The Ancient Healing Method of Grounding & How It Reduces Chronic Inflammation w/ Clint Ober EP 1269

Today's guest is Clinton Ober, the CEO of Earth FX Inc., a research and development company located in Palm Springs, California. He first learned of grounding when installing Cable TV systems in Billings, Montana in the early 1960’s. A decade later, he formed Telecrafter Corporation and built it into the largest provider of cable installation services in the United States. This company specialized in proper grounding of cable installations for safety and TV signal stability. Over the past twenty years, he has supported a host of research studies (Earthing Institute) that collectively demonstrate that grounding alone reduces inflammation and promotes normal functioning of all body systems. In this episode, you will learn:What happens when you ground yourself. How to equalize with the earth. How grounding can improve your overall health and range of motion. And much more! For more, go to lewishowes.com/1269Casey Means on How to Recognize and Fix Unhealthy Habits: Ep. 1252Dr. Joe Dispenza on Healing the Body and Transforming the Mind: Ep. 826Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds with David Goggins: Ep. 715 Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Your body's conductive. Your body's electrical first, chemical second. So, everything in the body's electrical. Your brain, your muscles, your every cell, everything that takes place in your body is electric. Electrons moving around.

• 0:13Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  When you ground the earth, then your body is negative.

• 0:16Lewis Howes?

  When it's not on the ground, then what happens?

• 0:20Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now, let the class begin.

• 0:44Lewis Howes?

  And for people that are watching or listening, what is, in simple terms, what is grounding?

• 0:49Speaker 00

  First of all, grounding is an electrical term. So, earth ground is what we're talking about. The earth has a negative charge. Everything connected to the earth, trees, animals, plants, everything that lives on the earth has a negative surface charge. When you, as a person, stand barefoot on the earth, your body's conductive. Your body's electrical first, chemical second. So, everything in the body's electrical. Your brain, your muscles, your every cell, everything that takes place in your body is electric. Electrons moving around.

• 1:21Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 1:21Speaker 00

  When you ground the earth, then your body is negative.

• 1:25Lewis Howes?

  When your feet are barefoot on the ground, your body is negative?

• 1:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, your body absorbs, equalizes with the earth.

• 1:31Lewis Howes?

  When it's not on the ground, then what happens?

• 1:34Speaker 00

  Then you're, then you start depleting your free electrons. But anyhow, so grounding, did I answer the question well enough?

• 1:41Lewis Howes?

  I think so, yes.

• 1:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, just very simply, when you're standing barefoot on the earth, you are one and the same with the earth, electrically speaking.

• 1:47Lewis Howes?

  Gotcha.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  You're grounded.

• 1:48Lewis Howes?

  You're negative, right?

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're at earth potential. I intuitively ask myself, I wonder if there's any consequence to humans no longer being naturally grounded.

• 1:59Speaker 00

  That's not a question that anybody in the world would probably ask unless they had installed or been involved with installing millions of ground rods in the cable industry. Because any time you run a cable into the house, you have to drive a ground rod, cut the cable, put it in a ground block, and then so that if there's lightning or static or anything on the cable lines or an electrical event, then it goes to ground rather than goes into the house and blows up a TV. Wow. Or creates a fire in the home. So it's all about fire. So inflammation, inflame, fire, we'll get to that later. But anyhow, I didn't know, and most people are unaware, so just lifting my arm up like this will create static electricity if I'm not grounded.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  And we live in environments where we're not grounded. Sure. So anyhow, I found that in the bedroom especially, there was really high voltage just on my body, charges. Well, you know, you got a foam bed, static electricity from the foam, any polyester type, and the blankets are covering, so you pull your feet up like this and it looks like there's a lightning storm. Exactly. Okay, so I didn't, just my mind focused on this, and I said, and then when I, so when I did that, I went down to the hardware store, bought a roll of three-inch-wide metal duct tape, like you'd wrap around furnaces, and I laid it across the bed, connected a

• 3:28Speaker 00

  wire to it, threw it out the window, connected it to a ground rod, did the same thing with a meter. So I knew that when I laid on it, that I would be grounded, and I would hold the meter and confirm that. Well, the first night that I did that, I

• 3:49Speaker 00

  Woke up the next morning and the meter was laying down by my side. And I was like fifty-four, something like that, fifty-five. And I had, I was a cowboy. I had every kind of ache and pain you could think of, all the crazy stuff I did when I was young. I skied for over thirty years. I played tennis. I've done everything that you can imagine that you can injure yourself with. And I had all the injuries. So I had a lot of pain in my body. And so for me to go to sleep normally, I had to take Advil or something. And so, but anyhow, that night I just fell asleep. And the meter was down by my side.

• 4:32Speaker 00

  And I woke up in the morning and I said, I was kind of startled. I said, what in the world? There's something going on here. I couldn't figure out what it was. So did you take Advil that night or are you, you just? I was playing. I was just, just assuming that there was, I was just playing with the meter. And then I just fell asleep. I was laying there on the wire and testing myself and. You had a relaxed sleep? It was a? Yeah, I fell asleep and I woke up in the morning and the meter's beside me. And Norman, that's just a rare experience. Interesting. And that does, so I didn't really understand. I said, well, there's something here because I, you know, I fell asleep without having to take the Advil. And so I did that for a couple, three nights. And I said, wow, this, there is something here.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  And so I had a couple of friends that I acquaintances, older guys. And I said, you know, you guys got to try this. Nobody sleeps well. There's nobody sleeps well. And I said, you're going to try this. And I said, it's fun, you know, just do it. So they went along with me. And a couple of days later, one of the guys come over and he said, you think this could be helping my arthritis? And he said, well, my arthritis is way down. Wow. In his hands. I mean, he had severe arthritis. And I, I didn't think too much about it. And then I thought, wow, you know, my pain's way down. Mm-hmm. And I said, I don't know what's going on here. So back then, all I had was AOL and a.

• 5:55Speaker 00

  And there was not really, you had to go to Nexus Lexis data retrievable in order to try to search for data. Couldn't find anything, went down to University of Arizona and visited with a couple of people there.

• 6:09Lewis Howes?

  No one gave you the information?

• 6:10Speaker 00

  There's no information out there, there's nothing out there that says, "Ground your body to reduce pain," or "Grounding reduces," or "Grounding affects the body," except when you have cardiovascular, I mean, open-heart surgery, they have to ground the body to prevent static electricity from creating a cardio event.

• 6:28Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 6:29Speaker 00

  So it was just totally unknown. And then, other than that cable industry, I mean, in the telephone, cable, power, every industry is, it's about, you ground everything to maintain electrical stability and to prevent charge or to prevent fire. Okay. So that's where I, so I didn't know, I didn't know where to go. And I was just, you know, I had no background in biology, had a significant background in electrical. So, anyhow, I ended up, after a while, I got, I couldn't find, I couldn't make any progress. So I said, "Well,

• 7:10Speaker 00

  I'll go out to UCLA. Those guys know everything, you know. It's a big, big universe." So I went out there and I ended up connecting with the sleep lab. And I said, "Well, we need to do a study." I told them what I was doing. And anyhow, they said, "You mean to tell us that if we put a nail in the ground, tie a wire around it, and then tie that wire around somebody's toe or something, they're gonna sleep better?" I said, "Well, yeah." And they said, "No." He said, "You're nuts. Get out of here. You're nuts. You're crazy." And so anyhow, we joked around a little bit and carried on a conversation. But they knew nothing about electrical. Body's not electrical. They don't know the cause of pain. You can go to the medical libraries, whatever, look up the cause of pain, the

• 7:54Speaker 00

  cause of lupus, cause of MS, cause of all these, cause unknown. They treat the symptoms, but they do not know the cause. Or if they do know the cause, it's not in the literature. This was back twenty-some years ago. So anyhow, after that, a couple of the students that were there.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  They were intrigued a little bit, but because they needed to do PhDs and, you know, do their dissertations and so on. So anyhow, I talked to a couple of them and got them to help me design a study. Because everybody said, well, you've got to have more proof than what I had.

• 8:28Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  And I said, fine. So I ended up going up to Ventura, California. And they helped me write a study. And we said, then they told us we had to get 60 subjects. And then I had to design a mechanism to ground people for 30 days or whatever. And then I had to have it so half of them were grounded and half of them, so it looked as a blind study. And so then we had to go get the subjects. That was the hard part. So it was really hard to get anybody to do a study. So I ended up one day getting my hair cut and heard a couple of ladies talking about pain and can't sleep. I said, well, that's who I need, you know? So afterwards, I went to the lady who owned the salon and I said, you know, I'm doing

• 9:11Speaker 00

  a study and I need to find people who want to participate. And it's about pain and sleep. And she looked at me, she says, honey, how many people do you need? And so she started gathering up subjects. And then I went to a few of the other hair salons, beauty salons.

• 9:27Lewis Howes?

  And asking them.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  And asked them and they, and you know, they kind of all know each other. And so we ended up with 60 subjects that were not related, not knowing to each other. And so we, over a period of a month or two, we grounded, 30 of them were grounded, 30 of them were not grounded.

