532 The Power of Movement with Ido Portal

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 532 with movement teacher, Ido Portal.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:33Lewis Howes?

  Jerry Seinfeld said to me, if life boils down to one thing, it's movement. To live is to keep moving. Welcome to a very special episode, an interview with Ido Portal, who is a world renowned movement teacher, who has traveled the world, both teaching and studying from a variety of teachers, from osteopaths to manual therapists and medical doctors, to professional dancers, yogis, athletes, circus performers, and fighters. He has studied movement from all angles, from nutritional approaches to movement and health, to functional anatomy and physiology, to methodology of the training process, to mental aspects of movement practice,

• 1:17Lewis Howes?

  and so much more. His workshops are wildly popular, and he travels the world teaching them, as well as training top level athletes like world-class Conor McGregor. And in this interview, we dive in deep. We talk about how he's trained Conor McGregor and what he has over every other athlete. Also, why you must upgrade your passion into an obsession if you want to become one of the best. The importance of being a good student and having an amazing teacher. What it's like training with Conor McGregor and some of the top athletes in the world. Why athletes shouldn't stop practicing their sport when they stop getting paid. The problem with generic working out, and so much more. I think you guys are gonna love this one.

• 2:00Lewis Howes?

  And before we dive in, I want to give a quick shout out to the fan of the week. This is from Kim in Bethlehem, who said, "Lewis, I've been listening to your podcast every single..." Day since seeing you during your last appearance on Ellen. Your podcast has created a fire inside of me that has caused me to realize what it is I want and how to trust myself to make it happen. I absolutely love hearing everyone's story and applying their words of wisdom to my own life. It has given me the confidence to move forward in a way that I've never been able to. Thank you. So Kim, thank you so much for your review over on iTunes. And if you want to get a shout out as a review of the week, make sure to leave us a review over on iTunes. Just type in School of Greatness.

• 2:43Lewis Howes?

  Movement is the key. If we stop moving, we start slowly dying. This is a powerful one. Make sure to share it with your friends, tag me on your Instagram story. Take a screenshot of the podcast app right now, wherever you're listening to it. And at portal dot Ido and let us know what you thought about this episode. It's a powerful one. We get into some deep stuff, especially in the 15 to 30 minute mark. And without further ado, let me introduce you the one, the only Ido Portal.

• 3:12Lewis Howes?

  Welcome everyone back to the School of Greatness podcast. Very excited about our guest Ido Portal is in the house, my man. Very excited. Thank you so much for being here.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Thank you very much.

• 3:22Lewis Howes?

  Now you are based in Israel. Is that right?

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 3:27Lewis Howes?

  Not really.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  No, yeah, I'm moving around.

• 3:28Lewis Howes?

  You travel all over the world.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:30Lewis Howes?

  But you have a facility there, is correct?

• 3:32Speaker 01

  No, it's not my facility.

• 3:33Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  It's my students' facility, but we, those students are very close and almost like family. And we own and kind of operate facilities all over the world.

• 3:44Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  That's one of them.

• 3:45Lewis Howes?

  All right. Amazing. I just watched the documentary that Brian did from London Real about your story and you know, kind of this movement that you're creating and that you've been a part of. So it was really fascinating to watch and we'll have it linked up in the show notes. Make sure you guys check this out. Really cool. But you've been doing movement your entire life, right? You started in Capoeira when you were a teenager and I saw the videos of you. You were like a little ninja doing all the stuff you were doing and. And then in the documentary, it talks about you traveling the world, seeking movement, learning how to move from different experts all over the world. Is that correct?

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:19Lewis Howes?

  Who were some of the, or some of the practices that you practiced in? And where did you travel to to learn these, these styles?

• 4:26Speaker 01

  And originally, it was within martial arts, just looking for a different perspective inside martial arts. And then in capoeira, kind of more pinpointed, I traveled many, many years to Brazil and brought also teachers from Brazil and learned from them. And then it kind of broadened out into other fields of movement, yoga, somatics, gymnastics, anatomy, physiology, training methodology, nutrition, and on and on and on and on.

• 4:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, wow. When did you, why did you get into capoeira in the first place? What was it about that art or movement style that made you fascinated and wanted to just master it?

• 5:07Speaker 01

  It was kind of a weird thing where I didn't really, I wasn't really attracted to it so much.

• 5:12Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was kind of dragged there by a friend. And I was into the, the eastern martial arts and it, all this drumming and, and singing in Portuguese and the weird instruments, it wasn't really my thing. And, and I went there and did a first, first lesson. I didn't think I would come back. And, but then I, yeah, I came back and tried again, tried again. Little by little, I just fell in love with the whole thing. Originally, it was the acrobatics and, which was adding into the martial arts side, which I was already familiar with. And then I stayed because of

• 5:56Speaker 01

  other things. I, I came because of certain things, but I stayed because of other things.

• 6:00Lewis Howes?

  What were those other things?

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Um, it, capoeira is very deep, um, has very deep roots.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  And it touches, yeah, it touches something inside, very connected to tribes and, and tribal feeling and belonging and. Um musicality and certain energy, it has a name in Portuguese, it's called ache. Um that once it's felt, there is. Yeah, it's it's just a new type of experience that you keep on seeking a lot.

• 6:35Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  And that's that was kind of the thing that left me inside capoeira.

• 6:39Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. What was the greatest lesson you learned about yourself through the art of capoeira? And the training you did?

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Um.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, reconnect, I learned many great lessons about community, about my physicality, rhythm, music, which were things that I had inside of me, but I didn't really realize and wasn't exposed to it before.

• 7:03Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  And of course, I be I being a teacher and sharing, uh. Making the cycle complete, being a student that learns and a teacher that teaches and. It's kind of feeding it, feeding both roles feed each other.

• 7:19Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. And what were some of the arts that you went and studied? You went all over the world and what were some of those practices?

• 7:26Speaker 01

  So I started in.

• 7:27Lewis Howes?

  Martial arts?

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, Chinese martial arts and started in Hongqun, in type of Kung Fu. And it was just available in my hometown and trained there as a from a very young age. And then, yeah, I did karate and judo for for a while and um. Got into some other things, went into capoeira and then after capoeira I did boxing and.

• 7:51Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, researched some other things and.

• 7:54Lewis Howes?

  What makes you fascinated with learning about movement? And wanted to continue to to grow and master these different modalities and practices and an awareness about the body? What makes you so intrigued consistently?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Uh, the the question should that should be asked is what makes people not realize? Like, we're all living in a body. How can you not? How can you not? Like, you're living in this temple, you have a physical existence. So how can you ignore it? How can you not have the curiosity to unpack some of that? And how can we not realize that everything that we want is connected to that body? Like, there is no other existence. This Cartesian state of mind is not working. It's not working for us. The existence from the head up, you know? It's over. It's gone. It was a mistake.

• 8:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. What's more powerful, the mind or the body?

• 8:59Speaker 01

  First, the act of separating them by asking the question is already a problem because there is no separation. They are somewhat one. And we keep on discovering that the mind is comprised from the body and the body is comprised from the mind. And there is no isolated existence of each. We keep discovering more pieces in this puzzle. But it's enough already, all that we know, to understand that there is no separation.

• 9:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 9:30Lewis Howes?

  What do you think is your greatest gift to the world?

• 9:35Speaker 01

  I don't view myself as a gift to the world.

• 9:40Lewis Howes?

  The thing you have to offer to the world?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm a teacher. I have some gifts as a teacher. Not so much as a practitioner. I'm a hard worker and I built myself up and developed skills, but I'm not much of a practitioner.

• 9:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  But I'm a good teacher. I've been obsessed with sharing with people. I've been obsessed with unpacking the process and trying to facilitate it and bringing this to people.

• 10:12Lewis Howes?

  What's it take to be a great teacher, in your mind?

• 10:16Speaker 01

  The need, the absolute obsession with sharing, getting the students there, somewhere. And that's really, has to be an obsession. It's not something that you're kind of passionate about. I say sometimes, upgrade your passion to obsession. It's a lot of, a lot of people are teaching because life brought them to teach. So they finished a career as practitioners and they just became teachers or coaches or... But it's not really their inclination from the start. Where I was, I started to teach very, very young.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  And it was something that was screaming from outside of my DNA.

• 11:02Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, just teaching, sharing, bringing people there. It's like, how can you not get it?

• 11:11Speaker 01

  And just be totally involved with helping people understand, get better.

• 11:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Do you believe you have to become a master student before you can become a teacher? Or can you become a great teacher without becoming a master student?

• 11:24Speaker 01

  No, you, you don't have to become a master practitioner. You, you, you has to, you have to be a student. A good student is another skill set. And that is, by the way, more missing than good teachers. Sometimes I see, you know, all these training programs for teachers. And a good friend of mine, Martin Kilvadi, says, we need a student training program, not a teacher's training program. That's more necessary. How to be a good student is, is a skill that is rarely displayed. And I've been working with a lot of people over the last 20 plus years.

