been anywhere in my life where the custom plates are, were this good.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  And how many, the number of custom plates, like, the density of them among the car population was incredible.

• 35:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This ass man plate that's on the screen is not real. Um, but, the, we saw, the plates that we saw that were real, were some really, really great creativity. I think, you know, I think because there's so many fewer people in Michigan than there are in California, it's easier to get, like, a whole, a whole word or, or a phrase that's maybe spelled, you know, and then, when you have the density of Dream Cruise, you just see a lot of them. But like, Michigan, your fucking plate game is dope. Oh, that narrow, there's T-buckets.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  That looks terrifying.

• 36:32Matt Farah?

  There's so many T-buckets.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Narrow body tub, something, um...

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  But even this photo, you've got an F-150 Lightning, this narrow-bodied, crazy Dragster thing, a Z06, there's a Triumph behind there, like a 65 Mustang, in one photo. The, and, and, here in this photo, we've got a C6 Corvette Z06, a DeLorean, an AMX, some kind of Bronco, and then like, a three-window or something.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  I was looking for, uh, this thing was really cool.

• 37:04Matt Farah?

  Wireframe.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  I think I got the focus right. Wireframe Beetle was awesome, next to a golf cart, sure.

• 37:10Matt Farah?

  There were some excellent Beetles. The Manks would have crushed. The Manks, next time, we have to go back to Manks. Donks.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  This guy's plate was my design. It was like, he designed his own X set and then got the plate for it. Uh, the donk game was strong.

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  Donk game was strong, and the Cadillac game was strong. Some fabulous Cadillacs. Um, the, I really did enjoy some of the donks we saw. And there were some like, the modern donks, like, there was like, a pretty new Camaro on...

• 37:41Speaker 01

  They were like, 40-inch wheels. They were the biggest wheels I've ever seen in my life.

• 37:44Matt Farah?

  40s. I was like, how do you turn?

• 37:47Speaker 01

  And, by the way, driven by like, a 36-year-old woman, who was having the time of her life. And it was like, a lime green Camaro with lime green wheels.

• 37:54Matt Farah?

  Stairs.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Were they stairs, too?

• 37:56Matt Farah?

  Stairs.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  There were a lot of stairs there, which was rad. A lot of floating rims happening.

• 38:00Matt Farah?

  Lots of hot rod power tour shit. Oh, by the way, Zach, remember how I told, I insisted that this was the same car that we saw twice in a row?

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:08Matt Farah?

  It was not.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  There's two of them?

• 38:09Matt Farah?

  There were two. One had like, a black scuff on the lower passenger door, and the other one didn't. This is, this is a Pontiac Can-Am?

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, which I don't even know if I've ever seen before. Uh, it's got a T, it's, it's, it looks like it's got a Trans Am engine. It says TA 6.6, but it's the four door, like, you know, is this a B body? What do you call?

• 38:38Speaker 01

  This is, uh, only available in 1977. It was named for the Can-Am series and it had 200 horsepower. It looks like it has a lot more than that.

• 38:48Matt Farah?

  6.6 liter.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  1977. Um, let's see, the TA 6.6 version made 180.

• 38:56Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  So this actually has less. That's pretty funny.

• 38:59Matt Farah?

  So there are actually two of these. There was, there was a bunch of shit that you just never, never see in really, really good condition.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:07Matt Farah?

  Lot of, lot of great Volkswagens.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I love this plate. Heel toe on the Viper.

• 39:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Sorry, I cut you off.

• 39:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, it looks like the Mercedes in front of it has a custom plate, too. We saw, we, there's so many, uh, maybe not. We saw so many good plates.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:21Matt Farah?

  I, I had the best time at this fucking thing. It's just, it's everything. It's everything imaginable, just coming at you. You can get in, you can pull out of your parking space, cruise up the road, look and look at what's parked on the side of the road. And then pick a spot, stop, and then the world comes to you. And then you jump back in, you keep going. It's just awesome.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  And that's what's great is instead of, like Monterey has gotten better about like being more inclusive because they've got all these shows like Legends of the Autobahn and the, and like the Radwood shows. So they're, they've begun celebrating more of those groups rather than those people driving their car, parking and then going to the concourse.

• 40:01Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Um, but in this case, it all just comes to you. You just sit there and you get to see all of those different genres and like groups just drive by without having to go to, you know, run around town. It was awesome.

• 40:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was, it was, I mean, I'm not, you know, it's not like, is one better than the other?

• 40:17Speaker 01

  They're very different.

• 40:18Matt Farah?

  They're so different, but like as a, as a palate cleanser from a decade plus of Car Week attendance. It's like, oh, that's, that's refreshing.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  And here you get to see some stupidity, like the people doing burnouts and immediately getting pulled over right next to us. The guy had, he was in a Charger jailbreak.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, dude.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  He does a burnout like 50 feet from us. And then he turns into a bank driveway to like get away and a cop Tahoe just goes right across the road and right behind him. And I have the video of him driving by, holding his ticket up and his friend is driving home. We saw, we saw a lot of that stuff. And so that stuff like just punctuates the moment, you know? You're like, oh, I'm watching cars drive by. It's a fun cruise and then someone's an idiot or does something silly or like the crab walking soft five truck for, you know? Like drives over the lawn because it can, just weird little antics of people kind of showing off.

• 41:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, the crimes are very wholesome.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:13Matt Farah?

  To be honest with you, it's, it's very, very.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  And watching these people just, we were, I don't know, 150 feet from an intersection where there were like 10 cop cars.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  So lights on all day and people would do burnouts next to us, trying to be sneaky and hope that those police officers can't see the source of the smoke. That's the game they're all playing and then.

• 41:35Matt Farah?

  Even though they can't go anywhere, they're stuck there.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Cannot run.

• 41:38Matt Farah?

  The cop can just walk up to you and go, you.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's like you're walking in a crowd and you yell something at a police officer and you hope they, they can't determine who said it.

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  Bro, I saw people get pulled over on foot.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the smartest move. Police officer just stand in the crowd and then walk up and go, hey, like, fuck.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  And you get pulled over on foot? That's so fucking bad.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Not even bicycle, on foot.

• 42:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, and so many 12 o'clock boys, so many crazy, small fit, like, like mini bikes and weird, uh, scooters and like home-built improv scooters and like vintage scooters.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  The radio flyer, the guy had like a radio flyer propelled by a two-stroke and he was 65 years old. A lot of kids on bicycles doing wheelies.

• 42:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Between cars. I was like, man, that's, that's bold. You're confident in your skills.

• 42:28Matt Farah?

  Dude, there was a couple of times where you had a, a shit box behind a car of enormous value, you know, that like was probably full of boomers. And this, some like, you know, 18 year old is just ripping a brake stand in his rusty fucking 2013 Charger RT.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 42:51Matt Farah?

  Just burning his, and this kid, if he, if he doesn't manage his rollout exactly right, he's rear ending like a half million dollar pro touring car.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, really gutsy, gutsy stuff.

• 43:04Matt Farah?

  God, it was so fun.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  It was really, really fun just standing on the side of the road, like just commenting, we're just not roasting, positive roasting. Look at this weird AMX thing.

• 43:13Matt Farah?

  But just the whole week too, like, like, you know, we got there on Wednesday, picked up the GT. People were already cruising Wednesday night. Ali and I like posted up at like a custard shop and a, people were coming, like a lot of exotics. People were coming by doing like big pulls and shit because there was fewer people. So there's room to drive. And then it just gets more and more and more and more sort of, sort of dense.

• 43:39Matt Farah?

  Fuck, it was really cool. I cannot recommend attending this highly enough. It is great. It was great.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  It was a really, really good time. Here's the burnout kids. Shout out to them. They were peer pressuring everyone aggressively, aggressively like, and you're stuck in traffic. So these kids can talk shit to you for 30 to 60 seconds and shame you into doing it. Uh, that was really fun to watch.

• 44:02Matt Farah?