• 9:45Lewis Howes?

  But they were told they were all grounded.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Yes. Well, they didn't really know what was going on. And it was about, does this affect your pain and does this affect your sleep and so on? So anyhow, we did the study and we had significant results.

• 9:59Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 10:00Speaker 00

  The, it was an anecdotal study. It wasn't a, you know, gold standard, whatever, but it was enough information to provide to create interest. And so what happened, everybody slept better, everybody felt better, everybody had less pain. But more interesting was the ladies who had PMS issues, they didn't have the PMS issues when they were grounded. People who had TMJ, the TMJ started to disappear. And so there was a host of different.

• 10:30Speaker 00

  Issues. Was this everyone, even the ones that weren't grounded? No, this was the- The ones who were grounded? Yeah, there was about, there was like, yeah, there was, I mean, the study is, it's a published study, it's at the earthinginstitute.net. And so anyhow, yeah, there was a, there was a significant result, the majority, you know, like eighty percent of the people had improvements. Wow. Where the placebo group, maybe ten, twenty percent, you know, like a normal thing. Which I didn't know anything about any of this, I wasn't, I knew nothing about studies, I knew, but I learned everything along the way. So anyhow, after that study was done, we, we learned a couple of things. One of the first things we learned was, we thought

• 11:13Speaker 00

  it was all these electric fields and the static electricity was causing a problem. But in that study, one day, I was given two people to go out and install. I went to this one home and it was an elderly guy, maybe seventy-five, eighty, and he had just had a heart surgery, and he just looked terrible. And anyhow, I went into his bedroom, it was an adobe home, a brick floor, only one lamp in there, and it was across the room from the bed. The bed was metal framed on a brick floor, so there was no EMF, no static electricity, nothing to speak of. Uh-huh. And so I said, this is a waste of a pad, just really unfortunate, but can't do

• 11:57Speaker 00

  anything about it. So then that afternoon, I went to another person across town in Ventura, and she was like an eighty-year-old, I mean, a woman, but she had flaring arthritis in each wrist. She couldn't hold the meter, so I could do the test and make sure everything was working properly. So after I was talking to her son, who was kind of there making sure everything was okay, and carrying on the conversation with him, but she was sitting there, in order for me to do the measure, I put a patch on this hand that was connected to a ground, a patch over here that was connected to a meter, so I could measure and make sure she was grounded when she was on the pad, or the pad was working, and so on. And all

• 12:40Speaker 00

  of a sudden, she said, well, this, this, it's not working over here. This one's working, this one's not. I didn't know what she was talking about. And then all of a sudden, I realized that the grounded cord, she was getting, she was feeling something with the arthritis. And so I took and swapped the cords from the meter to- The ground cord, the ground rod, and then all of a sudden she said, okay, now it's working over here. And this is within five minutes. And I said, wow, there's something going on here. So I didn't really know. Like she felt less pain? Yeah, the pain, the hot burning pain was coming down. Interesting. The arthritic, that flaring. Vicodin type. Went down, wow. And this is only like five, 10 minutes. And so I thought, wow. So I got it all finished up and everything on the way home.

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  I stopped at the, you know, the medical supply house and bought some electrode patches because I was running low. And I went out and I gave them to a few people that I knew who had arthritis and bursitis or whatever problems. And I said, just take this and try it and call me tomorrow and tell me what, what you experienced. So over the next two days, they all called and two or three times I heard the word magic pain patch. Really? That it made pain just disappear in just minutes. And I thought, wow, this is really interesting. But the bottom line was when the study was done and they had brought in the final surveys

• 14:09Speaker 00

  of these two people, they both had same results. One had no static electricity, no EMF, nothing. This other lady had horrific EMF and horrific static because of all the stuff she had around her bed and so on. But they both had the same result. And I said, wait a minute, there's something amiss here. Then I began to put two and two together, then did a lot of testing, and then I realized it was just being connected to the earth. It was being grounded to the earth. It wasn't the environmental stressors. It was just being grounded to the earth. So what happens when you're grounded to the earth? Then you're at ground, you're at earth potential, meaning you equalize with the earth.

• 14:49Speaker 00

  The reason we ground everything to the earth is to prevent fire or to prevent an electrical event. Okay, at that time, the word inflammation was not in the English language. I mean, it was not, it was, this is before, you know, back in 2000, there were no papers on inflammation. The inflammation was not a word. So the word inflame is body means on fire. You know, the house is, you know, inflammation is on fire. House is on fire, body's on fire. But back then, it was just the pain. We didn't know what inflammation was. Right. Okay, so. So anyhow, everybody's pain came down.

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  And so I didn't know what to do. I didn't. So I ended up meeting anesthesiologist. He'd just retired and he was in San Diego. And he says, I'm interested in what you're doing. I don't believe there's anything to it, but I'd like to test it. And he said, I think you're wrong, but let's do a test. So we got to, we put together, I forget what it was, 10, 12 subjects. And we measured cortisol, saliva cortisol, every four hours for 24 hours. So you could have a profile. And, and we did this on each subject, grounded them, heart rate variability, all that kind of stuff.

• 16:12Speaker 00

  And then grounded them for a month with just a little 12 inch by 24 inch ground mat that we would use for ESD or to prevent static charges when you're working on electronics. So they would test the cortisol saliva every four hours for 24 hours. So we had a pre-grounding and post-grounding cortisol profile. So, and again, there's a study on the Earth Institute. And, but the cortisol before was like spaghetti. You know, they were not, they were not coordinated. Now, these people didn't know each other and weren't related to each other, but they were spread out throughout San Diego, except for a couple, three nurse, or flight attendants

• 16:56Speaker 00

  who we had to take out of the study because their cortisol was three hours off of San Diego. So we learned a lot there. So anyhow, what happened was at the end of the, when we did the profile at the end, we, before, everything looked kind of like spaghetti. The cortisol was high at night and low in the morning. And afterwards, they all went into a synchronized secretion profile. So it was lowest at midnight. At 4:00 AM, it would skyrocket to about 6:00 AM. That's what gives you the energy to get out of bed. And then throughout the day, it would drift back down to zero.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  Where before it was just, so the younger women had, they had high cortisol profiles because of chronic stress and so on. And the older women who had chronic fatigue or those kind of things that I didn't know how to pronounce back then, exhausted adrenals, their cortisol was very low.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  And afterwards, everybody's cortisol just went into a nice synchronized band. Everybody slept better, they had less pain, they felt better and they had more energy. So can't have charge in a grounded object.

• 18:07Lewis Howes?

  Interesting, okay. And what is the, I guess, what does the science say when it comes to walking barefoot to help you heal the body or reduce chronic inflammation then?

• 18:19Speaker 00

  Okay, well, we learned along the way that if you ground somebody that has flaring arthritis, put an electrode patch here and put a coil cord on, connect it to a ground, the pain goes away. In five, 10 minutes. Now, nobody will believe this, nobody listening to this will believe this whatsoever until they experience it. And they say, "Oh, my God, why didn't somebody tell me about this?" In 1960, we have to start there, 1960, before then, we were either barefoot or we wore leather sole shoes. Leather sole shoes are semiconductive, you know, they hold moisture, they hold perspiration, body salts, you know, the leather does, and so they're conductive.

• 19:04Speaker 00

  But in 1960, we, so before then, barefoot was common.

• 19:08Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 19:09Speaker 00

  At 78 years old, I mean, I was born in 44, so up until, you know, 19, early 60s, you only wore shoes. I'm from Earl, Montana, too, by the way.

• 19:24Lewis Howes?

  Right, you were at a farm or a ranch, yeah, yeah.

• 19:27Speaker 00

  But you wore leather shoes to work and when you needed them. But generally, when you got out of school, you lose the shoes for the summer. First thing that you did when school was over, you lost the shoes.

• 19:39Lewis Howes?

  You're barefoot in the house, you're barefoot outside, you're running from inside to outside barefoot.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  Right. So barefoot was common, and if it rained and you were wearing shoes, you had to take the shoes off and carry them so they didn't get wet. Otherwise, the water would make them shrink up and gnarly.

• 19:54Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  And you couldn't get them, so shoes were, you wore them on purpose.

• 19:58Lewis Howes?

  Huh, not all the time?