• 12:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  So being a good student helps to become a good teacher. Being a good practitioner also helps, but not, it's not one to one correlation here.

• 12:14Lewis Howes?

  How do we, how do we become better students?

• 12:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's about education. It's about being involved with a community. It's about being taught how to be a student. And that's separated from being taught the subject matter. For example, if I'm teaching movement, that's one thing. But I also teach people how to be students. Install the basic communication and ethics and understanding. Something that we're very much missing in the age of misinformation. We're kind of information brokers. We move information around. But when was the last time you met someone who told you like, "I've been a student of this person for the last fifteen or twenty years." It's not so common. And I'm kind of, I'm that guy.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  I've been with my teachers for many, many years. And my students have been with me for years.

• 13:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  It's something that you must practice and you must learn from someone. It's more common, right, in martial arts or in some ancient traditions. You will see less of these ethics displayed in the world of athletics or team sports. But it should be there. A boxing coach is not often regarded as a teacher. But he must be a teacher, actually. And should be respected as a teacher. Sometimes, you know, some eastern martial art master is being given the title of a master. But an old boxing coach is a huge master. Or a handball coach.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  There are masters walking around us and they're so humble. They don't even present it as that.

• 14:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. What would you say is the thing you're most proud of that you've either learned or mastered? What's the thing that maybe you didn't think you were going to be able to conquer that you've conquered or mastered that you're proud of?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  There is a certain humility that comes with the subject matter that I'm involved with and movement it is. And that humility is the understanding that there is no mastery of that. There is no... There is just another layer, another um jump in the ladder of understanding. Um, an increase in complexity, but there, there will be no mastery whatsoever. And that's why master of movement, a title that sometimes people use with me is like so far from the truth. It's not even funny.

• 14:55Lewis Howes?

  So there's no such thing as mastery? It's only a new layer of.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  There, there is no ma, there is no mastery of movement of, of such a complex subject. It's like mastery of life.

• 15:06Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, so many elements.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and there is no black and white thing there anyways. There is no end to the process and that's why I chose it also as a lifetime obsession or um being involved with it because you can't master it. So it's good news, you know?

• 15:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, you can always bring on something new. What's the next thing you want to try to get better at? That you haven't, I guess, uh, acquired some type of level of mastery or excellence at it? Is there a new type of modality that you haven't done? You're really looking to step into next?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  I'm always involved with uh, research all the time and that's what I mostly do. I am, I research subjects and dive into them. It can be sports or disciplines or ideas within movement. Um, concepts, challenges. Um, so I've been like, for example, in the last few years, I've done a lot of work in the field of speed, coordination, rhythm, rhythmicality within movement and how um, how to attack that? How to approach that? I've done a lot of work on a relaxation, a connection and interconnectivity of the body.

• 16:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Uh, these are just some, some subjects and I'm still unfolding some of them. I've, I've done a lot of work within the martial perspective, fighting, combat.

• 16:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm, I'm not a fighter, I'm not a, but I have a lot of interest in the movement side of it.

• 16:31Lewis Howes?

  Right, right. I, you know, I, I think I first heard about you maybe a year ago, a year and a half ago from someone talking about them. They were like, I'm doing some type of training. I think there members, there's, there's video lessons online or some type of course maybe someone had where they were talking about you. And that was the first time I heard about you. I think it was some like handstand combinations and some other movements they were working on. And they'd mentioned you, that's the first time I heard about you. And I think I saw a video of you. Shortly after with Conor McGregor. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. I wonder what he's doing with him. And then the more I watched your Instagram, I saw the videos of him working with you and on his agility, his coordination, his reaction time, all the different things you guys are working on. How did that come about? Did he find you? Did you find him?

• 17:16Lewis Howes?

  And what's that partnership been like, an experience with him?

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, Conor has been following me a few years before we met. Yeah, he's, someone gave him a video and he started to, started to play with that. He was listening to some of the interviews and he was quoting me and people kept sending me like, hey, check out this up and coming fighter is mentioning you.

• 17:43Lewis Howes?

  Before he was really that big?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, way before.

• 17:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  And I had a look and it looked very interesting.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  And then after a while, I did a London Real interview.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  And there was some connection through Brian. And I was shortly after in Dublin and we met for the first time.

• 18:07Lewis Howes?

  Brian made the connection or the introduction?

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, he made the introduction and we met shortly after I was in Dublin. And there was an opportunity. I went in there and we had a session and it was an immediate click.

• 18:19Lewis Howes?

  Really? What was the first session? What did you do with him the first time? Was it some simple things or what was it?

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was him and another UFC fighter, Gunnar Nelson, an amazing fighter as well.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  And we had a session in SPG. They never really did a movement session. And like, like other people, they thought I would come in there and give them some fitness workout or a training. And we went into a practice and it was, I think, yeah, they liked it, Conor especially and also Gunny.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  And we shared, we shared some time and I stayed over and we did, yeah, we did some work together. And then we just have been doing that over the last two years and five fights together.

• 19:12Lewis Howes?

  Five fights. So you would come to like his training camp for a few days or for the whole time? Or how would that work?

• 19:17Speaker 01

  So I'm the weirdo. I'm the outsider there. I'm not, I'm not really like.

• 19:22Lewis Howes?

  You're not part of the team to come in as like the.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm part of the team, but I'm not really part of the team. It's something that is often kind of misunderstood by the general public. And I, I, I'm not a trainer. I haven't been a trainer in a while, in a decade. So I don't have time really to, I can't be there. I have a big business and I have my passions. And so I come in and I sprinkle and attack some ideas with people who are actually willing to continue to unpack them further when I'm, when I'm gone. And then I, I give this potent stimulus and I leave and I let evolution, growth happen.

• 20:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  And it works extremely well with Connor because he's, he's the obsessed type. And once he hears something and it clicks in his head, he, he will just keep digging at it. And, and, and that's what we've been doing. So I've, I've been coming in for a week, 10 days, giving a few sessions within the big schedule and picture.

• 20:28Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure. Kind of the, the beginning of the training camp and then you'll leave and he'll keep doing the sessions with his coach or whoever else is implementing your teachings, right?

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:38Lewis Howes?

  Right. That's powerful. What's that like working with him? You know, with someone who's as obsessed as you are, it sounds like with digging in. I mean, it sounds like exactly like you're, you've been your whole life. What's that like being around someone who's at the top? You know, he just finished the, the Mayweather fight, uh, which you were at, I'm assuming, right? Yeah. I saw a photo with you there and it was unbelievable to watch here. I just, I watched in the other room and it was amazing to see him. You know, winning for the first few rounds and be with the greatest of all time. Until obviously fatigues sit in, but he was, you know, he took a massive risk to take on a new skill. Without really never doing it before against the best in the world and stayed with him.

• 21:24Lewis Howes?

  Which I thought was fascinating and I was pulling for him the whole time. Um, but what's it like being around that? What's it like being around someone who's such a? Risk taker, but also obsessed with his training and a massive personality, you know, very uh. Uh polarizing personality.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, so there is so many layers to it, uh, right? Um, first, it's, it's, it's a lot of fun. There is a lot of fun involved. It's not. It's not stressful or, or, uh, you know, heavy. Even in, in very stressful times.

• 22:04Lewis Howes?

  He keeps it fun and light or just?

• 22:06Speaker 01

  He keeps it fun and I keep it fun and, and there is a lot of, um. Lightness. You know, things are heavy as it is, but learning to lighten them up and, and to keep it playful. Is so important, right? Especially on that high level.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  As things are already, yeah, on your shoulders.

• 22:30Lewis Howes?

  A lot of pressure.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of pressure.

• 22:32Lewis Howes?

  Stakes, yeah.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. So.

• 22:34Lewis Howes?

  So he keeps it fun, he keeps it light.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  It keep, it keeps it fun, it keeps it light. Uh, he. He tries to go for it. He tries to improve. He tries to listen and to take those things. And then there is like a lot of other things around. The, the, the media and the lack of time and the stress of so many different factors you're involved with. And this is less my cup of tea, like.

• 23:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm, I'm there to support him. I'm there on a personal level as a friend to support him and as a teacher and someone who shared with him. And I also learn a shitload from him, from the scenario. Um, yeah, so there is all these different layers.

• 23:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. What's the big lessons you've learned from him?

• 23:23Speaker 01

  He's a unique character, right? Like everybody, first, what you see is what you get with Connor. Like he's, he's that guy. There is nothing, there is nothing played, it's not acted or it's not played. And at the same time, you don't get to meet that persona on, when you are close all the time. It's real, it's part of him, but there are other parts of him. The martial artist, the student, the friend. So you get to meet other layers. You, you, you don't get to meet that, you know,

• 24:02Lewis Howes?