  This, I remember this one, this, this Charger here, the girl is like, he doesn't want to do it. The girl in the passenger seat.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  My favorite was he, he was talking crap to a pickup truck and someone in the back, like the second row of the pickup truck, another high school kid started talking shit back. And it was like a two minute exchange of them making fun of each other, like these guys should be best friends, but right now they're, they're friendly enemies. It was so good.

• 44:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, what a great time.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:27Matt Farah?

  And, uh, the Ford GT, I mean, 20 years old this year, uh, the, the 06 GT, the, the newest possible, uh, very version you could get. Uh, this one is, was it really cool because it's, uh, it's Ford's car. It's actually VIN number five. Did you notice that?

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:45Matt Farah?

  0005, uh, heritage, um, GT, Macintosh stereo. Shout out to the, um, extremely drunk dude at our show.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  With the breathalyzer in his car. Uh, you know who you are.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did not drive home. He slept in front of his car, I believe, like in a little like hammock thing. I just want to make people know that.

• 45:06Matt Farah?

  No, no, he, he couldn't drive home.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Right. That's a good point.

• 45:09Matt Farah?

  The car said nine.

• 45:13Matt Farah?

  But, uh, he gave me a Tupac CD.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Oh, that's where that came from.

• 45:17Matt Farah?

  The Tupac CDs, which, which I left in the GT. So now the next, the next person who gets the privilege of driving it will have a little, a little role in music.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  It's in there. I listened to it when I just cruised the thing around.

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  Macintosh stereo, still good after all these years.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Really good stereo, dude, really good.

• 45:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  I think Thumps.

• 45:33Matt Farah?

  So, um, I mean, dude, I, I, you know, I drove these cars when they were new. Uh, I wasn't quite in the industry yet, but I, I have said many times, we had one at Gotham Dream Cars. It was by far my favorite car that we had. Um, I then got to drive a couple, you know, early, earlier in, in my career for, for work reasons. And there, I, in my opinion, just one of the most fabulous cars ever made, delightful to drive and, and what a treat to get to fucking roll around in it for Car Week. Cause he, uh, excuse me, um, for, for Dream Cruise, because like even though I didn't really get to go very fast, just, you don't have to go very fast to enjoy what this car is about.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:12Matt Farah?

  You, did you really ever have a go before this time?

• 46:14Speaker 01

  No, I've never driven one before.

• 46:16Matt Farah?

  So what did you think?

• 46:17Speaker 01

  It was amazing. It was so amazing. I mean, I've, I've loved them dearly because of how they look and I know how fast they can go and how sturdy they are. Like I appreciate all those things about it, but I'd never driven one and I just, I pulled out of the driveway and I was like, why is this? You said it would be easy to drive, incredibly easy to drive.

• 46:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  And so knowing that it is as stout and reliable as it is, and you could put thousands of horsepower in it or go 280 miles an hour, like all those things. But it also was so easy to steer, clutch was light, shifting was great.

• 46:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the shifters, the shifters.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Transmission was like well broken, so it was like greasy but precise.

• 46:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Um, you know, visibility out the front is good and it was awesome.

• 46:59Matt Farah?

  It's got a great driving position.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, ergonomic. The only ergonomic problem is the, is the seats, which look cool, but those plastic circles were pushing on my various vertebrae. So after, after about an hour, I was like, what am I feeling? And then I looked at, at the other seat, I went, oh, these dumb circles.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's funny. That's just a throwback to the original car.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  I know, I think if I, I would buy one and I'd have a new version of the seat made by, you know, someone who can make it perfect out of like all leather and it'd be great.

• 47:28Matt Farah?

  Huh, that's an interesting, I've, I've never felt those things in a way that bothered me, but that's an interesting one. You know what you do? Go full sheepskin.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Sure. There you go. Yeah, that's a good idea. Man, what a car. I love it.

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  It, everything about it is smooth, light, easy. Uh, the power band is just, it's, it's really, really, really smooth, everything it does. And it asks like nothing of you really.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:55Matt Farah?

  Um, and it, it, you know, the, the steering rack is a Ford Focus.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  You said SVT one?

• 48:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, SVT Focus, yeah. Steering rack they used, they, they tried like a hundred steering racks.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  It feels so nice.

• 48:07Matt Farah?

  Best one.

• 48:09Matt Farah?

  And it, it does not drive like a 20 year old car at all. I mean, it just, it's, you could, you could sell it today, pretty much. You could sell it today for, it would be a million dollar car if you were selling that new today.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  I mean, it is if you sell a used one, but I think because of the, you know, no weight over the nose, you have the narrow tires and the steering rack. It's an easier car to drive than like a new Dark Horse or a new GT 500.

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  It's amazing, um, and it's 20 years old and just look at it. Good lord.

• 48:40Matt Farah?

  And because it was designed to be a road car and not designed to be a race car, and it was a particularly shitty race car when they tried. Because of that, it is nice to drive on the road. The newer GT is designed to be a race car. It's a homologation car. And consequently, it's not that it's not nice to drive on the road, but it's a race car. So it's very harsh. You can hear all the gravel coming up in the wheel wells because there's no sound insulation. You know, it's not particularly comfortable. It's not focusing on what it feels like or sounds like. None of that is really important. What's important with winning races and then figuring out how to put a plate on something as close to the race car as they could.

• 49:26Matt Farah?

  This is build a great road car, and it shows. Because when you're out actually driving on the road, you're like, this is so fucking good.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  And it sounds good, but it's not that loud. I went through a tunnel, like, it's not that loud, just sounds, you know, Mustang-ish. It's not.

• 49:44Matt Farah?

  Almost everybody puts exhausts on it.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would too. Doesn't intrude in the cabin. It's just so easy to live. I took it to the grocery store, and the only, I was really glad that the parking spaces in Detroit are wide because you have to open that door. But, as you said, because of my back problem, it was the easiest car to get into because I just drop in from the roof. You know, I don't have to like curl over to get my head under the roof at all because the roof isn't there.

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, parking it requires thought because you have to consider if you have enough room to open the door, which is, you know, okay, it's a quirk of the car. That's pretty much it. And that and the fact that there is no trunk at all, there's no, and there's no, there isn't even like a cubby, there's a nothing.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, because there's this giant subwoofer between you and your passengers, so you couldn't even put a backpack there.

• 50:34Matt Farah?

  If you don't have the four option, if you don't have a Macintosh stereo, and therefore there is no subwoofer, there's like a pouch thing that goes there, but there's really nowhere to put anything, which is, in the cellphone era, is like a bit of a pain in the ass. So, but, I mean, fucking, you have to, there's not a lot of cars that I've driven at any price that I think drive better than that car. I mean, you have to, to really go, this is better.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  I mean, I think, I have to drive in the canyons because I don't know what the steering feedback is like when you start getting twisty.

• 51:19Matt Farah?

  Sure, I think, I think you, well, the limits are going to be lower than a modern, you know, GT3 or whatever, and it really matters what tires you put on them, and the tire selection is pretty limited.

• 51:33Matt Farah?

  But I think, you know, you can't push them as hard in the corners as you can some other cars, but at a 80% public road, you know, canyon blast, they're a fabulous time. You could guess by how it was that it's going to be great. It's not meant to be driven at the limit. It's meant to be like, really have every input kind of enjoyed, and in the context of it now being 20 years old as a classic car, that's really how you would drive it.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  That's kind of like modern Maserati, like the MC20. Very good at 85%.

• 52:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  If you go to 95 or 100, it kind of ruins it.

• 52:14Matt Farah?

  Well, it's sort of, it's weird that that, that's how I think about most classic cars, like the 355. I don't want to go out and push a 355 to 100%, but at 70, it's fucking fabulous, right? Because in the context, it's a classic car. That's sort of how I feel about this now. I don't think when it was new, I had the skill to push it to 100%, but I remember it being nice.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  But if I had one, I would still love to go to like a Texas Mile event.