• 20:00Speaker 00

  No, you didn't wear shoes all the time, you wore them on purpose. And you weren't allowed to wear shoes in the house back then. A dog can come to the house sometimes, or a baby calf could come in the house and keep it warm, but not shoes. So anyhow, 1960 is when we invented plastics. The first thing we did was put them on the soles of shoes.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  And created those ugly green shag carpets, green, yellow, orange, and kind of reddish shag carpets. And everybody carpeted their homes and started wearing rubber soles shoes. Now, they were really great because now everybody could afford shoes. You didn't have to worry about water, and they were inexpensive. And carpets were, finally now, everybody could afford carpet. Before, it was wool carpeting, wood floors and wool carpeting. And, or linoleum type stuff. But anyhow, in 1960, we started to lose our ground. Television came along. We started spending more time indoors watching TV, less time outdoors and play. When we did

• 21:06Speaker 00

  go outdoors, we had shoes on. And so, over the next 60 years, now 95% of all shoes sold are plastic soled, synthetic soled shoes. And everybody lives on the computer or TV, and nobody goes outdoors anymore. If you wanted to go outdoors and get grounded, where would you go? Unless you have a home that's got a yard, which is rare nowadays, in many cases. Parks are more for pets and stuff than... So it's an odd thing that happened. So over the last 60 years, we lost our ground. We lost our negative charge. So anyhow, I

• 21:50Speaker 00

  had not a clue of any of this at the time. So this was the story. For 20 years, we have produced 25, 30 peer-reviewed published studies on this subject. They're all at theearthinginstitute.net. We've produced a couple of videos, movies. The Earthing Movie, which is, you know, on YouTube and a host of others. We have a book that we've never really fully marketed, but has sold over a million copies so far. It's published in 24 different languages, the Year of the Earthing Book. The most, the earthing, the most important health discovery ever. The reason that we could say that is because what's in it is free. Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  And it's important. It's a rediscovery. Yeah, it's a observation. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, we didn't know until after we wrote that book, anything, we couldn't find anything. But then, literally, I mean, we started finding information from Europe and from around the world. Where a hundred years ago, Adolf Just had discovered the same thing in other people, but it never stayed with him, you know, never gained ground. I was at a convention in San Diego with Dr. Golly, who would help do the cortisol study, and Dr. Stephen Sinatra, who was a cardiologist back east, came out. And he was at this convention, and Golly said, "We need to go visit with him because he's a cardiologist.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  The heart's electrical, so he would understand what we're talking about." So, we did schedule some time with Stephen, he came out. I told him what we were doing, and he said, "Clint," he said, "if you're affecting pain," he says, "you need to be studying inflammation." Because pain is a byproduct of inflammation. But the word inflammation was not in the literature. And it was to some people, I mean, the research and so on. So anyhow, I didn't know what to make of that because inflammation to me was, you twist an ankle like playing tennis, and it swells up like a balloon, and you're just in miserable pain for a couple of days. And he said, "No, that's not what we're talking about." He said, "This is, you know, a chronic low-grade inflammation."

• 24:04Speaker 00

  And so I took it from there, and I started doing more research. And finally, I came across, you know, how the immune system works. You know, the immune system, you have white blood cells, neutrophils, microvaginas, and so on. So if you have a pathogen or an injury... Or a cell that needs to be, you know, damaged cell that needs to be replaced. Or worn out cell, well, the immune system will send a neutrophil over. And it's kind of a jelly-like cell. And it will encapsulate the pathogen or the damaged cell. And then it releases what we call reactive oxygen species. As soon as I heard the word reactive, then for some reason I had a clue.

• 24:49Speaker 00

  This means it's an electrical. Reactive means it's electrically charged. And it has a strong enough charge that it can pull an electron away from a pathogen and destroy it, kill it. It's gone.

• 25:04Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 25:05Speaker 00

  So that was the first clue. Then I started, and this is all cowboy logic. You know, you just take a step forward here and a step forward here.

• 25:15Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 25:16Speaker 00

  Two steps backward. And I couldn't get any help from the docs or the, you know, they, they just, nobody understood this. This is just too bizarre. And nobody wanted to put their name with, take your shoes off, you know, and get grounded. No, it just didn't appeal. So, but anyhow, as time went on, we went to the next study and so on. But, but along the way, I was able to put together that, okay, when you ground yourself to the earth, assume it's like a garden hose with water, you know, the ground water. So it's, it's, electrons are pulling up, coming up the wire by force because equalize, everything is going to equalize in contact with you.

• 26:00Speaker 00

  So then if you have a pad there, a ground pad, and you're laying on it, then it's going to be grounded. Then when you lay on it, you're going to be grounded. Or if we put a patch in your hand, then you're grounded. So it's like cutting, you know, cutting a hole there and pouring water. And so it's like electrons pouring into the body. And the body equalizing, and as soon as the body becomes negative, then it stops all the inflammation.

• 26:27Lewis Howes?

  And the pain stops?

• 26:29Speaker 00

  And the pain stops. When the pain stops, you know the inflammation has stopped. And so to, you know, a story that really helps explain it is, in the early days, the only people I could get for subjects were, the rheumatologists would give me ladies with MS or lupus, or fibromyalgia. And because they can't help these people. They said, here, you can have them.

• 26:56Lewis Howes?

  Try whatever you want. Try your woo woo science on all of them.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  You can entertain them for a while.

• 27:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:00Speaker 00

  It's really the concept. And so I did, I started grounding these women and I, as time went on, it got to the point where I could take a woman with MS. And I remember one came in one day in a study we were doing down in San Diego. And she had to hold her hand like this. Because if she let go, then it would, you know, wander all over. And she had pain and she was totally stressed. And anyhow, we couldn't, she wanted to be in one of our studies. And we said, you know, you can't be in the study because of, she had to get up and go to the bathroom every 20 minutes or those kind of things. That's what she said. So I, because she came there and went to the trouble to, you know, travel and be there. I said, here, I'm going to ground you for a while and I'll give you some things

• 27:45Speaker 00

  you can take home and play with, and it may be of value to you. So anyhow, we put her in the chair and I put patches on her arms and whatever. And, you know, she was kind of moving around, but she was interested. Her color started to change. Her, you know, her started to pink up. Her demeanor started to calm down. And she just kept talking. And all of a sudden, it had been like 40 minutes or so and she didn't have to go to the restroom. So I went to, and I asked her, I said, you need to go to the restroom. She said, no, I'm okay. And so about an hour later, we had to get back to work on what we were doing. But, but at that time, this loss of control.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  You know, it settled down. It all stopped. Hmm. Wow. And, and then she did have to go to the bathroom before she left, so she took the patch off. And she went to the restroom, came back out, and she was almost in tears. She says, "Look at me. I'm like my, like my old self." I mean, her color, her energy came back, her pain was down, her demeanor changed. But most of all, and she wasn't even talking about her arm, but she was able to move it. But she still had, you know, the damage that was done. And so as time went on, I could go on for a long time on, on those ladies. But, but as time went on, I could, it got to the point where I could tell a woman after she had been grounded for five, 10 minutes, I could honestly say, "You no longer have MS."

• 29:14Speaker 00

  Wow. What you have is damage from MS. After years of it, and now you've got that. Yeah, and how you'll recover from that is unknown to me, although there is recovery. Sure. Healing, because the body is a self-healing mechanism. You put the fire out, stop the inflammation, then it can heal. Start to heal, yeah.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  But anyhow, I said, "As long as you're grounded, you no longer have MS." You can't have MS when you're grounded because the body's flooded with free electrons. And so now when the neutrophils are in there, taking care of those damaged cells that were part of the myelin sheath, which caused this problem, then that stops. I mean, the, because free electrons are reducing those reactive oxygen species, the remaining ones. Wow. And it just stops it dead. Now, this really sounds bizarre, and everybody's gonna go out and put their hands on the grasses, which I don't want them to do.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  But anyhow, so that's where I, I mean, that's how confident, you know, I became. And I know this, no matter what, whether it's lupus or MS or... Any kind of a flaring disease, you know, arthritis, bursitis, you name it. If it's an itis, that means it's inflammation.

• 30:32Lewis Howes?

  So it puts out the fire. You might still have the remnants of the the challenge that you faced with if you had it for years, right? If your, if your arms are, you know, getting cramped or your hands are getting deformed or whatever it might be from the disease of the inflammation constantly for years, that may need time to heal. There might be pain there, but not the type of sharp pain.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  You're not gonna have the hot burning pain. If it's hot burning pain, it's inflammation. If it's, if it's still leave me alone pain, that's healing pain. That's normal.

• 31:00Lewis Howes?

  So how easy is it to ground yourself and how long does the grounding last for?

• 31:06Speaker 00

  It's cumulative.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  If I ground somebody for 30 minutes, 40 minutes, they're going to get a sensation like their blood viscosity is going to normalize, the thickness of their blood. Because as soon as you ground the person, their blood before is thick and sticky.

• 31:22Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 31:23Speaker 00

  That's why so many people are on blood thinners and so.

• 31:24Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:26Speaker 00

  Um, so as soon as you ground, then the little red blood cells, they're, they have an electrical surface charge. So they equalize with the earth. So now they have a negative charge. And, and the more negative the red blood cells become, they now repel each other like little negative magnets.

• 31:41Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 31:41Speaker 00

  Now the blood gets thin and they, and rather than sticky, and then it can get in and out of the capillaries, oxygen, make the tissue, get rid of the inflammation, return the body to normal. But.

• 31:54Lewis Howes?

  So 30 minutes is a good amount of time or how long should someone?

• 31:58Speaker 00

  30 minutes will get you down the road. It will give you enough information to know, wow, there's something going on here.

• 32:03Lewis Howes?

  For, and it'll last for what, a day, a half a day or?

• 32:06Speaker 00

  It depends. I've grounded people who had, um, who had a chronic knee inflammation type thing, arthritis type, and they grounded him for 30 minutes and they got up and, and that pain went away forever.