  Personality.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Personality all the time, but it's, you definitely know that it's there, it's real, it's him. There is no act, there is no script, there is no, it, there is no, yeah, it's, it's just unfolds in real time, in reality. And, and what is there is what you're gonna see. You can have glimpses of that after a loss.

• 24:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  And then you can really see it. For me, it's, you know, it's a, it's actually an incredibly powerful moment and inspiring moment to hear Connor talk after a loss. And I've, I've been in two losses, yeah.

• 24:41Lewis Howes?

  It's amazing, actually, when he's got this huge personality, this confidence, ego, whatever you wanna call it, this, you know, outgoing personality for months leading up to it. Um, some would have, you know, say, obnoxious at times or whatever they would wanna say, right? Or unprofessional or whatever they're saying, but the way he loses is what inspires me about him. Because he has such respect and humility and this is part of the game and this, this happens and I'm gonna win like a champion, lose like a champion and move forward and working. And that's what I love to see. Um, because if he didn't lose well, I don't know if I would like him as much.

• 25:23Lewis Howes?

  But the fact that he's like, has so much respect and for the, for the person, the sport, the craft, the fans, everything, and his lessons or whatever, or what he learned in that moment is for me inspiring. Yeah. Um, what would you say is the biggest thing you've learned that he's taught you personally? It's been what, two, three years now, or has it been?

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, two years, two plus years.

• 25:46Lewis Howes?

  Two years. What do you think is, how have you grown personally from that interaction?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, there is all this thing about self-belief, blah, blah, blah. Everybody, everybody talks about this and

• 26:03Speaker 01

  yeah, he definitely believes and, and there is power to it and I, I, I don't think it's, I don't think it's that fundamental to what Connor is doing and how he's doing it like. Uh, the, the same with the trash talk, you know, people like give it too much credit. Yeah, he's a good trash talker. And yeah, it, it can play into people's heads, but a lot of people who are close by and are like involved, they know that even if he wasn't a trash talker, he would have done similar things, you know, in very similar ways. Um, for me, he's, um,

• 26:43Speaker 01

  the warrior side of it is interesting, like Connor is, has that, that side to him, like he, he looks at, he looks at difficulty in a different way. And even nowadays when comforts are there, offered and available and

• 27:00Lewis Howes?

  Private flights and

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, private flights and all this, but he will still say something like, you know, this is a great facility, this is an amazing facility, but there is also power in some, you know, poor, dripping, useless facility. And he, he would all the time kind of reconnect with that and with the past and with the ability because as fighters, you are constantly faced with that discomfort, you know, s-

• 27:32Speaker 01

  you know, some would, some-

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Two hundred and twenty pound, a hundred kilo guy sweating into your eyeballs, you know.

• 27:40Lewis Howes?

  With blood.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  You know, just this, it's such a raw scenario.

• 27:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  And then at the same time, you drive around in Rolls Royce.

• 27:50Lewis Howes?

  Right, just comfort, this niceness, yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I actually think there is something very healthy about this combination. Where in other, in other sports, maybe it's easier to lose perspective.

• 28:02Lewis Howes?

  You're making so much money, you're getting, everything taken care of, first class everywhere.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 28:08Lewis Howes?

  Everyone giving you everything, you don't have to work for it anymore, yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I think this is an inspiring side. And something that is powerful and important. And how, how to deal with the altercation with some, someone wants to kill you on the other side, you know. A loss, what is a loss, you know, I've said it before. Looking from outside, you lose in basketball, it's hard, you lose in basketball. You lose in MMA, somebody, if there was no referee.

• 28:43Lewis Howes?

  They could have killed you.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would have been dead. And to move on from that, it's a different thing. And actually, maybe there is no moving on from that. Maybe, maybe that's a wound that you'll keep digging into for the rest of your life. And I truly believe there is some angle to that within fighters. Like, you never overcome the losses, it's more patches. And it's a tricky game. The self, when the self-worth is, is connected to fighting and winning in fighting, it's very hard to feel self-worth from other things. It's so potent, I see it. Retiring is difficult.

• 29:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  It's maybe impossible.

• 29:27Lewis Howes?

  So hard, because then you get all of your self-worth wrapped around in this sport or this craft, right? And now it's no longer there, where do you get, find joy and happiness? I see this with a lot of football players. They retire, they go through extreme depression, it doesn't matter how big they were. This is, you know, in the US, American. Football players have committed many suicides within a few years after retirement just because they don't know what to do with the rest of their life. And they were a hundred thousand screaming fans and now no one cares.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, to move on from the craft, you you're pointing at one thing that's very hard, but here there is another layer. Like first, why would you move on from the craft? That's already a problematic practice. So it means like you play football, why did you even start to play football? For money? Wrong reason. So, why do you stop when the money stops? Shitty practice. Well, actually shitty environment to conduct yourself in as a practitioner.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Then dancers, you dance until you can't make money off of it, or you keep dancing until the day you die. I was like, what's what's the right thing? Martial artist? Okay, you stop fighting, but are you, why would you stop to be a martial artist? It's not a good life practice.

• 30:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  It's not a human practice. It's professional sports. They take it to the extreme and then what you see afterwards is like some ex gymnasts becoming a businessman.

• 31:03Lewis Howes?

  And and and And stop moving or whatever.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and stop moving and then he tries to transform the lessons that he learned there. But it's very problematic because those lessons were not about craftsmanship. They were about winning. They were about, and winning is a shitty orientation. It's not, it's not because ultimately in this game, we all lose.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Like this game, you're going in one direction. Right now, you're moving there on this rotating rock.

• 31:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  You're moving to death. You're gonna lose. You're gonna lose everything. You're gonna lose everything, even yourself. You're gonna lose it. So how can winning be really, you know, an orientation? To unpack ourselves and to to explore. So I think in fighting, um, the act of like winning, losing is is the problematic side. And actually, the practice, the craftsmanship, to go into battle as a practice and to test, to try, to put yourself in in in front of hardship. That's the that's the good stuff. And I'm I'm I'm trying to kind of be focused on that because I'm less about that side of winning and losing.

• 32:20Lewis Howes?

  Sure. Where do you find uh your fulfillment and happiness the most?

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Curiosity, discovery, um.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Me, yeah, demystifying.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  To face in to face a mystery and to understand something about it and to make it mundane again.

• 32:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  You know, and that's that's that's what I'm passionate about.

• 32:49Lewis Howes?

  Do you have any fears?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  A lot, yeah.

• 32:52Lewis Howes?

  What are the biggest?

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Fear of everything, everything that I do is like oriented from fear, you know.

• 32:59Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did like from young age, I went into capoeira and I started to do acrobatics. I was very afraid to fall, where other acrobats, kind of same level next to me, they had a lot less fear. Everybody got fear, but mine were disproportionately big for for my practice. And then like fighting, fear of fighting, fear of heights, fear of fear of water, fear of like, yeah, just like I have a lot of fears.

• 33:31Lewis Howes?

  Really? What would you say is the greatest fear? If you had to choose one?

• 33:36Speaker 01

  Fear of maybe exposure, fear of weak of exposing weakness. You know, being exposed as a weak person.

• 33:45Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:46Lewis Howes?

  In what ways? Weak mentally, emotionally, physically?

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, just generally, yeah, yeah, weak, incapable, un un, you know, I I've I've worked hard at at those things from fear of being exposed in that way and try to improve upon it and and yeah.

• 34:07Lewis Howes?

  Why do you think you're afraid of those things?

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's uh. I'm not sure it's related maybe to something in childhood, maybe some experiences of. Um, some things, I'm not sure. It was something that was always kind of in me.

• 34:24Lewis Howes?

  This fear.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, this fear. Be careful, like you're weaker.

• 34:28Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  So, don't first. Hide it and second like work hard at it.

• 34:36Lewis Howes?

  To master it or overcome it or?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, to to try to get better at at it, yeah, be stronger.

• 34:42Lewis Howes?

  What do you think it's gonna take for you to let go of that fear?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  There there is no letting go, like there is. Yeah, over here in Cali. Um, there is a lot of, uh, there is a lot of like black and white um simplifications, oversimplifications. There is no letting go. You'll never overcome fears, like it's. You will maybe develop a healthier relationship, the dosages, the how much, yeah, but less. But it it will always be there because if it's not there, something is wrong and you can't operate. Fear is part of the basic mechanism of how you deal with everything around you. And I have a friend who is a stuntman and a rigger in Australia.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  And he has questionnaires regularly when he goes to to get a job and they ask, uh, do you have fear of heights? And he's the only one who writes, yes. And then they're kind of like, they come afterwards, they take the papers and they ask him like, how can you have fear of heights? You're you're you're stuntman, you're a rigger, you work in heights all the time. He says. Yeah, and the fact that I'm still here and successful is because I have fear of heights.