• 52:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, well, straight lines.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, and do that, do that kind of stuff.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this car is more about high-speed stability in a straight line than it is about downforce and grip in the corners. Like, it could totally do a canyon blast or a track day, but that's not really what it's for. But it's just the greatest place to spend your time and go for a drive.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  And what's funny about it is when you sit in it, like the, where's my mouse? You know, the knobs for volume and air, or sorry, just air, are like, you know, brushed aluminum, they're really nice, the action's really good, but then to roll the window down is the cheap Ford switch that we've seen, like I had it in, you know, Crown Vixen cars before that. So, just don't look to the left.

• 53:24Matt Farah?

  The window switch is enchanting.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  If you look out the windshield or down to your right, it looks, everything's expensive. Feels it and looks it, yeah.

• 53:31Matt Farah?

  And this car, you know, this is a 28,000-mile car, you know, VIN number five, I assume that is actually pre-production. It's probably an unsellable car. 28,000 miles. It was a little scruffy. Like, I don't, you know, I'm not trying to insult them, like, they're car from the Heritage Collection, but like, the TAC didn't work, which is actually a common problem in GTs, is that gauge failing, and I'm not sure how many are left. So, and there, you know, there was a good amount of signs of wear, which is like, dude, I love that. Like, you can just treat it like a car, it doesn't have to be treated like a museum piece.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, so great.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  And it didn't rattle, even though it had that many miles on it. It was more, it was aesthetically inside, you could see the miles.

• 54:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  But from the outside, it looked really clean and great. And I came around, I wasn't really that into Gulf livery for, up until like driving this car, but having something that colorful was really fun. And just like that blue looking out over the windshield was a really nice thing to see versus the, you know, hardcore black and like hardcore silver and gray or whatever.

• 54:43Matt Farah?

  It's not the color I'd buy.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Me neither, but I appreciate it.

• 54:46Matt Farah?

  For this particular event, I get it, though.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  People are losing their minds.

• 54:51Matt Farah?

  Ford, I mean, look, Porsche's doing Carrera GT recommissioning, you know, I think Ford should get in the recommissioning business for these cars. You know, you should be able to send your GT back and send them $150,000 or $200,000, which I know is a huge amount of money, but if these things are going to be valuable, you know, have them gone through, maybe you get to, maybe you do a color change like Porsche's doing, you can choose your own, you know, tailor-made, however they want to do it. I bet there's margins in that for Ford, and I bet a lot of people would do it.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Because right now, isn't the story that the maintenance is done by this roving band of engineers, like, they're like, hey, we're going to be in LA for a week, if you have a Ford GT, we're going to set up this shop.

• 55:36Matt Farah?

  Like the GT guys or something.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  And like, you bring your car to them, because I think Ford doesn't service these anymore, or very, very few dealerships will service them.

• 55:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, and they do have, you know, although they are Fords and they're known for being very dependable, they do have specific things to them that can be very expensive to maintain, but they're now, they're worth it now. You know, they were always worth it to me, but they're worth it really for now. And so I'm actually going to be writing about the GT for Road and Track as well.

• 56:10Matt Farah?

  But it's just such a fucking great thing, man. Ah, it's so cool. It's so cool.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Loved it.

• 56:15Matt Farah?

  And GM lent us an Escalade V, which maintains its position as one of the silliest cars on sale. I mean that in an endearing way. It is extremely silly, it makes so much noise.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  It's so loud, but it's not that fast, at least from like zero to 70.

• 56:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  You know, maybe at freight trains, we didn't, you know, experience that.

• 56:38Matt Farah?

  Other people told us is like, the regular Escalade falls off around 85, and this one will, you know, keeps going.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  This one starts going at 85.

• 56:46Matt Farah?

  Which, with the brakes that were on this, I certainly do not recommend.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, even at normal, just driving around town, you get on the brakes and you feel the weight of this thing, and there's other cars, Porsches, but other things that, like, you don't feel that weight because the brakes are up to the job, so.

• 57:02Matt Farah?

  This thing should probably have bigger brakes than it has. But for hauling around people and stuff, for stoplight to stoplight, when you're not really paying for the gas, it is, it is fucking hilarious. We had let Christian drive it and put it in loud mode, and boy, did he instantly turn into a dickbag.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, everybody turns into a high school kid driving a muscle car. It's just, he drove in second gear for most of that journey, and just like, rev, lift off, rev, lift off, and then I did it, and then Ali did it, and it just, because you want to make, everyone needs a little burble tune in their life for a short amount of time.

• 57:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  The problem, I think, is when you put it on your BMW here in Los Angeles, you do it all the time, and it also sounds worse and louder than this car. It was a good, and what, like, as a car to get around in, these are pretty much unmatched. Like, for a livery vehicle, they're easy to get in, comfy, the seat shape is good, like, the features are nice, plenty of room, really good at that.

• 58:01Matt Farah?

  The steering wheel shape is a little weird to me, and the UI in this is a little too much compared to like the Blackwing CT5 that like got it right. I was like, stop, just stop right here, just don't go, and, but now it's got the big curved screen and it's.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  It has the Audi screen also.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  And you have to figure out which one you need to touch to do what you want to do.

• 58:22Matt Farah?

  Which is a little much screen.

• 58:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:25Matt Farah?

  But, yeah, it's, this is the, this is, because like, muscle cars, like the Mustang and the Camaro, and even to a certain degree, the new Charger, you know, they have to like handle a little bit, they have to stop a little bit, like, you can't build the traditional muscle car. This is it. This is, this is tons of Audi roll.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:51Matt Farah?

  No, way more power than brakes, you know, and just the amount of noise compared to the amount of speed. I haven't fact-checked this, but I believe Johnny when he says that the Cadillac engineers, because he went on the launch for this, apparently this was during Cadillac's apparent attempt to pivot to full EV.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:11Matt Farah?

  And the V engineers were told that this is the last combustion engine, your exhaust system you're ever going to sell. This is it. So make it loud.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 59:24Matt Farah?

  And they just, and it is, it is like, the cold start on this, we had a fucking supercar parked next to it in the driveway, that you cold-start that Ford GT and you cold-start this Escalade, and if you were across the street, you'd think you had just started the other one.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, we got an Escalade once, we started it, and there were some neighbors down the street that were having their mini car show, five people in lawn chairs, everyone's head turned, and they were like probably disappointed.

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  But you start the GT and it's just like a normal start.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 59:53Matt Farah?

  The GT doesn't burble or shoot fire, it's just like a normal powerful engine that revs really smoothly and makes the car go fast.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Now, would you rather drive this on a racetrack or the Hellcat Durango that we had at Road America?

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  So if I could, because I was told later by our friend John Hammer, who I saw at Dream Cruise, that the Hellcat Durango apparently ships with DOT 3 brake fluid instead of DOT 4. And it just smokes the brake fluid like right away. And if you put better brake fluid in it, it'll hold up for like five laps. I think I would rather drive around the track in the Hellcat Durango. I think objectively dynamically, that's a better vehicle for going around corners and shit like that. But like for the process of like actually putting six people in a vehicle to drive around for an event,

• 1:00:55Matt Farah?

  this for sure. Yeah. I didn't really see a lot of these.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  We did not see a lot of Escalade Vs. We saw way more Hellcat powered vehicles than we saw. Saw a few Blackwings, AT4 and CT5.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, saw a lot of that stuff, a lot of CTSs.

• 1:01:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  I mean, I didn't see that many SUVs in general that were like cool SUVs. Everyone brought out their cars because as Doug told us, the driving season there is like four months a year.

• 1:01:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  Six if you get good, you know, decent cold weather tires, not winter tires, but like tires that are sticky in the cold.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  But they start salting the roads and everyone just puts away their cool stuff. So everyone's bringing out their summer vehicle.