• 32:19Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 32:20Speaker 00

  People who have MS and certain things, no, they've got a challenge ahead.

• 32:25Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 32:26Speaker 00

  And so on.

• 32:26Lewis Howes?

  You've got to heal. What's the difference between, in the benefits between walking barefoot on dirt, laying on your back in the grass, or putting your hands on the ground? Is there different benefits to these techniques?

• 32:40Speaker 00

  I want to share one thing with you first. Animals that live in the wild.

• 32:46Speaker 00

  They're grounded 24/7.

• 32:47Lewis Howes?

  Right, they're, they live on the earth.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  They live on the earth. They don't have cardiovascular disease, lupus, MS, arthritis. They don't have, I mean, cancer rarely exists in nature. The only animals that die from cancer in nature are because we've contaminated or destroyed their, their ecosystem, their environment.

• 33:08Lewis Howes?

  Right. It's more like cats and dogs die because they're in the house.

• 33:12Speaker 00

  Okay, so all the animals who live indoors with their owners manifest similar health disorders as their owners.

• 33:20Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Which is everything from diabetes to, you name it. Diabetes is an inflammation-related health disorder. Autism, but that's not related to cats and stuff. But anyhow, so, but 50% of all these indoor animals, domestic animals die from cancer, just like their owners. So this is environment, so it's about being connected to the earth 24/7. You can't have these health disorders. So, in nature, your feet are the most conductive. We know this just by measuring. The palms of your hand and the bottom of your feet are the most conductive. Well, those are your ground paws. We probably were on all fours at one time, or we were using our hands forever to touch

• 34:05Speaker 00

  green, living plants.

• 34:07Lewis Howes?

  Plants, trees, everything else, yeah.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  And so we were all naturally grounded, but these are the most conductive. And your body's always gonna have, you know, autoimmune response, I mean, immune response. You know, the, the immune cascade, so you're going to have oxidative radicals in your body to reduce pathogens or to reduce damaged cells. If you don't have Redux potential or enough free electrons to reduce those remaining radicals left over from an oxidative burst, then that's what causes inflammation. Inflammation doesn't exist in, in nature. Couldn't get here if that were the case.

• 34:48Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  You need to get grounded and stay grounded until the pain goes away. Because then, you don't need to run tests, you don't need to go to a lab, you don't need to do anything. When the pain stops, then you know the inflammation stopped. Because you can't have the pain without inflammation. But if you have pain, you do have inflammation.

• 35:06Lewis Howes?

  So it might take thirty minutes, might take an hour, your hands and feet on the ground. Is it grass better? Is it touching plants? Is it touching dirt? Is it sand? Is it water? Does it matter?

• 35:16Speaker 00

  I try to tell everybody, you know, what's better. It really doesn't matter because you're not grounding an electrical system. You're grounding a human body and earth potential. And the earth has a universal ground.

• 35:29Lewis Howes?

  What about the sand or the ocean?

• 35:30Speaker 00

  If you sand, if you just take away an inch of it, it's wet. It's damp. I mean, there's always moisture. So.

• 35:38Lewis Howes?

  You want to be in the wet sand is what you're saying? Or in the ocean? Does that mean?

• 35:42Speaker 00

  No. I mean, if you're there, that's great.

• 35:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  You're going to be well grounded. But it's, you're going to be grounded if you're out in Palm Springs and, you know, sitting on, sitting under a palm tree where you just, there's moisture in all sand. It holds moisture. Because it's rock and you have nighttime condensation evaporate. So there's moisture everywhere. It's going to be better. If you have a grass yard, I tell everybody. And if we have time, I'd like to tell you about the MS ladies a little bit. But if I can convince you to go out and just sit on the earth, put your bare feet on the earth and your bare hands on the earth, that's great. If you can't do that, then take a chair out, take your shoes off and at least put your feet

• 36:25Speaker 00

  on the earth and just sit there until you, your respiration is going to calm down, your O2 saturation is going to come up, your color is going to come up because of the, the blood's going to, your blood viscosity is going to normalize and your pain is going to diminish. And the, the, the, the pain going down, that's the inflammation. You're reducing the inflammation in your body. When you have no pain left in your body. You can still have pain left, but that would be the healing pain. But if you have burning pain or oxidative, that pain will, will.

• 37:00Lewis Howes?

  Will go away.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  That'll go away.

• 37:01Lewis Howes?

  What do we, what are we missing out on by wearing shoes all the time and not being connected between, you know, and having this barrier between ourselves?

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Whenever you're grounded? You can't have inflammation. When you're not grounded, then you start losing your redox potential or you bleed off your free electrons just by breathing oxygen or eating food or, you know, all these environmental stressors can affect. So eventually you become short of electrons. You become a little bit gaunt or gray. Your energy drops, you know, fatigue and so on. And then, but if it goes on too long and you don't recover, you go to bed all charged up with all this damage. Then in the morning you get up and you're stiff and you can't get out of bed. You don't have energy and you have to have coffee to wake up and so on and so on.

• 37:54Lewis Howes?

  And you're building on that. And how does, does grounding support with extending your lifespan?

• 38:02Speaker 00

  Well, we did a rat study. We took, and this is done in Canada, up in Alberta. And we took, I think there were 60 breeder rats. And normally they would, they would have their litters and they would euthanize them afterwards. And so what I wanted to do, I said, you know, we want to take these rats and let them live out their life. And we want to monitor them. Thirty of them in cages that are grounded, thirty of them in cages that are not grounded. Okay. So.

• 38:43Lewis Howes?

  What happened?

• 38:45Speaker 00

  At the end, the grounded rats, I mean, the ungrounded rats had lots of alopecia, lots of hair loss. This is common amongst.

• 38:56Lewis Howes?

  The ungrounded rats?

• 38:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, the ungrounded rats. Now, remember, these were middle aged ladies in the rat time. So as they started getting older, they started developing lots of alopecia. And there's lots of biomarkers that are indicative of, you know, metabolic syndrome, you know, which is all of these.

• 39:17Speaker 00

  Inflammation when they had health disorders. But the number one thing, the difference in age was very little.

• 39:25Speaker 00

  But the animals who were grounded, and they ate the same thing every day, same amount of water. And so this is healthy food, healthy conditions. So they wouldn't have had a lot of the normal stressors.

• 39:38Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  You know, environmental stressors. But the rats who were grounded were like twenty, wait, I think it was fourteen to twenty percent less weight than the ungrounded ladies.

• 39:53Lewis Howes?

  Healthier weight, or you mean they weren't obese?

• 39:56Speaker 00

  No, they were healthy. Yeah, they were healthy.

• 40:00Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 40:01Speaker 00

  So, being grounded, you had less likely to have metabolic syndrome-related health disorders, which is inflammation. Alpecia would be inflammation. And lots of other things, but I would have to get into the study. The studies are available.

• 40:17Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  That study's available at the Earthing Institute. I don't like to talk about the animal study too much because a lot of people get upset.

• 40:23Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 40:23Speaker 00

  But I say, I let these ladies live out their life where they would have been euthanized otherwise.

• 40:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  So it was a good study.

• 40:32Lewis Howes?

  And so it showed that it essentially did help with lifespan, or just more of like better conditions?

• 40:38Speaker 00

  Quality of life.

• 40:39Lewis Howes?

  Quality of life, less obese.

• 40:41Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 40:42Lewis Howes?

  Not as much inflammation, or no inflammation.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  You wouldn't have inflammation.

• 40:46Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  But anyhow, so it was.

• 40:48Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  It was less inflammation-related health disorders, less, I mean, you can, it's like a lot of people are going to live to be eighty, ninety years old.

• 40:56Lewis Howes?

  They might be in pain for twenty years.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  Or longer.

• 41:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  You know, the average age of a man today, I think, is seventy-five, seventy-six, something like that. I'm seventy-eight, so I'm pretty good.

• 41:07Lewis Howes?

  That's great.

• 41:08Speaker 00

  But anyhow.

• 41:10Lewis Howes?

  But living it, you wanna live healthy when you're older and pain free, yes.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  Like, like, it's interesting, I can get up out of my chair with ease.

• 41:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:20Speaker 00

  I can move, I can go dance for three hours if I wanted to, I can do a lot, and.

• 41:26Lewis Howes?

  And you're seventy-eight?

• 41:28Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 41:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 41:29Speaker 00

  And I can walk five miles.

• 41:31Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  Prefer to walk barefoot when I can, but that's not easily done, so I wear grounded shoes, I won't wear, I can't walk five miles in a, in a regular shoe like everybody else.

• 41:41Lewis Howes?

  Really? What happens when you do that?

• 41:43Speaker 00

  I just lose my energy after about a mile and a half.

• 41:46Lewis Howes?

  Wow, so when you wear the grounded sandals, you feel like you keep your energy throughout the day?

• 41:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:53Lewis Howes?

  To a certain point, maybe you can't go twenty miles every day, but.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  No, I can, I walk, you know, between two thousand steps and ten thousand, depending on

• 42:03Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 42:04Speaker 00

  what's going on.

• 42:05Lewis Howes?