• 35:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Like I have a certain fear of height. Um, so I think that's that's more honest and bravery and like this courage is. Really not the absence of fear, but it is the management of fear. It is available because or else what is courageous about it, you know, there is no fear, just do it.

• 36:15Lewis Howes?

  No courage, yeah.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  There is no courage then, you just just go. But to master yourself, to, you know, to shit your pants and yet go out there. And do things and act. So the doing is the actual bravery here. It's not the feeling of fear.

• 36:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. What do you think Conor's fear is? Because he, it seems like he loses with grace. Uh, what do you think his fear might be?

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Uh, he also manages himself within those, those perspectives. He also attacks it. He also doesn't want to be exposed or he also wants to, he feels the pit in his stomach, you know, like everyone, and he tries to control it. He talked with me about it many times in a very honest way. It's a very, it's very powerful to hear it from, from him. Um, not, not as a, you know, superstar, but more as a guy who deals with it regularly. You know, he talked about it in interviews, how he, he used to come in and, and, um, he used to be, you know, bullied in the street.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  And, uh, he used to feel that pit in the stomach and said, I don't want to feel it anymore. Um, how do I deal with it? And then he went to martial art and he had sparring days, days where you spar. And then he felt it again. He said, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, here it is. Now I have a process how to deal with it. And then he used to go into those sparring days as if they were real, you know, fights. And then the sparring days don't deliver that same fear again. So then you go into competition and then you get, and then it's scary again. And then you go beyond it.

• 38:03Lewis Howes?

  You go bigger competitors and yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you keep pushing that envelope and you become courageous by, by your act. You know, sometimes I'm baffled by the talk that people just comment, you know, comment online, talk about things, uh, about these people who are, they are doing such, they are attacking their fears so regularly, like how can people even begin to write such words about these people, you know, that, that people?

• 38:41Speaker 01

  People who don't sit behind the keyboard, you know, and write shit that they about people. If they meet them in person, you know. It's just, it's ridiculous. The situation is ridiculous. There are no for, there are no experts in this forum. The forum has become open. Everybody's an expert. So it's like it completely disregarded the act of receiving any feedback from it. Online feedback, talk backs, comments is done, is gone. Is, I have no use of it. I don't, I don't use it. I don't read it. I, who are these people? They have no, nothing. They have no, no skin in the game. No skin in the game, no involvement, as, as Nassim Taleb calls it, skin in the game.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  The first thing that you need to have, if you even want to comment or, or talk about this subject, you know, if you don't.

• 39:33Lewis Howes?

  Don't say to me.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, something, something stinks, like politicians without skin in the game. They're, they're actually not affected by their acts, many of their acts, they don't, because they're rich, they're out of the game. So there is a problem and then the game goes rotten.

• 39:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, well. What's the question you've always wanted answered that you haven't figured out yet?

• 40:03Speaker 01

  The question that I always wanted, well, one of those questions is what are the fundamentals? The basics of a movement.

• 40:17Lewis Howes?

  What are they?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  No one knows. There, there are no, there, there is, there are some ideas. There are some steps I took at it and others over, over history. Um, but no one really knows. If somebody presents fundamentals of it, he is a bullshitter. Is, is not a real practitioner. It's, what are the fundamentals of living a good life? What, you know, there are articles, the seven things, the five things, the 11 things.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Wisdom is not there. There is some instantaneous realizations and maybe it can help certain people in certain places, but it will also harm them. The oversimplification will also create a problem. But with the attention spans of people, like you, you just keep feeding them that thing because they, they don't pay attention. It's hard to grasp and they move on. So there is this snowball, you know, of the whole thing. So the fundamentals of a good life, fundamentals of how to live our lives, how to, how to move better, not, not to box better, not to play handball better, not to play basketball.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  What are the fundamentals, the basics that will enable me to control everything to a good level? And that's something that I've been obsessed with over the last decade.

• 41:47Lewis Howes?

  For the, you know, the general human being, let's say in America, who most of the time sits at a desk, most of the day on average, what would you say they should be focusing on the basics every single day? If they had 15 minutes a day to do certain things of movement and obviously, and they weren't able to come to one of your classes or anything like that, but you said, okay, here's what you should be focusing on, what would be kind of the, the basic principles that you would share to anyone listening or watching online?

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, the most common question I'm always asked. The real answer is education. So you can do one thing, devote in education because there is, this is the only way to even get you in the right direction, you know, like first is like, don't ask me that question. That's the first thing, like, and it's true.

• 42:39Lewis Howes?

  What should I be asking you?

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, so actually you have to, it starts from the realization, we live in a body.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  It's done, it's given. You can't change it. You can't change it. Your existence is within a body. That's what we know, that's what we have right now. Okay, second question. A second thing, second realization. You're in a body, you must move. You don't have a choice. I like to move, I don't like to... No, it's how well you move. But move, you shall move. Whether it's moving in a chair, breathing, pumping blood, moving lymph, moving words, moving ideas, moving fingers, moving the spine. So, third realization.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Better learn how to do it well, because it's such a big piece of your life. And it affects the quality of your life. It's the most underrated factor in quality of life nowadays. Movement, physical movement. It's like, it's money, relationships, good sleep, good food. Those are important things. In the right balance, too much money, we know that you move away. You have a problem. Too much, eh, eh, too many relationships, it's hard to juggle. There is a problem. There is a certain amount that each of us should eh... Can manage. Yeah, can manage and operate with. And movement, too much movement is also problematic and too little is problematic. And what type of movement?

• 44:14Speaker 01

  And so it's like educating yourself about that. So that's the real answer. But now, let's also give something. Yeah. Give something physical. So I've been actually teaching people non-fitness related things, recommendations. First, I don't tell them to work out or to train. Because if you're training with the wrong movements, that's not gonna help you either, right? That's also true, but it's not what I mean. The training idea, the training concept, the workout, I'm gonna work out now. It has a problem. It's eh, because you are not now in relationship with your body constant 24/7.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  You're kind of like, okay, I'm gonna do this three times a week. Yeah. And that's not actually... The redefinition of our physicality, the paradigm shift that I'm aspiring to have. It's like, we are living in this body. It's like, so within this chair, these constraints, and within my daily life, and my workstation, and my relationships, and my children, and my dog, and the way that I go to the bank, I want to redefine physicality and experience it in a different way. So what I help people with, I've been promoting, one is a squat, to squat regularly, to fold the legs. It's just like so simple.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  You have these joints. Most people, they never fold it all the way. So they never fold this joint, never this joint, never this joint. So what happens is, shit happens. You literally, literally also, like, you're gonna have problem with digestive issues, because you don't fold this. We are, we are, we have evolved to eliminate in this position, to spend large portions of our day in this position. We have knee problems, we have back problems, we have ankle problems, we have digestive issues, and some of it is like huge, related to it. You think it's because we're not bending and folding? Yeah, we're not. There is this foldability to the body.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  You're not working it, so you don't use it, so you lose it. So like, sitting in a chair and having my legs in, even in 90 degrees, no good. Like, I need to, I need to squat, I need to bend my legs deep, and I need to kneel, I need to do all these things, and to keep my legs even healthy, functional. You know, just like basic. So this is one thing that I started to recommend people years ago. And it made its wings, and it became very popular. A lot of people became involved. I got received like thousands and thousands of thank you notes. People pre-surgery that never ended up doing the surgery, or just stories of people just like improving the quality of their lives. Just folding their legs.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, but instead of, again, recommending like, do these squats three times a week. No, I said, no, no, no, no, no. Go down into the squat and just, just spend time. Five minutes at a time? Yeah, five minutes is a lot. No, start with 30 seconds. But do it throughout the day, so you start to kind of... Condition those those tissues and and that's again not a training concept because it's throughout the day and when you're talking on the phone and when you're waiting for someone.

• 47:40Lewis Howes?

  Every couple hours just go down for thirty seconds and.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Every couple of hours.

• 47:43Lewis Howes?

  Do it five, ten times a day, thirty seconds.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:46Lewis Howes?

  For a month and what do you think that would do for someone?

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would do a lot of things, especially it it can go to many different directions. It can affect like neck problems that you've had years and it it's so far from the neck, of course.

• 47:59Lewis Howes?