• 1:01:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a real, that's a two, we, like in California, we've got a two car. In LA, it's like you need two cars because the traffic is so shitty and then you have the mountain. And in general, if possible, these are not the same tasks, right? Same thing with Michigan, but for summer and winter.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:52Matt Farah?

  You do not want to be driving your car, your good car in the winter. So everyone's sort of got a winter beater. But man, what a good.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  So much fun.

• 1:02:02Matt Farah?

  What a good time. And thank you to, thank you to GM for the Escalade and thank you to Ford for letting us use the GT. And I'll have more GT content in the print version of Road and Track coming soon. Oh, a little bit, huh? We can go to the people.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  We're in an hour or so.

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we can go to the people. But I think I was talking, uh, my dad told me this morning, because I called him, because I sent, I asked Larry Casilla who the best mobile detailer is in that area. And he and Nat gave me the same guy. I sent him to my dad's house and I was like soup to nuts on the Cayenne. I want him to, and my dad called me, he's like, this is fucking, he says it looks better than it was new.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:02:53Matt Farah?

  You know, he said these guys did a great job, but also he thinks they were trying to impress him because it, because he's my dad. I think they were, the guy was a fan a little bit, but great. I mean, I will, if you're in Connecticut and want a good mobile detailer, hit me up and I'll share his contact info. But he was, you know, we're talking about the Aston Martin Vanquish is at service. It needs a new fuel pump. That's why it, that's why it was running like a shit and it wouldn't rev. So, okay, it's kind of a bitch.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Where's the fuel pump?

• 1:03:31Matt Farah?

  Well, to get it, you have to take out the backseat. You have to go through that way.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  That's not a big deal.

• 1:03:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Same thing in the E46 M3.

• 1:03:40Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't be such a pussy.

• 1:03:41Matt Farah?

  Is it? I'm not doing it. Is that what you have to do?

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  A hundred percent is, yeah.

• 1:03:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, so that sucks.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  It does suck. And it depends on how the backseat comes out, obviously.

• 1:03:49Matt Farah?

  No, he was like, you don't want to know. He's like, this is a real bitch. And also it's been, you know, it's been nine years since the major service. It hasn't been very many miles, but, but it's been nine years. Also, the tires, nine years old. And so I just said, all right, Habibi, let's fucking go. I said, it's time. I said, just, just dive in there and start finding shit. I know you're, and I got it in an Indy shop now, no more dealer bullshit. But, but in the source of this conversation, you know, I was, I was like, dad, are you going to drive this car? And he's like, I just, you know, I drive it so it gets driven. And I was like, all right, well then I'm just sending a truck and bringing it back.

• 1:04:28Matt Farah?

  So if that's it, I was like, because he only, he doesn't, they only have a specific number of garage spaces over there. I said, let me get that thing out of there. Go buy yourself a brand new DB12. You want an Aston Martin, like one where you fit and it's comfortable, you know what I mean? Like go, go get yourself a brand new one. He even said, even for the first time ever in, since that car's been there, which has been there for a long time, has said something about him driving something he would enjoy more. He's never ever mentioned that.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  He's getting more into cars, I guess, it seems like it's creeping.

• 1:05:02Matt Farah?

  Well, I think he, I think he really doesn't want to drive stick. I think he just, I think that is a problem for him. He just doesn't want to. And I think he has to take his shoes off to drive it, just like I do. But if it comes back out here with a fresh service.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:18Matt Farah?

  We should, we should take it somewhere. Wasn't, somebody was going to do a 2000's rally. Was it Temerian? Was it DWA? Was he going to do it?

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they realized their, whatever their current one is called. It's like it stops at 99 or 2000, which is why I can't go on it with my car. So they're going to do a 2000's rally, I think, yeah.

• 1:05:41Matt Farah?

  That could be, we could do that.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  The problem, you, you, the trunk is so small. This car, I was actually thinking, because I, you know, I, I, we had one here that had no backseat in it. The front seats go like three inches further back if you don't have the backseat. And I was like, it was so, it was so much more comfortable than mine.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Do rear seat delete?

• 1:06:09Matt Farah?

  And I actually asked the guy, I said, hey, when you take the rear seat out, can you just not put it back in? Is there, is it finished under there? He said, I'll send you a photo. I'm, I'm not sure to do, to do a rear seat delete if there, if it, because I've seen it, it's a, it's a parcel shelf. I'm not sure if the seat itself goes on the shelf or if it's like a different thing you have to buy. I don't want it to look all shitty.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Right. Maybe at worst case, you could get some sort of plate made that's got leather that's similar color or something like that. So that it would just look like a nice shelf.

• 1:06:41Matt Farah?

  He would take a photo when he takes the seat.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Great, that's a good idea.

• 1:06:44Matt Farah?

  You can get more legroom out of it. I don't need the fucking seat. Who cares about the seat?

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  No one's going to sit back there.

• 1:06:48Matt Farah?

  I'll wrap it in plastic, stick it downstairs and see you never. Not going to sell the car. So anyway, maybe that'll come back, maybe we'll do something with it.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:06:57Matt Farah?

  Got to take your, you don't have to take your shoes off probably. You're probably fine, yeah.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  I'm a wide though, so.

• 1:07:01Matt Farah?

  Well, but you like to wear, you wear narrow shoes. Like you're wide, but you wear, yeah, like if you wear the like Sambas or something.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:10Matt Farah?

  You'd probably, you'd probably be fine. I'm fucked.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  It's funny, well, I mean, if I wear those now, I can't stand in them very, very long.

• 1:07:16Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  So it's like half an hour of standing and then eight hours of driving, sure.

• 1:07:20Matt Farah?

  Totally, totally. So anyway, them's the news. Yeah, anything else on the list? Nope, that's it. Let's see what's on their fucking list. Over at patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast, it's how you support your favorite car podcast. It's also, also where I can't pronounce words. It's also where you ask questions for the live show and then subsequently watch the live show. It's also where you get the show early, where you can get extra show every month and where you get the show without ads, both on the Youtubes and on the podcast streams. And of course, it's where you get early and sometimes exclusive access to collabs that we do with different brands and things like that.

• 1:08:05Matt Farah?

  We have a Tactile Turn pen collab coming up. That's going to go to the patrons first. We also are working on the Canyon 2 and other watch project. Yay watches. Uh, let's see what they have to say. Oh, wow, diving in hard. She put her Volvo on my pole like a star. I could never believe that Polestar was the name they came up with. I was like, you guys don't think about strippers?

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  They do, but they probably just called it something else there.

• 1:08:35Matt Farah?

  You just didn't think of strippers, huh? Uh, do you remember, excuse me?

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  Oh, did you see the Polestar building across the street from 248, by the way? There was a 24, there was a Polestar dealership like down the street. And I was like, oh, what are they doing with that? And he said, man, it was weird. They came over on like a Friday and they said, by the way, we're closing because we're not allowed to sell cars anymore. And it's just, the building has been shut and dark since that announcement.

• 1:08:58Matt Farah?

  Were there cars in there?

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  There's two cars in front. Yeah. And but they literally were like there for a while and they went, yeah, we don't know what to do now and it's done.

• 1:09:06Matt Farah?

  Doug from 248, we were staying on outside watching the cruise and a Polestar 2 drove by. And he was like, oh my God, a Polestar 2. Like he reacted to that like I would react to seeing like a Renault Clio V6 driving down the fucking road. And meanwhile, there's like, these things are leasing for fucking $299 out here in California. Like they're all over the place. So it was really, you know, no Teslas, no Rivians, no Polestars, tons of Hummer EVs.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:09:36Matt Farah?

  And lots of like Ford Lightning EV trucks and the Equinox EVs, Blazer EVs, stuff like that. Okay, anyway, she put her Volvo on my pole like a star. Do you recommend doing, wait, what do you recommend doing differently for regular maintenance for a car with 200,000 plus miles? If all your cars magically had 200K miles tomorrow, what, what would you keep or sell? Wait, wait, wait.

• 1:10:06Matt Farah?