  Either barefoot or with grounded shoes?

• 42:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Is there such a thing as grounded tennis shoes, or is it only the sandals right now that are out there?

• 42:13Speaker 00

  No, the only thing we have is a grounded flip-flop so far, the whole earth thing, and they're.

• 42:20Lewis Howes?

  And why do they work? Why is like, because it's still rubber on the sandals essentially, right? But then there's a grounding.

• 42:26Speaker 00

  Can I show you one?

• 42:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 42:29Lewis Howes?

  Because when you just have rubber on your soles or plastic.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're insulated from the earth.

• 42:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  So this, I don't know if we can see it here, but there's a piece of carbon here.

• 42:39Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  Carbon, and it comes along here, and it comes through the shoe, and it goes over the bottom of the shoe.

• 42:44Lewis Howes?

  Touching the ground.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  So when it touches the earth, it's conductive, so when your foot touches this, then it's like standing barefoot on the earth. So it's like standing barefoot, but you don't need to worry about the stickers of the dog.

• 42:56Lewis Howes?

  Or the poop, or the, yeah, yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, or whatever.

• 42:59Lewis Howes?

  Or glass, or, yeah.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  A lot of people, you know, guys, they're not gonna worry, go barefoot, the ladies will, they like to go barefoot.

• 43:07Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  But again, they don't like.

• 43:09Lewis Howes?

  I like to go on the grass, if I see a grass in a park, I'm like, okay, I'll walk, I'll take my shoes and my socks off, and I'll walk on there for thirty to sixty minutes, and I always feel more energized, I feel more connected.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  That's what I'm talking about, yeah.

• 43:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:21Speaker 00

  You, you get, when you're, when your body is grounded, your body is full of free electrons, full of this earth energy. So now you can't have inflammation. So your metabolism's cooking along. And you're not, or if you're not grounded, then you're bleeding off and depleting these free electrons and you're getting fatigued and your body can't function.

• 43:44Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  It's like, as soon as you ground yourself, you have a greater range of motion.

• 43:48Lewis Howes?

  Flexibility.

• 43:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:49Lewis Howes?

  In your body, really?

• 43:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, you have more energy. You can, your O2 saturation increases.

• 43:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 43:56Speaker 00

  Everything, so it's, our body evolved grounded. We lived on the earth. We, we are the earth that's walking around. And we were always connected. So over whatever period of time, all living things, you know, were grounded.

• 44:14Lewis Howes?

  The last 60 years is when it started to shift and evolve.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  And when you're grounded, you couldn't have had inflammation. Because if you had inflammation along the way, we wouldn't be here as a species because you wouldn't have all these pharmaceuticals and everything to keep everybody alive.

• 44:27Lewis Howes?

  We had other types of pain, maybe, but we didn't have the inflammation.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  Pain was hunger.

• 44:32Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  Injury.

• 44:34Lewis Howes?

  Injury.

• 44:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, you put this in perspective. In 1960, 90% of the visits to a general practitioner were for infectious disease, acute injury, childbirth.

• 44:46Lewis Howes?

  So was there no really MS or arthritis back in, when you were growing up? Is that not a thing?

• 44:52Speaker 00

  Maybe one in 10,000 or one in whatever. But now, it's like autism, one in 10,000. Autism is an inflammation-related health disorder, oxidation of the brain stem. Okay, so, so back in, you know, no, you would have a little bit. Diabetes started in the 50s. It started to, you can see the curve.

• 45:17Lewis Howes?

  Was that more food-related or more grounding-related?

• 45:20Speaker 00

  No, it's, it's.

• 45:21Lewis Howes?

  Is it more like just so much sugar and processed foods?

• 45:24Speaker 00

  That may exacerbate it. That's gonna put weight on you. But what caused the, the problem is loss, is inflammation. Now, again, there are studies on the Earthing Institute that explain all this. And you can actually just type Google, diabetes and earthing and grounding and inflammation, or just diabetes and inflammation. Diabetes is an inflammation-related health disorder.

• 45:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:47Speaker 00

  Sugar is, if you're grounded, the sugar's not gonna be quite as bad, but you're gonna put a weight on if you eat. I mean, sugar's not good for you. It's not a natural thing.

• 45:56Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 45:56Speaker 00

  In the type of sugars we eat. Processed foods are not natural. So those are going to challenge and stress our body and maybe create inflammation. But if you're grounded, it'll help reduce that inflammation and get you through it. Or if you're not grounded, then that's just going to exacerbate.

• 46:13Lewis Howes?

  And how does grounding support weight loss or increase in metabolism or the gut microbiome? Does grounding help that as well?

• 46:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. Because if you have inflammation in your body, what's happening is your immune system is using all of its resources.

• 46:30Lewis Howes?

  To fight the inflammation.

• 46:31Speaker 00

  To fight the inflammation that it itself is feeding. So it's a vicious loop. It shouldn't be, but it is because the immune system didn't know that one day we would put on shoes.

• 46:42Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  Didn't know one day we would live.

• 46:45Lewis Howes?

  Be disconnected from the earth.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, we didn't.

• 46:48Lewis Howes?

  What's the difference between barefoot indoors versus barefoot outdoors?

• 46:53Speaker 00

  Barefoot indoors, you'll have less static electricity and things like that, but you won't get any.

• 46:58Lewis Howes?

  You're not grounded still.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  You're not grounded. So you're not gonna get the benefits of...

• 47:02Lewis Howes?

  Is there a way to have like a grounding tool that you can plug into your outlets that will make you feel like you're grounded?

• 47:09Speaker 00

  Well, yeah. Over the years, as we did the studies, in order to do the studies, we had to create what I call ground planes. And these are anything from an electrode patch, the EKG patch, like when you wanna read, you know, cardio.

• 47:26Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 47:27Speaker 00

  So you put one of those on the body and then you connect it to a ground. And so that grounds the body. And electrons can get through the skin and get in there and get into the blood and start reducing the inflammation.

• 47:38Lewis Howes?

  Cause we have the grounding pad that I think you guys, we got from you guys. And so I've been putting my feet barefoot on that.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:45Lewis Howes?

  So is that the same thing as being on the earth?

• 47:48Speaker 00

  Yes. So what we did in order to do our research.

• 47:54Speaker 00

  To ground our subjects. We would use the patches that I mentioned. Or we, we, the first ones we made were 12 inches by 24 inch conductive fabrics or conductive ground planes or conductive rubber like we would use in the E S D industry or electronics industry. And then we had connected to a ground, so it would be grounded. And then when you sat on it, did whatever, then you'd be grounded. So in many cases, we put these in the home. And so people had them for, you know, 30 days or whatever. And at the end of the studies, then the people who, a lot of people had great benefit, so they wanted to keep them. Or they wanted other ones for their mom.

• 48:35Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 48:36Speaker 00

  Or for whoever. And so then as time went on, we would, whatever we had left of scraps and stuff, we would give them or whatever. Then eventually we decided that, you know, what is the best thing we could do for people? Uh, if we wanted to give them something? Because we knew that people won't comply. Doing our studies, it's really hard to get compliance.

• 48:57Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 48:57Speaker 00

  So people, you know, people don't, most people won't even finish around a script.

• 49:03Lewis Howes?

  Uh.

• 49:03Speaker 00

  They won't, I mean, people don't comply. They do, if it's, if it's not part of their daily routine, it's hard to get them to follow through or change routine. So we thought, well, the best thing we can do, and we need to do a study that way. We need to just give them something they can sleep on. So they put it on their bed one time. Ground it. Then there's no impact or no effect on anything they normally do. All they do is come home, go to bed and go to sleep like they normally do. No work.

• 49:31Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  No change.

• 49:32Lewis Howes?

  We put that on our bed also in the last week, and it's been really, it's been passing out pretty much right away.

• 49:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. So anyhow, so that was the product that we developed. And these products were all accidental products. Because when I was involved, got involved with this, remember, I was the first guy to put data over a satellite and feed it to a personal computer.

• 49:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  I had no desire to be product. I was more retarded than not. And this was just really interesting to me. And, um, but anyhow, so all of a sudden there became a huge demand. We never advertised, this was all word of mouth.

• 50:04Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  It was relatives and relatives and word of mouth. Anybody that got grounded, they wanted, wanted one for their mom. And so on. So any of the business. So we kept improving it. So anyhow, yeah, we have mats you can sleep on. They're carbon mats. You can sleep directly on them, or you can put them underneath your sheet, and put the sheet over them and sleep on them that way. And we have the little mats that you can put underneath your computer, or you're on your desk, and have your hands on it when you're working, or put it on the floor and put your feet on it, be grounded during the day. We have the patches. Those are for acute flaring situations. But it's really simple. We have a pillow cover that you can put your pillow in, and it's grounded. Put your pillowcase

• 50:47Speaker 00

  over the top so when you go to sleep. A lot of people love that product.

• 50:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 50:52Speaker 00

  But it's something, again, you don't have to do anything.

• 50:54Lewis Howes?