  But everything's connected.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, so like we we say it a lot, like everything's connected, but you know, we don't really think about it like I'm pulling on the shirt here, every atom on the shirt is affected. You understand like so when I'm squatting, it's everything, yeah, and and we like to kind of hang on to the current trend for like, for example, fascia. So, yeah, the fascia is affected, but everything else, neural nerve, tissue, eh eh, blood, blood vessels, you know, since you're constricting certain eh vascularities there, you would get adaptation. So being in in a deep squat for long periods of time would improve the endurance of the

• 48:44Speaker 01

  legs, the clearing.

• 48:46Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't have any research to back it up.

• 48:51Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Besides my own, yeah, my own personal experience and that of my students, but it makes sense because you're limiting, you're restricting blood flow, so the body must clear the byproducts. I've spent up to four hours in the squat.

• 49:04Lewis Howes?

  Four hours in that position?

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:05Lewis Howes?

  Heels to the ground or toes up a little bit?

• 49:07Speaker 01

  No, no, no, eh, flat foot.

• 49:09Lewis Howes?

  It's hard to be flat for that position for me.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it it will improve, it will improve. I've done, I've done all kinds of experiments and it's definitely not necessary nor healthy, eh, but I've I've spent up to four hours there or.

• 49:21Lewis Howes?

  Four hours?

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I I I I went down with ninety kilograms, two hundred pounds for five minutes, spent like five minutes there.

• 49:29Lewis Howes?

  You're like a ninja, man.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Eh, no, it's, no, I'm just, I'm, I'm just obsessed and regularly, eh, there is no, no real gifts involved, it's, it's just eh, hard.

• 49:39Lewis Howes?

  Practicing.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  I linked into his book a few years ago, started this hanging challenge. Twenty thousand people from around the world went, went online. It became much bigger than that. It went everywhere. You hear a lot of fitness authorities mention it. Some of them don't even know Where it came from. Where it came from, or, and I hear it like some people who really dislike me and my work, but they kind of recommend it from, you know, from another perspective. But it's all good, as, as long as it works for people. And, and that will do a huge things for shoulders, elbows, wrists. It would do a lot of stuff for the lower back. It would do a lot of stuff for ribs, all kinds of issues with the ribs. You just, you take gravity and you tell her, okay, align me. Right.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  It's so simple, like just hang, relaxed, and, and you tell gravity, like, okay, forget about the chiropractor. Chiropractor doesn't know as much as gravity. Like, we're living on this, this earth. So just allowing gravity to do its thing, it's huge. Of course, it's much harder than to squat. Harder to hold. So then we start from seven minutes a day for thirty days, and that's extremely potent. And you start in thirty seconds, forty five seconds. Some people cannot, if you have unstable shoulders, you have to engage in a different hang, more of an active hang. If you have stable shoulders, you can go more passive. Some people need to start with partial hangs, so with the heels still on the floor, touching the floor.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  But again, it's huge. And again, it's not working out. It's not doing pull-ups. Pull-ups will not... Just hanging. Yeah, because pull-ups will not condition those tissues. The, the adaptation will not go into those specific places that we want it to go. It will not reshape your, your structure in the same way. It will work the muscular tissue. Yeah. Yeah. What about, um, being upside down?

• 54:03Lewis Howes?

  Handstands being upside down, is that something that people should practice or learn to master? No, it's more of a fun thing?

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Well, you know.

• 54:13Lewis Howes?

  It's not as important.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  It's not as, it's not as important. We've been inverting ourselves for a while and some animals do it, like, and it's such an ancient concept, like, can I?

• 54:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  You know, just like a kid, they all try it, right? They place their hands on the floor and it's like, put the head down, can I? It's a beautiful concept, you know, some people say, natural movement, I'm not into natural movement, I'm into all movement. And a handstand is regarded by some not as a natural movement, but let me tell you, there is nothing on this planet that you can do that is not natural movement. It's like, everything is natural, we're living in a body for God's sake, everything is carbon based shit on, on stardust planet, you know? So it's like, we have created these things. And, and we are naturals, hence every, the word natural doesn't mean shit to me, I don't

• 55:06Speaker 01

  use it, it's not, oftentimes it's being kinda, it's being used to describe what I'm doing, it's not, it's not. And handstand is a great movement to do, it's maybe not so basic, and it has some benefits, like you can develop some nice strength with it, you can develop the proprioceptive capacity, vestibular system is challenged, like the inner ear balance. It's a, it's a nice thing, you can play with it and it's definitely, if, if it's available, why not?

• 55:37Lewis Howes?

  Sure. So we got the squat, we got the hang, is there anything else you'd recommend?

• 55:40Speaker 01

  That's enough.

• 55:41Lewis Howes?

  Those two things, if you do those two things, seven minutes a day and thirty minutes a day, for thirty days, you can do both at the same time, you think? Or do one challenge and then the next?

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wouldn't, and that's why I'm saying that's enough, because I can keep going, but just like these books on the bookshelf. People don't read them. Yeah. Yeah, it's so they they want five book recommendations and no, you get one. Do one. Yeah. Do it and then let me know when you're done. Exactly. Do it. First, do it. Once you do it, you feel benefits or you will continue to unpack. Yeah. You will continue to go after it. It's like, this is the modern problem. That's how I deal with it. Too much information. Too much information. So don't add more into the like, be simple, be accurate. Yes, even like giving two of these challenges is a lot. Yeah. Is a lot. Just. We'll delete that part. Yeah, so so if you if you're more, if you have more issues with your shoulders. Uh huh.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  And then I would go more with the hanging. If it's more with the lower body, digestion, digestive issues. And then I would go more with the squat. And if it's somewhere in the lower back, both can benefit. Mm hmm. And but I wouldn't do both together. And definitely like go go for one and then go for the other and. Got it. See what it gives you. What would you say is your vision and your dream? Hmm. To redefine physicality in this way and to to have people start to. Uh, talk about their physicality and exchange about it and develop it. Mm hmm. Movement.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, in a new way, not as a sportsman, not, you know, like you're a handball player, football player. What do I have? I'm a martial artist. Like, what do we have in common? Actually, we have a lot in common. But we never end up like there is no forum for us to exchange. Yeah. And like, I I look at your neck and I say, oh, there's something. What's going on there? Like, why is the neck so thick? Like, what's what's the practice? What's the practice that maybe I can benefit from it? Maybe I have a bad neck and I can benefit from some of the practices you've been involved with. Maybe I can help with that problem that you have in the knee. Hmm. By sharing with you something from ballet.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Classical ballet, but this is not done because we've been separating ourselves. I'm a fighter, you're a dancer, he's an athlete, and we're all human beings. We sit next to each other in the subway without exchanging a word. And the same way in our physical practice, we don't take time to engage, to exchange. So my vision was, let's use one terminology, not just different terminologies. One terminology, that one language that everybody can talk. Let's create forums of mutual interest. Let's practice in an open way.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  So all the specialists can exchange, but then there was a new thing created. These hybrid practitioners who are interested in movement. And that's the movement culture. And those just people who don't want to be athletes, dancers, fighters. They want to experience movement as a concept, as a general concept. And it means that they would be, they would suck at all these different subjects. But they just want the more wholesome, bigger perspective. Just like Conor McGregor is a lot more, has a much wider perspective on the field of combat and fighting than Floyd Mayweather,

• 59:24Speaker 01

  who is an amazing master and specialist in what he does. But he does not have the big map. And that's why when the game is open, yeah, he would not do the same as what Conor did to challenge himself. It would not happen, never happen.

• 59:42Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. So movement culture, what are the fundamentals of the culture that you guys teach?

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Well, we, we, we don't, there are no fundamentals. Like I said, nobody knows. We, we, yeah, we, we are. I'm using. And how does the class or the workshops, how are they designed then? Yeah. You just come up with what you want whenever, or you're just off the top of your head, is it? No, no, no. Everything is very directed and, and we attack and we go at certain things, but without any definite, definite, uh, uh, result at hand or success specifically. Yeah. We, we try to unpack, to demystify, to go into subject and, and share some informations about it and make some, make some clarity. But there is no big conclusions. I got it. You know, I got it. No, I got nothing. Yeah. Got nothing. There's always another layer.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. You, you, forget about it. Like, how many times do you need to play the game to understand? Now you didn't get shit. Didn't get it. Nobody gets it. This game, this reality, what the is this? What is this reality? What's going on here? What are we doing here? You know, like, we don't get it. So stop saying it because that's all only showing me how much you didn't get it, you know, in a way. Whenever I hear it's like, yeah, I got it. I know, I know. You know, shit, you know, jack shit. The people who really know, they'll tell you, it's complicated. It's complicated. Yeah. And there, there is some, some understanding involved with it.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  And so what we are doing is we are attacking different subjects and we go into a place inside the big cloud of movement. Because there is no one entry door. So we just step into the cloud and we attack specific subjects. Like for example, um, uh, we go at the subject like coordination. And I expose some drills, exercises, scenarios.