  Okay, hang on. What would I do differently for maintenance for the car at 200K miles? I would use like high mileage blended stuff, but other than that, you cannot do better than just adhering to the factory maintenance schedule pretty rigidly.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, because the system is the same, like the, you know, the moving parts need lubrication. It needs to stay cool enough and it needs gasoline and like, you know, the belt life. But if you could do those services, especially like the 100,000 mile services every 100,000 miles, unless there's some sort of breakdown of those hard materials like pistons or something, stuff just should just keep going, especially in this person's case, it's an NB Miata.

• 1:10:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  So just keep changing the oil and go to high mileage, I guess, if you need to, but otherwise should be fine.

• 1:10:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it, that's always my recommendation, just the, whatever the factory recommended is, do that or service it once a year, whichever is more frequent. Right? Jared says, oh, enjoyed the Detroit show. I'm glad you came out, Jared. Thank you. Ken, okay, wait. Can you say more about perceived differences you noticed about car culture and car choices in Detroit versus LA? You guys don't have corners, dude. Like, there's no corners in Detroit. You don't have any windy roads.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  Here, sports cars are meant for windy roads. There, sports cars are meant for primarily drag racing.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't see as many sports focused cars. I didn't see that many Japanese or

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  German cars. I mean, I think I saw four M3s, like all, the whole trip. There were just far fewer cars that were aimed at like, I would say, twisty enthusiasts and track driving versus Charger, loud Mustang, stuff like that.

• 1:11:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that and your seasons. You know, people make car choices for four seasons here in LA, whereas in Detroit, a lot of those cars that we saw get put away for the winter and kind of rightly so. Like Zach said earlier, sporty SUVs are really a thing that we have here a little more than Detroit. Because it's really more like, why would you have a sporty SUV? You don't need to drive in the corners ever. Whereas if someone lives up a mountain here, they might want that sporty SUV. Big Beautiful Zach Attack Power Hour says, with the popularity of the

• 1:12:36Matt Farah?

  Maverick and the interest of the slate truck, do we think Ram could bring back the Dakota and have any success with it? A small Ram? I mean...

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  Probably. I mean, they just, they just announced the Dodge Super B, so like, they will keep using all the IP they have, no matter how, in my opinion, like, out of relevance it seems. So sure, bring back the Dakota.

• 1:13:02Matt Farah?

  Does it fit a Hellcat, most importantly? If it fits a Hellcat, then it's a green light.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Can they make a Hellcat version? Sure. But yeah, I mean, small trucks with Maverick success, I mean, I'm sure they're paying attention to it.

• 1:13:14Matt Farah?

  Those slate guys came by, we were sitting there, just, and just, just kept saying, $24,999. And so I just said back like, "Sounds like a Maverick with 4,000 miles."

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  I was like, "How much for headlights?" And he was like, "They're included." I'm like, "Your team does not understand sarcasm, but that's okay."

• 1:13:32Matt Farah?

  A-H-Y-D. Wow, a lot of sexual innuendos this week. Long weekend, guys? How long until programmers slash tuners take EVs with fake engine sounds and figure out a way to give them a fake two-step and fake pop-bang burble tunes? I, I think there's limited motivation in most tuners to do things like that. The tuners that I know are really focused on performance more than anything.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Matt Farah?

  Now, I've seen, there was a guy, I haven't seen it in a very long time, it really didn't take off. Remember, remember during COVID, the guy who would come to the car meet in the Tesla Model 3 that had speakers that made it idle like a fucking pro touring car?

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:14:22Matt Farah?

  That was stupid.

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's, and you would need, for all these EVs, you would have to, I think, add speakers that project outward to make the burble tune audible. Like, you know, the quiet hum, weird, spacey sound, I don't think it's that loud where your burble, your burble tune would really have the effect that you want it to have.

• 1:14:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  So it's just too much hardware to add and no one would really care. Someone will do it, but very few.

• 1:14:45Matt Farah?

  Sure. Toblerone Malone says, during the RM auction this weekend, I noticed some of the lots, they would say that, "Please note, due to California emissions, this vehicle must be sold to a dealer or out-of-state resident. Even if the car was originally a US market car, like the 2008 Ferrari Scuderia, which was originally sold out of Ferrari Beverly Hills, why would this be?" The only reason I could think of is that the car has actually, has a modified exhaust on it. In the case of the, of specifically a Ferrari

• 1:15:25Matt Farah?

  Scuderia, Ferrari 430s did have a problem cracking headers. And a lot of people that cracked headers got Cook's replacement headers, which are a much better quality header than what Ferrari was selling. Having said that, they are not carb EO headers. So it is, it is a possibility that this car has a modify, has had Cook's headers on it. Also...

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  It also looks like the stock manifold has a cat maybe built into it. I see an O2 sensor on it.

• 1:16:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  So to your point...

• 1:16:06Matt Farah?

  It may not have cats. Yeah, it may not have cats. And if it, if it's, if it was sold in California, but it's since been out of state and been modified, it would have to be brought back to stock to, to go back to California. That's my best guess. It would be, well, yes, RM would take a modified car. Yeah, they would. That's the best, that's, that's my best guess. I mean, it's, it seems odd that, that maybe a modified car is...

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  And they probably also state that because they realize if they sell the modified car and then someone has trouble registering it, they go, "Hey, I didn't know." And so RM's like, they, they're protecting themselves and just getting ahead of that.

• 1:16:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I think at a Pebble Beach auction, that's not going to really deter anybody. Uli Kongles Autobahn, what is the protocol at Dream Cruise for how close you follow the car in front of you? And how do you keep from getting rear-ended in the GT? Well, the good thing about the GT is it's very visible. There were a lot,

• 1:17:15Matt Farah?

  from what I gather, there are less rear endings than you'd think, even, even though, I mean, the protocol, it's, it's just driving in traffic, man.

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:25Matt Farah?

  You know, so it's not, there's nothing, nothing that weird about it.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  I think the only people that have to worry are the really lifted trucks, if there's something really low in front of them, they forget about. Or if you're trying to do a brake stand and you hook up and like, we saw a couple people like lunge forward and then have to get on the brakes, so.

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's like, it's a little shady like that. And actually, during the, the dream, the official Dream Cruise on Saturday, we didn't drive the GT at all. It sat there.

• 1:17:55Matt Farah?

  We drove it when, earlier in the week, when you could actually like, drive it. And then it was great. Matt's cats are my Roman Empire. Not sure I understand the metaphor.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  I don't either, but hopefully the good part of the Roman Empire, not the end where it crumbles.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  The Nero part. Thoughts on the double front-wheel motorcycles that allow leaning but stand upright like a trike? I rode the Piaggio MP3, which is that. And it's very dorky, but very fun to ride. It rides like a, like a normal, you know, fast scooter. It is very stable in a straight line. And then when you come to a stop, you can press a button that locks it upright, so you don't have to necessarily put your feet down and hold the bike stable at a light. And also, you don't need a kickstand. You just park

• 1:18:51Matt Farah?

  it and it just stands upright. I really enjoyed riding it, although I did feel very dorky.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does look...

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  It's not anywhere near as dorky as like, what's the, the Polaris, what, the Can-Am? The Can-Am thing? It's like a snowmobile with like car wheels on the front of it?

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, it's much wider. The track is much wider. It's got that Pontiac wide track happening.

• 1:19:17Matt Farah?

  11 Mile Down, did we run into any automotive celebrities at Dream Cruise? We saw Jack Holmes from Savage Geese.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true. He came to hang out.

• 1:19:27Matt Farah?

  We saw Garrett, Garrett from American Muscle HD.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, Garrett Reid shout out. That's true.

• 1:19:33Matt Farah?

  I think I saw one of the Roadkill guys driving one of the Roadkill cars, cruising in it at one point.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  I was bummed. I didn't realize that, because I don't look at schedules, because I'm an idiot, that Roadkill Nights is the weekend before. I was, I thought it was going to be all bunched up together. We get to see all that stuff. So that's something I wish we would have seen.