  It's not a new habit. What would you say is a daily routine that all people should be thinking about with grounding? If you're like, you know what, I've only got 20 minutes to try this thing out a day. Whatever you recommend, is it going outside barefoot? Is it getting the pad and putting your feet on the pad? What would you say is a daily routine people should do?

• 51:14Speaker 00

  Well, I usually tell a story. I don't know how much time we have here.

• 51:17Lewis Howes?

  Go for it, yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  But I usually tell a story that kind of helps answer that. When I was young, you know, I was babysitting cows. And when you're babysitting cows, what you're really doing is you're looking at them, make sure they're healthy and happy. And if you see one that's different than the herd, or acting strange, or glassy-eyed, or bawling, then you take them out of the herd, put them in a pan, and then you have to go ride the pasture, make sure the water's okay, make sure there's no noxious weeds coming up, make sure the grass is okay, and a few other things. And then normally the grass, something's wrong. So you move the herd to a different section of the pasture and fence them off. And then that other calf or whatever will straighten out and put her back

• 52:02Speaker 00

  in the herd. So I have this prevention thing. That's kind of... Help me do this because I always think, what's the cause? What caused this rather than do I need this pill or that? Uh huh, what's the root? Yeah, what's the root cause? So that's my background. And I was raised that way anyhow. But so anyhow, sometimes when I was out there in the summer, some years you'd have an infestation of jackrabbits. And not sometimes you'd be driving down the road and there are so many jackrabbits. And remember, this is Montana. There's no water there. But you'd drive down the road and it would look like there's a lake out there because it was the light reflecting off the jackrabbit's eyes. That's how many there were.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  So anyhow, during the day, there was just this jackrabbits everywhere. But it was fun to watch them because the coyote was always sneaking up on the jackrabbit. Soon as the jackrabbit would be aware of them, the ears would go up and then a jackrabbit could spring 10 feet in the air. And then he'll zigzag back and forth across the pasture, keeping one eye on the coyote. And then, you know, the chase goes on and then eventually generally the coyote runs out of energy. And then he'll just lay there panting. And then, so anyhow, the jackrabbit will run just a little bit further. Conservation of energy is everything in nature, okay? So a rabbit will run just a little bit further and then he'll stop.

• 53:27Speaker 00

  And he'll sit there and you can see, you can, because you're close enough, you can see this. And he'll sit there quivering. And then all of a sudden, yes, a little bit of time goes on, he'll have this big visceral shake. Then he'll go back to eating grass like nothing ever happened. Eventually, the coyote gets up and wanders off because he's got to go restore his energy. Anyhow, now I know that that rabbit was grounding out the cortisol from the elevated. Shaking it out. Well, it's the inflammation that was created from the cortisol and everything. And the charge, I mean, you're burning adrenaline, so you're creating inflammation in the body. And so anyhow, you ground out the inflammation. The inflammation doesn't come out.

• 54:11Speaker 00

  The ground comes up and reduces the excess radicals that otherwise will oxidize and create inflammation. So anyhow, the reason I tell that story is.

• 54:25Speaker 00

  Most women today, almost all women of certain, you know, over thirty, they have some kind of an inflammation-related health disorder.

• 54:35Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 54:35Speaker 00

  They're not healthy. I mean, they're healthy, but they're doing everything they're right. Even they go out and exercise, they exercise too much, that creates inflammation, you know, and so on and so on. But, you know, so what I try to get across is, and I learned this from some of the MS ladies, because they're always asking me, "What happened in your life prior to MS developing?" In the beginning, they can't tell you, and then after a little bit, they say, "Well, that was when I lost my house in 208, and I lost my job," or whatever. And they went into a chronically elevated fight-or-flight state, body flooded with cortisol, and then they couldn't get out of it. That created pain, that pain created more cortisol. And so then they ended up with lupus MS, or whatever.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  But, you know, so the reason I tell this story is because women, and I work with ninety-nine percent women, guys will not buy, are not gonna buy earthing products. That's how I'll do it myself, you know, it's too simple, whatever. Or, "This can't be true, if it were, I'd know about it." But women are different. Women, they kind of know they're intuitively connected to the earth. A woman gets up in the morning. She's sleeping on a foam bed with normal coveries, and so a bed full of static electricity. And she gets up in the morning, and she's stressed, or fatigued, doesn't have a lot of energy. And the first thing she's gotta do is take care, get the kids ready, get them off to school, whatever.

• 56:04Speaker 00

  If she still has a mate, she's feeding her mate, getting her mate off. Eighty percent of all women over thirty sleep alone.

• 56:13Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 56:13Speaker 00

  It's because of inflammation. Health disorder, health issues and the anger and whatever, all the things that go with not being well contribute to this. But anyhow, so they get up in the morning, they're, get their kids off to school, they do all those things and it's a rush. And then they, when they're gone, that's taken care of, then they have to go take, feed themselves, take care of their own. That's a rush. Whatever's going on, then they have to jump in a car, get dressed with a lot of clothing sometimes that creates charge, but anyhow, they're not grounded, but they've got all this, so anyhow, it goes on. And so then she goes to work and then she's got to put up with the boss, put up with

• 56:55Speaker 00

  the clients or whatever stresses are there, traffic to go there, traffic to come home. And so when she gets home, you know, I need a drink, I need something, you know. So basically, what I try to get across, and then she takes that to bed, that stress of all that is still in the body. So what I call, I call this coyote juice, cortisol. I said, everything is a coyote. Hmm. You know, and so the kids are a coyote in the morning, your husband's a coyote, your boss is a coyote, the traffic's coyote. So the coyote causes the rabbit to, you know, trigger a fight or flight and cortisol is secreted into the system. So if that's chronic, all day long, you've got these little spikes of cortisol, that

• 57:40Speaker 00

  cortisol is building up in your body. And so you're, you end up with a lot of anxiety, irritability, sometimes just anger and depression and those kind of things. And, and it's relentless. So when you get home at night, you're full of coyote juice, you're full of cortisol. So I don't care if you don't do anything else, go, and when you come home at night, especially women, go outdoors, take a chair, if that's all you can do, and put your feet on the earth and sit there for 30 minutes and drain, drain all that inflammation. The, you know, you can, women think about the inflammation going out of their body and into the earth, that's fine. It's the earth coming up and reducing their articles, but it doesn't matter. Sure. But you need to drain this, you need to.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  dampen and reduce this inflammation in your body. Then you can enjoy the kids, then you can go to bed and wake up in the morning and feel better. But if you're, if you wake up in the morning and you got aches and pains, you don't feel good. Then you need to consider sleeping grounded because in nature you would always have been grounded.

• 58:43Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 58:44Speaker 00

  Couldn't have.

• 58:44Lewis Howes?

  Laying on the ground. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 58:46Speaker 00

  So anyhow, I'm not sure what prompted that dialogue.

• 58:51Lewis Howes?

  The, uh, the grounding routine that we should all be thinking about.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, so start there. If you can't do anything else in the world, it's free. And it will change your life, I guarantee it.

• 59:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  I guarantee it.

• 59:02Lewis Howes?

  What's your strat, what's your routine look like on a daily basis?

• 59:05Speaker 00

  Well.

• 59:06Lewis Howes?

  You barefoot a lot? Are you using the sandals? Or you have all the mats and everything or?

• 59:11Speaker 00

  Well, I've been grounded for most of 20 years, longer. I've been doing the studies for 23, so I guess over 20 years. And I started out with the little ground planes that I was using on the subjects. And I had lots of pain and I didn't want the pain.

• 59:26Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 59:27Speaker 00

  I kept my pain down.

• 59:28Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  Uh, because like again, I said, I, you know, I grew up on a ranch, I was in ski, I had more injuries than.

• 59:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  I, I remember sometime in my, uh, somewhere around 53, 54, I went outdoors one day and I looked up at the sky and I said, God, why didn't you make my body with so much pain in it? Because I was in chronic pain, just from all the injuries and whatever. I learned later it was me that did that, but.

• 59:54Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 59:55Speaker 00

  But anyhow, um, I sleep ground, I sleep on a grounded ground mat. Grounding bed cover, mattress cover. Uh, I have a pillow, it's grounded pillow covers, pillowcase over the top. I have, um, a mat underneath my computer, so I'm there. I have a bigger ground mat under my chair and desk. So I'm barefoot all the time.

• 1:00:24Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  Wow. The only time I'm not barefoot is when I go outdoors generally. And I have a house that has a nice, salt teal tile floor, so they're grounded.

• 1:00:34Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  And so I'm really grounded most of the time. And then when I go outdoors, um, in the summer, certain months, you can go barefoot in certain areas. Uh, but generally I'll just wear the grounded flip flops.

• 1:00:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:00:48Speaker 00

  And, um. I don't like to walk as much as I used to because of the seasons. But certain seasons, I love to walk. You know, because you can walk forever.

• 1:00:59Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  But the wind, sometimes the heat.

• 1:01:02Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  You know, in Vegas or some, depending where I'm at, what I'm doing.

• 1:01:06Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:01:06Speaker 00

  But anyhow, I'm grounded probably ninety percent of the time.

• 1:01:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And you feel like you're pretty pain-free, except, I mean, maybe old injuries or?