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  Games, challenges, and we try to see what can we learn about this weird concept? Or we go at a tactical game, like a fighting game. Or we can go at strength development. Strength is a concept, you know, not not defined by one specific practice, like I'm strong. One moment you're strong, another moment you're the weakest person there. You know, it's like you you will meet a gymnast, you will feel extremely weak in the perspective of gymnastics. But the gymnast will meet you in collision. Oh, that's a bad day. It's a bad day. So like, strength is not one entity.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  And we keep on kind of simplify, you're really strong, people tell me you're really strong. You don't know what I am, and you don't know in which scenario. I'm also extremely weak in all kinds of areas, you know. So we we just attacked some of these subjects. And we and we go at it and we discover some things and we really practice hard. Like, it's it's not just an open thing where you're just like floating around in a hippie way.

• 1:02:53Lewis Howes?

  You create a context, you create a container, a challenge, you tag it for a period of time, and then you move to the next challenge.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  And that thing is like the beautiful part of this practice, like, okay, let's dig at this subject. You really go at it, you're fully involved, and then you kind of disconnect from it and you go to a different perspective.

• 1:03:13Lewis Howes?

  When someone when someone takes on a training method in this way, as opposed to a thirty minute run or a HIIT workout or a lift or whatever, what's available for them on the other side? Taking on all these different things of coordination to, you know, stick games and tennis ball games and all these other things you guys do, strength games, whatever it may be, balance games. What's available in their lives that's different than just a normal type of training that we usually see at a gym?

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Um, there is, first, there is no better or worse here. There is just like, I think you can bake bread and you can be happy. So, like, happiness is not, is not the orientation of the practice.

• 1:03:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Nor is it an attempt to be better at something besides the understanding of the general concept of movement. And that's what you will get from the practice. You would get more of a bird's eye understanding. Who's who, what's what, when, where, how much.

• 1:04:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  And that would give you something. So it means I can work with fighters one day, one week, and I have an understanding of what's going on there immediately. I'm not good at it. I can't fight like them, I can't fight with them. But I have an understanding of what's going on, what is needed, where is missing. And then the next week, I'll be with contemporary dancers. Next week, I will be with professional acrobats. Next week, I would be with tennis players, soccer players, etc. So there is a general understanding of physicality and movement and how the body operates in, in all kinds of different subjects.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  And then there is a lot of humility that comes with it.

• 1:05:05Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  In, on the level of a practitioner and as a teacher.

• 1:05:08Lewis Howes?

  I'm sure, yeah. Who would you say is the most influential person that you've had in your life?

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  My mother.

• 1:05:17Lewis Howes?

  What's the big thing?

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Which is the very common answer by many people, like they would tell you, their mother. But my mother is something else.

• 1:05:24Lewis Howes?

  What is it about her that has influenced you or the greatest lessons you've learned from her?

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  My mother is a very unique person. She's, everyone that ever met her knows. And she's practicing with us in the movement culture. She comes to events, she's sixty-seven.

• 1:05:40Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's cool.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's an amazing hard worker and very involved. She's, she's also a Buddhist and she, she lives life like no one that I know. Like, she is really, she is approaching a certain mastery.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Approaching, because nobody really masters, but in the way that she lives life, this is what she taught me. Her ability to view reality both in a very real and honest way, and at the same time, very positive and happy way. But it's not the happy peppy way, which is like sometimes disengaged from suffering, problems, complexity of the situations at hand. So I think she's taught me a lot about that. She taught me the power of narrative in our lives. And she works with narrative therapy and does like, what's the story? Like, how actually Lewis is basically, Lewis is a construct, you understand? There is no Lewis.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Lewis is a construct, is a story you keep telling yourself. And others constructed a story called Lewis. It's a drawer filled with meaningless thing alone, but together somehow it works. It's an invisible loop, as Hofstadter calls it. It's a weird self-referential entity. You keep referring to yourself, but there is no other references, you know? Right, right. It's like you're, and this is very powerful to understand. We're just stories. We're just like, so if we are stories, what happened to you truly doesn't matter.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  What you tell yourself happened to you. That's the story. That's the narrative. That's the powerful thing. And by changing the narrative, you change the reality of what happened to you. It doesn't matter what happened. It's like it disappears and it is replaced. And so actually, this is a very powerful lesson for my mother. And it took me many, many years to understand that in her patience, she observed my...

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Childish ways and my black and white, you know, passions and point of view and she allowed me to realize it, but it took many years and I, the more time I spent with her, the more time passes, the more I, I understand how much ahead she were. She is in, in front of me.

• 1:08:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, wow. So she taught you, from what I'm hearing, that it doesn't matter what happened to you in your life, but it matters the story you tell yourself about what happened?

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it, it's hard for people to maybe understand, but

• 1:08:35Lewis Howes?

  I, I get that, I'm just wanna make sure that's

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  It doesn't, doesn't matter what actually happens. So like the

• 1:08:40Lewis Howes?

  It can be a bad experience or a good experience. It's the story you tell yourself.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Yes, but, but it's tricky, right? Because you already kind of, you put a tag on it. So, but by, by observing the narrative and focusing on the narrative, you have more powerful tools at your disposal to deal with it. Instead of like digging at the past, what happened when you were six years old and, you know, what happened in that room?

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  What? I don't know. You know, like, and then you dig at it, you know, traditional psychotherapy, you go there and you,

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  you know, you scratch at those doors and

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  that doesn't matter. What actually? What did I tell myself? And what started to unfold from there? How it affected my narrative? This is something I can work with because it leads to the present moment. So I can retrace the story better than the actual occurrence, which is like a leap. It's a jump. I can retrace the story that I told myself. It's like a breadcrumb trail back to the origin.

• 1:09:46Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So what's the story you want people to know about you?

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  To know? I don't want people to know. I, it's not something I orient myself towards. It's the wrong search in my eyes. Not trying to portray myself. I'm trying to discover. I'm trying to be. I'm trying to be. Yeah, to be, to become, to become.

• 1:10:15Lewis Howes?

  What are you trying to become?

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Um, I'm still working on that. So

• 1:10:21Lewis Howes?

  Figuring it out or?

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Figuring out, yeah, who, who you want, who I want to become.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Existing is a

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Kind of a weird thing where it's like it's a given, but then it's not a passive thing. So it's it's kind of a given, but it's not just you have a lot of say in it, you know? And I think it's it's very powerful. And to go towards who you wish to be instead of who you are today. Like who who I am today, I'm I'm weak, I'm, you know, I'm afraid I have this, I have that, I'm. I'm old, I'm, you know, all these ideas, that's who I am, but who do I want to be? I want to be that person who doesn't mind this, this and that, who goes for this. And yeah, I'm just like, I orient myself towards there. I discover who I want to become and I work on becoming and by doing, by.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  Handling myself in certain ways and I fail and I make the the weak decisions and just keep keep going at it.

• 1:11:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Do you have any routines or practices throughout your day, the morning, whether a mental practice, a physical practice that? Kind of like a non-negotiable or something you like to do on a daily basis?

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's it's all one big practice, man.

• 1:11:40Lewis Howes?

  Constant.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's that's who that's who I am, like I'm the practitioner. So.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  I know you meet a lot of people who are have certain practices, but. I'm a truly obsessed and unique practitioner in that way. Like I've been practicing more than anyone I ever met. I worked with top level athletes, they don't even scratch the surface of how I how much I practice. How much I am involved with the practice, how much I sacrifice for the sake of the practice. Like this is a huge entity in my life, it's every moment. So there are like things on the level of mind, more mind oriented things like meditation. I've been involved with over a decade and there is my physical practice, movement practice and research.

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  And and other human practices.

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  You know, all kinds of practices.

• 1:12:39Lewis Howes?

  Where does your mind go during meditation? I'm always curious about this, where people. Allow their mind to go. Do you think about something specific? Do you visualize something? Do you see yourself outside of your body? Are you mastering a certain discipline or focusing on a discipline? Or what is the mind going during meditation for you?

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  First, what does it matter where my mind goes? Maybe a better question would be like, what's the orientation? What orientations do we want to go after?

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  You know, you've probably been involved with people coming from kind of the field of mindfulness.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  So, let's unpack that. Let's look at it for a moment. Like mindfulness, mindfulness is ridiculous. The problem is that the mind is full. We want to empty the mind. We don't want to feel it. The word itself is already like, what? What are you talking about?

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  It's something that people keep on repeating. They don't even think about. Like, that's the problem. The mind is too full. We want to empty it, clean. Just like, you know, there are soaps for every part of your body.

• 1:14:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Especially women. They have this soap, that soap, behind the ear soap, this soap, the left eye soap. So, what about cleaning the mind?