• 1:19:53Matt Farah?

  No, oh, well, not automotive celebrities, but we had fucking dinner at Big Nino's Restaurant, Bella Piatti, and, and we meet, we met White Boy Rick and Flo Rida, which is extremely random. And White Boy Rick was like, "This guy's why I went to prison." If you don't know who White Boy Rick is, look up the documentary.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, and to clarify that, it's because he got to see Big Nino's Ferrari when he was, when Rick was a kid, which inspired him to want to get money to have a Ferrari, but he went about it the wrong way. So that's, yeah.

• 1:20:29Matt Farah?

  Such a good dinner at Bella Piatti. The wine was so good, the food was so good. Christian in Chicago, if a used Taycan with Active Ride came up for sale at 60 to 70K, is that your new daily replacement? I would love a Taycan with Active Ride. What model years? I'm going to have to figure out what model year wagon had act, has Active Ride and you're going to have to get that and see if there's a 4S, because I don't need a GTS. But we're probably, we're, we're, we're going to end up probably getting this, getting a Cayenne to tow this fucking trailer at some point. That'll be the new daily. Chappy says, uh...

• 1:21:17Matt Farah?

  Okay, the mean, I'm reading this question from someone else. How do you think Gordon Murray feels about telling everyone the T50 is the new modern F1? For it seems a bunch of investors to come in, we don't care about that, just build us an actual modern F1. Undoubtedly great revenue, though. Well, um.

• 1:21:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I, I.

• 1:21:44Matt Farah?

  Look, I think, I think.

• 1:21:48Matt Farah?

  Well, it's hard to take, it's hard to not take money to build cars, you know, like, you do a car, you do another car, someone comes up with a bunch of money and goes, we want you to build this next car. Well, I build cars, that's what I do, like, you know, I, I don't, um.

• 1:22:08Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't, did Gordon Murray make promise that he would not build any more cars or build other cars that are inspired by the F1, like, I don't know if he ever said that.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  I'm more curious what McLaren thinks or feels about, you know, they launched, Gordon Murray launched that, uh, what's it called on this trip?

• 1:22:25Matt Farah?

  S1.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, the S1.

• 1:22:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  And a couple of small changes from the McLaren F1, but man, if you look at the profile, like, the side strakes, everything.

• 1:22:33Matt Farah?

  Looks great, doesn't it?

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  It looks amazing.

• 1:22:35Matt Farah?

  It's pretty much, it's one of the few things from Car Week where I was like, yep, that, you know?

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's incredible.

• 1:22:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  Um, but I don't know who has the IP for that design, so maybe he does, and that doesn't matter.

• 1:22:45Matt Farah?

  Um, I think it looks great, and I mean, look, I'm never gonna be able to afford one anyway, so fuck do I care, but.

• 1:22:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  I think it is a rare car where I look at it and I go, it came from the right person, company, it looks like, you know, a legend, but it stands on its own, I'm glad it exists, I think, because there were some other cars launched at Car Week this week, Monterey, that I'm disappointed exists.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  There's a number of them.

• 1:23:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And it doesn't have, you know, the T50 still has the fan, this S1 does not have the fan.

• 1:23:21Matt Farah?

  And there are definitely, you know, a good number of people that, that will be all about their T50s, and many of them will also get the fucking S1. You know, once you're, once you're in the Gordon Murray ecosystem, I think you're kind of in it for life, so it's probably the same fucking, it's the same 65 people or whatever, they're just getting all this shit.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Maybe because the T50 is like, how much are those now, $2 million, but the S1's gonna be like, they're five now.

• 1:23:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the numbers, but the numbers don't even matter, like, it's, it's all stupid, like, these are being bought by people that, this is like, for you, this is like you or even I going to a fucking store and going, well, you know, the shirt was $75 and now it's $90, it's not, that's not, that's the scale that they're playing at versus we are.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:24:11Matt Farah?

  Like, literally.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:24:12Matt Farah?

  I did this math out, with the fucking Aston Martin, actually, of Ralph giving my dad the Aston Martin, the value of that car then and the value of Ralph's net worth was like, was like me giving you a T-shirt. It was fucking crazy, the scale, when you actually think about it.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  Nuts.

• 1:24:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Do that, everybody should be doing that math, so you see how ridiculous all of this is.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Well, and we can go to the Luce thing, there was a question about it, but like, that is that math as well.

• 1:24:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The awful Shovel Retirement Club says, does the theater of driving the Ford GT get tired after, tiring after a while, or does the overall experience outweigh any of the negatives?

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  I drove it two hours, so for me, I didn't get tired of it, but.

• 1:25:01Matt Farah?

  No, I could drive it all day. I mean, I could easily drive it all day, I don't think, you know, what's funny about that car is there's not that much, quote, theater. It has a look, certainly, but to, to drive it, I mean, honestly, it's like driving a faster, like, a faster Lotus Amira with better inputs or something, like, it's not any harder to drive than an Amira or a Cayman or any of those, you know, mid-engine, not even supercars, just regular sports cars.

• 1:25:35Matt Farah?

  It has a nice ride, the brakes are easy, the air conditioning works great, the sound's starting, I mean, other than there being not a lot of places to put stuff, the act of driving that car would not get old.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's got all the right parts.

• 1:25:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Purity Ring Sangway.

• 1:25:54Matt Farah?

  Uh, would you ever do guests that wouldn't do well for YouTube numbers for the Patreon shows? I, I guess.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  It would be up to the guest, I think, because, you know, guests usually want to promote their work to as many people as possible.

• 1:26:06Matt Farah?

  Correct. Farah truly is the spiritual successor of the 787B. If you could delete one car from existence that isn't a Tesla, what would it be?

• 1:26:22Matt Farah?

  Delete from existence?

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  It's a real butterfly effect question, right? And then what would it, what would it remove? Uh, oh, uh, one of the several cars that were driven by, let's call them German royalty in the 1940s, you know, because in case YouTube, like, flags us, that still show up at car shows now and then.

• 1:26:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Or in someone's collection, they're like, well, it was an important car, like, is it for what?

• 1:26:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, from where and from when?

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:53Matt Farah?

  Exactly, okay. One car from existence that isn't a Tesla.

• 1:27:04Matt Farah?

  There's so few cars that I'm like personally offended by, like, you know, how many cars have like made a political statement or something that is, has actually offended me?

• 1:27:17Matt Farah?

  I would say, hmm, wow, that's actually a much harder question.

• 1:27:24Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  What was that weird car? It looked like a cartoonish Ford Probe but on a truck frame, had huge tires.

• 1:27:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, the Yowabian Puma?

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:27:36Matt Farah?

  That's too easy, that's too easy, how about?

• 1:27:42Matt Farah?

  How about, okay, how about like the Lincoln, like, how about just like the one car, how about just like the giant, personal luxury coupes of the late 70s that American cars were doing, where there was like 35 feet long with an enormous engine that made no power, burns a ton of gas, and just took up space while holding very few people?

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:28:10Matt Farah?

  Like, just like, the, after the Bowtail Riviera.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  Late 70s.

• 1:28:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  Like in Cadillac, whatever, Buick, yeah.

• 1:28:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, man, all right, no, no, here's one, I just saw, I just thought of it, I just thought of it right now. And I, I wish I had a photo of it, but I was driving the GT at the time and couldn't get my phone, there, a few years ago, it was very popular to, not very popular, but popular enough to, to buy these things that were like 50s Corvette bodies on C5 chassis and C6 chassis, and or sometimes like Bel Air-ish bodies on these C5, and the proportions are all shitty and stupid, and they look really, really corny and terrible, and now this company has recently done it with this Broncos called Vintage, which anyone should be hugely embarrassed to be seen driving one of these fucking things.

• 1:29:00Matt Farah?

  At Car, or at Woodward, they've now done one with, um, the Chevelle GTO Buick Ford, Oldsmobile, um, the 69 to 71 shape, was that a B-body, what body is that?