• 1:01:17Speaker 00

  I don't have any pain.

• 1:01:18Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  I don't have, I don't have any inflammation and inflammatory pain.

• 1:01:23Lewis Howes?

  And what's your diet look like? Are you pretty?

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  In the morning, I will get up, I generally will have two to three eggs.

• 1:01:31Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  Avocado. And sometimes some, like keto toast. Some mornings, other mornings, I'll have the keto-type bread and the nut butter, almond butter, walnut butter, or things like that. And some coarse, some nice organic jam.

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  My keto doesn't work very well. But I try to cut the carbs out, you know, the excess bread carbs.

• 1:01:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59Speaker 00

  And I don't divert from them much.

• 1:02:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  And then at lunch, I usually have soup.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  I, I mean, I'll eat soup before I'll eat anything. And then at dinner, I will, you know, have fish and veggie.

• 1:02:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  Or something, you know.

• 1:02:18Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  A little meat, get my four ounces of meat. But I don't eat a lot of meat. I just don't, my body doesn't crave it.

• 1:02:26Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  I love bananas, green, you know, raw on the green side.

• 1:02:34Speaker 00

  I'd like to eat blueberries, I buy the blueberries and I freeze them.

• 1:02:38Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  And then during the day, I'll snack on eating the frozen blueberries or raspberries or things like that.

• 1:02:44Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Now, does that mean I don't? Do anything bad, that's not true. I still like sweet treats.

• 1:02:52Lewis Howes?

  I love sweets, yeah, that's my advice.

• 1:02:54Speaker 00

  Keep the cookies out of the house.

• 1:02:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:02:56Speaker 00

  Because they'll be gone in a half hour.

• 1:02:58Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  I don't care how many there are.

• 1:03:02Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious about your thoughts on, you know, when I grew up, I grew up right before video games came, right? It's like, they started to come when I was five to 10, but I was still going outside every day, right? My mom would say, "Go out and play."

• 1:03:20Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:03:20Lewis Howes?

  I would come back and started to play some video games, but I really got into sports in an early age and became more obsessed with going to the soccer field, the football field, the basketball court, and, and being in the gym, playing sports, right?

• 1:03:33Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:03:34Lewis Howes?

  Or being in the backyard, playing whatever we were playing as kids. And I felt like I'm so glad I got the experience of being outside a lot, climbing the trees, doing everything and just playing like a kid would play. With kids now, that happens very little, and kids are, grow up on their iPad when they're, you know, 60 days old, or on an iPhone, or on a TV. There's multiple screens in front of their face.

• 1:03:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:59Lewis Howes?

  Inside, safe, protected, soft things around them.

• 1:04:03Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:04:04Lewis Howes?

  Uh, carpeted, not going out outside as much.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:04:09Lewis Howes?

  What is your advice to parents who are starting to raise kids for the future?

• 1:04:16Lewis Howes?

  About the importance of grounding and being outside? What are the, what are the, the bad things that could happen if they, they don't do those things?

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  Well, we already know that 40% of our kids can be diagnosed at some level of diabetes.

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  They have chronic allergies. Allergies or inflammation-related health disorders.

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  They're full of anxiety, ADD, ADHD. I used to call that tennis shoeitis.

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  I don't do that anymore. I don't want to get in trouble with the shoe companies. But, so it's, think of it this way. Health is your most natural state. In nature, you can see it in the animal world. Health is your most natural state. If you don't have health, then something is interfering with your immune system's ability to maintain and restore health. So if a child has health issues of any kind, then it's generally because the immune system's compromised. And the only way you can maintain and keep them healthy is to get them grounded.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  Some portion, sleeping grounded is easy. Put it under their feet. They don't even know. Your kids over the age of seven, if they're into video games after that, you're not going to change that. It's not possible. So we have ground mats and a lot of the gamers use them. So you can, you have to use artificial.

• 1:06:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. It's still better than nothing, right?

• 1:06:04Speaker 00

  Well, it's identical there.

• 1:06:06Lewis Howes?

  Oh, it is identical, yeah.

• 1:06:07Speaker 00

  Because it's conductive. Earth is, electrical is conductive. Electrical travels at the speed of light around the world, you know.

• 1:06:14Lewis Howes?

  But is it better to be outdoors and in grass? Or to have a mat, a grounding mat, you know, all day?

• 1:06:22Speaker 00

  It's better to be outdoors barefoot on the earth, breathing fresh air with sunshine coming down.

• 1:06:28Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:06:30Speaker 00

  The other problems are fresh air, the pollutants in our indoor air, and the loss of sunlight. We put roofs over our heads now. We no longer, we're all short of vitamin D. So our health is compromised. Grounding is not, it's not the cure-all or anything like that. It might be, it's one of the causals. Loss of vitamin D, loss of ground, loss of fresh air.

• 1:06:55Lewis Howes?

  It's one of the things, yeah.

• 1:06:56Speaker 00

  Something in your environment is compromising your immune system. And if you are indoors and you're breathing air that's challenging, then the immune system has to deal with every, everything you breathe. It has to deal with your cells and all that kind of. If you don't get enough sunlight, you don't get enough vitamin D. That's going to affect everything in your body.

• 1:07:17Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:07:18Speaker 00

  If you, you know, oxygen, you know, just.

• 1:07:22Lewis Howes?

  Everything.

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  It's universal. It's, it's not one thing. It's a, it's everything.

• 1:07:27Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  We stepped out of nature. We need to put our toe back in nature. We need to.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  The young moms, I, I try to work with the young moms because they are the ones taking care of these children. But the moms themselves are in trouble. So we try to ground them. The first thing they do is ground their mom so, so she can get freed up and have a little, or get some of her life back. Or get her own life back so she can take care of her family and so on. And then I try to, you know, you have to find ways to entertain these children. Uh, we used to go love to go play in the creek.

• 1:08:01Lewis Howes?

  Yep.

• 1:08:02Speaker 00

  Go build caves, do whatever we, the last thing you ever wanted to do is go in the house. Until television came on.

• 1:08:09Lewis Howes?

  You had to, you know, I remember my mom having to like, call me in late at night. It's like, it's eight, nine, 10 o'clock and she's like yelling for you to come back in the house. Cause you wanted to be out playing the whole night.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, you say.

• 1:08:20Lewis Howes?

  You didn't want to stop playing games.

• 1:08:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, you'd sleep in the barn before you'd leave the house.

• 1:08:23Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 1:08:24Speaker 00

  But I, I don't have the answers.

• 1:08:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:27Speaker 00

  Um, but if you can't do it any other way, I mean, if we ground a child. Or if we ground, put a ground pad in a home, the animals are going to gravitate to it. The children, a lot of the children will start using it. The younger they are, they are, we have, you know, children, they know when they're grounded and not.

• 1:08:44Lewis Howes?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  And, and they miss their grounding, you know, when they don't, they need to get grounded.

• 1:08:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:50Speaker 00

  Uh, because they feel better when they're grounded. The kids are going to feel better. You, you, when you go outdoors and sit on the earth, and that's what I tell the, the moms too, is. A lot of health, what's feeding the cortisol in the body. Is a lot of it's mental, a lot of it's environmental, but a lot of it's. Uh, psychological and that causes the fight or flight to trigger. And that's what's causing this cortisol. The thing I've learned over the years is you can take a child or an adult or somebody who's angry, mad, whatever. Take their shoes off, put them outdoors for 30 minutes. And they lose all of it. The anger goes away.

• 1:09:27Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:09:28Speaker 00

  The demeanor changes. They just changed. They're different. The pain comes down, the circulation comes up, the demeanor shifts, they see a smile. But it's, it's hard to be upset, it's hard to experience all these things that we, that we experience in the home when we're in nature.

• 1:09:49Lewis Howes?

  That's true.

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  It's crazy, but it's

• 1:09:52Lewis Howes?

  That's true.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  I don't know, I can't say exactly what it is, but, well, it is getting rid of the inflammation on the body and the immune system can then go back to restore the body and pains, you know, you just have more O2, more energy.

• 1:10:06Lewis Howes?

  Right, right. I've got a couple of final questions for you. One is about your time growing up and having a lot of close friends who are Native Americans. What were the greatest lessons that they taught you? Because I feel like that community has, I wouldn't say forgotten, but it's been, not has been respected as much in the most recent years in America. What are the lessons you learned from them growing up? And are you still in contact with any of those friends?

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  Well, at 78, no, most of them are gone that I grew up with. I think a lot of the younger Native Americans, they have a sense of it and they're trying to pull that back. But the thing that I learned about being with these Native Americans is they're not like us. They, back then, they didn't understand ownership. How can you own a tree? How can you own the land? The land belongs, you know, to everyone, you know. But ownership was a foreign concept to Native American back then. You had the tribes, but the tribes

• 1:11:17Speaker 00

  and their reservations that were the government created that, not, they didn't do that. But they were more, they would live down low in the winter and move up to summer pasture, you know, up in, I grew up in Montana, up in the prires, that would be the The summer camp and so on. But anyhow, they lived more in tune with nature. Most people wouldn't know Errol Biss, but he was a Native American from Harden, Montana, Crow Agency, and famous painter. And I bought a lot of his paintings and I would give them to other people as business things. But I kept a lot of them, but one of them he made special for me.