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Most people just are not engaged with it. They scrub every piece of their body. But, so how do we empty a little bit?

• 1:14:21Lewis Howes?

  How do you empty it?

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, that's a practice. That's a serious practice. And comes thoughts. Our mind is filled with thoughts and ideas. And then you don't think. Don't think of a pink elephant. So, that doesn't work, right? Like, stop doing doesn't work. It's not stop doing, it's undoing. It's something else. And that requires observation and respect of those thoughts. Now, a thought comes in, you say hello, you observe it. And you let it go, and then it goes away, another thought would come. This is the process of like observing your thoughts. And little by little, there would appear a little bit more space there in between thoughts, a little bit more time.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  And this is one orientation, very kind of Zen orientation. Then there are other ways, other access points, like breath. And also action, like very active stuff. So that's another misconception. You know, like flow states, or risk, or danger, or adrenaline. It's like, I'm here, I'm one, you know? Yeah, you're one, because you don't have a choice. You'll die if you're not. So, but that's not a technology for meditation? That's an anti-technology for meditation. It's like, I climbed the rocks, if I make one mistake, I fall to my death. So I'm here, I'm one. That's easy.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Right, right. Try to be one, sitting quiet in your room. That's a different level of practice, that's a different orientation of practice. So actually, the two should not be confused together. Like, I don't meditate, I do handstands. No. You know, when I do a one-arm handstand, you know, I can tell you, I can do the Kali thing. I can tell you. The Kali thing? Yeah, I can tell you, one hand reaching into the future, and the other is still stuck in the past, while I'm in the middle observing. You know, but what? When I'm doing a one-arm handstand,

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  I can think of whatever, games of thrones. And that's why I can do a one-arm handstand. So the actual achievement, the ability to practice it, allows you to be automatic. So is it a technology for meditation? Or is it an anti-technology for meditation? You tell me. It became an anti-technology for meditation. So when I'm doing one-arm handstand, my mind races. When you play football, you might be involved to such a level. So you're involved, but that forces you to be involved. So that's also an anti-technology for meditation. But we are searching for something else. And that requires stillness.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  That requires stopping, stop movement. So my movement practice is supported by my no-movement practice. Really? How often are you still or not moving throughout the day? Every day, every day. How long or how often? Sometime, I've went as far as 15 hours a day. Where you didn't move? Isn't your life about movement? It is. And in order to understand anything, you have to experience its exact opposite. To any high level, like you want to master war, you have to be a master of peace as well. It's like that's another basic requirement. Or else, how do you know the boundaries? How do you know, you know? How do you really, how much you really know the subject matter?

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  If you are, if you're not much of a lover, how can you be a fighter? You know, like it's required. It's required. It's the, that's what they meant when they say yin and yang. They didn't mean for you to crash against the wall with your practice, with your life, and then realize, oh, I need the exact opposite. They meant from the beginning, install both of them, one side by side. Don't do powerlifting for 15 years and then say, oh, I really need to stretch. 15 years it took you, not much of a genius. Yeah. You know, should be installed from the beginning. The opposites should be present from the beginning. And a good practice is not a monochromatic practice. It is a practice that brings in all these realities from the beginning.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  And that's why, you know, the movement practice is such, such a powerful orientation. Because it includes everything. People think it's like it's strength training, it's hand, I do your workout. I thought, which workout? I don't have any workouts. You don't do my stuff for sure. You don't know nothing about me. It immediately hints that, because there is no workout. It's an attempt to connect. But it shows me the distance in concept and understanding. Because there is no workout, actually. There is some- What's it called, programming or? No, no, no, there is no program. There is perspective, it's a perspective. It's a way to look at our physicality.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  It's a way, it's not a way to train. It's a way to look at our physicality. What is, what's the Zen workout? Tell me. Yeah. There is no, there is no. So, so what is the Zen training? It's, it's training, how do I approach reality around me? And the movement practice is very similar. It's more involved with the body and it contains all these different layers, but what's your connection with this, with who you are? So you are this, this big thing. You're not just this brain there, because the brain alone cannot be sustained. And also, you existed before there was a brain. On an embryonic level, you existed before there was a brain.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  So who was there before you had a brain? Who was there? Was there a Lewis? Who is there? So this unfolding from one point of maximal simplicity to ultimate complexity and its reversal back to the source. What is the source? What is this? Who you are? Who am I? This is very much related to the movement practice. Through the body to experience who we are. That's what I am about. That's what I'm doing. And then there are all, all these methods, systems, training, movements. They are there. Challenges, yeah, yeah. Challenges, but they are just tools to unlock-

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  This relationship, you know, and this discovery. And people just cling on to them because they just simply did not dig hard enough to discover. And it's okay, as long as it brings them in, you know?

• 1:21:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  How did I get here? I needed to do in one arm handstands and have a six pack for you to invite. You know, what's going on? But now I'm here.

• 1:21:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  And I'll say my truth, you know? And that's what I've been doing for many years. I've been using all kinds of things. My connection with elite level athletes and, and, and how my body can perform and what skillsets I constructed. But it was all very cunningly done to really portray something deeper.

• 1:21:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Which is maybe difficult to understand, but we come to an age where it's necessary. And people are willing to listen and they come to podcasts like this and to people like you who are facilitators. And they are searching for meaning in their lives and in their existence, in their physical practice, in their relationships. And they just, we need a way, we need a way in. And it's difficult, it's difficult to understand. There is nothing quick about it. There is no instant, there is no microwave here. So that's why we lure them in first and then we sit them down.

• 1:22:21Lewis Howes?

  Tear them down to the basics, yeah?

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:23Lewis Howes?

  How important is and how much have you studied the breath?

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:29Lewis Howes?

  Mastering breathing and how important is that in terms, in terms of all movement?

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very, very important, very important. And there is a lot of, there is a lot there. And there is also, I like to, as you already noticed, to break down some, yeah, some things. So, and one thing that is important to break down is like.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Breathing, it's not necessarily should be taught. No animal learns how to breathe. You know? You, anything that you do well, you never learned from anyone. Including the act of walking. You didn't learn how to walk from your parents. You taught yourself. You never learned how to breathe. And if you never get a single lesson like my father, he never learned anything about breath. He's been breathing for seventy years. And he's fine. Right. This is one perspective. Sometimes undoing is more important than doing. Right. And another perspective, after we break the eggs, and again, the black and white people say,

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  "Yeah, wrong, there is so much in breath and you can learn, you can..." Of course, there is. There is the yin and yang. Yeah. But let's present the other side. The breath is a gate. And you can get a lot through it. You can affect your chemistry, your experience, your state of mind. You can fine tune your reaction, your emotional content, and your activation of your body. Motor unit recruitment, you can affect your relationships with breathing. If you learn, if you have a breathing practice, you have a gate towards things that you think they're out of our control. But actually, we have certain control, we can affect them.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  And I've learned a lot about it from the ancient yogic methods, pranayama, and into, you know, the Slavic methods, the Russian orientations, and the Western points of view, and the martial arts, and the therapeutics, and the somatic practices. I've devoted... You've studied all of it. I've studied, I wouldn't say all, it's never all. A lot. I've devoted a lot of time to it, yes. To the breath. To the breath. And to other, like other subjects, yeah. I'm obsessed, I'm an obsessed reader. I've been reading three, four books a week for the last twenty-plus years. I'm an obsessed practitioner. I've sacrificed a lot of things, I'm not a family person. I've... You're not a family person. No.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  So, I've sacrificed a lot of things to become, to understand more, to discover more. And that's why I know some things, some things... About the subject of movement and breath is a big one. So there is a lot there. There is a lot of discoveries. I've had a lot of crazy experience through breath. On many different, many different vectors and orientations like from ecstasy into, you know, out of body experiences into,

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  you know, visual effects into the like proprioceptive distortions, how like the body is perceiving itself to,

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  connection to death, to connection to birth, like a lot of different things and breath is, is big.

• 1:26:01Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. You, you played with breath?

• 1:26:04Lewis Howes?

  A little bit with Wim Hof. Do you know Wim?

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've heard of course.

• 1:26:07Lewis Howes?

  Have you studied this stuff or no?

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  No, I haven't studied his stuff. I haven't met him. I, I met some people. They showed me some things.

• 1:26:17Lewis Howes?

  You would like him. He's obsessed like you. So I think you would appreciate his obsession with mastering his craft. And I think you could learn something, you know, just like with anyone, you can learn something powerful from that practice. But it's, you know, I'm assuming you've already done a lot of the breath work, but I think if you ever want that introduction, let me know. I'm happy to connect you to him. But he's definitely a one of a kind human being, interesting character who is.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  Looks like a character, yeah.

• 1:26:43Lewis Howes?