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  I think it's a B-body.

• 1:29:17Matt Farah?

  Is it, I think it's the Chevelle, the GTO. It looks like it's on a 2013 and up Camaro, and you've got a, there was a GTO front end, a 442 front end, and the proportions were so terrible, the sills were all so high, you know, because it was like a Camaro, it wasn't like, it wasn't, and it just, the proportions were all stupid and terrible and weird, and I saw a group of like eight of them together at Dream Cruise, I don't know what they're called.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Sorry, the Chevelle and Skylark were eight, were A-bodies.

• 1:29:50Matt Farah?

  A-bodies, sorry.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, if it, if it makes the, if it fits perfectly.

• 1:29:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  I get it, although the interior is usually a giveaway and it looks strange, but when they start stretching body panels, that ruins it.

• 1:30:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Johnny E.V. Gerberman, if the first Luce went for 40 million, how much of that is clean versus wash money? It's not.

• 1:30:13Matt Farah?

  To call it outright money laundering is not, it's not what it is. It's this charity shit. So if the MSRP of the vehicle and plus the options, whatever, like, let's call it 750,000. You pay that, you pay the buyer's premium, like, just for math reasons, like, let's just call that a million bucks, right? Everything over that, it goes to charity, is deductible for tax reasons.

• 1:30:42Matt Farah?

  Furthermore, by overpaying for this very dumb car, you are almost certainly getting the immediate keys to the kingdom at Ferrari.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Especially this much.

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And to someone who has a billion dollars or multiple billion dollars, but isn't yet in the cool kids' club, this is the fastest, most efficient way to that club.

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Matt Farah?

  That's what this is.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  So, and I found an article, the gentleman who bought this is a, like, optometrist inventor from the 70s, who then invested his money into a lot of, like, Apple and things early, like, so he's worth four billion dollars. And the charity is Ferrari's 501(c), like, it's a public charity, they're a public company now, so, like, the books will be open, you can see how much of that money goes to what. But just as a similar example, the first C8 Z06 was sold for 3.6 million at an auction that benefited veterans. So, like, we see this with every first, the model, you know, chassis one of anything. They'd always get sold at a charity, Barrett-Jackson something for a price.

• 1:31:47Matt Farah?

  Barrett-Jackson though, constantly.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  They do it all the time.

• 1:31:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  And that's how that works.

• 1:31:51Matt Farah?

  It's not, yeah, it's not unusual at all. The fact that it happened at Pebble Beach and with a car with a starting MSRP of 600,000, it makes it news, but the scale of it is not that different than buying the first C8 for a million dollars or something like that. And, and unlike, unlike any other company, buying this is almost certainly going to get you access to what you really want.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:20Matt Farah?

  Which is not this. Uh, Beastie Boys of Turin. You think there's any market for a rally timer-style desk clock as a collab with Notice? Uh, it's probably too niche to really be successful. I think it would be neat, but I don't think it would be commercially successful. Flock Tua.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  That one's great.

• 1:32:44Matt Farah?

  I haven't heard Tua in about six months. I was wondering when I would get to hear it again. Thoughts on Relax Watch Shop products? Do you view parody products differently than knockoffs? Have you ever seen these things? It's, instead of, it's fake Rolexes, okay, but they're calling them parodies, and instead of scroll down, so instead of Rolex, it says Relax, it's not what you think.

• 1:33:16Matt Farah?

  But in...

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  Grumpy Master, instead of Dive Master?

• 1:33:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, like, I mean, I see what you're doing here, guys. You know, so, it's, I, I, I think what the person who buys this watch is doing is trying to have their cake and eat it too. They're trying to, they're trying to wear a fake Rolex for people that won't notice, and they're trying to have a backstop so that they have something to say if they get called out.

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  That's a pretty good point. I mean, it does look, you know, very, very, very, very, very similar.

• 1:33:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, so, that's my opinion of this. I think, for what they're charging for these things, which are 300 to 500 dollars, you can get a real watch. You can get a fucking real watch that'll last you the rest of your life, that'll be from a respected company, that will be made to a, to a high standard.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  I do like this because it's not trying to be a Rolex, it just says, who cares, I'm already late, and the numbers are all jumbled at the bottom of the watch.

• 1:34:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, it's cool, but it's a copy of someone's art piece.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  Oh, it is?

• 1:34:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, someone, someone made this art piece, and this is a copy of the art piece. So, this isn't their original design either. But, but, anyway, yeah. Oh, boy.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Oh, great.

• 1:34:44Matt Farah?

  What is that?

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  Probably surgeon calling.

• 1:34:46Matt Farah?

  Okay, yeah, pick it up, I'll answer the next question and... Uh, Lightning McDragqueen, yes. I hope there really is. If there is a cars drag show, I will come to you. I will see that, and I'll bring a bunch of children. You've mentioned that some best, some of the best parts of Car Week are free, watching the cars drive around on public roads, seeing million-dollar cars at coffee shops, et cetera. Not quite the Woodward experience, but similar. Uh, is there an East Coast equivalent to the Car Week Dream Cruise experience, and how could a community curate a make-agnostic car gathering where people are tame enough to avoid being shut down?

• 1:35:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, second part first, the East Coast equivalent to Car Week is the Audrain Motor Week in Newport, happens in August. It's a small version of Monterey Car Week, but it's a beautiful setting. The events are accessible, they're reasonably priced, the ones that cost money, there's a lot of stuff that's, that's open to the public, and that's really fun. Not quite Dream Cruise, but, but there is, that's a really good event, the Audrain.

• 1:36:00Matt Farah?

  And, and you can do it for very, very cheap. How could a community curate it? I, I don't know, dude.

• 1:36:10Matt Farah?

  When you have old, classic cars, that's when you don't have rowdiness. It's when you, it's when you have hot rods or tuners and young people, drivers, and rowdiness.

• 1:36:25Matt Farah?

  When you have classic cars, people, for the most part, aren't really doing that kind of shit. But if you are in the East Coast and you, and you want a version of Car Week that's not quite the scale, but does have some, a lot of the elements that make Car Week great, particularly the elements that made Car Week great before it became all about, like, hypercars and shit. So, that's a really, really good, good weekend.

• 1:36:53Matt Farah?

  Doug Demuro's Burner says, Doug doesn't have a burner, unless I don't know about it. I, I, I text him on the summer, and he gets back to me. Do you think car guys care less about what they daily drive today than they did 10 or 20 years ago? Many car guys I know are daily driving something they don't care about, and most don't even have a second car.

• 1:37:21Matt Farah?

  Well, I, I am unable to project what car guys daily drive. Uh, I could tell you that the people I interact with, my, my close circle, many of whom are gearheads, care very much about what they daily drive. Uh, one or two of them have, like, sort of beater-type vehicles, like, maybe they daily drive a pickup truck, or they daily drive, you know, something more utilitarian for a tool for a job. But almost everyone I know puts thought into the car that they're driving every day.

• 1:38:07Matt Farah?

  I don't know, maybe where you live, they're not as enthusiastic about cars, because the driving really sucks, maybe the traffic's horrible, or the weather's horrible, or maybe their financial situation doesn't allow for them to have a fun, a second car or a fun car.

• 1:38:28Matt Farah?

  But where I live, people I hang out with, I would definitely say that people do care about their car. They talk to me about it often, they're asking about what, what they should get next, and even if it's not a particularly special car, they've, they've put thought into it, for sure. I have to go to Zach's seat to go to the next question.

• 1:38:56Matt Farah?