• 1:12:00Speaker 00

  But he painted, it was a bit, he called it the Tunnel of Light in the Bitterroot, and it was over in Missoula, Montana area. But here's two little riders down here on horses. And then here's trees, and then here's all these other things. But in this big, huge painting, there's just, but the idea behind it was these horses and these humans were just a piece of all of it. They weren't prominent, they weren't, you know, whatever. And so the concept there is they see themselves as being a part of everything. I mean, a blade of grass is your cousin. An ant is, you don't kill anything, you don't destroy anything.

• 1:12:43Speaker 00

  And anything you take, you honor it. It sounds kind of woo, sounds whatever, but there's more to it than that. That's a sensation, a feeling. It's a way of life. Sure. It's a peaceful way of life. Because they aren't angry people. And they take care of each other. I can't imagine not having the essence of what I learned from them in my being because it makes me like a Boy Scout half the time. Sometimes I should be stronger about things, but I'm more of a... They care for their environment. They don't take anything they don't need.

• 1:13:29Speaker 00

  They don't waste life. They don't go sport hunting.

• 1:13:35Speaker 00

  But anyhow, it's not... I don't know what it is. It's a way of life and it's just something that makes you feel good inside.

• 1:13:40Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:13:40Speaker 00

  It's earthy.

• 1:13:43Lewis Howes?

  This is a question I ask everyone at the end of our interviews. It's called the three truths. So I'd like you to imagine that you continue to live as long as you want to live. And you continue to accomplish or fulfill the things you want to fulfill in your life and continue to live a healthy life. But it's the last day on earth for you at some point. And that last day, you have to take everything with you. Everything that you've created, the book, the programs, this interview, anything you've ever shared. It has to go somewhere, whether it goes with you or somewhere else. We don't have access to that information anymore. Hypothetical scenario. But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world. Only three things that you could share.

• 1:14:27Lewis Howes?

  And this is all we would have to remember. Your information and your content by what would you say are those three truths that you'd leave behind?

• 1:14:34Speaker 00

  I think number one is family.

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  And you've got your own personal family, then you have your community. And then you have your bigger communities and your whatever. But it's about taking care of each other like we would a family. I think it's... I've never looked in a person in my whole life, from the richest to the poorest, to the whatever, that I didn't feel or see. I mean, he's me, or I'm her, or whatever. We're all the same, we're all one. And I think it's important that we need to take care of each other rather than...

• 1:15:19Speaker 00

  Beliefs, political, politics, religion. It's innate. Truth is, I mean, heart, you know, it's, there's something there. I'm challenged for a word sometimes, but it's about family. Yeah. And taking care of each other. But money is evil. Capitalism, the way we, I shouldn't say it that way. It's, if your life is about money, you do not have a life. Hmm, yeah. Money is a byproduct of, I've found the money, you don't need to worry about money. You just need to go and provide benefit, provide things that help other people, that are going to improve. Yeah. People's lot in life.

• 1:16:03Speaker 00

  But if you go to work just for money, that's evil. Because you don't have a conscience, you lose. Sure. You lose yourself. Sure. And the third thing? When you're younger, you know, you're out there working and you are taking care of your family or whatever you're doing, and all the things that go on in life. And you forget about yourself. I think most people do, I did. And on my, when I almost lost it, I think that scared me more than anything else. And so, I think it's important, rather than learn that at seventy, or sixty, or eighty,

• 1:16:48Speaker 00

  whatever, but to go back and say, find yourself. And take care of yourself. Mm-hmm. Take care of that little boy. Yeah, of course. And, and be grateful. If anything, just, it's hard to understand life. It's really a challenge to figure it all out. And it takes years, because it's about learning what not to do. And it's about getting rid of all those beliefs, all those bricks of beliefs that you're encased in. And undoing all of that so that you can find and see.

• 1:17:33Speaker 00

  And again, you know, a lot of people call it finding God, finding that whatever. It's there and one day you will find it.

• 1:17:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Speaker 00

  And when you experience that, then sometimes you're not going to be able to ever explain it. It helps you to know that you are a piece of this. You're not separate from it. And so it's about being happy with yourself.

• 1:17:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Speaker 00

  Really putting yourself first.

• 1:18:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 00

  Take care of your health.

• 1:18:03Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:18:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, take care of yourself.

• 1:18:06Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful Clint. I want to acknowledge you for the incredible transformation you've had in your life. And the journey you went on, I think it's amazing how you grew up on the, you know, on the land essentially, and then went into make money business mode in the cable electrical side of things. And then you lost your health and then came back around full circle and used the different skills that you developed over the time to now help people heal and help people find solutions. And really just get back to what we're supposed to be doing as human beings, being in nature.

• 1:18:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:42Lewis Howes?

  Being human beings, not, you know, I don't know, inside beings or something. So I really acknowledge you for the journey that you've been on and the mission that you have to educate, to teach, to provide these products for people to really heal. And it's an amazing journey you're on and I'm glad that you're an example at 78, without inflammation, without that pain, flexible, still thriving and being the example by living this way. How can we best be of support to you? Where can we go for your website to learn about these, the books and the products and all these different things?

• 1:19:19Speaker 00

  Well, theearthinginstitute.net is where we kind of parked all of the studies, links to the movies, links to the book. The earthing book is on Amazon, of course, and it's free when they buy or order any products. The, so the earthing institute is a good resource.

• 1:19:45Lewis Howes?

  Can research all the, all the case studies, all the, everything that's been.

• 1:19:50Speaker 00

  There's 20, 20 some years of research there. Untold amounts of time and money was invested in that.

• 1:19:59Speaker 00

  There's no advertising, it's not political, it's not anything, it's just what it is. And earthing.com is where the

• 1:20:08Lewis Howes?

  Earthing.com?

• 1:20:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, they have products from 29, 39, 69, 99, 199, you can get about anything you want to ground yourself or to ground some member of your family. And on the other hand, in the early days, I remember talking to California Health Services, which is kind of like National Institute of Health Sciences. And they said, "We understand what you're doing, but before you run out there and tell the people they got a problem, they need a no-cost solution and they need a low-cost solution."

• 1:20:42Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:20:43Speaker 00

  Well, I delivered, the no-cost is very simple.

• 1:20:46Lewis Howes?

  Flat side.

• 1:20:47Speaker 00

  And spend as much time there until you figure it out. And if you have chronic things or environmental things, you do need these low-cost tools.

• 1:20:58Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:20:58Speaker 00

  And all they are is the extension cords to the earth. The products themselves don't do anything, except conduct earth energy to your body. So you can lay, rather than go and laying on the grass, you can lay on the

• 1:21:09Lewis Howes?

  That's great.

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

  Ground. So it's

• 1:21:13Lewis Howes?

  Earthing.com, the earthinginstitute.net, we'll have all this linked up. There's a movie, right?

• 1:21:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, the earthing movie is at the, I think there's a link there, otherwise there, you can go to YouTube. There's a bunch of, a variety of videos.

• 1:21:29Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:21:30Speaker 00

  The earthing movie is an award-winning movie, documentary. There was a little short version of it, I think there were like 60 million views, it went viral.

• 1:21:41Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's great.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  And we didn't have enough product, we didn't have anything. So it's intuitive.

• 1:21:47Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:21:48Speaker 00

  This rings true with

• 1:21:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:21:50Speaker 00

  With people.

• 1:21:50Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 1:21:51Speaker 00

  And they go outdoors, the first thing they do after they see the movie, they run outdoors.

• 1:21:54Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  And get grounded.

• 1:21:56Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  Could this be true?

• 1:21:58Lewis Howes?

  That's crazy. Clint, love this. Final question for you, what's your definition of greatness?

• 1:22:04Speaker 00

  I think greatness, you know, it's a personal thing. It's not something that somebody thinks I'm great. It's, I think it's about, wow, I was able to touch people's lives in ways that

• 1:22:25Speaker 00

  Helped or they were better. Yes, like I remember doing one little project that probably touched every home in America. Don't need to mention it, but anyhow it saved people money, you know, the industries and things like that. But more importantly, I was able to have a vision and see the future 20 years ahead of myself. That's been my problem my whole life. But, but I was able to put, pull together data and put it on the satellite, feed it to a personal computer, which all of that kind of filtered into the internet and so on. The internet couldn't be here if we hadn't have built cable the way we

• 1:23:10Speaker 00

  did. So it's, it's not like I was a piece and a part of this, this thing, this thing called life. It's all connected. It's all one thing. And I was a piece and part of it and, and I did good. I think I did good. And I think gratefulness is, or greatness is, I'm grateful I was a part of it or be able to contribute. But greatness is being able to go on your way out and have a smile on your face.

• 1:23:44Lewis Howes?

  Thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's show with all the important links. And also make sure to share this with a friend and subscribe over on Apple Podcasts as well. I really love hearing feedback from you guys. So share a review over on Apple and let me know what part of this episode resonated with you the most. And if no one's told you lately, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. And now it's time to go out there and do something great.