  Looks like he is a character, but he has a, a massive desire to support a lot of people through this, his practice, his breathing method. And it's helped a lot of people heal. It's helped a lot of people, you know, relax, have control over certain areas of their mind or a sense of control and freedom, you know what I mean?

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:03Lewis Howes?

  Very cool, man. I want to ask you a few final questions. Actually, I'm gonna let Jen ask a question first. Do you have any questions you want to ask? I'm putting her on the spot, but she asked what books are you reading right now?

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm, I'm reading some literature, things. I'm rereading a few old books.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  Reading a text on neurology.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  And what else am I rea- I have like my toilet book.

• 1:27:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  I have my, uh, before go to sleep book, I have my traveling book, my airplane book. So I'm, I'm thinking, um, yeah.

• 1:27:49Lewis Howes?

  If you could, if you could only, uh, this is gonna be hard, but if you could only recommend three books to people for ever, if there's only three books, you said, here are the three books you're gonna recommend, these are the only ones you could ever give to someone. What would those three be? About anything.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, no way to start to answer that. If, if they, if I know something about that person, I might be able to recommend, like for example, uh, with many of the fighters I work with, I give them, uh, Meditations by Marcos Aurelius. Which is a very powerful book for someone who is in confronted by challenges, big, big challenges, um, or, uh, if somebody is, um, let's see.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  There, there is a, a very excellent read, uh, by Viktor Frankl.

• 1:28:43Lewis Howes?

  Man, it's very charming.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:28:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  It's a very powerful book, very close to our hearts, uh, Israelis and Jews, um, very powerful and it's a book I can recommend to.

• 1:28:57Lewis Howes?

  Anyone.

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  Anyone.

• 1:28:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Like most people can benefit from it.

• 1:29:02Lewis Howes?

  The final one?

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  The final one.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  There is an excellent book for people who are interested with movement and it's, it's related to the word play and culture, and I've been recommending it a lot, and it's the classic homo ludens, uh, playing man.

• 1:29:21Lewis Howes?

  Playing man.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  Playing man, homo ludens, yeah. Um, it's an excellent read about, uh, how play and culture are actually so interrelated, uh, they can't be separated, like, there is no decision whether you like to play or not, you are play, you are a product of play, like, there, there is a necessity to approach things in a playful manner and it's directly interlaced into our being, so, and that's something very powerful, we talked about play and games, sometimes people hear it and they have this idea of like. Oh, this is, you know, play, game, whatever. No, like, there is nothing else. Like, actually, any form of training is a

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  is a, or is a play. It's a play. Animals play before humans were here. Like, so it's like interlaced into nature. So maybe you can relate to it as a, as a sports person, as a player, as a joke. When people meet you, they categorize you, you know. You're, yeah, he likes to play, you know. They have all these ideas, preconceived ideas about you. Actually, businessman, what is the world of business? It's all one big play. And if you try to shove it down, you disregard it, like, it would rear its ugly head in all kinds of ways. So, like, we must play.

• 1:30:43Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure. This is, a couple of questions left for you. We're going a little longer than normal, but I love the conversation. This is called the three truths. I ask this at the end of every interview. Three truths. You've studied with some great masters, teachers all around the world, many different practices, modalities, from your mother to other masters all over the world. And let's imagine that this is the last day for you. For whatever reason, it's over.

• 1:31:17Lewis Howes?

  And you got to share, you had a piece of paper and a pen. You got to write down three truths, three lessons or truths that the world would have from you, and that's all they would have to remember you by. These three things. They wouldn't have any videos or anything else you've ever said. This is it. Piece of paper. Write it down. What would be your three truths?

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  One, it is what it is. Two, it doesn't really matter.

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  Three, disregard everything that is written here.

• 1:31:53Lewis Howes?

  There you go, I like that. Where can we connect with you? Online? What's, if someone wants to learn more, if they want to get training from you, or video content, or come to workshops, what can they do? How can they get access to more of you and your information?

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  We have an online presence and we're an educational body. We offer educational services and we have events all over the world and there are camps held, all kinds of different subjects, some of them are more experienced base or other. And then we have also online support. You can always hit us for that. Very soon, we will be launching a very big revolutionary platform for that, that we've been working for many, many years now. Yeah. So, everything, www.idoportal.com.

• 1:32:45Lewis Howes?

  Portal.com.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, idoportal.com, one word. Anyways, if you know, on the day of Googles, like you just put the word in, you will find it. And, yeah, we are on Facebook, on Instagram. Any, any help that you need from us, you can email our office, [email protected] and we will try to help.

• 1:33:04Lewis Howes?

  Very cool, very cool.

• 1:33:07Lewis Howes?

  Before I ask the final question, I want to acknowledge you for a moment, Ido, for your incredible ability to be a master student. You're constantly searching to master new things and to become a master of your mind, your breath, your body, movement, life in general. And I feel like you're, you have this great mindset approach to living a good life, even though you're still trying to figure out what that means. So I want to acknowledge you for constantly doing things that maybe most people are unwilling to do, for making the sacrifices you do that aren't popular in normal day society, to be such a giver of information and a student of life, so that we can learn how

• 1:33:48Lewis Howes?

  to become better, healthier human beings in this crazy world that we're living in. So I want to acknowledge you for all you're doing, man. It means a lot.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:33:56Lewis Howes?

  Make sure you guys go check him out, idoportal.com, Instagram. You've got a lot of great videos, photos there. I'm always inspired by what you're posting there. I don't know if you're posting that or if it's your team, but it's all really cool stuff. If you want to see him doing crazy one-arm handstands and have a six-pack, you can check him out there too.

• 1:34:15Lewis Howes?

  Is there any question you wish people would ask you that they don't ask you?

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, the entry questions, I think we tackled somehow. And then, you know, like any researcher, you always are inspired by specific, you know, peaks that you are attacking. And those are more reserved for more involved practitioners and people who, and that's really the true passion for any researcher. So I think it's hard to tackle on such an occasion. Yeah, I just would love people to have a thought about, you know, their body and their existence and, you know, acknowledging that there is a need to address our physicality in a day and age where we, a lot of people are moving into the,

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  you know, almost like uploading into some virtual, you know, existence. And we're discovering that doesn't work, actually. Like, there is a problem that we discovered in the gut. There is all these things happening and on our skin, like there is this, you know, biome, this, all these discoveries and the breath and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I think, just would like to leave people with that need and awareness that a lot of their issues and search and needs, really the most internal needs that we all have, this mystery, this big mystery is related to the body

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  and to discovering the body and to work with the body to get deeper somehow.

• 1:35:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. All right, my final question then is, what is your definition of greatness?

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  Probably that would be originality in the purest and the deepest sense. To be an original person, to be genuine.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  Not creative, mind you. Creativity can be used sometimes. Sometimes it's a little bit wankery, you know, like I want to be creative. I want to create, I want to create, I want to be remembered. But to be, in the purest sense, is an original task. It's, and that's, that's for me greatness.

• 1:36:37Lewis Howes?

  You know, thank you so much, man.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  Thank you very much.

• 1:36:39Lewis Howes?

  It's great.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:36:42Lewis Howes?

  There you have it, my friends. If you enjoyed this, make sure to share it with your friends over on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram. Tag me on your Instagram post or your Instagram story @louis howes and @portal.edo. Let us know what you thought about this one. Share it with your friends. I try to reply to almost every tag that I get over on Instagram stories. So let me know what you thought about this. Let's start a conversation over there. And connect with Edo as well and let him know what you thought by just tagging him or leaving a comment over on his page. And send me a message letting me know if you think you are doing everything you can to move more. That you're moving your body, that you're stretching, that you're flexible, that you're bendy. Are you doing squats? Are you stretching out?

• 1:37:27Lewis Howes?

  Are you walking? Are you climbing? Are you putting your body in unique situations to continue to be bendable, flexible with all of life's challenges and adversities that come your way? Let me know if you think you're doing everything you can. And if not, do the 30 day challenge that Edo talked about. Start squatting every hour for, you know, 30 to 60 seconds. And let's see what that does. I'd love to hear you guys' feedback over the next few weeks, how that has impacted your life. Just get up out of the chair, squat, and let me know what you think. I hope you guys enjoyed this one. For me, the older I get, the more I realize I must move. Even though I stopped playing professional football a decade ago, when I stopped moving

• 1:38:09Lewis Howes?

  and adjusting and putting my body through different exercises and constantly tweaking and trying new things, I realized my body started to break down. Since I've been training and trying different workouts and mobility and stretches and just always been Open to moving my body, I feel like I've gotten stronger than ever. So I continue to move and in the words of the funny Jerry Seinfeld, he said to me, if life boils down to one thing, it's movement. To live is to keep moving. I hope you guys enjoyed this and you remember to move today. And you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.