  I am, oh boy, have we been broadcasting the screen this whole time? Oh, boy, if that's true. Uh, uh, uh, uh, we don't need to show that. Let's see, let's look at the next ones. Okay, the toking tire. Have I ever tried a Mercedes SLC 43? Seems like a great hardtop convertible option. Not a lot of content out there. I'm pretty sure they just turned the SLC 43 into, oh, wait, did the SLK become the SLC? Yeah, if so, meh. Well, the Mercedes

• 1:39:37Matt Farah?

  that I really like is the C53 Cabriolet. That is an excellent vehicle that really, really surprised me. Russian Escort EX, Russian Ford Escort EXP Tape. There we go. As a fellow entrepreneur, how do you think universal healthcare in the US would impact entrepreneurship? I think a lot of potential entrepreneurs don't want to quit their jobs because they'd lose affordable health insurance for themselves and their families, but if we had universal healthcare, I think entrepreneurship and creativity would skyrocket because few would feel chained

• 1:40:19Matt Farah?

  to their jobs. I think that's true. I don't, as an employer, I provide healthcare for my employees because I'm a good person, but I can't get the best healthcare for my company. I'm not, I'm not big enough to get the best healthcare for myself or my employees. And I think if we had universal healthcare, my employees and myself would get a higher quality of coverage than they're getting now for ultimately less money. It may come out of their taxes instead of their paycheck, but it wouldn't make it, if you, you know, it wouldn't make a difference. It would be where it comes out of. But I had so many

• 1:40:58Matt Farah?

  opportunities when I was younger to explore this business, partially because, you know, I wasn't chained to a job for that type of healthcare. And I think other people could be the same way. My, my wife, when she was working in the tech industry, had amazing healthcare through those tech companies. It was one of the only good parts of those companies, honestly. A lot of the rest of it was pretty rough, but the healthcare was amazing. And when she left that industry involuntarily, that good healthcare went

• 1:41:43Matt Farah?

  with it. And so, yeah, I mean, I, I, I think a lot of people would, would start their own businesses if they weren't chained to the healthcare that could only be really provided by, you know, their employers. Yeah. All right. The new Honda Prolapse EV said, I had a gorgeous R129 Mercedes SL500 come in the shop. I popped the hood and it was the six. It was a 320 that had been upbadged. Can you please explain this upbadging thing? I mean, dude, it's not, there's nothing to explain. It's, people

• 1:42:28Matt Farah?

  are trying to show off that they have a thing they don't have. It's been going on a very long time. I mean, there's, there isn't any possible way that all of the Pontiac GTOs that I saw at car, or at Dream Cruise, were actual real GTOs. You know, we've all seen, I saw multiple fake M3s where you had the front bumper and you had, you know, the badge on the back. As we say many, many times, the only people that care about the badge on the back know that it's fake. If you don't care about cars, what do you care if the

• 1:43:08Matt Farah?

  person's driving an M or not, or a 500, or a 320? As long as you've, as long as you've, wait, hang on, Zach, let's get you back in the game here. As, you know, upbadging is one of the dumbest things you could do. We also at Dream Cruise saw, as I see around a lot, a lot of redundant badging. Extra badges that just tell me your car is stock. If you have a C6 Corvette with a badge on the side that says LS3, cool, that's what it came with. Still got it, huh?

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  See, a lot of Hellcats with Hellcat wraps on the side, like the whole door is a Hellcat. Like, we all know, because there's a badge next to it, but...

• 1:43:48Matt Farah?

  Yes. Zach's Sandwich-Based Humor. Car Week Musings. Is a one-of-one car worthy of a press release? Good point? No. Next question. It is not. A person's custom build is not, a commission is not worthy of a press release.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  No, but it serves as an advertisement for the company that did it.

• 1:44:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Tycon Care of Business. What EV should I replace my 2020 Tycon 4S with? I've had 75,000 trouble-free miles. Should I drive it till it breaks or get out now? I think you could get into a, probably a brand-new Tycon right now with cash on the hood. They're having trouble moving them.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:44:35Matt Farah?

  I think you get into a Tycon or a Macan. Porsche is having trouble making sales right now. You could probably get into an electric Macan or a Tycon right now with a nice, long warranty and have a, have a better product. And probably even, maybe even get something decent on your trade-in.

• 1:44:49Speaker 01

  I would definitely do that because the 2020s were known for having problems, right? As a Tycon, I mean, they've had a good one, or they got some things repaired. So I would call that a win and then move on to something that's got more modern battery tech and everything else.

• 1:45:04Matt Farah?

  All right, last one. MR2 Midship Boogaloo. Driving Angeles Crest Highway up to Newcombs has been my favorite spot for a spirited drive, but with all the mustard-cutting drama and attention, I find myself super hesitant to go back. I know that if any of the cars I'm seeing in videos behaving badly hit my MR2, I'm most likely not coming home. Am I being too paranoid? Yes. Do I need to scout out a less popular route? If it makes you feel better? Also, yes. What is the strategy for folks with older, lighter sports cars with less modern safety equipment in the canyons?

• 1:45:45Matt Farah?

  First off, you gotta understand the way social media and sensationalism works. Getting head-oned in the canyons is not a common thing that happens. It's like not.

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Once every couple of months, it happens to somebody, I would say.

• 1:46:00Matt Farah?

  Like, once every couple of months, but like, it's not real, that's, there's a lot of cars, we did this before with the crash statistics.

• 1:46:07Speaker 01

  That's true, we did.

• 1:46:08Matt Farah?

  If you're driving this car around the street, like, you're more likely to crash somewhere else than you are up there.

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it depends on day of the week. I think a lot more accidents happen in the canyons on the weekends, because there's just more cars, there's more tourists, there's people driving like idiots.

• 1:46:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, Zach and I, you could go up to Angeles Crest when Zach and I go to Angeles Crest, early morning on a weekday, and there's nobody. Nobody. Like, it's, if I, you gotta choose. You go up there at the time everybody else goes up there, and your risk for having an accident goes up. You go up there when it's, you know, this is common sense shit. You go up there early in the morning by yourself, and there's no other people, like, that's your road, man, for hours. So, I mean...

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  I also would say, you know, we tend to go up to Good Vibes earlier. So if you go on the early side, that's on, that is beneficial. And when you go back down, if you take Upper Big instead of going all the way back down the two, I think just reducing the number of cars you come across is also a good strategy.

• 1:47:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We'll save the rest of the questions for next time. Oh, Cadillac Simron Burgundy. Detroit Culinary Review. Best thing you guys ate and drank while we were here?

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  Well, Bella Piata.

• 1:47:27Matt Farah?

  Bella Piata was fabulous. That was, that was like, but that's a very high-end restaurant. We also had the Chicken Shack, right?

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:37Matt Farah?

  The roasted chicken?

• 1:47:38Speaker 01

  Not really my jam for fried chicken.

• 1:47:40Matt Farah?

  The chicken was okay. The potatoes were fire. Those were really good.

• 1:47:44Speaker 01

  What do we have for dinner? Oh, we had that.

• 1:47:47Matt Farah?

  We had that, we had that Middle Eastern spot that was great.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  Middle Eats.

• 1:47:51Matt Farah?

  The, the, uh, Middle Eats? No, the first one, the place that we had, the Crispy Schwarmah.

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  Where was that?

• 1:47:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, you weren't there. No, you were there. Weren't you?

• 1:48:02Speaker 01

  After the camera store?

• 1:48:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  That was Middle Eats.

• 1:48:06Matt Farah?

  Yes, Middle Eats, yeah. No, we went to another Middle Eastern place when we landed.

• 1:48:13Speaker 01

  Oh, we got kebabs, right?

• 1:48:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't know. We had, the Middle Eastern food we had was super good.

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  It's great there, because there's a lot of Middle Eastern people in Michigan.

• 1:48:21Matt Farah?

  That was super good. We'll save the rest of your questions, but thank you guys for playing along today. We appreciate it. We're gonna go tomorrow. We got our live show at the Irvine Improv.

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  Irvine Improv.

• 1:48:31Matt Farah?

  8:00 PM for anyone who wanted to grab last-minute tickets. We got Smith and Sniff coming on the show. It's gonna be amazing. And we'll be back in studio after that. Thanks, everybody. See you later.